Forces: More melee-centric this time around?

[Spellbinder]

Keep in mind this is all speculation and I may simply be jumping to conclusions being it alpha and people in these videos are barely past level 5 (if even that much).

However, looking at the 40 minute force video in particular, it got me wondering. It was too fuzzy for me to see the character's stats, but using foie ate pp fairly quickly leaving her to either run around in circles or take a few swings at enemies endangering herself for pp.

As a force that enjoyed being in the back line supporting the party and nuking, I feel a bit worried about being forced to melee with wands for pp.

Any thoughts?

[Rizen]

It's way too early to make any speculations on forces. If it is anything how PSO was, it takes a while for forces to get out of the melee phase without working about TP/PP.

[Ark22]

Yeah, once I was level 6 and able to wield a saber I was happy.

[lostinseganet]

The only way it could be more prefect if these forces played like rogues and stole weapons. If onnly they could play like prince of persia warrior within or otogi. PURRRRfect!

[Rizen]

The only way it could be more prefect if these forces played like rogues and stole weapons. If onnly they could play like prince of persia warrior within or otogi. PURRRRfect!

.....What?

[DirksOak]

Drugs.

FOmar was a melee-centric class anyway.

[Hrith]

Forces have always been late bloomers (for those who bloomed at all, mind), so low-level Forces as seen in the Alpha testing are bound to be extremely limited.

[Zyrusticae]

I kinda like it, actually.

Blast the crap out of things, then pull out gunslash and go to town, and then switch back and blast the crap out of more stuff.

But yeah, this is low-level gameplay, and an alpha to boot, so expect changes.

[Vashyron]

Even Low Lv PSO (Without packing some LV 200 mag or anything absurd) basically made the Force character have to pick up a Gun or a Saber for a while.

[BioWarrior]

If you look at the force skill tree there's a tree section for increased PP and faster regen.

[yoshiblue]

If not they could always be part time rangers.

[lostinseganet]

.....What?
rogues like in D&D, but with magic.

[•Col•]

Sega themselves as classified Forces as the long range class, meaning that they're supposed to be further back than even the Rangers.

Like others have said, it's just because of the low levels.

[Vashyron]

Also in these videos everyone has been going solo.

In a party the monsters would probably be concentration more on the hunters allowing forces to use off more techs.

[Kent]

Sega themselves as classified Forces as the long range class, meaning that they're supposed to be further back than even the Rangers.

Like others have said, it's just because of the low levels.
I don't know how much stock I'd put in that, considering that they outright state in PSO that Hunters are for "beginners" while Rangers are for "intermediate" players. Because it's apparently difficult to sit at a doorway and peg enemies, running back into it when they get too close.

I'm guessing that what they really meant was that most ranged techniques just have a longer range than guns... Or they're trying to emphasize that Forces just can't equip very good armor.

[landman]

I still have hopes Zero slicers will make a comeback, and combining them with techs could be impressive...

[Enforcer MKV]

I don't know how much stock I'd put in that, considering that they outright state in PSO that Hunters are for "beginners" while Rangers are for "intermediate" players. Because it's apparently difficult to sit at a doorway and peg enemies, running back into it when they get too close.

I'm guessing that what they really meant was that most ranged techniques just have a longer range than guns... Or they're trying to emphasize that Forces just can't equip very good armor.

Well, think about it for a moment.

Hunters - usually high HP, Attack, Defense. Able to perform attacks that sweep, with the intent of drawing the focus of the enemy. Also considered to be balanced. Portrayed as human, with balanced stats.

Ranger - mid-range support class. Requires aiming and (possibly) awareness of surroundings to find vantage points, etc. Generally high attack but not so well off in the defensive category. Portrayed as cast, with high attack/physical defense, with low tech tolerance

Force - Long-range (Artillery?) support class. Capable of the highest damage output, but also the most physically frail class. Able to use all technics to a better degree than the others, and also capable of placing status effects, both advantageous and disadvantageous. They need to be aware of both their allies and enemies, to support and heal the former, and to cripple/kill the later. Portrayed as Neuman, with High spiritual attunement (photons/techs) with poor physical attack, defense, and stamina (health).

Keep in mind, this is mostly based on what I've discussed with people and how I myself view the class, or experienced in the few games I've played. I could be completely off base for PSO2.

[Serephim]

What are you guys talking about. I almost never relied on melee on my PSO force. Techniques were almost infinitely more powerful.

[Serephim]

Well, think about it for a moment.

Hunters - usually high HP, Attack, Defense. Able to perform attacks that sweep, with the intent of drawing the focus of the enemy. Also considered to be balanced. Portrayed as human, with balanced stats.

Ranger - mid-range support class. Requires aiming and (possibly) awareness of surroundings to find vantage points, etc. Generally high attack but not so well off in the defensive category. Portrayed as cast, with high attack/physical defense, with low tech tolerance

Force - Long-range (Artillery?) support class. Capable of the highest damage output, but also the most physically frail class. Able to use all technics to a better degree than the others, and also capable of placing status effects, both advantageous and disadvantageous. They need to be aware of both their allies and enemies, to support and heal the former, and to cripple/kill the later. Portrayed as Neuman, with High spiritual attunement (photons/techs) with poor physical attack, defense, and stamina (health).

Keep in mind, this is mostly based on what I've discussed with people and how I myself view the class, or experienced in the few games I've played. I could be completely off base for PSO2.

In my opinion...

Hunters : They're pegged as the beginner class because they're easy to use. Plain and simple. They're powerful, they have nice defense, and most of them can use magic. They dab in a bit of everything.

Rangers: They're Intermediate characters because you actually have to do more than just press the attack/heavy attack buttons to get any use out of them. You have to use the special stuff for damage. Like Flame Shot or Shadow Shot, or confuse ect ect


Forces: They're Advanced because they die easy, you have to figure out which elements to use and how to use them, and above all else you really have to know the game to survive with them. Fluids in PSO costed tons of money, so if you didn't know how to save money you were just screwed.

[lostinseganet]

What are you guys talking about. I almost never relied on melee on my PSO force. Techniques were almost infinitely more powerful.Every now and then you just want to pasteurize your foes! Other times you just want to pound them into a fine paste.

[Bulgereek Nookstain]

What are you guys talking about. I almost never relied on melee on my PSO force. Techniques were almost infinitely more powerful.Depends on which class/episode/version you were playing, but melee was much more powerful than techs in many situations in PSO, mostly thanks to some extremely broken weapon specials.

[Zeota]

Yeah in most cases a fo was just a heal/buff/debuff slave.

[Spellbinder]

Well as I said in my OP, you can chalk it up to my jumping the gun. :p But I must say, back when I played PSO as a FOnewearl a saber just wasn't an option, not enough ATP until at least level 10. I just saved up my meseta from drops and kept making trips for fluids, and at 5 TP per foie, I got way more mileage in my lower levels than the Force appears to be in these videos, but time will tell.



If you look at the force skill tree there's a tree section for increased PP and faster regen.

I've yet to see the force skill tree. Can anyone tell me which video I can find it in?

[•Col•]

I've yet to see the force skill tree. Can anyone tell me which video I can find it in?

Dunno where a video of it would be, but here is the Alpha Test Force Skill tree:


Flame Mastery > Photon Flare > Flame Tech S Charge > Flame Mastery 2
Mirage Escape
Ice Mastery > Freeze Ignition > Ice Mastery 2 > Freeze Tech Boost
Bolt Mastery >PP Convert > Bolt Mastery 2 > Bolt Tech PP Save
PP Up 1 > Tech Up 1 > Mind Up 1 > PP Up 2 > PP Regenerate

[Enforcer MKV]

In my opinion...

Hunters : They're pegged as the beginner class because they're easy to use. Plain and simple. They're powerful, they have nice defense, and most of them can use magic. They dab in a bit of everything.

Rangers: They're Intermediate characters because you actually have to do more than just press the attack/heavy attack buttons to get any use out of them. You have to use the special stuff for damage. Like Flame Shot or Shadow Shot, or confuse ect ect


Forces: They're Advanced because they die easy, you have to figure out which elements to use and how to use them, and above all else you really have to know the game to survive with them. Fluids in PSO costed tons of money, so if you didn't know how to save money you were just screwed.

...That's what I said. You have the quote right there. XD

[Serephim]

oh


well there we go lol :D

[StriderTuna]

Well I know how in PSO that Forces were forced into support/melee due to absurd resistances encountered in harder difficulties.

In PSZ, Melee is a surprising good option for Forces as Rods/Wands/Slicer use MST instead of ATP and they have some interesting PAs.

[DirksOak]

What are you guys talking about. I almost never relied on melee on my PSO force. Techniques were almost infinitely more powerful.

Level 1306 Mag confirmed.
x99 Monofluid/Difluid/Trifluid confirmed.

[Hotsuma]

I actually like the idea of FOs being more battle centric this time around, makes it more exciting to have to know your position on the field at all times and know that even though you gotta jump into the fray you gotta be careful because one mistake = pwned! I welcome more dangerous excitement, I might even go FO main this time around.

[ShinMaruku]

Why have a melee force when you can have a mid-range force specialization where they are in the faces of their enemies throwing fire knocking monsters on their asses or freezing them.

[Enforcer MKV]

Well I know how in PSO that Forces were forced into support/melee due to absurd resistances encountered in harder difficulties.

In PSZ, Melee is a surprising good option for Forces as Rods/Wands/Slicer use MST instead of ATP and they have some interesting PAs.

I just enjoyed smacking things with a lamp post, but that's just me...

[Tyreek]

I approve of the melee centric force to a degree. I would just like to see their main specialty broadened out. I would like the option flank enemies with as many spells as possible. So far I got to see Foie added in the mix of comboing with melee attacks.

[Tetsaru]

I just enjoyed smacking things with a lamp post, but that's just me...

After reading this, I immediately thought of Jax from League of Legends, lol:

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[condiments]

I plan on making a melee oriented support force, so this works for me. :D

[landman]

I see many possibilities in this, maybe even Photon Arts that merge a skill and a tech (Knuckles Upercut + Foie = Soryuken :D), prerequisites would be of course leveling both the skill and the tech. And that Mirage walk, if it's target friendly, could ad for awesome combos (and you could fight like Akuma or Athena Asamiya lol)

[Enforcer MKV]

After reading this, I immediately thought of Jax from League of Legends, lol:

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Thank you. No, really. I mean it. Thank you. XD