Anime and Everything Not Related to PSO2.

[Aumi]

I think it's hard as hell. I like it because it (HERE IT COMES) reminds me of PSO's artwork. The faces look alot more PSO-ish than Anime-ish. (there's a difference, PSO had a distinct artstyle)


And those are pre-rendered models.


Also, i hate lolis, but that Fonewearl looks badass in that picture. I've been missing the PSO jester-girl Fonewearl for a while, now. She was always cool looking.

1. So... Please define "anime style"... For instance, ever watched Death Note? That's anime style. "Anime style" is not a single style. There tend to be similarities and a certain distinct anime/manga-esque feel about almost all anime and manga art, but the style of anime and manga is VERY diverse. As for PSO2's style, it is definitely "anime style"... Besides, while PSO's character art was pretty unique, although still "anime styled", the in-game character designs were very anime-styled. It might perhaps be more appropriate to call it modern Japanese style, since it's a style used in most drawn and animated popular Japanese media.

2. FOnewearl is not a loli. She's just small and actually has a rather normal chest size. In no way does she look like a preadolescent...

[Zorafim]

FOnewearl's more of a magical girl, really. And many of us link that to underaged girls.

[Zyrusticae]

FOnewearl's more of a magical girl, really. And many of us link that to underaged girls.
Underaged =/= loli. You don't call high-school aged girls "lolis".

[NoiseHERO]

FOnewearl's more of a magical girl, really. And many of us link that to underaged girls.

I saw her as more of a magic elf-imp chick thingie that just so happened to be a midget girl.

change around her outfits a couple times though and yeah time-4-cardcaptures.

[Serephim]

1. So... Please define "anime style"... For instance, ever watched Death Note? That's anime style. "Anime style" is not a single style. There tend to be similarities and a certain distinct anime/manga-esque feel about almost all anime and manga art, but the style of anime and manga is VERY diverse. As for PSO2's style, it is definitely "anime style"... Besides, while PSO's character art was pretty unique, although still "anime styled", the in-game character designs were very anime-styled. It might perhaps be more appropriate to call it modern Japanese style, since it's a style used in most drawn and animated popular Japanese media.

Arugh, please don't start this whole "generalization" arguement with me, i will not participate because it is not necessary.

You know exactly what i mean when i say "anime style". I mean generic and mainstream. Like PSP2. But more specifically, PSZ.




2. FOnewearl is not a loli. She's just small and actually has a rather normal chest size. In no way does she look like a preadolescent...Yes, it's been established already. Michaeru alreay corrected me.


PSO FOnewearl was awesome, even in all her shortness, but i never really enjoyed her outfit from the waist down. Im very glad they toned her down a bit while keeping her personality from the original.

She never fit the "magical girl" personality to me. At least, not in official art. Her facial personality was more of a " im fonewm except a girl and really short".

[Zorafim]

I saw her as more of a magic elf-imp chick thingie that just so happened to be a midget girl.

change around her outfits a couple times though and yeah time-4-cardcaptures.

I mean the magical girl archetype. You know, young girl who transforms into a flamboyant warrior of truth and love, shooting random objects out of their stylized magical handheld item to destroy their enemies.
You know, Sailor Moon, Card Captor Sakura, stuff like that.

[NoiseHERO]

I mean the magical girl archetype. You know, young girl who transforms into a flamboyant warrior of truth and love, shooting random objects out of their stylized magical handheld item to destroy their enemies.
You know, Sailor Moon, Card Captor Sakura, stuff like that.

I know whut you sayin' I still dun see it...

I see a magician girl...

But not a mahou shoujo...

[ShinMaruku]

I see a witch.

[NoiseHERO]

I see a witch.

Yeah!

[ShinMaruku]

What I want to know is if they added chaining and wether you can set up some sick juggles like I do in PSP2i

[Serephim]

You can do juggles in PSP2i?

Maybe i was playing a different game, all my moves just blow them across the screen :0

[yoshiblue]

PSO FOnewy to me, looked like she was a bit crazy and would light you on fire if she felt like it.

[ShinMaruku]

You can do juggles in PSP2i?

Maybe i was playing a different game, all my moves just blow them across the screen :0

Use sazonde.

[Serephim]

Oh well PSP2i had a different kind of juggle. They weren't programmed for you to chain attacks together with them.


I see a witch.


YEAH! That's the word for her. She didn't look like a magical girl because she looked like a Witch.

Which is different -- Witches usually mean more serious magic abilities. Magical Girls just shoot gay sparkles and stars at you.

[Zyrusticae]

YEAH! That's the word for her. She didn't look like a magical girl because she looked like a Witch.

Which is different -- Witches usually mean more serious magic abilities. Magical Girls just shoot gay sparkles and stars at you.

That's...

Kind of wrong.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFu-ownXkX8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFxFhxrfBzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4wS4z8_4x4

The connection is particularly obvious with Nanoha. What with the mechanical weapons and the shields that could easily be line shields from PSO and such. Sailor Moon is not the only Mahou Shoujo out there, y'know. ^^

[Serephim]

i can never take those shows seriously.


I mean....just look at them....

[Aumi]

i can never take those shows seriously.


I mean....just look at them....

Yeah, it's called bias. Many shows may look hard to take serious, but you may find yourself surprised at how serious many such shows can be taken. I cannot blame you, I sometimes feel the same, although I've gotten quite used to it and more often give shows a chance, however ridiculous some may look.

[Randomness]

Yeah, it's called bias. Many shows may look hard to take serious, but you may find yourself surprised at how serious many such shows can be taken. I cannot blame you, I sometimes feel the same, although I've gotten quite used to it and more often give shows a chance, however ridiculous some may look.

*points to Madoka Magica*

[Zorafim]

Wait, so the distinction between being a magical girl character comes down to whether or not you think the character is cool? That's... That's really bias.

[Serephim]

Someone describe the "magical girl" trope to me please.

And uh, yeah, it IS bias. Im not even going to say it isn't. I just think it's retarded, and i can never take the characters seriously. None of them look like fighters, and none of their fights are believable, no matter how much dust or sparks or fire or explosions or blood (lol) or impossibly cool and intricate weapons they'll put in it. I just don't see why little 4 foot tall, 12 year old girls are such a subject of entertainment.

There is a difference between a girl who is a small/short fighter, and a small/short girl who fights. The latter is how i feel about Magical Girl shows. And it's why i hate lolis and almost anything that looks like one, or is part of the trope.

[GCoffee]

To be fair, that old PSU trailer still looks bad. Really, really bad.

[Serephim]

To be fair, that old PSU trailer still looks bad. Really, really bad.

Woah, which one?

If you're talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qchDkrStK30&feature=player_embedded

Then uh, n*gga please, u crazy.

[Blueblur]

To be fair, that old PSU trailer still looks bad. Really, really bad.
Agreed. I'm amazed that I could have ever thought it was decent at all.

[NoiseHERO]

Yeah, it's called bias. Many shows may look hard to take serious, but you may find yourself surprised at how serious many such shows can be taken. I cannot blame you, I sometimes feel the same, although I've gotten quite used to it and more often give shows a chance, however ridiculous some may look.

Post year 2000 animes and "take serious" in the same sentence...

lol...

Maybe being biased should go the other way around.

[FOkyasuta]

90's: To cheezy

00's: lol not srs

10's: Fan Service Galore

[NoiseHERO]

70's: Everything was new and awesome

80's: Still had awesome original ideas left

90's: birth of "cheezy" but at least still original

00-05's: end of originality

06-10: Japan goes fullblown bishounen hollywood. (Evidence = Tite Kubo's art evolution on ichigo, making him go from block headed manly faced teen... to make model)

XX's: LOOOOOOOOL just read da manga

NB4 complaints from modern anime fans.

[FOkyasuta]

70's: Everything was new and awesome

80's: Still had awesome original ideas left

90's: birth of "cheezy" but at least still original

00-05's: end of originality

06-10: Japan goes fullblown bishounen hollywood. (Evidence = Tite Kubo's art evolution on ichigo, making him go from block headed manly faced teen... to make model)

XX's: LOOOOOOOOL just read da manga

NB4 complaints from modern anime fans.

Winner!

[Zyrusticae]

This thread is depressing.

Is there anything you people actually like?

Cynical internet syndrome is definitely here 100% in this thread.

[NoiseHERO]

Whether I like something or not isn't whether it's good or not.

I can stomach tons of crappy anime!

I won't say it's good though.

[ShinMaruku]

I like boobies. The boobie tab is 100% ok with me. :E

[Randomness]

Someone describe the "magical girl" trope to me please.

And uh, yeah, it IS bias. Im not even going to say it isn't. I just think it's retarded, and i can never take the characters seriously. None of them look like fighters, and none of their fights are believable, no matter how much dust or sparks or fire or explosions or blood (lol) or impossibly cool and intricate weapons they'll put in it. I just don't see why little 4 foot tall, 12 year old girls are such a subject of entertainment.

There is a difference between a girl who is a small/short fighter, and a small/short girl who fights. The latter is how i feel about Magical Girl shows. And it's why i hate lolis and almost anything that looks like one, or is part of the trope.

This is a genre ostensibly aimed at kids. That should be all you need to understand the majority of them.

[NoiseHERO]

This is a genre ostensibly aimed at kids. That should be all you need to understand the majority of them.

NOpe...

It's for targeted towards two groups...

lil girls or japan's equivalent of Hannah Montana fans...

And grown men, the kind of grown men that make hentai comics of it if they can.

[Zyrusticae]

Yeah, right.

Really, though, you're just talking out of your ass.

Here, a bunch of recent post-2000 anime that are actually good:

Dennou Coil
Kaiba (nothing to do with the guy from Yugioh)
Real Drive
Tetsuwan Birdy Decode:02
Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (note: I can understand you disliking it purely for hipster values, but it is still an awesome, awesome series)
Usagi Drop
Michiko e Hatchin (and you think originality is dead...)
Spice and Wolf (an anime about trading. TRADING! In medieval Europe!)
Gundam Unicorn
Hellsing Ultimate
Bokurano (genre deconstruction ftw)

I could go on. But if you think everything is terrible, you either aren't looking hard enough, or you have absolutely no taste. One of those can be fixed.

[NoiseHERO]

Yeah, right.

Really, though, you're just talking out of your ass.

Here, a bunch of recent post-2000 anime that are actually good:

Dennou Coil
Kaiba (nothing to do with the guy from Yugioh)
Real Drive
Tetsuwan Birdy Decode:02
Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (note: I can understand you disliking it purely for hipster values, but it is still an awesome, awesome series)
Usagi Drop
Michiko e Hatchin (and you think originality is dead...)
Spice and Wolf (an anime about trading. TRADING! In medieval Europe!)
Gundam Unicorn
Hellsing Ultimate
Bokurano (genre deconstruction ftw)

I could go on. But if you think everything is terrible, you either aren't looking hard enough, or you have absolutely no taste. One of those can be fixed.

zzzzZZZzzz...

[Palle]

Here, a bunch of recent post-2000 anime that are actually good:

Dennou Coil
Kaiba
Real Drive
Gundam Unicorn

Forgiving obvious subjectivity, these 'good' productions are far too few to generate any reasonable hope for the industry as whole. As the opiate of the masses, anime is now a gutter-level street product cut with so much tropetastic fanservice that it's no small wonder watching it isn't lethal.

It should also be noted that the above 'good' examples are not the garbage Sakai is going to sell you.


I could go on.

Not really.


But if you think everything is terrible, you either aren't looking hard enough, or you have absolutely no taste.

/endforgivingobvioussubjectivity

[Zyrusticae]

Ugh, you guys are terrible.

It seems every single time the subject is broached, I have to bring up Sturgeon's Law.

I repeat Sturgeon’s Revelation, which was wrung out of me after twenty years of wearying defense of science fiction against attacks of people who used the worst examples of the field for ammunition, and whose conclusion was that ninety percent of SF is crud.
Using the same standards that categorize 90% of science fiction as trash, crud, or crap, it can be argued that 90% of film, literature, consumer goods, etc. are crap. In other words, the claim (or fact) that 90% of science fiction is crap is ultimately uninformative, because science fiction conforms to the same trends of quality as all other artforms.

In other words, stop stating the bloody fucking obvious and using it as some kind of platform for "oh everything's terrible everything is shit woe is the new generation who has to put up with this shit" whingage. I mean, okay, seriously? Is there any way you can possibly not sound like an insufferible prick when you act like that?

Edit: As for the subjectivity crap, go see this list (http://myanimelist.net/topanime.php) if you really, absolutely require the closest thing to an "objective" measurement of quality. (It may be interesting for you to note that none of the big three shounen series show up in the top 30.)

[NoiseHERO]

"most anime sucks these days"

U: "OMG *names 5 animes that he thinks doesn't suck* "

"most anime sucks these days"

U: "STOP STATING THE OBVIOUS QQ"

[Zyrusticae]

More like
"everything post-2000 sucks"
*names a dozen post-2000 series of high quality"

???

Trolololololol

[Dongra]

Why do you keep responding to him? Michaeru is probably the most obvious, and worst, troll on these boards.

[Zyrusticae]

Because I'm a hothead.

But you're right. My bad. I'm a terrible troll feeder.

[NoiseHERO]

Taking things literally and trying too hard won't make your argument less whiny and overly defensive of your bad taste in entertainment though.

Hollywood makes plenty of high quality garbage, bro.

Also LOL dongra, who ARE you??

[Zyrusticae]

trololololol
Seriously?

Thank the makers that this forum has an ignore function. I really shouldn't have to use it, but... :???:

[NoiseHERO]

That's right!

I'm just a troll!

Run awayyyyy~!

[Palle]

Edit: As for the subjectivity crap, go see this list (http://myanimelist.net/topanime.php) if you really, absolutely require the closest thing to an "objective" measurement of quality.

15,000 - 150,000 ratings seems more of an objective measure of popularity rather than quality. I'd point to Reality-TV™ ratings for evidence that popularity has nothing to do with quality... probably a wasted exercise, though.

If it's any consolation in your fight for forum justice, you are one of the few people left on the PSO2 subforums who isn't already on my ignore list.

[Serephim]

NOpe...

It's for targeted towards two groups...

lil girls or japan's equivalent of Hannah Montana fans...

And grown men, the kind of grown men that make hentai comics of it if they can.


So apparently, i recently found out that shows like those are 100% not aimed at females at all. They're aimed at boys.

So are anime like Love Hina and whatnot.


Although i personally watched Love Hina because it was hilarious.

Everything this year sucked, with the exception of FMA and Soul Eater and maybe a few other things that actually had good animation teams behind them.



If it's widely popular, it's probably fuckshit.



Why do you keep responding to him? Michaeru is probably the most obvious, and worst, troll on these boards.

Michaeru is one of the most sensible people here. You guys probably dont like him because he makes sense.




In other words, stop stating the bloody fucking obvious and using it as some kind of platform for "oh everything's terrible everything is shit woe is the new generation who has to put up with this shit" whingage. I mean, okay, seriously? Is there any way you can possibly not sound like an insufferible prick when you act like that?

Edit: As for the subjectivity crap, go see this list (http://myanimelist.net/topanime.php) if you really, absolutely require the closest thing to an "objective" measurement of quality. (It may be interesting for you to note that none of the big three shounen series show up in the top 30.) I saw FMA on there. Thats good.

I saw Eva on there. I liked the original but hated the ending just like the rest of the entire planet for obvious reasons. 2.0 took everything i liked about Eva and threw it out the window -- it was like watching Dragonball AT-Field or something.

Cowboy Bebop should be the only thing on your list. It was the best anime evar.

All that other shit is zzzzZZZZZzzzzzz


Can we stop this now? Everyone knows Anime is trash now, it's been that way for nearly 12 years now, just like JRPGs, platformers, Action games, shooters, party games, movies, Tv shows, cartoons (WAIT those dont exist anymore, my bad) and probably porn.

Not to mention the stupid pellets of duck shit who made 4-chan, and all the stupid ass idiots they've spawned. Now the god damn internet sucks, too.

Well, 2012 is right around the corner :D

[Zyrusticae]

All that other shit is zzzzZZZZZzzzzzz

You are absolutely full of it.

Have you actually even watched any of them? Serious question.

I just realized that everyone responding to me probably hasn't even bothered with that much. What a load of...




Can we stop this now? Everyone knows Anime is trash now, it's been that way for nearly 12 years now, just like JRPGs, platformers, Action games, shooters, party games, movies, Tv shows, cartoons (WAIT those dont exist anymore, my bad) and probably porn.

Not to mention the stupid pieces of duck shit who made 4-chan. Now the internet sucks, too.
...I admit, this did make me lol.

EVERYTHING SUCKS. IT'S TRUE. :O



Michaeru is one of the most sensible people here. You guys probably dont like him because he makes sense.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_losy0q9TTF1qbc6gb.gif

[BIG OLAF]

What is everyone crying about this time?

[Serephim]

I forgot those dumb pieces of shit at IGN. They're ruining videogames too, and i hope a small meteor falls on their headquarters one night while nobody is there. They are comprised of just about everything i hate about people who get paid to voice a fucking opinion.


Micharu is chill, most of you guys here are not. He does not give a shit (like me), and so when shit hits the fan, he's able to just casually joke about it and laugh at the carnage afterwards....which is ironically the same thing that trolls are known for, except it's not the same thing.

u jelly?


Just look at how much has spawned from someone talking ill of Anime : /

[Zyrusticae]

It IS the same thing.

What the fuck is the difference? It's completely tactless bullshit. Am I supposed to find it funny? Because it's not done in a very humorous manner, if that's what you're suggesting. In fact, it's a pretty bloody terrible joke, if it was supposed to be one.

Really, trying too hard? I'm supposed to find that shit funny? Yeah, right. Sure.

[Sienna]

Can't tell if serious

Or being dumb

No way we can play nice


No way

[NoiseHERO]

I typed something meaningful here but I refreshed the page by pressing a quote button and forgot what I typed...

No seriously, my bad. I guess it'll just make this next set of text look relevant in a negative way, but I don't care... Oh well..



Michaeru is one of the most sensible people here. You guys probably dont like him because he makes sense.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Zorafim]

Can we stop this now? Everyone knows Anime is trash now, it's been that way for nearly 12 years now, just like JRPGs, platformers, Action games, shooters, party games, movies, Tv shows, cartoons (WAIT those dont exist anymore, my bad) and probably porn.

Well there's your problem. You enjoyed a medium once, and now that you've had your fill, you believe that its quality is lower. Let's face it, you aren't a kid anymore. The magic has been sucked out of everything, and you need to find new ways to find it. It's not that everything sucks, it's that you have a more critical mind now, and you need more substance to fill it. And if nothing else, try something new. There are some great things out there, if you're willing to look or ask around. Heck, try out Friendship is Magic. That's actually really well done, and made with a ton of love.

Also, I want to point out that the last three pages have nothing to do with PSO2 at all. Might I suggest a mass delete?


By the way, when you asked to be explained the magical girl trope... Did you mean that you wanted to know why people like it, or know what makes a magical girl?
Heck, I'll answer both. A magical girl is a young female character (maybe male, but I've never seen one) wearing a highly flamboyant outfit fighting enemies they have no business fighting, and fights using an unorthodox fighting style. I'd also like to remind you that a FOnewearl is a young female character wearing a highly flamboyant outfit fighting enemies they have no business fighting, and fights using an unorthodox fighting style (namely, magic). So, you can forgive me for claiming a FOnewearl is a magical girl, yes?
As for what the appeal is... Originally, it was something for young girls to watch, like super heroes were for young boys. They wore pretty dresses, fought using pretty moves, and valued things young girls value. They became a hit, and as they became more popular, the medium got more mature, until we see those videos that we've watched (which I'll admit I only watched one of. Nice scenery.). If you didn't grow up with it and still want to know, well, that's like trying to explain why men like giant robots and big swords. It's something we grew up with, and it's something we still love.

Crap, still off topic. I, um... Customizable vibrating boobs, GO!

[Zyrusticae]

Crap, still off topic. I, um... Customizable vibrating boobs, GO!
I will greatly enjoy seeing other female characters with their ridiculous bouncing breasts while my character is standing around with a washboard chest.

Also, nice post. +1

But really. Things really go to shit around here when there's no game-related stuff to talk about...

[NoiseHERO]

I will greatly enjoy seeing other female characters with their ridiculous bouncing breasts while my character is standing around with a washboard chest.

Also, nice post. +1

But really. Things really go to shit around here when there's no game-related stuff to talk about...

This is coming from the guy who blew up over the off-topic of anime and made it worse, though. He does this with a lot of things too, it he kind of gets him SELF trolled. It's pretty funny. I'm talking about him in the 3rd person cause he can't read this.

Wow I'm bein' kind of abusive though.





But yeah there's no topic to get back on. No new info.

[Serephim]

Well there's your problem. You enjoyed a medium once, and now that you've had your fill, you believe that its quality is lower. Let's face it, you aren't a kid anymore. The magic has been sucked out of everything, and you need to find new ways to find it. It's not that everything sucks, it's that you have a more critical mind now, and you need more substance to fill it. And if nothing else, try something new. There are some great things out there, if you're willing to look or ask around. Heck, try out Friendship is Magic. That's actually really well done, and made with a ton of love.

Also, I want to point out that the last three pages have nothing to do with PSO2 at all. Might I suggest a mass delete?


By the way, when you asked to be explained the magical girl trope... Did you mean that you wanted to know why people like it, or know what makes a magical girl?
Heck, I'll answer both. A magical girl is a young female character (maybe male, but I've never seen one) wearing a highly flamboyant outfit fighting enemies they have no business fighting, and fights using an unorthodox fighting style. I'd also like to remind you that a FOnewearl is a young female character wearing a highly flamboyant outfit fighting enemies they have no business fighting, and fights using an unorthodox fighting style (namely, magic). So, you can forgive me for claiming a FOnewearl is a magical girl, yes?
As for what the appeal is... Originally, it was something for young girls to watch, like super heroes were for young boys. They wore pretty dresses, fought using pretty moves, and valued things young girls value. They became a hit, and as they became more popular, the medium got more mature, until we see those videos that we've watched (which I'll admit I only watched one of. Nice scenery.). If you didn't grow up with it and still want to know, well, that's like trying to explain why men like giant robots and big swords. It's something we grew up with, and it's something we still love.

Crap, still off topic. I, um... Customizable vibrating boobs, GO!

Sh- man i really feel like an asshole for ignoring all your manuscripts. But you know, i really respect the fact that he doesn't insult me just because he disagrees with me. So now im more inclined to read your ridiculous walls-o-text! I really with more people were like you. Maybe then this place wouldn't be so tense all the time : 3



Neway the difference between Fonewearl and Magical Girl Anime is that Fonewearl isn't the focus of Phantasy Star Online. She is the minority in that she's the only character who defaults to a smaller looking female, and wears "cute" clothing. Also, she's only one in a cast of 12 defaults to gain attention in PSO. I can look over her appearance in this case, because her appearance isn't the focus. Magical Girl anime however, seem to base most of the reason for watching them on the little girls themselves. My over-exaggerations aside, it just does not appeal to me. I don't doubt that one day i....okay, im laying, someone ELSE may force me to watch a magical girl anime, and i may very well like it. This "someone else" is probably going to be my "significant someone else", or else this event probably isn't ever going to happen.



Kind of like how alot of my IRL female friends love Kpop / Jpop groups. I dislike lots of Kpop groups because the focus seems to be on the beautiful women and the handsome women instead of the music itself. This is also the reason PSP2i is one of my least favorite games in the series, despite it having some of the best gameplay. It just stopped appealing to me, when it got so tropey and cliche.

And no, there was not a typo in my last sentence. : 3

Edit: and oh, no, my thinking everything sucks these days has little to do with me not being a kid anymore. I know full well when im judging something based on Nostalgia, and i account for it to be fair.

But videogames today (and music as well) just is not the same thing as it was 10-12 years ago. They have changed, dramatically. And i just dont like them as much anymore. With all our advancements, we've been stepping backwards in almost everything except how much memory and horsepower we're using. I used to think it was just my "the 90s are gone" syndrome talking for me...but no, shit's really starting to stink these days.

[Zyrusticae]

ridiculous walls-o-text!
[Then proceeds to type a post equally long]
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4r4n9LDfX1qzz6dgo1_250.jpg

[Serephim]

Hey dont you have some shitty anime you need to be attending to or something








[SPOILER-BOX]....okay that was mean. Im sorry. I had alot to address, of course. [/SPOILER-BOX]

[Zyrusticae]

You know, if folks did a lot less implying that their standards are in any way objective, I would be a lot less hostile towards such stances.

Instead, it's "all new anime are shit. Period."

Oh, the best part is when they haven't actually watched any of these series.

Look, I get it, you don't think any of it is worth your time. You COULD say so without making it seem like anyone who does like the stuff is somehow inferior, you COULD actually admit that you haven't seen most of the stuff you're even talking about, but no, I guess that's just not possible.

Everyone here seems to have an ego the size of a blimp. Damn shame, really, there's not enough room for even two people like that. I think I'll follow Remius' example and vamoose.

(Edit: And yes, this is still off-topic. In case you didn't notice, I don't really care about that.)

[RemiusTA]

Actually, i just got banned.

When it was lifted, I noticed I just didn't really give a shit anymore. You guys are crazy.

[Arkios]

Haha.

The more I read through the posts, the more I enjoy Zyrusticae's comments.

Also, -1 for Serephim and -1 for Michaeru for having the most annoying posts.


OT: Does anyone know when TGS is supposed to happen? I can't handle much more of this...

[NoiseHERO]

Actually, i just got banned.

When it was lifted, I noticed I just didn't really give a shit anymore. You guys are crazy.

I never really cared, this is entertainment when I'm bored. I MIGHT be crazy thou- Wait how'd you get banned?

@ Arkios, really? I think all of your thoughts and opinions are annoying too! D<

[RemiusTA]

Beats me.

[ShinMaruku]

Given that in the old ps games tech are NOT magic. Magic is somethign completely different. Tech being psychic power.

[Arkios]

Given that in the old ps games tech are NOT magic. Magic is somethign completely different. Tech being psychic power.

Wait, what?

How is psychic power not the same as magic power?

[NoiseHERO]

Wait, what?

How is psychic power not the same as magic power?

^
Example of a post that sparks a silly off-topic argument that makes everyone look stupid that you all hypocritically hate so much.

Of course it won't happen now that I pointed it out...

Maybe.

Or maybe it'll be my own post!

[BIG OLAF]

Actually, i just got banned.

When it was lifted, I noticed I just didn't really give a shit anymore. You guys are crazy.

Precisely why I've significantly toned down my activeness in the PSO2 board. I realized that a vast majority of these people aren't worth the trouble of getting warnings/temporary bans (or perma-bans, even). So, I'm mostly just going to lurk, and throw a few posts up here and there when new tidbits of info pop up.

[NoiseHERO]

All the people I usually agree with grew up and stopped posting, no wonder I'm just a "troll" now. D:

All these posts are gonna be gone by tomorrow though.

[yoshiblue]

Yay for posting when you feel like it!

Welcome back Remius.

[Zorafim]

Given that in the old ps games tech are NOT magic. Magic is somethign completely different. Tech being psychic power.

Wow, this came out of nowhere. What are you referring to, exactly? It's true, but, what topic are we on? Sorry, I just don't know how to continue.

Thanks for the compliment, Serephim. I rarely get those nowadays, it's nice when I do.
Just to be clear though, you don't think a FOnewearl is a magical girl because she doesn't demand a ton of attention? That's an angle I haven't thought of before, it is true that the typical one does have a billboard on their chest. Still, I'm not getting a strong argument against their being a magic girl, just an argument for them being one of the best damn magic girls you've ever seen (by virtue of them being refreshingly modest in their flamboyancy).

Something you'll notice about me, especially as I coup around this forum. I love to argue for the sake of arguing. I dislike emotional outbursts, insults, and overall giving people a bad day. But I love the sport of testing people's opinions to the point of breaking or until new ones are forged in me. I also like testing myself, seeing how much stress I can take before breaking down myself.
So what does that make me? A tea-troll? Or perhaps just really bored?


Actually, i just got banned.

This kinda made me chuckle.

[BIG OLAF]

But I love the sport of testing people's opinions to the point of breaking or until new ones are forged in me.

So, in other words, you like harassing people and busting their chops over their views just to try and make them second-guess themselves? That's terribly douchey, in my opinion.

Or maybe I misunderstand you. Don't know, don't care that much.

[yoshiblue]

I told you some people like to argue for the sake of arguing.

[Serephim]

Wow, this came out of nowhere. What are you referring to, exactly? It's true, but, what topic are we on? Sorry, I just don't know how to continue.

Thanks for the compliment, Serephim. I rarely get those nowadays, it's nice when I do.
Just to be clear though, you don't think a FOnewearl is a magical girl because she doesn't demand a ton of attention? That's an angle I haven't thought of before, it is true that the typical one does have a billboard on their chest. Still, I'm not getting a strong argument against their being a magic girl, just an argument for them being one of the best damn magic girls you've ever seen (by virtue of them being refreshingly modest in their flamboyancy).

Something you'll notice about me, especially as I coup around this forum. I love to argue for the sake of arguing. I dislike emotional outbursts, insults, and overall giving people a bad day. But I love the sport of testing people's opinions to the point of breaking or until new ones are forged in me. I also like testing myself, seeing how much stress I can take before breaking down myself.
So what does that make me? A tea-troll? Or perhaps just really bored?



This kinda made me chuckle.

Yeah thats why i said ill actually pay attention you now because youre worth listening to. Theres a difference between an argument and a flame war. But i dont expect people here to get that.


Edit: oh forgot to elaborate, i meant that even if Fonewearl is a "magical girl" it doesn't bother me because the show she's in (in this case videogame) isn't focused around "magicial girls". It's focused around the fighters and their goal. Now, i dont really care what she is.

It's fine to have a super buff guy, a loli, a magical girl, a sephiroth, and a vash the stampede all in one show. They just cant make up the whole show you know?

[Zorafim]

Mm... I like to make sure people truly believe in what they say they believe in, and if they don't, I'd like to think I helped them find some greater truth in the matter. And if it turns out they're right, then even better, as it cements their faith, and I get knowledge to boot.
If that's the same as busting people's chops over their views, then I suppose I do enjoy doing that.

So, um, you gonna stop calling crescent kicks roundhouses, then? Please? It'll make my life so much nicer.

[yoshiblue]

Glad I haven't argued with you. Let alone most people besides mich-man. Those are never serious though.

[NoiseHERO]

I don't think the way fonewearl fights is exactly weird though, especially not when it's set to be a normal way to fight in said universe.

As for looks... Post PSO mahou shoujo for sure, But PSO's still feels more like a coincidence, possibly because magical girls were still for girls back then. Then she dresses weird... but it's still not the right kind of cute-weird to be exact. If anything she looks kinda freaky... That face paint.

She just feels way more like an RPG character, than a Mahou Shoujo character to me. If anything she reminds me more of that little girl from seiken densetsu 3 minus the baggy clown pants.


edit: damn typo about fighting...

[Zorafim]

Glad I haven't argued with you. Let alone most people besides mich-man. Those are never serious though.

I'll catch you one of these days, and I'll make you enjoy it!


I don't think the way fonewearl fights is exactly weird though, especially not when it's set to be a normal way to fight in said universe.

As for looks... Post PSO mahou shoujo for sure, But PSO's still feels more like a coincidence, possibly because magical girls were still for girls back then. Then she dresses weird... but it's still not the right kind of cute-weird to be exact. If anything she looks kinda freaky... That face paint.

She just feels way more like an RPG character, than a Mahou Shoujo character to me. If anything she reminds me more of that little girl from seiken densetsu 3 minus the baggy clown pants.


edit: damn typo about fighting...

Hm... I'm finding it rather hard to disagree with you now. Certain combinations of FOnewearl did give off a creepy, tribal look. Face paint, unorthodox clothing, potent fighting power... Seen in the right light it does disrupt that cutesie look normally associated with, what did you call them, Mahou Shoujos? My view on what makes a magical girl is rather loose, simply equating to some sort of wand, magical abilities, and outlandish clothing, so it's rather hard to get to the core definition and see for sure if FOney fits or not.

[NoiseHERO]

Yoshi doesn't argue with people, he's the popcorn eating type.

[Zorafim]

Potato chips are a superior snack.
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did it work?

[RemiusTA]

Hm... I'm finding it rather hard to disagree with you now. Certain combinations of FOnewearl did give off a creepy, tribal look. Face paint, unorthodox clothing, potent fighting power...
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I loved Fonewearl. It had that unorthodox feeling that the rest of the characters had with a little bit more personality behind it, similar to Fonewm.

It's also worth noting, if you look at the official artwork, the artist never really drew Fonewearl looking very "young". She looked quite mature, if not a bit height challenged.

[ShinMaruku]

This is why you never fall for the hype. And as usual the marketing info cycle is so broken as always.