The giving tree at long last is withered

[Sayara]

Let me address that I enjoy the abandonment. They do stuff, i decline. I've grown so fed up with all the crap that's been involved with these guys that it isn't even worth the effort to care anymore. Its gotten to that point that being in the same room with them, my hostile nature grows more rapidly. it sucks it turns out this way but you know, after dealing almost a year of just not having trust in your own gf, being back-stabbed by people i never really liked, watching them fight my battle that i wanted nothing more to do with it,
and watching her just waste herself away with others who probably wont treat her like the babying i did for her just makes me that much angrier.

Like, after giving away my life for you. Working harder to be able to help YOU out you're going to call me out and say I'mm never around for you? But some useless jobless fuck who does nothing good with their time is better for you then go ahead. Be my guest and be miserable, without anyone to support you...he can't even support himself, let alone wont probably even support you. It angers me. It angers me so much that i can say so much for her, someone i would surrender my fucking health for so much shit about her... that be it last year i would NEVER think of saying such miserable things. I guess that's what blind faith is.

but i guess that's it. That's what being a giving tree is all about. Make them happy, watch them leave you, like the stump. Useless forever more because of everything you gave them goes to naught. This pain, this anger, it isn't worth it. I want to just go fuck it; but i know i won't keep this promise to myself, i'm far too shallow to not want the thrills of romance again.
Excuse me

[Rock Eastwood]

Hay... c'mon, guy...

This kind of story isn't uncommon among young couples. "She left me for some random jobless scumbag for god knows what reason and says I'M the problem."

You can do better...!

[ARASHIKAGE]

Often when I'm feeling low or angry or taken advantage of. I look up some stuff other people wrote just to step out side my issues for a minute to dwell on it.

"Love is like a beautiful flower which I may not touch, but whose fragrance makes the garden a place of delight just the same." -Helen Keller

"Many people know so little about what is beyond their short range of experience. They look within themselves - and find nothing! Therefore they conclude that there is nothing outside themselves either." -Helen Keller

"People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant." -Helen Keller

I don't know if that helps, kinda preachy but the truth stings sometimes.

"Stay Raging" -Storm Shadow

[Blue-Hawk]

Often when I'm feeling low or angry or taken advantage of. I look up some stuff other people wrote just to step out side my issues for a minute to dwell on it.

"Love is like a beautiful flower which I may not touch, but whose fragrance makes the garden a place of delight just the same." -Helen Keller

"Many people know so little about what is beyond their short range of experience. They look within themselves - and find nothing! Therefore they conclude that there is nothing outside themselves either." -Helen Keller

"People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant." -Helen Keller

I don't know if that helps, kinda preachy but the truth stings sometimes.

"Stay Raging" -Storm Shadow

Actually, the truth of the matter is that love is nothing but a useless and bullshit emotion. A cruel joke played upon humanity by fate. I learned this the hard way myself after the first girl I had used me, the second left me for someone else and the third was a mentally unbalanced girl. That's how I learned these lessons and how I learned to close my black and dark heart to others. And to be honest, I find it better this way. Stay single. I know nit sounds cruel to others but in the long run, you will find yourself a happier person.

Fuck love.

[BIG OLAF]

Actually, the truth of the matter is that love is nothing but a useless and bullshit emotion. A cruel joke played upon humanity by fate.....That's how I learned these lessons and how I learned to close my black and dark heart to others. And to be honest, I find it better this way. Stay single. I know nit sounds cruel to others but in the long run, you will find yourself a happier person.

Fuck love.

Scary how I think exactly the same way, but I've never even been on one date. Guess that show's my intelligence 8-). I find that almost everything in life is better by yourself, so why waste your time with another person? It's pointless. They're all scumbags, anyway.

[Dongra]

I've had problems with socialization throughout my life but I admit that I have a problem and have been improving on my social skills over the past couple of years. People can be good. You just need to find the right ones.

[ARASHIKAGE]

Scary how I think exactly the same way, but I've never even been on one date. Guess that show's my intelligence 8-). I find that almost everything in life is better by yourself, so why waste your time with another person? It's pointless. They're all scumbags, anyway.
Allowing yourself to forgive is the first step to finding love again, happiness is best when shared.

[GCoffee]

Realizing love is just an instinct doesn't change the fact that it's still an instinct that wants to be fulfilled.

[Randomness]

Actually, the truth of the matter is that love is nothing but a useless and bullshit emotion. A cruel joke played upon humanity by fate. I learned this the hard way myself after the first girl I had used me, the second left me for someone else and the third was a mentally unbalanced girl. That's how I learned these lessons and how I learned to close my black and dark heart to others. And to be honest, I find it better this way. Stay single. I know nit sounds cruel to others but in the long run, you will find yourself a happier person.

Fuck love.

Do you really want to classify that as love?

Also, Sayara, that may be the most poetic rant I've ever read.

[BIG OLAF]

Allowing yourself to forgive is the first step to finding love again, happiness is best when shared.

Bah, humbug. I find love silly and unnecessary. I am a man of logic, intelligence, and rationality (though I am still strongly opinionated and stubborn at points)...which are three things "love" greatly contradicts.

[bloodflowers]

Let me address that I enjoy the abandonment. They do stuff, i decline. I've grown so fed up with all the crap that's been involved with these guys that it isn't even worth the effort to care anymore. Its gotten to that point that being in the same room with them, my hostile nature grows more rapidly. it sucks it turns out this way but you know, after dealing almost a year of just not having trust in your own gf

I thought this was a Sega rant until the bold part.

First time for you? The next few times won't be any easier by the way. Misery loves company though, and there's no end of people who have been where you are now.

[xBladeM6x]

Bah, humbug. I find love silly and unnecessary. I am a man of logic, intelligence, and rationality (though I am still strongly opinionated and stubborn at points)...which are three things "love" greatly contradicts.
Those in love are not? I have to say I resent that. :-P Considering I do find myself to be the same as yourself in being that I'm a man of logic, intelligence and rationality. The hard (but worthwhile) part is to find a balance between that, and emotions. Once you do, everything because quite clear, and not so bleak and meaningless. ^^;

[BIG OLAF]

Those in love are not? I have to say I resent that. :-P Considering I do find myself to be the same as yourself in being that I'm a man of logic, intelligence and rationality. The hard (but worthwhile) part is to find a balance between that, and emotions. Once you do, everything because quite clear, and not so bleak and meaningless. ^^;

I find nothing worthwhile in "sharing" my life that closely with someone else. I don't mean to sound conceited, but they aren't worth it to me. Also, just because one finds themselves in love's primal grasp, doesn't meant they aren't logical or rational...but the emotion of love itself contradicts logic and rationality. That's what I meant.

[Rock Eastwood]

To me love is just a word, use to express different meanings or feelings, many of them exaggerated and full of shit.

Either you like being with the girl, and you can trust her, or you don't.

Otherwise just go for sex and forget everything about commitment and lies and loyalty and betrayal. Especially if you're young. Child love is "LOL cute" I guess, Teen love is so naive, and Early 20's love is just asking to be cheated on.

Also, The Ladder Theory.(Corrupted the way I looked at men and women forever o_o; )

[xBladeM6x]

I find nothing worthwhile in "sharing" my life that closely with someone else. I don't mean to sound conceited, but they aren't worth it to me.
All I can really say to you on that, is I'm sorry you feel that way. That must be a pretty shit-filled feeling to have. (No not trying to be mean) But I couldn't even imagine how shitty I'd feel If I woke up everyday thinking that. Olaf, I've known you for a while and better than most anyone, and I can tell you there is plenty worthwhile to share, you just need to look positively at what good things you do have.

Also, just because one finds themselves in love's primal grasp, doesn't meant they aren't logical or rational...but the emotion of love itself contradicts logic and rationality. That's what I meant.
There is some truth to that, but I find true happiness (primal or not) to be much more worth feeling than total unhappiness by looking at something like love as nothing more than a reason to have intercourse every February 14th.

[Sayara]

Realizing love is just an instinct doesn't change the fact that it's still an instinct that wants to be fulfilled.

This is the truth of the thread right here. Its easy to just go "screw love, it aint worth my trouble damnhobags." and what not, but to actually realize that you as a human being WANTS the interaction, intercourse or whatever is a completely different world of logic. You don't have those organs and homrones to simply ignore them for your left hand and chittybangbang.com to calm them down.

[BIG OLAF]

You don't have those organs and homrones to simply ignore them for your left hand and chittybangbang.com to calm them down.

This is true, but that doesn't mean that someone should be obliged to fulfill said desires. Some people have felt so distrusting and spiteful for so long, that they have suppressed said urges to literally 0% libido. I feel that's also a better thing, as then you can think more clearly and not get caught up in primitive/carnal desires, and focus on more important things in life.

But that's all just my personal take on it.

[Leviathan]

"Have you ever been in love? Horrible isn't it? It makes you so vulnerable. It opens your chest and it opens up your heart and it means someone can get inside you and mess you up. You build up all these defenses. You build up a whole armor, for years, so nothing can hurt you, then one stupid person, no different from any other stupid person, wanders into your stupid life... You give them a piece of you. They didn't ask for it. They did something dumb one day, like kiss you or smile at you, and then your life isn't your own anymore. Love takes hostages. It gets inside you. It eats you out and leaves you crying in the darkness, so simple a phrase like 'maybe we should be just friends' or 'how very perceptive' turns into a glass splinter working its way into your heart. It hurts. Not just in the imagination. Not just in the mind. It's a soul-hurt, a body-hurt, a real gets-inside-you-and-rips-you-apart pain. Nothing should be able to do that. Especially not love. I hate love."

-Neil Gaiman.

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But really, how old are all of you? Early twenties, I assume. (Same here so I am no different.) It's so easy to just give up on love. You only limit yourself.

Love takes courage.

[BIG OLAF]

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But really, how old are all of you? Early twenties, I assume. (Same here so I am no different.) It's so easy to just give up on love. You only limit yourself.

Love takes courage.

Funny, I found that burying silly emotions such as love actually clear your mind quite a bit. I think that clinging on to such things is what limits a person. As for love taking courage, I guess it's good that I don't care about love, seeing as I'm the most cowardly person I've ever seen.

Anyway, you all may continue your discussion. I'll happily watch, as I find other people's takes on all of this quite interesting.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm 21, but I don't see how that makes a difference.

[Leviathan]

Funny, I found that burying silly emotions such as love actually clear your mind quite a bit. I think that clinging on to such things is what limits a person. As for love taking courage, I guess it's good that I don't care about love, seeing as I'm the most cowardly person I've ever seen.

Anyway, you all may continue your discussion. I'll happily watch, as I find other people's takes on all of this quite interesting.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm 21, but I don't see how that makes a difference.

21 is young. You still have your entire life ahead of you.

And ignoring your emotions? I remember being 14. Fun times!

[BIG OLAF]

21 is young. You still have your entire life ahead of you.

Unfortunately.

And ignoring your emotions? I remember being 14. Fun times!

I also recall being 14. Wasn't that fun for me, though.

Sorry, I've been a bad mood for the past few days, so I'm feeling a bit more, say, "volatile" than usual. This thread popping up didn't help, either. Not that I'm blaming Sayara or anyone else, of course.

Wait, didn't I say I wouldn't respond to anything? Wow, I'm dumb.

[Sayara]

Pardon for opening my cage of anger i suppose.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

Pardon for opening my cage of anger i suppose.
And allowing crazy side discussion crazyass Imessage complex, again! PS players, high concentration of them there mofos
instead of help that OP. You gotta lock from the jump.

Rant, get it out, dunzo. Stop looking everyone.

[Palle]

You just need to find the right ones.

Yep, this comes with a bit of effort and a bit of luck.

Before you know it, everyone you meet will want to commit and settle down, then you'll be the one with cold feet, running to find something less heavy in a relationship.

Later still you'll be looking for all those people you remember meeting not long before, only now they're all married/committed with children and you'll have to fish the crowd five years your junior where you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone relateable.

The point I'm trying to make is: marry the first person you see and hang on for dear life.

Not really. ;3

[Keely]

A guy should be careful trying to always make a chick happy. It might not start out this way but she could eventually rely on that guy to make her happy 24/7. Her expectation for the guy to fulfill her happiness gets increasingly demanding and finally impossible to meet. Then they both end up unhappy.

[MetaZedlen]

Bah, humbug. I find love silly and unnecessary. I am a man of logic, intelligence, and rationality (though I am still strongly opinionated and stubborn at points)...which are three things "love" greatly contradicts.

The only reason people doubt love is because they have never truly felt it.

[xBladeM6x]

The only reason people doubt love is because they have never truly felt it.
This, or they did, and something happened and now they're scorned by it. People usually attempt to reject that which has "done nothing for them" or people who once had, but lost, or blatantly has hurt them.

[BIG OLAF]

The only reason people doubt love is because they have never truly felt it.

I agree, but I have no plans on "feeling" it, so it's a moot point.

[Outrider]

A guy should be careful trying to always make a chick happy. It might not start out this way but she could eventually rely on that guy to make her happy 24/7. Her expectation for the guy to fulfill her happiness gets increasingly demanding and finally impossible to meet. Then they both end up unhappy.

That is pretty much the definition of a bad relationship.

Also, a really sexist view on relationships.

In other words, you're doing it wrong in a lot of different ways.

[Pirrip]

I like the tie-in to the giving tree here.

[CupOfCoffee]

I don't want to contribute any wisdom to either side of this debate, so I'll just throw out some passages from the book Something Happened by Joseph Heller that are scary, sexist, horrible, wrong, and made me laugh really hard.

I want a divorce.
I need a divorce. I long for it. I crave a divorce. I pray for divorce.
Divorces seem impossible. They're so much work. It's hard to believe so many really take place. It's enough to stab the heart with envy, turn eyes dewy with pining and sentiment. People less proficient than I am manage to breeze right through their divorces without breaking strike, while I can't even get a foot out the door.
I want one too.
I have always wanted one. I dream of divorce. All my life I've wanted a divorce. Even before I was married I wanted a divorce. I don't think there has been a six-month period in all the years of my marriage—a six-week period—when I have not wanted to end it by divorce. I was never sure I wanted to get married. But I always knew I wanted a divorce.
"If it doesn't work out," I kept assuring myself right up to the day of the ceremony, "I can always get a divorce."
I can't always get a divorce.
I don't know how it's done.
Maybe I attach too much importance to a shirt.

My wife is bored too. My wife likes variety and movement and would prefer to mix around her different kinds of boredom. I'm content with the boredom I have. (If I were to kill my wife, who will take care of the children? If I kill my children, my wife can take care of herself. A prudent family man must plan ahead toward possibilities like that in order to provide for his loved ones.) I almost wish my wife would go ahead and commit adultery already so I can get my divorce.
(I'm not sure I can do it without her.)
My wife is at that stage now where she probably should commit adultery—and would, if she had more character. It might do her much good. I remember the first time I committed adultery. (It wasn't much good.)
"Now I am committing adultery," I thought.
It was not much different from the first time I laid my wife after we were married:
"Now I am laying my wife," I thought.

I think I might really feel like killing my wife, though, if she did it with someone I know in the company. My wife has red lines around her waist and chest when she takes her clothes off and baggy pouches around the sides and bottom of her behind, and I would not want anyone I deal with in the company to find that out.

It drives me up the wall, nearly out of my mind with pent-up rage, some nights to see and hear her sleeping soundly as an innocent child while I am lying awake in futile battles against worry, hurt, grievance, and overstimulation. [...] I want to pummel her. I want to hiss vitriol. It is here in the darkness of sleep, when no one is looking, not even ourselves, that our true rudimentary spirits emerge. Like furled and eyeless embryos, we wage war murderously over areas of quilt and corners of pillow; bumps of knee and hip are the weapons we use; mewing grunts and moans are the curses and battle cries. (We are babies, although we probably didn't feel this way when we were babies.) It infuriates me that she does not even know I'm awake. I feel martyred by neglect. (Some nights I can sleep and she can't: it registers upon me that she is leaving the bed repeatedly in some state of agitation and I doze off again more blissfully as a result of this knowledge.) I am in a turmoil of tragic insomnia, and she is lying inches away from me in a mellow stupor of oblivious tranquility. How dare she be so insensitive to my wretchedness and distress, especially when it's probably all her fault. And I want to shake her awake roughly.
"Get up, you, dammit you! Why should you be able to sleep when I can't! And it's all your fault."

[Nitro Vordex]

I agree, but I have no plans on "feeling" it, so it's a moot point.
You never really plan on love.

/cheese

[Gunslinger-08]

Love is a high risk, high reward practice. It's like learning fire dancing. Most people who get into it try, fail, and get badly burned several times before they get it right.

As it is with most things in life, persistence and resilience is key.

[RenzokukenZ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ0Yd-Pburs

Sometimes a blast from the past is needed to wake up the present generation.

[Gilmuken]

This is the best rant ever... for now.