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Sephirah
Aug 18, 2012, 07:56 AM
Just wondering if anyone else thinks this would be smart for SEGA to reconsider?

This is mostly just wishful thinking but most games in NA have a subscription fee of $10-$15 (if they have one at all). And I understand that PSO2 is "free" to play, but premium, is basically a subscription, and I don't know how many NA players would be willing to drop $19 a month and still not have access to every feature of the game.

I know back in the day PSOI&II had an "expensive" sub fee compared to existing games at the time, but this just seems like too much.

Fox2Tails
Aug 18, 2012, 08:04 AM
I hope they charge on the NA version but keep it free for EU players

moorebounce
Aug 18, 2012, 08:29 AM
Just wondering if anyone else thinks this would be smart for SEGA to reconsider?

This is mostly just wishful thinking but most games in NA have a subscription fee of $10-$15 (if they have one at all). And I understand that PSO2 is "free" to play, but premium, is basically a subscription, and I don't know how many NA players would be willing to drop $19 a month and still not have access to every feature of the game.

I know back in the day PSOI&II had an "expensive" sub fee compared to existing games at the time, but this just seems like too much.

The only thing that will be adjusted is NA/EU players won't be taken advantage of for not having Japanese credit cards and be price gouged anymore. We will however be charged whatever the current exchange rate is compared to the Yen.



I hope they charge on the NA version but keep it free for EU players

Wow I'm almost speechless. You would group hundreds or Thousands of people together for something a handful of people are doing. I'm black and I know bigotry when I see it.

Sephirah
Aug 18, 2012, 08:32 AM
I hope they charge on the NA version but keep it free for EU players

It's not "free" though, sure you can play free, if you don't want to trade or sell items or have extra storage, or extra characters. It's sick how people think oh free2play means I don't have to spend a dime, when they normally end up spending more.


Wow I'm almost speechless. You would group hundreds or Thousands of people together for something a handful of people are doing. I'm black and I know bigotry when I see it.

uh...What?

Sierhiet
Aug 18, 2012, 08:39 AM
Wow I'm almost speechless. You would group hundreds or Thousands of people together for something a handful of people are doing. I'm black and I know bigotry when I see it.

Cosign.

Sizustar
Aug 18, 2012, 08:39 AM
I doubt they'll change the pricing, but it's up to Sega of America.
Very few MMORPG are still charging monthly fee, as it's pretty much cash shop based now.
And it's also that way for cellphone and tablet game too.

Sierhiet
Aug 18, 2012, 08:42 AM
I've a feeling we'll see a dip in subscription price, personally.

Stormwalker
Aug 18, 2012, 08:56 AM
While I'd be willing to pay the current prices, I don't think a lot of American customers would be. I suspect the Premium service will fall somewhere into the same range as most MMO's in the US market ($14-$15/month).

I don't know how MMO's are priced in Europe, but I'd guess PSO2 will be in the same range there, as well.

Spellbinder
Aug 18, 2012, 09:10 AM
In the US, at least, I don't see a price drop in the future considering the dollar is worth less than yen, that's just asking to lose profit.

Sephirah
Aug 18, 2012, 09:15 AM
In the US, at least, I don't see a price drop in the future considering the dollar is worth less than yen, that's just asking to lose profit.

Where are you getting your facts? The US Dollar isn't as strong as it used to be, but it is not worth less than yen.

Currently:
1 US Dollar = 79.42 Yen

IzzyData
Aug 18, 2012, 09:19 AM
Where are you getting your facts? The US Dollar isn't as strong as it used to be, but it is not worth less than yen.

Currently:
1 US Dollar = 79.42 Yen

He probably means that 1 cent is worth less than 1 yen.

Spellbinder
Aug 18, 2012, 09:20 AM
He probably means that 1 cent is worth less than 1 yen.

1 cent is worth less than 1 yen.

Dollar worth less than yen.

Same thing isn't it? Or am I missing something.

Fox2Tails
Aug 18, 2012, 09:23 AM
Wow I'm almost speechless. You would group hundreds or Thousands of people together for something a handful of people are doing. I'm black and I know bigotry when I see it.

I'll stop once people learn to stop calling it the "NA server"

Sephirah
Aug 18, 2012, 09:24 AM
He probably means that 1 cent is worth less than 1 yen.

That isn't true either, 1 cent = .79 yen.

Angelo
Aug 18, 2012, 09:26 AM
1 cent is worth less than 1 yen.

Dollar worth less than yen.

Same thing isn't it? Or am I missing something.

Yes, it is the same thing.

If the currencies had equal value 1 cent = 1 yen

100 cents is currently < 100 yen.


That isn't true either, 1 cent = .79 yen.

Exactly? If 100 cents = 101 yen it would mean the dollar is stronger, but as it stands it means it only takes 79 yen to create the value of 100 pennies, meaning they are more valuable.

Sephirah
Aug 18, 2012, 09:31 AM
Yes, it is the same thing.

If the currencies had equal value 1 cent = 1 yen

100 cents is currently < 100 yen.



Exactly?

Wow are you guys really that dumb? 100 cents being less money than 100 yen does not mean the dollar is weaker, YEN IS NOT CENTS.

1 Dollar = 79.42 yen, than means that the dollar is more than 79 times the value of yen.

If they had equal value it would be 1 dollar = 1 yen.

gigawuts
Aug 18, 2012, 09:34 AM
Wow, this thread went from "they should segregate the communities and only charge for subs in the US" to "I'm black and you're a bigot" to "I'm an economics expert and this is how the economy works."

Now all we need is some Hitler up in this shit for a Godwin and we'll be square.

Oh, there it is!

erehwoN
Aug 18, 2012, 09:36 AM
Freemium is the new black it seems in the gaming world.

Lower the price maybe.
Either cost for AC itself or the cost of AC items.

Angelo
Aug 18, 2012, 09:40 AM
Wow are you guys really that dumb? 100 cents being less money than 100 yen does not mean the dollar is weaker, YEN IS NOT CENTS.

1 Dollar = 79.42 yen, than means that the dollar is more than 79 times the value of yen.

Christ... I edited my post above to make it easier to understand.

But let's make this more material...

If you want to buy one ounce of gold this is how it currently works...

To buy one ounce in USD it would cost 1,615 (161,150 cents).

To buy one ounce in JPY it would cost 128,424, which currency would you want to buy gold with?

Converted to cents that's 161,500 and 128,424

Still not convinced? The average wage in the US is anywhere from 8 dollars (800 cents) to 12 dollars (1200 cents) an hour.

In Japan it's about 800 yen to 1500 yen an hour.

Making sense yet?

Sephirah
Aug 18, 2012, 09:43 AM
Christ... I edited my post above to make it easier to understand.

But let's make this more material...

If you want to buy one ounce of gold this is how it currently works...

To buy one ounce in USD it would cost 1,615 (161,150 cents).

To buy one ounce in JPY it would cost 128,424

Converted to cents that's 161,500 and 128,424

Still not convinced? The average wage in the US is anywhere from 8 dollars (800 cents) to 12 dollars (1200 cents) an hour.

In Japan it's about 800 yen to 1500 yen an hour.

Making sense yet?

You are so dumb it's making my brain hurt...

YEN IS NOT CENTS

You think they go around everywhere just saying buying everything in pennies? They don't have any currency smaller than a yen because yen is THAT WEAK.

1 yen is their version of 1 dollar. Until 1 Yen = 1.1 Dollars, it's not stronger.


Because 1 dollar used to equal almost exactly 100 yen, I guess people just assumed it worked like cents, but that is not the case. A more accurate way to look at your statement:

Converted to cents that's 161,500 and 128,424

Would be:

Converted to cents that's 161,500 and 12,842,400

Spellbinder
Aug 18, 2012, 09:43 AM
Wow are you guys really that dumb? 100 cents being less money than 100 yen does not mean the dollar is weaker, YEN IS NOT CENTS.

1 Dollar = 79.42 yen, than means that the dollar is more than 79 times the value of yen.

You don't seem to be understanding, so I'll try to make this easier for you.

Let's say I want to go to Shinjuku tomorrow and see Avengers. (why it took so long to come out here I don't know).

In a perfect world, maybe 3 years ago or so, 1 yen = 1 cent. With me so far?

Hypothetically speaking, back in my home town in America, a late show ticket would cost $15 (1500 cents)

Coincidentally, I can get a ticket here in Japan for 1500 yen.

So in our perfect world, I could exchange my $15 (1500 cents) for 1500 yen, and get a ticket.

Recap: If the exchange rates were equal, $15 = 1500 cents => 1500 yen

HOWEVER, exchange rates have changed.

1 cent is worth roughly 0.79 yen. 1 cent is not enough to give you 1 yen.

If I exchanged my $15 now, I'd only get 1185 yen. In short, because the dollar has weakened, I can't afford the ticket in Japanese money.

Recap: The dollar has LESS VALUE when exchanged to yen, $15 = 1500 cents => 1185

Before: $15 = 1500 cents => 1500
After: $15 = 1500 cents => 1185

Angelo
Aug 18, 2012, 09:50 AM
You are so dumb it's making my brain hurt...

YEN IS NOT CENTS

You think they go around everywhere just saying buying everything in pennies? They don't have any currency smaller than a yen because yen is THAT WEAK.

1 yen is their version of 1 dollar. Until 1 Yen = 1.1 Dollars, it's not stronger.

Okay... okay...

Let's put this in even easier terms... you go to Tokyo and a Large fries from McDonald's is like 230 yen. In California they're like $2.10.

Do you really think a multi-national chain is going to make such a gigantic blunder?!

Joe Shmoe in the US is making 8 bucks an hour and Shotaru Yamada is in JP making 800 yen an hour.

Shotaru Yamada has to pay 1300 yen for a premium account. Joe Shmoe has to pay $16.34 for one.

Who's money is worth more?!

Sephirah
Aug 18, 2012, 09:50 AM
You guys are too hung up on calling yen cents, I'm not disputing that 1 yen is more than 1 cent. But YEN IS NOT CENTS, YEN is their DOLLAR, and 1 DOLLAR still equals over 79 YEN, so until the dollar drops so drastically that it takes more than 1 dollar to get 1 yen, the dollar is stronger than yen.

Zyrusticae
Aug 18, 2012, 09:51 AM
LOL, P4kman... YEN IS EQUIVALENT TO U.S. CENTS. I don't know how many people have to point this out to you 'til you get it, but you're getting it completely wrong. 1 yen is NOT equivalent to one dollar, no matter how many times you try to convince us otherwise (you won't, because 1 yen is not used like 1 dollar, ever).


On-topic:
I was under the impression they'd use a straight 1:1 conversion (1300 AC -> $13.00) and take the loss in profit in exchange for more customers, but that's probably wishful thinking on my part. It's more likely they'll do a straight yen -> dollar conversion instead, as mentioned, making the price $16, which is still pretty reasonable in my book.

Seriously, that's per month. I think you can somehow manage to save an extra $3 per month... unless you're unemployed, that is.

Angelo
Aug 18, 2012, 09:52 AM
You guys are too hung up on calling yen cents, I'm not disputing that 1 yen is more than 1 cent. But YEN IS NOT CENTS, YEN is their DOLLAR, and 1 DOLLAR still equals over 79 YEN, so until the dollar drops so drastically that it takes more than 1 dollar to get 1 yen, the dollar is stronger than yen.

It doesn't matter how you divide it, all we're saying is that Japanese currency as of right now, has more pull than the US currency.

Mexico could make a giga-peso that's worth 3 USD, it doesn't mean that their money is worth more.

Spellbinder
Aug 18, 2012, 09:55 AM
You guys are too hung up on calling yen cents, I'm not disputing that 1 yen is more than 1 cent. But YEN IS NOT CENTS, YEN is their DOLLAR, and 1 DOLLAR still equals over 79 YEN, so until the dollar drops so drastically that it takes more than 1 dollar to get 1 yen, the dollar is stronger than yen.

P4Kman, I don't know why you aren't listening. I'll say this one more time, so listen very closely.

As a person who lives in Japan...

YEN IS NOT OUR DOLLAR.

Japan simply has no need to create distinction between what Americans would call cents and dollars.

When you go to McDonalds you use 1 dollar at the dollar menu. (1 DOLLAR IS 100 CENTS)

Because we have no distinction between currencies like America we simply use 100 YEN. It's the same thing.

Lostbob117
Aug 18, 2012, 09:57 AM
19? It's most likely going to be 15$ is us for the prem package.

Ana-Chan
Aug 18, 2012, 10:00 AM
None of that economy crap matters, the dollar and yen are still weaker than the pound.
All hail the pound master race. Feel the pound supremacy.

Sephirah
Aug 18, 2012, 10:00 AM
19? It's most likely going to be 15$ is us for the prem package.

The $19 ($18.87) was taken from bumped, which is how much they list as the price for 1500 points (premium)

500 AC = 500 Yen = $6.29
1000 AC = 1000 Yen = $12.58
3000 AC = 3000 Yen = $37.75
5150 AC = 5000 Yen = $62.91
10300 AC = 10000 Yen = $125.83

And that was the whole reason for this thread originally, most games in NA are $15, if they keep their current prices, I don't think it will do very well in America.

erehwoN
Aug 18, 2012, 10:03 AM
On-topic:
I was under the impression they'd use a straight 1:1 conversion (1300 AC -> $13.00) and take the loss in profit in exchange for more customers, but that's probably wishful thinking on my part. It's more likely they'll do a straight yen -> dollar conversion instead, as mentioned, making the price $16, which is still pretty reasonable in my book.

Seriously, that's per month. I think you can somehow manage to save an extra $3 per month... unless you're unemployed, that is.
In another game the Canadian players paying with Canadian dollars were how should one put it... Screwed over.
Whilst one would assume the $15 would just convert over to erm... Well it would cost the same in both currencies.
But it totally didn't! They payed the equivalent of $18.

And then we got VAT... That oh so lovely VAT. :trout:
You'd think the companies could bake the VAT into the $15 but no, nice things isn't something we can have.


The $19 ($18.87) was taken from bumped, which is how much they list as the price for 1500 points (premium)

500 AC = 500 Yen = $6.29
1000 AC = 1000 Yen = $12.58
3000 AC = 3000 Yen = $37.75
5150 AC = 5000 Yen = $62.91
10300 AC = 10000 Yen = $125.83
Premium cost 1300 AC.
So 1500 AC would get you premium and a scratch card. Which means you have to subtract some $.

Zyrusticae
Aug 18, 2012, 10:04 AM
Seriously, you didn't even know premium set cost 1300 AC?

You never even looked at the prices on the AC menu?

Come on, man! Do some fact-checking at least!

Lostbob117
Aug 18, 2012, 10:05 AM
The $19 ($18.87) was taken from bumped, which is how much they list as the price for 1500 points (premium)

500 AC = 500 Yen = $6.29
1000 AC = 1000 Yen = $12.58
3000 AC = 3000 Yen = $37.75
5150 AC = 5000 Yen = $62.91
10300 AC = 10000 Yen = $125.83

Oh my god, okay prem for jp psu was 1000 which made us pay $12.58 but the english psu is $10. Those aren't going to be the damn things for Arks Cash it's going to be something like this.

500AC = $5
1000AC = $10
3000AC = $30
5150AC = $50
10300AC = $100

Sephirah
Aug 18, 2012, 10:06 AM
Premium cost 1300 AC.
So 1500 AC would get you premium and a scratch card. Which means you have to subtract some $.

True, but by making it 1300 points they are forcing you to pay for 1500. I can get scratch cards with FUN. You can say it' cheaper all you want but the end result is the same.

erehwoN
Aug 18, 2012, 10:10 AM
True, but by making it 1300 points they are forcing you to pay for 1500. I can get scratch cards with FUN. You can say it' cheaper all you want but the end result is the same.
Yes. You can indeed get a FUN scratch card by using FUN.
However it is slightly harder to get a AC scratch card using FUN.

Zyrusticae
Aug 18, 2012, 10:10 AM
Doesn't matter, it eventually evens out over time. 1300*5=6500, which is like paying for 1500x4 + 500 AC.

Now, if you're just too impatient to wait 5 months to spend the rest of your AC, that's all on you, man.

IzzyData
Aug 18, 2012, 10:11 AM
500 AC = $5.00
1000 AC = $10.00
3000 AC = $30.00
5150 AC = $50.00
10300 AC = $100.00

Premium = 1300 AC = $13.00

They wont use yen conversion pricing in the NA release that's for sure. Or better yet they make it even more Americanized.

5 AC = $5.00
10 AC = $10.00
30 AC = $30.00
51 AC = $50.00
103 AC = $100.00

Premium = 13 AC = $13.00

moorebounce
Aug 18, 2012, 02:35 PM
The only way they'll lower the price for the NA/EU server is if they lower the price on the Japanese server. We'll be charged according to what the exchange rate for the Yen is for what currency your country uses.



I'll stop once people learn to stop calling it the "NA server"

I guess you won't be stopping any time soon lol

NightfallG
Aug 18, 2012, 04:02 PM
$15 is the industry standard for subs for things like WoW, EVE etc. If SEGA NA treated PSO2 like a AAA free title with a premium package, it's very likely they'd go with the same price. Any more is industry suicide and any less might put them in loss leader status.

Xaeris
Aug 18, 2012, 04:14 PM
I expect that they'll keep the F2P model. If they've done any research at all, they know that it's a lucrative financial model in the NA market (dunno about EU, but I don't imagine they're much different). There's no way they missed SWTOR going F2P, for instance.

I also expect that they'll make some changes to pricing. Ideally, they might even make some aspects of the cash shop more appealing to NA sensibilities. For example, they might introduce more certainty to the gacha, or soften the grinding failure penalty (like what was done in Tera). I doubt they'll put that much thought into it though. I'd just expect cheaper prices for premium set and more expensive prices for the improved gacha.

gigawuts
Aug 18, 2012, 04:17 PM
500 AC = $5.00
1000 AC = $10.00
3000 AC = $30.00
5150 AC = $50.00
10300 AC = $100.00

Premium = 1300 AC = $13.00

They wont use yen conversion pricing in the NA release that's for sure. Or better yet they make it even more Americanized.

5 AC = $5.00
10 AC = $10.00
30 AC = $30.00
51 AC = $50.00
103 AC = $100.00

Premium = 13 AC = $13.00

I fully expect either this or the MS point style 20% reduction, with 5 bucks turning into 400 MS points for some arbitrary nonsensical reason. People don't simply forget what the points are worth, so they can't say it's because people want to buy things with smaller numbers.