2nd Media Briefing date & time

[Mike]

The date and time for the second "media briefing" have been announced on Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/sega_pso2/status/183063810704281601).

Date: March 26th
Time: 1:30 pm
Place: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv86290530

You will need to change these times to whatever the timezone where you live is. It may end up being Sunday night or early Monday morning depending on where you live.

EDIT: It's scheduled to run for 40 minutes according to 4Gamer (http://www.4gamer.net/games/120/G012075/20120323034/).
EDIT 2: For those of you who don't have a Niconico account:

You can make an account on the english website(niconico.com) and your account will work on the japanese website(nicovideo.jp).
EDIT 3: Here's some new info:
Smart phone version
Data is shared between all three versions
All three versions will be free to download
Free to play with certain items purchasable with "Arcs Cash"
Symbol chat is back
Beta starts late April
Character creater demo available April 5th
Beta level cap is 30
Special weapons are definetly back
A "Title Counter" exists (PSP2-ish?)
Medical Counter can bestow temporary buffs ( like Sayo in PSP2?)
Shop item for rooms
Arks Card (the new partner card/guild card)
A "Friend Partner System" (looks like Infinity's support character feature where you can bring friends characters with you on missions as NPCs)
Teams (guilds) with team flags made from symbol chat
Client Orders (ala PSP2)
New costumes, techs, skills, PAs
Official services planned for summer 2012

[NoiseHERO]

Soon, it'll be time...

For the REAL media briefing...

Curious about this 4th revolution thingie.

[MelancholyWitch]

so it's 3 hours or so before the time that the first media briefing was?

[Rei-San]

This will be a happy few days for me. First the new Gears of War 3 DLC is coming on the 27th, and now this the day before. ^^


I'm ready for that beta test info baybeh! :D

[Mike]

so it's 3 hours or so before the time that the first media briefing was?
It starts an hour and a half before the previous one did.

[ShadowDragon28]

yes! Should be veeery interesting. Hopefully Sakai will announce when the Closed beta is going to be.

[Ce'Nedra]

yes! Should be veeery interesting. Hopefully Sakai will announce when the Closed beta is going to be.

I rather have info if it will release outside of Japan at all tbh.

[Cayenne]

Sweet.

[Setsuna00G]

I just love the music in this game.

[MelancholyWitch]

this isn't in a few hours is it?

[•Col•]

this isn't in a few hours is it?

24 hours and 15 minutes away from this post... >_>

[MelancholyWitch]

ouch yeah kinda figured I was a bit off just a whole day, thanks.

[D-Inferno]

Anyone here planning on streaming this for those who don't have Nico Nico?

[oOSAROo]

omg..i will sleep but i can´t ..xD in Austria is it 4:45 AM ^^

[Mike]

If you press the yellow button with a clock on it in the grey box next to the doors, you can watch the stream later. You need to press the yellow button once, then press the yellow button in the confirmation box that pops up afterward.

[oOSAROo]

If you press the yellow button with a clock on it in the grey box next to the doors, you can watch the stream later. You need to press the yellow button once, then press the yellow button in the confirmation box that pops up afterward.

thanks !!

[Kinujou]

is there anything i have to do to be able to watch this? (like register or something) if so can someone direct me in a direction to where I can do so before it starts @_@!

[•Col•]

is there anything i have to do to be able to watch this? (like register or something) if so can someone direct me in a direction to where I can do so before it starts @_@!

http://hirokache.com/nico.php

[D-Gold]

is there anything i have to do to be able to watch this? (like register or something) if so can someone direct me in a direction to where I can do so before it starts @_@!

I am pretty sure you have to register.
You can find some registration guides to help you make an account by searching google.

[Dinosaur]

You can make an account on the english website(niconico.com) and your account will work on the japanese website(nicovideo.jp).

Worked for me, but the other way around. I have a jp nico account and can log into niconico.com with it.

EDIT: Confirmed.

[MelancholyWitch]

30 minutes left to go?

[Mike]

Yup. The "doors open" in 20 and the show starts in 30 (or so) minutes.

[Rei-San]

I can't log in my NicoNico! :o

I we got 10 min. left! :(

[Kion]

*Reading the comments; everybody is gossiping about the monthly-fee.

[cheapgunner]

Is the video on niconico for the breifing say Nico Nico live with banners going across the video?:P

[NoiseHERO]

If you see "PSO2 IS SO MOE~" go past the screen, it's probably me.

[Setsuna00G]

Super hyped for this

[Rei-San]

It's starting!

[r00tabaga]

Monthly fee eh?

[RikkiBlackNanobeast]

What a time for record-ripping the Forest BGM that just played on this stream, to not work. XC

I will get that BGM someday, SOMEDAY. *fistshake*

[Blueblur]

The new music that's playing right now sounds great.

[Mag-X]

OMG the bass is cranked up high for this thing.

[Rei-San]

What did they say about Vita?


I laughed when I saw the comments about PSO2 on mobile devices. XD



....Wait, WHAT?!?!

[Kion]

PC + Vita + SmartPhone

*linked servers, you can access your character from any one of them.

So you can play at home, play on the train with your vita or smartphone on the go. Or as Sakai says, "anyone can play anywhere at anytime with anyone".

[Mike]

Smart phone version you say?

[NoiseHERO]

iPod, never gonna hear the end of that...

Saw it coming though.

[Mag-X]

OMG it's going to be on phones now too? Ugh.

[Spellbinder]

HOLY CRAP!! On the smart phone O_O

[Vashyron]

Well I guess that's that.jpg

[RikkiBlackNanobeast]

Sega certainly has guts to try it out on smart phones...though with the size of that general smart phone, I'd think it'd go on iPads only.

But it would be crazy to play this game on my iPhone 3GS, still. XD

[Kion]

I wonder how they're going to pull off the smartphone interface. As of android 4.0 usb controllers will be supported. Asus slider might be work.

But he says, "social game" for the smart phone. So it's probably going to be pretty slimmed down.

[D-Gold]

eh!? ehhh!? EEEEHHHHHHH!?

(my thoughts about the smartphone concept)

[cheapgunner]

Well, looks like Vita will be my next goal after a computer. o.0

[Mag-X]

iOS and Android only? Double lame.

[Mike]

So the smarth phone version isn't the same as the PC version. It will share the data with the PC/Vita versions but be solo only (I think, sound off so I can't tell).

[Kion]

As for the vita:
- It's for the players who dont have an up to date pc
- or for pc players who want to play on the go
- Updates can be downloaded to the vita
- The graphics will be toned down a little but according to Sakai, the game runs fine

For the smartphone
- you can check your mail
- or check the status of your shop
it's not the main game, but the social aspect of your game.

[Spellbinder]

It's loud where I'm watching so I can't hear everything, but it aside from a simplified character creator and controls, the smart phone version is separate game (although it can use PC game data?) for more social functionality. Anybody who can hear more clearly please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Kion]

Also it looks like they're putting most of their effort into the pc version.

[•Col•]

Saw a new weapon type in that new trailer.. Looked like Daggers or something. Didn't really get a good look at them.

Also... PSO2 for smartphones too now? -_- Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh.....

[Mag-X]

FUCK. It keeps kicking me out and giving me an error message about a premium account.

[Kion]

Free download!

[Mike]

All games will be free to download.

[r00tabaga]

What will happen if you get a phone call? Lame. If it was on a smartphone for like the character creator or just to see your progress/level, then that'd be cool but this worries me!

[Mike]

And f2p with purchasable items.

[Kion]

Free play with buying more items.

[Rei-San]

For the smartphone
- you can check your mail
- or check the status of your shop
it's not the main game, but the social aspect of your game.

Well, that makes better since.

[Kion]

Damn I gotta bounce. Bank closes at 3pm here.

[uhawww]

Freemium Model.
Good move in the end.
I'm not a huge fan, but I'll deal.

[•Col•]

Wait what. It's free to download AND free to play?

[Vashyron]

Haha, there I heard it, the elusive Arkscash.

[Rei-San]

I got kicked... T_T

[Mag-X]

It seems it doesn't kick you out if you don't full screen it.

[NoiseHERO]

If you get kicked you can just go back a page...

F2P... let's see how that plays out...

Glad the smartphone isn't a main game.

[r00tabaga]

And f2p with purchasable items.

I'll be able to D/L all three versions, cool! I didn't think that the game would be on a phone. Actually liking this news a lot!

And I'm sure those cash shops will be taking my $$$.

[MelancholyWitch]

LOL symbol chat is back, owned.

[Mike]

Symbol chat!

[Rei-San]

Let me get this right...

The game is free to download on the PC, or just the phone?

[r00tabaga]

Ok, living in NY....how the duck am I supposed to sleep now?!?

[Mike]

The game is free to download on the PC, or just the phone?
It's free on PC, Vita, and smart phone.

And I've been bumped. Crap.

[Mag-X]

Ok, living in NY....how the duck am I supposed to sleep now?!?

It's only 10pm here. West coast is best coast. :P

[Dinosaur]

I saw female characters with different animations from males!

[Rei-San]

Ok, living in NY....how the duck am I supposed to sleep now?!?


How do you think I feel? It's 1 am over here and I have to stop myself from squealing like a little bitch while my family's asleep.

[MelancholyWitch]

hope someone is recording.

[NoiseHERO]

FISTS ARE IN!

But only a promo weapon so far.

GOOD ENOUGH.jpg

[Mag-X]

So... what did he say about the closed beta testing? It looked like he said it starts next month?

[D-Gold]

FISTS ARE IN!

But only a promo weapon so far.

GOOD ENOUGH.jpg

Can't believe I missed that. This is good news

[Mike]

Did anyone catch the beta dates? I got bumped out just as that part was starting.

[Rei-San]

I'm completely locked out! :cry:

[•Col•]

Did anyone catch the beta dates? I got bumped out just as that part was starting.

If I saw it right... It was April 5th. D:

I could be wrong though. Video was skipping a lot.

[Vashyron]

Espio translated that the Beta is near the end of April and it seems like we'll be able to create characters and benchmark them at 5th of April.

[Blueblur]

According to a user on NeoGAF:

Beta starts 2nd half of April.
Character creator available April 5th

[D-Gold]

I'm completely locked out! :cry:

its over now.

[Polantaris]

If I saw it right... It was April 5th. D:

I could be wrong though. Video was skipping a lot.

I think it was saying there is a Pre-Testing Character Creation that starts on the 5th. It said something about characters, 4/5, and it showed character creation.

I could be wrong though, I have limited knowledge of Japanese.

So what got confirmed?
I saw Claws or maybe Fists, was hard to tell which it was. Also, was that a Longsword type weapon they showed for a few seconds, or just a fancy looking Sword?
I think I saw an Assault Rifle type weapon too. Near the end of the later video I saw a Hunter with a gun that burst fired.
Saw a new Technic too, I think, but nothing major for Forces.

[Mike]

4gamer has already got an article up on the subject. Sneaky sneaky.

http://www.4gamer.net/games/120/G012075/20120326010/

And apparently, beta test applications start being accepted around 4pm today.

[Rei-San]

Damn that was fast. O_O

[Ryudo]

Character creator available April 5th but beta doesnt start until the second half of april

[Rei-San]

Any idea how we join?

[•Col•]

Honestly I'm scared about the whole free to play idea.... D:

This means they REALLY have to work on making people want to pay money for in-game items..... And the easiest way to do that is make things a lot more difficult for players who don't buy the items. ;-;

[Mike]

Any idea how we join?
If you've signed up for a Sega ID and the newsletter, you're probably already set but there hasn't been any info added on that yet.

[Polantaris]

4gamer has already got an article up on the subject. Sneaky sneaky.

http://www.4gamer.net/games/120/G012075/20120326010/

And apparently, beta test applications start being accepted around 4pm today.

People who were in A2 that got to Level 10 or higher are auto entered into the Beta, correct? We don't have to do anything? I would hate to assume that and then find out I needed to click a button on the PSO2 site or something.

[Soul Guardian]

Honestly I'm scared about the whole free to play idea.... D:

This means they REALLY have to work on making people want to pay money for in-game items..... And the easiest way to do that is make things a lot more difficult for players who don't buy the items. ;-;

Personally I expect optional outfits and old PSO weapons and shit. Oh, and probably MAG related items.

[D-Gold]

Any idea how we join?

I was wondering about this too.
Do we just have to sign up for the newsletter or is there a separate form to fill out?

[•Col•]

I'm assuming there's going to be a separate form we'll have to fill out to sign up for the Beta... Obviously will require a SEGA ID though. So if you don't have that yet, you may want to do that first.

[Rei-San]

I just hope this free to play thing apply to the localization. At first i thought it was free to download but has a monthly fee, but now I can see that we don't pay jack shit.


Hmm... This is a ballsy move Sega...

One way they could make money and keep online free is that the do collabs again. Those were fun.

[Dinosaur]

Honestly I'm scared about the whole free to play idea.... D:

This means they REALLY have to work on making people want to pay money for in-game items..... And the easiest way to do that is make things a lot more difficult for players who don't buy the items. ;-;

PSP2i seems to be doing fine with their cash shop. The items they offer are really cool and unique as well as not costing a fortune. On top of that, they are constantly adding new items, some of which are absolutely free!

[Mag-X]

I would think there will be a way to sign up on the website once they start getting ready for the beta test. If it isn't until the end of next month, we probably don't have to worry about signing up tonight.

[•Col•]

PSP2i seems to be doing fine with their cash shop. The items they offer are really cool and unique as well as not costing a fortune. On top of that, they are constantly adding new items, some of which are absolutely free!

People had to pay to get the game in the first place though. >_>

For this, you don't have to pay for ANYTHING...

I might just be somewhat paranoid... But anyone here who has tried playing Grand Chase (without buying anything from the cash shop right away) will sympathize with how I feel.

[Remius]

Freemium left a bad taste in my mouth that whole broadcast. Yuck.


Vita was a surprise. Smartphone support an even bigger one. F2P+Cash Shop is a sad realization that this game also is a victim of current gaming economy. All of these are surprises...but now alot of things are starting to make sense, specifically the visuals. Sort of.


RPG aspects...look like PSU's RPG aspects (aka mediocre.) But only in the cutscenes -- i saw some interesting looking interaction with some storymode object. Hopefully the enemy AI will be representative of the NPC AI. But overall im not very worried. If the Interrupt events are any indication, i think they'll have the quests done pretty well in this one.




Just the Beta gameplay part. It's one of the only times i didn't get kicked.

http://youtu.be/ehrVNC0SJF0


Enjoy

[Mike]

Personally I expect optional outfits and old PSO weapons and shit. Oh, and probably MAG related items.
It said there wouldn't be any high level items available so I don't think mag items or weapons will be available but costumes are 120% likely.


People who were in A2 that got to Level 10 or higher are auto entered into the Beta, correct? We don't have to do anything? I would hate to assume that and then find out I needed to click a button on the PSO2 site or something.
I'm pretty sure we don't have to do anything but if we do, you can be sure that there'll be a notice about it here.

[NoiseHERO]

I just hope this free to play thing apply to the localization. At first i thought it was free to download but has a monthly fee, but now I can see that we don't pay jack shit.


Hmm... This is a ballsy move Sega...

One way they could make money and keep online free is that the do collabs again. Those were fun.

I think free to play would make MORE sense to attract a western audience. D:

Since we're all cheap bastards and PSO isn't popular in 'merica.

[Mag-X]

I've played quite a few free MMOs. Most are just fine without ever buying anything from the cash shop. Some, like Dragon Nest, are basically in demo mode until you buy an absurd amount of crap from their premium store.

[Mike]

I just hope there's no stamina thing. I hate when stamina bars (or the like) prevent you from doing missions.

[Remius]

F2P usually means crap for gameplay, but it is 100% the best option for localization.


....well, if the servers are still shared. In which case they just need to translate and provide the option for the free client. Either way, it's a foot past the hardest door to get in for the western audience -- convincing people to spend money to play the game.


Download, play, get hooked, buy stuff.

[Blueblur]

Gaming site Andriasang has a story up. (http://andriasang.com/con0dx/pso2_detailed/) What's noteworthy is that the servers will "allow 24 hour play". Does this mean no more having to stay up to 4am to play like with the Alpha tests? :P

[Misaki Ki]

I just hope there's no stamina thing. I hate when stamina bars (or the like) prevent you from doing missions.

I've only really seen them in games that have Korean roots. Has there been many Japanese games with them?

[Zaix]

I just hope there's no stamina thing. I hate when stamina bars (or the like) prevent you from doing missions.

That would be the absolute worst thing they could do to the game at this point...

[Polantaris]

You guys are all acting like PSO2 is already confirmed to be Pay2Win. This is not necessarily true. It all depends on how they do it. They could simply make the items you purchase in the cash shop quick ways to get rare items, vanity items, and My Room items. There's nothing in the world of F2P Cash Shops that say the Cash Shops have to be P2W. Just because other companies have done it wrong does not mean it's impossible to do it right.

[Akiyama]

I don't see how people are feeling down on the free to play model with cash shop. If you love what you're playing and want to give them your money, you can. If you feel you can't afford that, you don't have to. If you feel PSO2 isn't for you, you can stop playing without thinking "but all the monies I sunk into it..."

It's a win-win. Plus, unlike bigger MMO companies (sup FFXIV/Squeenix) who rushed their product out, PSO2's been delayed so they can fix things. People who've done alpha tests.. they've liked it for the most part, right?

I think a F2P PSO2 will be just fine with a cash shop. Especially for cash shopped individuals such as myself.. it'll definitely be a good thing.

[•Col•]

I just hope there's no stamina thing. I hate when stamina bars (or the like) prevent you from doing missions.

This is exactly what I'm worried about... ;-;

[Akiyama]

I seriously doubt there will be a stamina model. Most games that even have a stamina model in Korea that get moved here (Dragon nest for instance) have their stamina models changed as it is.

I truthfully think we'll get a good MMO that's worth paying for, that'll actually be free and run by a stable company (of sorts).. unlike people (like me) who play DN and have to deal with Nexon's ineptitude.

[Polantaris]

If there was going to be a Stamina system, it would have already been implemented. It's a core feature, and one they would have wanted input on a long time ago.

How does Free 2 Play equate to Stamina system anyway? There's no correlation. All games that had Stamina systems did not have a way to "buy back" your Stamina. It reset at 00:00 server time, and that's it. If you ran out, too bad. There was nothing you could do.

Plus, Korea has long since proved that Stamina systems simply do not work. Everyone knows this at this point.

[Soul Guardian]

It said there wouldn't be any high level items available so I don't think mag items or weapons will be available but costumes are 120% likely.


Is that so~

Well, as long as it's just costumes and non-gamebreaking stuff like exp or drop boosts or extra storage space or whatever than it doesn't bother me. Now as long as they don't put any asinine restrictions on it.....

[Mag-X]

If they do it like PSU, it should be fine. I never really felt like I needed anything from the premium store, but there was a lot of things I wanted. It was mostly costumes and hairstyles and stuff.

[Yamishi]

So, here's my concern: Got a Windows Phone with 1.5 years left on my contract.

Can someone translate "Please port the smartphone app to Windows Phone" to Japanese for me and show me where I can send it to the dev crew? :3

[Remius]

I don't see how people are feeling down on the free to play model with cash shop. If you love what you're playing and want to give them your money, you can. If you feel you can't afford that, you don't have to. If you feel PSO2 isn't for you, you can stop playing without thinking "but all the monies I sunk into it..."

It's a win-win. Plus, unlike bigger MMO companies (sup FFXIV/Squeenix) who rushed their product out, PSO2's been delayed so they can fix things. People who've done alpha tests.. they've liked it for the most part, right?

I think a F2P PSO2 will be just fine with a cash shop. Especially for cash shopped individuals such as myself.. it'll definitely be a good thing.

There is no indication that it'll be a huge problem, but the possibilities for cash shop abuse are endless. Especially in Phantasy Star.

Mag feeding/cells, Grinding rates, Character customization, blah blah blah. I have no issue with a mission here and there, but if they design the game to force you to pay everytime you want a chance to do something (upgrade/whatever) then the game becomes Pay-To-Win.


F2P Cash Shop games can easily ruin things like Phantasy Star because they can take things that were previously cosmetic or extra (like PSO's multiple Mag Evolutions and cells, PSU's trade outfits, hairstyles and visual unit drops) and make you pay for them instead. As long as they keep the pool of in-game acquirable things high, it wont be an issue. I have faith that they won't try and choke us like the Koreans though. And i highly doubt we'll get a stamina bar.

[MelancholyWitch]

they did mention that sign up would start at 4 pm their time? maybe you just need to put in your sega id on their website I hope.

[Polantaris]

If they do it like PSU, it should be fine. I never really felt like I needed anything from the premium store, but there was a lot of things I wanted. It was mostly costumes and hairstyles and stuff.

*Cough*Premium.

[D-Inferno]

The lack of Wind techniques is a little irritating...

[ShadowDragon28]

Oh boy the doom and gloomers are back to bash and gripe.

I am immensely happy the game is free to play. I am sure the "Arcs Cash Shop" will be Costumes, Special vanity Accessories, and special Room Decorations.

I am soo happy that I don't have to sale my blood each month just for the money to play the game each month.lol

[Mike]

If there was going to be a Stamina system, it would have already been implemented. It's a core feature, and one they would have wanted input on a long time ago.
I think the data miners would have found a menu graphic or something for it but it wouldn't have to be in from the start. You'd just have to visualize the counter and it's max/min positions.


How does Free 2 Play equate to Stamina system anyway? There's no correlation. All games that had Stamina systems did not have a way to "buy back" your Stamina. It reset at 00:00 server time, and that's it. If you ran out, too bad. There was nothing you could do.
Sure there was. I don't usually play f2p mos but the last one I did used a stamina system system with the ability to purchase your way back in to missions. I think the name of the game in the US is Vindictus. You payed for a ship for with biweekly alloted coins. If you used up all your coins, you could purchase more from the cash shop.


Plus, Korea has long since proved that Stamina systems simply do not work. Everyone knows this at this point.
They seem to be profitable enough to keep showing up.

[Dinosaur]

Things I saw in particular:

-Ranger can go prone
-Homing laser rifle PA (a bunch of new PAs for that matter)
-Max level 25?
-Tekker, Medical Center, Parts/Cloths shop

[Akiyama]

There is no indication that it'll be a huge problem, but the possibilities for cash shop abuse are endless. Especially in Phantasy Star.

Mag feeding/cells, Grinding rates, Character customization, blah blah blah. I have no issue with a mission here and there, but if they design the game to force you to pay everytime you want a chance to do something (upgrade/whatever) then the game becomes Pay-To-Win.


F2P Cash Shop games can easily ruin things like Phantasy Star because they can take things that were previously cosmetic or extra (like PSO's multiple Mag Evolutions and cells, PSU's trade outfits, hairstyles and visual unit drops) and make you pay for them instead. As long as they keep the pool of in-game acquirable things high, it wont be an issue. I have faith that they won't try and choke us like the Koreans though. And i highly doubt we'll get a stamina bar.

Right. If they force you to pay for a "Premium Account" of sorts, much like another game I play (World of Tanks) where Premium gives you 50% Money/Exp more.. then yeah, Pay 2 Win is fail fail fail, but I dunno if they'd go that route. PSO just seems like a game that'd make you want to make your character super pretty or something.

Yeah. As long as they keep stuff accessible much like it was in PSO.. and then just make some extra costumes here and there, hair, maybe even weapon skins or whatever.. then I'm fine with that. As long as they don't touch things that actually affect the progress of your character and the rate at which you gain things.

99.9% chance I say that we don't get a stamina bar.

[Kinujou]

Sure there was. I don't usually play f2p mos but the last one I did used a stamina system system with the ability to purchase your way back in to missions. I think the name of the game in the US is Vindictus. You payed for a ship for with biweekly alloted coins. If you used up all your coins, you could purchase more from the cash shop.

I remember that, they removed the system peremently after EVERYBODY joined vindictus for the event when they removed it temporarily

[Akiyama]

Was going to say.. yeah. Vindictus is run by Nexon now and they don't use any sort of 'stamina bar' anymore, much like Dragon Nest's fatigue bar was changed.

[Polantaris]

I think the data miners would have found a menu graphic or something for it but it wouldn't have to be in from the start. You'd just have to visualize the counter and it's max/min positions.
Considering how much they care about the input from players, it would have been. They would have included it to make sure that people were okay with it. They're changing things left and right to adapt to what the players want, Stamina is a serious system that could make or break the game for A LOT of players. It would have been in the Alpha.


Sure there was. I don't usually play f2p mos but the last one I did used a stamina system system with the ability to purchase your way back in to missions. I think the name of the game in the US is Vindictus. You payed for a ship for with biweekly alloted coins. If you used up all your coins, you could purchase more from the cash shop.
Funny. I played Vindictus two months ago and it lacked any such system.

Every game that had Stamna systems have also had them removed in the last year or so, if not earlier. Dragon Nest, Vindictus, Dungeon Fighter, Atlantica Online, and many more games. Every game that had Stamina when that was the "in" thing for F2P kMMOs also removed them after they realized it only annoyed players. Stamina is a dead concept.

You should also take into account that every game with a Stamina system is also a KOREAN MMO. This isn't a Korean MMO.

[oOSAROo]

F2P = Not Xbox360 and Playstaion3 Version?:-?

[Remius]

I would never have an issue with F2P+Cash Shop if the games that used them wern't designed around them. Like Stamina Bars, Upgrade Shops, exp rates and other things that choke you into continously paying for the same item to enjoy the game.

As long as everything in PSO2's cash shop stays cosmetic, i wont have an issue. Maybe pay for a new pack of quests (ONCE) every now and then, and new areas when they make them. I think that's fair, seeing as the game is free. But anything else is a no-no.

[NoiseHERO]

Fist are in!

I'm gonna fist so many things that you'll find my gameplay videos on adult websites...

So pretty much this game is gonna be perfect for me so far. :0

Still iffy on the cashshop... I don't wanna buy that ONE outfit I like, then 8 out of 10 other people are wearing the same outfit, because it's the best looking one, but they also paid for it so they're gonna use it and FFAUDFHADFADFADF STOP DRESSING YOUR CHARACTERS LIKE MINE GET YOUR OWN SWAG!

Hopefully there's a good balance on ingame outfits/items/hairstyles and arcs cash ones, even though I'll be buying both regardless...

[•Col•]

Funny. I played Vindictus two months ago and it lacked any such system.

You said no such model ever existed. Mike pointed out that Vindictus was one of them, even if it may not be anymore. You were wrong, dude. :/

I know I've played one or two where this was also present... Although I can't think of what game it was... It may have been Grand Chase or Dynasty Warriors Online...

Anyway, I have a feeling there will be certain "special" missions that you can buy in the cash shop to play... Even if it isn't a stamina type thing.

[Akiyama]

Oh no. Some people will have access to a mission here and there that others don't due to them paying for it..

Honestly, the best we should do is just wait and see. If it turns out to be a huge flop.. at least we didn't pay 50$ for a game and a 10-15$ monthly fee to discover "Hey, this sucks."

[Soul Guardian]

Anyway, I have a feeling there will be certain "special" missions that you can buy in the cash shop to play... Even if it isn't a stamina type thing.

Didn't PSU's shop do this? Where they had like special drops of gimmicky weapons and such (like Motav Prophecy or whatever the PSU version of that was called, I dunno)

[Yamishi]

As far as free-to-play with stamina-type meters goes... what about Spiral Knights? You know, that other free MMO-style game by Sega?

Still, out of all the news we got today, the only part that bugs me is no Windows Phone support. :/

[Mike]

Funny. I played Vindictus two months ago and it lacked any such system.
Then perhaps you could explain why platinum tokens still show up here (http://heroes.nexon.co.jp/pointitem/itemshop.aspx)?



Considering how much they care about the input from players, it would have been. They would have included it to make sure that people were okay with it. They're changing things left and right to adapt to what the players want, Stamina is a serious system that could make or break the game for A LOT of players. It would have been in the Alpha.
They've used player opinion to change basic gameplay things but never mentioned anything about money until now. Also given that the first two alphas were very limited, not only in time but in player-base, having a stamina system would defeat the purpose of the tests.


Every game that had Stamna systems have also had them removed in the last year or so, if not earlier.
Not in Japan.


You should also take into account that every game with a Stamina system is also a KOREAN MMO. This isn't a Korean MMO.
FF14 originally had a stamina system of a sorts, yeah? I don't think SE is Korean. They did ditch it though but that doesn't mean that Sega won't try something similar.

Make no mistake, I don't want a stamina system but I wouldn't put it above Sega to try one out.

[Akiyama]

As far as free-to-play with stamina-type meters goes... what about Spiral Knights? You know, that other free MMO-style game by Sega?

Still, out of all the news we got today, the only part that bugs me is no Windows Phone support. :/

Forgot about that. I guess mainly because the game's...fairly awful, Lol.

IMO anyway.

[Polantaris]

You said no such model ever existed. Mike pointed out that Vindictus was one of them, even if it may not be anymore. You were wrong, dude. :/

A small mistake that does not shake my argument what so ever. Vindictus used to have a Stamina system. It does not anymore. What does that say? It was an utter failure. This is backed up by the other comments about how Vindictus became popular after they removed it. No one wanted to deal with it. Who can blame them?

Stamina is a concept introduced by Korea to stop massive MMO playing that was killing lives. When it failed, they switched to the midnight ban and similar laws. The systems should have never reached the US/Japan in the first place. At this point, after they have been proven to do more harm than good, SEGA would have to be absolutely moronic to even contemplate introducing the system to PSO2. Add that to my other points, and I can guarantee you there will not be a Stamina system.



Then perhaps you could explain why platinum tokens still show up here (http://heroes.nexon.co.jp/pointitem/itemshop.aspx)?

Knowing personally how Nexon works, that screenshot is probably Ancient. Show me an actual in-game screenshot, and I'll be less against you on this matter. Besides, being in the Cash Shop does NOT mean that it is actually purchased. There's tons of items in the Japanese MapleStory Cash Shop that's simply never purchased, because it's useless or too expensive. I know this for a fact. Just because it's still present does not mean people buy it. They leave it in the Cash Shop because, well why not? There's a very slim chance someone might buy Nexon Points for them. It costs them nothing to keep them in there.


They've used player opinion to change basic gameplay things but never mentioned anything about money until now. Also given that the first two alphas were very limited, not only in time but in player-base, having a stamina system would defeat the purpose of the tests.

Let's say that you're right. Then just change Alpha to Beta. If it's not in Beta, it's most certainly not going to be in the final product.


Not in Japan.
Maybe not EVERY game in Japan, but still a vast majority of them.


FF14 originally had a stamina system of a sorts, yeah? I don't think SE is Korean. They did ditch it though but that doesn't mean that Sega won't try something similar. One of the main complaints about FF14 was that the development team was indeed Korean based. Was one of the many excuses I've heard as to why it started off so crappy.


Make no mistake, I don't want a stamina system but I wouldn't put it above Sega to try one out. SEGA isn't stupid. I've heard a lot about SEGA apparently having money issues. They're not going to choke out their own game.

[Ryudo]

F2P = Not Xbox360 and Playstaion3 Version?:-?

Sony are definitely allowing f2p on their systems, cant speak for microsoft though, but sony have issued statements about it recently with regard to dust 514

going by images in the datamining thread I'm guessing one of the major things is going to be you have a limited storage space and need to buy more

[Akiyama]

FF14 originally had a stamina system of a sorts, yeah? I don't think SE is Korean. They did ditch it though but that doesn't mean that Sega won't try something similar.

Make no mistake, I don't want a stamina system but I wouldn't put it above Sega to try one out.

FFXIV NEVER had a stamina system in the way you're thinking. I think for using abilities and what not it existed, much like if you played a FPS and you'd run out of stamina after sprinting for so long, but there were never limitations on play with FFXIV.

Well, there was. The limitation of how much garbage you could take from that terribad (and still terribad) game.. but never any *real* restrictions.

As for Vindictus, from what I remember, there are no restrictions to how long you can play. If it's like Dragon Nest, your exp gain goes down after you use all of your bar.. (or coins I guess in this case), but it never STOPS you from playing.

[•Col•]

As far as free-to-play with stamina-type meters goes... what about Spiral Knights? You know, that other free MMO-style game by Sega?

LOL.

Does it seriously have the stamina meter...? So much for saying that Sega would "never" do that.

[Remius]

A small mistake that does not shake my argument what so ever. Vindictus used to have a Stamina system. It does not anymore. What does that say? It was an utter failure. This is backed up by the other comments about how Vindictus became popular after they removed it. No one wanted to deal with it. Who can blame them?

Stamina is a concept introduced by Korea to stop massive MMO playing that was killing lives. When it failed, they switched to the midnight ban and similar laws. The systems should have never reached the US/Japan in the first place. At this point, after they have been proven to do more harm than good, SEGA would have to be absolutely moronic to even contemplate introducing the system to PSO2. Add that to my other points, and I can guarantee you there will not be a Stamina system.


Korea is just completely unrestricted in their methods of conning players with cash shop mechanics because apparently in Korea, everyone actually loves grinding and the stratification you get from spending money in a cash shop.




Sega might get bold and try something stupid. Then their players will just complain until it's removed.




If Monster Hunter gets tons of players without any kind of stamina bar, there's no reason Sega should piss off their players with one.

[Mike]

As for Vindictus, from what I remember, there are no restrictions to how long you can play. If it's like Dragon Nest, your exp gain goes down after you use all of your bar.. (or coins I guess in this case), but it never STOPS you from playing.
If you ran out of tokens, you couldn't go on anything but the lowest level missions or go fishing. So no, it doesn't stop you from playing but it puts the brakes on any meaningful progression.

[Akiyama]

Correction. It seems right out of the gate, there was a form of Stamina System on FFXIV, but it was obviously axed later on and no longer exists. Sorry about that, Mike.

And yeah, Spiral Knights has an energy system to prevent you from hardcore grinding.

[MelancholyWitch]

Everyone staying up for the sign up I'm guessing?

[Akiyama]

If it's the same thing I signed up for about 4 days ago.. then I guess I'm already good to go.

[Yamishi]

When does the signing up start? 4PM JP time, right?

[Polantaris]

Spiral Knights' Energy System has no reliance on actual purchase from the every day player. You can choose to buy CE, yes, however you never have to. Ever. Play smart, and you will never run out of CE. It's a lazy man's way out, sure, and sure, someone has to buy CE, but you never have to. You never have to spend a cent on the game if you do not want to.

The entire game is built around Crystal Energy being completely trade-able.

[•Col•]

Spiral Knights' Energy System has no reliance on actual purchase from the every day player. You can choose to buy CE, yes, however you never have to. Ever. Play smart, and you will never run out of CE. It's a lazy man's way out, sure, and sure, someone has to buy CE, but you never have to. You never have to spend a cent on the game if you do not want to.

The entire game is built around Crystal Energy being completely trade-able.

So then you admit that it's completely possible for Sega to put such a system in PSO2, yes?

[Polantaris]

So then you admit that it's completely possible for Sega to put such a system in PSO2, yes?

No, because SEGA has no impact on Spiral Knights at all. The entire CE system was introduced long before SEGA was involved with the game at all. SEGA only Publishes Spiral Knights. It has no involvement in the development. The entire Crystal Energy system was developed, tested, and implemented LONG before SEGA even had it's mitts NEAR Spiral Knights. I was in the game's "Preview Event" for a year and a half before SEGA was involved, and the entire time had CE in the game's core mechanics.

[•Col•]

Well if you're saying it's not possible.. Then it's completely impossible for them to do it.

Cool, didn't know there were people who could actually see into the future. What else do you foresee?

[Polantaris]

Well if you're saying it's not possible.. Then it's completely impossible for them to do it.

Cool, didn't know there were people who could actually see into the future. What else do you foresee?

Don't be a smartass.

People here see "Free-to-Play", and instantly jump to a conclusion about a Stamina system that has absolutely no supporting evidence. All I'm doing is proving that, which I've done. Obviously since the end result is going to be flaming, I'm done for today. Enjoy your illogical thoughts based on nothing.

[Akiyama]

Well if you're saying it's not possible.. Then it's completely impossible for them to do it.

Cool, didn't know there were people who could actually see into the future. What else do you foresee?

The hell? Where did this come from? There's no reason for you to be rude. He was saying that SEGA had nothing to do with the CE system in Spiral Knights, that they just publish it and was trying to give you reasons why SEGA probably won't implement a system like this..

[•Col•]

Don't be a smartass.

People here see "Free-to-Play", and instantly jump to a conclusion about a Stamina system that has absolutely no supporting evidence. All I'm doing is proving that, which I've done. Obviously since the end result is going to be flaming, I'm done for today. Enjoy your illogical thoughts based on nothing.

Looks like you had trouble reading.

Everyone has only said that they're worried of what could happen. Not that these things would happen. You're the one who came in here shouting "NO IT WOULD NEVER EVER EVER HAPPEN".

I actually don't think there will a stamina system in PSO2. I merely accept the fact that it's possible that they could implement one. I obviously hope they don't, but it's completely possible.

[Remius]

There really is no reason arguing over this. There's absolutely no way we'll know until they tell us.

And they'll have to tell us at some point, because it's going to be how they get paid.

[Akiyama]

Yeah. D: No need to argue. I personally think that while free, the community may end up being meh like a lot of free MMO communities are, though paid MMO communities aren't all the best either...

but it's still relatively good news. Free = good! D:

[FOkyasuta]

Apparently,
P2W is all the rage these days.

Looks like all the people who get this first day and load out the cash are sure as hell gonna advance.

Talk about adding another PSU Element into the mix.

Well least the people who couldn't pay a dime for things like that can actually play now.

[Setsuna00G]

This game officially broke my heart today. Free to play games are all the same.

[Ryudo]

someone uploaded the full briefing if any of you didnt catch it on niconico
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaU-skUIeo

[Akiyama]

Good lord.. never seen so much doom in gloom over something I'd normally think is a pretty good thing...

[ShadowDragon28]

I know Akiyama. Some people are really jumping to pretty much baseless conclusions with their negative, gloom and doom speculations...

[Kion]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/kion_01/pso2_beta.png

Beta sign-up complete. After missing out on the alpha, i made sure to sign up with a new email address this time.

[MelancholyWitch]

woah so you can sign up for beta now? more info on this would be greatly appreciated.

[Kion]

PSO2 Closed Beta Sign up Guide
Part 1 If you already have a Sega ID for use on the JP server

1) Go to https://cha.isao.net/profile_oem/OEMLogin.php?product_name=pso
Enter your username, password and the katakana captcha below.

2) You will be taken to this screen.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/kion_01/pso2_beta-1.png
Click on サービス選択へ

3) Next on this screen
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/kion_01/pso2_beta-3.png
the fourth item down will be the application for the closed beta. There should be a button that says 利用登録 (note mine says, application complete). After clicking it a conformation screen should appear.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/kion_01/pso2_beta.png

[Fayorei]

Ah, this answers my question about the beta start date. Thanks:) Glad it's late April, I was worried that it may cut into a different forum meetup-con type thing coming up in a couple days if it came sooner.

Also, very interesting about the smart phone version. It's refreshing to see that Sega is on the ball with this it seems. Cross functionality is the way to go in certain ways, if the new standard MMO smartphone app type deals are any indicator.

[MelancholyWitch]

Nevermind I got signed up appearntly I didn't even go to the 2nd screen you should it just immediately told me I was signed up.


ファンタシースターオンライン2 クローズドβテストの参加申し込み手続きが完了しました。= Registration procedure of closed β test 2 Phantasy Star Online has been completed.

[Vashyron]

Yeah looks like for the Beta you don't need to insert Name/Address/Phone.

[Kion]

...contiued
Beta Application Part 2
If you do not currently have a sega id account.

1) Go to pso2.jp and click on the yellow button that says "Beta Application"
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/kion_01/part1.png
You have until April 16 6pm JST.

2)From there you will be taken to a long page which a bunch writing which pretty much explains exactly what I am about to write about: how to sign up for the beta. Towards the button will be a large blue button:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/kion_01/part2.png

3) It will then present you with a user sign up. Enter your email and hit the blue button.
[spoiler-box]This is kind of wonky. Because it a) it gives me an error when i try to use google chrome, so use internet explorer or something. and b) it doesn't give the option to log it, it goes straight to a new user application. Which is why i provided the guide above for existing users[/spoiler-box]

4) An email will be sent to the address you provided. Go to your email and follow the link to continue. This screen is pretty self explanatory enter your birthday, desired Sega ID, password, re-enter password and the check box is whether or not you want (junk) mail from sega jp.

Note that passwords must include 1 numeric character.

5) After that you will be taken to a confirmation screen. If you're okay with what you entered, hit 登録する, if you need to fix something hit 修正する.

Do not close your browser!
If you do, go up to guide 1 :p
6) http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/kion_01/part4.png
You will then see this confirmation screen confirming you have successfully made a Sega ID. Under it is a button that says, サービス登録. Click it and it will take you to

7) this screen
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/kion_01/part5.png
where you can click register under the PSO2 beta application.

8) After clicking it... there will be standard accept the terms and agreements screen. And then http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/kion_01/pso2_beta.png
"Ka-boom baby!" Confirmation screen. "Thanks for applying to the beta"

[lostinseganet]

Fist are in!

I'm gonna fist so many things that you'll find my gameplay videos on adult websites...

So pretty much this game is gonna be perfect for me so far. :0

Still iffy on the cashshop... I don't wanna buy that ONE outfit I like, then 8 out of 10 other people are wearing the same outfit, because it's the best looking one, but they also paid for it so they're gonna use it and FFAUDFHADFADFADF STOP DRESSING YOUR CHARACTERS LIKE MINE GET YOUR OWN SWAG!

Hopefully there's a good balance on ingame outfits/items/hairstyles and arcs cash ones, even though I'll be buying both regardless...Maybe they will make a ingame pso daily where they well you what everyone else is wearing...so you can be original.

I dunno about this f2p stuff
Maybe this will curb the Chinese gold farms. Also the consumer should have much more say in the actual content of future releases. I was planning on paying $15/month. I want my henshin, and this might get me there...Maybe we can get wind, and earth techs too.

[Vashyron]

Been watching the whole conference again, noticed some Interesting PAs. (Or I guess possible Skills from the Skill tree)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaU-skUIeo



Swords too get a PA with the ability to Skewer. @ 6:37
A Rifle PA that makes you slide across the floor to the enemy while shooting. @ 6:40 (Totally Reminds me of Vanquish! Haha.)
You can go prone and crawl around with a rifle. The RAmarl does this and breaks off the enemy's breakable weakpoint in one shot. @ 29:22 (I'm guessing it may give a boost to attacks if previously unnoticed by the enemy.)

[kyuuketsuki]

So, here's my concern: Got a Windows Phone with 1.5 years left on my contract.

Can someone translate "Please port the smartphone app to Windows Phone" to Japanese for me and show me where I can send it to the dev crew? :3
I don't have a Windows Phone, but I'm planning on jumping ship to one later this year (when WP8 comes out along with phones with better specs and high res screens). So, I concur: must submit requests to have the smartphone app on Windows Phone. Is there currently any way to submit such to the devs? If not, there'll likely be something when the closed beta starts.

As for the f2p model... ehhh. I would still prefer a subscription model ($10/mo) and all in-game content was acquired via in-game means like the old days. But, I can deal... long as they don't screw it up. There are plenty of examples of f2p gone wrong for them to learn from, so, hopefully they get it right.

[Kion]

I don't think that windows phones have a enough of a user base (yet) to warrant attention. And I think there's literally only one phone windows made by toshiba in the pipeline for release in Japan lined up right now, so their probably not thinking about it. If you want tho, here's the translation.
"ウィンドウズの携帯のためにもファンタジースターオンライン2のアプリを開発してください。"

I'd have to see what kind of programming language their using to program. It's pretty easy to use an engine like unity or program in javascript and use the same code to port to multiple devices. I haven't looked at what languages windows mobile supports. If they are using javascript though, they might have a website you can access and log into and provide the same functionality on a browser (which could also be say accessed from a windows phone).

[Yamishi]

I don't think that windows phones have a enough of a user base (yet) to warrant attention. And I think there's literally only one phone windows made by toshiba in the pipeline for release in Japan lined up right now, so their probably not thinking about it. If you want tho, here's the translation.
"ウィンドウズの携帯のためにもファンタジースターオンライン2のアプリを開発してください。"

I'd have to see what kind of programming language their using to program. It's pretty easy to use an engine like unity or program in javascript and use the same code to port to multiple devices. I haven't looked at what languages windows mobile supports. If they are using javascript though, they might have a website you can access and log into and provide the same functionality on a browser (which could also be say accessed from a windows phone).

Excellent, thank you! :D You're awesome.

[Holylifestar]

I dont have those yellow buttons on my screen. (pso2.jp right?)

Ok. I managed to do it I think, but instead of the confirmation screen when I click the fourth link it brings me to a page where I fill in a ton of personal information -_- Not going to happen.

Would have edited the post above me, but it wouldn't let me for some reason :/

[Mike]

I dont have those yellow buttons on my screen. (pso2.jp right?)

Ok. I managed to do it I think, but instead of the confirmation screen when I click the fourth link it brings me to a page where I fill in a ton of personal information -_- Not going to happen.

Would have edited the post above me, but it wouldn't let me for some reason :/

The Sega ID services have expanded since Kion wrote that guide. Look for characters similar to the screen shot. It also helps to use the quote button since it's hard to know what the heck you were talking about.

[Holylifestar]

The Sega ID services have expanded since Kion wrote that guide. Look for characters similar to the screen shot. It also helps to use the quote button since it's hard to know what the heck you were talking about.

Ok, thanks for merging that post for me :D Trying now.

Ok, I couldn't find a match-to-match of the picture but, I did find this

ファンタシースターオンライン2
サービス利用登録済

As one of the links, the top part was the link.

So, does this mean I'm already registered?

[IndigoNovember]

As you suspected, you are already registered. Time to sit back and enjoy the wait （´・ω・｀） .

[Holylifestar]

As you suspected, you are already registered. Time to sit back and enjoy the wait （´・ω・｀） .

Enjoy and wait in the same sentence? What part of the underworld are you from demon 0-0...

On the side note, TY :D Looking forward to seeing all of you ingame when it comes out. Ship 2 Block 20? Right xD?

[IndigoNovember]

You are, once again, correct.