How did a cloudcoocolander like Huey get to be an elite arkz?

[ShinMaruku]

That guy is the man but he's nutty.

[Kondibon]

I always kinda got the impression that he's genuinely competent and just happens to act like a ham most of the time. I was going to bring up Claris, or whatever her name is, also being one but I remember someone saying there are special circumstances for her to be a member.

[yoshiblue]

Crouching moron, hidden badass? Sounds about right.

[Kondibon]

Crouching moron, hidden badass? Sounds about right.

I was going to link to that trope page outright but then I was like "Why would I do that to someone?"

[Zyrusticae]

Huey is in there because he's genuinely a badass. He's supposedly one of the strongest there is, so his behavior has pretty much nothing to do with why he's in there.

Same thing with Clarice, really. She's just in there because she's obscenely powerful. Something to do with her being the only one who can handle the rod she's using (which essentially means that she currently has the highest base T-Atk in all of the ARKS). Also, she's got balls of steel to refer to everyone by 貴様 ("OI, KISAMA!")...

[Enforcer MKV]

I imagine he's a screwball until the chips hit the grinder, at which point he gets serious.

Typical anime move, right?

[Renvalt]

Yeah, well, he has the gall to kick Regias out of the Arks Tourney. I mean, what the hell - doesn't that guy get a say in all this? Especially since Huey ran Claris as the OTHER champion during that whole thing (goes to show those two make one hell of a couple, along with Sara).

[Kondibon]

I imagine he's a screwball until the chips hit the grinder, at which point he gets serious.

Typical anime move, right?

I'd much rather see him be a badass while still acting like a goof. That'd be priceless. It's one thing to act like a ham, it's an entirely different thing to act like a ham and BACK IT UP!

[gigawuts]

Crouching moron, hidden badass? Sounds about right.

This is my impression.

Dude's a badass, he just doesn't act serious unless it's important. He's the funny guy of the group.

[Enforcer MKV]

I'd much rather see him be a badass while still acting like a goof. That'd be priceless. It's one thing to act like a ham, it's an entirely different thing to act like a ham and BACK IT UP!

a la drunken fist...actually, yeah, that'd be fun to see.

[Crysteon]

The only thing I find annoying about Huey is his voice actor, since I hate his tone with a passion (also....he's fucking everywhere). Outside of that, I'm pretty much indifferent about his existence or non-existence.

[Kondibon]

The only thing I find annoying about Huey is his voice actor, since I hate his tone with a passion (also....he's fucking everywhere). Outside of that, I'm pretty much indifferent about his existence or non-existence.

His voice is what pulls it all together though. D:

[Darki]

Ugh, Claris... I seriously hate that tsundere mood that japanese and other weeabos seem to love. I'd just kick her mouth in so she'd just shut the fuck up.

[Blackheart521]

The only thing I find annoying about Huey is his voice actor, since I hate his tone with a passion (also....he's fucking everywhere). Outside of that, I'm pretty much indifferent about his existence or non-existence.

Hans' voice is worse... especially that laugh he makes whenever you complete a client order for him.

[Kondibon]

Ugh, Claris... I seriously hate that tsundere mood that japanese and other weeabos seem to love. I'd just kick her mouth in so she'd just shut the fuck up.

She's not tsundere at all. XD More like uncontrollably violent and egotystical. Echo would more readily fit the Tsundere archtype (she even has blonde twintails... )

[NoiseHERO]

That is the way of the shounen protagonist.

[jooozek]

if anything
claris sounds like
shes pants on head retarded
teen in heat

[Cyron Tanryoku]

yeah, she isn't really tsundere

Shes just a brat
Also reminds me of Jessie from Pokemon

[Xaeris]

Personally, I love Huey's voice. I don't understand a word he's saying and I can't pick up on the cadence or other quirks of speech necessary to determine the quality of voice acting, but what I can discern is that he's a total ham, and I love it.

[Kondibon]

Personally, I love Huey's voice. I don't understand a word he's saying and I can't pick up on the cadence or other quirks of speech necessary to determine the quality of voice acting, but what I can discern is that he's a total ham, and I love it.

That's what I love about him and Lisa. Their voice actors went all out and it's amusing as hell.

[Sizustar]

Personally, I love Huey's voice. I don't understand a word he's saying and I can't pick up on the cadence or other quirks of speech necessary to determine the quality of voice acting, but what I can discern is that he's a total ham, and I love it.

He's a self proclaimed HERO OF JUSTICE!!

[Renvalt]

Ugh, Claris... I seriously hate that tsundere mood that japanese and other weeabos seem to love. I'd just kick her mouth in so she'd just shut the fuck up.

Actually, you're looking for Sara, the grey-haired bitch. She starts getting more prominently Shana-esque after Chapter 8 (and also shows up a bit more).

Although I enjoy Maria for the sole reason that she puts the Shana clone in her place. Regias can't do that.

Claris, on the other hand, is the arrogant Mahou Shoujo - the kind you simply wish would stuff it. Her voice actor however voices the cutest and craziest lolis from around the world. In fact, she's the voice of Iris from Pokemon (in Japan, that is), and Couverte Pastillage (from my favorite anime Dog Days). I just didn't expect to see her voicing a character I'd end up hating... ^^;

[Zyrusticae]

Clarice Claes hate makes me sad.

Although I'm probably the biggest fan of hers on PSO-W, so this is no surprise.

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[Sizustar]

Clarice Claes hate makes me sad.

Although I'm probably the biggest fan of hers on PSO-W, so this is no surprise.

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I think she's fine, like Huey, Don't really "hate" any NPC, except maybe Hans, when ever you complete one of his CO, his face pop up, breaking my Just attack wwww

[Kondibon]

Clarice Claes hate makes me sad.

Although I'm probably the biggest fan of hers on PSO-W, so this is no surprise.

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I actually like her the same way I like Lisa, that is, I'd hate to meet someone like her in real life but as a character she makes me grin.

EDIT: Also fuckin' saved.

[Renvalt]

Clarice Claes hate makes me sad.

Although I'm probably the biggest fan of hers on PSO-W, so this is no surprise.

My hate for her happens to be justified. It's the same reason I hate Sara, and by association of both, every Shana clone in existence.

I hate them because they apparently get away with being a jerk and hitting their protagonist pairing because, y'know, apparently that's cool in Japan, the land of Female Supremacy (In Anime Only, that is).

I mean, hell, you wouldn't see women getting away with this BS in real life now, would you?

There are exceptions, but of course I've dedicated my life to becoming the True Anti-Shana. Any woman who hits a man without good reason and proper proof to back it up risks getting labeled "Shana-clone". And any Shana-clone will be blacklisted by me. No questions asked, no appeal, no friggin Miranda Rights.

[Zyrusticae]

Okay, that's fair. Double standards suck and should be pointed out for what they are whenever possible.

Still doesn't affect my love of Clarice any, as she's obviously designed to be grating and I love her for it (and also because she's bloody adorable).

[Darki]

Your definition of adorable seems pretty twisted for my standards. She's kinde tha opposite of adorable. Hell, Falz Elder sounds more adorable with his low-pitched "uguus" than her...


My hate for her happens to be justified. It's the same reason I hate Sara, and by association of both, every Shana clone in existence.

I hate them because they apparently get away with being a jerk and hitting their protagonist pairing because, y'know, apparently that's cool in Japan, the land of Female Supremacy (In Anime Only, that is).

I mean, hell, you wouldn't see women getting away with this BS in real life now, would you?

There are exceptions, but of course I've dedicated my life to becoming the True Anti-Shana. Any woman who hits a man without good reason and proper proof to back it up risks getting labeled "Shana-clone". And any Shana-clone will be blacklisted by me. No questions asked, no appeal, no friggin Miranda Rights.

I just hate that stereotype of people. I don't know why japanese media has that thing about having to make these typical characters in pretty much every fucking media. If it depended on me she'd die abandoned in the Ruins after I kick her face out of the ship, so she shuts the fuck up or learns some manners.

[yoshiblue]

Should there be a thread consisting of all the tropes every character falls under?

[Sizustar]

^

I just hate that stereotype of people. I don't know why japanese media has that thing about having to make these typical characters in pretty much every fucking media. If it depended on me she'd die abandoned in the Ruins after I kick her face out of the ship, so she shuts the fuck up or learns some manners.

Welcome to popular media, where stereotype is used for character, so viewer don't have to be subjected to hourlong background to "know" what kind of character this is.

[Kondibon]

I hate them because they apparently get away with being a jerk and hitting their protagonist pairing because, y'know, apparently that's cool in Japan, the land of Female Supremacy (In Anime Only, that is).

I don't know much about Sara, but Claris I haven't seen show affection for anyone misdirected or otherwise. like I said she's an egotystal power maniac, if I ever met someone like Claris in real life I wouldn't associate with them, let alone put up with them. That doesn't mean I don't find her to be an amusing character. Why do you think I made the distinction?

And no offense but stop throwing "shana-clone" around. I've seen plenty of cases of Tsundere being done wrong but like we said Claris isn't tsundere at all.


Your definition of adorable seems pretty twisted for my standards. She's kinde tha opposite of adorable. Hell, Falz Elder sounds more adorable with his low-pitched "uguus" than her...



I just hate that stereotype of people. I don't know why japanese media has that thing about having to make these typical characters in pretty much every fucking media. If it depended on me she'd die abandoned in the Ruins after I kick her face out of the ship, so she shuts the fuck up or learns some manners.I don't understand this murderous loathing of fictional characters that's been going around lately and I don't feel it's any more healthy than that bizarre lust. If you think Japan is the only place with character tropes though then you're mistaken. :I

[Reiketsu]

Hans, when ever you complete one of his CO, his face pop up, breaking my Just attack wwww

Seriously, that's something they should fix...
It's especially annoying that he not only talks to you when you've completed one of his COs, but even shows his ugly mug when you've completed half of it X_X
Why the hell is he doing that? Seriously, he's the only NPC doing that and it really is annoying when it happens in the midst of battle >_>"

[Darki]

Welcome to popular media, where stereotype is used for character, so viewer don't have to be subjected to hourlong background to "know" what kind of character this is.

Uh, thanks?

I suspect you missed the point. What I don't get is that the most typical stereotypes are usually the most retarded or annoying ones.

Also, why would encasing a character into a stereotipe would reduce the time needed to know the background of a character? That's not really an excuse for lack of originality in creating a character's personality.

[Kondibon]

Uh, thanks?

I suspect you missed the point. What I don't get is that the most typical stereotypes are usually the most retarded or annoying ones.

Also, why would encasing a character into a stereotipe would reduce the time needed to know the background of a character? That's not really an excuse for lack of originality in creating a character's personality.

I can definitely see what you mean when you say the most annoying ones get used the most.

However I would like to say that there isn't really a such thing as being "original" just mixing and matching other things. I'm hoping for more depth, but right now I don't take any of the characters seriously anyway so...


EDIT: I should mention that I'm only getting bothered by all this cause I get tired of people going on about how they hate x character for acting a certain way early in the story and liked them later, when that was the whole point. That reaction something I see a lot. It's call character development. That said I can see why people would be jaded with how little and poorly of that happens in anime and with games like this.

[Darki]

I don't understand this murderous loathing of fictional characters that's been going around lately and I don't feel it's any more healthy than that bizarre lust. If you think Japan is the only place with character tropes though then you're mistaken. :I

Lol, I'm sitting on my computer having a coke and playing The Sims 3, is not like I live with the walls covered with pictures of Claris stabbed by kitchen cutlery and blood-stained messages of hatred. I just saw someone posting an opinion about Claris and I joined.

Also, I never said that Japan is the only place with those tropes. Did I? :I

[Kondibon]

Lol, I'm sitting on my computer having a coke and playing The Sims 3, is not like I live with the walls covered with pictures of Claris stabbed by kitchen cutlery and blood-stained messages of hatred.

I just saw someone posting an opinion about Claris and I joined.

Also, I never sais that Japan is the only place with those tropes. Did I? :ISorry. I was just being irrational. ;; Like I said, this was a reflex from something I've seen other people do and say. Sorry about that.

[Darki]

No offense taken. I was just clarifying things.

Also I understand what you said about development... But I don't believe this is the case. At least for me there's a limit of jerkiness that can be justified by a character's development, and Claris went past that limit waaay over. <_<

About the stereotypes... I don't know. Is like they all copy their ideas. Or you have the typical hateful loli that everybody tolerates for some reason (but that you'd realistically put in a trash bag and throw into the sea with a heavy stone tied to it), or you have the retarded airhead lead character that seems to have helium for brains most of the time (take Ethan for example, pretty much a clone of most main characters in famous japanese games) with the typical obsession over food that for some reason seems cute on main characters in many mangas I read.

Fortunately I like reading more things. <_<

[Kondibon]

No offense taken. I was just clarifying things.

Also I understand what you said about development... But I don't believe this is the case. At least for me there's a limit of jerkiness that can be justified by a character's development, and Claris went past that limit waaay over. <_<Claris always came off as being pretty caricatured compared to the other characters to me, I've always seen her as a sort of "I'm the best and you all suck" than anything seriously dangerous.

If anything the character I dislike it would probably be Melphonseana, but that's only because the dynamic between her and Gettemhart feels a lot more disturbing and serious than Claris's "Lol I'm the best". I'm assuming that's intentional but it feels like she exists and sticks around solely to prove how much of an asshole Gettem is to everyone and serves no other purpose.

[Zyrusticae]

I find Melfonshina (or however the fuck you choose to spell her freaky name) and Gettemhart's relationship to be one of the most intriguing parts of the game. Just why does she hang around him so much? It's never really explained, but you have to figure that something happened to make her hang around him so much. Part of me thinks that there's some kind of "battered housewife" thing going here, where her self-esteem is just so low that she clings to the only thing that gives her some semblance of purpose. The few one-on-one conversations you have with her seem to bear this out: she is completely incapable of normal social interaction, to the point where she behaves more like you would expect a machine to rather than a human being.

Also, Clarice Claes being completely, absurdly over-the-top is kind of the point. If she makes you angry for it, all the better!

And yes, I have a fucked up sense of what's "cute". After all, I play Aiza, and I think she's bloody adorable as well (though in rather different ways)...

[Caledonia]

Also I understand what you said about development... But I don't believe this is the case. At least for me there's a limit of jerkiness that can be justified by a character's development, and Claris went past that limit waaay over. <_<

I don't think we're going to get much development at all; because the story chapters and new content are so far apart, we don't get characters arcs. We have characters with strong personalities that don't change in order to provide some continuity -so the story designers have set pieces to work from. What we get is interaction rather than development.

So we get groups like ~Zeno's teacher, Zeno, Echo & protagonist ~ Dragonkin, Aki & Light ~ Maria & Sara ~ Fourier, Lillipans & Rogio ~ Theodore & Ulc ~ from which the story designers can choose another situation to put these groups in to advance the overall story -not develop the characters

The only 'development' we're likely to see is, surprisingly enough, Afin*, who's reactions change over the three times you run the first story mission and whom progresses through the clearance missions at roughly the same pace as you (and stops running from Darkers eventually) -Although I dare say his progression will halt when he's served the purpose of introducing the character (his sister) he's searching for. At that point I suppose their dynamic will be fixed as in the other groups above.

(*Although Echo makes a good case with all her 'training' COs, it hasn't yet reflected in the story)

But I think that's why Huey, Claris & etc, are so very stereotyped. You instantly know their personalities, so the story can be event-driven, rather than character driven.

(On the original topic, Yeah Huey's strong, and of the six he has the least to do so he wanders around helping "photons in distress"... loudly. I suspect if he had something to do he'd be slightly more serious)

[Xaeris]

I also got the battered housewife vibe from Shina. It always felt unsettling whenever those two showed up on screen together. If I had to guess, I'd say Shina had a poor upbringing: abused as a kid, or orphaned or something. Then one day, she and Gettemhart crossed paths and he did something unwittingly nice for her out of sheer coincidence and she attached to him for it. That's how I'd write it, based on what we've got to go on.

[Kondibon]

I don't think we're going to get much development at all; because the story chapters and new content are so far apart, we don't get characters arcs. We have characters with strong personalities that don't change in order to provide some continuity -so the story designers have set pieces to work from. What we get is interaction rather than development.

So we get groups like ~Zeno's teacher, Zeno, Echo & protagonist ~ Dragonkin, Aki & Light ~ Maria & Sara ~ Fourier, Lillipans & Rogio ~ Theodore & Ulc ~ from which the story designers can choose another situation to put these groups in to advance the overall story -not develop the characters

The only 'development' we're likely to see is, surprisingly enough, Afin*, who's reactions change over the three times you run the first story mission and whom progresses through the clearance missions at roughly the same pace as you (and stops running from Darkers eventually) -Although I dare say his progression will halt when he's served the purpose of introducing the character (his sister) he's searching for. At that point I suppose their dynamic will be fixed as in the other groups above.

(*Although Echo makes a good case with all her 'training' COs, it hasn't yet reflected in the story)

But I think that's why Huey, Claris & etc, are so very stereotyped. You instantly know their personalities, so the story can be event-driven, rather than character driven.

(On the original topic, Yeah Huey's strong, and of the six he has the least to do so he wanders around helping "photons in distress"... loudly. I suspect if he had something to do he'd be slightly more serious)I think there IS character development, it's just really slowly paced because you're right, there's a lot of different groups, it ends up spreading the stories out. I've noticed small things but it's spread really thin.

And as for Huey, there are actually a lot of seeds that seem to be set for him as well. I'm curious where all the characters are gonna go but at the same time I'm worried it won't be pulled off well. :/


I also got the battered housewife vibe from Shina. It always felt unsettling whenever those two showed up on screen together. If I had to guess, I'd say Shina had a poor upbringing: abused as a kid, or orphaned or something. Then one day, she and Gettemhart crossed paths and he did something unwittingly nice for her out of sheer coincidence and she attached to him for it. That's how I'd write it, based on what we've got to go on.


I find Melfonshina (or however the fuck you choose to spell her freaky name) and Gettemhart's relationship to be one of the most intriguing parts of the game. Just why does she hang around him so much? It's never really explained, but you have to figure that something happened to make her hang around him so much. Part of me thinks that there's some kind of "battered housewife" thing going here, where her self-esteem is just so low that she clings to the only thing that gives her some semblance of purpose. The few one-on-one conversations you have with her seem to bear this out: she is completely incapable of normal social interaction, to the point where she behaves more like you would expect a machine to rather than a human being.
I'd agree with this more if we ever actually got the chance to find out about her past. Then again I'm not that far in the matter boards so I don't know exactly what happens to her after Gettem goes all falz on us. If she's still alive then I retract what I said about her being my least favorite character. At least untill we find out what happened. If it's something silly then I'll probably just roll my eyes and move on.

EDIT: Just a bit of musing and I'm probably reading too much into it, but based on things she's said (assuming the english translation is accurate) she doesn't seem to like or even trust him, rather she seems indebted to him, like he did something for her (she goes on at one point about how she "isn't worthy" to be near him). It's more like she's being forced to stay with him or feels indebted to him so it could be something like Xaeris said.

[Yden]

Personally, I love Huey's voice. I don't understand a word he's saying and I can't pick up on the cadence or other quirks of speech necessary to determine the quality of voice acting, but what I can discern is that he's a total ham, and I love it.

He's under the impression that being cool is justice and he needs to keep spreading justice around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bzWRn5651k



Basically it seems to what would happen if a shouen manga lover ends up being stuck into a position of power to me.

[yoshiblue]

They could also be broken birds trying to hide their pain?

[Kion]

Welcome to popular media, where stereotype is used for character, so viewer don't have to be subjected to hourlong background to "know" what kind of character this is.

Pretty much. A lot of times I think writers (mostly bad writers) try to substitute actual development with character traits. So far in PSO2 all of the characters seem to be mostly somewhat interesting and likable (except for Fourier), except they're just flat. Clarisa Claes calls everyone peon and she's a powerful loli that thinks too much of herself. But that's about it. Is there any information provided about her back ground, why she thinks thinks like that, any past experiences? No, she's pretty much just a flat generic character.

[Xaeris]

Well, the thing about tropes and cliches is that they serve as shortcuts. Shortcuts often lead to shoddy results and should be avoided, but they do have legitimate uses sometimes. In this case, we have a video game where the story is peripheral to the game (i.e, you could play for thousands of hours without ever doing more than a handful of matter board nodes). In such a case, opportunities to explore characters are few and insubstantial. It'd be incredibly difficult to properly develop just even one character from scratch just from event tablet conversations, nevermind a whole a cast. Using cliches and archetypes though, the writer could just hit a few high notes and the player could instantly create a whole profile for a character based on past experiences.

Like, I've probably spent no more than five minutes in total seeing Claris Claes in action, yet I feel like I know her forward and backwards because she's classic bitchy loli. So I think when you're working in an environment that only allows for limited exposition, substituting development for traits is acceptable.

[Kondibon]

Pretty much. A lot of times I think writers (mostly bad writers) try to substitute actual development with character traits. So far in PSO2 all of the characters seem to be mostly somewhat interesting and likable (except for Fourier), except they're just flat. Clarisa Claes calls everyone peon and she's a powerful loli that thinks too much of herself. But that's about it. Is there any information provided about her back ground, why she thinks thinks like that, any past experiences? No, she's pretty much just a flat generic character.

I wouldn't say they're all flat, but that's beause, as I said before, the pacing for the story is really slow and spread out. None of the characters get enough time to really develop much. And some of them seem like they're developing then regress *coughlisamarluozacough* Of course after PSU I didn't exactly come into this expecting a masterpiece.


Well, the thing about tropes and cliches is that they serve as shortcuts. Shortcuts often lead to shoddy results and should be avoided, but they do have legitimate uses sometimes. In this case, we have a video game where the story is peripheral to the game (i.e, you could play for thousands of hours without ever doing more than a handful of matter board nodes). In such a case, opportunities to explore characters are few and insubstantial. It'd be incredibly difficult to properly develop just even one character from scratch just from event tablet conversations, nevermind a whole a cast. Using cliches and archetypes though, the writer could just hit a few high notes and the player could instantly create a whole profile for a character based on past experiences.

Like, I've probably spent no more than five minutes in total seeing Claris Claes in action, yet I feel like I know her forward and backwards because she's classic bitchy loli. So I think when you're working in an environment that only allows for limited exposition, substituting development for traits is acceptable.Short cut probably isn't the best word. They're more like tools and building blocks. You can't make much with only one or the or the other, and likewise, having too many or two few of either wouldn't be ideal.

I feel any development Claris will get will come from something that happens latter rather than something that happened before. I'm seriously expecting her to screw something up really badly.

[Rien]

Actually, you're looking for Sara, the grey-haired bitch. She starts getting more prominently Shana-esque after Chapter 8 (and also shows up a bit more).

Although I enjoy Maria for the sole reason that she puts the Shana clone in her place. Regias can't do that.

Claris, on the other hand, is the arrogant Mahou Shoujo - the kind you simply wish would stuff it. Her voice actor however voices the cutest and craziest lolis from around the world. In fact, she's the voice of Iris from Pokemon (in Japan, that is), and Couverte Pastillage (from my favorite anime Dog Days). I just didn't expect to see her voicing a character I'd end up hating... ^^;

I thought Sara was a guy.

[Punisher106]

Well I'm at 8A, currently, and I've noticed something rather unusual for a Phantasy Star game.

The story seems to revolve around you. You got some masked freak chasing you around, dragonkin and lillipans alike work with the arks because you're a part of them, etc.

Meanwhile, in PSU, you were nothing more than a third wheel. I mean, Innocent Girl was nice and all, but Charly Arl had to take away that sense of importance to the plot, and a potential love interest. You were nothing more than a pawn in that game, and it kinda irritated me. The same can be said for PSP2, as well. Hell, that PSO1 mission in Infitiy would be neat if you could say you know of this place, or something, then Rico would take in interest in you.

[ShinMaruku]

Huey can troll Claris so I guess he's ok.

[Dycize]

The fact that Sheana owes something to Gettem feels like blackmail at times, considering the extent of things she does for him.
If she survived the whole MB8 incident, which I hope, it could be interesting to see how she would act with him gone forever.

Claris strikes me as someone who has no idea of what she's doing, what with always getting lost and not knowing what "training" means. A conversation in Chapter EX has her answer the player to a question : "Where were you while we were fighting Falz?" "I was, uh... I was sleeping." Yes, she says that and seems serious. Even better, after that she starts to think that someone or something is trying to keep her away from Falz, and it annoys her greatly because she doesn't understand why. So yeah she's probably going to play an important part at some point.

But I sure love Huey, best male NPC, he's so over the top and enjoyable to listen... Particularly the tablet where he got scolded by Legias for shouting too much and starts acting crazy (well, actually crazy, not just aloof).

[gigawuts]

My hope is Gettemhult and his Stockholm Syndrome Mistress were war buddies 10 years ago, and went through some serious shit. They saved eachothers' skin multiple times, and owe eachother their lives. It took its toll on both of them. Melfelahgo;ag;uagb became very quiet, and can only relate to the only other person who went through the same shit. Gettemhult became obsessed with never being vulnerable again.

If this is the backstory they decide to go with, then Melfelhfaudsg will try to free Gettemhult from his Falzification, and after succeeding Gettemhult will see what raw power does to people - which will make him realize the kind of asshole he's become. Then he'll be an asshole for the shiny photons instead of the dark and purpley photons.

[Z-0]

Shina survives the MB8 incident. She is in 2 events in MB9 and 10. Don't know what she says, but she's definitely alive and well.

Personally I'd say Legias is the best NPC ever but that's off-topic.

[Caledonia]

From what I've read of the events, Melphonsina makes reference to something she did/did not/allowed/was in some way responsible for ten years ago, which caused Gettemhart to not trust anyone. So, she's staying by his side out of guilt until she has atoned/he is made better.

This doesn't exclude any other theories, but that's what she has said... she also says that if you think Gettemhart treats her cruelly then that's "only from your perspective" --suggesting she thinks she is not being treated unfairly/there's more to the relationship (although, yes, that could easily be a symptom of beaten wife syndrome)

[yoshiblue]

My personal fav NPC would be Ohza. I'm surprised I never got his suit even though I like it. Reminds me of the Toyoda Corolla for some reason.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e125/rallyorange/toyota_corolla_wrc.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Kondibon]

My personal fav NPC would be Ohza. I'm surprised I never got his suit even though I like it. Reminds me of the Toyoda Corolla for some reason.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e125/rallyorange/toyota_corolla_wrc.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

I'd like Oza more if all his (and Marlu's) event tablets didn't sound like wattered down versions of the debates I see on these forums. D: Even if he develops more I wouldn't be to interested though X_x He doesn't seem to have much going on in the background, like some of the more important characters do.

EDIT: Just throwing this out there, but, while people make that battered wife comparison I actually kinda see it as more like the relationship a single parent would have with an unruly child, especially after the stuff Caledonia said. A lot of Gettem's dialogue makes him come off as something of a manchild.

[Renvalt]

Y'know, I just realized something: the Six Judges know that Falz is on Naberius, and yet they spill the beans to you (not to mention Kasura actually drags you along with him in a nice tone).

Hell, Kasura says that the "Arks" have been lying to everyone that Falz could actually be defeated. The question is, who the hell started the perpetuation of that lie?

Obviously, that Shion chick is getting more and more suspicious as I try to fit the pieces together. In fact, doesn't she remind you of Ellen from PSO1's Head Branch? The girl with the Principal and Momoka (I believe her name was that)?

In fact, doesn't Matoi come off in a way as a pre-enlistment Momoka, a la Lumia from PSU? What if Shion and Matoi actually WORK for the same group, and that Shion isn't telling you the whole truth? What if Matoi's being there wasn't merely fate, but part of a much grander scheme by a brass even higher than the Arks Council for some maligned purpose?

I mean, the Council KNEW that Falz being there was dangerous - Kasura KNEW it was impossible to kill the guy, so it rules out him being the one to start the lie. Huey knows much, but since you never actually see him stopping you near the Ruins, it rules him out too.

Regias was in Themis just trying to get the situation under control (albeit arriving too late and missing the fun because Shina stole it all), and while he knows the deal, he didn't stop you either. Maria flat out confesses that there's a lie (although not in vague terms), and Sara tries several times to stop you, so it rules them out as well. Claris is too focused on kicking ass to worry about that (although she does try to stop you, which Regias warned you about), so rules her out too.

Not to mention Regias said something rather interesting as well: "I swear I've seen you before." Zeno said the same thing in Chapter 0, and he keeps bringing up that he senses nostalgia in you almost every time you meet.

Were it just Zeno, I would've said it has something to do with just nostalgia on his part, but Regias bringing it up makes me feel like you were somehow related to the incident 40 years ago and only just got thawed out of chronostasis (that, or the incident that Afin's sister partook in).

In fact, I think Shina mentioned the whole deal with something Gettemhalt had to deal with in one of her events. Makes me think something happened to Gettemhalt ten years ago along with Afin's sister, and that's what authored the change.

But yeah, Shion and Matoi are definitely in cahoots, if nothing else. It's obvious Matoi's memory was sealed, and if Shion has authority to supercede the Council, she could easily write off Matoi's genetic data in the database. I mean, Shion has the power to alter time, although she can't directly get involved (after all, the Arks might smell a rat if she did).

[Kion]

I already have the text for chapters 9 & 10, but i kind of need a video to start translating it. Also I'm pretty much done with all of the events in the side chapter, so that patch will be out in a few days. (I have to apologize for how long it took this time, there is a lot of text as there are six characters you can choose and different text saying the same thing for each one artificially inflated the time it took to translate this one).

To add to the post above, you run into Apprentice on Naberius if you choose Afin as your partner for the Arks Battle Tournament. She mentions that the next time she meets you she's going to kill you, only because Arks and Falz are enemies. But she goes back and re-phrases it to say, "Or should I say , I'm your enemy because you're our enemy". There's another blue tablet scene with Bi En, where he asks you why Arks are on a mission fight darkers. I mean honestly it's not like it's in their contract. They could just settle on a planet and fight off darkers as they needed to, but they make it a point of destroying darkers, so there's definitely something going on there.

Also there's on thing that really bothers me. Persona shows up on Naberius, Shion shows up and Matoi shows up, and there's a massive darker outbreak all at the same time when your player joins Arks. Coincidence? I think not.

Anyways. Like I said I have the text for chapters 9 & 10, but that's not enough to go on for a full translation as the character names aren't even included in the text (they're referred from another file). So with chapter 9 coming out on PC, the sooner I get a video of the new chapter, the sooner I can work on a solid translation for it.

[Renvalt]

I already have the text for chapters 9 & 10, but i kind of need a video to start translating it. Also I'm pretty much done with all of the events in the side chapter, so that patch will be out in a few days. (I have to apologize for how long it took this time, there is a lot of text as there are six characters you can choose and different text saying the same thing for each one artificially inflated the time it took to translate this one).

To add to the post above, you run into Apprentice on Naberius if you choose Afin as your partner for the Arks Battle Tournament. She mentions that the next time she meets you she's going to kill you, only because Arks and Falz are enemies. But she goes back and re-phrases it to say, "Or should I say , I'm your enemy because you're our enemy". There's another blue tablet scene with Bi En, where he asks you why Arks are on a mission fight darkers. I mean honestly it's not like it's in their contract. They could just settle on a planet and fight off darkers as they needed to, but they make it a point of destroying darkers, so there's definitely something going on there.

Also there's on thing that really bothers me. Persona shows up on Naberius, Shion shows up and Matoi shows up, and there's a massive darker outbreak all at the same time when your player joins Arks. Coincidence? I think not.

Anyways. Like I said I have the text for chapters 9 & 10, but that's not enough to go on for a full translation as the character names aren't even included in the text (they're referred from another file). So with chapter 9 coming out on PC, the sooner I get a video of the new chapter, the sooner I can work on a solid translation for it.

Ah yeah, that reminds me. Though this is a rather out-of-the-blue, senseless request, could you translate the rest of Hilda's dialogue in the tutorial? You have like one or two of her "Please continue" lines translated, but the rest is not.

Also, is it even possible to translate the tutorial pop ups that come up during the first phases of the game (for example, during the tutorial when Hilda isn't speaking, and also during those moments where you're doing something for the first time)? I think that might be useful for those who aren't really used to PSO2's mechanics - it could help out.

And one other thing: We've had Chapter EX out for a while, why was it not added to the translated roster? I have Ver. 4 in my client (or did, I dunno if it'll still be good when maint is done) and that quest was not at all translated. Not one bit.

Though I still find the hijinks between Huey and Claris to be hilariously nutty.

[Kion]

And one other thing: We've had Chapter EX out for a while, why was it not added to the translated roster? I have Ver. 4 in my client (or did, I dunno if it'll still be good when main is done) and that quest was not at all translated. Not one bit.


Hint, the answer to that is in the post you quoted ^^;
[spoiler-box]

Also I'm pretty much done with all of the events in the side chapter, so that patch will be out in a few days. (I have to apologize for how long it took this time, there is a lot of text as there are six characters you can choose and different text saying the same thing for each one artificially inflated the time it took to translate this one).
[/spoiler-box]


Ah yeah, that reminds me. Though this is a rather out-of-the-blue, senseless request, could you translate the rest of Hilda's dialogue in the tutorial? You have like one or two of her "Please continue" lines translated, but the rest is not.

Also, is it even possible to translate the tutorial pop ups that come up during the first phases of the game (for example, during the tutorial when Hilda isn't speaking, and also during those moments where you're doing something for the first time)? I think that might be useful for those who aren't really used to PSO2's mechanics - it could help out.


It's just a matter of getting around to it, The skits are about 15,000 lines of Japanese text or more. The version 4 patch is 4000 lines. The EX side chapter is another 1000 lines. The tutorials are about another 1400 lines or more. I'm just one person, so I've had my hands full just trying to keep up with the story. There are also message packs, lobby translations, client order explanations, ect. AIDA has started working on more areas of the game such as the NPC autowords. It's not like there's anything special about what we're doing so more translators to split the load would really be appreciated.

[Mio]

Hmm I like Claris, she makes me laugh.

[Renvalt]

I see. Well I'm no good when it comes to actually translating from Japanese to English, however, I can be useful in the area of proofreading and such. I've been known to humor my talents by dabbling in writing from time to time, so I'm kinda okay with that (my sentences tend to be no-nonsense, as I'm terrible at making any kind of jokes)....

I dunno if you can use someone like me though, but I thought I'd offer. It's the least I can do.

EDIT: And yeah, I was running on an empty stomach when I did that. My apologies!

[Shinamori]

I love Lisa's craziness. <3 If she was there when Gettemhart was being possessed by Falz, she'd shot the mess out of him. Speaking of which. I hate him so much. <_<

[ShinMaruku]

Huey must be like Raiden...

[Alnet]

Every time I see Huey, I can't stop laughing. That guy is a total riot. I remember in one of the event tablets he says that he's actually not that great, and when he inevitably screws up, he's going to blame it on me. And then he runs away. Priceless.

On the subject of Gettemhart and Melphonsina~
[spoiler-box]After visiting some Event Tablets and talking to Zeno, he says something to the effect of "I've lost a lot, but I always had people to rely on. I'd hate to be like that guy who didn't have that." Given Zeno's persistent dislike of Gettemhart, I thought he might have been referring to him, but it came off as curiously sympathetic. I think Zeno might dislike the guy because he looks like what he could've been if he turned to the dark side, pun unintended. It's clear that the two have some kind of history.

Talking with an injured Melphonsina (another Event Tablet) as well had her tell me that she couldn't be there for Gettemhart when he needed it most, and now she isn't worthy of kindness (in this case, helping her with her injuries). She said something about needing to be there for him until he could smile again.

So I'm thinking that something happened way back when, and whatever it was, it really messed both Zeno and Gettemhart up, and they both ended up recovering in different ways - Zeno being more of a team player, and coming out relatively positive, and Gettemhart totally losing his shit and beating to death everything that moves (and even going out of his way to seek enemies, even ones that can't be killed). As to what, I wish we would get some more information, because I'm kinda starting to get invested in this...[/spoiler-box]

[Dycize]

My favorite Huey tablet is the one whe he got scolded by Legias for being too loud and he ends up shifting between a calm voice and his crazy antics in the middle of his speech.

To add to what you said in you spoiler box...

[spoiler-box]You're actually very right on the "what could have been", in MB10, there's event tablets with Echo and Melfonsina training. Echo is training with a gunslash (like a certain MIA hunter), trying to do her best while he is away (even if she's clearly troubled). Melfonsina is training alone and doesn't want our help, and ends up thinking that if she had been strong when it all started, nothing would have happened.
It wasn't very obvious early in the story (outside of their choice of clothing color), but even Echo and Melfon have this parallel relation. Zeno reached out to others and wanted to become stronger to protect people (or someone), while Gettem only wants to fight strong people, with a particular dislike for "weaklings" like Zeno.
Echo trains more to cope with Zeno's disappearance, hoping to be strong for the day she'll see him again, and Melfon trains despite her injuries due to feeling responsible (again) for what happened to Gettem.

I don't think Zeno and Gettem had a particular event that concerned them both (or at least, not directly), but their ways of thinking are directly at odds, so they clash a lot.[/spoiler-box]

I like PSO2's story, it's full of hints at various things everywhere, and the story itself develops pretty well. The next story update can't come soon enough (though people don't have much interest for the story so it's hard to discuss it without spoiling something to someone... I like how this thread is turning out btw.)