Stat / Output reduction bug needs help reporting

[dablacksephiroth]

Hello, I'd like to make more widely known a bug that may and seems to have slipped under most's radar.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQcULmsLj8o

Before or as you look, please understand what you are about to view:

This is a bug that takes place when your character receives a buff of offense (or defense if it all follows the same pattern and I ever feel up to testing) and upon changing/equipping a different item that makes the character flash for a load time, you will note that you are now penalized with a reduction in your stats and offensive/defensive output(respective).

Many will view but not watch the entire, as expected, but I would like to clear some assumptions before they pop up.

1.) Costumes(lol) currently do not have stat enhancement features.
2.) This is not Female only.
3.) This does not only happen with costumes, when you reach 3:33 in the video you will see it does the exact same effects as changing costumes when I switch WEAPONS instead.
4.) This is not Newman or Fleshy only.
5.) As it all seems percentage based, this reduction in output might seem minor now with our small stat pool. Do not assume this is or will stay minor.
6.) This is not Force only.

--------------------------------Quick Notes--------------------------------------------
* If you use a drink boost and do the above, your normal stats will only return when you either abandon the mission to manually cancel the drink's boost effect or until the drink's duration automatically wears over time.
* If you do not use a drink, but use a Technique, your stats may return on a re-cast. Your stats WILL return if you abandon mission, exit campship, or consume a drink.
* Once penalized, a re-cast of the Buff Technique will restore your stats to normal, but your output will still be slightly less than what your maximum is supposed to be.


I don't want to be long-winded, so I wish to end here with my request and main purpose for the thread.

If you're out there and get to read this, view the video, and have the capability to assist with reporting the bug to our Japanese dev team before this stretches any further... OR can offer a statement in Japanese relative to this bug to copy/paste and a link for me, and/or many others looking to see this taken care of, to where specifically to write said report... I... WEEEEE would be uber thankful!

'til then.. I will glady offer any answers to questions about this that I may have discovered.

I earned this 300 resta with a 5* and I want it to stay that way when I decide to switch to and from Talis!

Thank you all very much for your time~

[iTz PooKiie xx]

Ah Didn't know about the clothes one since I don't carry more than one set.

[shadowspike3]

when clothes/weapon switching, did you figure out anyway to restore your original 300 resta? Or, was it all downhill? Also, have you tried attacking something a few times getting an average and weapon/clothes switching 10+ times then attacking same type monster and comparing averages? I'm curious to know if it affects offensive tech or even ranged and striking attacks for that matter. Once more question; I saw the whole video but i cant remember if you did a resta sans shifta to see if the change was nerfing shifta or your t-attack

[Omega-z]

I think many know about it. And the defensive buff's do the same thing. Didn't know about the clothes thing but did know about weapons and armors dropping the stat's. So it seems if anything that you switch that can be equip. drop's the stat's. You should try your Mag out to see if it does it too. But yeah the closer your to 1K in any stat you notice the drop. Yeah I could see it being bigger later and far worse.

That too I've heard that the Active Skill's don't reflect correctly either, maybe the same bug?

[jooozek]

It would be nice if someone could also report the Cetus-Proi photon blast, it seems to sometimes activate infinite PP...

[Mystil]

I fail at reading.

Well only happens when you're buffed.

For a sec there, I thought it happened no matter what.

[Ana-Chan]

AFAIK it is known be SEGA. I think their advice was to just let your buf run out and when you re-cast it, it will be right for that weapon.

[eharima]

is this techs only? resta only? still happen with offensive tech? all weapons?

[dablacksephiroth]

when clothes/weapon switching, did you figure out anyway to restore your original 300 resta? Or, was it all downhill? Also, have you tried attacking something a few times getting an average and weapon/clothes switching 10+ times then attacking same type monster and comparing averages? I'm curious to know if it affects offensive tech or even ranged and striking attacks for that matter. Once more question; I saw the whole video but i cant remember if you did a resta sans shifta to see if the change was nerfing shifta or your t-attack Ah yes, I'll edit this in the original post. The change is not permanent. Please see original post, now, sorry. ;D


It would be nice if someone could also report the Cetus-Proi photon blast, it seems to sometimes activate infinite PP... Nuuuu! But it's sooo fun! lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpGoKgxMLU
Granted... it's been a WHILE now since I've had this happen again. Only had it twice in my time.


I fail at reading.

Well only happens when you're buffed.

For a sec there, I thought it happened no matter what. Shoot! Heh, guess ya saw right between them lines I was tryin' to hide. lmao. See.. if I had mentioned it was only from buffs right away, less eyes would pay no mind. <3


is this techs only? resta only? still happen with offensive tech? all weapons? Not tech only. Not resta only. In the video I only demonstrated Resta because Resta is a static output. It always stays the same according to your current T-Atk. But yes, since your stats drop, all offensive stats (if using any type of Shifta), this affects Striking damage, Ranged damage, and Offensive Tech damage. Also as one person said above, I did notice, as you're closer to 1k in stat, that's when the player starts to see this happening. So I stated "After level 35" for the other classes.

[Omega-z]

Actually Sega's advice is not very good since your locked for 30 mins if you use the EX drinks. It would be one thing if it was just Shifta and Deband but it's not, It goes for all buff's and some last a lot longer then 1 minute. This need's to be "Fix", Oh clothes being a equitable is most likely from the idea that clothes and part's had stat's on them during Alpha 1st.

[Ana-Chan]

Actually Sega's advice is not very good since your locked for 30 mins if you use the EX drinks. It would be one thing if it was just Shifta and Deband but it's not, It goes for all buff's and some last a lot longer then 1 minute. This need's to be "Fix", Oh clothes being a equitable is most likely from the idea that clothes and part's had stat's on them during Alpha 1st.

Well, that advice is a work around. Work arounds never feel like good advice at all. Until it is fixed then there is not going to be a good solution to it. But anyway, there were stat bugs in PSO as well, it adds to the authenticity.

[dablacksephiroth]

Well, that advice is a work around. Work arounds never feel like good advice at all. Until it is fixed then there is not going to be a good solution to it. But anyway, there were stat bugs in PSO as well, it adds to the authenticity.

Wow, what?! This issue's as old as PSO1? Where'd it start? DC? GC? Ep3? PC? Tell me this skipped PSU, cus all I remember as Force there were some static numbers too. Didn't really try to pay much mind unless an Acrotecher came in. <3

Shoot, and I guess I'm glad I was too dumb and lost in my own little world back in those days to ever notice or feel need to focus on my damage. To say there were only 4 and then 8 maps, lmao.. there was enough content still to keep my mind swindled from errors...... ....unlike, now... *cough*

Oh well.. Free Online games have a routine to follow, can't do nothin' 'bout it but pull my hair and wait another month for the next update, usually an incredibly tiny fraction, meant to hold us all over for another month. >_> (Or play something else. lol *sigh*)

[Ana-Chan]

Not this particular issue, or at least I didn't see this particular issue. (But I never normally checked stats after changing equipment).

The major one that I knew of was on Ep 1&2 (not sure about BB) that if you equipped stuff and hit your class maximum in a stat and then unequipped something that lowered the maxed stat, your resulting stats would be different to if you just equipped everything except the equipment that you unequipped.

There was also that other funny one where if you equipped enough units and stuff to be able to equip a weapon, then unequip those units so you drop below the minimum stat, the weapon didn't unequip. But PSO was full of these little gems.

[dablacksephiroth]

Not this particular issue, or at least I didn't see this particular issue. (But I never normally checked stats after changing equipment).

The major one that I knew of was on Ep 1&2 (not sure about BB) that if you equipped stuff and hit your class maximum in a stat and then unequipped something that lowered the maxed stat, your resulting stats would be different to if you just equipped everything except the equipment that you unequipped.

There was also that other funny one where if you equipped enough units and stuff to be able to equip a weapon, then unequip those units so you drop below the minimum stat, the weapon didn't unequip. But PSO was full of these little gems.LOL! That 2nd one, I definitely remember. I used to abuse it when I could. Just to make sure I could equip a 4-slot armor, I would save, early in level. I couldn't be without my God/Speed. lol or.. whatever one boosted attack speed.

[dablacksephiroth]

Anywho, thanks all for your acknowledgement.

Looks like for now I'll only switch clothes/weapons just before taking a new drink, instead.

Cramps my preferred play-style. But it is what it is.

[TaigaUC]

I guess this explains why my characters seem to randomly underperform, as I tend to switch weapons and costumes fairly often. I didn't expect it to be a bug as silly as this.

Thanks for bringing this information to light.

[funkyskunk]

Are we safe to take a deband drink and switch weapons? Likewise a shifta drink and switch armor is ok?

[dablacksephiroth]

Are we safe to take a deband drink and switch weapons? Likewise a shifta drink and switch armor is ok?
Whoa, sorry! I've still not felt like giving any more Meseta into it yet lmao BUT according to others' experiments and word of mouth, yes.. Your Defense will take a hit from the clothes/weapons item switching if you used a Defensive buff.

What I'll need to find out is where the minimum amount of Defense is to actually see the reduction. Like with Offensive stats, I know if you're 900 and above, you WILL see it.

Also, the drinks act as buffs, so even without Shifta the Technique or Deband the Technique casted on you, if you use JUST a Drink and you're at or above the minimum stat number where this begins to show, you will see a reduction should you change outfits or weapons.

Thank goodness this only applies when you get buffed. My char has some 1k stats without buffs. I'd be pretty angry if day by day I'd lose some stats due to this faulty mechanic.

[Omega-z]

Had a weird effect happened last night.

Edit: Think I'm off on this from an earlier version of this post And think it's a new bug to the stat system.......since the first time I had this was very late last night now it's looking like a bigger bug. .....I'm retesting to make sure.... I'll be back..lol

Edit2: Ok figure'd it out it's much worst then I thought the Bug really suck's big time. First off the Deband and shifta or any normal drink's will effect any gear you have on and drop with any switching of anything. 2nd now, there's a bug to the EX drink's as well. They now have a huge drop(it's adding a gear switch drop) as well when you switch area's, or simply going form your camp ship to the battle field 1,2,3 and boss. Now you can recover some of it back(you use normal Deband with out switching) but it's still reduced. And if your buff with the EX going to another area you get a another reduction when you switch area's and then you have to wait the time out to recover that little bit again. Oh that too it broke my R-Def stat it's lower then my T-Def stat and they are the same normally.

Now some tips, You can switch but only in between Normal Buff's it will help keep better stat's. Never buff before going into a new area, since the buff will be better. It will be the difference of 60 - 140 compare to 150 - 250 stat reduction. And my stat are just under 800 - 900.