PSO2 should come to onlive

[Halo2redvsblue]

First off I swear I made an account 2 years ago but whatever.

I think Phantasy Star Online 2 will be really good for Onlive. They are only making a PC version. With onlive, Mac's users can play it as well with no porting issues for the sega team. In the future Tablets, phones, Tv's, Blu ray players and anything else onlive is on can play it. If they also would allow you to connect with PC user, that can be sweet. If you dont know what onlive is (alot still don't) go here. www.onlive.com (US) or www.onlive.co.uk (UK) (onlive is only in the US and UK right now) anyone else think so?

[Fenn777]

I just checked this out today. It looks great but the library's too small right now. Also my PC hates me and the internet's messed up. If I had it fixed I'd sign up and get my $1 game.

Honestly the idea is there it just needs to beef up a little.

[PrinceBrightstar]

The problem with that is the Onlive service renders everything on the far end. This in turn means the actions taken in game will not be instant and players may not be able to respond fast enough to real time attacks that monsters are doing.

Edit: Ok granted if you're fairly close to an OnLive data center it may work...however since the signal is going over the public internet you're still in danger of being affected by internet lag both from the connection from them to your ISP and from your ISP to your home. This is in addition also for the signal to travel from their data center to Sega's servers. If you're on an ISP that just doesn't care to help you fix that one little route that's causing lag or you're on a wifi/satellite connection, I wouldn't bother. The service really is best used for games where milliseconds don't count (meaning I wouldn't try FPS games either on it.)

[kyuuketsuki]

I guess. OnLive only appeals to me as possibly a sort of try-before-I-buy service. If I like a game enough to spend some real time with it, I'd much rather just buy it.

And uh... good luck playing PSO2 on your tablet/phone. :roll:

Oh wow, and they want me to pay full-price for a game so I can stream it from them? I assumed it was going to be a monthly subscription service. Yeah, no thanks.

[Macman]

Tachyons.

PSO2 as ran through MSPaint's JPG filter 4 times over!

[Fenn777]

I guess. OnLive only appeals to me as possibly a sort of try-before-I-buy service. If I like a game enough to spend some real time with it, I'd much rather just buy it.

And uh... good luck playing PSO2 on your tablet/phone. :roll:

Oh wow, and they want me to pay full-price for a game so I can stream it from them? I assumed it was going to be a monthly subscription service. Yeah, no thanks.

You can pay a monthly fee for a big package of games I'm pretty sure. As well as free demos.

[str898mustang]

if want PC gaming.....drop the MAC

[ThePendragon]

I'm guessing no one her has actually tried it. If you've got a good connection, the lag is not an issue, the games play so close to real-time you don't notice. The visuals are great and definitely better than what you'd get with an older PC. It also has a lot of cool extra features, so overall it's a great service. The only real issue is the lack of selection.

[Garnet_Moon]

Tax refunds are coming up. Get a real PC. $500 will be all you need since you already have a monitor or a TV. $700 total to not worry about a video card upgrade in the next 5 years.

[Dinosaur]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/subarashee/1319416042875.png

For $500, this thing will run every game you throw at it AT LEAST on medium settings. Yes, that includes BF3.

If you don't have a computer up to today's standards, now's the time to get one. They're cheap for what you can get these days.

[lostinseganet]

I want to see PSO 2 at max Settings.

[Dinosaur]

I want to see PSO 2 at max Settings.

This video shows a wide variety of in-game graphic settings.

http://vimeo.com/28277735

[lostinseganet]

This video shows a wide variety of in-game graphic settings.

http://vimeo.com/28277735Oh thank you.

[ThePendragon]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/subarashee/1319416042875.png

$500.

Not having to deal with putting a PC together and troubleshoot issues constantly, Priceless.

There are some things money can buy, for everything else, there's OnLive and Consoles. :-D

[NoiseHERO]

Not having to deal with putting a PC together and troubleshoot issues constantly, Priceless.

There are some things money can buy, for everything else, there's OnLive and Consoles. :-D

Nobody that's actually computer savvy actually calls technicians for help. And putting a PC together is like putting a beyblade together, just put the pop out the pieces and lock the parts that fit and rub the stickers on.

I don't care if you prefer consoles but don't act like things are hard for the sake of picking sides!

Anyone could say "I DON'T WANNA PAY MICROSOFT A HUNDRED BUCKS OUT OF MY ASS JUST SO I CAN HAVE MORE THAN 4 GIGS OF MEMORY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK A 7 YEAR OLD CONSOLE IS WORTH 200 DOLLARS!"

[RemiusTA]

putting a PC together is like putting a beyblade together


i love you Michaeru

[NoiseHERO]

i love you Michaeru

bwahaha god I hate that weaboo name, I hate 15 year old me, it was like me but shorter and I still liked japanese pop culture and it's the reason I draw like some wannabe tetsuya nomura so just call me Mike.

[RemiusTA]

my post rhymed though so its all cool brooooooooooo


edit: HAHA i just realized you japan'd your name by adding an "aru" to it

Remiusaru

Cool whiparu

Phantasy stah universaru







i used to use Sereph kitsune as my user name

[moorebounce]

Having PSO2 on Onlive would be like having it on the Xbox 360. Why would you want to pay both of them when on the PC you only have to pay Sega.

I actually got a whole year of free service of Onlive but couldn't get it to stop having connection issues and I was well over all the system requirements. I didn't trust it enough to stick with it. It's nice though. Onlive or a simular service would end game piracy.

[Macman]

Not having to deal with putting a PC together and troubleshoot issues constantly, Priceless.

There are some things money can buy, for everything else, there's OnLive and Consoles. :-DThis guy just reinforced the notion that computer illiterate schmucks who have no problem solving skills are the type of people who prefer consoles.

[RemiusTA]

The type of people who prefer consoles are the type of people who prefer consoles. Like guys who like fat chicks.



dont ask why, just take it for what it is.

[Nitro Vordex]

Not having to deal with putting a PC together and troubleshoot issues constantly, Priceless.

There are some things money can buy, for everything else, there's OnLive and Consoles. :-D
Putting together a PC pretty much requires that you make sure you don't have issues beforehand. If you have an issue, more than likely you dun goof'd.

I also agree(and love) Micheru's descrption. Very much like a Beyblade, haha. I thought of it as Lego's, which made it more fun than it probably should have been.

Even if it did take five hours for my first time putting it together.

[yoshiblue]

Good thing I call Mich, Mich. Other wise I call him Phones or Rock.

[NoiseHERO]

Good thing I call Mich, Mich. Other wise I call him Phones or Rock.

I hate Mich, D:

Rock is still valid.

Phones is too high maintenance.

[yoshiblue]

How about I just call you X

[Zorafim]

Rex Racer or GTFO

[yoshiblue]

Don't make me destroy you.

[Zorafim]

Bring it. (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/Zorafin/Disney%20Trip/8192-R1-24-1.jpg)

[yoshiblue]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs41/f/2009/013/b/c/Ike_Card_Crusher_Meme_by_Kidomax.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

But I still consider you a friend. So its all good.

[Enforcer MKV]

Unnecessary console hate aside, Let's just hope they release it here, first.

Yes, I know that they said they want to. Yes, I know that it'll probably be released here.

I like discussion and throwing ideas back and forth, but I think it'd be best to just release a box, and give people the option to download it from Sega themselves.

....And for pity's sake, enough with the console hate, already. Can't a normal human being like something and not worry about being treated like they're inferior by another damn person? Seriously, it doesn't matter which is better, because neither is. It's about preference. It's an opinion. And no one's is better than another.

[Macman]

Not my fault people think "PEECEES R TO HARD!"

[Fenn777]

Not my fault people think "PEECEES R TO HARD!"

Not everyone was born with a tablet in their hands. There are people with relatively impressive skill in other areas who, for whatever reason, can't grasp computers. Like how some people are math braniacs but can't write for crap and vise versa.

Other people just don't have the confidence (like me). They could do it, but they'd rather take the "easy" and the "safe" way out and get a console. Let's face it; it might not be rocket science, but one mistake and bye-bye new computer. With my luck I'd forget to ground myself first :)

Calling them illiterate shmucks is ignorant and elitist on your part. Why do you even care what they do? :-?

[NoiseHERO]

No ones really hating on consoles, it's just sad to say one is really better than the other. And then even more so for such a silly reason.

If you like consoles fine, no one cares, but don't make up excuses!

[Selphea]

inb4 PSO2 on Linux

[Fenn777]

No ones really hating on consoles, it's just sad to say one is really better than the other. And then even more so for such a silly reason.

If you like consoles fine, no one cares, but don't make up excuses!

I know most people here aren't being a jerk, it's those one or two people bashing people for not knowing how to build a PC that are pissing me off.

Also here's a valid reason for consoles, at least in the present-day: console-specific games. No Mario Kart for PC, sadly.

[Selphea]

No wai! PCs have better games! Like... um... Angry Birds and Sims Social?

[NoiseHERO]

No Mario Kart for PC, sadly.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF AAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGH- wait I don't even play PC games...

[RLbitClassica]

I would like PC gaming better if I had a comfortable desk to play PC games on but until then, consoles and handhelds win for me. As for onlive, I can't even say the name without rolling my eyes sarcastically in the process.

[ShadowDragon28]

....
*sigh*
No.

[Garnet_Moon]

Console specific titles? Pfft, Bleem!

PCs: 1
Consoles: -9,001

Are you guys even try---

Bleemcast!

Hahaha, PS1 games on Dreamcast... haha.

[ShadowDragon28]

i was a software tester for the in-development builds of Bleemcast... back when Bleem was in business in 2000... even got to go to E3 2000 and met Yuji Naka and saw early video for PSO. :)

[Macman]

I play both (mostly my DS) but it just annoys me when people's excuse is that PCs are too hard to work with.

Maybe I'm just too logical.

[Zorafim]

I swear, the only reason I'm studying computers is so I can play harder. Building my computer was like playing with Legos.

[yoshiblue]

To lazy and don't have the money to buy parts less I take it from a loan.

[ThePendragon]

This guy just reinforced the notion that computer illiterate schmucks who have no problem solving skills are the type of people who prefer consoles.


I work in IT. I have routinely taken apart latpops/desktops and electronic devices of all kinds to repair them for the past decade. Not to mention troubleshooting more types of software and driver isses than you likely even knew existed. I know enough about PC's to know that working on them is a pain in the ass, and a constant struggle I don't want to add to my videogame playing experience.

[RemiusTA]

PC GAMES ARE TRASH, IN FACT PC DOESNT EVEN HAVE ANY GAMES, STEAM IS FULL OF MEDICORE FPS GAMES AND WANNABE INDIE SHIT CONSOLES ARE THE BEST BECAUSE THEY HAVE EXCLUSIVES LIKE REACH AND INFAMOUS AND A CONTROLLER AND MY TV AND I DONT HAVE TO BUY TONS OF SHIT JUST TO GET SHIT TO WORK LIKE A CONSOLE WOULD OUT THE BOX LIKE UNLIKE PC AND MY CONSOLES DONT GET VIRUSES AND THE GAMES ALWAYS RUN THE SAME EVERYTIME I START IT UP AND I CAN INSTALL SHIT AND PLAY MUSIC WITHOUT IT SLOWING DOWN

PCS ARE FOR DELUSIONAL BASTARDS MY LOGIC IS IRREFUTABLE BECAUSE MY IQ STAT 255 AND MY GIRLFRIEND IS 5'11" TALL WITH BEAUTIFUL LEGS A GORGEOUS FACE HAZEL EYES AND PERFECT TITTIES

[Enforcer MKV]

whatisthisidonteven.jpg

....But seriously, wtf?

[Garnet_Moon]

I work in IT.
Sweet! I look forward to listening to this...


I have routinely taken apart latpops/desktops and electronic devices of all kinds to repair them for the past decade. Not to mention troubleshooting more types of software and driver isses than you likely even knew existed. I know enough about PC's to know that working on them is a pain in the ass, and a constant struggle I don't want to add to my videogame playing experience.

working on them is a pain in the ass, and a constant struggle

I work in IT
No, you do not. Either that or you know next to NOTHING on preventative maintenance. 5 minutes a week prolongs everything in your case.

My first computer lasted me almost a decade.

[RemiusTA]

Oh GREAT now everyone's a fucking IT specialist too



- wait has this shit seriously permeated 2 threads?

[yoshiblue]

I guess. Then can I call myself an ancient warfare specialist?

[RLbitClassica]

I heard somewhere that Jesus is an IT specialist too.

[kyuuketsuki]

I work in IT. I have routinely taken apart latpops/desktops and electronic devices of all kinds to repair them for the past decade. Not to mention troubleshooting more types of software and driver isses than you likely even knew existed. I know enough about PC's to know that working on them is a pain in the ass, and a constant struggle I don't want to add to my videogame playing experience.
Don't exaggerate. Past three rigs I've built, only issue I had was on my latest build having to RMA my SSD that stopped working after a month. Got a new one in a little over a week, reinstalled Windows, shazam. Well, that and I always sweat a little when I'm installing the CPU HSF... but that's just because I get nervous applying so much pressure on the mobo, right on top of the fragile CPU. And I kinda stink at applying thermal paste evenly without making a mess.

Only thing you can really say is you don't have the hassle of installing new drivers and software on consoles... but you do have to download updates for your consoles nowadays, and deal with their HDDs going bad (the HDD that came with my PS3 died and had to be replaced), I've heard of bad soldering on PS3s, optical drives wearing out/getting out of alignment, overheating, overpriced peripherals (controllers, wireless adapters, additional memory, etc.). Crap, every person I know who owned a 360 has experienced the Red Rings of Death at least once, and about half of them after it was out of warranty. Half of my customers I come across who have 360s/PS3s have them hooked up to their HDTV with composite (RCA) cables.

Consoles are not the havens of "It Just Works(tm)" some people make them out to be.

However, it's undeniable that people who build and maintain their own PCs are basically hobbyists, in the same way that people who build/maintain/upgrade their own cars are. And, just like cars, it's not a hobby for everyone and its rather unreasonable to assault those who aren't interested in engaging in that hobby as lazy or lacking intelligence. I don't buy pre-made cars and take it to a mechanic for maintenance/repair because I'm too stupid or lazy to do it myself... I'm just not really interested in investing the time/money/energy into it.

And yes, Remius, the PC vs. Console "discussion" will soon become the topic of every single thread on this forum. Mwahahaha.

[Noel Vermillion]

I used to be a PC gamer when I was a young girl! for like 10 years ._. but we couldn't cope with games not running/crashing/ruining the computer (thanks Theme Park World...) so we got a dreamcast :]

[Garnet_Moon]

I don't expect everyone to be able to take a 49 cent capacitor from Radio Shack, and fix a $300 monitor a friend was throwing away. I also don't expect everyone to have that very same monitor 2 years later.... but... have you opened up your PC case and took a can of compressed air inside? There's not as many wires as you might think, and it's hardly complicated. It's not a scary dimension in that case. There's hardly any risk of shock... unless you want it rough.

Of course, I taught myself just by looking at the mobo when replacing my first video card and then going from there. It's not a useless skill like being a motorcycle mechanic. Knowing your way around a PC, including software, can carry with it a very nice raise practically anywhere you go. And going that extra step to be certified to do so also usually carries a substantial raise too.

Everybody wants more money, and the skills you learn from it will help you realize OnLive is unnecessary. You'll also understand that you don't need a $3,000 alienware to play crysis or final fantasy xiv at max with no hiccups and constant 60 frames per sec.

[Halo2redvsblue]

I know I don't need a 2k pc to play any game on max but With the PC I have today I can't even run Crysis on max. With Onlive I dont have to spend Money on hardware just to play a game on high. I also Like knowing Im not tethered to one device. I can Play my games on a desktop, Laptop, Notebook, Mac, ipad, Andriod Tablets, Phones, TV's, Blue ray players. intel chips and more. Sega is already behind Onlive (VT 2009, AvP and more are on it) SO they may bring PSO2 to it. They want to bring out MMO's to onlive (Onlive not Sega.)

[ANIMEniac]

wisdom.

after reading this i was really hoping we could close this discussion, because this really is the final word... but then this happened:


Ignorance.

and i am back to my lost hope.

my 2 cents: back in 2003 when i started playing PSO, in about start of high school.. i was one of those unfortunate souls that could use the same program every1 else was using, and have it crash on me in 37 ways. hell.. i never played ragnarok online because of the 7 times i had tried to, i had 7 different types or terminal errors. needless to say, i was not comfortable with the idea of opening my case and touching anything, out of fear it would all turn to a pillar of salt. Nowadays, i actually just bought a new computer case and did the swap myself, got a new sound card and divided the outputs, and understand that the "F-keys" aren't all time bombs waiting to destroy your OS. but remember, not all of us are willing to take certain risks. also, flash back to when you were 11-12 years old.... ask your mom or dad to buy you a $500 computer so you can play a new game coming out, and record how long they laugh in your face for.

[Enforcer MKV]

Admins, could you please throw a lock on this thread? We would be most gracious if you would.

Thank you.

[NoiseHERO]

Guys...

I work in IT...

I know what I'm talking about when I say this is relevant to PSO2 not sucking.

[Kent]

I hereby proclaim that "working in IT" is now a memetic insult - like calling oneself a hardcore gamer, or a Mac user.

[ThePendragon]

It's very simple to dismiss claims on the internet, as easy as it is to make them. The question of whether or not working on a PC is a hassle is one of perspective. Whether you believe I work in IT or not is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is, any kind of effort involved in PC building, as well as configuration and maintenance is greater than just putting a disc in your console. That is not subjective. Even if you to include the act of unboxing and hooking up a console.

Maybe I'm just lazy as hell, but after dealing with people's issues all goddamn day long, the last thing I want to do is go home and work on a computer. Yes, it doesn't happen every single time you use your PC, but issues do arise and they arise far more often than you'll ever see on a console. Feel free to be dismissive and arrogant since apparently only you can have a valid perspective.

[NoiseHERO]

That's like saying I hate making hamburgers for my family because I work at mcdonalds and I'm too lazy to do something I used to doing But you wouldn't have a valid perspective because you don't work at IT- I mean Mcdonalds.

Which changes NUH-TING!

[PrinceBrightstar]

Sega has to invest interest in this game for a long time. Another problem with a service like onlive, especially since it's still fairly new, there's the opportunity for it to fail early in the game's life-cycle leaving those players stranded and forcing them to pick up the actual PC version. This in addition to the fact that this kind of service will soon hit a bubble thanks to competing services like Gaikai, and Gamestop's service requires Sega to select which service is right and hope that bubble doesn't burst. Now granted ANY of these services at any time could simply negotiate with Sega to release it with minimal support and they just get a nice large check.

[Macman]

Yes, it doesn't happen every single time you use your PC, but issues do arise and they arise far more often than you'll ever see on a console. Feel free to be dismissive and arrogant since apparently only you can have a valid perspective.Xbox 360.

[Garnet_Moon]

Yes, it doesn't happen every single time you use your PC, but issues do arise and they arise far more often than you'll ever see on a console. Feel free to be dismissive and arrogant since apparently only you can have a valid perspective.
I had my first PC for a decade until it finally gave up on me. In a little more than that same time I have gone through about 1 xbox, 4 xbox 360s, 2 ps3s, 4 PS2s, and 2 PSPs. Granted, one of the PSPs fell off my motorcycle, but I can still count it as a loss. So, 2 of those.

Completely irrelevant to PCs or consoles, I've had my atari lynx for 2 decades now. And yeah, it still plays ninja gaiden fine.

[ThePendragon]

The xbox is a unique case and the issue isn't present. Even then, the act of replacing one, which happened to me 3 times, took me half an hour. Walk into store, grab a new one, and give them the old one. This once every 6 months or so during launch.

[Fenn777]

Can we remember to factor in the time it takes to LEARN how computers work? Forget the time it takes to buy PC parts, have them shipped, and put it together: first you must invest the time to learn how a PC works, then what the different parts do and how they go together, and then more research learning about the options for parts you can buy, which ones are most efficient and cost-effective for the way you will use the PC, and finally decide what to get.

And then you have to buy the parts, have them shipped, and build it. And if you make a mistake, oh well! There goes anywhere from a few bucks to $500!

So yeah, saying "anyone who isn't computer illiterate can build a computer" is way different then saying "anyone who isn't illiterate can read a book." Fact is most gamers can read, far less know enough about a computer to build one without extensive research.

[NoiseHERO]

I LEARNI DIT IN HIGHSCHOL

LIK A BOSS

[Selphea]

o_O

Over here if you buy all the parts the shop offers free assembly. Pretty sure iBuyPower offers the same, probably NewEgg too.

Or you could just buy an Apple or something.

Not to mention, a computer today is about as necessary as a lifestyle item as a TV or Radio was 10 to 20 years ago. Over here they actually teach computers and programming in school to kids aged like, 10 or 12 or something. So the maintenance, however much or little there is will have to be done anyway.

The only real cost for a PC that can play games is the graphics card. Just about everything else - including basic technical proficiency with computers, is needed to sync the smartphone and tablet, watch Youtube, post on Facebook and Twitter, edit that home video, Photoshop your friend's head on some model's body etc.

Well, maybe a better power supply too, if you're using some awful 350W OEM power supply, but anyone who sticks with that is asking for trouble anyway.

btw, so far my computer has -never- acted up on me unless I intentionally made it act up to test the limits of its overclocking and undervolting capabilities.

[kyuuketsuki]

If you're on this forum, you're competent enough with computer software to use it for gaming. Hell, people who use their computer exclusively for Facebook and Farmville are competent enough to use it for gaming. I'm not sure where this idea that gaming on computer requires involved technical knowledge comes from.

If you can't (or won't) build your own PC... there are online boutiques where you can buy pre-configured and custom PC builds that don't require assembly or lengthy setup. And they generally come with a warranty and support.

[lantis-zagato]

I had my first PC for a decade until it finally gave up on me. In a little more than that same time I have gone through about 1 xbox, 4 xbox 360s, 2 ps3s, 4 PS2s, and 2 PSPs. Granted, one of the PSPs fell off my motorcycle, but I can still count it as a loss. So, 2 of those.

Completely irrelevant to PCs or consoles, I've had my atari lynx for 2 decades now. And yeah, it still plays ninja gaiden fine.

That's crazy. I have been a console player almost my entire life and I have never had to replace a system once because it failed on me. If anything I have had to replace/fi my computer more often. And once I had the RRoD which was covered under the warranty. Couldn't play the system for a month but that just forced me to play other games I might not have considered.

[NoiseHERO]

This argument is now about whether or not easier is smarter in terms of gaming platforms.

The deciding factor is how many people think they can change opinions in PC/console wars.

[Fenn777]

If you're on this forum, you're competent enough with computer software to use it for gaming. Hell, people who use their computer exclusively for Facebook and Farmville are competent enough to use it for gaming. I'm not sure where this idea that gaming on computer requires involved technical knowledge comes from.

If you can't (or won't) build your own PC... there are online boutiques where you can buy pre-configured and custom PC builds that don't require assembly or lengthy setup. And they generally come with a warranty and support.

Pardon? I'm on this forum, so I have the capacity to go pick out parts and have a computer manufactured/manufacture one myself?


Another console benefit: splitscreen. And if anyone gives me the "we're beyond that" crap I'm going to go off on them. Being able to play with three other gamers in one room using only 1 system and game is economic and valuable to many gamers.

[Macman]

Screenlookers.

[Fenn777]

Screenlookers.

Oh I get it. I stumbled into the sarcasm thread. Sorry, I'm still new hear, can someone direct me to the PSO2 forums?

[Selphea]

You're in the wrong place. Over here we play splitscreen offline.

[RemiusTA]

This argument is never going to end, is it?





O WELL time to troll this topic closed WHOS WITH ME

[chibiLegolas]

I've watched my husband use onlive and I liked the concept. The game he was playing ran smoothly, and pretty for an older game. I thought it was crazy that the browser (?) can stream so many players at the same time. And we could observe what others are playing, real time. The only thing holding this company back are the selections and price point/package.

Hell, give us PSO eps. 1&2 if they're looking for older titles.

[Jonth]

I heard Microsoft was going to buy Sony and Nintendo for the sole purpose of shutting down the competition. Then, they are going to discontinue their own console. They will then standardize the gaming PC. They thought about buying Apple out, but then everyone in the meeting burst out in laughter at the thought of Apple being legitimate competition. Or so the rumor is.

...How's that Remius?