Agito Repca overrated? (Full Custom Power)

[HEADSH0TSCOTT]

Hey guys. So I just noticed that the amazing AP special ability 'Full Custom Power', only adds the 10%(Lv1) / 20%(Lv2) boost to the weapon's 0/10 stats!!!

When I realized this, I kindof dropped any intention of buying a 10/10 repca. Kinda makes the Ely Sion waaaay too broken. Shouldn't be trade locked since we don't have GC. -_-'

/discuss?

Oh, and if this is old and has been talked about before, sorry. :]

[Anna_Wren]

Element%>ATP of weapon.

If you get a 50% 10/10 Agito Repca, you won't ever need another sword for that element. FCP doesn't add THAT much to the equation. Also a 10/10 50% Repca wipes the floor with Ely Sion.

[Lumpen Thingy]

Ely Sion can't even hit passed 14k lol

[HEADSH0TSCOTT]

Is it really that much better? Has anyone math'd it out though? I mean, I don't really know how the elemental % works, but I'm guessing it's a multiplier when fighting enemies with the opposite element.

Ely Sion 10/10 35% Light : 1820 (FCP = + 267)
Agito Repca 10/10 50% Light : 1591 (FCP = + 60)

Now, I don't really know how the Ele% works, but if it's a multiplier for the weapon itselfs attack, wouldn't it look something like this?

Sion = 2457
Repca = 2386.5

So Clearly it's a multiplier of damage for the Repca to be stronger. Well, yeah. I guess you guess are right I'm just too lazy to erase. I'll probably wait for the Zamba or Soul Banisher and hope to god they aren't reskins. :P

[Anna_Wren]

Nope, the % take in your total attack power. Your ATP and the weapons and the Units. Then it does the % boost. That means %s means more than anything on a weapon. In fact, its entirely possible to have a Soda Riban do more damage than an Ely Sion with 50% Element. Ely Sion is really over-rated among some players. Its pretty, but its not all that strong. Its the strongest against Neutral monsters, but not against any others.

[dias_flac_0g]

Nope, the % take in your total attack power. Your ATP and the weapons and the Units. Then it does the % boost. That means %s means more than anything on a weapon. In fact, its entirely possible to have a Soda Riban do more damage than an Ely Sion with 50% Element. Ely Sion is really over-rated among some players. Its pretty, but its not all that strong. Its the strongest against Neutral monsters, but not against any others.

Funny enough there's still players who think 10/10 is EVERYTHING.

Some even go as far as to think that a 20% spear that's 10/10 is stronger than a 0/10 50% one. Hahaha.

The amount of stupidity some players have is down right disturbing at times.

[HEADSH0TSCOTT]

Funny enough there's still players who think 10/10 is EVERYTHING.

Some even go as far as to think that a 20% spear that's 10/10 is stronger than a 0/10 50% one. Hahaha.

The amount of stupidity some players have is down right disturbing at times.

I hope that isn't directed at me or anything. I didn't know how the Ele% formula worked, but that doesn't make me stupid.

@Anna_Wren; Thanks for the help! :] Makes sense now.

[PSW4L]

I don't really get how it works. Say you have a sword that is 40% and 500 Attack and a sword that is 50% and 300 Attack. How would I know which one would be stronger?

I get that percent is more important, but at what point does attack power outweigh it? Like you would probably use a 30% S rank weapon over a 50% C rank wouldn't you?

[Keilyn]

Considering a 50% weapon only hits for +36% damage (10% Element = +7.2% damage) I find the rating to be deceptive. This is the only game I've played that when something says 50%, its not +50%...In fact nothing in PSU is 1 : 1 anymore.

[x Incubus Leo x]

http://calc.psupedia.info/index.html
put in all the factors and this will help you come out with a better outcome.

[HEADSH0TSCOTT]

According to that damage calculator, the Repca doesn't hit any more than 1100-ish over the Sion on the third hit of Gravity Break. That's without FCP included also. huh.

[dias_flac_0g]

I hope that isn't directed at me or anything. I didn't know how the Ele% formula worked, but that doesn't make me stupid.

@Anna_Wren; Thanks for the help! :] Makes sense now.

Maybe I was a little harsh with the "stupidity" since it's more of an ignorance thing than anything else. However, if you do not fit the discription of the player/players I was talking about then it wasn't directed at you. If you are exactly what I discribed then yes it was :)

At this point in time it should be very obvious that grinding anything to 10 is mostly just for looks (excluding the agito repca) since the 50% is what REALLY matters. Take a 0/10 Mugunburga at 50% it has 833 ATT a 10/10 has 886 that's like what 53 more att? In the real world that means nothing. A 1/1 50% will wipe the floor with anything 42% and below even if it's 10/10 that 53 att wont mean anything.

Many players are very ignorant to this fact though.

However this is for striking weapons only of course.

[BIG OLAF]

At this point in time it should be very obvious that grinding anything to 10 is mostly just for looks (excluding the agito repca) since the 50% is what REALLY matters. Take a 0/10 Mugunburga at 50% it has 833 ATT a 10/10 has 886 that's like what 53 more att? In the real world that means nothing. A 1/1 50% will wipe the floor with anything 42% and below even if it's 10/10 that 53 att wont mean anything.

Unless you factor Full Custom Power into the equation. My 38% 10/10 Mugunburga (with FCP lv. 2) is stronger than a 50% Mugunbura (unless it's also 10/10).

But, then again, I have increased PA level, Elemental Weapon 2 (which means my 38% is actually 45%)...GAS upgrades pretty much screw up any kind of factoring.

[dias_flac_0g]

Unless you factor Full Custom Power into the equation. My 38% 10/10 Mugunburga (with FCP lv. 2) is stronger than a 50% Mugunbura (unless it's also 10/10).

But, then again, I have increased PA level, Elemental Weapon 2 (which means my 38% is actually 45%)...GAS upgrades pretty much screw up any kind of factoring.

It was pretty obvious that I was talking about the weapons in their "default" state without any GAS customizations.

That said i'm sure with those 3 upgrades from GAS the 10/10 38% will do more damage compared to a non-gased out burga.

I'm curious though, how much damage do you average with the final "swipe" of the Majara PA at lvl 50 along with the two other GAS options on say the frogs at WB? Assuming it's a dark spear of course. I would like to know so I can compare the damage difference to my 50% ones and in general.

[BIG OLAF]

I don't know. My spear PAs are only at 44,which is what I have them capped at. It would probably be somewhere in the low-to-mid 7k damage range, though.

[dias_flac_0g]

Sounds about the same as mine. The big diff is that mine is a 50% 2/10 dark without FCP of course, but my PA is at 50 along with elemental wep lvl 2. I hit around 7000ish to 7180ish without any buffs.

I wanted to know if FCP was trully significant enough to put my non broken spears at risk of bringing their value low as hell assuming I want to sell em sometime seeing as broken weps are waaaay cheaper than non broken ones.

Thanks for the info.

[BIG OLAF]

My dark spear isn't 10/10, though. In case you thought it was.

[Anna_Wren]

According to my tests with a bow, the PSUpedia damage calculator is WAY off.
My light bow element is 33% (I have the bow element + skill) and I hit anywhere from 1280 to 1320 with Masei-sou (level 22). With my Yousei-sou I hit from 1650 to 1730. Thats around 30 to 33% from my math. To do that average damage on PSUpedia's damage calculator I'd need over 42%

I'll do some tests with my Creasabras, because I think the Hanmateric has a bit too much variance.

[Omega-z]

I Agree Anna_Wren, the calculator is WAY off and no good. Hanmateric should have about 20 variance, If it's higher it shouldn't to much more the only Bow I can think of with the most is Plasma Bow/Denki Bow with about 100. If you want no variance you could try handguns or weapons with no variance like the new Twin OgtioAgito at full HP.

[Gh409Dylan]

The whole 50% annoys me

why cant it just hit the friking 50%! o.o

[Gh409Dylan]

Also its annoying too watch people brag about it, when i try to achieve there potential and they put all this abuse on you because the palettes better...
ughhhh

[Anna_Wren]

I did some calculations.
My Creasabra Light 10/10 58% does from 820 to 890 (No criticals)
My Neutral Creasabra 10/10 does 515 to 570.

So, here is one of the numbers- lets take 520, and multiply it by .58. We get 301.6 (302)
Now add that back to 520 and we get 822. Fits in perfectly as a 58% weapon. I used the PSUPedia calculator and it gave me 827. So it seems the calculator may not be off. However, the % is correct on the weapons, its not "Actually" a 36% boost or whatever. The total damage boost is by the %.