Making your Dumans Mag

[ArcaneTechs]

How are some of you going about this? what are you maxing out on it? what level of stat is okay to stop on to work on another?

I've considered doing just full on S-atk again like my fighter and w/e the Dex level it gets to is what it is. Now for example, the melee mag I have now has about 110 S-atk and 65 Dex, since the Skill for Dex mag cuts the Dex in half, I would obviously get a higher output in damage right? or would going full Dex be a better choice?

[jooozek]

i'll go either s-atk or r-atk, depending what i'll go for; if i need dex, i'll just suck it from the skill tree, since i'll be specialising in one of the weapons thus have plenty of leftover SP

[Skyly HUmar]

All S attack, maybe ill make a R mag down the road.

[Link1275]

I'm going to wait until I see if Dhuman Braver is actually worth playing before doing anything to it.

[jooozek]

I'm going to wait until I see if Dhuman Braver is actually worth playing before doing anything to it.

the second slot is a permanent addition from what i understood so you could make one, try it, and then delete it if you dont like it and do something else

[Shambertin]

R atk all the way im gonna make duman ranger :3

[gigawuts]

the second slot is a permanent addition from what i understood so you could make one, try it, and then delete it if you dont like it and do something else

I don't know who told you this, but they were wrong based on everything floating around from generally trustworthy people.

[~Aya~]

i can be guinea pig and do it.. i dun want doodmanz anyway

[jooozek]

"You will not be able to convert a pre-existing character into a Dewman, however, once Episode 2 launches, everyone will be able to create a second character for free! Those who already have more than 2 characters will receive 1 free character creation pass."

taken from bumped

[Kondibon]

I don't know who told you this, but they were wrong based on everything floating around from generally trustworthy people.It's based off something that was said on bumped.

"You will not be able to convert a pre-existing character into a Dewman, however, once Episode 2 launches, everyone will be able to create a second character for free! Those who already have more than 2 characters will receive 1 free character creation pass."

Why would a distinction be made for people who have more than 2 characters already?

EDIT: On the topic of mags, I'm most likely going to make a 100 dex mag and put the rest into S and R attack depending on which one I want more of.

[gigawuts]

It's based off something that was said on bumped.

"You will not be able to convert a pre-existing character into a Dewman, however, once Episode 2 launches, everyone will be able to create a second character for free! Those who already have more than 2 characters will receive 1 free character creation pass."

Why would a distinction be made for people who have more than 2 characters already?

Presumably because of the wording. You can't make two second characters. Engrish and all, I guess.

All I know is people were saying it was later confirmed that it would be an extra character that behaves exactly like one you could buy and create before episode 2 was even announced.

[jooozek]

Ricardo's words to one of the comments:
"@lambangadi @Ranibito @-Z- : Character creation is pretty much what Aigis said. I will add the word “already” to make it easier to understand."

comment for context:
"i think the character creation is like this….

player who only have one character gets a slot that is free and wont disappear even after u delete a character on it unlike slot that are obtained via pass

while player who already have a 2nd character has the 2nd slot changed into a fixed slot from the one that will disappear if u delete it but gets a pass for a 3rd slot"

make out of that whatever you want

[Kondibon]

Presumably because of the wording. You can't make two second characters. Engrish and all, I guess.

All I know is people were saying it was later confirmed that it would be an extra character that behaves exactly like one you could buy and create before episode 2 was even announced.

They could have just said everyone is getting a character ticket if that's what it was. I planned on getting it right on the first try anyway though so it doesn't matter to me either way.

[Link1275]

It's based off something that was said on bumped.

"You will not be able to convert a pre-existing character into a Dewman, however, once Episode 2 launches, everyone will be able to create a second character for free! Those who already have more than 2 characters will receive 1 free character creation pass."

Why would a distinction be made for people who have more than 2 characters already?

EDIT: On the topic of mags, I'm most likely going to make a 100 dex mag and put the rest into S and R attack depending on which one I want more of.
Basically everyone now gets two free character slots, but if you already had two or more characters you would have to delete one to make a Dhuman. So they're giving those people a free pass instead. Or at least that's my understanding based on what was said on bumped.

[gigawuts]

Well my first assessment was it'd be a whole second slot you can delete and recreate as much as you wanted, but when I asked about this people who would be more in the know because they could actually read this stuff (I think it was Aida? I don't remember) said it'd pretty much just be a free pre-existing character creation ticket, exactly as we have now.

[ArcaneTechs]

R-atk doesnt sound so bad either, gonna use bows so I may have to go 50-50 on S/R-atk's.

Off topic though, You get ONE pass for ONE character, once you delete that character from it's slot, IT'S GONE. Even if you have more than 2 character slots, that slot where the Duman was IS GONE. its not so unlimited remake that for some reason you guys think it is, Sega isnt that generous

[Neferpitou]

You'll need a bit of both to equip a good bow/katana so go hybrid or forsake one of the weapons. Unless its Dex to equip them...

[jooozek]

it is indeed dex to equip them, at least all the weapons on the stream had a DEX req

[gigawuts]

You'll need a bit of both to equip a good bow/katana so go hybrid or forsake one of the weapons. Unless its Dex to equip them...

There were a bunch shown in the braver's inventory on one of the streams, and yes they all required dex.

I'm wondering if I should take some of my remaining AC and make a straight dex mag, or just pad up my leo's dex a bit. It depends on how viable a generalist build is, I guess.

[Kondibon]

You'll need a bit of both to equip a good bow/katana so go hybrid or forsake one of the weapons. Unless its Dex to equip them...

It's dex to equip them, but they seem to use s-atk and r-atk for damage, hence the discussion.

[Zenobia]

Its a tough call they may require dex to equip them, but in all honestly they still run off S atk and R atk I mostly and always base my mag build off the skill tree.

So in a true sense it depends on how that skill tree looks.

[ArcaneTechs]

Ya hybrid now seems like something I may have to do just for decent damage with bows, if that doesnt turn out well, I may get another mag and do pure S-atk/Dex and affix some units with Shoot

[LaMBtRon]

Good thing I'm indecisive and started buying mags impulsively. 5 of em em to mess around with. I'll get it right eventually...

[XbikXBd]

yeah the braver weps req Dex if anyone saw the picture on the uploader

[Punisher106]

My Duman's mag's gonna be S-ATK focused, since I fucked up my main mag beyond all recognition.

[Link1275]

It's dex to equip them, but they seem to use s-atk and r-atk for damage, hence the discussion.

Which is why there's a skill on the skill tree that gives you S-Atk and R-Atk for having more defense. This could realistically mean that having a 175 dex mag would give you the equivalent of a mag with 175 S-Atk and 175 R-Atk.

[jooozek]

no, it halves what you get so with a 175 DEX mag you'd get 87,5 R and S ATK

[Kondibon]

Which is why there's a skill on the skill tree that gives you S-Atk and R-Atk for having more defense. This could realistically mean that having a 175 dex mag would give you the equivalent of a mag with 175 S-Atk and 175 R-Atk.???

The braver mag skill is 50% s and r attack from your mag's dex. which would make them 87 each, not 175.

100 dex, 50 s-atk, and 25 r-atk would net me

100 dex
100 s-atk
75 r-atk. Which I'd prefer.

[Anduril]

no, it halves what you get so with a 175 DEX mag you'd get 87,5 R and S ATK Which would also be the same as having either a 50 S-ATK/50 R-ATK/75 DEX or a 75/75/25, right?.

[Kondibon]

Which would also be the same as having either a 50 S-ATK/50 R-ATK/75 DEX or a 75/75/25, right?.

No, it's a pure passive bonus, it doesn't decrease your dex.

[Anduril]

No, it's a pure passive bonus, it doesn't decrease your dex.
Sorry, I wasn't completely clear there; I just meant in terms of the bonuses to S- and R-ATK. I was considering making one of those two builds, but after looking at it, higher DEX may be the way to go.

[redroses]

Hm, is using both a bow and a katana on braver not doable, as in, do you have to focus on one or the other (at least for maximum damage output?)

And if you would like to hybrid braver, would a range/attack hybrid mag be good than? I guess subbing Hunter with its stance would also benefit a hybrid braver?

Sorry, about all the questions I just would love to use both weapons effective on my braver.

[Kondibon]

Hm, is using both a bow and a katana on braver not doable, as in, do you have to focus on one or the other (at least for maximum damage output?)

And if you would like to hybrid braver, would a range/attack hybrid mag be good than? I guess subbing Hunter with its stance would also benefit a hybrid braver?

Sorry, about all the questions I just would love to use both weapons effective on my braver.

Given the skill tree for bows being pretty lackluster I'd say it's plausible to go hybrid and still be decent since, even if you're maining bow, multi shot isn't good for damage so it might not be worth maxing, thus, saving you plenty of points for the katana tree and stances.

EDIT: To elaborate, no you can't maximize both of them, but with things like braver mag, you can probably hybrid them better than say, techer or gunner.

[Gama]

dewmans need dex? explain? please?

[Kondibon]

dewmans need dex? explain? please?We were talking about Braver I guess since most of us are making our dumen bravers anyway.

[Lostbob117]

I think you meant to put "Braver" and not "Duman"?

But yeah, for Braver I'm going 65S-Atk and the rest DEX

[UnLucky]

Do not delete your second character assuming you'll be able to remake.

I'll do that first thing on an alt to confirm.


As for Braver Mag, if you're not making a new character, just use your existing R/S-Atk mag. If you are starting from scratch, and you're fine with spending 5 SP to split your mag's Dex into half for your actual attack stats, then going pure Dex isn't a bad idea, especially since you'll need it for equipment.

It's not that Dex is inherently bad or that much worse than strict Atk, it's just that point-for-point you're better off doing slightly more damage as well as equipping stronger weapons (Atk) than raising your minimum damage by a similar amount (Dex). That's less true for Braver unless Dex requirements are low enough to easily reach without extra points.

175 S-Atk > 175 Dex
175 S-Atk + 87 Dex > 175 S-Atk
87 S-Atk + 175 Dex _?_ 175 S-Atk

Obviously pure Dex would be better than pure S-Atk if you want to use Bows or other ranged weapons, since Dex is better than nothing. But is two points in Dex worth at least as much as a single point in your desired stat?

The major limitation to Dex is that it has a cap: your maximum damage (or rather, 95% of it). If your damage variation is extremely minimal, or in other words your minimum damage is nearly the same as your maximum damage, further points in Dex are totally worthless (outside of equipment requirements). I'm willing to bet that this point won't be reached with only 88 Dex, so 87 Atk + 88 Dex would have the exact same average damage as 175 Atk, ignoring critical hits. So at some point past that value, Dex doesn't help. Maybe it's not even before you reach 175 Dex on your mag. If so, then a pure Dex mag + 5 SP in Braver Mag is the most optimal choice even for a single weapon build.

[TERAGON1996]

I would said S-atk>Dex, R-atk>Dex, S-atk=R-atk. I mean, we only use Dex just to equip stronger weapons, but we need high S-atk/R-atk just to create even more dmg. But if you are going for either Katana or Bow, I'd still say Dex should be lower than either of those stats.

If regarding to which race best for Braver, CAST!!!

Anyway, it was said previously that race stats doesn't matter, wat matter is wat kind of class are you going for.

Regarding to the new char slot, what they mean is this: you can't possibly just change race, so SEGA is giving you 1 chance to create a new char without paying. But that doesn't mean that slot is permanent. They still follow the '1 account 1 free char slot' rule. But if players that has no AC at all can't try Duman, there might be revolt, so SEGA is giving 1 chance on creating a new char without them spent a penny for it. So basically, SEGA paid the fee for that slot only for those who had their 1 slot created. I mean, who in the world want to delete their 1 hard time leveled char just to try out Duman?

[UnLucky]

I would said S-atk>Dex, R-atk>Dex, S-atk=R-atk. I mean, we only use Dex just to equip stronger weapons, but we need high S-atk/R-atk just to create even more dmg. But if you are going for either Katana or Bow, I'd still say Dex should be lower than either of those stats.
Well yeah, you can replace 175 S-Atk with 175 R-Atk if that's what you're aiming for... I meant just any one "Atk" in general.

If you're not getting the "Braver Mag" skill, then you only want enough Dex to equip the weapon you want, then the rest goes towards whatever single Atk stat you need for said weapon.

But if you DO get the skill, then I'm saying having 175 Dex could make up the difference in having 88 less Atk. It could actually be stronger to some degree.

I never did too much testing on Dex, but supposedly it raises your damage by the exact same amount as specialized Atk, and in every damage type. However it is capped by your Atk, and doesn't help your crit damage one bit. Thats why 1 Atk > 1 Dex, but how about 2 Dex? That all depends on how easy it is to raise your minimum damage up to your maximum.