Latest prepatch information

[Maenara]

(If this was posted somewhere else, I'm very sorry, I didn't see. I was really surprised to not see this posted somewhere. Also sorry if we weren't supposed to post this cause of that datamining thing..?)

New emergency trials:
[spoiler-box]
New emergency trials: Lead the lost Naura sister to her cargo (迷子のナウラをカーゴに護送せよ), Shell Flower Mop-Up (砲仙花掃討作戦), Intercept the Gel Wulffs! (ゲル・ブルフを迎撃せよ！; this is the "use the turrets to destroy them" one they were talking about), Protect the Lillipan Encampment! (リリーパ族の集落を防衛せよ！), Traverse the Junk Spot (ジャンクスポット巡り; this is another lillipan escort), Destroy the Hijacked Gunship (乗っ取られた戦闘機を破壊せよ; this one seems focused on the gunship, not a control tower), Defuse the Time Bomb (時限爆弾を解除せよー), Fisherman's Close Call (うみんちゅ危機一髪！).[/spoiler-box]


Io has a partner card. Friendship rewards are Sharp Bomber, Penetrate Arrow, Torrential Arrow, Gravity Point, Kamikaze Arrow (haven't seen this one mentioned anywhere), and Master Shoot (patch is probably going with "Shot" here so that it sounds even remotely like a name that someone would use).

Episode 2:
Chapter 2 is titled Settling Past Debts (過去の清算). Subplots are "Clearance Of The Past" and "Caliculation Of The Future" (not my typo).
An unknown chapter is titled Hitherto, Henceforth (いままでと、これから). No further information.

Braver skills:
[spoiler-box]
New skills:
Braver (internal names only, no stats yet), organized by family:
BraverDexUp1, BraverDexUp2
BraverAtpStrikeUp1
BraverAtpFirearmUp1
Rare10Braver
BraverMag (note: who knows)
BraverStep, BraverStepAdvance, BraverStepAttack, BraverJustReversal, JustReversalBonus
SnatchStep
AverageStance, AverageStanceUp1, AverageStanceCritical, AverageChargeBonus
Combat, CombatJABonus1, CombatFinish
KatanaGear
WeakStance, WeakStanceUp1, WeakStanceCritical, WeakChargeBonus
ShortTime, ShortTimeUp1, ShortTimeBonus1[/spoiler-box]

New skills for all other classes:
[spoiler-box]
Hunter: Sacrifice, MassiveHunter, S-ATK Up 3
Fighter: Adrenalin(e), CrazyHeart, CrazyBeat
Ranger: TacticsTrap (note: I think this gives you a chance to not use up a trap when you set it, if the weapon potentials are any indication), PowerBullet, BulletPPSave
Gunner: SRollUP, ShowTimeStar, SRollArts, SRollCombo
Force: FreezeKeep, PhotonFlareTactics, FreezeIgnitionUP
Techer: MainWand, PowerWand, TecherAtpStrikeUp (S-ATK Up?)[/spoiler-box]

New enemies:
[spoiler-box]
Enemies (some have probably been mentioned previously):
Darkers (birds): HummingBird (the enemies in front here; in the back is a birdbirdcrow), HummingBirdRare, BirdBirdcrowARare, BirdStacked, BirdStacked, BirdDharma
Darkers (insects)?: Cockroach, CockroachRare, Fly(?).
Oceanids (coast): MarineDog, MarineTetra, MarineFlower, MarineFlowerJr, MarineFlowerRare, MarineOrca, MarineOrcaRare.
Oceanids (seabed): AbyssChameleon, AbyssChameleonRare, AbyssDog, AbyssTetra (note: reskins!), AbyssPenguin, AbyssGidora (may or may not be named after the Godzilla monster; do note that Onmagoug in PSU was internally named Gyaos, after the villainous creatures from the Gamera movies), AbyssCrab.
Machines: BossMechaRepair(?--BossMecha is Big Vardha), MachineLittleBoss, MachineLittleBossRare, MachineWolf, MachineWolfBoost, MachineWolfShot, MechaMineCustom, MachineKick/MachineKickShot/MachineKickNear(?--these may be Gilnas parts), MachineCCanon, MachineCShield, MachineCCanonRare, MachineCShieldRare.[/spoiler-box]

Zomg, they're actually trying to make Ice tree for Force more worth it? And here I thought I was going to be the only one with Photon Flare forever.

Edit: New info, what some skills do:
[spoiler-box]
Of note:
DebandProtection gives Iron Will to deband.
OneMoreChain appears to guarantee that a chain will start a new chain.
ChainFinishStar appears to regenerate your HP/PP during a chain end (!).
MassiveHunter and Sacrifice are still inexplicable (only stats are recast and range, joy).
CrazyHeart regens PP (recall, Heart was a TP steal special in PSO).
PrettyGood is the best skill name in the game.
Several skills seem to cap out at 5 (they stop gaining stats).[/spoiler-box]

[Kitoshi]

(If this was posted somewhere else, I'm very sorry, I didn't see. I was really surprised to not see this posted somewhere. Also sorry if we weren't supposed to post this cause of that datamining thing..?)



Zomg, they're actually trying to make Ice tree for Force more worth it? And here I thought I was going to be the only one with Photon Flare forever.

I would appreciate information like this to be put in a spoilerbox, i am one of few people that don't want to know anything about Braver skills just yet.

I managed to skip over it this time cause I saw Braver in 1 of the skills and instantly hit reply, but ya, it would be appreciated.

[AgemFrostMage]

They better not bury the ice mastery 2 under more active crap, then you can't get the charged tech boosts or PP charge revival =(

[Zenobia]

Nice thx Maenera new info for the Braver Thread Discussion.

[UnLucky]

Gunners get fruit roll ups??

Photon Flare still worthless??

Techer finally to get much needed wand skill??

[Xaeris]

I'm a little worried if some classes will even be able to spread their SP well enough to make anything of these new skills.

[Maenara]

I would appreciate information like this to be put in a spoilerbox, i am one of few people that don't want to know anything about Braver skills just yet.

I managed to skip over it this time cause I saw Braver in 1 of the skills and instantly hit reply, but ya, it would be appreciated.

Okay, divided stuff up a little for you.

[ttdestroy]

Okay, divided stuff up a little for you.

You're such a number nice guy(gal?) Thanks. Really liking the sound of the Hunter skills.

[Maenara]

You're such a number nice guy(gal?) Thanks. Really liking the sound of the Hunter skills.

Girl, and you're welcome ^^

[The Walrus]

Agrajag posted the latest modifiers

HP ATP ATA TP ABL DFP EVP MST
human male 105 104 103 100 105 105 100 100
human female 104 100 103 104 106 100 100 105
newman male 95 100 102 108 104 100 105 100
newman female 94 100 102 110 104 100 100 105
cast male 107 105 104 96 107 105 100 95
cast female 106 104 105 96 107 100 105 95
dewman male 96 107 104 105 105 100 100 100
dewman female 95 106 105 105 106 100 100 100

Looks like newmans aren't going to have godawful defenses anymore...at least not what they were set as previously (like 86 or something iirc.)

[Z-0]

Newmans never had those sort of defenses.

Source: I play a newman.

[The Walrus]

Derp, meant Dewmans. My b. was originally a 95 modifier for all too.

This is why I should check what I type before posting...

[Z-0]

Dewmans look very promising now. They seem very tempting to play all classes on looking at those stats, especially since they have no "problems" in defenses now, just no specific bonus. Casts/Caseals aren't the best in either attack stat anymore, and their T-Atk lies bang in the middle.

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I kinda wanna play allclasses on a male dewman now, just because I hate all this multi-char stuff sometimes.

[Kitoshi]

Okay, divided stuff up a little for you.

Much appreciated =).

[Maenara]

Updated the main post with a bit of new info.

[spoiler-box]
Of note:
DebandProtection gives Iron Will to deband.
OneMoreChain appears to guarantee that a chain will start a new chain.
ChainFinishStar appears to regenerate your HP/PP during a chain end (!).
MassiveHunter and Sacrifice are still inexplicable (only stats are recast and range, joy).
CrazyHeart regens PP (recall, Heart was a TP steal special in PSO).
PrettyGood is the best skill name in the game.
Several skills seem to cap out at 5 (they stop gaining stats).[/spoiler-box]

[Xaeris]

One Moar Chain seems incredible, as does Chain Finish Star. But now I'm even more worried about how to spread that already thin SP. Is it too much to hope that they'll rearrange the trees a little to prune some or the bloat and make Ranger less idiotproof?

[Gardios]

DebandProtection gives Iron Will to deband.

On one hand, oh my god yes. Now I don't have to get Iron Will on my Hunter. lol
On the other hand, it kind of clashes with Deband Cut if it also has 10 levels...

One More Chain I've wanted since the beginning, yay SEGA.

[gigawuts]

Anyone else think the 5 sp thing is the most noteworthy tidbit? Because if they go back and apply that to some old skills that don't warrant the full 10 sp for what they offer, but also shouldn't be any better because that would begin to get OP, then they might be approaching tree balance. I mean, extend assist for 10 sp? Deband cut for 10 sp? Territory burst and PP Up 1 & 2 for 10 sp? All the status effect skills for 10 sp? Come on.

Hopefully it's not only for new skills.

[ReaperTheAbsol]

I really hope that skills take less points to max out as the tree expands sometime in the future.

[The Walrus]

That would be wonderful

[Vandread]

Did some more viewing of files. This is my 'guesses' on where the new skills will be placed, half guess, half know - I can't read the files in full. Spoilered just in case. (Doesn't contain Braver btw.)

[spoiler-box]Hunter:
Sacrifice is located to the right of Halfline Automate. Pre-req can be either Guard Stance Up 1 or HP Up 2.
Massive Hunter is located to the right of Flash Tech Guard, pre-req is either Flash Guard 1 or Sacrifice (since that would be above it).
S-ATK Up 3 is located to the right of Flash Guard 2, or underneath either Guard Stance Burn or Flash Guard 2. Pre-req could be either Massive Hunter, Flash Tech Guard, Guard Stance Burn or Flash Guard 2.
I'm assuming they're stretching out the Guard Stance Up line with all these new skills.

Fighter:
Adrenaline is located to the left of Brave Stance, pre-req is SATK Up 1 (or no pre-req, but that would be really odd, since it's not on the primary line while there is space for it there anyway).
Crazy Heart and Crazy Beat are found on the bottomright of the skilltree, to the right of PP Slayer, or on the next line. Pre-reqs could be either Halfline or Deadline Slayer or even PP Slayer. Heart could be the Pre-req for Beat.

Ranger:
TacticsTrap is most likely located underneath Upper Trap Custom. At the very least its on the same line as Poison Trap Custom and located on one of the 3 slots to the left of it (hence under Upper Trap Custom makes most sense).
PowerBullet is located on the same line as Mirage Shot, but to the left of it, most likely the pre-req is also R-ATK Up 2.
Bullet PP Save is located on a new line, most likely underneath Power Bullet (with that as the pre-req then).

Gunner:
I have to say I'm not really sure about this... lol.
SRollUP is located to the right of RDEF Up 2. Possible pre-reqs are Dex Up 2, or Just Reversal. The other option would be that it's an origin point and has no pre-req at all.
ShowTime Star is on a new line, and obviously has ShowTime as a pre-req.
SRollArts and SRollCombo are on this line as well, probably located to the far right. It could also be possible that SRollCombo is on another line beneath SRollArts. Either way, the pre-req line could be SRollUp for both, or SRollUp for Arts and Arts for Combo.

Force:
FreezeKeep, PhotonFlareTactics and FreezeIgnitionUp are all located on lines below Ice Mastery 2. I'm assuming though that FreezeKeep has Ice Mastery 2 as a pre-req, PhotonFlareTactics has PhotonFlareAfterburst as a pre-req and FreezeIgnitionUp has FreezeKeep as a pre-req.

Techer:
MainWand is located under Wind Mastery 2. Either it has Wind Mastery 2 or it has TATK Up 2 as its pre-req.
PowerWand and SATK Up are located on new lines. If I'd have to guess, I'd place both of them in that same area as MainWand.[/spoiler-box]

This seems to be all the new skills that EP2 is going to launch with.

[Kitoshi]

I did not feel like cropping the image, so you are going to have to deal with it more or less :P.

The gacha for the ep2 launch is my guess (cast and caseal parts!) :
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/6E3CpVQ.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[LordShade]

I did not feel like cropping the image, so you are going to have to deal with it more or less :P.

The gacha for the ep2 launch is my guess (cast and caseal parts!) :
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/6E3CpVQ.png[/SPOILER-BOX]


....it took me 6months to notice that the Arks Council all wear modified basic sets?

(well Huey's was rather obvious)

[RadiantLegend]

My HORN!!!! Regius brother we shall become as ONE.

[Syklo]

Oceanids (seabed)
YES!

And the crazy heart-beat is under pp slayer?
heartbeat

[UnLucky]

Agrajag posted the latest modifiers

　　　　　　　　　　HP ATP ATA　TP ABL DFP EVP MST
human male　　　　105 104 103 100 105 105 100 100
human female　　　104 100 103 104 106 100 100 105
newman male　　 　 95 100 102 108 104 100 105 100
newman female　 　 94 100 102 110 104 100 100 105
cast male　　　　　107 105 104　96 107 105 100　95
cast female　　　　106 104 105　96 107 100 105　95
dewman male　　　 96 107 104 105 105 100 100 100
dewman female　　 95 106 105 105 106 100 100 100

Wow, so Duman is actually a good choice for a Braver now. Good job, Sega.

[Rien]

Newman Female is a good Braver choice too considering DEX focus.

[Kondibon]

Newman Female is a good Braver choice too considering DEX focus.

I think you misread it. both Male Female Newmen have the lowest dex multipliers. x:

[Zenobia]

I think you misread it. both Male Female Newmen have the lowest dex multipliers. x:

I believe that's what Rein meant but in a own term lol. :/

[BlueCast Boy]

Wow, so Duman is actually a good choice for a Braver now. Good job, Sega.

I feel like Humans gonna get overshadowed by Dumans again by too much offense >.>

[gigawuts]

Dumans overshadowing humans? Christ, try being a cast. There is no reason whatsoever to go cast anymore unless you're really attached to that last smidgen of HP and you like the sound of clangs.

[Laga]

cast didn't get shit on stat rolls. its either even with anything else or a few steps lower.... is it possible without deleting character to change race? I don't have AC.

[Coatl]

sucks to be female human

[Chik'Tikka]

Dumans overshadowing humans? Christ, try being a cast. There is no reason whatsoever to go cast anymore unless you're really attached to that last smidgen of HP and you like the sound of clangs.

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01110010011001010110110101100001
01100011011110010010000100100001
00100000001010110101111001011111
0101111000101011




+^_^+

[gravityvx]

Dumans overshadowing humans? Christ, try being a cast. There is no reason whatsoever to go cast anymore unless you're really attached to that last smidgen of HP and you like the sound of clangs.

Casts are sexiest race in game, and that's what matters.

[Kitoshi]

Here is a crazy ass idea!


Stay with me here!



Hang on to your seats!


Why not play what you like to play simply because it's the character you like ? and not because it has 1 % higher stats then the other race.

I know that idea is way out there but ya know.

Gravityvx is a practitioner of this long forgotten art it seems! Play because it's fun!

[UnLucky]

Too bad every race looks the same, even Casts if you wear a costume.

[Kitoshi]

Too bad every race looks the same, even Casts if you wear a costume.

Playing a cast and wearing meatbag costumes....

Pffft, you aren't a real cast/caseal if you do that shit.

[Coatl]

People won't even be able to tell dewmans apart.

[Gardios]

I intend to give my Dewearl massive horns, not some puny ones that might not even be there!

...probably.


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That's fine and dandy, but for some min/maxing is fun, so yeah.

[gigawuts]

Because 1% doesn't matter, but 15% does and casts can't equip shit all for force stuff without massively gimping their tree and stats in the process.

Compare the cast weaknesses...
Female Newman tatk: 110
Cast & Caseal tatk: 96
Female Newman tdef: 105
Cast & caseal tdef: 95 (wasn't this even lower before? I swear this used to be 80)
tatk difference of 14, tdef difference of 10

Compare to the cast's strengths...
Female Newman satk: 100
Cast satk: 105
Caseal satk: 104
Female Newman sdef: 100
Cast sdef: 105
Caseal sdef: 100
Female Newman dex: 104
Cast & Caseal dex: 107
Female Newman HP: 96
Cast HP: 107
sdef difference of 5, sdef difference of 5, dex difference of 3, hp difference of 11

Female Newmans can do most things pretty well. Casts? They have to sacrifice tatk and multiplier skills just to get the bare minimum stats to equip things. This is where stat variances actually matter. Why the F should newearls have a 24 total point advantage in tech compared to the cast's whopping 10 total point advantage in striking? Nothing requires HP to equip, and that difference in HP when capped on a 60/60 fi/hu is an underwhelming 77 points. Yeah, sure, I've survived with less than 77 points of hp left. I've also been killed with hundreds of damage overkill way way way more often than I've limped away with <77 hp.

You know what gets me more than 77 points of hp, though? Snow banther units, which a male cast cannot even equip with base stats on a 60/60 fo/te. You need to pull 5 points out of either your skilltree or mag, and this is for armor that is by now rather outdated and was way more out of reach when it was new and the cap was lower. God help you if you want to use new units.

That said, if you like the look of casts (hi) the stats end up being negligible for anything but force. Even maining techer resolves that, if you can find a good allclass rod.

edit:
Casts are sexiest race in game, and that's what matters.

In the end, this is truth.

[Kitoshi]

That's fine and dandy, but for some min/maxing is fun, so yeah.

True enough.

[gravityvx]

*old man voice* Back in my day casts couldnt even use techs! Be grateful they even have them.

Seriously though, where's my cast traps.

[UnLucky]

Casts can equip Snow Kitty at 60/60 with nothin extra if they go Fo/Br, though!


Besides, the T-Def you need for PP Convert pushes you over 489 anyway.

[Ezodagrom]

Cast & caseal tdef: 95 (wasn't this even lower before? I swear this used to be 80)
Casts base T-DEF was 95 even back in the closed beta.

[gigawuts]

Casts can equip Snow Kitty at 60/60 with nothin extra if they go Fo/Br, though!


Besides, the T-Def you need for PP Convert pushes you over 489 anyway.

That's if you get PP Convert, and that's if you're subbing techer, and all of this is after the cap was raised. Back at 55/55 casts had 462 base tdef. The points required to equip snowban units back then would not mysteriously convert back into tatk when you no longer needed them, meaning stats you invest into for units back then would directly penalize you now. The difference in tdef you need will only widen as the cap increases too, so you better not max your mag's level unless you want to lock yourself out of future units. And then if you wanted to be able to equip falz units some of the time in addition to snowban units other times, like many forces did for a while? Lol.

This is compared to just naturally having higher tdef and tatk, which allows you to equip pretty much all the standard stuff as you go your merry way.


Casts base T-DEF was 95 even back in the closed beta.

Hm, I could be thinking of something else then. I was pretty sure I saw stat tables showing cast tdef at 80, but that seems like too wide of a gap.

[Kitoshi]

*old man voice* Back in my day casts couldnt even use techs! Be grateful they even have them.

Seriously though, where's my cast traps.

A billion times this!

I miss my cast traps :( I <3ed using them in pso1.

[UnLucky]

Well a Te/Hu Cast can naturally wear the Fen set! Newearls can't do that! (They can still wear Ragne though)

[gigawuts]

I, too, direly miss traps. Confusing hordes of monsters is easier now with affixes though, so it's alright.

[ShinMaruku]

Too bad every race looks the same, even Casts if you wear a costume.

Well humans made them in their own image and aside from casts they are all human. :P

[Zorafim]

So is the ice tree good yet?


*old man voice* Back in my day casts couldnt even use techs! Be grateful they even have them.

Seriously though, where's my cast traps.

And back in MY day, casts were the ONLY ones that could use techs until halfway through the game!

[UnLucky]

If maxed Freeze Keep means 11 hits before breaking, I'd say Ice is finally going to be useful. And Freeze Ignition Advance seems to increase range, but probably not by enough to matter.

[gigawuts]

If they retroactively change the other ice techs to not depend on PP revival, like nabarta won't, ice may really be on to something good. Freeze Ignition would need to spread freeze like Poison Ignition spreads poison, too, though.

[Maenara]

I have to wonder what the heck Photon Flare Tactics can do to Photon Flare. Photon Flare Tactics makes 4 different Photon Flare skills, 40 SP to max out the effectiveness of a single skill?

[Enforcer MKV]

And back in MY day, casts were the ONLY ones that could use techs until halfway through the game!

*Slow clap.*

[lostinseganet]

Here is a crazy ass idea!


Stay with me here!



Hang on to your seats!


Why not play what you like to play simply because it's the character you like ? and not because it has 1 % higher stats then the other race.

I know that idea is way out there but ya know.

Gravityvx is a practitioner of this long forgotten art it seems! Play because it's fun!With the difference only being 5 points I can see that.

[UnLucky]

With the difference only being 5 points I can see that.
You do realize that those are percentages, right?

[The Walrus]

Min/Max 4 lief

[Maenara]

You do realize that those are percentages, right?

5% extra stats means that for every 20 minutes it takes to kill a single boss, it takes 1 minute less than a class without that 5% bonus. Big whoop. And that assumes that 5% higher stats translates directly to 5% higher damage.

[The Walrus]

If anything it translates into being able to equip stuff earlier which can make a big difference

[Maenara]

A small theory, we keep seeing references to things related to Big Vardha. Sega said they want to add a 12 person EQ like Dark Falz, but we already have the Big Vardha one. The only difference being that the Big Vardha EQ is stupidly easy with 12 people, so what if they're making a new version of Vardha to use for the EQ?
The BossMechaRepair enemy might be like a Kindid that runs around Vardha and fixes broken weapons.

[gigawuts]

It's not quite that cut and dry. Breaking a part 5% faster may interrupt an attack and possibly even keeping it stumbled as you break parts consecutively. There's also early equipping and of course allowing people with bad mags or base stats to equip things, as with cast tdef/tatk.

[The Walrus]

Super Big Vardha Gundam

[Z-0]

Problem with Dewman is that it hardly has any disadvantages. There's the low HP, but "100%" def isn't really a disadvantage anymore. Casts had the highest s/r-atk combined alongside highest HP and highest DEX, but they suffered at Force, which made sense (sorta)

This doesn't happen with Dewman at all.

This is especially important if playing all classes on a Cast. Dewman can play all classes better than a cast (and both humans, but hee-ho).

I like my stats, but not 'coz I'm a tryhard elitist who likes to show off, but I just like my stats. Numberrrrrrrrrrssssssssssssssssssssssss. >:O

[The Walrus]

Horny master race Dewmans

[UnLucky]

Well 100% stats is actually a detriment for Braver. BRdewman only has 388 in each defense stat at lv60 (if the current stat table is correct), so even subbing a class with 440 in the desired stat, they still can't equip any of the 489 10* sets. Every other race can equip at least one without a specialized tree or mag.

[Z-0]

I would just do the smart thing and wear one of the wing sets or a Falz set.

[Maenara]

It's not quite that cut and dry. Breaking a part 5% faster may interrupt an attack and possibly even keeping it stumbled as you break parts consecutively. There's also early equipping and of course allowing people with bad mags or base stats to equip things, as with cast tdef/tatk.

I find that in every game with races, people will find a difference between them to complain about, even if the difference is tiny or even cosmetic.

Can that 5% make a difference? Yes, it can, but in all cases where that is true, the difference is either small, or improbable. Shifta can make as much or even more of a difference, but I don't see everyone rushing to cap Shifta Advance, Shifta Critical, and Extend Assist.

[gigawuts]

I find that in every game with races, people will find a difference between them to complain about, even if the difference is tiny or even cosmetic.

Can that 5% make a difference? Yes, it can, but in all cases where that is true, the difference is either small, or improbable. Shifta can make as much or even more of a difference, but I don't see everyone rushing to cap Shifta Advance, Shifta Critical, and Extend Assist.

Are we talking 5% damage, or 5% stats? Because that's a big difference in this game. Stats only have a marginal direct impact on damage, but I've already detailed how significant a seemingly small base stat bonus or penalty can be when the high is compared to the low, due to gear.

[Maenara]

Are we talking 5% damage, or 5% stats? Because that's a big difference in this game. Stats only have a marginal direct impact on damage, but I've already detailed how significant a seemingly small base stat bonus or penalty can be when the high is compared to the low, due to gear.

I fail to see how being able to equip higher tier weapons slightly earlier than other races makes a big difference in a non-competitive game where you have complete freedom in where you level up.
I mean really. Which of these scenarios is more likely?
"Oh, I need 2 more T-atk to equip this rod. I should go spend a couple hours doing client orders so I can hit level 47 and equip it!"
Or:
"Oh, I need 2 more T-atk to equip this rod. Fuck, I should have used a female Newman."

The only exception is max-tier weapons like PWand where some races can't actually equip it, but the level cap is going to be raised anyways.

[Alisha]

sucks to be female human

why?
/5 char

[Lumpen Thingy]

why?
/5 char

because dewmans make them trash?

[Emp]

I have no idea how being able to equip higher tier weapons slightly earlier than other races makes a big difference in a non-competitive game where you have complete freedom in where you level up.
The only exception is max-tier weapons like PWand where some races can't actually equip it, but the level cap is going to be raised anyways.

Being able to equip higher level weps at earlier level makes a big difference in fast u can progress into other difficulty modes. Tbh the game is more competitive than u think. With everybody trying to get better gear and all. Even the shops are when everyone is competing against the lowest sale.

[UnLucky]

Maxed Shifta Advance isn't even 5% of your stats, and it gives Casts less T-Atk since their base is lower. By 14%.

You can "do the smart thing" and settle for weaker armor or spend skill points that other races don't have to, but it's the difference between not being able to equip the standard 10* units versus easily equipping 11* sets. Or at lv70 the min/max races exceed 600 Def naturally, but being the wrong race gets you only 576 or 557 (Cast T-Def). That's ten full levels worth of stats!

[Chik'Tikka]

Maxed Shifta Advance isn't even 5% of your stats, and it gives Casts less T-Atk since their base is lower. By 14%.

You can "do the smart thing" and settle for weaker armor or spend skill points that other races don't have to, but it's the difference between not being able to equip the standard 10* units versus easily equipping 11* sets. Or at lv70 the min/max races exceed 600 Def naturally, but being the wrong race gets you only 576 or 557 (Cast T-Def). That's ten full levels worth of stats!

yes, now that level caps are higher, differences in races are starting to become quite apparent+^_^+ remember when HU's Fury stance got nerfed because of RA? they did that not for the lvl 50s hitting more, they wanted to balance out the level 90s+^_^+ still, aside from some cameo weps or armor, CAST techers are still as effective as any Newman techer (it comes down to how you play the class, not so much your gear)+^_^+ without pvp truly forcing min/max stat builds non of this matters as more patient players will always eventually be able to equip anything+^_^+

EDIT; Post 2000 +^_^+
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[Maenara]

Being able to equip higher level weps at earlier level makes a big difference in fast u can progress into other difficulty modes. Tbh the game is more competitive than u think. With everybody trying to get better gear and all. Even the shops are when everyone is competing against the lowest sale.

The game is competitive because you make it.

If you're so focused on efficiency, you should be capping everything anyways. Ultimately being slightly weaker in one class is made up for for being slightly stronger in another. And ultimately, one class is better than another in a situation.

If you want to be a meleer, that's all fine, but I'm sure being Force would make that Dragon Ex die much easier, even if you're 5% weaker than another race.

[gigawuts]

I fail to see how being able to equip higher tier weapons slightly earlier than other races makes a big difference in a non-competitive game where you have complete freedom in where you level up.
I mean really. Which of these scenarios is more likely?
"Oh, I need 2 more T-atk to equip this rod. I should go spend a couple hours doing client orders so I can hit level 47 and equip it!"
Or:
"Oh, I need 2 more T-atk to equip this rod. Fuck, I should have used a female Newman."

The only exception is max-tier weapons like PWand where some races can't actually equip it, but the level cap is going to be raised anyways.

2? When were snow banther 10* units new, at level 55 or 50? I don't even remember. Let's run with 55.

A cast fo/te had 462 tdef. So that's 27 points you need to pull from your mag and/or tree, directly off of damage. Earlier in the game, when those 5* units that ragne dropped with ragne soul were all the rage, a male cast needed 39 tdef to equip them. How do I know this? My mag still has that 39 tdef.

So I still have 39 tdef. I also have 20 or so dex, for when I was trying out something or other that needed dex. They also have 2 points in sdef, from when a te/fo cast was a mere 2 sdef away from equipping ragne units. That's 61 points taken directly off of tatk. The already heavily reduced, 14% lower tatk.

That reduces my equipment options considerably.

If we were talking just 5% at the very worst, okay sure. We're not, though.

[Maenara]

2? When were snow banther 10* units new, at level 55 or 50? I don't even remember. Let's run with 55.

A cast fo/te had 462 tdef. So that's 27 points you need to pull from your mag and/or tree, directly off of damage. Earlier in the game, when those 5* units that ragne dropped with ragne soul were all the rage, a male cast needed 39 tdef to equip them. How do I know this? My mag still has that 39 tdef.

So I still have 39 tdef. I also have 20 or so dex, for when I was trying out something or other that needed dex. They also have 2 points in sdef, from when a te/fo cast was a mere 2 sdef away from equipping ragne units. That's 61 points taken directly off of tatk. The already heavily reduced, 14% lower tatk.

That reduces my equipment options considerably.

If we were talking just 5% at the very worst, okay sure. We're not, though.

I used to use Snow Banther units like you, but then I found out Luxe Noir unit set's PP led to way more efficiency in everything because I didn't need to switch to lower damaging attacks to regen PP so often.

[gigawuts]

I used to use Snow Banther units like you, but then I found out Luxe Noir unit set's PP led to way more efficiency in everything because I didn't need to switch to lower damaging attacks to regen PP so often.

That's not the point and you full well know it. I'm not talking about efficiency, and trying to dodge the point so you don't have to say as much as "Yeah, I guess you have a point" isn't going to make you right.

[Maenara]

That's not the point and you full well know it. I'm not talking about efficiency, and trying to dodge the point so you don't have to say as much as "Yeah, I guess you have a point" isn't going to make you right.

You don't have a point, because while you moved on to trying to prove how that 5% makes a difference in a competitive game, I've yet to be convinced that this is a competitive game.

Unless Sega makes S rank completion in missions legitimately difficult to attain, and provides with unique completion rewards, I doubt I'll see it as one.



Maybe a female newman does get to level 60 Force/Techer somewhat faster than a male cast can, because they can equip higher-tier things before that cast can, and have an easier time leveling. But then what happens at level 60? That cast sure as hell ain't takin' til October to catch up before the level cap's raised.

Maybe that newman gets to run advance quests and extreme quests sooner, and get chances at high tier things sooner. But they don't get MORE chances. That content will always be there, and it isn't going to disappear if that newman gets it first.
The problem with you saying this is a competitive game is that, no matter what, that newman can't stop or hinder that cast's progression. By definition, no competition is occurring.

[gigawuts]

We are not talking about a mere 5%, and as it turns out people care about their options when compared to other people in more than just competitive gaming.

You're a heinously closed minded.

[UnLucky]

Higher stats means better gear and better damage.

Better damage means faster kills.

Faster kills means more EXP, MST, and drops, as well as quest and CO completion.

That means more progress in every way.

[Maenara]

We are not talking about a mere 5%, and as it turns out people care about their options when compared to other people in more than just competitive gaming.

You're a heinously closed minded.

I'm close-minded but you're the one failing to see people play for fun?
You know what I see when I play in a party with a human hunter and I play Hunter with them? I don't know, but I'm sure not getting insecure over the fact that when I do 2000 they do 2100, or even 2500.

[Gardios]

*~PSO-World~*


Well 100% stats is actually a detriment for Braver. BRdewman only has 388 in each defense stat at lv60 (if the current stat table is correct), so even subbing a class with 440 in the desired stat, they still can't equip any of the 489 10* sets. Every other race can equip at least one without a specialized tree or mag.

Isn't that good, though? Dewmen were advertised as glass cannons, which was kind of lost with the raise to 1.00 multipliers. They're still glassy for one class at least, even if it's by accident.

[Maenara]

Higher stats means better gear and better damage.

Better damage means faster kills.

Faster kills means more EXP, MST, and drops, as well as quest and CO completion.

That means more progress in every way.

After you get your perfect equipment set, and are capped in your classes, what does EXP and MST do for you other than getting you pretty outfits every update?

It doesn't matter how fast you get to a goal, or to the chances to attain a goal, because the person that comes later is going to get that goal and have those chances too.

[Chik'Tikka]

what would be neat are weapon camos based off of other weps+^_^+ like you have an awesome 11* that you can't equip, you can recycle it with like an AC only ticket to make a weaker weapon of that type look like the uber rare+^_^+ SEGAC would make moneys, and players wouldn't moan so much about not being able to use the latest and greatest+^_^+

[UnLucky]

I'm close-minded but you're the one failing to see people play for fun?
You know what I see when I play in a party with a human hunter and I play Hunter with them? I don't know, but I'm sure not getting insecure over the fact that when I do 2000 they do 2100, or even 2500.

Humans have 4% more S-Atk than Newmans. That's not what we're talking about. At all.

[gigawuts]

I'm close-minded but you're the one failing to see people play for fun?
You know what I see when I play in a party with a human hunter and I play Hunter with them? I don't know, but I'm sure not getting insecure over the fact that when I do 2000 they do 2100, or even 2500.

Right, that's not even what I'm talking about, and you know it. You are, again, changing the subject.

This is exactly what makes you closed minded.

Some people - follow me on this. It's hard to grasp, but just follow me.

Some people find it fun to play a race that is not disproportionately worse than other races. Some people want races to be balanced so they can all equip roughly the same kinds of things at roughly the same points in the game. Some people find this fun.

I'm not even going to bother trying to explain anything else, I don't even need to. You're telling me I can't have fun while telling me I don't understand that some people want to have fun.

So good job with that.

[Maenara]

Nobody's really trying to convince me that this is a competitive game. Unless there is something that is legitimately impossible to obtain in any way, without that 5% or whatever it is, that difference doesn't matter.

And gigawuts, the people who can't have fun if they're not as effective as their peers, they should probably be focusing on everything, not sulk around about the one class they did focus on just because they're the best at it.

[Gardios]

what would be neat are weapon camos based off of other weps+^_^+ like you have an awesome 11* that you can't equip, you can recycle it with like an AC only ticket to make a weaker weapon of that type look like the uber rare+^_^+ SEGAC would make moneys, and players wouldn't moan so much about not being able to use the latest and greatest+^_^+

This is exactly what we (well, most of us anyway) wanted with the original weapon camo system. More importantly, it would allow us to do it the other way around—using weak weapon skins on currently equipped weapons. As it stands, weak weapons like X/Nacht are useless right now.

[gigawuts]

Nobody's really trying to convince me that this is a competitive game.

Correct.

[Chik'Tikka]

This is exactly what we (well, most of us anyway) wanted with the original weapon camo system. More importantly, it would allow us to do it the other way around—using weak weapon skins on currently equipped weapons. As it stands, weak weapons like X/Nacht are useless right now.

huh, when i 1st heard of it, i didn't really want it in the regard i mention, i just wanted to recolor the weapons+^_^+ like really, my current wep is neon orange, bright blue, with glowing pink lights, like really+^_^+ is good wep, but i just dislike the colors+^_^+

[LonelyGaruga]

After you get your perfect equipment set

Nigh impossible. You're talking about full 11* equipment (or 12* in the case of Ely Sion and Psycho Wand) with 3-8 affixes depending on your definition of "perfect". I haven't seen a single person running around with full 11* units, let alone fully affixed with an 11* or higher weapon. I can count the number of people I know with 11* equipment on one hand, and they only have one-two 11*s at most.

You have to understand that what you're talking about is a Herculean effort. Every little bit helps, even the small amount of base stats that are gained from picking a specific race.

[Xaeris]

Is it wrong that I'm drinking in delicious schadenfreude after how much hilariously better casts were at everything in PSU?

[Maenara]

Correct.

That's too bad. I still stand by my original statement that the stat difference is irrelevant and that the people should stop whining about it.

You failed to make a coherent argument - you stated that the difference matters because this game is competitive, but you called this game competitive without stating a legitimate reason how. You need to 'prove' that the game is competitive if you want your first argument to mean anything.

[gigawuts]

I never, ever, ever, ever said this game is competitive. I said it wasn't competitive after you brought it up.

I honestly give up. Think whatever you want, god damn.

[Maenara]

Nigh impossible. You're talking about full 11* equipment (or 12* in the case of Ely Sion and Psycho Wand) with 3-8 affixes depending on your definition of "perfect". I haven't seen a single person running around with full 11* units, let alone fully affixed with an 11* or higher weapon. I can count the number of people I know with 11* equipment on one hand.

You have to understand that what you're talking about is a Herculean effort. Every little bit helps, even the small amount of base stats that are gained from picking a specific race.


You can only get one chance at a 12* weapon per Falz run. And you can only do one Extreme Quest run per day.
Since those items are rare, we need to deal in quantity of chances. Assuming we're both skilled enough to not fail either Falz or XQs, both I, a FOnewearl, and a FOcast are going to have the exact same number of chances at each of those.



I honestly give up. Think whatever you want, god damn.

Hooray for being able to believe what we choose!

[UnLucky]

So are you able to believe what we choose, too?

[Maenara]

So are you able to believe what we choose, too?

Yup. I'm sure people like gigawuts also believe my beliefs are stupid, and they're perfectly entitled to those beliefs, just as I am entitled to believe their beliefs are stupid. In essence, everyone is entitled to believe everyone else is stupid.

[jooozek]

YOU CAN ALWAYS ATTRIBUTE GRIND YOUR ROD FOR MORE DAMAGE!!!

[Z-0]

You are absolutely right. Doing 500 with your rod is better than 300.
I actually don't know how much rod melee does

[gigawuts]

When I was doing CO's for rod my pico hammer was doing like 4k on weak bulleted parts.

Also I was a hu/fi.

[Xaeris]

Rod melee isn't that bad, oddly enough. Good reach, great PP regen, strong hits; hell, if rods had actual photon arts, they could be better melee weapons than actual melee weapons.

[Gardios]

I still prefer hitting stuff with rods than with wands tbh.

[UnLucky]

Eh, they've got low S-Atk and a 75% modifier on their strikes. To compare, swords are like 120%/100%/150% on their three swings.

The reach and speed are good, though.

[LonelyGaruga]

You can only get one chance at a 12* weapon per Falz run. And you can only do one Extreme Quest run per day.

This is false. You can do as many runs as you have passes. Most people save up their passes for the rare day and then get as many runs as they can to get the maximum number of opportunities at rare drops. Having a player that deals less damage or dies more often is a detriment to this goal. Furthermore, in the case of affixes, where AQs would probably be the best location to get them, a small loss in damage can make it necessary to defeat an enemy with another attack, and the longer it takes to defeat an enemy during a burst, the harder it will become to lengthen the burst. This is important to getting more drops, more opportunities for rares, and more EXP for EX Cubes.


Since those items are rare, we need to deal in quantity of chances. Assuming we're both skilled enough to not fail either Falz or XQs, both I, a FOnewearl, and a FOcast are going to have the exact same number of chances at each of those.

This is partially correct. While it's true that you have the same number of chances, the Fonewearl is going to be getting EXP at a more efficient rate and getting rares at a more frequent rate outside of Elder and XQs. If the Fonewearl is triggering bursts more frequently in an AQ and sustaining them longer than a Focast (and the former would), then more rares and EXP are obtained, leading to a more sustainable income of EX Cubes and thus rare drop boosters (among other things). So not only can the Fonewearl possibly run more XQ runs on a rare drop day compared to the Focast, but the Fonewearl also has more rare drop boosters to use, giving an edge on both number of drop opportunities and the likelihood of something being dropped in the first place.

[Laga]

http://thebubble.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/clap.gif

lol, nice

[Macman]

Rod melee isn't that bad, oddly enough. Good reach, great PP regen, strong hits; hell, if rods had actual photon arts, they could be better melee weapons than actual melee weapons.
That point where you realize Psycho Wand has as much S-Atk as any respectable melee weapon.

Also those two points are the only reason any force would use a physical attack, and gunslash beats rod in both categories by far.

[Cypher_9]

That point where you realize Psycho Wand has as much S-Atk as any respectable melee weapon.

Also those two points are the only reason any force would use a physical attack, and gunslash beats rod in both categories by far.

Why shoot when you can 'lol' ZONDEEL... and then beat the heads of mobs... ^.^v

Though on a note, I do this a lot as a Techer; dangerous as Zondeel is granting a caster imminent danger in death - its a fun technique to use in support. This is attributed to my melee tendencies...


As far as the latest info is a concern, I am absolutely glad they implemented a pp regen thingy for melee, especially FI

[ShinMaruku]

If I zondeel then zonde follows right after

[Vinel]

LIMITBREAK SKILL on fighter :3

[Skyly HUmar]

Dumans overshadowing humans? Christ, try being a cast. There is no reason whatsoever to go cast anymore unless you're really attached to that last smidgen of HP and you like the sound of clangs.

LOL giga we thought the same, Dumans have more S, same R, and they actually have pretty good T. And unlike casts they don't have a single def weakness so gear will be easy to use all around.

So atm, like giga said, unless you like HP or if your specific build required that def, cast is kinda... yeah.

[Maenara]

New stuff


Slacked my way through part 3, but here's the large icons for part 3 and part 4.

Party 3 included the quest names/descriptions. The new ones are as follow:
Story quests: Road to the Unknown (意思が導く未知の道). Hitherto, Henceforth (いままでと、これから). Note: The two subplots for e2ch1 (Road to the Unknown) are "His Will Inherited" and "Her Will Not Inherited".
Free Field: Coast Exploration (海岸探索).
Arks Quests: Coast Ecological Survey (海岸地域生態調査), Environmental Protection: Coast (環境保全任務：海岸; this wants you to clear the artillery flower e-trial), Subdue Org Blanc (オルグブラン討伐).
Emergency Quest: Beach Wars! (ビーチウォーズ！) - seasonal. Includes the Falz Arm navigator chatter, but presumably doesn't involve Falz Arm.
Limited Quests: Arks GP 2013 (アークスＧＰ２０１３本戦), Arks GP 2013 Finals (アークスＧＰ２０１３決勝).

New PSEs:
Just Attack Boost (ジャストブースト)
Weak Point Boost (ウィークブースト)
PP Regen Up (PP回復UP)
Zero Range Boost (ゼロレンジブースト)
Rare Trial Boost (レアトライアルブースト)

Nothing too exciting, still. Could try to cobble together the enemy names (Bal Dominus is the rare Bal Rodos, incidentally), but that's effort.