Anti-Aliasing/Blocky Post-Effects

[milranduil]

I just recently discovered Nvidia Inspector after doing some searching for which application is best for forcing AA/AF in PSU. Turns out nHancer doesn't work with 2XX driver updates, but Inspector does. I am able to get rid of lots of jagged edges on characters and enemies, but now the glowing edges along weapons look worse...

No AA/AF of any kind:
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http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x72/Milranduil/psu20110726_150210_000.jpg
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AA 4x MS & Transparency 4x SS & AF 2x (specifically look at the right hand side blade bottom edge, you can see the boxy edges)
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http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x72/Milranduil/psu20110726_150609_000.jpg
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For those of you who have experimented with AA in PSU, have you run into this problem? If so, have you been able to fix it?

This will probably get moved to Tech Support >_> but I wanted as many views as possible before that ends up happening...

[Shirai]

For Anti-Aliasing I usually use PSUOBBAA Tool, It's for Nvidia Geforces though.
http://psu.brichan.jp/blog/page/e382bfe382a6e383b3e383ade383bce38388-e697a7e3838fe383bce382b7e383a7e383b3.aspx
The program has an english option in the settings tab

Hopefully, It will fix your blockyness.

[milranduil]

Oh my gosh this did it. Exactly the AA I wanted without post-effect blockyness. Thanks!

[Mystic_Nessly]

For Anti-Aliasing I usually use PSUOBBAA Tool, It's for Nvidia Geforces though.
http://psu.brichan.jp/blog/page/e382bfe382a6e383b3e383ade383bce38388-e697a7e3838fe383bce382b7e383a7e383b3.aspx
The program has an english option in the settings tab

Hopefully, It will fix your blockyness.
Ooh, great stuff! Thanks for sharing. Works amazing, especially on text. AND it works for PSOBB. I'm sold. This software is a keeper!

I must confess, it appears a little TOO soft at some parts. Overall, though, the image is improved!

Here is default:
[spoiler-box]http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/4107/psuobbaatoolcitydefault.png[/spoiler-box]

Here is with anti-aliasing:
[spoiler-box]http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4273/psuobbaatoolcityhighqua.png[/spoiler-box]

[Keilyn]

One of the reasons why AA has problems is because:

Compatibility Mode on ATI cards is automatic and programmed on the software end of things in-games. Nvidia Compatibility mode is only put in patch updates because the share-holders for Nvidia are mostly software developers and specialist, so they leave it up to users to set the compatibility mode and that mode will work on practically any title. (Doesn't mean the title wont crash if you use it)

Compatibility mode for PSU is usually 0x0000F0C1 ^_^

[Nel]

Yes i totally agree

no seriously.. the pics you posted look the same to me lol (me nub \o/)
And i even wear my glasses !! D:

[BlakLanner]

Man, I really wish that would work with my Radeons.

[Resanoca]

Yes i totally agree

no seriously.. the pics you posted look the same to me lol (me nub \o/)
And i even wear my glasses !! D:

Yeah. D: Took me a moment to see the slight ridges on Blocky McGee's skin. D:

[milranduil]

How much of an improvement AA/AF are is much, much easier to see when it's actually in front of you on the screen. Screenshots make it much more difficult to tell.

[Keilyn]

Yes... Think Divide and Conquer

(Def - "divide and conquer" = Solving a larger, more complex problem by solving a simpler, smaller version of the same problem)

Guys, when you do this stuff...Use your player room and the fact you can view yourself by going to your window, turning around and center-viewing...then looking at yourself.

You should see less aliasing on your character and then look throughout your room decorations and countours-edges to see if things are alright.

Finally Start a C-RUN in any map, and see how your weapons look...That should be all you need. Once that is solved you should be able to see anything with good AA/AF without worrying if something is going to break.

[TenebriS]

awww i msut say i would laod it, but i cant open the website/download link x.x

[Ezodagrom]

Man, I really wish that would work with my Radeons.
The Anti-Aliasing option in AMD/ATI drivers for Radeon cards works fine with PSU.

Radeon HD4850, no AA:
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/365/psunoaa.jpg

Radeon HD4850, 4x AA:
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/1018/psu4xaa.jpg

[str898mustang]

The Anti-Aliasing option in AMD/ATI drivers for Radeon cards works fine with PSU.

Radeon HD4850, no AA:
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/365/psunoaa.jpg

Radeon HD4850, 4x AA:
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/1018/psu4xaa.jpg

I see no difference

[Ryna]

I see no difference

Try looking at the floor in the before and after pictures. The effects of the anti-aliasing are very noticeable.

[Mystic_Nessly]

I see no difference
Basically the edges of everything are smoothed so you see fewer jagged lines. It's subjective as to whether it actually looks better or not, though I don't know why anyone would actually prefer an image without anti-aliasing. Regardless, there is a noticeable difference.

If you still are unable to distinguish a difference after viewing the following comparisons, then you need to get your eyes checked (part joke, part serious. haha). ;-)

Comparison 1
[spoiler-box]http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5162/comptj.png[/spoiler-box]

Comparison 2
[spoiler-box]http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8175/comp2c.png[/spoiler-box]

Comparison 3:
[spoiler-box]http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1745/comp3d.png[/spoiler-box]

Comparison 3 ZOOMED:
[spoiler-box]http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/281/comp3zoomed.png[/spoiler-box]

[BlakLanner]

I will have to double check my systems and drivers then. I saw no difference when I set it in the driver. I tdoes work in windowed mode, yes?

[Brichan]

> Compatibility mode for PSU is usually 0x0000F0C1 ^ _ ^
Flags as well as stalker, but listed as Combined AA is ignored.

PSUOBBAATool specify 0x40000243.
Verify that all AA MSAA/CSAA/SSAA/Combined AA/SLI-AA works.

PSUOBBAATool Settings Combined 16xS AA with GeForce GTX 480
http://psu.brichan.jp/blog/image.axd?picture=psuIlluminus_Fiana_MAI_ne_ragnus _LBLaMegid.jpg

PSUOBBAATool, thank you for using.
May have the part difficult to understand the English option is made in machine translation, so please forgive us.


If the go but will fix the English message, please inform us.


Brichan / http://blog.brichan.jp/
This blog is only Japan language.

[Keilyn]

You know what I did? I decided to indulge you.

I Installed a fresh new set of drivers after eliminating the old ones and wiping out any trace of Nvidia on the Registry using your tool. I then clicked on the button for your profile setting for 480 SLI. Here is a screenshot of the main screen.

[spoiler-box]http://www.smashmybrain.com/downloads/psutoolsli.jpg[/spoiler-box]

When I log in, I see the character just fine, but the HUD acts up and only appears if I interact in-game with something. In maps I don't see my health. Here are more screenshot...

[spoiler-box]http://www.smashmybrain.com/downloads/psu001.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[spoiler-box]http://www.smashmybrain.com/downloads/psu002.jpg[/spoiler-box]

This is what I get from simply clicking "Anti-Aliasing high Quality/ for GTX 480 SLI"

Here is a screenshot of the default settings from your own tool

http://www.smashmybrain.com/downloads/psuhslisettings.jpg

I actually know what fixes this, but since you claimed that "everything has been verified that it works" I leave you to get back to the drawing board.

P.S: I know what actually fixes this, but I wanted to let people know that normal "one-click" button push does not work for 480 GTX SLI under Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate Edition.

[Brichan]

You know what I did? I decided to indulge you.

I Installed a fresh new set of drivers after eliminating the old ones and wiping out any trace of Nvidia on the Registry using your tool. I then clicked on the button for your profile setting for 480 SLI. Here is a screenshot of the main screen.

[spoiler-box]http://www.smashmybrain.com/downloads/psutoolsli.jpg[/spoiler-box]

When I log in, I see the character just fine, but the HUD acts up and only appears if I interact in-game with something. In maps I don't see my health. Here are more screenshot...

[spoiler-box]http://www.smashmybrain.com/downloads/psu001.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[spoiler-box]http://www.smashmybrain.com/downloads/psu002.jpg[/spoiler-box]

This is what I get from simply clicking "Anti-Aliasing high Quality/ for GTX 480 SLI"

Here is a screenshot of the default settings from your own tool

http://www.smashmybrain.com/downloads/psuhslisettings.jpg

I actually know what fixes this, but since you claimed that "everything has been verified that it works" I leave you to get back to the drawing board.

P.S: I know what actually fixes this, but I wanted to let people know that normal "one-click" button push does not work for 480 GTX SLI under Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate Edition.

Fum.. what use your PSUOBBAATool Version?
Newest Ver. 1.6.49. this version Online Update Only.

If use older version. Please Launch Online Updater App.

this probrem, Ambient Occlusion Parameter changed GeForce Release 265 or Newer by nVidia.
Quick fix, Set Predefined AO Setting 0x00040000.

Thanks.

[Keilyn]

Congratulations on nailing it right on the head.

I first did a test by testing AA modes and then finding that even at all disabled, except AO on, that AO was the problem.

A question for you:

Does the tool work for different versions of the driver, or is to more optimized towards one set of drivers. Like, what default driver did you test the most with?

Thank you. The tool comes very close to all the manual configuration I did before.....but its better overall since I don't have to profile every single time I am on different machines. I have four machines here.

[Brichan]

Drivers are WHQL and some Beta.
Has basically been confirmed until 280.19 SLI is not everything.
Driver specification changes and bugs if you get weird.
Strange behavior for 275.33、275.50 break the profile during installation. This is a bug driver.
Another 275 drivers are untested.
To fix, clean install, other versions.
Or you must set the profile to 1.6.49 at once, save, and then reconfigure.

[Selphea]

Drivers are WHQL and some Beta.
Has basically been confirmed until 280.19 SLI is not everything.
Driver specification changes and bugs if you get weird.
Strange behavior for 275.33、275.50 break the profile during installation. This is a bug driver.
Another 275 drivers are untested.
To fix, clean install, other versions.
Or you must set the profile to 1.6.49 at once, save, and then reconfigure.

Thanks for supporting English-speaking players too (n_n)

Is there a tool for ATI cards?

I don't like the jaggles on my photon blades ._.

[Brichan]

Thanks for supporting English-speaking players too (n_n)

Is there a tool for ATI cards?

I don't like the jaggles on my photon blades ._.

Sorry, I don't have ATI cards and ATI settings (><)

[dias_flac_0g]

Whoa! AA on PSU? I have to give this a try.

AA has been one of the settings I been wanting the most in PC psu.

Is the program all in japanese or is it in english? Sorry for the dumb question is just that the site is all in japanese so i'm assuming.

Games look terrible without AA so this is a nice treat.

Hmm looks like it is in japanese. Can one of you guys kinda like walk me through it? I would greatly appreciated :)

[Ezodagrom]

Thanks for supporting English-speaking players too (n_n)

Is there a tool for ATI cards?

I don't like the jaggles on my photon blades ._.
The AA from the ATI/AMD drivers works with PSU, no tool is required.
About the jaggies in the photon blades, I don't think those are really jaggies, that's just how lightning element photon blades are, they have a different "effect" than other photon blades.

[milranduil]

Nah, certain AA/AF effects can actually make everything look better with the exception of the photon blades, which actually end up looking worse. You have to find the right combination of effects to make everything happy.

[Keilyn]

Nah, certain AA/AF effects can actually make everything look better with the exception of the photon blades, which actually end up looking worse. You have to find the right combination of effects to make everything happy.

Thats the problem when you stack everything together. Remember that PS2 was designed originally for the PS2. When you force AA on a game it was not designed for, while it looks better it also uses the most bandwidth too since there is no optimization.

I get a higher framerate playing an optimized game at 1080P with the same settings than playing PSU at 1280x720 under the same settings.

I am hoping PSO-2 has some optimization.