The RNG Thread

[Zyrusticae]

For ranting and raving about the bloody RNG (random number generator, for those not in the know).

I've been trying to get decent affix combinations on my bloody units for a LONG time now. Absolutely no luck whatsoever.

I went from a unit with 3 affixes to a unit with 0. ZERO! ZEERROOOO!!!! And then every attempt I make to at least get one affix on the bloody thing results in FAILURE.


...Then I go grind my rare 9* staff and get to +8 on the first try. LOL RNG
(Note: I REFUSE to go past +9 on any rare. I get enough grief as it is on the damn affixes.)


I cannot even fathom how those folks with souls + level 3 shoot/power/technic affixes managed to do it. I mean, besides raw bloody luck, that is. Good grief! :-?

[mhjc]

You have awful luck. Fathom that those people throw enough money at it until it works (ie: kokori), then they sell them to others.

[Amaranthus]

I know what you mean. I've had the same predicament and Mizer's soul don't drop that often. :\ Now I'm just hoping to get at least its soul onto my weapon again and screw Shoot3.

[sugarFO]

Hmm affixing is probably pretty scary when you're trying to add stuff to items... but for me, I just bought armor with the affixes I want and it was relatively cheap (like 40-60k each). Grinded them to +10 and done. But I suppose as we get more item and level updates it won't end up that simple anymore. ^^;

I feel you on the grinding rares. My Stella is still +8 because even though I have plenty of money I simply refuse to risk going back down to +5. ._.

[Zyrusticae]

What's particularly funny is how I have a unit with Power II and Vol Soul on my hunter, and that was an upgrade from one slot, so the odds were even worse!

So you can go from beating the odds one day to 'THE ODDS SAY FUCK YOU' the other day. This of course merely reaffirms the fact that it is indeed random. I just wish it didn't hurt so damn badly when I failed...

[mhjc]

What's particularly funny is how I have a unit with Power II and Vol Soul on my hunter, and that was an upgrade from one slot, so the odds were even worse!

So you can go from beating the odds one day to 'THE ODDS SAY FUCK YOU' the other day. This of course merely reaffirms the fact that it is indeed random. I just wish it didn't hurt so damn badly when I failed...

I know exactly what you mean, especially those 80% stacks that all seem to fail too :P

You're better off just making a "new" armor set when you plan to add. That way you don't ruin current equipment. It pays off more instead of leaving you with nothing like you've had before.

[BIG OLAF]

I've had multiple times where 80% success-rate abilities failed and the 30% ones all succeeded.

Riddle me goddamn that, Batman.

[JeyKama]

It took me 2.5M (using my own grinders, mind you...) to get my second Tig Ridol to +10. My first one I spent 4M crit failing at +9 until I used an AC 0 risk lock. The second one proceeded to fail with the AC 0 risk locks another 8 times x(

Then the same gun upgraded from 0 slots to Mizer Soul + Shoot III first try... ┐(￣ー￣|||)┌

[Zyrusticae]

You have quite the willpower, Jey...

I'd have quit on the first million. o.o;

[JeyKama]

I don't think it is willpower so much as mulish angriness and spite :<

[eharima]

Have they implemented PUNCH DODO yet?

Alot of factoring seems to be with the rarity of items you are using TO grind and BASE items rarity.
seems to be alot more likely to happens successfully when low star rares in play regardless the fact you have 85% chance or not ahha.
thats just my opinion tho.

[Jiraiza]

Mizer Soul, Shoot III, Arm II, and Ability I on my +10 Hotdog (Trigidor). Fancy that RNG. Still working on my second +10 hotdog, should've just grind protected that +9 that one time...

[NoiseHERO]

Aren't there success rate boosting items?

Wait, I think they suck or something...

[soulpimpwizzurd]

I mean, besides raw bloody luck

unlimited funds gained from selling junk on auctionhouse they get from arcs cratch can help.

you can make much much much much more money if you simply have access to auction house, compared to your run of the mill grinding and selling garbage loot.

i'm assuming that most players with those kinds of getups are premium at least.

i'm not that greedy, i just stuck vol souls on all 3 of my stamina sub units and called it good.

[gigawuts]

The funny thing about RNG systems as wretchedly bad as this affix system is that it's NOT balanced for one or two attempts with such heavy penalties - it's balanced for people who will try and try and try. Given one or two armors you're most likely to be above or below the average - not on it. Who keeps trying after they succeed? People who don't want just one success. People who, you know, affix things for the express purpose of selling them.

IOW it's a system designed specifically to mess with the little guy who won't do enough affixing to ever reach the true average, and will almost certainly deal with extremes on either side. Most players try just enough times to create their own equips, if they even go that far. It's not likely that they'll net the average number of required attempts. They'll be either above or below it, by and large.

So it rewards people who do dozens if not hundreds of affixings, since they can turn a profit by selling close to the average (what with their own average successes tending towards the "true" average and all).

This. Is. Bad. Design.

[JeyKama]

unlimited funds gained from selling junk on auctionhouse they get from arcs cratch can help.

you can make much much much much more money if you simply have access to auction house, compared to your run of the mill grinding and selling garbage loot.

i'm assuming that most players with those kinds of getups are premium at least.

i'm not that greedy, i just stuck vol souls on all 3 of my stamina sub units and called it good.

"Unlimited" my arse. Maybe if you get non-stop female FOTM clothing and rappy suits, but mostly AC Scratch is not for making meseta, just losing your own money :P

Having a shop does make a huge difference though, yes.

[Heat Haze]

I have terrible luck when it comes to ability affixing on normal weapons. I failed at getting Poison on any weapon, so I stopped visiting Dodo for a while. Once I got rares, I figured I might as well try visiting him again; with.. mixed results.

I got Cruel Coffin and Garland to +10.

Cruel Coffin took.. quite.. a bit. 1 Million I want to say, but I'm not too sure.

Garland on the other hand, took about 300k to get to +10 and get Technic III + Ragne Soul on it.

The RNG is pretty annoying though.

[SaiKo]

Up and down with my Tigredor... Got to 7 and decided to stay there for awhile. Decided to push it and actually got it to 9. Tried to push it again, and now I'm at 5 with no more money and no motivation to bother farming for more. Should just buy them through the shops from now on, but I just can't be arsed to farm 3 million+ for one bloody item...

[Macman]

I can't get any rare to +10

I pretty much stop at +8 Can't risk going back down to +5, effectively wasting the hundreds of thousands of meseta I spent struggling to even get that high.

[jooozek]

Someone said to just spam Enter till it gets to +10, so I went ahead yestertday and tried this method out:

[SPOILER-BOX]2012-07-28T14:03:23 15 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+2 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:22 16 [Grind(failure) -0] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+2 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:22 17 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:27 18 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+3 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:27 19 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:30 20 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+4 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:30 21 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:33 22 [Grind(failure) -0] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+4 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:33 23 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:36 24 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+5 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:36 25 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:39 26 [Grind(failure) -0] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+5 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:39 27 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:42 28 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+6 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:42 29 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:46 30 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+7 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:46 31 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:49 32 [Grind(failure) -1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+6 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:49 33 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:52 34 [Grind(failure) -1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+5 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:52 35 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:56 36 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+6 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:56 37 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:04:59 38 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+7 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:04:59 39 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:05:02 40 [Grind(failure) -1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+6 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:05:02 41 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:05:06 42 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+7 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:05:06 43 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:05:09 44 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+8 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:05:09 45 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:05:12 46 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+9 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:05:12 47 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:05:15 48 [Grind(failure) -1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+8 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:05:15 49 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:05:19 50 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+9 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:05:19 51 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)
2012-07-28T14:05:22 52 [Grind(success) +1] 10365545 jooozekFO ラッピーファンファン+10 attr:Dark(15)
2012-07-28T14:05:22 53 :Consume 10365545 jooozekFO グラインダー Num(2)[/SPOILER-BOX]

[NoiseHERO]

Man, I thought I had it bad. I always eventually get all my weapons to +10 (All 7*+ because I hate looking at basic weapons...)

But people here just up and give up.

I guess the effort and punishment towards grinding does still make +10 fair while still keeping a max grind... kind of special... Compared to the weapon breaking or getting nerfed permanently or getting random stats.



edit: @ joozek, that's pretty much what I do till all my grinders are gone >_>

DON'T THINK, JUST KEEP GOING TILL IT'S TIME TO CUT YOURSELF! My Zanba went straight from 1 to 10 without a fail... But that was the only time that had ever happened. >_>;;

[Macman]

How much meseta did you spend per attempt?

You're just lucky you didn't get hit with one of those "went from +9 to +6" blows. That shit just hurts.

[jooozek]

4500 iirc.

[Macman]

I tried grinding my hotdog rifle a while back. Got to +8, then went down to +5, then +4, then +3, and I spent hundreds of thousands of meseta just to finally get back to a mediocre +6 and stopped.

It's just too much, I can't imagine the pain PSU players went through.

[jooozek]

Well, I've had my fair share of horror too.
[SPOILER-BOX]
(784 ) 2012-07-01T13:37:24 1 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル attr:Fire(17)
(785 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:08 2 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+1 attr:Fire(17)
(787 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:13 4 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+2 attr:Fire(17)
(789 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:17 6 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+2 attr:Fire(17)
(791 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:21 8 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+1 attr:Fire(17)
(793 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:25 10 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+2 attr:Fire(17)
(795 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:29 12 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(17)
(797 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:33 14 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(799 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:38 16 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(17)
(801 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:42 18 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(803 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:46 20 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(805 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:50 22 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(807 ) 2012-07-01T13:38:55 24 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(809 ) 2012-07-01T13:39:00 26 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(811 ) 2012-07-01T13:39:04 28 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(813 ) 2012-07-01T13:39:12 30 [Grind(failure) -2] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(815 ) 2012-07-01T13:39:16 32 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(817 ) 2012-07-01T13:39:21 34 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(at this point, wow, my luck, it doesn't end)
(348 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:02 1068 [Grind(failure) -2] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(350 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:07 1070 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(352 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:12 1072 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(354 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:17 1074 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(356 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:21 1076 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(358 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:26 1078 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(360 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:30 1080 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(362 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:34 1082 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(364 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:38 1084 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(366 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:42 1086 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(368 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:47 1088 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+9 attr:Fire(17)
(370 ) 2012-07-02T13:12:51 1090 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(622 ) 2012-07-04T10:46:44 692 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(624 ) 2012-07-04T10:46:49 694 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(626 ) 2012-07-04T10:46:53 696 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+9 attr:Fire(17)
(628 ) 2012-07-04T10:46:57 698 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(630 ) 2012-07-04T10:47:02 700 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+9 attr:Fire(17)
(632 ) 2012-07-04T10:47:06 702 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(634 ) 2012-07-04T10:47:10 704 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+9 attr:Fire(17)
(636 ) 2012-07-04T10:47:14 706 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(638 ) 2012-07-04T10:47:19 708 [Grind(failure) -2] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(640 ) 2012-07-04T10:47:29 710 [Leave0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(1889 ) 2012-07-04T13:52:44 2030 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(1891 ) 2012-07-04T13:52:48 2032 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(1893 ) 2012-07-04T13:52:52 2034 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(1895 ) 2012-07-04T13:52:57 2036 [Grind(failure) -2] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(1897 ) 2012-07-04T13:53:01 2038 [Grind(failure) -2] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(17)
(1899 ) 2012-07-04T13:53:11 2040 [Leave0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(17)
(2866 ) 2012-07-04T19:05:00 739 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(2868 ) 2012-07-04T19:05:05 741 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(2870 ) 2012-07-04T19:05:09 743 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(2872 ) 2012-07-04T19:05:13 745 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(2874 ) 2012-07-04T19:05:17 747 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(2876 ) 2012-07-04T19:05:21 749 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(2878 ) 2012-07-04T19:05:39 751 [Leave0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(3497 ) 2012-07-04T23:00:35 755 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(3499 ) 2012-07-04T23:00:40 757 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+9 attr:Fire(17)
(3501 ) 2012-07-04T23:00:44 759 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(3503 ) 2012-07-04T23:00:48 761 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+9 attr:Fire(17)
(3597 ) 2012-07-04T23:15:04 866 [Leave0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+9 attr:Fire(17)
(4188 ) 2012-07-05T00:09:39 1546 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(4190 ) 2012-07-05T00:09:43 1548 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(4192 ) 2012-07-05T00:09:48 1550 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(4194 ) 2012-07-05T00:09:53 1552 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+9 attr:Fire(17)
(4196 ) 2012-07-05T00:09:58 1554 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(4198 ) 2012-07-05T00:10:02 1556 [Grind(failure) -2] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(4200 ) 2012-07-05T00:10:07 1558 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(4202 ) 2012-07-05T00:10:52 1560 [Leave0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(561 ) 2012-07-05T12:55:34 496 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(563 ) 2012-07-05T12:55:39 498 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+9 attr:Fire(17)
(565 ) 2012-07-05T12:55:43 500 [Grind(failure) -2] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(567 ) 2012-07-05T12:55:47 502 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(569 ) 2012-07-05T12:57:30 504 [Leave0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(570 ) 2012-07-05T13:02:49 506 [Leave0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(1565 ) 2012-07-05T20:26:15 265 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(1567 ) 2012-07-05T20:26:22 267 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(1569 ) 2012-07-05T20:26:28 269 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(1571 ) 2012-07-05T20:26:35 271 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(1573 ) 2012-07-05T20:26:41 273 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(1575 ) 2012-07-05T20:26:47 275 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(1577 ) 2012-07-05T20:26:59 277 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(1579 ) 2012-07-05T20:27:05 279 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(1581 ) 2012-07-05T20:27:09 281 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(1583 ) 2012-07-05T20:27:21 283 [Leave0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(499 ) 2012-07-06T10:45:46 549 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(501 ) 2012-07-06T10:45:50 551 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(503 ) 2012-07-06T10:45:54 553 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(505 ) 2012-07-06T10:45:58 555 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(507 ) 2012-07-06T10:46:01 557 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(509 ) 2012-07-06T10:46:17 559 [Leave0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(2190 ) 2012-07-06T22:56:54 1304 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(2192 ) 2012-07-06T22:56:58 1306 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(2194 ) 2012-07-06T22:57:02 1308 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(2196 ) 2012-07-06T22:57:07 1310 [Grind(failure) -2] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(2198 ) 2012-07-06T22:57:12 1312 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(2200 ) 2012-07-06T22:57:16 1314 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(2202 ) 2012-07-06T22:57:20 1316 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(2204 ) 2012-07-06T22:57:26 1318 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(2228 ) 2012-07-06T23:32:59 1474 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(1811 ) 2012-07-07T15:48:32 686 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(17)
(1813 ) 2012-07-07T15:48:36 688 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(427 ) 2012-07-13T16:58:24 3 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(17)
(429 ) 2012-07-13T16:58:29 5 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(431 ) 2012-07-13T16:58:33 7 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(433 ) 2012-07-13T16:58:37 9 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(17)
(435 ) 2012-07-13T16:58:41 11 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(17)
(437 ) 2012-07-13T16:58:47 13 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(17)
(439 ) 2012-07-13T16:58:51 15 [Grind(success) +1] 10064690 jooozek ティグリドル+9 attr:Fire(17)
[/SPOILER-BOX]

What I know is that I won't be trying to get this to +10 till I get my other one to +9

[gigawuts]

I found my 11th daylight scar today, whoopee

Oh but when I checked my inventory I had a bell card wtf hooray

edit: Hey jooozek, where are you getting those printouts? Is it in the chat window and I just never noticed? I've been tracking my grind failures for the last two weapons, it eases my nerves to at least make progress in determining how much I should expect to spend on average to get success (I have yet to get a +10 derp)

And +9 to +6. Ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, try +9 to +3 1 lost grind at a time.

[Garnet_Moon]

It's just too much, I can't imagine the pain PSU players went through.

First, you had to get the [B] synth board to have your Partner Machine synth it for you. Then you needed to farm the materials... which drop slightly more often than a Sealed J-Sword. Then you had to start the synth and wait X amount of days for your PM to finish it.

All that work and now time to grind!

Get to +9 just fine, then on +10 the grind fails and the item you are grinding is destroyed.

;____________;

[Zyrusticae]

Same situation with my Gaarando. Got it up to +9, now it's just failure city from there. Not bothering anymore.


2012-07-29T15:01:58 1373 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+8 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:01:58 1374 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:02 1375 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+7 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:02 1376 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:05 1377 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+8 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:05 1378 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:08 1380 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+7 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:08 1381 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:11 1382 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+6 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:11 1383 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:14 1384 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+5 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:14 1385 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:17 1386 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+4 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:17 1387 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:20 1388 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+3 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:20 1389 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:23 1390 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+4 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:23 1391 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:25 1392 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+5 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:25 1393 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:29 1394 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+5 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:29 1395 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:31 1396 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+6 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:31 1397 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:34 1398 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+7 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:34 1399 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:38 1400 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+5 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:38 1401 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:41 1402 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+5 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:41 1403 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:44 1404 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+6 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:44 1405 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:47 1407 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+7 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:47 1408 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:51 1409 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+5 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:51 1410 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:55 1411 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+4 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:55 1412 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:02:57 1414 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+5 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:02:57 1415 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:03:00 1416 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+5 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:03:00 1417 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:03:02 1418 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+6 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:03:02 1419 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-29T15:03:05 1420 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ガーランド+7 attr:Thunder(19)
2012-07-29T15:03:05 1421 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(3)
Grumble, grumble, sigh, mutter, mutter...

[jooozek]

edit: Hey jooozek, where are you getting those printouts? Is it in the chat window and I just never noticed? I've been tracking my grind failures for the last two weapons, it eases my nerves to at least make progress in determining how much I should expect to spend on average to get success (I have yet to get a +10 derp)

And +9 to +6. Ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, try +9 to +3 1 lost grind at a time.


My documents\SEGA\PHANTASYSTARONLINE2\log\
ActionLog is what the stuff you do goes generally.

[TaigaUC]

The enhancement systems alone make the game an unpleasant and frustrating experience. This alone should be reason enough to remove it from the game. It's tantamount to punishment and torture.

Receiving a rare should be a happy thing, but it ends up being miserable when hundreds of thousands to millions of meseta goes down the drain immediately afterward, without any form of positive return.

It seems to end up being less expensive to simply purchase a +10 with decent affixes than to take chances, or maybe even to buy a maxed-out non-rare. At least you can sell that off when you're done using it...

[gigawuts]

Yeah rares used to be something nice, now they're something I sell because they're not top tier and why would I spend a bajillion meseta improving something just for it to perform worse than something that's the same bajillion meseta plus another couple hundred thousand meseta.

[aduran]

it is very broken. i have gotten 3 affixes to succeed at 30% all of them and i got failures at 80%

[Hosaka]

I hate you, Dodo. Why do you laugh in my face after taking my money and Grinders?

Best advice I can give when upgrading is to get drunk, mute the game, take a couple of deep breaths right before you hit the final "confirm" button, and just not give a damn and move onto your next attempt if you fail.

[gigawuts]

If I get drunk enough and do that I will probably think dodo isn't on the screen, he's actually inside the monitor.

I will punch my monitor just to be sure.

[Primobol]

From my experience I can say: do NOT buy those grind protectors for 300k each. If you got one for free, then yeah use it with a +5% success chance when you're going from 8 to 9, or 9 to 10.

I just spent 3 mil on those protectors to rise my "Spardaion" from +8 to +10. It'd be surely cheaper to just brute force grind it to +10. I think an average of 80~100 tries is what it takes to rise a rare from 0 to 10.

[Julliz]

having tried to add affixes to my weapon was a bad idea right before maintenance lol. now i'm left broke with an affix-less partisan and a few hours to wait.

sega can't be serious when it takes 500k just to get vol soul BACK on my weapon. every time i visit dodo, i feel myself die a little bit more inside.

[Daiyousei]

Time to grind


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN8DS5jkSK8

[GoldenFalcon]

having tried to add affixes to my weapon was a bad idea right before maintenance lol. now i'm left broke with an affix-less partisan and a few hours to wait.

sega can't be serious when it takes 500k just to get vol soul BACK on my weapon. every time i visit dodo, i feel myself die a little bit more inside.

This is definitely a thing. I've had experiences where I pay 300k or 650k just to get the stat bonuses I want
Also, I failed 5 times while grinding my 2* weapon up to +7, and now need more meseta just to try to grind it to 10

[Heat Haze]

Terrible luck with grinding weapons I plan to keep, amazing luck with things I plan to resell. Usually. Two instances were:

Had one of those days where I didn't feel like putting up with the RNG, tried to ability affix. Attempting Mizer Soul and Technic III on the Fegali units (Could go with Ragne Soul, but I'd rather keep my damage variance the same while upping my T-Atk slightly.). Failed twice or so, with only Technic III on one unit. Decided "**** it, I'll just throw the soul on there without adding another slot." The percentages were 37% on the Soul and 45% on Technic III and both made it on there.

Took 1.2 Million Meseta to grind my Cruel Coffin to +10 (Large amount came from grind protection). Took 400k Meseta to get Garland to +10 while adding Ragne Soul and Technic III.

TL;DR, the RNG is a giant troll.

[JeyKama]

Attempting Mizer Soul and Technic III on the Fegali units (Could go with Ragne Soul, but I'd rather keep my damage variance the same while upping my T-Atk slightly.).

I do hope you meant Signo Soul or something... @@;

[Heat Haze]

I do hope you meant Signo Soul or something... @@;

Yeah, meant Signo Soul. The thing that had ability +30. It would be stupid to have R-Atk on there, hahah. My bad.

I do prefer affixing over grinding since I usually have plenty of meseta, but I burn through grinders fast.

[SaiKo]

Finally got that Tigredor to +1Ø.
Lost my Shoot III trying to put a Mizer Soul on it.
Ended up settling for just getting Mizer Soul on it at this point... And now I'm broke again.

Attempting to get a decent rifle has destroyed my endeavour to purchase/unlock all accessory tickets. :-(

Don't even want to think about what I'd have to go through to get Mizer Souls on my units...

[gigawuts]

Now is EXACTLY the wrong time to be trying to grind and affix a powerful weapon guys. New weapons are either hours or days away.

[SaiKo]

Now is EXACTLY the wrong time to be trying to grind and affix a powerful weapon guys. New weapons are either hours or days away.

Still trying to unlock mines and that stupid 9999 Snowcats video ruined me. <_<

[Heat Haze]

Now is EXACTLY the wrong time to be trying to grind and affix a powerful weapon guys. New weapons are either hours or days away.

That's what I thought before Mines came out, but my current gunslash and talis were still better.

Despite the possibility they may be outclassed; they'll be far from weak. That's good enough for me. (Well, for now it is. Eventually they'll be worthless but for now they're good enough.)

But hell, I'd kill for some new units I can equip without a raise in level cap or dedicating mag levels to certain stats..

[gigawuts]

Ha ha both fair points, being slightly worse is no reason to not invest anyway. After all, why wait a few days when it's only a small difference and you'll upgrade in a month or two again anyway.

Still, I like to wait and see. In the case of the mines content, I wound up just loving the looks of the inferior signo braver, and getting it instead of the not only better damage but also lower priced gunslash zero. It's a successor to the sinow blades! It's a must have.

[Heat Haze]

Yeah, a lot of people do prefer looks over big numbers. My Fire Arms sold first before Tigredor.

Also, this was a long time ago but after this point I gave up on Poison entirely.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i47.tinypic.com/w011w.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[gigawuts]

Don't get me started on my failure rates with 80% and double 75%'s failing both slots

[gigawuts]

9 soul failures in a row now, all at either 50% or for the last few 40%

then earlier I failed 20 grinds in a row on 8 star armor - that is not a joke, it just would not budge from 7 (but the next armor went to +10 with 1 failure, oh boy)

someone remind me why this is a good system, again?

[Chik'Tikka]

"Most computer programming languages include functions or library routines that purport to be random number generators. They are often designed to provide a random byte or word, or a floating point number uniformly distributed between 0 and 1.

Such library functions often have poor statistical properties and some will repeat patterns after only tens of thousands of trials. They are often initialized using a computer's real time clock as the seed, since such a clock generally measures in milliseconds, far beyond the person's precision. These functions may provide enough randomness for certain tasks (for example video games) but are unsuitable where high-quality randomness is required, such as in cryptographic applications, statistics or numerical analysis. Better pseudo-random number generators such as the Mersenne Twister are widely available. Much higher quality random number sources are available on most operating systems; for example /dev/random on various BSD flavors, Linux, Mac OS X, IRIX, and Solaris, or CryptGenRandom for Microsoft Windows.

An example of a simple pseudo-random number generator is the Multiply-with-carry method invented by George Marsaglia. It is computationally fast and has good (albeit not cryptographically strong) randomness properties (note that this example is not thread safe)"

Segac isn't exactly known for their programming genius+^_^+ I've never had a problem grinding or affixing attributes, even on rare weps+^_^+ which leads me to think that instead of the sys clock, maybe they use the player ID number+^_^+ or a combination of the two +^_^+

[gigawuts]

I know very well what an RNG is. I also know very well that there are good RNG's and then there are flawed RNG's, which have absurd numbers of winning and losing streaks. I'm also very familiar with the concept of having so many players that some will never see success with an RNG no matter how many times they try; After all, the next attempt only has a 50% chance of success.

The fact that a game in a modern setting still relies entirely on an RNG is fucking embarrassing. It's been tried, tried, and tried. It never ends well. Players who find what they want right away, it's great, they keep playing. For players who never find what they want it's irritating to no end and causes ragequits.

So I guess congratulations on being around the average success rate? It must be nice to have a +10 rare, or not have to shell out 300k to still not transfer a single fucking soul despite a 50% success rate. No system in a video game should allow that many consecutive failures. Do you know why? It's a video game. People play these for fun. Failing this many times in a row is not fun in any way, shape, or form. I have yet to get a +10 rare despite dropping over 2.5 million meseta, liquid and in grinders. I spent 400k getting 3 8* units to +10. This is a bad system.

If they wanted to make it so there was a higher average price they could have just up and fucking done that, but instead they fell back on a system that is rejected repeatedly by modern gaming. This is the biggest flaw in PSO2 and I very likely will stop playing because of it.

[Zyrusticae]

Eh, I have a different take: The system is bad enough, and the game itself easy enough, that I just don't bother with anything other than the basics (souls on everything, +10/50% my commons and uncommons, that's about it). If you never use the system it never takes away from you. Of course, this means you can only buy the overpriced stuff much, much luckier folks leave in their shops if you ever want something with more than just a soul + mutation, but personally, I think it's not really worth the effort anyways.

[gigawuts]

Opting to ignore the endgame does not mean it's not the intended endgame.

Oh, and you've been able to transfer souls? So you've used it to better success than me already. This is not the first time I've failed this many times in a row to transfer a simple god damn soul. Out of around 50 or so attempts, I'd estimate, I've successfully transferred 4 souls. Each time it takes me more than 9 failures I just stop trying for a couple weeks.

It's possible they've brought back section ID's in the form of chance modifiers for affixing and grinding, and maybe mine is just really fucking bad at souls. Maybe I'm better at transferring dark resist, wheee!

I'm really disappointed in Sega's shortsightedness on this. Is this just the standard for JP games?

[Macman]

I feel your pain gigawuts. I finally got around to buying a spread legacy and Dodo brought it up to +9 flawlessly, then I decided I'm on a hot enough streak to go the final mile and I fail and fail and fail and now it's only at +4.

That was 400,000 well spent, wasn't it? :-x

I would've tried more but I ran out of grinders.

[Zyrusticae]

Opting to ignore the endgame does not mean it's not the intended endgame.
I dnno, I think it's silly to focus on what is "the intended endgame". You make your own goals in a game like this, no need to focus on making the perfect collection of affixes if you don't want to. There's always rare collecting, clothing, My Room decorating, alts, so on and so forth.


Oh, and you've been able to transfer souls? So you've used it to better success than me already. This is not the first time I've failed this many times in a row to transfer a simple god damn soul. Out of around 50 or so attempts, I'd estimate, I've successfully transferred 4 souls. Each time it takes me more than 9 failures I just stop trying for a couple weeks.
Oh. Ouch. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Worst I've had is failing to do a Soul transfer 5 times in a row...


It's possible they've brought back section ID's in the form of chance modifiers for affixing and grinding, and maybe mine is just really fucking bad at souls. Maybe I'm better at transferring dark resist, wheee!

I'm really disappointed in Sega's shortsightedness on this. Is this just the standard for JP games?For Eastern games in general, actually, yes. Well, at least for grinding (LOTS of eastern online RPGs have a system strongly resembling grinding), affixes not so much. I find that kind of strange, honestly. You'd think more people would push back against this kind of thing...

[gigawuts]

Then maybe they'll be forced to rework it for the NA/EU release. I've had the patience to come back for more, and I've just had the misfortune of having my patience thrown back in my face while Dodo laughs at me. Your typical english player? Hah.

I can tell you for a solid fact, and there are very few things I'll say with more certainty than this: This system will wreck the game's success in the english-speaking gaming world. It will not work in this state. Players will get to that point and ragequit for the next fleeting F2P game. The english gaming community is easily the worst offenders of demanding instant gratification I've ever seen.

That's part of what made the rare system in PSO such a success - redboxes were frequent, and there was no more chance required to improving it. When you had it it was yours. The best rares were indeed quite rare, but they didn't require further chance to improve. All the chance was in merely finding it. The only ways of improving the weapon had nothing to do with chance. Sphering and grinding was as easy as finding the item/NPC and applying it. That. Was. It.

Now finding a weapon is just finding something you can't effectively use until you spend anywhere between 80k and infinity meseta on. The biggest part of PSO's success was the rares, and if they fuck that up...so much for their "flagship" title.

[SallySalSal]

All I want to say is, I hate the RNG in this game.

[sugarFO]

Then maybe they'll be forced to rework it for the NA/EU release. I've had the patience to come back for more, and I've just had the misfortune of having my patience thrown back in my face while Dodo laughs at me. Your typical english player? Hah.

I can tell you for a solid fact, and there are very few things I'll say with more certainty than this: This system will wreck the game's success in the english-speaking gaming world. It will not work in this state. Players will get to that point and ragequit for the next fleeting F2P game. The english gaming community is easily the worst offenders of demanding instant gratification I've ever seen.

That's part of what made the rare system in PSO such a success - redboxes were frequent, and there was no more chance required to improving it. When you had it it was yours. The best rares were indeed quite rare, but they didn't require further chance to improve. All the chance was in merely finding it. The only ways of improving the weapon had nothing to do with chance. Sphering and grinding was as easy as finding the item/NPC and applying it. That. Was. It.

Now finding a weapon is just finding something you can't effectively use until you spend anywhere between 80k and infinity meseta on. The biggest part of PSO's success was the rares, and if they fuck that up...so much for their "flagship" title.

Oh my god I totally understand. It's why I'm dreading getting that new talis rare. I was lucky as hell to get my Stella Twinkle to +8 after diving and rising numerous times. Lost an affix, luckily got it back.... when it comes to rare weapons, it's more dread than fun, because how am I going to bring this new talis back up to the stat level of my rod (if not more preferably?) What if I can't?

I wish grinding/affixing was a little minigame instead of chance RNG. Like in Mass Effect:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaHEvrSxaNY

People will prolly say "but it's so simple!" But it's fun and stuff. ._. oh well...

[gigawuts]

Yeah, that kind of stuff can be good. I'm not saying there should be no chance, or that it should be cheap or free. I'm just saying that a system that allows one person to get it for 80k while another person can spend 2.5 million meseta and STILL not succeed (Seriously. Two and a half MILLION meseta.) is broken, broken, broken, broken, broken. I don't care what the average is, the reality is only a small handful will ever float around the average. Most people will be above or below it.

It won't work and if they really put it into the NA/EU release, they'd better come up with something to replace it shortly after.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this is the future of video games. If it is, I guess I should go get a tan.

[Valymer]

No, you're absolutely right. I played around with the affix system for about an hour tonight figuring some things out, and once I realized the amount of money I would have to spend to get a third level ability + soul on a weapon, I completely swore off the whole system. Unless I got EXTREMELY lucky, I'm talking winning-lottery-ticket-lucky, then I would spend far less money buying the 9* rare with the proper affixes in the Player Shops. FAR less.

I look at Dodo's shop like playing craps at the casino. The people who really make money doing it have the bankroll to handle multiple consecutive runs of catastrophic failure, eventually coming out of the bad streak and leveling off, maybe even getting some lucky runs later on to reach a winning advantage.

If you don't have the bankroll to plow through the failures with Dodo, like in the tens of millions of meseta, then you can basically forget about getting what I would consider the "standard" affixes on even 1 weapon + 3 units. And I'm not even talking about grinding here, that's a whole other money pit.

I use to farm maps hoping to get a drop that would be an upgrade for me. But there's nothing that drops that will upgrade my +10 5* weapon without sinking hundreds of thousands, or more likely millions of meseta in into it. Realizing this, I now farm maps hoping to get a drop that I can sell as-is in My Shop, so that I can buy the items that are already ground/affixed to the point that they will be actual upgrades for me.

It's sad, really, because I like the whole concept of the grinding/affix system in general...it's just the success rate percentage that makes it completely unusable and not worthwhile to me.

[gigawuts]

That's a good point. I figured with 1.5m in my bank I might give it a go, but after 400k for just three 8* units to +10 and 300k to still have zero slots on a mediocre 8* unit...no. I collected my 300k off the shops and stopped going to doodoo. I've lost about that much to no avail in the past, never again.

I am much better at marketing than I am rolling twenties, and I am sincerely embarrassed to admit that.

edit:I'd be kind of alright if weapon grinding didn't reduce the weapon's damage. Let's say you get a Vol Scale to +9, right? Then it falls to +3. You spent your last meseta and grinder on that last attempt for +5, and it fell 2 more just to spite you. Now you're out of money AND your sword is worse? What? Fuck lore, acquire game design: Weapons should not perform worse when they lose grinds. They should always perform at the best level they've been at.

[Heat Haze]

After failing 70% and 80% rates, I was frustrated and decided to attempt this. And.. well, I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad that this worked.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i46.tinypic.com/mlijb.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

Total, I spent about 1.2 mil on this weapon (550k just purchasing it, and the remainder ability affixing and having it grinded; it sits at +10 now.)

[Dinosaur]

Only one story of many...

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh113/subarashee/PSO2/4e18aae7.png

[NoiseHERO]

Straight to 8

Then to 6

Then to 3

then 2

then 1... D:

Then back n forth 1-2 like 5 times

Then straight to 10. @_@

On my Razrail wiredlance thingie

[PhantasmalSage]

I saw this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acmbuc0Ljjs

And I realized it's not just me.

[Crysteon]

I saw this:

Fuck You Sweet - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acmbuc0Ljjs)

And I realized it's not just us.

Fixed.

After watching that vid, I totally emphatized with the poster, seriously.

[The Walrus]

God if I was that guy I prolly would have punched my monitor

[sugarFO]

God if I was that guy I prolly would have punched my monitor

I would have cried hysterically. Then feel my heart sink knowing I spent that much meseta and failing. Lmao

[Crysteon]

Then feel my heart sink knowing I spent that much meseta and failing. Lmao

That's my current feeling with any 9* I've attempted to grind to +10 >_>

[DoubleCannon]

Well This costed me about 450k... but the end result = me very happy

This made me very upset..

[spoiler-box]http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7360/pso20120808110715000.jpg[/spoiler-box]

Then after an easy close to 380k spent
[spoiler-box]http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6758/pso20120808112433001.jpg[/spoiler-box]

DEEP BREATH!
[spoiler-box]http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2803/pso20120808143555000.jpg[/spoiler-box]
BIG HURRAY!!

THEN Came the grinding...
[spoiler-box]http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2020/pso20120808144355001.jpg[/spoiler-box]

Talk about extreme luck! +8 in one go! I stopped here and refuse to go further without grind protections but now there is an awesome 9* Partisan That I now want lol

Anyways this was RNG and after like 450k spent I think this item is worth much more than 450k :) .. I found the Spardion on my own with 1 Ability and at 3 it went back to 0 :'(

Edit: Fixed images lol

[kkow]

that video..174 times, still no dice. I'm happy if I can get to +7.

[Aewyn]

I spent half a million on my Tigridore before I realized that I didn't really want it to +10 anyway and I was just following standard "gotta level it up" conventions. Put it in storage.

[_Nue]

Your donations to Dudu are greatly appreciated.

[tlbww]

I don't play on grinding past gauranteed and I might upgrade. I don't really see the point when I easily replace wpns.

How I play, I don't buy crap from stores/only equip stuff that drops on my screen. I've been doing that since PSO. I was weak as all crap, but man did it feel good hitting the triple digits lvls all by myself. Plus, I get all the moniez and can fund my neuman slave trade... err Private School

[Crysteon]

And this is just one clear example of why I hate this game's grinding system:

[spoiler-box]
2012-08-09T21:25:15 2 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:25:28 3 [WithdrawFromShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(18)
2012-08-09T21:25:47 4 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(81)
2012-08-09T21:26:01 5 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+1 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:01 6 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:03 7 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+2 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:03 8 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:06 9 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:06 10 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:08 11 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:08 12 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:10 13 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:10 14 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:12 15 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:12 16 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:14 17 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:14 18 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:17 19 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:17 20 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:19 21 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:19 22 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:21 23 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:21 24 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:23 25 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:23 26 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:25 27 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:25 28 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:28 29 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:28 30 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:30 31 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:30 32 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:32 33 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:32 34 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:34 35 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:34 36 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:36 37 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:36 38 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:38 39 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:38 40 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:41 41 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:41 42 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:43 43 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:43 44 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:45 45 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:45 46 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:47 47 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:47 48 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:49 49 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:49 50 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:52 51 [Grind(failure) -2] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:52 52 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:54 53 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:54 54 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:56 55 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:56 56 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:58 57 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:58 58 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:00 59 [Grind(failure) -2] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:00 60 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:03 61 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:03 62 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:05 63 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:05 64 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:07 65 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:07 66 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:09 67 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:09 68 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:12 69 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:12 70 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:35 71 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(20)
2012-08-09T21:27:45 72 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:45 73 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:47 74 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:47 75 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:49 76 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:49 77 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:52 78 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:52 79 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:54 80 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:54 81 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:56 82 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:56 83 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:16 84 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(21)
2012-08-09T21:28:25 85 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+9 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:25 86 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:28 87 [Grind(failure) -3] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:28 88 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:31 89 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:31 90 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:33 91 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:33 92 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:35 93 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:35 94 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:37 95 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:37 96 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:39 97 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:39 98 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:12 99 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(30)
2012-08-09T21:29:21 100 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:21 101 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:23 102 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:23 103 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:26 104 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:26 105 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:28 106 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:28 107 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:30 108 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:30 109 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:32 110 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:32 111 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:35 112 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:35 113 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:37 114 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:37 115 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:39 116 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:39 117 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:42 118 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:42 119 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:03 120 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(15)
2012-08-09T21:30:11 121 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:30:11 122 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:14 123 [Grind(failure) -2] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:30:14 124 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:16 125 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:30:16 126 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:19 127 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:30:19 128 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:21 129 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:30:21 130 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:42 131 [DisplayToShop] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
[/spoiler-box]

That easily burned 1.2mil in meseta (420k from buying the weapon + around 130 purchased grinders)
Laugh, cry...do whatever you want...but this whole system needs to be readjusted.

[Valymer]

And this is just one clear example of why I hate this game's grinding system:

[spoiler-box]
2012-08-09T21:25:15 2 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:25:28 3 [WithdrawFromShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(18)
2012-08-09T21:25:47 4 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(81)
2012-08-09T21:26:01 5 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+1 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:01 6 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:03 7 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+2 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:03 8 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:06 9 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:06 10 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:08 11 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:08 12 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:10 13 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:10 14 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:12 15 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:12 16 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:14 17 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:14 18 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:17 19 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:17 20 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:19 21 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:19 22 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:21 23 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:21 24 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:23 25 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:23 26 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:25 27 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:25 28 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:28 29 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:28 30 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:30 31 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:30 32 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:32 33 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:32 34 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:34 35 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:34 36 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:36 37 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:36 38 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:38 39 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:38 40 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:41 41 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:41 42 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:43 43 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:43 44 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:45 45 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:45 46 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:47 47 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:47 48 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:49 49 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:49 50 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:52 51 [Grind(failure) -2] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:52 52 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:54 53 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:54 54 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:56 55 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:56 56 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:26:58 57 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:26:58 58 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:00 59 [Grind(failure) -2] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:00 60 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:03 61 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:03 62 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:05 63 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:05 64 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:07 65 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:07 66 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:09 67 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:09 68 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:12 69 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:12 70 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:35 71 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(20)
2012-08-09T21:27:45 72 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:45 73 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:47 74 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:47 75 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:49 76 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:49 77 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:52 78 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:52 79 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:54 80 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:54 81 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:27:56 82 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:27:56 83 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:16 84 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(21)
2012-08-09T21:28:25 85 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+9 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:25 86 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:28 87 [Grind(failure) -3] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:28 88 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:31 89 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:31 90 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:33 91 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:33 92 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:35 93 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:35 94 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:37 95 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:37 96 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:28:39 97 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:28:39 98 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:12 99 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(30)
2012-08-09T21:29:21 100 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:21 101 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:23 102 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:23 103 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:26 104 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:26 105 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:28 106 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:28 107 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:30 108 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:30 109 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:32 110 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:32 111 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:35 112 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:35 113 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:37 114 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:37 115 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:39 116 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:39 117 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:29:42 118 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:29:42 119 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:03 120 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(15)
2012-08-09T21:30:11 121 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:30:11 122 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:14 123 [Grind(failure) -2] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:30:14 124 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:16 125 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:30:16 126 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:19 127 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:30:19 128 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:21 129 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-08-09T21:30:21 130 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T21:30:42 131 [DisplayToShop] 10073400 Crysteon ジャレイド+7 attr:Fire(14)
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That easily burned 1.2mil in meseta (420k from buying the weapon + around 130 purchased grinders)
Laugh, cry...do whatever you want...but this whole system needs to be readjusted.

Couldn't agree more. How is it that they can make the quests easier because of complaining, but this horribly broken system gets no love? It's interesting.

[Link1275]

Couldn't agree more. How is it that they can make the quests easier because of complaining, but this horribly broken system gets no love? It's interesting.
it's too bad they didn't keep PSP2I's system, that one worked very well. You were limited only by your funds, extend codes, and infinity extend codes.

[Aewyn]

Yeah, the "Oops! It broke!" system is silly. And it seems out of place because I'm not sure it's even relative to the whole 'micro-transactions' part of their money-making scheme (which is totally legit, not saying it isn't), but it does make a kind of sense if you factor in the in-game economy. If you let everyone make ballin' stuff then the economy is worthless, there's no point to it aside from trading the rarz and then no one would really need the trade aspect of Premium, right? So maybe it's partially to protect that aspect. Obviously that isn't the only reason.

[Zyrusticae]

Thing is, they can have randomness without it being prone to horrible, soul-crushingly negative streaks just by putting in fail safes or using a better RNG system. The system they have right now is just horribly lazy and likely to turn off a lot of players when it comes stateside.

[Crysteon]

I'd honestly take the PSP2i grinding system over this one. I'd rather pay 300k per grind and spending x10 grinders per attempt. knowing it's safe, rather than just playing dumb luck and seeing how a day of gameplay is gone in matter of seconds. They are trying a system Korean games have, and I truly hate Korean grinding models....

[Shadowth117]

I'd honestly take the PSP2i grinding system over this one. I'd rather pay 300k per grind and spending x10 grinders per attempt. knowing it's safe, rather than just playing dumb luck and seeing how a day of gameplay is gone in matter of seconds. They are trying a system Korean games have, and I truly hate Korean grinding models....

Even then there's still affixes to consider and holy hell are those dumb. >_>

If nothing else though, the rest of the game is shaping up to be more difficult than the rest of the series so far. I'd expect that it will get to a point where the fights, at least in boss battles, reach arcade level difficulty and I would be all for that. I just hope it gets to the point where noobs can't just walk in to a boss with 5 moon atomizers each and hope to be okay because of the sheer number of "lives" their teammates can give them.

[The Walrus]

They could change the affix system a little and make it so you can pay more to increase the chance of success

[Shadowth117]

They could change the affix system a little and make it so you can pay more to increase the chance of success

You can. Unfortunately, 5% won't do much for you.

[Enforcer MKV]

They could change the affix system a little and make it so you can pay more to increase the chance of success

or throw multiple grinders at one grind. That could work.

Oh! pay more money and grinders to increase your chances of good grinds! DEPLOY IT NOW, SEGA!

[Limbo_lag]

Heh. So, to add on from my failed thread:

Being someone who only ever has up to around 400k, 2-300k is tons for me. Stamina boost + Ransa soul and Mutation 1 succeeded, but resulted in ranged resist 1. Much, much rage was had.

But then again, I recall the success of my Tigredor, for a total of about 600k (400k spent on grind protectors), which is incredibly lucky, in retrospect.

I really don't know how anyone is going to succeed with 9*+ items, when they are released. Ability/grind rates (not to mention drop rates) will have to be buffed, one way or another. As it is, level 4 or 5 abilities are downright impossible to add on, and only add marginal improvements (only +10 differences for shoot 3 and 5, for example). Seems that the player shop is really the only way of making any decent cash around here... =_=

Annnnnd, got a single 30+3 meseta drop from soloing a crystal caterdan....

[NoiseHERO]

Heh. So, to add on from my failed thread:

Being someone who only ever has up to around 400k, 2-300k is tons for me. Stamina boost + Ransa soul and Mutation 1 succeeded, but resulted in ranged resist 1. Much, much rage was had.

But then again, I recall the success of my Tigredor, for a total of about 600k (400k spent on grind protectors), which is incredibly lucky, in retrospect.

I really don't know how anyone is going to succeed with 9*+ items, when they are released. Ability/grind rates (not to mention drop rates) will have to be buffed, one way or another. As it is, level 4 or 5 abilities are downright impossible to add on, and only add marginal improvements (only +10 differences for shoot 3 and 5, for example). Seems that the player shop is really the only way of making any decent cash around here... =_=

Annnnnd, got a single 30+3 meseta drop from soloing a crystal caterdan....

I remember when crea weapons were uber rare...

I'm sure everything that's like 5 mil now will only be worth 1 mil later, and 1 mil will be the equivalent of today's 200k.

[EvilMag]

I really hope Sega releases some event that gives a boost of a chance. Much like PSU had.

[GoldenFalcon]

Stamina boost + Ransa soul and Mutation 1 succeeded, but resulted in ranged resist 1. Much, much rage was had.

Can you explain this? This makes literally no sense, and I am mind boggled

[Zekester]

From finally RE-adding Vol Soul to my Vol Scale, I am terrified of attempting to add Power or Burn BACK to it.

-_-

[TaigaUC]

I was going to reply to this post yesterday saying I wouldn't even try upgrading anymore, but I decided to give this miserable failure of a Space Tuna one last try. It failed once from +6 to +5, then went straight to +10. Figures.

[Limbo_lag]

Can you explain this? This makes literally no sense, and I am mind boggled

Well, unless I misclicked somewhere, I planned to add a Ransa soul and mutation 1 to a shield, using the stamina ability item to also add +45 hp (3 ability slots total). Whilst the actual transfer was successful, when I looked in my inventory, the resulting shield only had a single ability, that is, a ranged defence 1 :-?

I suspect it seems to be either the effect of trying to add mutation 1, or a misclick which seems unlikely :/

In any case, I spent 150k on another +stamina item, and have now got a shield with +45hp and Ransa soul. Back to square one in terms of meseta (have like only 6k now)...

[GoldenFalcon]

Well, unless I misclicked somewhere, I planned to add a Ransa soul and mutation 1 to a shield, using the stamina ability item to also add +45 hp. Whilst the transfer was successful, it somehow resulted in my item having only a ranged defence 1 :-?

I suspect it seems to be either the effect of trying to add mutation 1, or a misclick which seems unlikely :/

Or you're confused and were left with no abilities (all fail), and happened to have a 2nd copy of that item which has just Shot Resist on it..
Because you're explaining something that can't happen

[Limbo_lag]

That is also a possibility. Is there anything special about the mutation abilities? That google docs thing you linked me with says "upon synthesis...?" under additional comments about the ability.

[GoldenFalcon]

That is also a possibility. Is there anything special about the mutation abilities? That google docs thing you linked me with says "upon synthesis...?" under additional comments about the ability.

Ah, right. If you have a weapon with Power II, for example, and sacrifice a weapon with Power II, and a weapon with Mutation, the options for resulting abilities will be just Power II and Power III. This is because combining for a tier 3 ability with Mutation causes the chance to go from 30% up to 60% (as opposed to sacrificing two Power II to get 50% chance of Power III). But, because of this, it's impossible to keep Mutation when combining abilities like this

For some reason though, the spreadsheet says things like Fang Soul increasing success rate of Power. I need to test this
Edit: Sacrificing a Fang Soul increased the chance of Power III by 20%, as if I was sacrificing another Power II. It's like a substitute

[gigawuts]

There is, but what's special is it allows increased chances of certain affix transfers. If you had it selected then nothing different should have happened.

edit: Also yes, reportedly many souls increase rates of many stats...but some don't make any sense. Fang is one that makes no sense whatsoever.

[Limbo_lag]

Then that is incredibly strange. You're saying that mutation can only add to effects, not remove them.

If I recall correctly, the original weapon/armor is not destroyed (although you are left with 0 abilities on it) when failing ability transfers (only the material ones are destroyed).

After that transfer, I only noticed 4 items in my "armor" tab - the three things I had equipped at the time, plus that one shield which had only one ability (not 100% sure it was range resist, but there was only ONE ability, despite my (supposedly) choosing 3 for transfer).

-If I had gotten another shield with that ability on it, then there should have been 5 items (with the additional one being the failed shield).
-However, if it had succeeded, then it should have had all 3 abilities on it.
-If it had failed (and I had NO additional items), it should have had no abilities.

I did use a +5% chance, and did not recall hearing that "fail" sound.

I'm probably gonna have to chalk this up to some type of misclick in that case.

[GoldenFalcon]

I'm probably gonna have to chalk this up to some type of misclick in that case.

It's possible you clicked to retain Shot Resist instead of Mutation (both long names), and failed the good abilities, since Dudu is sympathetic sounding if at least one ability sticks
Not that this is worth talking about at this point, lol

[Limbo_lag]

True. Lets just leave it at that then. :hamster: Thanks for your help.

[GoldenFalcon]

edit: Also yes, reportedly many souls increase rates of many stats...but some don't make any sense. Fang is one that makes no sense whatsoever.

Well, to make Power III a 50% chance instead of 30% chance, you can sacrifice a 2k Fang Soul weapon instead of getting another Power II weapon, so it has merits

[Hucast-Kireek]

I dont grind my weps beyond 2, that's how bad my luck is :)

[GoldenFalcon]

I dont grind my weps beyond 2, that's how bad my luck is :)

Come on, at least get Soul Eater to +7 >:

[The Walrus]

I don't even think it's possible to go above 7 on a Soul Eater...at least my hasn't after however many attempts now :(

[watersea]

you guys suck at customizing units

[Valymer]

you guys suck at customizing units

No, the game sucks at it

[gigawuts]

No, we all suck at statistics.

Or rather, just under half of us do.

[GoldenFalcon]

No, we all suck at statistics.

Or rather, just under half of us do.

Knowledge of statistics doesn't affect results

Also, this is my trip trying to make a decent Force gunslash
[spoiler-box]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Zakon/pso20120811_090057_000.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Zakon/pso20120811_090111_001.jpg
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[gigawuts]

Knowledge of statistics doesn't affect results

Also, this is my trip trying to make a decent Force gunslash
[spoiler-box]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Zakon/pso20120811_090057_000.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Zakon/pso20120811_090111_001.jpg
[/spoiler-box]

Statistics was a verb there :P

As in

I statisticked myself into losing all my fucking meseta and grinds on my main weapon.

[Shadowth117]

Knowledge of statistics doesn't affect results

Also, this is my trip trying to make a decent Force gunslash
[spoiler-box]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Zakon/pso20120811_090057_000.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Zakon/pso20120811_090111_001.jpg
[/spoiler-box]

I would just grab a ragne soul + Technic whatever level one and call it a day. I mean you're really not going to be using that terribly much anyway if you're actually going for damage. Most useful thing they've ever done for me as force is get me through Kureshida's Gunslash runs or serpent air me up to places I shouldn't be able to reach with a normal jump.

[GoldenFalcon]

I would just grab a ragne soul + Technic whatever level one and call it a day. I mean you're really not going to be using that terribly much anyway if you're actually going for damage. Most useful thing they've ever done for me as force is get me through Kureshida's Gunslash runs or serpent air me up to places I shouldn't be able to reach with a normal jump.

I dropped them all, put Technic I and a random 100% thing on it, then sacrificed weapons with Ragne Soul and Technic 1, to stick Ragne while combining Technic II. The chance to stick each was double the chance, and worked, will never touch again

[Aewyn]

So last night I failed five affixing attempts of a single Fang Soul onto my warehoused Tigridore +4 (warehoused because my 25% Fire Alba Laser with Shoot 3 was still better), and spent about 210,000 meseta in the process. I was getting flustered and decided, screw the world, I'm going for it. I grabbed my last 21 grinders out of storage, and began. +5, +6... fail, but still at +6. I knew all I had left was enough grinders to get to +10 and this situation wasn't new, so I kept going. +7, +8... Only 6 grinders and 40,000 meseta left. This was my swan song! +9. And then, somehow... +10.

I went from cursing Doo-Doo to thinking he was the most beautiful man in the world in about five minutes. Funny how that works.

[Heat Haze]

After this whole thing succeeded..
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i46.tinypic.com/mlijb.png[/SPOILER-BOX]
I decided to try to get Gwana Soul and Poison III on my Cruel Coffin. Did somewhat well preparing the ability slots. And with the chances of 55% on Gwana Soul transferring, and 85% on Poison III transferring, what could go wrong?

Gwana Soul sticks and I fail an 85% transfer on Poison III.

Back to cursing Doo Doo.

[RemChu]

Is there a place where the soul effects are listed?

Been wondering what they all do man.

[Valymer]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Akbdpi65EON1dGRTd2hqNXBQMW1Lak9SOFJKM1Utb UE&gid=0

[supersonix9]

Your weapon can't break from failing a grind or ability transfer.

Don't complain. Case closed.

[eharima]

After this whole thing succeeded..
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i46.tinypic.com/mlijb.png[/SPOILER-BOX]
.

GG . Now why are you mincing about at +8 come on man!

[Heat Haze]

GG . Now why are you mincing about at +8 come on man!

Got it to +10 shortly after. 477 S-Attack is pretty nice. :D

Have had terrible luck with my other weapons however.. but what can you do against the RNG? :-?

[Nuclearranger]

All of your arguments against doodoo are invalid.... http://soundcloud.com/croclo/dodo

It's almost like this forum wants the game to literally only drop rare items at +10 from the start with 8 abilities of your choosing.

What is with this entitled mentality? It is almost infuriating.

I have gotten many items to 10 and have some nice abilities. Did I fail a lot? Sure but I should. I now have things to be proud of instead of just a run of the mill 15* +10 item with mega ability V on it....

[GoldenFalcon]

What is with this entitled mentality? It is almost infuriating.

I just failed 5 times in a row trying to add a soul to my unit
(0.6)^4 x 0.5 = 6.5% chance of happening
Sorry for feeling entitled to having a single ability

[Heat Haze]

What is with this entitled mentality? It is almost infuriating.

The entire point went over your head. No use saying anything when someone else said it better.


God, I really want to punch who ever got the ball rolling on this "entitled" buzzword that's been all the rage to call gamers.

You're completely misunderstand everyone else's complaint, Nuclearranger. The issue is not players being unwilling to invest time and effort into improving their equipment. The issue is the absolutely random nature by which this process is done. It's one thing to ask players to invest X amount of meseta into the grinding process to obtain +10, where X is a definite, known (if exhorbitant) value. It's a wholly other thing to ask players to invest X where X can range from 40k for the stupidly lucky player to eight figures for the tragically unfortunate. Would you say the former player "worked" for that +10? Would you say that they worked harder than the latter player?

That's the issue. Not this silly little smokescreen about entitlement.

[iTz PooKiie xx]

My only problem is adding affixes....if I want more than 2 affixes on something with an existing 2 affixes it reduces everything by 30%chance...cut me a break dammit>.<

Grinding sucks but I don't have to worry about losing the weapon just a shit ton of grinders and meseta.

[Valymer]

I just failed 5 times in a row trying to add a soul to my unit
(0.6)^4 x 0.5 = 6.5% chance of happening
Sorry for feeling entitled to having a single ability

Sir your logic has no place in this thread

We have already been informed by the experts that math in PSO2 does not work as it does in real life, nor should we expect it to

Furthermore do not believe the % chances that it shows you, they are just there to fill space and have no true meaning to the process

[eharima]

Sir your logic has no place in this thread

We have already been informed by the experts that math in PSO2 does not work as it does in real life, nor should we expect it to

Furthermore do not believe the % chances that it shows you, they are just there to fill space and have no true meaning to the process

NEVER A TRUER WORD SPOKEN.

[Nuclearranger]

Furthermore do not believe the % chances that it shows you, they are just there to fill space and have no true meaning to the process

This. This 1000 times over.

[MCF]

i've manage to grind my 9★ Ridultiv（リドゥルティブ）but doo doo ate 600k+ metsa and 509 grinders XD

then suddenly my friend pm me there's an item that helps me making 100% +1 on grinding and that's Grind Risk Reduction (Protection) 強化リスク減少（保護）which is only 180k(lowest i've seen on the market to 350k(highest)
*i was like fuuuuuu! should have stopped at +9 when it was only 200k+ metsa spent and bought that thing*

i was doing some unfinished matter board and client quest didn't realized I've earn 1m+ metsa in the process XD

where on other mmorpg they don't have that item
your weapon don't break grinding (others do need to buy trade able or non trade able money needed item)
they have Grind rind Risk Reduction (Protection) 強化リスク減少（保護）which can be bought 200k metsa average.

got lucky when grinding my 9★ Tigridol (ティグリドル) only spend some 100k+ or 200k and some grinders to +10 it >.>

srsly the grinding system is okay to me its just your luck is bad :p

on attributes i hope they have attributes Risk Reduction (Protection) that would be awesome!

haven't got lucky on arm and leg units yet.

just wondering how other people manage to make alot of same stuff with same attributes in the market... *points at 9★ units in the market with same people selling same thing with same attributes*

[JeyKama]

Unfortunately there's no magic grinding item... 強化リスク減少（保護）just protects you from losing grind levels if you fail.

I think the best success rate item is a whopping +10%, and that's from the booster pack from buying the DVD boxset.

[GoldenFalcon]

then suddenly my friend pm me there's an item that helps me making 100% +1 on grinding and that's Grind Risk Reduction (Protection) 強化リスク減少（保護）which is only 180k(lowest i've seen on the market to 350k(highest)
*i was like fuuuuuu! should have stopped at +9 when it was only 200k+ metsa spent and bought that thing*

That only turns negative results into a -0 failure
meaning you could end up buying 5 of those trying to go to +10, and have all fail and still be sitting at +9. Better than going down to +2, but expensive

[MCF]

ohh ic >.>
then i've been lucky to my new weapons then using 3 of those w/0 fail XD

[Limbo_lag]

Not sure if its a good scheme or not, but personally I use (-1)'s (free from FUN) from level 5-8, and the risk removal for level 9-10. I'd much rather spend more and keep it at +9 than have it go down to something like +2....

[gigawuts]

That only turns negative results into a -0 failure
meaning you could end up buying 5 of those trying to go to +10, and have all fail and still be sitting at +9. Better than going down to +2, but expensive

Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.

Wait a fucking second.

So this -1 grind protection item actually nullifies any and all lost grinds, even -3? It doesn't turn a -3 into a -2, it means any failure will keep it at that grind?

What.

What.

This is awesome.

[Crystal_Shard]

So this -1 grind protection item actually nullifies any and all lost grinds, even -3? It doesn't turn a -3 into a -2, it means any failure will keep it at that grind?

No. There's two classes of these items. The -1 grind protect does exactly as it says, while the AC Scratch version nullifies all reductions and is the one they're talking about.

[gigawuts]

No. There's two classes of these items. The -1 grind protect does exactly as it says, while the AC Scratch version nullifies all reductions and is the one they're talking about.

Seriously? I've read guides, wikis, watched grinding videos, and browsed that section of the market plenty of times. I've never heard of this item.

A lot of my frustrations with this system could have easily been avoided if I'd heard about this sooner. Hell, half the time I whine about the RNG system I say I'd be alright with it if we got an item that eliminated grind losses on failure.

Now I find out exists! Oh happy day!

Just to be positive: I CAN buy this off the player shops, right?

[Miyoko]

Sitting at roughly 50 summer rappies...

Not a single space tuna yet. :(

[Crystal_Shard]

Seriously? I've read guides, wikis, watched grinding videos, and browsed that section of the market plenty of times. I've never heard of this item.

A lot of my frustrations with this system could have easily been avoided if I'd heard about this sooner. Hell, half the time I whine about the RNG system I say I'd be alright with it if we got an item that eliminated grind losses on failure.

Now I find out exists! Oh happy day!

Just to be positive: I CAN buy this off the player shops, right?

The normal one is 強化リスク減少（-1） while the nullification one is 強化リスク減少（保護）, and yes you can buy this from the MyShops from what I understand. However, they are expensive as you can see from MCF's post. Not sure if it's cheaper to blow your savings on a few 180k items versus toughing it out though.

[gigawuts]

Oh no no no with my luck it would be cheaper to buy these at 1m a pop, 240k is a fucking steal. Thanks for pointing these out to me!

[Crystal_Shard]

Oh no no no with my luck it would be cheaper to buy these at 1m a pop, 240k is a fucking steal. Thanks for pointing these out to me!

Anytime. XD Though you should direct your thanks to the poster who first mentioned them too. XD

[Zyrusticae]

2012-08-17T22:47:25 639 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+2 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:00 640 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+3 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:00 641 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:03 642 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+4 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:03 643 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:05 644 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+4 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:05 645 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:08 646 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:08 647 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:10 648 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:10 649 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:12 650 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:12 651 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:15 652 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:15 653 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:17 654 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:17 655 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:20 656 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:20 657 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:23 658 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:23 659 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:25 660 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+8 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:25 661 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:29 662 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+9 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:29 663 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:31 664 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:31 665 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:34 666 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:34 667 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:36 668 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:36 669 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:39 670 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:39 671 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:42 672 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:42 673 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:44 674 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:44 675 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:47 676 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:47 677 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:49 678 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:49 679 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:52 680 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:52 681 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:54 682 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+8 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:54 683 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:48:57 684 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+9 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:48:57 685 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:00 686 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+8 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:00 687 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:02 688 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:02 689 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:04 690 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:04 691 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:07 692 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+8 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:07 693 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:09 694 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:09 695 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:12 696 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:12 697 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:14 698 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:14 699 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:17 700 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:17 701 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:19 702 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:19 703 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:22 704 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+8 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:22 705 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:24 706 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:24 707 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:27 708 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:27 709 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:49:58 710 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+4 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:49:58 711 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:01 712 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:01 713 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:03 714 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:03 715 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:06 716 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+4 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:06 717 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:09 718 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:09 719 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:11 720 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:11 721 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:14 722 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:14 723 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:16 724 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:16 725 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:19 726 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:19 727 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:22 728 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:22 729 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:24 730 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:24 731 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:27 732 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:27 733 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:29 734 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:29 735 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:32 736 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:32 737 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:34 738 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:34 739 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:37 740 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:37 741 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:40 742 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:40 743 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:43 744 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:43 745 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:46 746 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:46 747 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:49 748 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:49 749 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-17T22:50:53 750 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+8 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-17T22:50:53 751 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)


HA. HA. HA.

You're a dick, Dodo. You're a dick.

[Brus]

HA. HA. HA.

You're a dick, Dodo. You're a dick.

every time Screw up so many grinds, I just look at this and feel a little bit better. I'm not sure who the artist is, as my brother sent to me after I wasted a ridiculous amount of meseta to get a +5.

[TDoun LMekko]

On that note... here's a pic of DoDo and his massive money collection from people failing :P

[Abu Jumal]

300 grinders spent on trying to grind the 9* launcher... It is now currently at +5. Fuck you dodo.

[Limbo_lag]

^ Similar situation, except I'm on +7, and am buying those -1's till I get to +8, so each grind is costing me something like 60k. After that I'm gonna spend about 250k per grind to safely get it to +10. I know that feel :(

Edit: And now its +5 again. Dammit Dodo. Nothing like farming for the money, only to waste it all and start from scratch.

[PhantasmalSage]

2012-07-25T17:45:09 132 [Pickup] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル attr:Ice(13)

This was the start of something very bad. Very, Very Bad.

The story of, ティグリドル (Tigredor) - The cursed one.

[SPOILER-BOX]2012-07-25T21:53:52 625 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+1 attr:Ice(13)
2012-07-25T21:53:52 626 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-26T16:01:51 47 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+2 attr:Ice(13)
2012-07-26T16:01:51 48 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-28T22:19:17 270 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+2 attr:Ice(13)
2012-07-28T22:19:17 271 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:46:52 2716 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+2 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:46:52 2717 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:46:55 2718 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+2 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:46:55 2719 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:46:58 2720 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:46:58 2721 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:01 2723 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:01 2724 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:05 2725 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:05 2726 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:09 2727 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:09 2728 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:12 2729 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:12 2730 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:15 2731 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:15 2732 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:18 2733 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:18 2734 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:38:18 225 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:38:18 226 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:38:28 227 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:38:28 228 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:38:42 229 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:38:42 230 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:38:48 231 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:38:48 232 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:04 233 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+8 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:04 234 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:39 235 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:39 236 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:43 237 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:43 238 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:47 239 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:47 240 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:50 241 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:50 242 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:54 243 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:54 244 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:57 245 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:57 246 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:40:01 248 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:40:01 249 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:40:04 250 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:40:04 251 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:40:07 252 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:40:07 253 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:55:48 258 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:55:48 259 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:55:52 260 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:55:52 261 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:55:55 262 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:55:55 263 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:55:59 264 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:55:59 265 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:03 266 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:03 267 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:06 268 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:06 269 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:11 270 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:11 271 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:15 272 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:15 273 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:19 274 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:19 275 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:22 276 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:22 277 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:57:18 280 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:57:18 281 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-06T20:27:48 559 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-06T20:27:48 560 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-06T20:27:53 561 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-06T20:27:53 562 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:06:59 2208 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:06:59 2209 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:05 2210 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:05 2211 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:09 2212 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:09 2213 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:19 2214 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:19 2215 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:24 2216 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:24 2217 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:31 2218 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:31 2219 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:35 2220 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:35 2221 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:39 2222 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+8 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:39 2223 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:46 2224 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:46 2225 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:14:59 2251 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:14:59 2252 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:15:04 2253 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:15:04 2254 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:15:08 2255 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:15:08 2256 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T19:37:56 447 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T19:37:56 448 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T19:37:59 449 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T19:37:59 450 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T19:38:03 451 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T19:38:03 452 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T20:58:02 936 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T20:58:02 937 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T22:00:35 1239 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T22:00:35 1240 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T22:00:39 1241 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T22:00:39 1242 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T23:27:24 1673 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T23:27:24 1674 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T23:27:26 1675 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T23:27:26 1676 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T19:37:09 1726 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-09T19:37:09 1727 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T19:37:11 1728 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-09T19:37:11 1729 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T19:37:14 1730 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-09T19:37:14 1731 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T19:37:17 1732 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-09T19:37:17 1733 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T19:37:20 1734 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-09T19:37:20 1735 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-11T17:53:05 1209 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-11T17:53:05 1210 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-11T17:53:08 1211 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-11T17:53:08 1212 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-11T17:53:11 1213 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-11T17:53:11 1214 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-11T17:53:14 1215 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-11T17:53:14 1216 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:27 3304 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:27 3305 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:32 3306 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:32 3307 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:34 3308 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:34 3309 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:37 3310 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:37 3311 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:39 3312 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:39 3313 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:42 3314 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:42 3315 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:44 3316 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:44 3317 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:47 3318 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:47 3319 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:49 3320 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:49 3321 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:52 3322 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:52 3323 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T01:48:00 4347 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T01:48:00 4348 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T01:48:03 4349 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T01:48:03 4350 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T01:48:05 4351 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T01:48:05 4352 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T01:48:09 4353 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+2 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T01:48:09 4354 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:03:34 683 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:03:34 684 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:03:37 685 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:03:37 686 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:03:40 687 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:03:40 688 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:03:42 689 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:03:42 690 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:03:45 691 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:03:45 692 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:05:18 694 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:05:18 695 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:05:21 696 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:05:21 697 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:05:24 698 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:05:24 699 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:20 701 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:20 702 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:23 703 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:23 704 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:25 705 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:25 706 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:27 707 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:27 708 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:30 709 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:30 710 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:32 711 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:32 712 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:35 713 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:35 714 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:37 715 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:37 716 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:39 717 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:39 718 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:42 719 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:42 720 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)[/SPOILER-BOX]


And this is how long it took me to get it to Fang Soul + Shoot III

[SPOILER-BOX]2012-08-04T17:49:52 214 [GiveSpecialEffect] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:49:52 215 :Sacrifice 10258415 Inaam アルバグレイヴ attr:Light(18)
2012-08-04T17:49:52 216 :Sacrifice 10258415 Inaam ヴィタスラッシュ attr:Dark(12)
2012-08-04T17:51:24 224 [GiveSpecialEffect] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:51:24 225 :Sacrifice 10258415 Inaam アルバスプレイン attr:Dark(20)
2012-08-04T17:51:24 226 :Sacrifice 10258415 Inaam ランチャー attr:NONE(0)[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Limbo_lag]

>Have one transfer weapon with Fang soul + Shoot 2
>Have a Ridultiv with Fang soul + Shoot 2

>Want to get Ridultiv to Shoot 3
>Only have 110k from EM
>Cheapest item in AH with Fang soul + Shoot 2 is 111k

>Try to make another wep with Fang soul + Shoot 2. Fail 4-5 times, each time only one ability sticks.
>Decide "meh, forget it, I'll just try with the one weapon, with another wep with Shoot 2 only.
>50% chance. Use a +5%, 55% for both Fang soul + Shoot 3

>Ridultiv now has 0 abilities.

>To add insult to injury, I use my remaining 20k to try and add Shoot 2 to it, as I'm still using the launcher as I farm.
>Fails.

My 110k is now 6k. My Ridultiv has no abilities.

Whelp. Gonna take a break for a while.

I hate this system.

I'm also starting to think its much better just saving for a wep with the abilities already attached. Will save you so much grief.

I bet ARKS gets all its funds (to build its giant fleet of ships) from failed grinds/ability addons.

[Lyric]

I just dumped about 300,000 meseta trying to add Power III and Mutation I to one of my swords...

Christ on a mother f'n bike.

I understand failures happen but...If something says '80%' success rate, I expect it to have a reasonable chance to succeed. This is ridiculous...

[Crysteon]

There we go...another of my adventures with Dodo...but this one didnt come out as bad as the previous ones.

Here's the log:
[spoiler-box]
2012-08-19T22:47:13 568 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+1 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:13 569 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:15 570 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+2 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:15 571 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:18 572 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+3 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:18 573 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:20 574 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+3 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:20 575 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:23 576 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+3 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:23 577 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:25 578 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+4 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:25 579 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:27 580 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+4 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:27 581 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:29 582 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+3 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:29 583 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:33 584 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+4 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:33 585 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:35 586 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+5 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:35 587 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:37 588 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+5 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:37 589 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:40 590 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+6 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:40 591 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:42 592 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+7 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:42 593 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:45 594 [Grind(failure) -2] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+5 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:45 595 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:47 596 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+6 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:47 597 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:49 598 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+7 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:49 599 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:52 600 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+6 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:52 601 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:54 602 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+5 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:54 603 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:56 604 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+5 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:56 605 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:47:59 606 [Grind(failure) -0] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+5 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:47:59 607 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:01 608 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+6 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:01 609 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:03 610 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+7 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:03 611 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:06 612 [Grind(failure) -2] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+5 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:06 613 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:08 614 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+6 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:08 615 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:10 616 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+7 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:10 617 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:13 618 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+8 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:13 619 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:16 620 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+7 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:16 621 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:19 622 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+8 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:19 623 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:21 624 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+7 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:21 625 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:24 626 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+6 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:24 627 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:27 628 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+7 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:27 629 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:29 630 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+8 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:29 631 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:32 632 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+9 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:48:32 633 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:48:53 634 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(7)
2012-08-19T22:48:56 635 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-19T22:49:46 636 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+8 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:49:46 637 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:49:50 638 [Grind(failure) -1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+7 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:49:50 639 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:49:52 640 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+8 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:49:52 641 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:50:17 642 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(30)
2012-08-19T22:50:26 643 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+9 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:50:26 644 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:50:29 645 [Grind(success) +1] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+10 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:50:29 646 :Consume 10073400 Crysteon グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T22:51:59 647 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon パルチザン attr:Fire(20)
2012-08-19T22:51:59 648 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10073400 Crysteon ライフル attr:NONE(0)
2012-08-19T22:53:31 649 [GiveSpecialEffect] 10073400 Crysteon ライゼノーク+10 attr:Fire(15)
2012-08-19T22:53:31 650 :Sacrifice 10073400 Crysteon パルチザン attr:Fire(20)
2012-08-19T22:53:31 651 :Sacrifice 10073400 Crysteon ライフル attr:NONE(0)
[/spoiler-box]

And a vid to show how ridiculous part of the grinding was:
[spoiler-box]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSteI3JVYTc[/spoiler-box]

[Brus]

I just dumped about 300,000 meseta trying to add Power III and Mutation I to one of my swords...

Christ on a mother f'n bike.

I understand failures happen but...If something says '80%' success rate, I expect it to have a reasonable chance to succeed. This is ridiculous...

I feel your pain. I pretty sure that they forgot to put the decimal in the success rate. 8.0% is probably much more realistic... :P

[Julliz]

Today, Doodoo has been nice to me.
I can't find the logs for the affixing, but it took me about two or three tries in total to get Vol Soul and Power III on Adirou.

Afterwards, grinded it to +10. Took me a stack and a few of grinders and a few hundred thousand meseta, but that's not bad. I think it's better to just keep grinding than continuously buying those grind protects especially since I've been hoarding grinders lol.

Anyways, here's the log to see how long it took. Not bad, if I do say so myself.
[SPOILER-BOX]2012-08-19T07:13:45 1 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-19T07:13:45 2 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T07:13:52 3 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-19T07:13:52 4 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T07:13:58 5 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-19T07:13:58 6 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T07:14:04 7 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-19T07:14:04 8 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T07:14:09 9 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+6 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-19T07:14:09 10 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T07:14:14 11 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+7 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-19T07:14:14 12 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:24:43 9 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+7 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:24:43 10 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:24:50 12 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+6 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:24:50 13 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:24:54 15 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+7 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:24:54 16 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:24:57 17 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+6 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:24:57 18 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:00 19 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+7 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:00 20 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:03 22 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+6 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:03 23 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:05 24 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:05 25 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:08 26 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:08 27 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:11 28 [Grind(failure) -2] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+3 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:11 29 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:14 30 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:14 31 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:16 32 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:16 33 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:19 34 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:19 35 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:21 36 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:21 37 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:24 38 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:24 39 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:27 40 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:27 41 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:29 42 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+3 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:29 43 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:32 44 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:32 45 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:34 46 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:34 47 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:36 48 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:36 49 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:39 50 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:39 51 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:41 52 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:41 53 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:44 54 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+6 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:44 55 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:46 56 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+7 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:46 57 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:49 58 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+6 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:49 59 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:52 60 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:52 61 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:54 62 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:54 63 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:25:57 64 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:25:57 65 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:00 66 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:00 67 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:02 68 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+3 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:02 69 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:05 70 [Grind(failure) -0] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+3 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:05 71 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:08 73 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:08 74 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:11 76 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:11 77 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:13 79 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+4 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:13 80 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:44 88 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:44 89 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:47 90 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+6 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:47 91 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:49 92 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+5 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:49 93 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:52 94 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+6 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:52 95 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:54 96 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+7 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:54 97 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:56 98 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+6 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:56 99 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:26:59 100 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+7 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:26:59 101 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:27:01 103 [Grind(failure) -1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+6 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:27:01 104 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:27:04 105 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+7 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:27:04 106 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:27:06 107 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+8 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:27:06 108 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:27:08 109 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+9 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:27:08 110 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-20T02:27:11 111 [Grind(success) +1] 10064393 Julliz アーディロウ+10 attr:Dark(17)
2012-08-20T02:27:11 112 :Consume 10064393 Julliz グラインダー Num(3)
[/SPOILER-BOX]
Okay, it's kind of bad. But hey, +10 right?

[nadespam]

There we go...another of my adventures with Dodo...but this one didnt come out as bad as the previous ones.

And a vid to show how ridiculous part of the grinding was:
[spoiler-box]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSteI3JVYTc[/spoiler-box]

That song fits it perfectly!

[aug]

I think their chances system is broken, I failed 80% 4 times consecutively.

Mathematically for someone to fail that consecutively...

0.2 x 0.2 x 0.2 x 0.2 = 0.16 %

Either developers in SEGA is pure DUMB or I'm just really unlucky.

[nadespam]

I think their chances system is broken, I failed 80% 4 times consecutively.

Mathematically for someone to fail that consecutively...

0.2 x 0.2 x 0.2 x 0.2 = 0.16 %

Either developers in SEGA is pure DUMB or I'm just really unlucky.

RNG is RNG

[Gardios]

The RNG God just doesn't like you.

[aug]

2012-07-25T17:45:09 132 [Pickup] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル attr:Ice(13)

This was the start of something very bad. Very, Very Bad.

The story of, ティグリドル (Tigredor) - The cursed one.

[SPOILER-BOX]2012-07-25T21:53:52 625 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+1 attr:Ice(13)
2012-07-25T21:53:52 626 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-26T16:01:51 47 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+2 attr:Ice(13)
2012-07-26T16:01:51 48 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-07-28T22:19:17 270 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+2 attr:Ice(13)
2012-07-28T22:19:17 271 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:46:52 2716 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+2 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:46:52 2717 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:46:55 2718 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+2 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:46:55 2719 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:46:58 2720 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:46:58 2721 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:01 2723 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:01 2724 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:05 2725 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:05 2726 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:09 2727 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:09 2728 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:12 2729 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:12 2730 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:15 2731 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:15 2732 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-01T02:47:18 2733 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-01T02:47:18 2734 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:38:18 225 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:38:18 226 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:38:28 227 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:38:28 228 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:38:42 229 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:38:42 230 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:38:48 231 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:38:48 232 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:04 233 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+8 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:04 234 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:39 235 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:39 236 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:43 237 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:43 238 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:47 239 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:47 240 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:50 241 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:50 242 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:54 243 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:54 244 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:39:57 245 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:39:57 246 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:40:01 248 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:40:01 249 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:40:04 250 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:40:04 251 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-03T13:40:07 252 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-03T13:40:07 253 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:55:48 258 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:55:48 259 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:55:52 260 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:55:52 261 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:55:55 262 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:55:55 263 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:55:59 264 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:55:59 265 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:03 266 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:03 267 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:06 268 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:06 269 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:11 270 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:11 271 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:15 272 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:15 273 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:19 274 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:19 275 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:56:22 276 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:56:22 277 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-04T17:57:18 280 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:57:18 281 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-06T20:27:48 559 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-06T20:27:48 560 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-06T20:27:53 561 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-06T20:27:53 562 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:06:59 2208 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:06:59 2209 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:05 2210 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:05 2211 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:09 2212 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:09 2213 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:19 2214 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:19 2215 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:24 2216 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:24 2217 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:31 2218 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:31 2219 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:35 2220 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:35 2221 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:39 2222 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+8 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:39 2223 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:07:46 2224 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:07:46 2225 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:14:59 2251 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:14:59 2252 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:15:04 2253 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:15:04 2254 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-07T18:15:08 2255 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-07T18:15:08 2256 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T19:37:56 447 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T19:37:56 448 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T19:37:59 449 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T19:37:59 450 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T19:38:03 451 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T19:38:03 452 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T20:58:02 936 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T20:58:02 937 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T22:00:35 1239 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T22:00:35 1240 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T22:00:39 1241 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T22:00:39 1242 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T23:27:24 1673 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T23:27:24 1674 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-08T23:27:26 1675 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-08T23:27:26 1676 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T19:37:09 1726 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-09T19:37:09 1727 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T19:37:11 1728 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-09T19:37:11 1729 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T19:37:14 1730 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-09T19:37:14 1731 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T19:37:17 1732 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-09T19:37:17 1733 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-09T19:37:20 1734 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-09T19:37:20 1735 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-11T17:53:05 1209 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-11T17:53:05 1210 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-11T17:53:08 1211 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-11T17:53:08 1212 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-11T17:53:11 1213 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-11T17:53:11 1214 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-11T17:53:14 1215 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-11T17:53:14 1216 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:27 3304 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:27 3305 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:32 3306 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:32 3307 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:34 3308 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:34 3309 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:37 3310 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:37 3311 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:39 3312 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:39 3313 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:42 3314 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:42 3315 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:44 3316 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:44 3317 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:47 3318 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:47 3319 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:49 3320 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:49 3321 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-18T23:50:52 3322 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-18T23:50:52 3323 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T01:48:00 4347 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T01:48:00 4348 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T01:48:03 4349 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T01:48:03 4350 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T01:48:05 4351 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T01:48:05 4352 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T01:48:09 4353 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+2 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T01:48:09 4354 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:03:34 683 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:03:34 684 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:03:37 685 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:03:37 686 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:03:40 687 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:03:40 688 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:03:42 689 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:03:42 690 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:03:45 691 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:03:45 692 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:05:18 694 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:05:18 695 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:05:21 696 [Grind(failure) -1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:05:21 697 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:05:24 698 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:05:24 699 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:20 701 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+6 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:20 702 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:23 703 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+7 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:23 704 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:25 705 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:25 706 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:27 707 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:27 708 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:30 709 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:30 710 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:32 711 [Grind(failure) -0] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:32 712 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:35 713 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:35 714 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:37 715 [Grind(failure) -2] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+3 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:37 716 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:39 717 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:39 718 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-19T13:06:42 719 [Grind(success) +1] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+5 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-19T13:06:42 720 :Consume 10258415 Inaam グラインダー Num(3)[/SPOILER-BOX]


And this is how long it took me to get it to Fang Soul + Shoot III

[SPOILER-BOX]2012-08-04T17:49:52 214 [GiveSpecialEffect] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:49:52 215 :Sacrifice 10258415 Inaam アルバグレイヴ attr:Light(18)
2012-08-04T17:49:52 216 :Sacrifice 10258415 Inaam ヴィタスラッシュ attr:Dark(12)
2012-08-04T17:51:24 224 [GiveSpecialEffect] 10258415 Inaam ティグリドル+4 attr:Ice(13)
2012-08-04T17:51:24 225 :Sacrifice 10258415 Inaam アルバスプレイン attr:Dark(20)
2012-08-04T17:51:24 226 :Sacrifice 10258415 Inaam ランチャー attr:NONE(0)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Wow... nice luck on the Fang Soul + Shoot III, I spent 800k to try on my 9 Star armor resulting only in it with 0 slot.

[gigawuts]

I'm pretty sure the game is programmed to have streaks. There's just no way people would lose so many high chance things in a row without the RNG being extremely bad even by sega standards (numerous tests done with rare monsters in PSO1 had them show up pretty much right on time most of the time, but that could have been a different RNG system) or it's designed to give streaks of highs and lows.

If this is the case, I can understand the logic, however it is flawed. It takes numerous tries to attempt something you would want to complete. Once you complete it you won't be attempting it anymore. Getting a streak of wins would be cut short abruptly upon reaching your goal; getting a streak of failures means only stopping when you've been griefed into ragequitting.

[Julliz]

Wow... nice luck on the Fang Soul + Shoot III, I spent 800k to try on my 9 Star armor resulting only in it with 0 slot.

oh yeah, for some reason i have horrible luck with those armors too. spent around 500k trying to get Vol Soul and Power III on a 9 star unit and nothing came from it. oh well.

[Heat Haze]

I've had a fair amount of luck grinding and affixing. Usually ends up well.

Recently though, I spend 200k on getting Ragne Soul and Technique III on my weapon. Works first try so I thought "Huh, this might end up good."

Tried grinding it. 1.2mil and 800k meseta later I'm at +5. Way to raise my hopes and kill them Doo Doo.

[Limbo_lag]

Ridultiv at +10, with shoot 3 and fang soul :3

About time.

[Zyrusticae]

Continuation of my last post:


2012-08-20T20:29:15 240 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:15 241 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:17 242 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:17 243 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:20 244 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:20 245 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:22 246 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:22 247 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:25 248 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:25 249 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:27 250 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:27 251 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:29 252 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:29 253 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:32 254 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:32 255 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:34 256 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:34 257 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:36 258 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:36 259 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:39 260 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+5 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:39 261 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:41 262 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+6 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:41 263 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:44 264 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+7 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:44 265 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:46 266 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+8 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:46 267 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:48 268 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+9 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:48 269 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-20T20:29:51 270 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ グングナアタ+10 attr:Dark(21)
2012-08-20T20:29:51 271 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)

WELL IT'S ABOUT GODDAMN TIME!

This was just a 7* weapon, too...

(I had to close my eyes and spam the button to get through this. Bloody hell!)

[gigawuts]

Continuation of my last post:



WELL IT'S ABOUT GODDAMN TIME!

This was just a 7* weapon, too...

(I had to close my eyes and spam the button to get through this. Bloody hell!)

When I go for +10 this is how I"m doing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OkKhkJiJyo

[Skyly HUmar]

I think their chances system is broken, I failed 80% 4 times consecutively.

Mathematically for someone to fail that consecutively...

0.2 x 0.2 x 0.2 x 0.2 = 0.16 %

Either developers in SEGA is pure DUMB or I'm just really unlucky.

I got the new gunslash, I got poison 4 on it on the first try (it had no abilities so it was lower than a 20% chance). I grind this wep to +8. Next time i grind I waste about 700K getting it from +8 to +9, next time i grind i waste about 500k getting it from +9 to +2.The next time i grind it fails at +5 and stays there till i waste 99 grinders. And the last time i grinded it, I only spent about 30k on it because it dropped one grind on the first attempt and kept failing.

RNG can be brutal XD but its all random. Eventually with enough money you'll get your way lol.

[GreenArcher]

+8 Tigredor with Shoot III, Ability I, Stamina I
220 grinders and 700k later
+5 Tigredor with Ran'sa soul

[Aewyn]

I got mine to +10 but it hates anything with souls on it. For example.

Aewyn decides to add Fang Soul to his Tig with Shoot 3. Fails, of course. Aewyn decides to burn the 30+ weapons he has with Fang Soul on them. Aewyn fails to add Fang Soul 15 times. Aewyn runs out of money. Aewyn resists urge to throw controller after inexplicably failing 15 times with a 40% chance. 2/5, game. That was 0/15. That's such statistically unlikely.

[JeyKama]

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s258/jeykama/082112stuff.jpg

They all started with 2 slots with Shoot 2/3 already on them... The gun upgraded from Poison 2 to 3... the Wings went from Shoot 2+Signo Soul to Shoot 3+ Mizer Soul... the arm unit went from Signo Soul to Mizer as well.

Had a 37%/45% (I think) on the arm unit due to Mizer Soul failing the first time... hit enter too fast before I could tack on a +5% success device, and it worked anyway x_X The gun and wings upgraded first tries too... which makes up for the 800k or so I dumped trying to get Poison 3/Shoot 3 onto the gun the first time. Kind of.

random numberssssssss

[gigawuts]

I got mine to +10 but it hates anything with souls on it. For example.

Aewyn decides to add Fang Soul to his Tig with Shoot 3. Fails, of course. Aewyn decides to burn the 30+ weapons he has with Fang Soul on them. Aewyn fails to add Fang Soul 15 times. Aewyn runs out of money. Aewyn resists urge to throw controller after inexplicably failing 15 times with a 40% chance. 2/5, game. That was 0/15. That's such statistically unlikely.

That's supposed to be ridiculously rare. Either the game is set up to have an appropriate number of successes for individuals (which as I've said is flawed logic, when you succeed you don't keep trying), or it's so extremely broken that it should probably get an award for bad programming.

That's why I'm saying the game has streaks programmed in. It has to.

[iTz PooKiie xx]

After many attempts and millions lossed

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/xGURENxSEITENx/pso20120821_130351_002.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/xGURENxSEITENx/pso20120821_130349_001.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/xGURENxSEITENx/pso20120821_130347_000.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[TaigaUC]

I just had repeated 60%, 75% and 80% failures at least 4 times each in a row. Never had so many 80% failures in a row before.

Either I have god awful luck or the game's broken. Maybe both! I never had this much of a problem doing 1 slot affixes on my first account though.

About streaks... I've found that in some games/engines, "random" likes to pick the same thing multiple times in a row, regardless of whether the variable array is huge. Don't know why it's like that, maybe it's just crap coding.

Edit: Failed 60% and 75% several more times, but eventually reached my pitiful simple goal of Technique II and Ragne Soul. Woohoo. Now I'm virtually penniless on this account again, for the second time this week. Last time was the same affixes on a different weapon. Strangely enough, I did the same thing several times on my first account and don't recall it failing like this. Just a thought, but I wonder if they have code in there that reduces success chance based on overall server population wealth or frequency of items with certain affixes.

[Ordy]

So, after farming the right abilities, changing blocks for hours to find 400 Mesetas Power I weapons ... I tried my Power III - Vol Soul 85% / 85% transfert !

http://i.imgur.com/xe2WI.png

Well, yea ...

http://i.imgur.com/cMP7p.gif

[Patmaster]

[SPOILER-BOX]2012-08-24T21:30:23 1762 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+2 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:23 1763 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:27 1764 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+3 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:27 1765 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:29 1766 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:29 1767 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:32 1768 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:32 1769 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:35 1770 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:35 1771 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:38 1772 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:38 1773 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:41 1774 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:41 1775 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:44 1776 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:44 1777 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:47 1778 [Grind(failure) -2] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:47 1779 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:50 1780 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:50 1781 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:53 1782 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:53 1783 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:56 1785 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:56 1786 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:30:59 1787 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:30:59 1788 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:02 1789 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+8 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:02 1790 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:04 1791 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:04 1792 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:07 1793 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:07 1794 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:10 1795 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:10 1796 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:12 1797 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:12 1798 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:15 1799 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:15 1800 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:18 1802 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+8 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:18 1803 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:21 1804 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:21 1805 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:23 1806 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+8 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:23 1807 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:26 1808 [Grind(failure) -2] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:26 1809 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:29 1810 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:29 1811 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:32 1812 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:32 1813 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:35 1814 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:35 1815 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:38 1816 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+8 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:38 1817 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:40 1818 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:40 1819 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:43 1820 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+8 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:43 1821 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:45 1823 [Grind(failure) -2] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:45 1824 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:48 1825 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:48 1826 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:51 1827 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:51 1828 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:54 1829 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:54 1830 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:56 1831 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:56 1832 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:31:59 1833 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:31:59 1834 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:02 1835 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:02 1836 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:04 1837 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:04 1838 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:07 1839 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:07 1840 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:10 1841 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:10 1842 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:12 1843 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:12 1844 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:15 1845 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:15 1846 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:18 1847 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:18 1848 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:20 1849 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+3 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:20 1850 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:23 1851 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:23 1852 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:26 1853 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:26 1854 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:28 1855 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:28 1856 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:31 1857 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:31 1858 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:34 1859 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:34 1860 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:32:37 1862 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:32:37 1863 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:08 1865 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:08 1866 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:11 1867 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:11 1868 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:14 1870 [Grind(failure) -2] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:14 1871 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:17 1872 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:17 1873 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:20 1874 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:20 1875 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:22 1876 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:22 1877 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:25 1878 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+8 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:25 1879 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:28 1880 [Grind(failure) -2] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:28 1881 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:30 1882 [Grind(failure) -2] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:30 1883 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:33 1884 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:33 1885 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:36 1886 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:36 1887 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:39 1888 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:39 1889 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:41 1890 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+8 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:41 1891 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:44 1892 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:44 1893 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:46 1894 [Grind(failure) -2] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:46 1895 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:49 1896 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:49 1897 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:52 1898 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:52 1899 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:55 1900 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:55 1901 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:33:57 1902 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:33:57 1903 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:00 1904 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:00 1905 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:03 1906 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:03 1907 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:06 1908 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:06 1909 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:08 1910 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:08 1911 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:11 1912 [Grind(failure) -2] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:11 1913 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:13 1914 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:13 1915 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:16 1916 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:16 1917 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:19 1918 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:19 1919 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:21 1920 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:21 1921 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:24 1922 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:24 1923 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:27 1924 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:27 1925 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:29 1927 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:29 1928 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:32 1929 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:32 1930 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:35 1931 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:35 1932 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:38 1933 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:38 1934 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:41 1935 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:41 1936 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:43 1937 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:43 1938 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:46 1939 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:46 1940 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:49 1941 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:49 1942 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:51 1943 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:51 1944 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:54 1945 [Grind(failure) -2] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:54 1946 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:34:57 1947 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:34:57 1948 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:35:00 1950 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:35:00 1951 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:35:03 1952 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:35:03 1953 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:35:05 1954 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:35:05 1955 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:35:08 1956 [Grind(failure) -0] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+4 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:35:08 1957 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:35:11 1958 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+5 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:35:11 1959 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:35:14 1960 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:35:14 1961 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:35:17 1962 [Grind(success) +1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+7 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:35:17 1963 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)
2012-08-24T21:35:20 1964 [Grind(failure) -1] 10259502 Sakura Haruno アキシオン+6 attr:Ice(14)
2012-08-24T21:35:20 1965 :Consume 10259502 Sakura Haruno グラインダー Num(2)[/SPOILER-BOX]


No, just NO!!! Thank you Segac, let the old PSU times roll once again. If it continues that way, no way I am giving away one more penny for that piece of RNG-crap. btw. I am 90 days premium!!! :mad:

[JeyKama]

No, just NO!!! Thank you Segac, let the old PSU times roll once again. If it continues that way, no way I am giving away one more penny for that piece of RNG-crap. btw. I am 90 days premium!!! :mad:

You mean, when you actually broke weapons when you ground then? :p

[Patmaster]

After 202 grinds, TWOHUNDREDTWO this dirt cheap gunlash is @ +6! It never touched 9... ridicolous!

[Crimson Exile]

Grinding can be a pain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNSpPr6lPPU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNSpPr6lPPU

[jooozek]

So, after farming the right abilities, changing blocks for hours to find 400 Mesetas Power I weapons ... I tried my Power III - Vol Soul 85% / 85% transfert !

http://i.imgur.com/xe2WI.png

Well, yea ...

http://i.imgur.com/cMP7p.gif

How did you get your success rate so high?

[Aeris]

After 202 grinds, TWOHUNDREDTWO this dirt cheap gunlash is @ +6! It never touched 9... ridicolous!

Reminds me grinding my fire arms to +8 to +9, never even touched it either after like 3-4 tries getting it back to +8 again.

[Ordy]

How did you get your success rate so high?

Target: Power I - Vol Soul
Weapon 1: Power III - Vol Soul
Weapon 2: Power III - Vol Soul
Boost: +5% Chance

[Heat Haze]

Yeah.. I wanted to punch Doo Doo after this happened. 2% of this happening. And.. it had to happen.
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i50.tinypic.com/20iifrp.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Ordy]

Little update:

I finally have my "Soul - Power III" weapon now.

When the 85%-85% didn't work ... the 35%-45% did.

Now, tell me. Where is the logic?

[Macman]

Clearly DoDo messes with you and either shows your success rate or failure rate in those percents at random.

[gigawuts]

I think that's just the chance that he'll even attempt to apply it, instead of saving it for later to cut up and snort.

Then if he tries to apply it he still has a standard chance to fail.

[Enforcer MKV]

Clearly DoDo messes with you and either shows your success rate or failure rate in those percents at random.

This....wouldn't surprise me. In the least.

[iTz PooKiie xx]

2012-08-24T12:10:11 1 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ ティグリドル+10 attr:Thunder(17)
2012-08-24T12:10:11 2 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:10:34 3 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+2 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:10:34 4 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:10:37 5 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+3 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:10:37 6 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:10:40 7 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:10:40 8 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:10:45 9 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:10:45 10 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:10:48 11 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:10:48 12 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:10:51 13 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:10:51 14 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:10:53 15 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:10:53 16 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:10:56 17 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:10:56 18 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:10:59 19 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:10:59 20 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:11:01 21 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:11:01 22 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:11:03 23 [Grind(failure) -2] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:11:03 24 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:11:07 25 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:11:07 26 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:11:10 27 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:11:10 28 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:11:13 29 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:11:13 30 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:11:15 31 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:11:15 32 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:11:34 33 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 強化リスク減少（－１） Num(2)
2012-08-24T12:11:50 34 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+9 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:11:50 35 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:11:55 36 [Grind(failure) -2] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:11:55 37 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:12:03 38 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:12:03 39 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:12:06 40 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:12:06 41 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:12:09 42 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:12:09 43 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:12:12 44 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:12:12 45 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T12:12:14 46 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T12:12:14 47 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T15:26:26 98 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(1)
2012-08-24T15:26:42 99 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(7)
2012-08-24T15:27:59 101 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T15:27:59 102 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T15:28:02 103 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+3 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T15:28:02 104 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T15:28:04 105 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-24T15:28:04 106 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-24T15:28:15 107 [Leave0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
012-08-26T12:57:15 893 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:15 894 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:18 895 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:18 896 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:20 897 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:20 898 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:23 899 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:23 900 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:25 901 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:25 902 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:28 903 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:28 904 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:30 905 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:30 906 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:33 907 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:33 908 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:35 909 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:35 910 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:37 911 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:37 912 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:40 913 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:40 914 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:43 915 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:43 916 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:45 917 [Grind(failure) -2] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:45 918 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:48 919 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:48 920 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:50 921 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:50 922 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:52 923 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:52 924 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:57:55 925 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+9 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:57:55 926 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T12:59:09 931 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 強化リスク減少（－１） Num(1)
2012-08-26T12:59:14 932 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 強化成功率＋５％ Num(1)
2012-08-26T12:59:37 936 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+9 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T12:59:37 937 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:00:00 941 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 強化リスク減少（－１） Num(1)
2012-08-26T13:00:26 943 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+9 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:00:26 944 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:02:54 956 [Grind(failure) -2] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:02:54 957 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:04 958 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:04 959 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:06 960 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:06 961 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:09 962 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:09 963 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:11 965 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:11 966 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:14 967 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:14 968 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:16 969 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:16 970 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:19 972 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:19 973 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:21 974 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:21 975 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:24 976 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:24 977 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:26 978 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:26 979 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:29 980 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:29 981 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:31 982 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T13:03:31 983 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T13:03:33 984 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:35:04 1829 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:35:04 1830 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:35:20 1831 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:35:20 1832 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:35:22 1833 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:35:22 1834 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:35:25 1835 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:35:25 1836 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:35:28 1837 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:35:28 1838 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:36:02 1839 [DisplayToShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ アルバフォールオンス attr:Thunder(15)
2012-08-26T15:36:02 1840 [DisplayToShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ アルバフォールオンス attr:Light(21)
2012-08-26T15:36:25 1841 [Sell] 10066540 ★PooKie★ フォレストフラワー Num(1)
2012-08-26T15:36:25 1842 [Sell] 10066540 ★PooKie★ レッグ／バーゴライドβ
2012-08-26T15:36:25 1843 [Sell] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リア／バーゴストゥα
2012-08-26T15:36:25 1844 [Sell] 10066540 ★PooKie★ アーム／サーカリジュアβ
2012-08-26T15:36:25 1845 [Sell] 10066540 ★PooKie★ コンセントレイトワン Level(7)
2012-08-26T15:36:38 1846 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:36:38 1847 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:37:09 1848 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(89)
2012-08-26T15:37:19 1849 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:37:19 1850 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:37:21 1851 [Grind(failure) -2] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+3 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:37:21 1852 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:37:23 1853 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:37:23 1854 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:37:25 1855 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:37:25 1856 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:37:28 1857 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:37:28 1858 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:37:30 1859 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:37:30 1860 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:37:32 1861 [Grind(failure) -2] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:37:32 1862 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:37:35 1863 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:37:35 1864 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:37:37 1865 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:37:37 1866 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:37:39 1867 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:37:39 1868 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:38:53 1884 [DisplayToShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 能力追加成功率＋５％ Num(1)
2012-08-26T15:39:01 1885 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 強化リスク減少（－１） Num(1)
2012-08-26T15:39:04 1886 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 強化リスク減少（－１） Num(1)
2012-08-26T15:39:17 1887 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:39:17 1888 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:39:21 1889 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:39:21 1890 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:39:51 1891 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 強化リスク減少（－１） Num(1)
2012-08-26T15:40:00 1892 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 強化リスク減少（保護） Num(1)
2012-08-26T15:40:15 1893 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:40:15 1894 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:40:34 1895 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 強化リスク減少（－１） Num(1)
2012-08-26T15:40:37 1896 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10066540 ★PooKie★ 強化リスク減少（－１） Num(1)
2012-08-26T15:40:52 1897 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:40:52 1898 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:40:56 1899 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:40:56 1900 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:41:01 1901 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+9 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:41:01 1902 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:41:06 1903 [Grind(failure) -0] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+9 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:41:06 1904 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:41:10 1905 [Grind(failure) -1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:41:10 1906 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:41:38 1907 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+9 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:41:38 1908 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)
2012-08-26T15:41:41 1909 [Grind(success) +1] 10066540 ★PooKie★ リドゥルティブ+10 attr:Thunder(14)
2012-08-26T15:41:41 1910 :Consume 10066540 ★PooKie★ グラインダー Num(3)

lol i suck at copy and paste but it took me a mil + several hundred grinders >< fuck you doodooface

[Aeris]

That paste kinda made me laugh at the stuff you npced though xD

[iTz PooKiie xx]

That paste kinda made me laugh at the stuff you npced though xD

Lol xD was doing that between grinds.

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/xGURENxSEITENx/pso20120826_165334_000.jpg
end result

[Udonge]

I wonder if it's possible to make a calculator for adding abilities. You can test out all sorts of combinations and find the best success rate.

[Sp-24]

I have just calculated my chances of getting a TechniqueIII + Ragne Soul unit if I start with 9 TechniqueI units and 2 Ragne Soul units. The results are depressing. I don't recommend it to anybody.

[Coatl]

I have just calculated my chances of getting a TechniqueIII + Ragne Soul unit if I start with 9 TechniqueI units and 2 Ragne Soul units. The results are depressing. I don't recommend it to anybody.

I'd love to see the calculations. o:

[gigawuts]

Probably less than 5%, heh.

[Crysteon]

Calculations? Pffftttccch! It's already known that baka gaijins have an inherent -20% success rate on anything!!

[Sp-24]

Probably less than 5%, heh.

It's 5.328% 4.2624% :D I can post it later, after I find the strength to verify if those 5 lines of high (or maybe middle) school-level calculations are all correct. And since this is probably my fifth edit by now, you can bet they weren't.

[sexyslut]

What im interested in is how much meseta would it realistically cost on average to get tech3+ragne on a 9* unit.

[Sp-24]

By the popular demand of Coatl!

[spoiler-box]Chance of getting TechII: 0.8
Chance of getting TechIII: 0.5
Chance of transferring TechIII: 0.45
Chance of transferring Ragne Soul: 0.37

Getting 3x TechII units: 0.8^3 = 0.512
Getting both TechIII and Soul affixes on your unit: 0.45*0.37 = 0.1665
Chance of pulling it all off in one try (with 9x StatI units and 2x Soul units): 0.512*0.5*0.1665 = 0.042624[/spoiler-box]
So yeah, it's 4.2624%. I have no idea how reliable other methods are, since my yesterday's calculations turned out to be completely wrong, but this one requires the least amount of operations and units that have souls on them, at least.

[Dextro]

What im interested in is how much meseta would it realistically cost on average to get tech3+ragne on a 9* unit.

That totally depends on the method you use.
You can go for a 100/50% chance, an 80/80% chance, a 60%/50% chance, or a 35%/45% chance. They all have different prep costs; the more luck is involved, the lower the prep cost will be.
There might be more ways, but those are the popular ones. Also you can use a +5% boost item if you feel it's worth the money, that'll up the cost by about 80k.

[Heat Haze]

What im interested in is how much meseta would it realistically cost on average to get tech3+ragne on a 9* unit.

Realistically? You're looking at about 600-700k.

Assuming the 9* unit has no ability slots, you're looking at 80% and 75%/75% chances to add two slots to occupy the Ragne Soul and Technique III. Then, there is Doo Doo's tendency to fail even those high percentages so you'll likely waste around 160k just to add two slots (20k per attempt on a 9* unit is.. costly).

Then, you'll actually have to make the Technique III unit (Or buy for approximately 75k) along with Ragne Soul (10k each, if you buy). If you know your way around affixing, you'll have 80% chance to transfer the Technique III unit to your 9*. Then, you'll have to throw the Ragne Soul on there (Assuming you even succeeded with the Technique III transfer in the first place).

All of that, just for a 50% and 60% on Ragne Soul and Technique III which you're likely to fail. .5*.6 and you're looking at a 30% chance of your desired result.

Repeat the above process a few times and.. yeah. You get the idea.

So.. to sum up it's like this (If you buy Technique III instead of making your own): .8*.75*.75*.8*.5*.6 and.. your chances are about 10% first try.

Much lower success if you're going to make your own Technique III units. The meseta amount is an opinion and not a hard fact, just from my own experiences.

This is just one approach to get Soul + Level III set up on the unit. There are a lot of ways to go about it. But your best chances will end up with you having an 80%*80% chance (Without modifier) and even then.. you can still fail there.

[sexyslut]

Realistically? You're looking at about 600-700k.

Assuming the 9* unit has no ability slots, you're looking at 80% and 75%/75% chances to add two slots to occupy the Ragne Soul and Technique III. Then, there is Doo Doo's tendency to fail even those high percentages so you'll likely waste around 160k just to add two slots (20k per attempt on a 9* unit is.. costly).

Then, you'll actually have to make the Technique III unit (Or buy for approximately 75k) along with Ragne Soul (10k each, if you buy). If you know your way around affixing, you'll have 80% chance to transfer the Technique III unit to your 9*. Then, you'll have to throw the Ragne Soul on there (Assuming you even succeeded with the Technique III transfer in the first place).

All of that, just for a 50% and 60% on Ragne Soul and Technique III which you're likely to fail. .5*.6 and you're looking at a 30% chance of your desired result.

Repeat the above process a few times and.. yeah. You get the idea.

So.. to sum up it's like this (If you buy Technique III instead of making your own): .8*.75*.75*.8*.5*.6 and.. your chances are about 10% first try.

Much lower success if you're going to make your own Technique III units. The meseta amount is an opinion and not a hard fact, just from my own experiences.

This is just one approach to get Soul + Level III set up on the unit. There are a lot of ways to go about it. But your best chances will end up with you having an 80%*80% chance (Without modifier) and even then.. you can still fail there.

700K >.< Thats like a good 4 hours farming with my luck.

-OR I could just drink a shifta and PRETEND I got god armors \(^u^)/

[gigawuts]

Or you could do both at once.

Yeah...

[Crysteon]

Grinding with Dodo in a nutshell


Me: Okay, dumbass. You'd better make this shit +10 fast.
Dodo:....You wont get shit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/DPTastic/bchdodo.jpg

[/spoiler-box]

[spoiler]Yup...I'm bored........

[iTz PooKiie xx]

Grinding with Dodo in a nutshell


Me: Okay, dumbass. You'd better make this shit +10 fast.
Dodo:....You wont get shit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/DPTastic/bchdodo.jpg

[/spoiler-box]

[spoiler]Yup...I'm bored........


http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/xGURENxSEITENx/loltrolololol.jpg
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=29561645

lolz

[sexyslut]

SUBARASHI

[aug]

Realistically? You're looking at about 600-700k.

Assuming the 9* unit has no ability slots, you're looking at 80% and 75%/75% chances to add two slots to occupy the Ragne Soul and Technique III. Then, there is Doo Doo's tendency to fail even those high percentages so you'll likely waste around 160k just to add two slots (20k per attempt on a 9* unit is.. costly).

Then, you'll actually have to make the Technique III unit (Or buy for approximately 75k) along with Ragne Soul (10k each, if you buy). If you know your way around affixing, you'll have 80% chance to transfer the Technique III unit to your 9*. Then, you'll have to throw the Ragne Soul on there (Assuming you even succeeded with the Technique III transfer in the first place).

All of that, just for a 50% and 60% on Ragne Soul and Technique III which you're likely to fail. .5*.6 and you're looking at a 30% chance of your desired result.

Repeat the above process a few times and.. yeah. You get the idea.

So.. to sum up it's like this (If you buy Technique III instead of making your own): .8*.75*.75*.8*.5*.6 and.. your chances are about 10% first try.

Much lower success if you're going to make your own Technique III units. The meseta amount is an opinion and not a hard fact, just from my own experiences.

This is just one approach to get Soul + Level III set up on the unit. There are a lot of ways to go about it. But your best chances will end up with you having an 80%*80% chance (Without modifier) and even then.. you can still fail there.

600~700k is if your very lucky. I've spent 3m on my 9 star launcher at this point using that method and its still at 0 affixes. More than 5 times 50% and 60% and none passed.

[Heat Haze]

600~700k is if your very lucky. I've spent 3m on my 9 star launcher at this point using that method and its still at 0 affixes. More than 5 times 50% and 60% and none passed.

If you're unlucky, you may as well opt the 85%/85% route.

Throw Soul + Level III on Sub Units. They'll only cost you 300-400 meseta to affix rather than the 20k on your 9* unit.

With the Soul on the 9* unit, and if you have two sub units with the desired abilities, you'll end up on an 80%/80% success rate. +5% with the item which I recommend at that point.

[aug]

If you're unlucky, you may as well opt the 85%/85% route.

Throw Soul + Level III on Sub Units. They'll only cost you 300-400 meseta to affix rather than the 20k on your 9* unit.

With the Soul on the 9* unit, and if you have two sub units with the desired abilities, you'll end up on an 80%/80% success rate. +5% with the item which I recommend at that point.

Well.. the potential risks here will be instead on the sacrificial items. Only point I'm trying to bring here is that the costs u brought up seems rather low considering the sacrificial items are not easy to make either.

[sexyslut]

600~700k is if your very lucky. I've spent 3m on my 9 star launcher at this point using that method and its still at 0 affixes. More than 5 times 50% and 60% and none passed.

x.x

say wah

-dewd u should just put 1 soul on it and quit while your ahead because that launcher is apparently cursed

[gigawuts]

x.x

say wah

-dewd u should just put 1 soul on it and quit while your ahead because that launcher is apparently cursed

And that is the result of RNG. Very few players actually hover around average success rate. Most get by without a hassle, others literally never succeed.

[valmont]

SUBARASHI

KU UN GA NAI NA..
*insert evil laugh sfx here*

[Gardios]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/xGURENxSEITENx/loltrolololol.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=29561645

lolz

And I thought Kiri (http://www.google.de/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1110&bih=648&tbm=isch&tbnid=tXaJZCnV-4vvTM:&imgrefurl=http://lordtut.deviantart.com/art/DFO-Kiri-166824375&imgurl=http://www.deviantart.com/download/166824375/DFO_Kiri_by_LordTut.jpg&w=500&h=2250&ei=vCc-UJHYKojJtAbHkIDgDg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=74&vpy=53&dur=1018&hovh=400&hovw=88&tx=87&ty=216&sig=104995651322166361182&page=1&tbnh=152&tbnw=32&start=0&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:73) was cruel... :lol:

[aug]

Well.. the potential risks here will be instead on the sacrificial items. Only point I'm trying to bring here is that the costs u brought up seems rather low considering the sacrificial items are not easy to make either.

Update: Spent 4m. (1m to try 80%,80%) End result: 1 soul affix. Item discarded.

Btw, 80%/80% failed in all 3 tries... Sometimes I wonder if I'm just plain unlucky or what.

[gigawuts]

Update: Spent 4m. (1m to try 80%,80%) End result: 1 soul affix. Item discarded.

Btw, 80%/80% failed in all 3 tries... Sometimes I wonder if I'm just plain unlucky or what.

Don't worry your pretty little head. You can rest easy knowing that for each of those failures, 4 other people succeeded on their first try. Are you comforted yet? No? What do you mean that's bad game design?

[Brus]

Oh my god, Doodoo screwed me out of 4 million to get my Ridultiv to +10...

then I changed something and got Fang Soul and Shoot III on my first try.






Apparently, all you have to do is dress up like Doodoo for success! HAHAHA

[watersea]

are you guys for real. it only took me 30k to make myself these 3 slot units. you guys arent even trying

[Crysteon]

are you guys for real. it only took me 30k to make myself these 3 slot units. you guys arent even trying

No, you just were EXTREMELY lucky on that.

[jooozek]

No, you just were EXTREMELY lucky on that.

More like he wasted millions to get chance rates up to that level first.

[Crysteon]

Well, he said he spent 30k...that's sorta ambiguous, lol.

[TaigaUC]

Bankrupted on my Hunter account for like the 20th time in the past month. Grind and affix failures. 80% failures, 75%, failures, 60% failures, etc... gave up and used my remaining meseta to get my Zanba from +9 to +10 and it worked after one failure. Figures...

The most annoying thing is that even though I keep getting 5 star weapons for dirt cheap, I end up spending so much attempting to slap basic affixes on them that I could have just bought an uber rare. Instead, I end up with no money and a useless weapon with no affixes. I could swear they must have lowered the success rate, because I was able to do these kinds of affixes easily a few months ago. Every recent attempt has failed miserably and repeatedly sucked my entire savings down to zero. Oh well...

[Dextro]

are you guys for real. it only took me 30k to make myself these 3 slot units. you guys arent even trying

Don't forget the +5% boost x3
PP Boost AC Item x3
All the materials used to make the 2 fodder units.
aaaand finally 10k for each attempt to get a soul&atk on that 3slot base unit :-)

But the final attempt is only 30k guys! you must all suck at affixing units, are you even trying?

[Heat Haze]

are you guys for real. it only took me 30k to make myself these 3 slot units. you guys arent even trying

With all the extra steps and items you have, you've definitely spent more than 30k. 30k per attempt to affix? Sure. However all the extras you have carry a hefty premium (+5%, Extra Fodder, ect). Who needs to do any of that when LOLRNG exists?
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i46.tinypic.com/mlijb.png[/SPOILER-BOX]
Wish that each failure rolls down your affix a level instead of removing it outright; so much relief would be had.

[gigawuts]

You guys realize he was just poking fun at you, right?

[Dextro]

You guys realize he was just poking fun at you, right?

You'd be surprised lol...

I think Heat just won the thread with that affix, though.
That's something that can actually cost only 30k :-D

[Coatl]

Doo doo wants to lay down a rap for all the QQers in the house.


http://soundcloud.com/croclo/dodo


Dig it.

[jooozek]

http://i.imgur.com/JwEed.jpg
Obviously I failed, thank you SEGA for your retarded client orders and putting "time trials" on random maps. Seriously.

[TaigaUC]

That person boasting about only spending 30k is either kidding or wants to feel "superior" by boasting about it. I don't know if they stated a value much lower than what they actually spent because they can't count, are simply unaware of the total costs, or were trying to artificially emphasize their point.

@jooozek
Yeah, I can't stand that there is always the possibility of random events completely screwing and forcing us to restart maps. Just yesterday, I ended up boxed in by a Code Collect with the cubes locked behind a Code Elimination where the enemies spawned on the other side of the Elimination wall. I could have telepiped out, ran back and collected cubes on the other side of the wall (still stupid and wastes time), but I couldn't do anything about the Elimination and had to wait for it to time out.

As I always say, there should never be game elements outside of a player's ability to triumph over them. PSO2 has several elements that players cannot do anything about. They seriously need to fix those. I also think it's brutally sadistic how the game often likes to introduce Code Avoid (with three of those red flying things) whenever there's a Code Protection or PSE Burst. Kind of similar to how you get a rare item and then blow millions trying to prepare it for everyday use.

Do they even think about how players feel about that knid of thing? Everything good and rewarding seems to be paired with something equally bad or horrifyingly worse.
It's like, "YES, FINALLY!!! ...NO!! OH, HELL NO!!! ARRRGH!"
Why would they want players to feel that way? They have to be sadomasochists.

[Macman]

I wanna know how almost every player I inspect has a +10 weapon when I can't ever get one beyond +7. :disapprove:

[Hosaka]

With all the extra steps and items you have, you've definitely spent more than 30k. 30k per attempt to affix? Sure. However all the extras you have carry a hefty premium (+5%, Extra Fodder, ect). Who needs to do any of that when LOLRNG exists?
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i46.tinypic.com/mlijb.png[/SPOILER-BOX]
Wish that each failure rolls down your affix a level instead of removing it outright; so much relief would be had.

I recognize this Lumeria...

[Udonge]

After 40~ grinds
[SPOILER-BOX]http://puu.sh/11fZI[/SPOILER-BOX]
Was listining to this all the way though, singing along and believing in miracles x3 [SPOILER-BOX]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYk7nE2e0MQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYk7nE2e0MQ[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Dextro]

LOLRNG.
Why waste your time carefully planning out affixes only to end up like this:
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f205/randomffxi2/pso20120813_173159_003-1.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]
When shit like this works:
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f205/randomffxi2/pso20120902_211849_002-1.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[iTz PooKiie xx]

LOLRNG.
Why waste your time carefully planning out affixes only to end up like this:
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f205/randomffxi2/pso20120813_173159_003-1.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]
When shit like this works:
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f205/randomffxi2/pso20120902_211849_002-1.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]
Lol I don't understand why you hide your meseta xD

[gigawuts]

power IV

on a zachs of all things

but why :(

[Dextro]

Lol I don't understand why you hide your meseta xD
I dunno, it's just a habit >_> Even though i posted a screenshot in another thread this week where i forgot to hide it.

@giga: I needed a weapon for my lv7 HU ^^

[Heat Haze]

Failed an 80% affix.. 3 times in a row. Would probably be 4 or 5 times but I just gave up.

20% chance of failure, and it occurred 3 times consecutively. .8% chance of that happening.

All of my why.

[Mokyu]

2 Mil later...

1 Calvaria Thor leg unit with Mizer Soul Shoot III

dandy...

[ZcRaider]

*PoOOF! Appears*

FWAHAHAHH I LAUGH AT YOU ALL!! MWAHAHAH.

+10 on everything. Moderate effort. Legit.

Answer?

Waste a month or 2 making a PURE ABILITY MAG. Helps soften out the lows on this RNG when regards to Grinding and damage numbers. Take it or leave it. Debate or agree, it does not matter to thee.

*Disappears*

[Skyly HUmar]

Eeeeh, i doubt the ability (dex) thing is true for grinding and souls, im at the cap and i still have the same $hitty luck at grinding that I had when i got my first rare.

I mean, literally i can grind for 2 mil (this takes 2 or 3 days for me) and blow 1.5 of it in under 5 minutes trying to get 1 wep with just an attack soul and to +8.

[iTz PooKiie xx]

Eeeeh, i doubt the ability (dex) thing is true for grinding and souls
Only a fool believes in this so you are safe buddy. (if that guy truelly believes that ofc).

[Zyrusticae]

HAI GUYZ

GUESS WHAT TIME IT IS?

...THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S GRIND TIME!


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2012-10-21T17:56:21 3497 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:24 3498 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+7 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:24 3499 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:27 3500 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+5 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:27 3501 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:30 3502 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+6 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:30 3503 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:33 3504 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+5 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:33 3505 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:36 3506 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+6 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:36 3507 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:39 3508 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+5 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:39 3509 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:42 3510 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+5 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:42 3511 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:45 3512 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+4 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:45 3513 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:48 3514 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+4 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:48 3515 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:51 3516 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+5 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:51 3517 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:54 3518 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+6 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:54 3519 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:56:58 3520 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+5 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:56:58 3521 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:01 3522 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+6 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:01 3523 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:04 3524 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+4 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:04 3525 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:07 3526 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+5 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:07 3527 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:10 3528 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+6 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:10 3529 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:14 3530 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+5 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:14 3531 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:17 3532 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+6 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:17 3533 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:20 3534 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+7 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:20 3535 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:23 3536 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+8 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:23 3537 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:27 3538 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+7 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:27 3539 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:30 3540 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+6 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:30 3541 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:33 3542 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+7 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:33 3543 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:36 3544 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+8 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:36 3545 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:39 3546 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+9 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:39 3547 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:42 3548 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+7 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:42 3549 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:45 3550 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+5 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:45 3551 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:48 3552 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+5 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:48 3553 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:51 3554 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+6 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:51 3555 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:54 3556 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+7 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:54 3557 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:57:57 3558 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+8 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:57:57 3559 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:58:00 3560 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+9 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:58:00 3561 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T17:58:03 3562 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 テラヌ エイヴィンド+10 attr:NONE(0)
2012-10-21T17:58:03 3563 :Consume 10172227 テラヌ グラインダー Num(2)
AHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAA!!

(I'm so going to kill myself next time I try this)

[Z-0]

Sometimes I can be lucky (not often though):

[spoiler-box]2012-10-21T00:20:32 1005 [Buy-FromUserShop] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+3 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:03 1006 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+4 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:03 1007 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:05 1008 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+3 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:05 1009 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:08 1010 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+4 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:08 1011 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:11 1012 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+5 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:11 1013 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:13 1014 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+5 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:13 1015 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:17 1016 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+6 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:17 1017 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:19 1018 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+5 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:19 1019 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:22 1020 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+4 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:22 1021 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:25 1022 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+5 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:25 1023 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:27 1024 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+6 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:27 1025 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:30 1026 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+7 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:30 1027 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:32 1028 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+8 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:32 1029 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:35 1030 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+9 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:35 1031 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T00:21:38 1032 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ディニアエッジ+10 attr:Fire(29)
2012-10-21T00:21:38 1033 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)[/spoiler-box]

My Legacy (7 star; one star less) was harder to grind though:

[spoiler-box]2012-10-21T01:18:55 1464 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+4 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:18:55 1465 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:18:58 1466 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+4 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:18:58 1467 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:04 1468 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+4 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:04 1469 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:10 1470 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:10 1471 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:13 1472 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:13 1473 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:16 1474 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+4 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:16 1475 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:18 1476 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:18 1477 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:21 1478 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:21 1479 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:33 1480 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:33 1481 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:42 1482 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:42 1483 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:44 1484 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+7 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:44 1485 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:50 1486 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+8 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:50 1487 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:19:53 1488 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+9 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:19:53 1489 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:05 1490 [Grind(failure) -3] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:05 1491 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:08 1492 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:08 1493 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:10 1494 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:10 1495 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:13 1496 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:13 1497 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:16 1498 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:16 1499 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:18 1500 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:18 1501 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:21 1502 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:21 1503 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:30 1504 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+4 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:30 1505 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:33 1506 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:33 1507 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:41 1508 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:41 1509 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:43 1510 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:43 1511 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:46 1512 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:46 1513 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:49 1514 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+7 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:49 1515 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:20:58 1516 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+8 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:20:58 1517 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:01 1518 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+7 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:01 1519 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:03 1520 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+8 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:03 1521 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:06 1522 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:06 1523 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:08 1524 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+7 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:08 1525 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:15 1526 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:15 1527 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:17 1528 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:17 1529 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:20 1530 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+4 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:20 1531 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:50 1532 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+4 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:50 1533 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:52 1534 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:52 1535 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:55 1536 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+4 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:55 1537 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:21:58 1538 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:21:58 1539 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:13 1540 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:13 1541 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:16 1542 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:16 1543 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:18 1544 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:18 1545 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:21 1546 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:21 1547 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:24 1548 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+7 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:24 1549 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:38 1550 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:38 1551 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:40 1552 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+7 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:40 1553 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:43 1554 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:43 1555 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:45 1556 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+7 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:45 1557 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:48 1558 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:48 1559 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:51 1560 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+5 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:51 1561 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:22:58 1562 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+6 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:22:58 1563 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:23:01 1564 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+7 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:23:01 1565 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:23:03 1566 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+8 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:23:03 1567 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:23:06 1568 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+9 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:23:06 1569 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-21T01:23:08 1570 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Matt ダブルセイバーレガシー+10 attr:Thunder(18)
2012-10-21T01:23:08 1571 :Consume 10537616 Matt グラインダー Num(2)[/spoiler-box]

And then when affixing my Dinian Edge with PIII and Quartz, I end up failing 80/80 going PII and Quartz, but succeeded this:

[spoiler-box]http://imageshack.us/a/img43/2951/pso20121021003946001.jpg[/spoiler-box]

I then failed 50/80 for PIII and Quartz (the 80 failed, obviously), so I forced 37/45 for it to succeed. ._.

RNG, yo.

I'm just going to start forcing low percents and see if it works.

EDIT: HAhaHAHahaHAHa, no wonder people hate this RNG System.

[spoiler-box]2012-10-22T00:39:15 2887 [Leave0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+2 attr:Fire(16)
2012-10-22T00:42:01 2890 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+2 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:01 2891 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:04 2892 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+2 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:04 2893 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:07 2894 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+2 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:07 2895 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:16 2898 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:16 2899 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:19 2900 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+2 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:19 2901 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:21 2902 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:21 2903 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:24 2904 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:24 2905 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:27 2906 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:27 2907 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:29 2908 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:29 2909 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:32 2910 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:32 2911 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:35 2912 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:35 2913 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:37 2914 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:37 2915 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:40 2916 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:40 2917 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:43 2918 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:43 2919 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:45 2920 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:45 2921 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:48 2922 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:48 2923 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:51 2924 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:51 2925 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:53 2926 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:53 2927 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:56 2928 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:56 2929 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:42:59 2930 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:42:59 2931 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:02 2932 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:02 2933 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:05 2934 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:05 2935 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:07 2936 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:07 2937 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:10 2938 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:10 2939 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:13 2940 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:13 2941 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:16 2942 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:16 2943 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:18 2944 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:18 2945 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:21 2946 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:21 2947 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:23 2948 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:23 2949 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:26 2950 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:26 2951 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:31 2952 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:31 2953 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:34 2954 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:34 2955 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:36 2956 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:36 2957 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:43:58 2958 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:43:58 2959 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:00 2960 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:00 2961 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:03 2962 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:03 2963 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:06 2964 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:06 2965 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:08 2966 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:08 2967 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:11 2968 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:11 2969 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:14 2970 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:14 2971 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:16 2972 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:16 2973 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:19 2974 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:19 2975 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:22 2976 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:22 2977 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:24 2978 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:24 2979 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:27 2980 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:27 2981 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:30 2982 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:30 2983 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:32 2984 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:32 2985 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:35 2986 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:35 2987 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:38 2988 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:38 2989 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:41 2990 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:41 2991 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:43 2992 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:43 2993 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:46 2994 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:46 2995 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:49 2996 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:49 2997 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:51 2998 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:51 2999 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:54 3000 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:54 3001 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:57 3002 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:57 3003 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:44:59 3004 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:44:59 3005 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:02 3006 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:02 3007 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:05 3008 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:05 3009 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:08 3010 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:08 3011 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:10 3012 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:10 3013 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:13 3014 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:13 3015 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:16 3016 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:16 3017 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:19 3018 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:19 3019 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:21 3020 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:21 3021 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:25 3022 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:25 3023 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:48 3024 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:48 3025 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:51 3026 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:51 3027 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:54 3028 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:54 3029 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:56 3030 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:56 3031 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:45:59 3032 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:45:59 3033 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:02 3034 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:02 3035 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:04 3036 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:04 3037 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:07 3038 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:07 3039 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:10 3040 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:10 3041 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:13 3042 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:13 3043 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:15 3044 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:15 3045 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:18 3046 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:18 3047 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:21 3048 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:21 3049 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:23 3050 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:23 3051 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:26 3052 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:26 3053 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:29 3054 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:29 3055 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:32 3056 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:32 3057 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:34 3058 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:34 3059 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:37 3060 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:37 3061 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:40 3062 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:40 3063 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:43 3064 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:43 3065 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:45 3066 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:45 3067 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:48 3068 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:48 3069 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:51 3070 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:51 3071 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:54 3072 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:54 3073 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:46:57 3074 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:46:57 3075 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:00 3076 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:00 3077 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:02 3078 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:02 3079 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:05 3080 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:05 3081 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:09 3082 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:09 3083 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:12 3084 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:12 3085 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:15 3086 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:15 3087 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:18 3088 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:18 3089 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:44 3090 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:44 3091 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:47 3092 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:47 3093 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:49 3094 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:49 3095 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:52 3096 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:52 3097 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:55 3098 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:55 3099 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:47:57 3100 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:47:57 3101 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:00 3102 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:00 3103 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:03 3104 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:03 3105 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:06 3106 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:06 3107 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:08 3108 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:08 3109 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:11 3110 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:11 3111 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:14 3112 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:14 3113 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:16 3114 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:16 3115 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:19 3116 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:19 3117 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:21 3118 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:22 3119 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:24 3120 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:24 3121 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:27 3122 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:27 3123 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:30 3124 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:30 3125 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:33 3126 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:33 3127 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:36 3128 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:36 3129 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:38 3130 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:38 3131 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:41 3132 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:41 3133 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:44 3134 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:44 3135 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:47 3136 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:47 3137 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:49 3138 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:49 3139 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:52 3140 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:52 3141 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:55 3142 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:55 3143 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:48:57 3144 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:48:57 3145 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:00 3146 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:00 3147 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:03 3148 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:03 3149 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:05 3150 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:05 3151 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:08 3152 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:08 3153 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:11 3154 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:11 3155 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:38 3156 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:38 3157 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:41 3158 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:41 3159 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:44 3160 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:44 3161 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:46 3162 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:46 3163 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:49 3164 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:49 3165 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:52 3166 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:52 3167 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:54 3168 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:54 3169 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:49:57 3170 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:49:57 3171 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:00 3172 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:00 3173 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:02 3174 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:02 3175 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:05 3176 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:05 3177 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:08 3178 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:08 3179 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:10 3180 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:10 3181 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:13 3182 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:13 3183 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:16 3184 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:16 3185 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:18 3187 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:18 3188 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:34 3193 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:34 3194 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:36 3196 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:36 3197 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:39 3199 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:39 3200 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:46 3203 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:46 3204 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:49 3206 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:49 3207 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:51 3208 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:51 3209 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:50:59 3211 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:50:59 3212 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:01 3213 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:01 3214 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:04 3215 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:04 3216 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:07 3217 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:07 3218 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:09 3219 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:09 3220 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:12 3221 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:12 3222 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:15 3223 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:15 3224 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:17 3225 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:17 3226 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:20 3227 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:20 3228 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:23 3229 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:23 3230 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:26 3231 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:26 3232 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:48 3233 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:48 3234 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:50 3235 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:50 3236 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:53 3237 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:53 3238 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:56 3239 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:56 3240 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:51:58 3241 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:51:58 3242 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:01 3243 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:01 3244 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:03 3245 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:03 3246 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:06 3247 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:06 3248 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:09 3249 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:09 3250 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:11 3251 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:11 3252 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:14 3253 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:14 3254 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:17 3255 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:17 3256 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:20 3257 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:20 3258 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:23 3259 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:23 3260 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:25 3261 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:25 3262 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:28 3263 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+3 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:28 3264 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:31 3265 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+4 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:31 3266 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:33 3267 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:33 3268 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:36 3269 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:36 3270 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:39 3271 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+5 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:39 3272 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:42 3273 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:42 3274 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:45 3275 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:45 3276 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:47 3277 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:47 3278 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:50 3279 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:50 3280 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:53 3281 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:53 3282 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:57 3283 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:57 3284 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:52:59 3285 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+6 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:52:59 3286 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:02 3287 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+7 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:53:02 3288 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:05 3289 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily ティグリドル+8 attr:Fire(32)
2012-10-22T00:53:05 3290 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:10 3291 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+1 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:53:10 3292 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:12 3293 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+2 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:53:12 3294 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:15 3295 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+2 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:53:15 3296 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:18 3297 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:53:18 3298 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:48 3299 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:53:48 3300 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:50 3301 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:53:50 3302 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:53 3303 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:53:53 3304 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:56 3305 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:53:56 3306 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:53:58 3307 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:53:58 3308 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:01 3309 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:01 3310 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:04 3311 [Grind(failure) -3] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:04 3312 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:06 3313 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:06 3314 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:09 3315 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:09 3316 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:12 3317 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:12 3318 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:15 3319 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:15 3320 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:18 3321 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:18 3322 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:20 3323 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:20 3324 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:23 3325 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:23 3326 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:26 3327 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:26 3328 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:28 3329 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:28 3330 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:31 3331 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:31 3332 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:34 3333 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:34 3334 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:37 3335 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:37 3336 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:50 3337 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:50 3338 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:53 3339 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:53 3340 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:55 3341 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:55 3342 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:54:58 3343 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:54:58 3344 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:01 3345 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:01 3346 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:03 3347 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:03 3348 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:06 3349 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:06 3350 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:09 3351 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:09 3352 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:12 3353 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:12 3354 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:14 3355 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:14 3356 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:17 3357 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:17 3358 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:20 3359 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:20 3360 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:22 3361 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+3 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:22 3362 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:25 3363 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:25 3364 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:49 3365 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:49 3366 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:52 3367 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:52 3368 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:54 3369 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+4 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:54 3370 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:55:57 3371 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:55:57 3372 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:00 3373 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:00 3374 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:02 3375 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:02 3376 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:05 3377 [Grind(failure) -0] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:05 3378 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:08 3379 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:08 3380 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:10 3381 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:10 3382 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:13 3383 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:13 3384 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:16 3385 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:16 3386 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:19 3387 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:19 3388 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:21 3389 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:21 3390 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:24 3391 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:24 3392 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:27 3393 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:27 3394 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:29 3395 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:29 3396 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:32 3397 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:32 3398 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:35 3399 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:35 3400 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:37 3401 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:37 3402 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:40 3403 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:40 3404 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:43 3405 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+7 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:43 3406 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:46 3407 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+8 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:46 3408 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:49 3409 [Grind(failure) -2] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:49 3410 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:52 3411 [Grind(failure) -1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+5 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:52 3412 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)
2012-10-22T00:56:55 3413 [Grind(success) +1] 10537616 Lily リドゥルティブ+6 attr:Fire(14)
2012-10-22T00:56:55 3414 :Consume 10537616 Lily グラインダー Num(3)[/spoiler-box]

Only went through 750 or so grinders to not +10 either weapon. :D

[Zyrusticae]

750 grinders? I don't feel quite as bad, then, but still....

[spoiler-box]

2012-10-22T18:04:39 2576 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+1 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:04:39 2577 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:04:42 2578 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+2 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:04:42 2579 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:04:47 2580 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+3 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:04:47 2581 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:04:51 2582 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+3 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:04:51 2583 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:04:54 2584 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+4 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:04:54 2585 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:04:58 2586 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+4 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:04:58 2587 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:01 2588 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:01 2589 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:05 2590 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:05 2591 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:09 2592 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:09 2593 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:12 2594 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:12 2595 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:16 2596 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:16 2597 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:19 2598 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+4 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:19 2599 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:23 2600 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+4 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:23 2601 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:26 2602 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:26 2603 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:30 2604 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:30 2605 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:33 2606 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:33 2607 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:37 2608 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:37 2609 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:40 2610 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:40 2611 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:43 2612 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:43 2613 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:46 2614 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:46 2615 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:50 2616 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:50 2617 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:53 2618 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:53 2619 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:56 2620 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:56 2621 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:05:59 2622 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:05:59 2623 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:03 2624 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:03 2625 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:06 2626 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+4 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:06 2627 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:09 2628 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:09 2629 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:13 2630 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:13 2631 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:16 2632 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:16 2633 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:19 2634 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:19 2635 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:23 2636 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:23 2637 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:26 2638 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+4 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:26 2639 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:29 2640 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:29 2641 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:32 2642 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:32 2643 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:44 2644 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:44 2645 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:47 2646 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:47 2647 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:50 2648 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:50 2649 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:54 2650 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:54 2651 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:06:57 2652 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+8 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:06:57 2653 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:07:00 2654 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:07:00 2655 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:07:03 2656 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:07:03 2657 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:07:06 2658 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+4 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:07:06 2659 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:07:09 2660 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+3 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:07:09 2661 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:07:12 2662 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+4 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:07:12 2663 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:07:18 2664 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:07:18 2665 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:07:21 2666 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:07:21 2667 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:08:29 2668 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:08:29 2669 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:08:34 2670 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:08:34 2671 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:08:42 2672 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:08:42 2673 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:08:45 2674 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:08:45 2675 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:08:48 2676 [Grind(failure) -2] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+4 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:08:48 2677 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:08:52 2678 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:08:52 2679 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:08:55 2680 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:08:55 2681 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:08:59 2682 [Grind(failure) -0] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:08:59 2683 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:02 2684 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:02 2685 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:06 2686 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:06 2687 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:09 2688 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:09 2689 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:12 2690 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:12 2691 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:15 2692 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:15 2693 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:19 2694 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:19 2695 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:22 2696 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:22 2697 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:25 2698 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:25 2699 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:28 2700 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:28 2701 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:32 2702 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:32 2703 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:09:59 2704 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:09:59 2705 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:10:03 2706 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:10:03 2707 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:10:06 2708 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:10:06 2709 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:10:09 2710 [Grind(failure) -1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+5 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:10:09 2711 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:10:12 2712 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+6 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:10:12 2713 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:10:15 2714 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+7 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:10:15 2715 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)
2012-10-22T18:10:19 2716 [Grind(success) +1] 10172227 愛座 ラムダヘキサグラフ+8 attr:Dark(30)
2012-10-22T18:10:19 2717 :Consume 10172227 愛座 グラインダー Num(2)[/spoiler-box]
Gimme a friggin' break, man! -_-

[CelestialBlade]

I can't believe it took me as long as I did to realize this really simple point, but it's evident in PSO2 and so many online games anymore--why are so many things viewed as accomplishments governed entirely by a random number generator? This isn't even about grinding, it's the nature of rare drops.

Let's say you've got your eyes on this one really cool item. It's strong, looks neat, untradeable so you know that the very few people you see with one definitely found theirs and didn't just buy it on the market. It drops on only one or two fields from one enemy, regardless of class. "That's gonna be my goal, I'm gonna find that thing and turn it into this really great endgame weapon!" you say, and you've got plans to hunt your ass off. Well, your friend just happens to be running one of the fields it drops in and...happens to find the uber-rare god-killer thing. Wasn't even hunting it, can't trade it, can only really kinda hold onto it and maybe make use of it later. You log on later and they tell you they found the thing you're looking for, and with reluctance you congratulate them but now you're pushed to hunt it even harder. "Okay, if it just randomly drops even when you're not looking for it, how hard can this be?" you say, until run after run yields nothing and you don't have a thing to show for it, while the other guy skips around merrily with his shiny rare that collects dust.

My point is, rares being entirely governed by RNG (random number generator) in no way rewards those who make it their goal to hunt things. It's nearly pointless--you can just accidentally stumble upon the thing, or you can hunt it for days and days and days on end and you could end up with *nothing* of value to show for it. There is no sense of accomplishment from that, and it just kinda hit me how much bullshit that is. Now sure, PSO2 tried to curb that in that you get weapon drops for your particular class, but for some dumb reason this doesn't extend to rares/shit you'd actually bother HUNTING FOR. I know, there is no such thing as entitlement. And all of that hunting can be rendered meaningless in a flash because it's all nothing but 1s and 0s on a computer somewhere. But why not show a little advantage to people that make hunting their goal? Why not at least give them something to show for their efforts? Why reward the person who put in no effort but render the dedicated person's time a waste?

The above scenario basically happened to me. Nothing I'm pissed at anyone about, it just exposed to me a major flaw in so many games. RNG-based systems don't let you work for anything. They don't give you any sense of accomplishment even if you do find what you were looking for. It's 100% luck, and that's bullshit.

Sorry if this has already been discussed. I'm just recovering from this hitting me like a ton of bricks today :P

[Brus]

I can't believe it took me as long as I did to realize this really simple point, but it's evident in PSO2 and so many online games anymore--why are so many things viewed as accomplishments governed entirely by a random number generator? This isn't even about grinding, it's the nature of rare drops.

Let's say you've got your eyes on this one really cool item. It's strong, looks neat, untradeable so you know that the very few people you see with one definitely found theirs and didn't just buy it on the market. It drops on only one or two fields from one enemy, regardless of class. "That's gonna be my goal, I'm gonna find that thing and turn it into this really great endgame weapon!" you say, and you've got plans to hunt your ass off. Well, your friend just happens to be running one of the fields it drops in and...happens to find the uber-rare god-killer thing. Wasn't even hunting it, can't trade it, can only really kinda hold onto it and maybe make use of it later. You log on later and they tell you they found the thing you're looking for, and with reluctance you congratulate them but now you're pushed to hunt it even harder. "Okay, if it just randomly drops even when you're not looking for it, how hard can this be?" you say, until run after run yields nothing and you don't have a thing to show for it, while the other guy skips around merrily with his shiny rare that collects dust.

My point is, rares being entirely governed by RNG (random number generator) in no way rewards those who make it their goal to hunt things. It's nearly pointless--you can just accidentally stumble upon the thing, or you can hunt it for days and days and days on end and you could end up with *nothing* of value to show for it. There is no sense of accomplishment from that, and it just kinda hit me how much bullshit that is. Now sure, PSO2 tried to curb that in that you get weapon drops for your particular class, but for some dumb reason this doesn't extend to rares/shit you'd actually bother HUNTING FOR. I know, there is no such thing as entitlement. And all of that hunting can be rendered meaningless in a flash because it's all nothing but 1s and 0s on a computer somewhere. But why not show a little advantage to people that make hunting their goal? Why not at least give them something to show for their efforts? Why reward the person who put in no effort but render the dedicated person's time a waste?

The above scenario basically happened to me. Nothing I'm pissed at anyone about, it just exposed to me a major flaw in so many games. RNG-based systems don't let you work for anything. They don't give you any sense of accomplishment even if you do find what you were looking for. It's 100% luck, and that's bullshit.

Sorry if this has already been discussed. I'm just recovering from this hitting me like a ton of bricks today :P

Not to mention the INSANELY low odds of getting a 10*. 12 SSPN Launchers in 2 weeks on Ship 10. That is such suck. I'm guessing most of the people who found it can't use it either (Actually saw one ranger with it), but that's just because I'm sad and bitter HAHA.

[CelestialBlade]

Hell, I'm fine with them being super-rare. It's the fact that it's an extremely low coefficient multiplied by a completely random chance that bothers me. I think that basically sums up my feelings in a nutshell.

[Heat Haze]

I'm fine with it being crazy rare and all, but WHY can't we trade them for other 10* weapons? I can imagine over half of the 10* weapons that have dropped aren't even being used.