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AlMcFly
Jun 19, 2012, 01:25 AM
Looking at the numbers we had in Pre-Open Beta Test, I don't think choosing Ship 02 for the unofficial English speaking ship was a good idea.

The majority of the blocks were practically full for the entire time, suggesting it is getting much of the spillover from Ship 01. These are just the players who know about Pre-OBT. Once word gets out across Japanese gamers that Open Beta for the game is in process, I can foresee having trouble getting in completely. I know it would be a tiny bit difficult to get everyone to pick up and go to a higher number ship but I think the benefits would outweigh the difficulty.

I've seen this question recently mentioned briefly but I don't think it has garnered enough feedback. What do you think?

goldwing
Jun 19, 2012, 01:28 AM
i understand where your comeing from but its just not going to happen ppl want this for the econ reason that and im sure other reasons. on a side note nice sig

AlMcFly
Jun 19, 2012, 01:33 AM
on a side note nice sig

Thanks! :D

mctastee
Jun 19, 2012, 01:33 AM
We will have to see. I do agree that blocks 20-21 did fill up rather fast, but I think we will be fine for now.

goldwing
Jun 19, 2012, 01:40 AM
Np XD

Coatl
Jun 19, 2012, 01:44 AM
People will vote yes because it's already the ship we are occupying..
Too biased to generate a valid opinion.

Pyrii
Jun 19, 2012, 01:47 AM
I agree we need to move, I was thinking the same thing that it got full fast and that it could negatively impact our ability to play in the long-term.

Given we only get one free character it stands to reason we only get one chance to do this right so it's an important discussion.

eharima
Jun 19, 2012, 01:48 AM
People will vote yes because it's already the ship we are occupying..
Too biased to generate a valid opinion.

alt+0173 is filtered.

Fujiko
Jun 19, 2012, 01:54 AM
I think it's probably too late to decide on a different ship. The community pretty much has it's mind set on Ship 2.

To change it all of a sudden might cause a split and lots of confusion.

Besides this is an online game, all the ships are going to be full for the first month or two regardless. If your talking about blocks 20-21 being full, changing ships will not help that.

njdss4
Jun 19, 2012, 01:59 AM
I think it's probably too late to decide on a different ship. The community pretty much has it's mind set on Ship 2.

To change it all of a sudden might cause a split and lots of confusion.

Besides this is an online game, all the ships are going to be full for the first month or two regardless. If your talking about blocks 20-21 being full, changing ships will not help that.

Definitely too late to switch now. I do kinda wish that the community had picked one of the last ships, like 9 or 10, but in the long run I don't think it will be that big a deal. Things will eventually level out and Ship 2, Blocks 20 and up will be mostly English players.

BIG OLAF
Jun 19, 2012, 02:01 AM
It's not going to be as bad as everyone thinks, in regards to the "what if there's not enough room?!" worrying. Chill out, fellas. No one is going to change their mind now.

Pyrii
Jun 19, 2012, 02:01 AM
I think it's probably too late to decide on a different ship. The community pretty much has it's mind set on Ship 2.

To change it all of a sudden might cause a split and lots of confusion.

Besides this is an online game, all the ships are going to be full for the first month or two regardless. If your talking about blocks 20-21 being full, changing ships will not help that.

I know, that's the problem, but during pre-beta all the blocks on Ship 2 were over 50% full and most over 2/3rds full.

The worry is that Ship 2 is going to become so full we can't even play. Remember, the fuller the block, the laggier the gameplay will be. When I want to play the actual game, I steer well clear of block 20/21/50

Again, this is a decision for the long term, and people are only allowed one character for free, so picking it right from the start is key. Yes I agree it could be confusing this late to change it, but we couldn't see till pre-beta what numbers were going to flood Ship 2.

BIG OLAF
Jun 19, 2012, 02:06 AM
Remember, the fuller the block, the laggier the gameplay will be.

Completely false. I had virtually no lag in the Pre-OB when Block 20 was full to the brim. Judging by the Lag Report thread I made, everyone else said the same.

Lumir
Jun 19, 2012, 02:10 AM
Yea a full block in the Pre-OB was completely lagless. Also I think each block held around 80-120 people. Also their are quite a few blocks for each ship.

Pyrii
Jun 19, 2012, 02:11 AM
Completely false. I had virtually no lag in the Pre-OB when Block 20 was full to the brim. Judging by the Lag Report thread I made, everyone else said the same.

That's good to hear, it may be that they set the limits lower in PBT which is why the ship is getting full so quickly. But during CBT I found playing in full blocks nearly impossible.

Ogni-XR21
Jun 19, 2012, 02:12 AM
Too late to change now.

MiaRitz
Jun 19, 2012, 02:12 AM
The ships are color coded for population.
Green = low population
Yellow = average population
Red = nearing full population

In the Pre-open beta only half of the ships were available, but only ship was yellow, all others were green. I don't think ship 2 will ever be completely full.
You can't change ships later on, but the population will eventually drop some. If we picked a low population ship that would be only for us the chances are that it would become a ghost town.
I personally think that ship 2 will be just the right mix for future purposes.

AlMcFly
Jun 19, 2012, 02:14 AM
Completely false. I had virtually no lag in the Pre-OB when Block 20 was full to the brim. Judging by the Lag Report thread I made, everyone else said the same.

I agree with this. I experienced zero lag.

However I did sit for a significant amount of time and looked at block populations. Also, at least five different times I could not get into blocks 20, 21, or 22. This is because I crashed a couple times and one time I accidentally went to a player's room, then tried to get back in only to sit for 5-10 minutes in the teleporter continually clicking.

We'll see what happens but it's going to significantly effect my gameplay if I'm spending a buttload of time just trying to get to English blocks.

Syl
Jun 19, 2012, 02:26 AM
I don't see how picking a different ship will make a difference. A server ship is a server ship, it's going to be packed in certain blocks no matter what we end up choosing.

May as well stick to Ship 2 as that's probably going to be the best way to connect with our own community.

Blackheart521
Jun 19, 2012, 02:29 AM
Regardless of if they do fill up you can guarantee if literally every single block gets filled on a server then SEGA will increase the server capacity to accommodate for more customers, they wouldn't give up that opportunity.

Ryuujin13
Jun 19, 2012, 02:57 AM
Well from my experience with FFXI it should be fine. With the POBpso2 we were forced onto the Japanese time zone. But with the ability to be in our own time zone it should not be to full if at all. At least until the later hours at night when we will typically be asleep.

Lumir
Jun 19, 2012, 03:00 AM
Well from my experience with FFXI it should be fine. With the POBpso2 we were forced onto the Japanese time zone. But with the ability to be in our own time zone it should not be to full if at all. At least until the later hours at night when we will typically be asleep.

This. Time Zones will balance the populations out.

AlMcFly
Jun 19, 2012, 03:00 AM
Well from my experience with FFXI it should be fine. With the POBpso2 we were forced onto the Japanese time zone. But with the ability to be in our own time zone it should not be to full if at all. At least until the later hours at night when we will typically be asleep.

That's a very good point. Didn't even enter my mind.

~Inu~
Jun 19, 2012, 03:02 AM
I think it will work out just fine.

moorebounce
Jun 19, 2012, 03:38 AM
If Sega starts to have issues with people not being able to get on the ships they first started then they should let people move. If that happens then we should vote on another ship.

Pyrii
Jun 19, 2012, 03:41 AM
If Sega starts to have issues with people not being able to get on the ships they first started then they should let people move. If that happens then we should vote on another ship.

THAT is when it's too late...

MelancholyWitch
Jun 19, 2012, 04:04 AM
It's just going to get full on a different ship/block.... that's just how large the English speaking population is, I honestly rarely saw much Japanese players on ship 02 block 20. SO moving to another ship/block would be pointless, just gotta add another block or hope they increase block capacity.

Vylera
Jun 19, 2012, 04:24 AM
Already mentioned, timezone.

This isn't NA version.

MizaR
Jun 19, 2012, 05:07 AM
I feel ship 3 would have been a better choice, I feel it's to late now and will probably be ok. Just be thankful we didn't choose ship 1 ;)

Pyrii
Jun 19, 2012, 05:16 AM
Already mentioned, timezone.

This isn't NA version.

The world doesn't revolve around America. There are people from other countries here too.

AlMcFly
Jun 19, 2012, 06:31 AM
Already mentioned, timezone.

This isn't NA version.

The world doesn't revolve around America. There are people from other countries here too.

Both of these comments are pretty useless as this being a Japanese game is as self-evident as can be.

I've played plenty of Japanese games in which entire servers were full 24/7. I really don't think this game will be one of them however.

skuld01
Jun 19, 2012, 06:33 AM
we go any block we want in ship2, spread the English!

CapitalG
Jun 19, 2012, 07:31 AM
You also have to think about why the Pre-Open Beta was so packed. It was a limited window of playtime, of course we were going to see high numbers of users. But once the game is public, most people will be playing at their normal peak hours, and the server status shouldn't be a problem. Yes, people will be in game 24/7, and yes, people from all across the world can be on at any given time, but really it shouldn't be a hindrance to anyone who plays on Ship 2 at anytime. Unless for some reason PSO2 becomes the new Truth in ORPGs, we won't have to worry about population.

Besides that, I've never, in any of the tests, been "locked out" of a server. Sure block 20 fills up pretty quick, but I've never seen a lack of English speaking players on the other 20s, let alone all the blocks being full. I think in Closed Beta, I saw 21 get full once and in that case, I just moved down the list to the next block. And if there is somebody you want to play with, as long as they are in game, you should be able to message them no matter what block they are on and set up somewhere to meet. The game gives you a multitude of ways to find the people you want to play with.

imarafan
Jun 19, 2012, 08:37 AM
I don't think I get OP's point so let me see if my guess is right.

You are worried the ship will get full of English players or full of the sum of English and Japanese players? (I'm assuming you think Ship 01 will get full and then the rest of japs will switch to ship 02)

If it's the first one then it doesn't make sense because no matter what ship we choose it would get full anyway, the second one would sound like a legit concern if Timezones didn't keep most English and Japanese speakers from meeting each other. (but it could happen in the case of an event or anything like that)

AlMcFly
Jun 19, 2012, 08:50 AM
I don't think I get OP's point so let me see if my guess is right.

You are worried the ship will get full of English players or full of the sum of English and Japanese players? (I'm assuming you think Ship 01 will get full and then the rest of japs will switch to ship 02)

If it's the first one then it doesn't make sense because no matter what ship we choose it would get full anyway, the second one would sound like a legit concern if Timezones didn't keep most English and Japanese speakers from meeting each other. (but it could happen in the case of an event or anything like that)

The second concern is the accurate one. Also, you may want to tone down the racial slurs. That's the quick road to a ban-hammer :)

ManaAria
Jun 19, 2012, 09:00 AM
It honestly probably will not be a problem in my opinion. Peak Japanese playing times will most likely not coincide with peak American playing times. So even if Ship 2 is full at peak playing times for Japanese players, (which I don't think it will be) it probably won't be for us.

sugarFO
Jun 19, 2012, 09:12 AM
The second concern is the accurate one. Also, you may want to tone down the racial slurs. That's the quick road to a ban-hammer :)

I don't get why people say japs is a racial slur. I am Lebanese and we call each other Leb or refer to lebanese people as Lebs. Other people do it too and we aren't offended. Why is Japs offensive?

AlMcFly
Jun 19, 2012, 09:17 AM
I don't get why people say japs is a racial slur. I am Lebanese and we call each other Leb or refer to lebanese people as Lebs. Other people do it too and we aren't offended. Why is Japs offensive?

The word Japs is offensive because the majority of Japanese find it offensive. Simple as that, and they are within their right. Off-topic.

Edit: For a more concrete reason, it was used by Americans during WWII for purely derogatory/defamatory means.

Resanoca
Jun 19, 2012, 09:25 AM
There's 69 votes. :3... GOING TO RUIN IT NOW AND MAKE IT 70!

Laguna
Jun 19, 2012, 09:25 AM
This is completely off topic. BUT. Coming from a Japanese family, being called "Jap" or "Japs" doesn't really offend us. It's kinda like using the "n" word on a black person, but the slurred version of it. If you know what I mean... but, it could be insanely racial to some, and you could be severely punished by some... haha, okay, nevermind.

I think that the idea of having Ship 2 as our dominant Ship is a good idea, mainly cause it's already been pre-chosen and most of the community is already there.

GrandTickler
Jun 19, 2012, 10:22 AM
if block 20 is full just go 21, then 22 and so on ;) problem solved

SZiadaN
Jun 19, 2012, 11:25 AM
I don't get why people say japs is a racial slur. I am Lebanese and we call each other Leb or refer to lebanese people as Lebs. Other people do it too and we aren't offended. Why is Japs offensive?

Watch this and you'll understand.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI-ovVkLbw4

Peejay
Jun 19, 2012, 11:35 AM
Honestly, I don't see how it matters. Considering we're a ONE group situated on here, there's several places on 4chan overtaking 4 (Due to associations with DEATH), some other site on 6, and another on 7, I think it feels like a moot point.

BIG OLAF
Jun 19, 2012, 11:38 AM
Honestly, I don't see how it matters. Considering we're a ONE group situated on here, there's several places on 4chan overtaking 4 (Due to associations with DEATH), some other site on 6, and another on 7, I think it feels like a moot point.

Oh I get it. :D

Peejay
Jun 19, 2012, 11:40 AM
Oh I get it. :D

Get what? They all decided they figure they're trolling by infesting the ship that Japanese associate with DEATH because apparently the number four is evil. I guess that makes them evil themselves, but who cares? I don't want to end up around anyone from /v/.

Vashyron
Jun 19, 2012, 11:43 AM
4Chan, Ship 4 - Block 44.

It's not a Death Reference they are going for from what I see.

Thermalwolf
Jun 19, 2012, 11:50 AM
Get what? They all decided they figure they're trolling by infesting the ship that Japanese associate with DEATH because apparently the number four is evil. I guess that makes them evil themselves, but who cares? I don't want to end up around anyone from /v/.

It's a /b/rother you wanna worry about ;)

Peejay
Jun 19, 2012, 11:56 AM
It's a /b/rother you wanna worry about ;)

But /b/ is just a bunch of children running around posting illegal variations of porn that would be banned across 83% of the globe. That's not even a threat. You get to /v/ and it's people trying to stab you for liking Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 less than Sim Theme Park.

Kous
Jun 19, 2012, 11:58 AM
Well then again. We all know must of us are gonna play the game when its released in Japan, but when that happens alot more Japanese users will be online. You all should just watch and see that when we log on Ships 1 & 2 will likely be fulll like crazy :-(:-(:-(:-(:-( . And that un-official english speaking community must of yall hope to make will be gone. Then everyone will be scrambling to find a ship and through mis-communication and everyone going haywire the whole english speaking community will all go on different ships till were spread thin and everyone will be lonely :nono::nono::nono: . And probaly stop playing till there is a US or EU release of the game

Vintasticvin
Jun 19, 2012, 12:13 PM
Well then again. We all know must of us are gonna play the game when its released in Japan, but when that happens alot more Japanese users will be online. You all should just watch and see that when we log on Ships 1 & 2 will likely be fulll like crazy :-(:-(:-(:-(:-( . And that un-official english speaking community must of yall hope to make will be gone. Then everyone will be scrambling to find a ship and through mis-communication and everyone going haywire the whole english speaking community will all go on different ships till were spread thin and everyone will be lonely :nono::nono::nono: . And probaly stop playing till there is a US or EU release of the game

I feel what you mean on the topic and for we can only wait and see what happens in the future also if a us/eu release most people will just stick to the japanese side of the game and some will even come from there to harass people for playing on that region. If block 20 fills just move on to the next block :3 Also I will be praying hard that none of us run into a 4channer. <3

ManaAria
Jun 19, 2012, 12:15 PM
Well, going by the latest update on Bumped (http://bumped.org/psublog/), it seems that we will be able to recreate our first characters on other ships for free, as long as we delete the original first. So I believe the we shouldn't worry about it too much; lest they change this in release. (which I doubt they will, and if they do I think we will have most things sorted out by then)

imarafan
Jun 19, 2012, 12:32 PM
The second concern is the accurate one. Also, you may want to tone down the racial slurs. That's the quick road to a ban-hammer :)


The word Japs is offensive because the majority of Japanese find it offensive. Simple as that, and they are within their right. Off-topic.

Edit: For a more concrete reason, it was used by Americans during WWII for purely derogatory/defamatory means.

My apologies, I didn't know about that.




This is completely off topic. BUT. Coming from a Japanese family, being called "Jap" or "Japs" doesn't really offend us. It's kinda like using the "n" word on a black person, but the slurred version of it. If you know what I mean... but, it could be insanely racial to some, and you could be severely punished by some... haha, okay, nevermind.

Better safe than sorry. ^^;





Get what? They all decided they figure they're trolling by infesting the ship that Japanese associate with DEATH because apparently the number four is evil. I guess that makes them evil themselves, but who cares? I don't want to end up around anyone from /v/.

I think Olaf is talking about you (I guess unintentionally) namedropping one of the 4chan's mods name. (moot, or so I've heard, never went to that site)



Ahem... Trying to move this thread back to it's original direction, I guess the fact 4Chan is going to be doing it's own thing should alleviate people's concerns a bit since not the entirety of the English community will be playing at the same place.

Arika
Jun 19, 2012, 12:38 PM
We will have to see. I do agree that blocks 20-21 did fill up rather fast, but I think we will be fine for now.

but mostly they fill up by English speakers and JP who wanna play with English speakers which is good thing.

there is always 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, ...

unlikely that all will fill up.