HAXXXX- Block 20

[ResiDenT]

It's probably hacking

[SPOILER-BOX]TROLL
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg842/scaled.php?server=842&filename=pso20120711223827001.jpg&res=landing[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg21/scaled.php?server=21&filename=pso20120711223838003.jpg&res=landing[/SPOILER-BOX]
[SPOILER-BOX]
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg717/scaled.php?server=717&filename=pso20120711223906004.jpg&res=landing[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg832/scaled.php?server=832&filename=pso20120711224522006.jpg&res=landing[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg850/scaled.php?server=850&filename=pso20120711224537007.jpg&res=landing[/SPOILER-BOX]

[kp77]

I already reported.
Don't egg them on please.

[FerrPSO]

Blocks outside 20 and 21 seems fine , so yeah...

[Laguna]

I hope you guys know that's not a "hack" and lag can make them appear that way. Besides, if it was a"hack" it's not like it's exploiting the game or anything. It's just for see.

Calm. Those. Tits.

[Asuni]

ew :/ why do people do these things...I'm glad i'm on ship 10

[ResiDenT]

ew :/ why do people do these things...I'm glad i'm on ship 10
I have no idea why
Guess they are really bored


I hope you guys know that's not a "hack" and lag can make them appear that way. Besides, if it was a"hack" it's not like it's exploiting the game or anything. It's just for see.

Calm. Those. Tits.
I don't think it's a lag
Look at the pos of the npcs
BTW it is exploiting the game :O

[Dan Maku]

GOD DAMMIT, [scriptkiddiewhosnamemustberedacted]!

[FerrPSO]

I hope you guys know that's not a "hack" and lag can make them appear that way. Besides, if it was a"hack" it's not like it's exploiting the game or anything. It's just for see.

Yeah, so putting some NPCS outside the lobby so I cant acces them if I need them is JUST FOR SEE.

Anyways, no wonder why kids do that, everyone is there staring at those NPCs like idiots. If we ignored this they would get boring fast but you know, people dont like to actually play the game...

[redroses]

I was on block 30 earlier, and some of the NPCs were gone aswell. And somebody else mentioned it happened on block 21 aswell. All other blocks seemed fine. So I would say it's hacking, because it's really weird that it's once again block 20 this is happening to and the other english blocks.

[ResiDenT]

Well maybe the jp players are angry about the fact that we play this game too
So they decided to screw our blocks

[kp77]

Well maybe the jp players are angry about the fact the we play this game too
So they decided to screw up our blocks

Er. no.

[FerrPSO]

that Zapero guy and Sziadan are claiming is their doing now on block20

[Home Dog]

Not here.
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy57/HomeDogJP/PSO2%20Official/pso20120711_153955_001.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

But over here!
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy57/HomeDogJP/PSO2%20Official/pso20120711_154332_004.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Jakosifer]

Attention whore script kiddies, next.

[ResiDenT]

Not here.
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy57/HomeDogJP/PSO2%20Official/pso20120711_153955_001.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

But over here!
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy57/HomeDogJP/PSO2%20Official/pso20120711_154332_004.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

She's over here now:
[SPOILER-BOX]http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4291/pso20120711233103008.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Home Dog]

She's over here now:
[SPOILER-BOX]http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4291/pso20120711233103008.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

Well it looks like people wont be able to accept client orders from her for a while!

[EvilMag]

Attention whore script kiddies, next.

Kinda ironic since this post is giving him the attention.

[Ferria]

Meh... I suggest we don't cause too much problems. As long as we're all aware then it'll be okay. Unless some IDIOT reports US as HACKERS when we are innocent = =; Like the lobby incident lol

[Crimera]

Lol @ Tajima... "By the gods..."

[Jakosifer]

Kinda ironic since this post is giving him the attention.

Right, the topic didn't do that itself. My post gave him "the" attention.

[Crimera]

No, this is sort of good. People will know exactly what is going on. They wont think it is just a glitch and restart their clients.

Plus, as someone mentioned, it is also good to send a general message to our English players to NOT give attention IN-GAME to this "person" who obviously wants it.

[kp77]

that Zapero guy and Sziadan are claiming is their doing now on block20

Do you have a screenshot saying that they did it?

[Squall179]

Lol @ Tajima... "By the gods..."

Every time I see something like this from now on that is all I'm going to say.

[Home Dog]

Do you have a screenshot saying that they did it?
I think I did get a picture. Ima go look for it.

Edit: Nope. All I have is a picture of that chat log and he said "No, we did" Which doesn't mean anything because I have no idea what they were talking about.

[soulpimpwizzurd]

I hope you guys know that's not a "hack" and lag can make them appear that way. Besides, if it was a"hack" it's not like it's exploiting the game or anything. It's just for see.

Calm. Those. Tits.

u srs?

it's completely obvious it's hacking lol. even in the worst lag storms from closed beta i've never seen stationary NPCS switch positions like that. maybe if they walked around, but the ones shown above don't. they stand in one place.

i do think it's hilarious hacking though that's for sure. this guy's a joker

[kp77]

I think I did get a picture. Ima go look for it.

Yes please do.

I need that for reporting, and conniving some JPN players that it's only a few people to blame.

[ResiDenT]

Right, the topic didn't do that itself. My post gave him "the" attention.
Just posted this thread to let people know what's going on and to help report the guys who did this
Don't be mad

[milranduil]

You know could just -gasp- move to a different block and go about your business. There are 30+ blocks... you aren't contained to block 20. ffs people...

[BahnKnakyu]

From what I read, this is due to some coding that was taken from PSOBB (it was possible to do it there). You couldn't do this in PSU. It's like Sega "forgot" to implement this correctly or something. :/

[FerrPSO]

Do you have a screenshot saying that they did it?

I do too, ill try to send you a PM with it


You know could just -gasp- move to a different block and go about your business. There are 30+ blocks... you aren't contained to block 20. ffs people...

so what, I have to move because some kiddie likes to screw with the game?

THEY should move, but outside of this game.

[Ueno54]

One of the mission girls on block 4 or 5 was put in the corner like a kid being punished. I couldn't help but smirk.

[Crimera]

You know could just -gasp- move to a different block and go about your business. There are 30+ blocks... you aren't contained to block 20. ffs people...

Some just said it isnt contained to block 20. So we move to another block, then it happens there...we move again and again.......etc


Or we could help SEGA, and do something about it? Just a thought.:-?

[mctastee]

So, glad that I don't play on block 20.

[Shakuri]

I logged on and was on B21 for about 30 seconds, I was so scared

[FerrPSO]

So, glad that I don't play on block 20.

Yeah, I may have to do that too. I switched another block outside of that hack-shitstorm and found nice fellow english and jp players to play with.

[Yexes]

This is how the hack works. On their launcher they probably modified NPC spawns and since the "hackers" got there first, they spawned the NPC positions. And since we're stupid and won't leave, they stay spawned there. Also, the walk through walls thing only works on their crappy 64 bit computers, and I won't go into detail about how they did it. (CE bypass AKA script kiddies) These kids are barely modders, not hackers.

I know it's this way because I used to mod GTA IV and the car spawns work exactly like this. Other people screw with your spawns, but if you get their first, the "mods" work. And I also spelt explanation incorrectly.

[Yexes]

I explained how this cruddy hack works.

[Dan Maku]

All the blocks got hit.

Makes me wish we could figure out who these pencildicks are and crash their computers. Maybe castrate them while we're at it.

[EvilMag]

LOL Nice Sega.

Nice to see after 11 years, you still have issues with hackers.

[Anon_Fire]

All the blocks got hit.

Makes me wish we could figure out who these pencildicks are and crash their computers. Maybe castrate them while we're at it.

http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame3/1342028547/367

Here they are.

Zapero and Sziadan

[Yexes]

http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame3/1342028547/367

Here they are.

Zapero and Sziadan

Lol@thescriptkiddies

[Cyrusnagisa]

I hope you guys know that's not a "hack" and lag can make them appear that way. Besides, if it was a"hack" it's not like it's exploiting the game or anything. It's just for see.

Calm. Those. Tits.

No it needs to be stomped out now....... I am tired of PSO/PSU being ruined by script kiddies that have nothing better to do then to bother other players. Report and ignore them now and they will go away.

[CastSoldierFan96]

This is how the hack works. On their launcher they probably modified NPC spawns and since the "hackers" got there first, they spawned the NPC positions. And since we're stupid and won't leave, they stay spawned there. Also, the walk through walls thing only works on their crappy 64 bit computers, and I won't go into detail about how they did it. (CE bypass AKA script kiddies) These kids are barely modders, not hackers.

I know it's this way because I used to mod GTA IV and the car spawns work exactly like this. Other people screw with your spawns, but if you get their first, the "mods" work. And I also spelt explanation incorrectly.

It actually doesn't work like that at all, but nice try. It has nothing to do with getting there first because it can be done with other people there before you. Also, even if you leave or log out they will still be in the same place.

Oh you were the unfunny troll claiming you did it and spamming all caps when those other two guys were the real people actually doing it, hi

[Dan Maku]

http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame3/1342028547/367

Here they are.

Zapero and Sziadan

Could someone hack them? Crash their computers with shittons of German porn? Please

[EvilMag]

You guys have no proof that these are hacks. Those two could just be fucking with you guys.

[CastSoldierFan96]

Could someone hack them? Crash their computers with shittons of German porn? Please

They will most likely want to come back and do more after that and it won't solve anything

[Dan Maku]

You guys have no proof that these are hacks. Those two could just be fucking with you guys.

Well, what the fuck would you call it? 'Cause this shit ain't ever happened during beta.

[Yexes]

It actually doesn't work like that at all, but nice try. It has nothing to do with getting there first because it can be done with other people there before you. Also, even if you leave or log out they will still be in the same place.

Oh you were the unfunny troll claiming you did it and spamming all caps when those other two guys were the real people actually doing it, hi

Nice try, now get out. It may not work word for word the way I said it, but it works in the same matter.

[Thermalwolf]

I'm actualy not surprised it isn't mopbitch, I knew he had to be stealing from others again, he just can't help himself... And as for these two idiots, there currently is no proof the game isn't gonna have international servers, and even if it doesn't, that doesn't make it bad business practice.

No lie, this hacking is worse then I thought if it's for this reason and Sega really needs to take these guys out and make some sort of an example of them, I just hope it's not at our expense though :-o

[Yakatsugi]

Quit playing, problem solved.
You'd think that SoJ would actually be prompt responding to these kind of things when it's the same issue that has always troubled their games in the past even if it's minor.

[CastSoldierFan96]

It's funny how every time something like this happens the people who do it get called script kiddies, meanwhile you have even less of an understanding of what the exploit is doing or how to do it. So what does that make the people insulting the "hackers?" Obviously someone more ignorant about the subject than the person they are making fun of and someone who must be angry and thinks that calling them names will solve anything


Nice try, now get out. It may not work word for word the way I said it, but it works in the same matter.

Unfortunately it is not the same matter

[EvilMag]

Well, what the fuck would you call it? 'Cause this shit ain't ever happened during beta.

Well look at all the other bugs that happened during the final game that Sega didn't fix in the OBT.

[Yexes]

They will most likely want to come back and do more after that and it won't solve anything

I could do that, but I won't because this is hilarious. (Plus they probably have proxies/vpn's)

[Dan Maku]

Well look at all the other bugs that happened during the final game that Sega didn't fix in the OBT.

None of those bugs actively prevented us from playing the game like this did.

This is a hack, plain and simple, and if you're trying to argue otherwise, I have to assume you're in league with the hackers.

[EvilMag]

None of those bugs actively prevented us from playing the game like this did.

This is a hack, plain and simple, and if you're trying to argue otherwise, I have to assume you're in league with the hackers.

LOL. Calling me a hacker. God you're retarded.

[CastSoldierFan96]

This is a hack, plain and simple, and if you're trying to argue otherwise, I have to assume you're in league with the hackers.

Agreed. Anyone who thinks it's not a hack or doesn't understand enough about how it works to know that it is one is obviously a hacker spy!!!!!!!!!

[DemonMike]

All I can say is, thank god they don't have premium.

[CastSoldierFan96]

All I can say is, thank god they don't have premium.

Don't give them ideas, I don't think anyone tried looking for a hack to get premium yet

[Thermalwolf]

It's funny how every time something like this happens the people who do it get called script kiddies, meanwhile you have even less of an understanding of what the exploit is doing or how to do it. So what does that make the people insulting the "hackers?" Obviously someone more ignorant about the subject than the person they are making fun of and someone who must be angry and thinks that calling them names will solve anything

Because most of the people that do these tings are script kiddies that take from others work and use it irresponsibley. Also there's absolutely no reason to stick up for them, this is a terrible play to try and get Sega's attention, and it's in away that makes us ALL look bad. Yes Japanese hack too, but it's more low key then this and is usually at a more respectable level.

This is purposely trying to disrespect Sega. I could do the same damn thing these asses do and probably better but I don't because I'm over ruining others fun. I grew up... Considering they are laughing at Sega's business practice means that they obviously have no comprehension on how a real corporation, not just a business, is ran.

You are far more ignorant then any person on here calling them a script kiddie. My guess, you're one of them and are offended, and I hope so, cause you are script kiddie if you are. Nuff said.

[Dan Maku]

I looked around. The lower blocks look unaffected. Should we migrate to a lower block until this shit gets sorted out?

[CastSoldierFan96]

Because most of the people that do these tings are script kiddies that take from others work and use it irresponsibley. Also there's absolutely no reason to stick up for them, this is a terrible play to try and get Sega's attention, and it's in away that makes us ALL look bad. Yes Japanese hack too, but it's more low key then this and is usually at a more respectable level.

This is purposely trying to disrespect Sega. I could do the same damn thing these asses do and probably better but I don't because I'm over ruining others fun. I grew up... Considering they are laughing at Sega's business practice means that obviously have no comprehension on how a real corporation, not just a business, is ran.

You are far more ignorant then any person on here calling them a script kiddie. My guess, you're one of them and are offended, and I hope so, cause you are script kiddie if you are. Nuff said.

I'm actually not I just feel that all of this name calling is pointless and after I state that, you just resort to it again... Sigh. I don't think anyone is any different from these people..

[EvilMag]

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q585/EvilMag123/23319557.jpg

You guys make me laugh.

[Thermalwolf]

I'm actually not I just feel that all of this name calling is pointless and after I state that, you just resort to it again... Sigh. I don't think anyone is any different from these people..

Again you seem offended at something that you're not, which quite frankly I do not care cause it seems clear you don't, and if you do care, stop sticking up for them in anyway, it's more distasteful then this...

[CastSoldierFan96]

Again you seem offended at something that you're not, which quite frankly I do not care cause it seems clear you don't, and if you do care, stop sticking up for them in anyway, it's more distasteful then this...

I disagree with both sides actually. It's just not a normal outlook that people take so you may not agree with me, but I'll try to explain it differently.

My main point is that all of the insults and attention you're giving them actually feeds them more and they don't cry or feel offended when you call them a script kiddie and stop hacking the game suddenly, it makes them want to do it more.

[Thermalwolf]

I disagree with both sides actually. It's just not a normal outlook that people take so you may not agree with me, but I'll try to explain it differently.

My main point is that all of the insults and attention you're giving them actually feeds them more and they don't cry or feel offended when you call them a script kiddie and stop hacking the game suddenly, it makes them want to do it more.

Quite the opposite... I know this because I have been there done that... These kids don't care whether we ignore them or acknowledge them. We are not there target.

[Dan Maku]

I disagree with both sides actually. It's just not a normal outlook that people take so you may not agree with me, but I'll try to explain it differently.

My main point is that all of the insults and attention you're giving them actually feeds them more and they don't cry or feel offended when you call them a script kiddie and stop hacking the game suddenly, it makes them want to do it more.

But we can't just pretend they're not there, because the fact remains that we can't play the game properly so long as they're around. What do you propose we do?

[Thermalwolf]

But we can't just pretend they're not there, because the fact remains that we can't play the game properly so long as they're around. What do you propose we do?

Best course of action is to acknowledge them but to not praise of dispraise. A simple, Oh hey look another hacker, is more offending to them then to actually say something outright mean or to try and ignore there existence. It's strange but works better then most on kids like this. They want notoriety, we can't give them it, we just have to act like the're part of the crowd if you understand what I mean...

[Macman]

The amount of mad in this thread is great. Keep it up, guys.

[CastSoldierFan96]

Just report and be more calm about it instead of wasting time here.. I never said that you should pretend they are not there either. It's wrong to say they don't care whether you ignore or acknowledge, because these types of people want you to acknowledge and feel good about themselves when you do..

Also, agreed with Macman above.

Edit: Thermalwolf yes we shouldn't give them notoriety, exactly

[EvilMag]

The amount of mad in this thread is great. Keep it up, guys.

I agree with this man.

[Thermalwolf]

Just report and be more calm about it instead of wasting time here.. I never said that you should pretend they are not there either. It's wrong to say they don't care whether you ignore or acknowledge, because these types of people want you to acknowledge and feel good about themselves when you do..

Also, agreed with Macman above.

Edit: Thermalwolf yes we shouldn't give them notoriety, exactly

Not being mean anymore, but you don't seem to get how this all works if you're saying it's wrong to say they don't care, cause THEY REALLLLLY DON'T!

[Dan Maku]

Best course of action is to acknowledge them but to not praise of dispraise. A simple, Oh hey look another hacker, is more offending to them then to actually say something outright mean or to try and ignore there existence. It's strange but works better then most on kids like this. They want notoriety, we can't give them it, we just have to act like the're part of the crowd if you understand what I mean...

Sounds good.

In the meanwhile, shall we move to one of the lower blocks until Sega sorts this out?

[Yexes]

I love the people who did this. Keep it up.

[CastSoldierFan96]

Not being mean anymore, but you don't seem to get how this all works if you're saying it's wrong to say they don't care, cause THEY REALLLLLY DON'T!

Not all hackers will care but certain people who seek attention and go to the lobby claiming they did it for attention obviously care about your attention. Shouldn't be that hard to understand

edit: attention

[Thermalwolf]

Not all hackers will care but certain people who seek attention and go to the lobby claiming they did it for attention obviously care about your attention. Shouldn't be that hard to understand

The people claiming they did it for attention are definately not he real people who did it. Again this is target at Sega, not the community, it's clearly stated....

[Yexes]

The people claiming they did it for attention are definately not he real people who did it. Again this is target at Sega, not the community, it's clearly stated....

No, I just wanted to see the butthurt in you guys.

[Dan Maku]

No, I just wanted to see the butthurt in you guys.

Is that an admission to trolling I read?

[Thermalwolf]

No, I just wanted to see the butthurt in you guys.

Yep and I'm president Obama.

[EvilMag]

I'm back with popcorn, did I miss anything? Oh I just got to the best part.

[CastSoldierFan96]

ruby can you lock the topic please

[Alenoir]

Don't lock the topic. Just stop the namecalling and everything that drives the topic off-topic.

Anyways, SEGA confirmed about the NPC position. They are investigating it and wants everyone to use another block that's not affected by the problem right now. May get a server reboot soon, don't know.

[Yexes]

Is that an admission to trolling I read?

Admittance* And yes, it is.

[xBladeM6x]

This is what happens when they decide it ALL COOL BRAH, to use GameGuard after countless other MMOs along with PSU itself, have shown it's an out of date pile of crap.

[Dan Maku]

The ticker at the top of the screen in-game confirms Sega is aware of the hacking and are working on it. In the meantime, they suggest what I've been suggesting: moving to other blocks until the matter is resolved.

[kp77]

An In-Game Announcement made like a minute ago.

ただいま一部のブロックにて、NPCの位置が変更されるという不正行為が確認されております。

[Thermalwolf]

This is what happens when they decide it ALL COOL BRAH, to use GameGuard after countless other MMOs along with PSU itself, have shown it's an out of date pile of crap.

At this point it's safe to say they are under a long term contract with Game Guard, only way I can see why the would continue to use Game Guard after it's been proven to be nothing but fail.

Also looking at nProtect's website
"nProtect helps financial institutions secure online banking customer's data from harmful malware and meet FFIEC Regulations"
Someone please tell me the banks that use nProtect so I can avoid any transactions through them O.o

[ForgottenReality]

Now Sega has a good reason to start IP blocking people....

[Dan Maku]

At this point it's safe to say they are under a long term contract with Game Guard, only way I can see why the would continue to use Game Guard after it's been proven to be nothing but fail.

I don't suppose it's at all possible to break that contract?

Also, is SoA under the same contract? Because if it is, this is gonna be worse than when 4chan discovered CosmicBreak.

[CastSoldierFan96]

Now Sega has a good reason to start IP blocking people....

We'll just be getting an English server so there's no need for non-japanese to connect obviously

[Thermalwolf]

We'll just be getting an English server so there's no need for non-japanese to connect obviously

Probably means in the mean time they might, which would suck... Is why this all pisses me off so much is that this gives Sega more incentive to drop a block until we get our own servers. The even more scary part is they have a lot of good reason too now ^^;

[Tessu]

Calm. Those. Tits.

I feel we must all remember these three words during harsh times such as these.

[Thermalwolf]

I don't suppose it's at all possible to break that contract?

Also, is SoA under the same contract? Because if it is, this is gonna be worse than when 4chan discovered CosmicBreak.

There are ways, but they cost vasts amounts of money, especially between two corporations, and nProtect would fight hard as it would look absolutely terrible if they lost a contract early from Sega, but it's not like they already do now ;-)

[ResiDenT]

http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame3/1342028547/367

Here they are.

Zapero and Sziadan
LOL good job

[Swaggerjak]

I hope you guys know that's not a "hack" and lag can make them appear that way. Besides, if it was a"hack" it's not like it's exploiting the game or anything. It's just for see.

Calm. Those. Tits.

I like this guy.

[Dan Maku]

I feel we must all remember these three words during harsh times such as these.

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-your-tits-calm.png

[ForgottenReality]

So Ship 2 Block 15 has gotten hit to with the hacks...


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[Gardios]

This is what happens when they decide it ALL COOL BRAH, to use GameGuard after countless other MMOs along with PSU itself, have shown it's an out of date pile of crap.

What alternatives are there? I only know about HackShield and AhnLab and have no idea how reliable those are. Honest question because I really don't know.

[Jakosifer]

So does this stuff prevent you from talking to the NPC's? I mean, I would never play on any Block where someone was doing this, but I am curious.

[ResiDenT]

What alternatives are there? I only know about HackShield and AhnLab and have no idea how reliable those are. Honest question because I really don't know.
The alternative is to make their own
Not to use an old one


So does this stuff prevent you from talking to the NPC's? I mean, I would never play on any Block where someone was doing this, but I am curious.
You can't talk to the npcs

[Keyblade59]

Is this only on Ship 2? or is this ship wide.

[Zeke154]

Images of block 21
[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=2151&pictureid=29365
[/SPOILER-BOX]
[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=2151&pictureid=29364[/SPOILER-BOX]

its looks like the hackers are targeting populated blocks,

[xBladeM6x]

What alternatives are there? I only know about HackShield and AhnLab and have no idea how reliable those are. Honest question because I really don't know.

Well, any of the alternatives are better for the most part. However as Resident said, it's best to just make their own. If they had gone with that, they could have changed everything to their liking. The only hope for that happening now, is an expansion that changes it.


Is this only on Ship 2? or is this ship wide.
From what I can tell, just Ship 2. Fucking hackers, ruining my game. Go play in traffic.

[batfax]

In case anyone's unaware, if you have a free area unlocked you don't need to rely on the quest NPCs. You can just go to a free field through the spaceport without setting up a room with the counter NPC and use the quest computer. I'm not sure if this has been brought up, as the topic's hard to follow with some of the back and forth going around.

[Alenoir]

Is this only on Ship 2? or is this ship wide.

Only ship 2. Quoting the chat log here. Source (http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame3/1342028547/367) was first linked somewhere earlier in this thread.

[SPOILER-BOX]
367 ：名無しオンライン：2012/07/12(木) 05:52:58.75 ID:0cLVsolu
2012-07-12T05:09:18 83 PUBLIC 10140110 Zapero force sega to patch
2012-07-12T05:09:26 85 PUBLIC 10140110 Zapero they didnt care when we moved people
2012-07-12T05:09:30 86 PUBLIC 10140110 Zapero now they have to care
2012-07-12T05:09:36 87 PUBLIC 10067252 Sziadan we've been at it since closed beta, sega haven't done anything to stop it yet
2012-07-12T05:09:53 88 PUBLIC 10067252 Sziadan /la sit2
2012-07-12T05:10:05 90 PUBLIC 10197844 Vahlyse we should invade blocks 1-5 one day during peak jp times. and let them know how pissed we are
2012-07-12T05:10:07 91 PUBLIC 10140110 Zapero we dont do anything to harm you
2012-07-12T05:10:11 92 PUBLIC 10197844 Vahlyse that servers wont be global...
2012-07-12T05:14:18 105 PUBLIC 10067252 Sziadan we've been moving people behind the window for quite some time now, sega did nothing about it
2012-07-12T05:15:21 112 PUBLIC 10197844 Vahlyse yeah well they need to learn a lesson in busiess
2012-07-12T05:15:52 113 PUBLIC 10197844 Vahlyse not tell people to not play the game
2012-07-12T05:15:59 114 PUBLIC 10197844 Vahlyse thats just bad pratice...
2012-07-12T05:18:48 119 PUBLIC 10197844 Vahlyse a strategy would involve them actually caring about getting money from us
2012-07-12T05:18:54 121 PUBLIC 10197844 Vahlyse in fact its not a stategy at all
2012-07-12T05:19:39 124 PUBLIC 10197844 Vahlyse no i never said they need to learn a lesson i said other businesses dont do @#!@ like that
2012-07-12T05:19:53 130 PUBLIC 10197844 Vahlyse how would nike ever gotten anywhere if its advertisement said

何か犯人とその取り巻き？のチャットログあったんで抜き出してみた[/SPOILER-BOX]

[ResiDenT]

Well, any of the alternatives are better for the most part. However as Resident said, it's best to just make their own. If they had gone with that, they could have changed everything to their liking. The only hope for that happening now, is an expansion that changes it.
Won't happen
You know SEGA

[Shinri]

Jesus christ, do something, Sega. Block 21 and possibly others are currently missing both mission givers and koffee is completely missing

[BIG OLAF]

Only ship 2. Quoting the chat log here. Source (http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame3/1342028547/367) was first linked somewhere earlier in this thread.

[SPOILER-BOX][/SPOILER-BOX]

So, what, they're doing it for the "good" of the English community? A little counter-intuitive, guys. A little bit.

[Dan Maku]

Only ship 2. Quoting the chat log here. Source (http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame3/1342028547/367) was first linked somewhere earlier in this thread.

[SPOILER-BOX][/SPOILER-BOX]

OH, FUCK ME SIDEWAYS! I friended Vahlyse and didn't know!

Must go fix, brb.

[Quadocky]

Only ship 2. Quoting the chat log here. Source (http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame3/1342028547/367) was first linked somewhere earlier in this thread.

[SPOILER-BOX][/SPOILER-BOX]
They can't be serious. That is pretty nonsensical.

[M3rror]

SEGA just made two announcements

ただいま一部のブロックにて、NPCの位置が変更されるという不正行為が確認されております。
現在状況を調査中です。恐れ入りますが、該当ブロックの方は問題が発生していない別ブロックでのプレイをお 願いいたします。

Confirming that the situation is a result of someone hacking.

[Dan Maku]

Here's the message Sega has been broadcasting in-game concerning this matter.


プレイ中の皆様にお知らせいたします。

ただいま一部のブロックにて、NPCの位置が変更されるという不正行為が確認されております。

現在状況を調査中です。恐れ入りますが、該当ブロックの方は問題が発生していない別ブロックでのプレイをお 願いいたします。

English translation:

We are notifying all players in-game.

We have confirmed that there are cheaters altering the positioning of NPCs.

We are looking into the matter. In the meantime, we suggest playing in other Blocks. Thank you.

[Yexes]

IT IS OKAY! I have successfully made Valyhse ragequit block 23 with his butt buddy.

[ScottyMango]

So Ship 2 Block 15 has gotten hit to with the hacks...


2122

Lol hey that's me and my party! :D

[Scrub]

Yo if anyone is talking to the folks doing this tell them I'll paypal 'em 5 bucks to throw all the fucking Client Order NPCs right next to each other in a li'l line.

[Dan Maku]

Block 5 is populated and unaffected. Better get in quick, before it gets messed up.

[heylookapanda]

No, this is sort of good. People will know exactly what is going on. They wont think it is just a glitch and restart their clients.

Plus, as someone mentioned, it is also good to send a general message to our English players to NOT give attention IN-GAME to this "person" who obviously wants it.

I restarted my client like 5 times until one of my friends said it was hackers xD Then I looked behind me and found who I was looking for. This was on Block 15. I think it's kind of funny. At least some blocks are still decent. Could be worse, could be all of them. I'm just glad I can still play :)

[Crimera]

I restarted my client like 5 times until one of my friends said it was hackers xD Then I looked behind me and found who I was looking for. This was on Block 15. I think it's kind of funny. At least some blocks are still decent. Could be worse, could be all of them. I'm just glad I can still play :)


See? this was exactly my point. Never underestimate the information on PSOworld! ^_^

It always helps someone out there...

[Metsume]

Are these the losers? lol

[heylookapanda]

Are these the losers? lol


not smart to advertise yourself as a hacker (speaking of the people in the picture)

[Metsume]

They're just sitting there, relaxing, apparently. Not a care in the world. hahah...

[EXPFULL]

Just put a report on our site, as we were playing when it all hit.

[Metsume]

I'm wondering if this means even more down-time for the servers for Sega to fix the shenanigans going on. I finally got enough time to play, aaand as luck would have it...!

By the way, EXPFULL, I love your podcast. Keep up the good work. I'm sure your next episode will have some mention of this. hahah

[EXPFULL]

By the way, EXPFULL, I love your podcast. Keep up the good work. I'm sure your next episode will have some mention of this. hahah

Thanks! Yep, we're putting out a podcast on this maybe as early as tomorrow night now. Send us a question for it maybe? :D

[ps0k1d]

So, what, they're doing it for the "good" of the English community? A little counter-intuitive, guys. A little bit.

Yeah after reading their chatlog, the mindset these guys have is just insane.

To me it seems like "Lets completely crash the game and mess with everyone's playing experience so big business learns its lesson"

Yeah, that is the way to do it, good job guys. Some of us enjoy playing this game still besides its small quirks, and if they have a problem with write a letter or something. Or better yet, just don't play, the rest of us aren't going to miss em! Don't ruin everyone's game because you two aren't happy with the way its ran.

EDIT: After re-reading the chatlog from them, did they say they were mad because the servers wont be global?

[Peejay]

Yeah after reading their chatlog, the mindset these guys have is just insane.

To me it seems like "Lets completely crash the game and mess with everyone's playing experience so big business learns its lesson"

Yeah, that is the way to do it, good job guys. Some of us enjoy playing this game still besides its small quirks, and if they have a problem with write a letter or something. Or better yet, just don't play,

Stopped reading here with the urge to smack you.

With how SoA's already been handling the publicity, that is just a really poor choice of wording because, well, it's a good game, but there's still this idea that not trusting them as a company means we hate the game itself.

And yeah, so it seems. In fact, they're probably wrecking the game just because they don't believe Sega of America is worth a mosquito's crap anyways. Who would, after the repeated failings under their rule with the rest of the PS series?

[Phantasma]

Yo dawg, they heard you liek mudkipz...so they moved your NPCs so you can...well...continue liking mudkipz without access to said NPCs.

[Dan Maku]

Stopped reading here with the urge to smack you.

With how SoA's already been handling the publicity, that is just a really poor choice of wording because, well, it's a good game, but there's still this idea that not trusting them as a company means we hate the game itself.

And yeah, so it seems. In fact, they're probably wrecking the game just because they don't believe Sega of America is worth a mosquito's crap anyways. Who would, after the repeated failings under their rule with the rest of the PS series?

So you support the hackers?

I don't want to know you. Go play on a freeway.

[Home Dog]

Looks like block 20 is now the "Go afk or use shops cuz that's all you can do" block.

Looks like everyone here is pretty bored.

[SPOILER-BOX]And I just realized that the 2 people that claim they moved the NPCs are in the picture doing nothing as well.
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy57/HomeDogJP/PSO2%20Official/pso20120711_203140_024.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[ps0k1d]

Right, but what i'm trying to say is if you have a problem with a business then take it up with the business! Don't go messing up the game that others are still enjoying because two little whinny kids think that it's their right to do so. All I am saying is leave the two separate! Let people who want to play the game and enjoy ourselves do so, and handle business as business.

[Hobbez]

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/psovivian/9189283.jpg

Seriuosly though, while i have absolutly nothing against anyone here (I've had some really good runs with some of you) I have started to work hard to avoid the unofficial english blocks.

I'd rather go to a low pop block with mostly JP players and deal with the occasional party kick, insult, or just dead silence and avoid this kind of stuff. I've yet to run into any flying NPCs, people outside the window, or players that one-shot everything on any block but 20...

Frankly, I can't wait for ship change to come in the cash shop. It's about the only thing I'd be willing to buy AC for at this point.

[Yexes]

So they're on block 20 or 21? Massive shitstorm incoming.

[TRICKST3R]

Thank goodness I moved to Ship 10.
I haven't seen any of this nonsense going on there, thankfully.

[Yexes]

I scared one off again.

[Arkives]

Good thing I'm on Ship 10...

[HadouMetsu]

I'm curious what anime/manga their talking about in the last picture, first post XD

[Dark Emerald EXE]

I'm kind of confused....except for the NPCs being in odd places. and that one where you see the player behind the glass....

What exactly is hacked?

[Shakuri]

!

Why don't they just change blocks?

[Yexes]

They're both afk killing themselves now. Your welcome.

[Home Dog]

Why don't they just change blocks?Surely they know that they can change blocks. They are probably staying there by choice whether it is to afk, or just talk with others.

[funkyskunk]

This has put me off the game for now. I'm wondering what else people have been hacking. Hopefully SEGA take notice of this and take some drastic action immediately (like not relying on gameguard).

Take the server down, freeze everyones subscriptions, IP block the addresses the hackers used and recode the way the NPC locations work. These loop holes should have been stopped in alpha/beta, I'm pissed off and glad I havn't pumped even more money into such an insecure service.

I need to sleep and get over my disappointment, tut tut tut. I hope I can come back tomorrow in higher spirits.

[Dan Maku]

From the PSO2 twitter.


【Ship02での不正行為について】現在、Ship02の一部ブロックにおいて、アークス・ロビー内のN PCの位置を変更するという不正行為が確認されており、対応策を検討中です。ご迷惑をおかけし申し訳ござい ません。


Concerning the abuse on Ship 02: We are investigating countermeasures for the hacking of the NPCs in the blocks of Ship 02. We apologize for any inconveniences.


【Ship02での不正行為について2】NPCの位置を変更するという不正行為については現在調査中ですが 、この不正行為によりお客様のプレイデータに悪影響が及んだり、個人情報等が漏えいしたりすることはありま せんのでご安心ください。


About the NPC hacking on Ship 02: rest assured, your player data and personal information are not affected.

[BogusKun]

The thing is that the hacking is only following the English-speaking community. Block 3-5 and 30 were also hit because they're also known areas. It didn't get too bad until the Arks City Quest closed in. Myself and some others were constantly disconnected from the servers because of the bug.

[Nu Lo Yin]

I am sorry, but some people are babies. Just play on a different block. Its not that hard to ignore this crap and just move on and play somewhere else. Let SEGA get to it and fix it. They will. But to let this ruin the game for you is your issue, not theirs. It really is easy to find somewhere else to be.

[Garnet_Moon]

Sir! Our ship is on a course to make atmospheric entry onto the planet Naberius! And all the life boats have been jettisoned! What do we doooooo?

[Dark Emerald EXE]

I wonder does the JP Community see Ship 2 (aka where most of the English players at) as a menace to the game's (Well JP server's health) Not to say some JPs don't hack?


Although it is only a select few of people I'm sure there's people out there who who feel it's us as a whole... (stereotype)


:-(

[Dan Maku]

I am sorry, but some people are babies. Just play on a different block. Its not that hard to ignore this crap and just move on and play somewhere else. Let SEGA get to it and fix it. They will. But to let this ruin the game for you is your issue, not theirs. It really is easy to find somewhere else to be.

We shouldn't have to put up with this crap like you're suggesting we do. If you hack the game and inconvenience other players, you should be banned permanently from the game. No one should have to suffer because some script-kiddy is butthurt.

[ScottyMango]

This has put me off the game for now. I'm wondering what else people have been hacking. Hopefully SEGA take notice of this and take some drastic action immediately (like not relying on gameguard).

Take the server down, freeze everyones subscriptions, IP block the addresses the hackers used and recode the way the NPC locations work. These loop holes should have been stopped in alpha/beta, I'm pissed off and glad I havn't pumped even more money into such an insecure service.

I need to sleep and get over my disappointment, tut tut tut. I hope I can come back tomorrow in higher spirits.

Sorry, but.. they moved the NPCs a bit, and THIS is how mad you get?

This is annoying, yes, but it's not a terrible disaster. It could be far, far worse than a few NPCs getting moved around.

[Massaki]

【悪質行為によるアカウント利用停止措置について】2012/6/21(木)～7/12(木)の期間、利用約款違反のアカウント75件に利用停止措置を実施いたしました。今後も悪質行為に対 しては厳正な対処を行います。　

Latest Twitter from PSO2's official account. About 75 accounts were banned on accounts of malicious acts. If it's related to any of what is currently happening, I have no idea, but I'd say so.

Kinda thinking it was worth it to take a short break from the game to do something else.

[Dan Maku]

More from Twitter.


【悪質行為によるアカウント利用停止措置について】2012/6/21(木)～7/12(木)の期間、利用約款違反のアカウント75件に利用停止措置を実施いたしました。今後も悪質行為に対 しては厳正な対処を行います。　


Concerning punishment of the accounts responsible for the hacking: we are implementing measures to ban the 75 accounts who were responsible for cheating during the period of time from June 21 to July 12. We will also be cracking down on further violations of the ToS in the future.

[Home Dog]

Latest Twitter from PSO2's official account. About 75 accounts were banned on accounts of malicious acts. If it's related to any of what is currently happening, I have no idea, but I'd say so.

Kinda thinking it was worth it to take a short break from the game to do something else.

75 accounts! Cool!

[Dan Maku]

Sorry, but.. they moved the NPCs a bit, and THIS is how mad you get?

This is annoying, yes, but it's not a terrible disaster. It could be far, far worse than a few NPCs getting moved around.

They moved the NPCs to areas where we could not reach them and begin missions or perform client orders.

This complacency with the hackers' actions is just infuriating. People like you are just as bad as the hackers and make every game you play worse for it.

[Garnet_Moon]

Sorry, but.. they moved the NPCs a bit, and THIS is how mad you get?

This is annoying, yes, but it's not a terrible disaster. It could be far, far worse than a few NPCs getting moved around.

The game has been officially out for about a week now and this is already happening. Now... imagine a month from now. Two months. Three. A year from now. This might be fixed the very next time Gameguard is updated and we may never, ever see hackers or script kiddies again. On that same coin, it might not fix it.

If this gets out, god forbid, onto a review site acclaimed around the world, it will be very, very bad and could jeopardize a North American / European release. All because of a very small group in an already small group of English players trying to enjoy a game they waited so very long for.

[funkyskunk]

Sorry, but.. they moved the NPCs a bit, and THIS is how mad you get?

I'm sorry but the NPC's are server side. When you buy Arks Cash SEGA can hold your credit card info on file if you want them to. If their servers are getting hacked in anyway what-so-ever (NPC's or anything) then the security issues HAVE to be of a concern unless you are a moron.


More from Twitter.

At least SEGA are taking this more serious than ScottyMango

[CastSoldierFan96]

LOL man.. the positions are being changed client side, don't think your credit card info will be stolen just because of this.

this whole topic is so fun

[Garnet_Moon]

They banned 75 people from June to July... does ANYBODY know if 0x90 was one of them~?

[ScottyMango]

People like you are just as bad as the hackers and make every game you play worse for it. Do us all a favor and fuck off.

Yes, I get it, you're mad. But how on earth is complacency equal to the actual act of hacking?

That's just silly. Please, relax.

And guys, when it comes to hackers like this, I don't think banning really means anything. They can easily come right on back.

[CastSoldierFan96]

Yes, I get it, you're mad. But how on earth is complacency equal to the actual act of hacking?

That's just silly. Please, relax.

Don't worry. You're the correct and actually rational one who is not being fueled by anger

[Garnet_Moon]

Yes, I get it, you're mad. But how on earth is complacency equal to the actual act of hacking?

That's just silly. Please, relax.

And guys, when it comes to hackers like this, I don't think banning really means anything. They can easily come right on back.

Not to ship 2! It's currently locked, as I last recall...

[funkyskunk]

LOL man.. the positions are being changed client side

Sure but the server sends the positions.

[CastSoldierFan96]

Sure but the server sends the positions.

No, you do not know how it works at all, sorry. It is being edited client side and the server is believing that since it was edited on their clients that the NPCs are supposed to be there. Once it is edited all it does is send out a packet to tell the server to move them there. There is no real hacking or anything involved

[Nu Lo Yin]

We shouldn't have to put up with this crap like you're suggesting we do. If you hack the game and inconvenience other players, you should be banned permanently from the game. No one should have to suffer because some script-kiddy is butthurt.

Put up with it till SEGA fixes it. Dont let it turn you off the game completely. YOu can still find places to play and just get by. SEGA will fix this, and yes those who hack should get perma banned. But still, you can have fun on the game till its fixed. I just dont get those who are now turned off from this. There is still places to play

[Quatre52]

block 20 looks to be back to normal.

[Triple_S]

For those that don't know, you can still party up on affected blocks by going to the campship and accepting missions there. Client Orders are out of the question, but you can just jump blocks and turn those in.

[ScottyMango]

Not to ship 2! It's currently locked, as I last recall...

That's a good point, I forgot about that much. But if they have no way to get back in after being banned (which I assume they were), then who is currently doing all this hacking? Different people each time? Shame if it's become such a widespread, easy to do thing.

And I was thinking that exact thing Triple_S. Really, at most, it's just a minor inconvenience. Somewhat annoying, yes, and it really needs to be fixed, but it's still not worth getting that mad over.

[ps0k1d]

LOL man.. the positions are being changed client side, don't think your credit card info will be stolen just because of this.

this whole topic is so fun

You're telling me that these hackers are changing everyone's NPC's location client side to the same exact location on all of our clients!? Man, if this is the case I would be more worried about personal info on your own computer.

To bad yes they are changing things server side, there would be no other way everyone would see the NPC's in the same spot at the same time. So there is some sort of exploit that they are using, and have been since CBT according to them. And if they can change things server side to affect our game play I would call it a very big issue.


No, you do not know how it works at all, sorry. It is being edited client side and the server is believing that since it was edited on their clients that the NPCs are supposed to be there. Once it is edited all it does is send out a packet to tell the server to move them there. There is no real hacking or anything involved

Okay, but then how did they do this with afk players a few days ago? There is no way to edit other player's location data client side.

[CastSoldierFan96]

You're telling me that these hackers are changing everyone's NPC's client side to the same exact location on all of our clients!? Man, if this is the case I would be more worried about personal info on your own computer.

To bad yes they are changing things server side, there would be no way everyone would see the NPC's in the same spot at the same time. So there is some sort of exploit that they are using, and have been since CBT according to them. And if they can change things server side to affect our game play I would call it a very big issue.

I already explained what is happening and you're wrong. Only client side edits are being done.

[funkyskunk]

Only client side edits are being done.

Client hacks were done (via cheat engine) which effected the server.

You are telling us that all of our PC's are hacked (all of our clients we are running have been modified!!!!). Think what you are saying.

[CastSoldierFan96]

Client hacks were done (via cheat engine) which effected the server.

Exactly. It's still only a client side edit.

[funkyskunk]

Which effected the server. Goodnight.

[CastSoldierFan96]

I already said it affected the server in my previous posts. You made it seem like they were hacking into the server and it was so terrible when it's only a change on the client. Obviously many client-side hacks can affect the server.

[Dan Maku]

Exactly. It's still only a client side edit.

I wish you could read what you're posting, so then maybe you'd realize how horrible you are and gouge your own eyes out.

[CastSoldierFan96]

I wish you could read what you're posting, so then maybe you'd realize how horribly retarded you are and gouge your own eyes out.

You have a lot to learn about how all of this works if you think I'm the retarded one

[ScottyMango]

He really does. He also has a lot to learn about how this forum works, because if he keeps posting like that, he's going to be banned.

[Renvalt]

Client hacks were done (via cheat engine) which effected the server.

You are telling us that all of our PC's are hacked (all of our clients we are running have been modified!!!!). Think what you are saying.


That's "think about what you are saying" you dunce. And if it's able to move players as well as NPCs, then it's no longer a simple client side edit. You have to realize that.

I mean, if they could move the NPCs, why then is it so hard for the English language patch team to cork out a working patch for the game? Simple - these "script kiddies" only have malice and revenge on their minds when doing this. And they're gonna cause as much damage as possible because "we shuld rool gaemz roflmaobbq" - these kids have no maturity.

As for their argument about "global server", it's only been, what, one week since official release, and not even that long for a NA/EU announcement? They think they know everything when they don't.

And I'm also concerned about why they would want "global server" in the first place - are they thinking about harassing the Japanese with hentai and shit? If so, gut these kids in the throat. They don't deserve to live.

[Vashyron]

You guys underestimate how derp their coding is.

Maybe someone else here remembers a video showing off someone having partner npcs following them in the lobby in CBT (but not in their party) and everyone else could see them.

[CastSoldierFan96]

Only a client side edit is being done and I'm trying to let people know to not freak out even more because someone was trying to make people think their credit cards are at risk. No one is hacking into the server and changing the NPC positions. Sometimes the server BELIEVES things the client sends it. It almost seems like every hack is server-side if we're going to look at it your way.

[ps0k1d]

What i'm trying to say is you cant change something to your own client, and force hundreds of others to view it the same way without changing the server in one way or another.

With what you are saying, i could change something to my client, say the location of all the bank terminals and then everyone else in my block would view the changes i made to my client. However it just doesn't work that way without some communication and checks from the server. Furthermore, like i posted before, tell me how they changed the location of afk actual players? Those players data aren't stored anywhere in my own client so therefore there isn't anything i can modify.

[CastSoldierFan96]

tell me how they changed the location of afk actual players

Their player IDs are stored in your client and their positions can be updated if you switch your ID to theirs. This is again a client-side change that the server ends up believing. No direct editing or hacking of the server is involved therefore it is not server-side. Just because it affects the server in one way or another does not mean it's a server-side hack.

[Dan Maku]

What i'm trying to say is you cant change something to your own client, and force hundreds of others to view it the same way without changing the server in one way or another.

With what you are saying, i could change something to my client, say the location of all the bank terminals and then everyone else in my block would view the changes i made to my client. However it just doesn't work that way without some communication and checks from the server. Furthermore, like i posted before, tell me how they changed the location of afk actual players? Those players data aren't stored anywhere in my own client so therefore there isn't anything i can modify.

Don't bother trying to argue with this guy. He's just gonna give you the same "client-side only derp" shpeel until he gets banned for trolling.

[CastSoldierFan96]

Don't bother trying to argue with this dick. He's just gonna give you the same "client-side only derp" shpeel until he gets banned for trolling.

I'm not trolling I just have experience in network security that you clearly don't.

[Cavistus]

Um. Just so you know, Sega has already confirmed that this was done by hackers. It was said in an announcement broadcast in-game.

[ps0k1d]

Yeah Dan Maku. I'm over it. :)

On the subject of the overall hacks, ship two seems to be nice and empty today.

[Renvalt]

Only a client side edit is being done and I'm trying to let people know to not freak out even more because someone was trying to make people think their credit cards are at risk. No one is hacking into the server and changing the NPC positions. Sometimes the server BELIEVES things the client sends it. It almost seems like every hack is server-side if we're going to look at it your way.

I'm inclined to believe you're one of the hackers, because your logic is just appalling. That's not how MMOs work, you dunce. It's not like Hamachi, where one computer hosts all the other stuff in the network.

Servers for a game like this are much more complicated than you think - hell, even I don't know the FULL technicalities of how they work, only some of the core basics.

But I know enough to know that one or two rogue clients not on the Administrative network could influence an entire server without hacking into it.

The server "believes" that this is occurring because the client in question is sending packets of data to change the administrative network - something no normal user client has. To gain Administrative access, you either need to A)Steal a GM's account or client, or B)modify the server permissions to give you administrative access. Both are hacking, no matter how you look at it.

[ScottyMango]

Don't bother trying to argue with this dick. He's just gonna give you the same "client-side only derp" shpeel until he gets banned for trolling.
Listen, Dan, I know you're mad and all, but I'm going to give you a heads up. Talking like that (flaming, etc) is very much against the rules. If anyone is going to be banned, it's going to be you, as your last three posts have been nothing but straight up rage-fueled attacks.

Please try to refrain from turning this topic into petty, name-calling nonsense because you don't agree with somebody.

[CastSoldierFan96]

The server "believes" that this is occurring because the client in question is sending packets of data to change the administrative network - something no normal user client has. To gain Administrative access, you either need to A)Steal a GM's account or client, or B)modify the server permissions to give you administrative access. Both are hacking, no matter how you look at it.

No. Two regular users are doing thing because it is an exploit in which the server is getting updated positions of the NPCs from their clients because they changed it on their client. The problem is bad coding and that is how this exploit was found. There is no administrative access or server permissions being edited. I don't know why you cannot understand this.

[Garnet_Moon]

Block 20 is emptyyyyyyy

[xBladeM6x]

For the people arguing, SEGA already said it was hackers, there's chat logs of dumb people already admitting to it. FFS.

/closetopic

[ps0k1d]

Block 20 is emptyyyyyyy

Party in block 20!

[Dhylec]

Ok everybody, let's agree to disagree about how the hacking/glitching happened. SoJ is informed & hopefully they'll do something soon.
Now, no need to get all nasty with each other - Not worth being banned for it.