Shifta could be bugged or broken. Please read.

[FO-RA-HUnightv]

Just a little while ago a team mate asked me to check shifta calculations. I said fair enough. I have 10 points in my techer tree for shifta let see how much i get for my bonuses. So leaving my level 60 techer as my sub class, I tested my level 55 force verse my level 35 hunter to see the differences. This is based on Shifta level 13.

So at first I geared up my hunter like normal and applied shifta in the camp ship like normal.

My stats followed~
S attack
R attack
T attack

Force 55 base stats with mag.

With tech boost 1 (3/10)
411 to 510 = 99 gain at 124.08591%
455 to 564 = 109 gain at 123.956044%
757 to 939 = 182 gain at 124.042272%

With tech boost 1 (10/10)
411 to 510 = 99 gain at 124.08591%
455 to 564 = 109 gain at 123.956044%
797 to 988 = 191 gain at 123.964868%

Hunter level 36 with 2 different mags

tech mag

406 to 503 total 97 gain at 123.891626%
372 to 461 total 89 gain at 123.924731%
574 to 712 total 138 gain at 124.041812%

Strike mag

531 to 658 total 127 gain at 123.917137%
372 to 461 total 89 gain at 123.924731%
449 to 557 total 108 gain at 124.053452%





Calculations with gear and weapon.
893 to 989 total of 96 gain at 110.75028%
497 to 585 total of 88 gain at 117.706237%
600 to 737 total of 137 gain at 122.833333%

Then tested my level 55 force as main.

1108 to 1207 total 99 gain at 108.935018%
470 to 579 total 109 gain at 123.191489%
1865 to 2047 total 182 gain at 109.758713%

The pattern that this shows is boggling. Any one want to take a crack at this.

Edit----
I just leveled up my hunter to level 36 and the new numbers come out to be :

898 to 995 = 97 gain at 110.801782%
502 to 591 = 89 gain at 117.729084%
604 to 742 = 138 gain at 122.847682%

2nd testing with a different skill tree that has more points into t attack on force level 55 confirmation that fire mastery does not effect shifta:


1108 to 1207 = 99 gain at 108.935018%
470 to 579 = 109 gain at 123.191489%
1905 to 2096 = 191 gain at 109.112595%

[Dnd]

Shifta works off base stats, and stacks with other effects before it, something along the lines of this:

base atp + mag atp * Shifta drink (1.05-1.20) * Shifta (1.180-1.438?)* photon tree modifier (1.01- 1.20?) + Slot unit affixes + total weapon atp = total overall atp

[Meji]

You're not looking at your "pure" S/R/T-ATK, are you?

[jooozek]

you are doing it wrong, just checked myself; my techer has level 1 shifta advance and the shifta i have learned is lv 12

http://i.imgur.com/dEqXZSu.png

[FO-RA-HUnightv]

just attack does not effect shifta at all. Tested. I will go throw and do bass stat calcualtion right now.

[Dnd]

just attack does not effect shifta at all. Tested. I will go throw and do bass stat calcualtion right now.

I thought it did, but it turns out im just being stupid - the only things that effect it are the level of the shifta, and any points into shifta advance. (I don't main force and been awhile since I actually used it hahaha...)

Im pretty sure, still, that the formula above hasn't got any flaws in it and should be correct :p

[FO-RA-HUnightv]

so how do we calculate this with the "power" of shifta. If it is not effected by t attack, while other skills are. why do we see this.

and it also seems that the more dex you have the less shifta works?

[Dnd]

so how do we calculate this with the "power" of shifta. If it is not effected by t attack, while other skills are. why do we see this.

and it also seems that the more dex you have the less shifta works?

the 'power' of shifta is the power of the tech /10 * any shifta advance you have..

So lv1 shifta alone would be 180/10 = 18% increase of base stats.

lv14 shifta with lv10 advance would be 194/10 (19.4%) * 1.20 = 43.28% increase of base stats.

Base stats include mag atp stats, but nothing else. Also im pretty sure dex doesnt reduce shiftas effects. I get the full effect of it when im at 487 (447 base) dex :3

[Arada]

19.4% * 1.2 = 23,28 NOT 43.28.

[SociableTyrannosaur]

Only thing bugged or broken is OPs math.



the 'power' of shifta is the power of the tech /10 * any shifta advance you have..

So lv1 shifta alone would be 180/10 = 18% increase of base stats.

lv14 shifta with lv10 advance would be 194/10 (19.4%) * 1.20 = 43.28% increase of base stats.

Base stats include mag atp stats, but nothing else. Also im pretty sure dex doesnt reduce shiftas effects. I get the full effect of it when im at 487 (447 base) dex :3

Shifta advance is +25% of the boost.

so shifta 15 with shifta advance 10 is:

19.4% * 1.25 = 24.25% so when using shifta advance with shifta 15 all base atk stats are boosted by 24.25%. no more, no less.

[gigawuts]

Since almost every other skill works as (1+percent)*(1+skill) (I say this because the only claimed exception is status effect skills, which AFAIK have not actually even been extensively tested and they've been said to work such a way since as far back as crit skills which I disproved in 30 minutes), if shifta advance does actually only increase it from 19.4% to 24.25% then I find it more likely that the skill does not modify the bonus, but the power of the tech. It would be 194*1.25.

The difference being what DnD said. Every other skill treats a 20% this or 15% with an added 100% when applying bonuses. Stance skills, JA bonus skills, mastery skills, TCAA, etc. The only exceptions are crit skills, which most likely add for the two stance skills and may or may not add for the shifta crit skill, and then SE skills, which are entirely untested as far as I'm aware and don't really warrant any testing, either.

[UnLucky]

I think it's just (percent)*(1+skill) for all skills, including S/D Advance and the Status Boosts, but for some reason not crit skills.

But the thing is, the buffs and status inflictions start at ~20%, not 120%. Damage calculations only start at "100%" because it's just a straight value based on your Atk stats. Any further multipliers would be applied on top of that "100%."

S/D Advance modify Shifta and Deband, not your base stats. So they multiply whatever stats you would have gained from the buffs by 125%. They don't multiply your base stats after S/D is applied by 125%, nor by 25% and then add back 100% of your stats again. There's no 100% addition or subtraction or anything funny going on.

Edit: Or just depends on what you consider 100%. (Atk - Def)/5 = 100% * (PA power) (1+skill) * (1+skill)
Status infliction rate = 100% * (1+skill)
Stats from Shifta/Deband = 100% * (1+skill)

[gigawuts]

Actually, I checked ingame. The skills show the 100% pre-added where appropriate. I'm used to seeing them written with the extra 100% lopped off around here, and from other games.

That explains the difference with the crit skills. They don't display as 1.01 - 1.2, they're just .01 to .2.

edit: By the way, the SE skills and buff skills are both 1.xx (or 1xx%) according to wikis (because I'm not wasting a skilltree to find out for myself ingame, but the wikis are otherwise correct based on what else I have).