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chivien
Dec 28, 2013, 05:38 PM
Is it just me or I used 20m and never got past + 7

The Walrus
Dec 28, 2013, 05:41 PM
Are you using risk reduction 1's at least?


Aside from that the RNG is horseshit so yeah...you should keep a record of your grinds and see if Giga will make a chart for it :3

TaigaUC
Dec 28, 2013, 05:59 PM
I used something like 7 +10% and maybe 30 +1 grind risk reduction to get a Fal Claw to +10.
Ended up costing around 1.2m. Not going to bother with the latent.

Z-0
Dec 28, 2013, 06:02 PM
1.2M is pretty cheap for grinding an 11*. I think it cost me around 15M to get an 11* to +10 four times, and that's most likely cheap to what some people have had to go through.

I used +1 reductions until around +6 or 7 (from like 2 or something), then I used full protects all the way.

Xaelouse
Dec 28, 2013, 06:07 PM
full protects are a rip-off

TaigaUC
Dec 28, 2013, 06:09 PM
Yeah. But I doubt I'll even use it much. Looks nice, though.

It kept failing at +8 and going back down to +5 or less.
Eventually I started using +1 grind risk reduction from +6 onwards.
All the +10%s were used at +9.

The annoying thing about protects is if it succeeds anyway, you basically wasted it.
If it fails, you don't receive any noticeable gains. And then you could just fail the next try anyway.

gigawuts
Dec 28, 2013, 06:10 PM
full protects are a rip-off

Considering an 11* can fall from +9 to +5, well, even with a +1 protect and straight success back to +9 you're bordering or even surpassing the cost of a full protect at +9. And you're not going to go 6->9 without failing several times in a row.

Exiled_Gundam
Dec 28, 2013, 07:56 PM
Is it just me or I used 20m and never got past + 7
Hmm actually maybe you might want to try Grind+7 first, and then from +8 to +10 onwards use full protect and grind success. Might not be cheap, but far cheaper than 20m

Arksenth
Dec 28, 2013, 08:17 PM
Hmm actually maybe you might want to try Grind+7 first, and then from +8 to +10 onwards use full protect and grind success. Might not be cheap, but far cheaper than 20m

Listen to this guy, he has had to work with 7 11*s and one 12* by this point wwwww

Kikikiki
Dec 28, 2013, 09:38 PM
I've been stuck at +9 on my katana since day 1.

Dnd
Dec 28, 2013, 10:17 PM
I typically go:

0 -> 6 raw
7 -> 9 with -1's
9 -> 10 with 5%/10% (depending what i got in storage) and full protects

Its been as cheap as 800k and as expensive as 5.5 million for a +0 -> +10 on an 11* but it averages out at ~2 million. (All those costs include the price of items used from my storage as if I had brought them - this was also when full protects were 300k, I've +10'd 11*s 8 times in total aswell)

Alma
Dec 28, 2013, 11:31 PM
^more or less same with Dnd
but i start to use 5% and full risk at +8 upward
cost me an average of 3-5mill per +10 and 10-15 mill for v3 latent

i also occasionally use grind skip -> 7 when i have enough unused ac item from scratch >_>

Coatl
Dec 29, 2013, 12:58 AM
Getting *11s immediately to +7 is a waste of 1.5m. Yeah, that's what I went ahead and said and managed to have my *11 at +3 after spending 1.5m. :I

Krimson
Dec 29, 2013, 06:02 AM
Hopefully the 11* weps can be traded for something good in the future, 11* bow that I will NVR use,
Seriously what does a gunner need with a bow?

gigawuts
Dec 29, 2013, 09:41 AM
Hopefully the 11* weps can be traded for something good in the future, 11* bow that I will NVR use,
Seriously what does a gunner need with a bow?

have you considered playing more than 1 class

oh, right, GU, so probably not

UnLucky
Dec 29, 2013, 10:49 AM
Getting *11s immediately to +7 is a waste of 1.5m. Yeah, that's what I went ahead and said and managed to have my *11 at +3 after spending 1.5m. :I

Well if you don't full protect, then you can drop right down to +3 immediately after using that ->7..

SakoHaruo
Dec 29, 2013, 11:19 AM
think i'll past on 11* grinding. I'm too poor atm, revival scratch is around the corner, and Monica grinded my 11* to +6 with 100k which I know is 100% trolling. I got the XQ Twin Dagger from stone shop for a good reason - I don't have to worry about grinding since I'll just use them to dash around (no, they don't cause lag) and look pretty, and a couple of the 10* Daggers are stronger.

Alenoir
Dec 29, 2013, 12:17 PM
Brute force to +6, use risk protect+1 to +8, risk protect and a grind success 5% to +9, full protect to +10. Use grind success 10% at +9 if you have them.

musicmf
Dec 29, 2013, 12:23 PM
Brute force to +6, use risk protect+1 to +8, risk protect and a grind success 5% to +9, full protect to +10. Use grind success 10% at +9 if you have them.

With my only 11*, that's pretty much what I did.
I did use the 10% instead of 5% on the +8>9. But I only used a -2 Protect and 10% Boost for +9>10

Used only 800k Meseta purely on Dudu Sink. (And the cost of whatever grinders/boosters/protects I had in storage)
Since people say it usually costs more than that on average, I guess I got pretty lucky.

Gama
Dec 29, 2013, 12:43 PM
spend around 2 mil grinding my elysion, used protects +1 tho.

Kikikiki
Dec 29, 2013, 12:52 PM
[SPOILER-BOX]2013-12-26T20:48:50 625 [Grind(success) +1] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+5 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-26T20:50:22 634 [Grind(failure) -0] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+5 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-26T20:50:22 635 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-26T20:50:27 636 [Grind(success) +1] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+6 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-26T20:50:27 637 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-26T20:51:15 638 [Grind(success) +1] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+7 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-26T20:51:15 639 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-26T23:22:52 1366 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化リスク軽減(+1) Num(1)
2013-12-26T23:22:52 1367 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-50400) CurrentMeseta(558089)
2013-12-26T23:23:19 1368 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化成功率+5% Num(1)
2013-12-26T23:23:19 1369 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-92400) CurrentMeseta(465689)
2013-12-26T23:23:47 1370 [Discard] 12365508 ダン・バイセル ラムダブラオレット+2 attr:Thunder(34)
2013-12-26T23:23:54 1371 [Grind(success) +1] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+8 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-27T13:38:06 2 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化リスク軽減(完全) Num(1)
2013-12-27T13:38:06 3 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-472500) CurrentMeseta(476459)
2013-12-27T13:38:24 4 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化成功率+10% Num(1)
2013-12-27T13:38:24 5 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-357000) CurrentMeseta(119459)
2013-12-27T13:39:11 6 [Grind(failure) -0] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+8 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-27T13:39:11 7 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-27T13:39:43 8 [Grind(success) +1] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+9 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-27T13:39:43 9 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-28T00:32:55 767 [Warehouse-Meseta] 12365508 サンダーバード Meseta(500000) WarehouseMeseta(500000) CurrentMeseta(102583)
2013-12-28T00:33:57 768 [Warehouse-Meseta] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-500000) WarehouseMeseta(0) CurrentMeseta(1523520)
2013-12-28T00:34:25 769 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化リスク軽減(完全) Num(1)
2013-12-28T00:34:25 770 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-598000) CurrentMeseta(925520)
2013-12-28T00:34:53 771 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化成功率+10% Num(1)
2013-12-28T00:34:53 772 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-420000) CurrentMeseta(505520)
2013-12-28T00:35:24 773 [Grind(failure) -0] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+9 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-28T00:35:24 774 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-28T00:36:02 775 [Recycle(Receive)] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化成功率+30% Num(1)
2013-12-28T00:36:02 776 [Recycle(Send)] 12365508 ダン・バイセル エクスキューブ Num(20)
2013-12-28T00:36:24 777 [Grind(failure) -0] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+9 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-28T00:36:24 778 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-28T00:36:50 779 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化成功率+10% Num(1)
2013-12-28T00:36:50 780 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-420000) CurrentMeseta(58020)
2013-12-28T00:37:06 781 [Grind(failure) -1] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+8 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-28T00:37:06 782 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-28T00:37:18 783 [Grind(failure) -0] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+8 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-28T00:37:18 784 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-28T00:39:59 804 [Grind(success) +1] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+9 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-28T23:32:18 4431 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化リスク軽減(完全) Num(1)
2013-12-28T23:32:18 4432 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-577500) CurrentMeseta(597377)
2013-12-28T23:32:43 4433 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化成功率+10% Num(1)
2013-12-28T23:32:43 4434 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-388500) CurrentMeseta(208877)
2013-12-28T23:33:06 4435 [Grind(failure) -0] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+9 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-28T23:33:06 4436 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-30T00:34:32 1672 [Warehouse-Meseta] 12365508 サンダーバード Meseta(600000) WarehouseMeseta(600000) CurrentMeseta(79847)
2013-12-30T00:35:44 1673 [Warehouse-Meseta] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-600000) WarehouseMeseta(0) CurrentMeseta(1487925)
2013-12-30T00:35:52 1674 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化成功率+10% Num(2)
2013-12-30T00:35:52 1675 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-800001) CurrentMeseta(687924)
2013-12-30T00:36:02 1676 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化リスク軽減(+1) Num(1)
2013-12-30T00:36:02 1677 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-42000) CurrentMeseta(645924)
2013-12-30T00:36:14 1678 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 強化リスク軽減(完全) Num(1)
2013-12-30T00:36:14 1679 [Buy-FromUserShop] 12365508 ダン・バイセル Meseta(-470400) CurrentMeseta(175524)
2013-12-30T00:36:50 1680 [Grind(failure) -0] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+9 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-30T00:36:50 1681 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)
2013-12-30T00:36:55 1682 [Grind(success) +1] 12365508 ダン・バイセル 華散王+10 attr:Ice(30)
2013-12-30T00:36:55 1683 :Consume 12365508 ダン・バイセル グラインダー Num(4)[/SPOILER-BOX]

The almighty 11* journey.

I deleted the log pre +5 but they probably costed one stack of 99 grinders.

http://puu.sh/62w7y.png

That's round one.

Let's not talk about the affixing cost...

Tenlade
Dec 29, 2013, 04:15 PM
I just spent 10 mil on a falclaw, because it would just refuse to upgrade past+9, it was absurd.

not even going to even consider unlocking potentials on it.

TaigaUC
Dec 29, 2013, 04:55 PM
I just spent 10 mil on a falclaw, because it would just refuse to upgrade past+9, it was absurd.

not even going to even consider unlocking potentials on it.

:(

Yeah, I am not going to touch mine either.
Besides, we might get better potentials in a few weeks.

KuroNeko77
Dec 30, 2013, 09:54 AM
I was lucky with my latest 11* grind attemp:
[SPOILER-BOX][Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+1 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+2 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(failure) -0] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+2 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+3 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+4 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+5 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+6 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(failure) -0] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+6 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+7 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(failure) -0] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+7 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+8 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(failure) -0] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+8 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(failure) -1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+7 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+8 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(failure) -0] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+8 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(failure) -0] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+8 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(failure) -0] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+8 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(failure) -0] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+8 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+9 attr:Light(28 )
[Grind(success) +1] 10413370 Regina Rainyday ナスヨテリ+10 attr:Light(28 )[/SPOILER-BOX]

I used -1's once I reached +6, then -2's from +8 onward. Costed me around 200k-300k mesetas.

On the other hand, Shishikamu took me around 8m the three journeys to +10 because I tried to play it safe with full protects.

dr apocalipsis
Dec 30, 2013, 11:47 AM
Got a Sharp Cycler.

Used all my campaign 5 +2 protect at 6 with no results. Then moved to full protects. From 6 onwards I used always +10% grind boost. Total, 6M meseta, including protects, and those campaign +2.

Now I will need a new unit set for hu, so I will wait for latent changes. I'm really poor now right after do all my Fo and Te crap.

Log starts at +5.

[SPOILER-BOX]2013-12-30T16:33:03 2486 [Grind(failure) -1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+4 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:33:03 2487 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:33:11 2488 [Grind(success) +1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+5 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:33:11 2489 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:33:57 2492 [Grind(failure) -1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+4 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:33:57 2493 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:34:02 2494 [Grind(success) +1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+5 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:34:02 2495 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:34:10 2496 [Grind(success) +1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:34:10 2497 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:34:18 2498 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:34:18 2499 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:36:14 2500 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:36:14 2501 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:36:20 2502 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:36:20 2503 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:36:27 2504 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:36:27 2505 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:36:34 2506 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:36:34 2507 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:36:46 2508 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:36:46 2509 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:36:53 2510 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:36:53 2511 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:37:34 2512 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:37:34 2513 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:37:41 2514 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:37:41 2515 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:39:14 2518 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:39:14 2519 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:39:22 2520 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:39:22 2521 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:39:30 2522 [Grind(failure) -1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+5 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:39:30 2523 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:41:09 2528 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+5 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:41:09 2529 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:41:16 2530 [Grind(success) +1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:41:16 2531 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:41:22 2532 [Grind(failure) -0] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:41:22 2533 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:41:29 2534 [Grind(success) +1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+7 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:41:29 2535 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:41:45 2536 [Grind(failure) -1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+6 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:41:45 2537 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:41:53 2538 [Grind(success) +1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+7 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:41:53 2539 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:44:22 2542 [Grind(success) +1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+8 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:44:22 2543 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:44:30 2544 [Grind(success) +1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+9 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:44:30 2545 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)
2013-12-30T16:44:38 2546 [Grind(success) +1] 10148330 dr. apocalipsis シャープサイクラー+10 attr:Light(25)
2013-12-30T16:44:38 2547 :Consume 10148330 dr. apocalipsis Grinder Num(4)[/SPOILER-BOX]