Neglected

[Xenotome493]

Why does America always get the short end of the stick. Sega has always gave Japan the best they have to offer...meanwhile America just get all the lazy and dumbed down versions of everything sega...It's like Sega doesn't care about teh west. What is Phantasy Star like in the west? It's console Limited, It gets server shut downs, it gets no online shops, it's get no real events or DLC's... it's all Japanese favored. America gets the watered-down. dumbed-down, unsupported, lazy versions of Phantasy Star. Even Phantasy Star Collection was "Edited" for US release! If Sega put half as much effort into the western versions of Phantasy Star as it does the Japanese Versions, It could easily be a top game in America. What's going on Sega?

[Nitro Vordex]

:sleep:

[RenzokukenZ]

Sega.

By Japan, For Japan.

[Sayara]

Truthfully, if it even did have full jp version of those games.
It'd probably just as little.

[Kairi-chan]

ITT: America is the whole world.

[BIG OLAF]

ITT: America is the whole world.

Well, I'd say he's also talking about other countries by proxy, seeing as they don't get the titles in question, either.

[MESeele]

As far as games go, aren't there only three or four areas? Japan, America, Europe, and maybe Australia?

[boomadatigger]

Why does America always get the short end of the stick. Sega has always gave Japan the best they have to offer...meanwhile America just get all the lazy and dumbed down versions of everything sega...It's like Sega doesn't care about teh west. What is Phantasy Star like in the west? It's console Limited, It gets server shut downs, it gets no online shops, it's get no real events or DLC's... it's all Japanese favored. America gets the watered-down. dumbed-down, unsupported, lazy versions of Phantasy Star. Even Phantasy Star Collection was "Edited" for US release! If Sega put half as much effort into the western versions of Phantasy Star as it does the Japanese Versions, It could easily be a top game in America. What's going on Sega?

Countries, just like people, tend to look after their own first.

[ashley50]

You'll get used to it.

Aren't FPS's the Top game in America?

[RenzokukenZ]

You'll get used to it.

Aren't FPS's the Top game in America?

Yep. So while Japan gets amazing, and somewhat weird, fantasy RPG games, America gets lots and lots and lots and lots of purdy gunz.

[BIG OLAF]

Yep. So while Japan gets amazing, and somewhat weird, fantasy RPG games, America gets lots and lots and lots and lots of purdy gunz.

Too bad 4/5ths of FPSs released today are generic, uninspired fanservice, made only to cater to the mindless idiots that will continue to buy shitty sequel after shitty sequel (looking at you, Halo and Call of Duty).

I would gladly trade all of that bilge for more Phantasy Star games, on other Japanese RPG games of that nature.

[Outrider]

Too bad 4/5ths of FPSs released today are generic, uninspired fanservice, made only to cater to the mindless idiots that will continue to buy shitty sequel after shitty sequel (looking at you, Halo and Call of Duty).

I would gladly trade all of that bilge for more Phantasy Star games, on other Japanese RPG games of that nature.

It seems really bizarre that you're complaining about the lack of originality in Western games and then demand more sequels.

[Powder Keg]

I wouldn't call all of the games shitty. I mean some of them definitely are, but the main problem is that over 70% of them are not worth $60.

[BIG OLAF]

It seems really bizarre that you're complaining about the lack of originality in Western games and then demand more sequels.

Not sure what you're talking about. When did I demand more Halo or CoD sequels...? I didn't, and never will.

I wouldn't call all of the games shitty. I mean some of them definitely are, but the main problem is that over 70% of them are not worth $60.

^This is actually more along the lines of what I meant. It blows my mind how people will pay full price for the same game with a different number behind the title.

[Kairi-chan]

Too bad 4/5ths of FPSs released today are generic, uninspired fanservice, made only to cater to the mindless idiots that will continue to buy shitty sequel after shitty sequel (looking at you, Halo and Call of Duty).

I would gladly trade all of that bilge for more Phantasy Star games, on other Japanese RPG games of that nature.

I understand the hate for modern FPS console shooters as at the moment the gaming market is jam packed full of them every year. But i don't necessary agree with everything you said either especially about the Halo series, don't get me wrong I'm not a FPS player nor do i particularly like the genre but i have to say i enjoy the Halo games very much even though I'm not very good at them.

Apart from ODST each sequel has had significant changes and improvements to actually warrant a sequel, there were also released with around 3 years apart from each other so they didn't really flood the market with yearly releases like Call of Duty. Each with decent story, awesome soundtracks and updated muitlplayers i really wouldn't call them "Shitty sequels".

The online community on the other hand are a disgrace with racism,disrespect,trash talk,sexism and 13 year old boys raging really put me off playing them but i wouldn't blame the game for that you are just kinda forced to play with friends plus PSP2 has its fair share of hackers and pervs.

So yeah sorry if i sounded bitchy i just can't help and say something when someone bad mouths my favorite games I'm sure you would do the same if people do it the Phantasy Star series.

[Outrider]

Not sure what you're talking about. When did I demand more Halo or CoD sequels...? I didn't, and never will.

RPG sequels. You're asking for more RPG sequels and yet complaining about how unoriginal FPS games are.

(Not to mention that JRPGs are widely-accepted to be in a huge rut, so uh... yeah.)

You are the pot, and shooter fans are the kettle.

[BIG OLAF]

RPG sequels. You're asking for more RPG sequels and yet complaining about how unoriginal FPS games are.

(Not to mention that JRPGs are widely-accepted to be in a huge rut, so uh... yeah.)

You are the pot, and shooter fans are the kettle.

Still not getting what you're saying, as you can't really compare RPGs and FPSs. I don't see how saying "most modern FPSs aren't good" has anything to do with "I'd like to see more Japanese RPGs get localized." But, it's whatever; I can't say I'm horribly concerned.

[MESeele]

I think plot is the integral issue between sequels in shooters and rpgs. It's what makes rpgs that use the same mechanics still bearable, even enjoyable to play.

A sequel in an rpg can still have an incredible plot that serves to expand and strengthen the world. Game mechanics can range wildly between different games in the same series.

A sequel in fps is basically: now kill zombies/nazis/robots/whatever again, only this time somewhere else (maybe), and we'll throw in different weapons (maybe). It will definitely have better graphics (pretty much the only guaranteed change between fps in the same series). Plot is not well known to the genre. Neither are gameplay changes.

My favourite fps to this day still remains Timesplitters2 and 3. They had interesting, dynamic, stylized characters that played on a humourous note. Storymode was also enjoyable, they both had interesting plots and characters that kept things fresh throughout. Most importantly imo, they (developers) didn't take themselves too seriously. (almost) Every recent shooter runs on such a serious tone. I'd say almost to the point of hindering their creativity to maintain the bland world they've set out to create. Obviously this does not speak for all shooters, but I feel it's a fair description of most.

[Outrider]

Still not getting what you're saying, as you can't really compare RPGs and FPSs. I don't see how saying "most modern FPSs aren't good" has anything to do with "I'd like to see more Japanese RPGs get localized." But, it's whatever; I can't say I'm horribly concerned.

You are complaining about how gaming is unoriginal because of unoriginal shooters, but your solution is to bring over more unoriginal RPGs.

[RenzokukenZ]

You are complaining about how gaming is unoriginal because of unoriginal shooters, but your solution is to bring over more unoriginal RPGs.

Its simple; America has too many unoriginal FPS games and too little unoriginal RPGs.

Understandable, yes?

[amtalx]

Yes. More androgynous spikey-haired man-babies will solve everything.

[Outrider]

Its simple; America has too many unoriginal FPS games and too little unoriginal RPGs.

Understandable, yes?

Oh jeez - I always forget the goal isn't to have more original games; it's to have different kinds of unoriginal games!

How silly of me!

[Kairi-chan]

*Sigh* So much hate in the gaming world these days, remember the good ol days when it was just the Mario vs Sonic kids?

Anyway to be really honest im getting pretty sick of sequels in general, i would even go as far to say I'd rather see a new RPG IP from Sega before a new Phantasy star game.

[Shinji Kazuya]

Its simple; America has too many unoriginal FPS games and too little unoriginal RPGs.

Understandable, yes?

Yes! Thank you, SIR! Couldn't have said it better myself, SIR! Europe instead of America in my case, SIR!

[Tetsaru]

I wouldn't mind seeing more RPG's in general, but I don't really see that much of a shortage of them lately, especially seeing how they usually require a lot more playtime to finish. Personally, I'd like to see more 3D platformers - stuff like Banjo-Kazooie, Spyro, Crash Bandicoot, Ratchet & Clank, etc.

And yes, there are way too many FPS games out right now. WAAAAAAY too gawddamn many. If developers keep churning them out at this rate, they'll probably turn into shovelware, like the Guitar Hero games did.

[Shinji Kazuya]

We're getting quite good RPGs soon. Tales of Graces F, Xenoblade Chronicles and The Last Story are some. There's even more like Tales of the Abyss, Solatorobo: Red the Hunter, Dark Souls, etc.
And these are not unoriginal at all. Quite the contrary: they are very original. Graces F has a damn fun combat system. Xenoblade has a great world, great story and great combat system as well. The Last Story has a great strategy style combat system. They are all GREAT! All GREAT all the time!

[MESeele]

Wasn't the original tales of graces riddled with bug and glitches beyond measure and rendered unplayable because of it? Hell, any rpg can be made better if they use the release of the original only as a testbead for improvement :rolleyes:.

[Shinji Kazuya]

Wasn't the original tales of graces riddled with bug and glitches beyond measure and rendered unplayable because of it? Hell, any rpg can be made better if they use the release of the original only as a testbead for improvement :rolleyes:.

Yes, the original one (for the Wii), but that's old news and it has been since resolved. It is now a very good RPG for Wii and for PS3.

[Nitro Vordex]

And yes, there are way too many FPS games out right now. WAAAAAAY too gawddamn many. If developers keep churning them out at this rate, they'll probably turn into shovelware, like the Guitar Hero games did.
No there isn't, there's like one or two. They just have different names.

THAT GAME IS A SPY!

[Tetsaru]

Lol, but yeah, seriously, all the FPS (or somewhat related) games I can think of off the top of my head and new ones coming out since PS3, 360, and Wii came out:

[spoiler-box]
Halo 3
Halo Reach
Halo ODST
Halo 4
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Call of Duty: Black Ops
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Haze
Brink
Homefront
Duke Nukem Forever
Battlefield: Bad Company
Medal of Honor
Team Fortress 2
Unreal Tournament 3
Crysis
Crysis 2
Bioshock
Bioshock 2
Bioshock Infinite
Resistance 2
Resistance 3
Left 4 Dead
Left 4 Dead 2
Borderlands
MAG
Red Steel
Red Steel 2
The Conduit
Conduit 2
Timesplitters 4
Doom 4
Wolfenstein
The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena
Portal
Portal 2
random Tom Clancy games
Fallout 3
Fallout: New Vegas
Metroid Prime 3
[/spoiler-box]

And then you have your THIRD-person shooter related games like:

[spoiler-box]
Gears of War
Gears of War 2
Gears of War 3
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
Grand Theft Auto
Saint's Row
Saint's Row 2
Kane & Lynch: Dead Men
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil 5
Terminator Salvation
Red Faction: Guerrilla
Red Faction: Armageddon
Red Dead Redemption
Alan Wake
Dead Space
Dead Space 2
Fracture
Army of Two
Army of Two: The 40th Day
Metroid: Other M
[/spoiler-box]

So far, all I've seen recently in terms of platformers, both 2D and 3D are:

[spoiler-box]
anything Mario-related
anythng Sonic-related
anything Ratchet & Clank related
anything LittleBigPlanet related
The Sly Collection (old games re-released) & Sly 4
Super Meat Boy (not available on all consoles)
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts (after Rare joined Microsoft)
Prinny: Can I Really Be the Hero? and Prinny 2: Dawn of Operation Panties, Dood! (both PSP only)
I Wanna Be the Guy (relatively obscure and difficult, only for PC)
Terraria (more of a 2D Minecraft clone though)
[/spoiler-box]

[Shinji Kazuya]

Portal
Portal 2

Those two are fun. 1st person puzzle! They are GREAT!

[CupOfCoffee]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't see how having a glut of bland FPS games is worse than having a glut of unplayable JRPG acid trips that are 60% cutscene and 40% attack menu.

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more fun, innovative RPGs pop up, but that's the way I feel for every genre—and eliminating first person shooters wouldn't automatically lead to having more, better RPGs. In the immortal words of Nicolas Cage, "Killing me won't bring back your goddamn honey."

[MESeele]

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts (after Rare joined Microsoft)

*sigh* Rare was never the same after Microsoft had their way with them.

Xbox versions: Conker's multiplayer was butchered beyond all recognition, Perfect Dark 0 was terrible in general, Banjo Kazooie had Banjo replace Kazooie with a wrench for a partner...

At least with Nintendo, Rare could do whatever they wanted (conker is pretty much a testament to that). Sure, Nintendo would glare at them disapprovingly from afar, but that was pretty much the extent of it.

Oh yeah. On topic, on topic... Conker was kind of a shooter right? Platformer/shooter? Damn, I heard that Rare was hopping to make a sequel too; apparently they already had tons of ideas for it, it's just that Microsoft never wanted it...

[Tetsaru]

Those two are fun. 1st person puzzle! They are GREAT!

I agree with you, they're some of the few GOOD ones on that list imo, because they have good innovations and storylines behind them, as well as memorable characters.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't see how having a glut of bland FPS games is worse than having a glut of unplayable JRPG acid trips that are 60% cutscene and 40% attack menu.

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more fun, innovative RPGs pop up, but that's the way I feel for every genre—and eliminating first person shooters wouldn't automatically lead to having more, better RPGs. In the immortal words of Nicolas Cage, "Killing me won't bring back your goddamn honey."

I agree with this too - there are some RPG's out there (along with some other games) where you can't move 10 paces between unavoidable cutscenes or loading screens, and it drives me nuts. And some of the voice acting, both English AND Japanese, is just painful.......desu. ><

Cutting back on FPS's may not necessarily allow other genres to have more releases, but I think it would at least allow companies and developers to focus their attention towards other series that might need a reboot, or something completely new, innovative, and original.

*sigh* Rare was never the same after Microsoft had their way with them.

Agreed. After I saw Donkey Kong Country Returns, I was like, "Where the fuck are the Kremlings??"

And games like Banjo-Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Goldeneye, and Perfect Dark (despite most of those being shooters) were awesome, and I miss them. :( I probably had more N64 games at one point than any other console I've had so far.

[Outrider]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't see how having a glut of bland FPS games is worse than having a glut of unplayable JRPG acid trips that are 60% cutscene and 40% attack menu.

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more fun, innovative RPGs pop up, but that's the way I feel for every genre—and eliminating first person shooters wouldn't automatically lead to having more, better RPGs. In the immortal words of Nicolas Cage, "Killing me won't bring back your goddamn honey."

Honestly, if ever there was a place for [/thread], it was after this post.

There is always going to be that one dominant genre that has some gems and plenty of shovelware.

At one point it was fighting games. At another it was mascot-based platformers. For a brief time in the late 90s, it was JRPGs!

There are always going to be dominant (or at least more popular) genres. It just so happens that shooters mesh well with both pop culture (How many popular movies are shoot-em-ups? Answer: A LOT), as well as gameplay mechanics (Shooters are pretty easy to understand from a pick-up-and-play design perspective).

Don't worry, I'm sure in ten years there will be some other genre that everybody will be complaining about. (Of course, none of us will still be playing games at that point, since gaming will have been taken over by grandparents and stay-at-home moms. We'll have turned to woodworking to fill the void. It will be a hard future, but an acceptable one nonetheless.)

[Nitro Vordex]

I want Rare to come back, so I can see another Killer Instinct. Enjoyed that game way more than Mortal Kombat, which is just shallow fighting and blood everywhere.

[CupOfCoffee]

I agree, Nitro, Killer Instinct was sweet. Not to be confused with serious, of course. Part of the charm was in the roster, which I'm sure we all remember unpretentiously included a boxer, a robot, an Indian, a CIA agent, a skeleton, a raptor, a fire guy, a ninja, an alien, and a two headed... thing.

[Outrider]

I agree, Nitro, Killer Instinct was sweet. Not to be confused with serious, of course. Part of the charm was in the roster, which I'm sure we all remember unpretentiously included a boxer, a robot, an Indian, a CIA agent, a skeleton, a raptor, a fire guy, a ninja, an alien, and a two headed... thing.

Don't forget the werewolf!

[CupOfCoffee]

Haha, crap, I knew I left somebody out! Good old Waburwuuulll. He was my favorite, actually.

[Rock Eastwood]

Wait then what was the fighting game that had the cow in it?

[Bomber The Cosmonaut]

Probably Clayfighters.