Good ol' Falz: Share your level 70 Falz experiences!

[TaigaUC]

Someone in another thread suggested discussing 70 Falz.
So, what's everyone think?

I was in a group that wiped the floor with him in 3 minutes.
Didn't notice anything different. Every arm died in a few moments.
Used 250% boost, 15% from lucky units and 15% from Umbra Stick.
Got an Elder Rifle. Yay.

Edit: It seems I got a special weapon tekked Fal Claw from Falz.

[Ciel~Homura]

1 Elder Rod here... ( 250 + 100 + 4 Lucky rise I + Lv3 Fortunate Omen )

[UnLucky]

Not even a mace of adaman

[Reiketsu]

Yeah... when the first Super Falz was released he certainly was harder, took longer to kill and had new properties like freezing people, so he was cool. But this Super Falz? I didn't notice any difference either. Disappointing as fuck >_>;

[XbikXBd]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/242/631/382.gif

[Horo The Wise Wolf]

I got a boatload of nothing!

[Gardios]

0 rares. Not even an Adaman...

[TaigaUC]

I didn't get anything worthwhile from Arms either.
Level 12 discs and the usual trash rares.

Edit:
Lambda Karishizuma price has dropped to 1m though, if anyone was waiting for that.

[jooozek]

between 2 chars ive got garbage, no 10* and had ran with a 50% triboost and a 250% rare ticket + 100% boost from today

[TaigaUC]

Hmm. I just realized I got a Fal Claw from something, possibly Falz?
It was a special weapon.
I thought people said 11 stars couldn't be tekked?

[Requiem Aeternam]

Got a 9* Partisan for the hundredth time with the boost and a 100% Triboost ticket. Rather disappointed but I didn't expect to get anything good anyway. Got to level 60 which was pretty nice.

Would have been nice to get at least 1 useless 10* rare instead of useless 9*

[KuroNeko77]

It took us 7 minutes to kill him because he wouldn't get shocked, but it's still as easy as before.

3 Elder Rifle and 2 Adaman at the end


Hmm. I just realized I got a Fal Claw from something, possibly Falz?
It was a special weapon.
I thought people said 11 stars couldn't be tekked?

Only when Falz's 11 stars drop from TD.

[jooozek]

Hmm. I just realized I got a Fal Claw from something, possibly Falz?
It was a special weapon.
I thought people said 11 stars couldn't be tekked?
that's in context of tower defense

[Dnd]

got 6 7-9*s from falz + a slot unit on 250% + 50% tri + premium drink.

Huge disappointment, hes pretty much identical to lv65, even down to his damage output. He just lags like a lil bitch instead -.-

[TaigaUC]

Oh. Weird.
I've just been vendoring the special weapons.
I hope I didn't scrap any 11 stars by mistake~

[UnLucky]

Just better exp for lv60+ players, I guess.

Falz is such a joke EQ

When's the next TD?

[TaigaUC]

Next scheduled TD is around three days' time, it seems.
There's at least one DF every day, and lots of Choco 2.

Only two scheduled TDs this week :(

[UnLucky]

Garbage.

At least there's still the LQ for tech disc farm

[Dugs]

I got those 9* daggers that came in a red box like always to make it seem like I may have got something unique for once.

My friend on the other hand got his second Guld Mila and a Nasuyatori. At the same time.

[CanaanAzure]

1 250% rare, 1 triboost 100%.... only 3 rares.
2 9*
1 7*
Not a single 10*
I should give up my dreams for a 12*

[TaigaUC]

Well, good luck for round 2, everyone.

[Alma]

nothing *10, *11 and *12 drop here
250% +100 tri used
also i notice the quest has default 100% rare drop boost.



btw, according to swiki, the new *12 wand has these stat

Satk: 536 (1072)
Ratk: -
Tatk: 522 (1044)

Stat Requirement: Tatk 700

seems nothing great for wand (aside from high Satk and Tatk power which is normal for *12 rank wand) but one posting on the comment section listed the potential as:

"Charged Tech Power rise 50% (lv1)"



... :wacko:

[Bellion]

If that's true, must get the anti-Elysion!
Meanwhle, Godhand gets pp regenerating ability when attacking. That's not godly at all.

http://mmoloda.com/pso2/image.php?id=25743

[jooozek]

Lv3 Fortunate Omen )

fortunate omen just makes rares come untekked, nothing else
edit: holy fucking shit at that wand potential, seriously sega go fuck yourself

[Ratazana]

http://i.imgur.com/STHbjnG.jpg

[UnLucky]

Well, good luck for round 2, everyone.
Can't wait to get another 3 Iritista

If that's true, must get the anti-Elysion!
Meanwhle, Godhand gets pp regenerating ability when attacking. That's not godly at all.

http://mmoloda.com/pso2/image.php?id=25743
Don't tell me that's 2x charged tech damage at lv3. As if Force needed more RNG gear to be viable.

And wait, is that a new latent that enables PP regen during attack animations, or just trash?

[Bellion]

It's the same PP regeneration as the 10%/20%/30% weapons when attacking.

And crap, Magical Piece does have a charged ability thing. My space elf will forever be bound to DF Elder with 350% RDR and never to be used outside of the EQ.

[gigawuts]

Can't wait to get another 3 Iritista

Don't tell me that's 2x charged tech damage at lv3. As if Force needed more RNG gear to be viable.

And wait, is that a new latent that enables PP regen during attack animations, or just trash?

It's Attack PP Restorate, as found on the Dio Lacruico.

Sega I am disappoint.

It could've at least had PP Slayer to make up for dropping as 22 dark for people, but if you wanted it to actually be unique JA Stun would've been nicer.

[UnLucky]

So from attacks, not while attacking, alright. Spirit Collector.

I mean it could be good for PP Slayer BHS, but most people would rather a damage latent, I'm sure.

Still waiting for Attack PP Revival, for either Hunter or Techer.

[Zeota]

Ohhh just the usual vendor trash plus an excube, I mean elder rifle.

Functioning as intended.

[Dnd]

It's Attack PP Restorate, as found on the Dio Lacruico.

Sega I am disappoint.

It could've at least had PP Slayer to make up for dropping as 22 dark for people, but if you wanted it to actually be unique JA Stun would've been nicer.

At least the latent is usable *cough* ely sion's 17%(?) iron will latent *cough*

[gigawuts]

If I'm grinding a 12* 4 times I either want super OP techs or near immortality with a 15 sp investment; not more pp recovery on knuckles, that are a reskin of a 7*, from a weapon that didn't even have a visible model in its original game.

Actually. Fuck it.

They should give a Stealth option like units have to the God Hand. Boom. Amazing weapons. I already want to farm for them based purely on the off-chance they do this.

[cheapgunner]

Why not give knuckle pa's a 16/18/20 power boost like other latents do for pas for all knuckles to make them desirable... >.>; If I want more pp back I'd make a unit set gimme 50+ pp.

[jooozek]

mother of god of lag, thats some massive lag

[Dark Priest]

He isn't any different from 65 version, all he is is 5 levels higher, which means some people will do slightly less damage but still the exact same pattern and dullness/predictible pattern he already has, sega does not know how to actually add challenge to this game, simply make things boink harder.

except he now has 2 new you'll probably never see in your lifetime weapons added to his list.

[Z-0]

Wow, I sincerely hope that Magical Piece that Magical Piece isn't that overpowered or gets nerfed fast.

To put that much power behind RNG is bullshit. I wouldn't mind if I could actually hunt it, but you know・・・

[cheapgunner]

To make him different, after arms die, spawns 2 Hunar and a Nove Ringadarl. Elder, when fighting him, spawns 2 random clones after an arm is busted. There ya go.

[MetalDude]

*3 new weapons, not that it makes a single difference though.

[Ratazana]

People are saying mp pot is 20% at lv1

[gigawuts]

Wait, does he drop level 17 tech/PA discs?

[Bellion]

That's still incredibly good. That's like having a spare 20 SP to use on Tech Charges on the Fo skill tree.

[Dnd]

Wait, does he drop level 17 tech/PA discs?

havent seen one so far

[UnLucky]

I like this one comment saying "100% at Lv3 would be nice since tech DPS is dead now"

[Z-0]

It pretty much trumps every other FO latent there is just with that (except Elysion's), so there's still no reason not to get Magical Piece.

[Shinamori]

http://mmoloda.com/pso2/image.php?id=25744

So, what's the Gunslash latent?

[UnLucky]

I still think I'd rather get Premicheros for cheaper techs as well as 20% Talis Tech Bonus.

Plus is Magical Piece even Force equippable? If not, it's trash.

[cheapgunner]

I like this one comment saying "100% at Lv3 would be nice since tech DPS is dead now"

To me it kinda is with Braver and Gunners running around atm. Would be nice for all techs to get limit break effect back from PSU at least.

[gigawuts]

http://mmoloda.com/pso2/image.php?id=25744

So, what's the Gunslash latent?

It's either new or unlisted.

[Gardios]

"Breath of Life"

HP regeneration?

[Dnd]

I still think I'd rather get Premicheros for cheaper techs as well as 20% Talis Tech Bonus.

Plus is Magical Piece even Force equippable? If not, it's trash.

It is fo/te equipable..

Gee 450% duel adamans, s kilda and 9* double saber and a metric ton of trash from arms. I donno what i was expecting really :|

[Gardios]

Derp, didn't see the description next to it. "Recover HP automatically."

[Dark Priest]

I still think I'd rather get Premicheros for cheaper techs as well as 20% Talis Tech Bonus.

Plus is Magical Piece even Force equippable? If not, it's trash.

Just like P. wand as a rod being used by techer, even sega understands that as hard as these weapons are to get they better be able to be used by the classes that match them. and not forced into only one.

[Merc0FF]

Got nothing from both runs on 250% RD and 100% tri, friend got Elysion thou so it's still hard to tell if 11* drop is better. Btw does anybody know when does quest records update?

[red1228]

mother of god of lag, thats some massive lag

Indeed...
We (those of us that could load AT ALL) stood there for a solid 30 seconds before anything happened.

[MetalDude]

Got an Elder Rod, haven't seen a Falz 10* in well over 4-5 months until now.

Rates are still trrraaaash.

[gigawuts]

"Breath of Life"

HP regeneration?

They DID mention new latents, including a passive HP regen latent.

Figures it's exclusive to a 12* gunslash of all things. Might as well give it to a talis that only gunners can use :rolleyes:

[UnLucky]

Two more runs, Mace of Adaman and an Elder Rod

Both with premium drink and boosters

Well I guess that's more than I've gotten the past couple of months running the regular SH Falz

[Dnd]

Got nothing from both runs on 250% RD and 100% tri, friend got Elysion thou so it's still hard to tell if 11* drop is better. Btw does anybody know when does quest records update?

Its typically every 12-24 hours. so expect the one at 10am jst to be updated, if not then this time tomorrow for sure it will

[UnLucky]

Just like P. wand as a rod being used by techer, even sega understands that as hard as these weapons are to get they better be able to be used by the classes that match them. and not forced into only one.
And now I can't make jokes about PW being the strongest Wand anymore, either. Phooey

[TaigaUC]

Got yet another Fal Claw. And an Elder Rod.
Dunno what else yet.

[final_attack]

5 stone. That's it (with premium drinks and booster) =="

[HaxMega]

I got a boxed Milla the second time level 70 Falz popped up (7th run of him overall) Character was running a 250% Rare, 100% Tri, with premium rare up drink.

[DeificEpyon]

[SPOILER-BOX]I got two untekked wands thinking they'd both be Maces of Adaman.
http://i.imgur.com/M9es7Yg.jpg
And I don't play Force or Techer. Great.
Well at least I got something. I wasn't using any boosts at all.[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Requiem Aeternam]

Got nothing but junk rares on my second run. I should really stop wasting boost tickets seeing as they never seem to help me nab decent rares anyway.

[Zeota]

Elder rifle #2. Even busted out the umbra stick this time.

Still more than I've seen in the past couple months of regular SH. Underwhelming as hell, but I didn't go into it expecting much.

[gigawuts]

...So they actually thought people would like number creep falz with 3 new weapons nobody will ever get would entice players more than tower defense?

[Z-0]

It seems to have worked too, did you see the server status during it?

[gigawuts]

Yeah, but that's the first day. Nobody knows what's what on the first day.

Watch the server status after 2 weeks of number creep falz compared to 6 weeks of tower defense.

[UnLucky]

I'd like to see the next couple once everyone learns DF wasn't adjusted to match TD's drops

Like it doesn't even have to be as good as 3-4 runs of TD in one loot crystal, but at least more than a single 10* over multiple characters.

Maybe if they brought back that exploit for infinite Elder I would care

[Aine]

Dunno, there are surprisingly a large amount of people reporting 12-star drops on twitter and 2ch.

Anyway, got my 6th Motav, 25th 11-star on the second DF.

[Kikikiki]

Probably just for once because people trying it out.

[pkemr4]

wait. are 11* drop rates from falz actually subpar for once...?

[Tenlade]

surprising amount of people reporting drops actually. We'll have to find out tomorrow when the drop charts form.

on one hand, Dark falz with decent drops would be great, especially if i could get a boxed elysion.

On the other hand, no one plays anything ever because they'll be running 250% tickets for all characters.

[gigawuts]

Yeah I would take any drops right now with a grain of salt. The "higher number of drops" could be down to boosters, the sheer volume of people running it, or most likely both combined.

That said, by level 70 you're looking at enough of a compounded boost rate for 12*s (if they're for VH or SH) that they damn well better drop more often.

[Arksenth]

Looking at the comments for Magical Piece. Are people sure the potential is 50%? Testers are reporting 4-10%

[Saffran]

6 Stones on both runs, plus the usual trash.
Team mate got Elysion, another one got Motav.
20,300 Exp + 4060, not really worth it considering the HP he gained.
Also, the shock resistance got a serious buff.
He isn't that much stronger (about 500Atk more than usual?) but god are those random parties annoying...

[UnLucky]

I dunno, he seemed to get chain shocked just fine in my last run.

And I only took like 700 damage on my Newman from his arm thrusts.

[Mysterious-G]

Give it a few days before claiming the rates are trash. What did you expect? 11*s raining left and right? Maybe snatch a God Hand while at it?

[Kikikiki]

Give it a few days before claiming the rates are trash. What did you expect? 11*s raining left and right?

This is the case for TD.

[Mysterious-G]

I see a lot of people here reporting drops in their teams as well, so who is to say the droprate for the 11*s aren't the same? With rates like PSO2 has them it's impossible to tell after one day. The quest logs will help with that.

[UnLucky]

If they're higher, it's not by much.

It was unrealistic to think ten 10*s would be flying out per crystal like TD, but maybe getting one every so often with all the boosters in the world?

Rates are trash.

[Dark Priest]

Knowing sega the drop rate probably increased by 0.1-0.2% which is pretty much unoticable. so the people who are simply unlucky and never see any good drops will most likley still never see any good drops.

[pkemr4]

they shoudlve just gave us a boosted TD after each quma concert. it would take lvl 100 Boosted DF to have TD 11* star rates.

[gigawuts]

I'd love a tower defense with elder falz instead of bibras, seriously.

[Rehal]

Lv65 Elder drop record from last week till now:
http://puu.sh/6Tt0o.jpg
Wait for next lv70 one and do comparison.

[UnLucky]

I'd be surprised if the 10-11*s were more than double those rates.

[Tenlade]

simple way to tell: if theres 300-500 drops of each 11* weapon by the time the drop charts show up one day later, it might actually be around base em level

if its anything less, just assume its from people blowing rare boosters.

[gigawuts]

Based on what I think I know about the drop system, it would be the tables from level 50 falz, level 55 falz, level 60 falz, level 65 falz, and now level 70 falz.

I think?

Since some of those never even appear do they even have different drop tables?

So that means unless level 70 has a huge huge huge boost (no other higher level table has ever had that kind of a significant boost, we're talking like 10x), then you can expect only a bit more.

[Daiyousei]

Already saw someone with god hand, so maybe it is not as rare or just really lucky person and I'm lucky enough to gIimpse it

[Tenlade]

Ite entirely possible,they could even just flat out add the rares again to the 70 drop table at a higher rate. We wont really know until tomorrow.

[Inazuma]

Sega has said it themselves. The lv 70 Falz Elder has a +100% rare drop boost.

One of my teammates got an Orochiagito.

[pkemr4]

they seriouslly should remove the garbage 7-9*'s from lvl 65 and up DF falz.

[Gardios]

They should give us new 7*~9* rares that aren't completely garbage instead of releasing more 11*+ rares that you'll never get even if you sacrifice a dozen goats rappies. ಠ_ಠ

[UnLucky]

Sega has said it themselves. The lv 70 Falz Elder has a +100% rare drop boost.

One of my teammates got an Orochiagito.
That's shown when selecting the quest, which means it's considerably less than double drop rate since it stacks additively with boosters.

If lv70 Falz were released as a regular random EQ, instead of strictly after Quna calling him over, then that +100% RDR would probably disappear.

What's more important is the innate drop rate of Elder himself, by nature of being lv70 with a new tier on the drop table.

[The Walrus]

They should give us new 7*~9* rares that aren't completely garbage instead of releasing more 11*+ rares that you'll never get even if you sacrifice a dozen goats rappies. ಠ_ಠ

But then you would have no incentive to keep playing :3

GOTTA KEEP THEM COMING BACK TO FARM FOR THINGS THEY'LL NEVER GET

:/

[Dark Priest]

But then you would have no incentive to keep playing :3

GOTTA KEEP THEM COMING BACK TO FARM FOR THINGS THEY'LL NEVER GET

:/

Except that now every untekked wand will now be false hope and trick you into thinking it's a magical piece instead of the inevitable hexagraph that it actually is.

[pkemr4]

has anyone actually bothered to hack into the server to find out the drop rates for shit?

[angrysquid]

I DC'ed 5 times during that EQ, everytime I entered the battle field

[Meji]

So far I've killed the LV70 Falz 8 times on different characters.
With everyone running on 250% and Premium Drink, the outcome so far has been 2 Elfer Rifles.

Ah, well. At least I have something to bet all of my ExCubes on now.

[Tenlade]

has anyone actually bothered to hack into the server to find out the drop rates for shit?

it's pretty impossible to do that, previous games could just check the data from offline versions for drop rate, but this game has all that data server side, even for the vita version, so there's no way to obtain it.

[Macman]

I'd hate to say I told you so but... :wacko:

I MIGHT do Falz for bingo and that's about it.

[Ce'Nedra]

Except that now every untekked wand will now be false hope and trick you into thinking it's a magical piece instead of the inevitable adaman that it actually is.

I still hope mine turn out to be a Elysion but no luck so far ._. (also fixed for you)

[isCasted]

One word: sigh.

[UnLucky]

I still hope mine turn out to be a Elysion but no luck so far ._. (also fixed for you)
I didn't even bother to pick up untekked wands before Elysion's potential was fixed so I never had false hope

[Shinamori]

So, I heard lv70 arms drops 11*..

[rashoood]

I got the new 12* gunslash. It seems to have regen HP latent potential.

I really hoped for the 12* katana but the game just doesn't give you the weapon you want XD

[Coatl]

Has anyone confirmed the wand's latent being 50% dmg to charged techs yet?

[Ratazana]

Seems to be 2%, 4%, 6%.

[Bellion]

Man, all of these percentages are all over the place. The game should give me one so that I can confirm it in less than 30 damn minutes for all of the percentages per level.

[pkemr4]

hope someone makes a youtube video showing what 12* grinding is like for lvl 3 latent

[TaigaUC]

So, I heard lv70 arms drops 11*..

That's what I want to know.
Someone said they got an Elder Rod from arms, another said they got the 11 star twin daggers. I may have gotten a Fal Claw (I likely mixed up the SWs).

[Ratazana]

That's from the wiki right? I don't see mention of arms dropping 11 anywhere else.

[Shinamori]

Someone on my team said they say it on the JP comments.

[TaigaUC]

Yeah, the swiki.
There's a pretty high probability of people getting it mixed up.
But there's also a high probability of nobody noticing because it seems like most people ignore Arms' drops nowadays.

[Ratazana]

Really? In my runs everyone was running around with nyoibou grabbing all the crap

[TaigaUC]

In my runs probably 3/4 just went straight into the teleporter.

Well, I'm going to assume Arms doesn't drop stuff because Ratazana didn't see any info elsewhere, and I need mah exps.

[Shinamori]

I've done multiple Arms and still not Falz Katana, so hey. Heck, last time I got a Elder Fist was like 2 months ago.
I see "ニレンカムイドロップ -- 2014-02-12 (水) 22:48:40 New!" in the comment section under Falz Arms.

[pkemr4]

i havent got elder fist for 5-6 months lol

[Aine]

We'll know in 10 minutes anyway from the drop record. Doubt arm has anything new.

[TaigaUC]

Special Weapons don't show up on the drop record though, right?
What if they can only drop as SWs?

[Tenlade]

Does raging arms have its drop charts connected to the regular ones?
because 3200 10* elder fists in one day? Sounds boosted to me

[pkemr4]

11*'s dont drop from arms

[Tenlade]

They're not gonna boost arms's rates then not touch falz's.

[deahamlet]

No 11* on the records for arms

[pkemr4]

the arms are boosted and DF

[Gama]

so all you get is more of a fight and more exp, drops should be the same. i guess.

[Pugas87]

I've done multiple Arms and still not Falz Katana, so hey. Heck, last time I got a Elder Fist was like 2 months ago.
I see "ニレンカムイドロップ -- 2014-02-12 (水) 22:48:40 New!" in the comment section under Falz Arms.

I just got falz katana from arms. The 10star one. Didn't know they dropped anything.

[pkemr4]

5-20 of each 12*
100-200 for each 11*

yea the rates are shitty as always

[Shinamori]

Special Weapons don't show up on the drop record though, right?
What if they can only drop as SWs?

Yea special weapons doesn't show up on the drop lists.

[pkemr4]

the new falz 12*'s did show up.

forgot i had hide all menus when SS'ing so i cant post anything :|

[aphelion]

250 + 100 and not even a 10*.

SEGA should be renamed FU SEGA or FUSEGA.

[Tenlade]

5-20 of each 12*
100-200 for each 11*

yea the rates are shitty as always

thats one day , ie 1/7th of what the drop charts fully keep track of. Or do you people seriuosly expect level 70 falz's attacks to literally consist of him shitting rares out at you?

[Macman]

All those Celesta Lasers.


Dunno, there are surprisingly a large amount of people reporting 12-star drops on twitter and 2ch.

Anyway, got my 6th Motav, 25th 11-star on the second DF.

Does the law of averages even fucking exist in this game?

[KatsuraJun]

thats one day , ie 1/7th of what the drop charts fully keep track of. Or do you people seriuosly expect level 70 falz's attacks to literally consist of him shitting rares out at you?

to be fair people have like +500% rare boosts on, so... yeah, I kinda expect at least a few 10*s if we're comparing it to TD.

instead i got 3 mace of adamans.

i love you too falz.

[TaigaUC]

Got an Elder Rod. I think that's all.
Sweet!

A heads up: I noticed VH Falz is at level 60 instead of 50.
The VH groups were generally slow (~4 minutes a run).

[KuroNeko77]

Motav on my first run (without boost), Elder Rifle again on my 2nd run (250+100).

[pkemr4]

used 250% + 50% and all i got was shit 7-9*'s. thanks Based sega

[cheapgunner]

Does the law of averages even fucking exist in this game?

No it doesn't. Especially not for me. I almost wish Falz' 11-12* drops were boosted stupidly higher and rained 11*'s so I could realistically get one... >.>;.

[TaigaUC]

More like, why would you not wish that.

[Dnd]

2 normal 350% falzs, 1 boosted 400% falz, 2 boosted 450% falzs - one elder rod and one slot unit while seeing alot of people around me getting 11*s.. fun day

[Macman]

More like, why would you not wish that.
If you were a gifted savant and already had all the drops to yourself, and were a shithead and didn't want anyone else to have them. Boy I haven't heard of this mentality before.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

No it doesn't.

I second this. It seriously fucking doesn't.

[Alma]

Has anyone confirmed the wand's latent being 50% dmg to charged techs yet?


Seems to be 2%, 4%, 6%.



My dream has been crushed :cry:

.

[Rehal]

65 Elder in 1 week || 70 Elder in 1 day (2 times, with 100% rdr boost from event, also alot of peeps use 350rdr)
http://puu.sh/6Tt0o.jpg http://puu.sh/6TYOU.jpg

[Dnd]

So 11/12* drop rate hugely buffed, 10* and below small boosts? I can live with this

[Meji]

So, this time around, Falz decided that it would be a great idea to drop me both a Flame Visit and FalClaw.

From the same sphere.

I'm not sure what to feel.

[UnLucky]

+50% 10*s, +1000% 11*s, with more 12*s than once a week.

Yeah I guess I can deal

[gigawuts]

Oh look, how it should've been at release.

[MoronSonOfBoron]

I got a rock.

[Arksenth]

I got a rock.

I got SIX rocks with a 350% booster!

HAHAHAHA I'M THEREFORE BETTER THAN YOU AT THIS GAME BECAUSE I GET MORE DROPS.

:wacko:

[UnLucky]

omfg i got 3 fml orz /quit /wrists >format c:\

[Horo The Wise Wolf]

I just got a Guld Milla. 37 Light too.

Not bad...

[Kelwine]

Elder Rifle was my reward.

Alas, I am Braver.

My other experience was getting trolled hardcore by the arm. It got WB'd, so I'd run to hit it, it'd turn and fly to the other end. So I'd chase it. Then it'd move again. It did this about five times before I finally was able to hit it.

[Meji]

Can't wait to see how Horo's going to affix that newly found GM~ <3

[xxmadplayerxx]

ah it was fun got 5 12*s in one day!

[Z-0]

Just got the 11* bow from 60 Falz.

#0boosts

[Crystal_Shard]

As luck would have it, I'm extra busy this week(end). :P Not gonna be able to run Falz as much as I did on the first day.

Ran 3 characters through for the first Falz last night, with one DC on my first run, followed by 5 characters for the one following after and got a grand total of 1 Elder Fist and 2 Elder units even with most of them on 350% RDR boosters. The one character on premium got extra junk as her reward thanks to premium boost (as well as that Elder Fist).

RL RNG mirroring PSO2 RNG? :P

[Mysterious-G]

And this is why I wish some people on here wouldn't be so fast to make assumptions all the time.

[Ce'Nedra]

So, this time around, Falz decided that it would be a great idea to drop me both a Flame Visit and FalClaw.

From the same sphere.

I'm not sure what to feel.

Well fuck you :3 That's a first I hear someone get 2 11* from one crystal

So in general it is slightly better on drops or its just people stack 350% on to of the already 100% boost. Will see what happens when I finally get to play it this weekend.

[Zeota]

It could very well be both, though I still believe this uptick is just the result of people going nuts with boosters on top of the bonus. And let's not forget the folks who do multiple Elder fights.

[gigawuts]

Which is why we need to do relative comparisons, preferably with 6*s (since I doubt they received a boost of any kind).

Subtract 6/7ths of everything's old droprates from the new droprates, then scale the result down so the 6*s match 1/6th of their old droprates.

It's purely an approximation and completely ignores boosts, however it's still something.

You can then feel free to scale down so the 10*s match, but I'd go with 1/6th * 1.25 myself, to account for 1 new drop table to draw items from.

[jooozek]

0 10*, fuck that shit

[pkemr4]

ran 400% boost. got jack shit.

[BIG OLAF]

And this is why I wish some people on here wouldn't be so fast to make assumptions all the time.

This is in reference to what...?

[Ezodagrom]

This is in reference to what...?
People saying that drop rates of lvl 70 Falz were nearly the same as lvl 65 after 1 run, I think?

[Ciel~Homura]

Mining base defense has ended
me = 0 ★11 ~ ★12

DF 70 has begun
me 4th run = 0 ★11 ~ ★12 , 1 ★10

3rd & 4th run = Temptation + 4 Lucky rise I , 250+100 + Premium boost

Those that already got it wouldn't understand...

[Coatl]

Wouldn't lv70 Falz just have another loot table to roll at the end of every crystal break? You'd roll for N H VH SH and lv70 falz's new drops, so it would make sense if the rates for everything but the new *12s were increased.

[milranduil]

Wouldn't lv70 Falz just have another loot table to roll at the end of every crystal break? You'd roll for N H VH SH and lv70 falz's new drops, so it would make sense if the rates for everything but the new *12s were increased.

Except the new gunslash has the highest drop rate it seems for 12*s :wacko:

[gigawuts]

Except the new gunslash has the highest drop rate it seems for 12*s :wacko:

The gunslash is the highest and the god hand is the lowest.

Sega pls.

[Coatl]

Except the new gunslash has the highest drop rate it seems for 12*s :wacko:

Well yes, I believe each individual rare has its own chance of dropping within its own table. For example, I believe the psychowand is in 3 loot tables, the VH, SH and lv70 drop list. But even if it has three chances of getting picked in the tables, and the gunslash only one table, the gunslash might have a much higher individual drop rate.

Or for short.. Psychowand drop rate .0001^100 x3 vs Gunslash drop rate .01^100 x1.

[pkemr4]

if they removed 1*-9* N/H/VH/SH crap from lvl 70/ultimate falz his rates would be even higher.

[Tenlade]

If you need proof its boosted, just compare to the original super falz we got.

Original Utterly profound
[SPOILER-BOX]
http://i.imgur.com/mzlWjVp.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

Its worth noting that after a week of people spamming rare drop boosts, it did not break 100 on most of the 11* equipment. (you can tell its a full week's worth since the elder soul affix dropcount is maxed.)

the new falz broke 200 its first day with just 2 appearances, its boosted guys.

[TaigaUC]

Well, I got an Elysion... on my friend's Ranger/Gunner account.
None of my characters got anything *weeps*

I ran my friend's characters through for them because they aren't around.
Well, I guess they could sell it to me when they become tradable.

[Coatl]

the new falz broke 200 its first day with just 2 appearances, its boosted guys.

Making a conclusion without acknowledging confounding variables in data such as

1. Population increase in playerpase
2. Accessability of excubes (and thus 250% boosts) since the release of TD.
3. Everyone receiving a free additional character since then, thus potentially increasing the chance of everyone getting something good by 100%.

[Ce'Nedra]

Making a conclusion without acknowledging confounding variables in data such as

1. Population increase in playerpase
2. Accessability of excubes (and thus 250% boosts) since the release of TD.
3. Everyone receiving a free additional character since then, thus potentially increasing the chance of everyone getting something good by 100%.

There is also people like me who run with 4 chars (though not using boosters aside LR).

Its hard to tell if its really booster or not.

[ShinMaruku]

And this is why I wish some people on here wouldn't be so fast to make assumptions all the time.

People tend to be fucking idiots. :P

[relentless]

I got an Elder Rod. I miss TD.

[jooozek]

if they removed 1*-9* N/H/VH/SH crap from lvl 70/ultimate falz his rates would be even higher.

lol nope
the way drops work is that the server checks for each tier of drops for each slot, so you have the game first rolling for 12*, then 11*, then 10* and so on; was detailed ages ago in some mag/guidebook

[Coatl]

lol nope
the way drops work is that the server checks for each tier of drops for each slot, so you have the game first rolling for 12*, then 11*, then 10* and so on; was detailed ages ago in some mag/guidebook

Yes, I was going to say something along these lines too but didn't have the source on hand. If you're not getting a *12, you're getting a meseta. All the meseta on the ground, they are "coulda-been" *12s , *11s and *10s.

EDIT:
Well not all of the meseta can be actually. I believe the meseta from the arms you break from Elder can't be anything but *10 units.

[Tenlade]

here's a comparison of vh's falz that same week
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/POumZJj.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

compare to what was posted of this week's current falz earlier in the thread

65 Elder in 1 week || 70 Elder in 1 day (2 times, with 100% rdr boost from event, also alot of peeps use 350rdr)
[SPOILER-BOX]http://puu.sh/6Tt0o.jpg http://puu.sh/6TYOU.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

If that was the case we'd be seeing an exponetial increase in rate to the regular falz too, not even factoring that its a comparison to vh to sh, which would have a boost hoever minor.

These comparisons also automatically assume that today people would do every single falz run with multiple characters even after we got them(Let alone run multiple ones with a 250% boost), and that unboxed rares do not show up on the drop charts, meaning the ratio to new falz's rares to the regular one is even bigger.

But it still wont be as big as mining base's drop rate, so feel free to whine about it.

[Zeota]

EDIT:
Well not all of the meseta can be actually. I believe the meseta from the arms you break from Elder can't be anything but *10 units.
Yeah I remember that about the arms too, which is why I laugh at people that pitch a fit about breaking them. Not to say one *shouldn't* do so, but still not worth having an aneurysm over.

[relentless]

EDIT:
Well not all of the meseta can be actually. I believe the meseta from the arms you break from Elder can't be anything but *10 units.

Doesn't that mean there's not much point to breaking the arms at all?

[BIG OLAF]

Doesn't that mean there's not much point to breaking the arms at all?

Correct! It makes absolutely no difference (since the Elder units suck anyway).

[TaigaUC]

Elder units are good for Photon Spheres!

[gigawuts]

Elder units are good for Photon Spheres!

20% of a photon sphere, anyway

[Aine]

so I got my fifth guld milla today
boxed, light 37

[gigawuts]

You are an inspiration to dice rollers everywhere.

[aphelion]

Got a 10* unit from falz this morning. FUSEGA

If Falz gets enraged after hearing Quna/Kuna sing, can we expect her concert only at the specified times or will she do impromptu shows?

I say we sacrifice her to lvl 70 falz for increased 12* drop chances.

[jooozek]

its only scheduled

[pkemr4]

lol nope
the way drops work is that the server checks for each tier of drops for each slot, so you have the game first rolling for 12*, then 11*, then 10* and so on; was detailed ages ago in some mag/guidebook


Yes, I was going to say something along these lines too but didn't have the source on hand. If you're not getting a *12, you're getting a meseta. All the meseta on the ground, they are "coulda-been" *12s , *11s and *10s.

EDIT:
Well not all of the meseta can be actually. I believe the meseta from the arms you break from Elder can't be anything but *10 units.

wha-....?

[Sayara]

If i were falz i'd be enraged too hearing her awful songs over and over.

I did 1 falz at 70. 1. Only 1. Got 5 rares (to which only 1 elder rod)

[gigawuts]

I refuse to use anything more than a 50% rare drop ticket on these falzes. If that means I don't find a 12* well I just don't know how I'm going to live with myself.

[aphelion]

its only scheduled

Well, that sucks.

[Ciel~Homura]

Doesn't that mean there's not much point to breaking the arms at all?

Correct! It makes absolutely no difference (since the Elder units suck anyway).


No !! you got lower chances to get a rares if all the arms are not broken before DF died and it is not only ★10 units but also included all that ★11 ~ ★12 from him.

http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AF%E3%83%95%E3% 82%A1%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B9%E3%83%BB%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AB %E3%83%80%E3%83%BC

http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%89%E3%83%AD%E3%83%83%E3%83%97%E6% 9D%A1%E4%BB%B6%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A8%E3%82%81

I also found some information about DF arms somewhere too but it was too old and i am not certain about the information but...
IF all the arms ( except 2 of it lower arms ) not broken before it died there is no chances of ★11 ~ ★12 at all.

[pkemr4]

No !! you got lower chances to get a rares if all the arms are not broken before DF died and it is not only ★10 units but also included all that ★11 ~ ★12 from him.

http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AF%E3%83%95%E3% 82%A1%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B9%E3%83%BB%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AB %E3%83%80%E3%83%BC

http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%89%E3%83%AD%E3%83%83%E3%83%97%E6% 9D%A1%E4%BB%B6%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A8%E3%82%81

I also found some information about DF arms somewhere too but it was too old and i am not certain about the information but...
IF all the arms ( except 2 of it lower arms ) not broken before it died there is no chances of ★11 ~ ★12 at all.

this cant be true...

[Dnd]

No !! you got lower chances to get a rares if all the arms are not broken before DF died and it is not only ★10 units but also included all that ★11 ~ ★12 from him.

I also found some information about DF arms somewhere too but it was too old and i am not certain about the information but...
IF all the arms ( except 2 of it lower arms ) not broken before it died there is no chances of ★11 ~ ★12 at all.

Um, that's BS on the grounds that I got guld milla with 3 arms left to break in SH. A friend got his with 2 arms left to break in SH. And just recently another friend got his GM with an arm remaining to break on boosted lv70 elder

[gigawuts]

I've heard of people finding 11*s without breaking any arms at all - just zerging the core and killing it in the first phase with sheer DPS. You know, as a normal thing they do as a team.

Actually, I think that's how Evilmag found his Eli Scion.

[Aine]

You are an inspiration to dice rollers everywhere.

just sayin' i think these drop rates are pretty decent

judging from reports by team members and other sources i'd guess you have as good a chance of getting a 12-star from this DF as you did of getting an 11-star from the old DF

[gigawuts]

I want to say that that's how it always should have been, but honestly I'd rather say they also should have been tradeable while I'm at it.

But yeah, it's a significant improvement. I've still only ever seen 5 individuals with Psycho Wands, and 2 individuals with Ely Scions. That's just dumb. I can get having absurdly rare, 1 in a million droprate items, but if they're account bound too then it's just moronic.

Either more common, or something you can trade away for a small fortune - without this trading pass shenaniganry. Obviously they're not going for the latter, so the former will have to do.

[EvilMag]

Just pointing this out that one of devs said in some magazine that breaking arms only affects units. Let me trying digging it up.

[Walkure]

I really doubt that it's true, since there was a dev mention of drop mechanics on falz, but a couple of anecdotes doesn't equal data.

[Aine]

This is pretty old but these drop tables clearly show the only thing you get from arms is units (or meseta if you fail the drop checks):

[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/pow5mWe.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[Ciel~Homura]

I am not certain myself and we can discuss with an information from a reliable sources.
But all ppl i know of always break all DF arms before it died and they did got the ★11 ~ ★12 rares.

@EvilMag :: Yes , please do and thanks alot

@Aine :: That is very interesting !! Can you please tell me what book or text is that from ?

[UnLucky]

People saying that drop rates of lvl 70 Falz were nearly the same as lvl 65 after 1 run, I think?
They could be 100 times better and an 11* would still be so rare you could easily never get one.

And it still wouldn't be as good as TD

[Walkure]

Falz is better because I don't need to wake up at 5-6 in the morning to fight him with EQ schedules.

[Saffran]

>IF all the arms ( except 2 of it lower arms ) not broken before it died there is no chances of ★11 ~ ★12 at all.

That's not true. We had several 11 stars yesterday although we didn't get all the arms.

The things you linked to also confirmed that the drops from the main body are not linked at all to the drops of the arms, and that the arms themselves only add the units to the pool.

It doesn't change the fact that if you see everybody going for the arms, common sense and decency would dictate you go with the flow, espescially if people specifically ask you to stop attacking the core or the lowest arms. If you're so adamant that breaking the arms is a waste of time, make a private room and solo the boss instead of parasiting a public MPA.

[UnLucky]

Falz is better because I don't need to wake up at 5-6 in the morning to fight him with EQ schedules.

But DF is at the same time, no wait, 30m later

Other than the few throughout the day, which TD had as well (and could pop randomly).

[Walkure]

But DF is at the same time, no wait, 30m laterIt's almost all chocolate at that range for this week, and I'm more than perfectly fine with sleeping through that.

And I swear random TD is way more rare than random Falz, although the couple of ones I've ran into on ship10 were typically right at the start of a lecture anyways.

[UnLucky]

Huh, TD was at 11pm JST for weeks

And random DF can't be lv70

[Saffran]

BTW, did you see the drops for yesterday?
When I checked in, there were like 27 of the new 12 star gunslash. Least dropped was (IIRC) 8 Psycho Wands. Most 11 stars were in the 3 digits. (only checked SH). That's a lot better than usual, isn't it?

[Tenlade]

Hey speaking of dark falz, has anyone noticed the uh, frequent appearance of the regular falz on ship2 since yesterday? Frequently as in I have not seen a non-falz unscheduled EM since. Is this just really weird luck for ship 2 or did sega break something?

[jooozek]

luck? more like misery
i didnt run TD for good 3 days

[pkemr4]

lvl 65 and 70 df arms and elder item drop records arent shared i think :L

[UnLucky]

I am AFK right now in a SH block

that's how much I care about DF

[The_Brimada]

All I get is untekked rifles. Elder Rifles >_>

[Reiketsu]

Hey speaking of dark falz, has anyone noticed the uh, frequent appearance of the regular falz on ship2 since yesterday? Frequently as in I have not seen a non-falz unscheduled EM since. Is this just really weird luck for ship 2 or did sega break something?

I already wish the Boosted Falz shit was over. Having two scheduled ones in a row yesterday was already terrible enough, but then two regular Falz following that...
If it's gonna be like this for a while now, there's even less of a reason to log in <_>;

*looks at EQ schedules for tomorrow*

Okay, I'd still rather have four Falz in a row than four Chocolate EQs...

[Macman]

Literally gotten nothing but meseta and stones from "super" falz so far.

I'm not impressed.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Same old same old.

Wtb more tower defense/any EQs as interesting and rewarding as tower defense.

[Kikikiki]

Of course they'd schedule a shitload of Choc*cklate instead of Super Falz on a 50% rare boost day. Haha, who am I looking at.

Well at least I can hope for a Lv16 Impact Slider.

[IndigoNovember]

Got a Motav Prophecy as a GU/RA from the really early scheduled Falz. When's SEGA going to add a troll 7* Talis to Falz?

[UnLucky]

Also if you missed the earlier scheduled Falz, there won't be another one under 50% RDR today since Elder is after midnight JST

[MetalDude]

Welp, at least some reason to get my alt to 65/65 since I'm nearly 65 x7 on my main.

But damn this is gonna get old fast.

[Tenlade]

does the 50% drop chance even stack with the quest's 100% drop chance boost? wouldnt one just overide the other?

[Macman]

I think there's been times where a daily boost stacked with a scheduled area boost. They just added together.

[Kikikiki]

does the 50% drop chance even stack with the quest's 100% drop chance boost? wouldnt one just overide the other?

They do. There will be only one icon, but it should show as 150%. Albeit time-slot boosts stacking with daily ones.

[Saffran]

Well, having several runs of the Valentine Day quest on Valentine Day is kind of logical though...

I've just missed a TD, too. I hate my luck sometimes.

[Ce'Nedra]

luck? more like misery
i didnt run TD for good 3 days

Try my streak of 2 weeks.

But yeah non stop falz is kinda annoying. At least its good exp for these who have a alt or other class to level I guess.

[Zorafim]

I should be using this to level. I won't, but I should.

[TaigaUC]

It's funny how the server is lagging so badly that we don't even see the rank screen anymore.
This is some terrible lag.

Elder's arms break more than 10 seconds after we destroy them.

[aphelion]

500% bonus and not even a 10* weapon, again. FUSEGA

[TaigaUC]

I was going to say I got nothing but an Elder Rod.

Then I noticed an Elysion sitting on my main Force.
Almost vendored it. Didn't even notice I picked it up.

Now, why does it require so much SATK to equip...

[UnLucky]

'nother lv70 Falz, no 10*s

I think I got an Elder Rod from all of this so far.

Oh, and that katana from arms.

[jooozek]

same here, no 10*
feel like an idiot for popping a booster

[Arksenth]

I just popped one 350% booster on my alt to do arms once and then rush into Falz. It should last the entire week, so I'm not too miffed if nothing comes out of it.

[TaigaUC]

I've been using +380% boosts on half of my characters.
I really hate not being able to use those characters until the tickets run out.
The most I'd do is TA though.

That Arms Katana is rare as hell. Still haven't seen a single one drop.

[pkemr4]

it has to be fairly common for it be at 1-2 mil ungrinded

[Emp]

My first lvl 70 run ever was today. My mpa didnt manage to break all the arms. I blame it all on the guy who kept dying. I think he died like 4 or 5 times.

[Inazuma]

I was going to say I got nothing but an Elder Rod.

Then I noticed an Elysion sitting on my main Force.
Almost vendored it. Didn't even notice I picked it up.

Now, why does it require so much SATK to equip...

Oh yay. You got your Elysion. Now you need to change your whole character around to take advantage of it.

[ShinMaruku]

RNG gonna RNG.

[TaigaUC]

it has to be fairly common for it be at 1-2 mil ungrinded

It was 3m+ before the Falz event.
I think it may not be a popular weapon compared to other katanas.


Oh yay. You got your Elysion. Now you need to change your whole character around to take advantage of it.

I have to wait for the grind/affix events or update before I can use any 11 stars.
Nowhere near enough money at the moment.

[Lamiaaaa]

my latest experience was a room of 7 other people activating the teleporter early and then getting stomped on for 20 minutes til the timer ran out

sadly I was maining techs at the time

it's like super falz points out worser players that have no idea how to dodge or block, falz is the most telegraphing boss ever, but then again there are those arms that do the cheapass pain train like EVERY single run

[Z-0]

Pain Train is 100% avoidable if you stand on the spawn point. It will go around you.

[infiniteeverlasting]

Pain Train is 100% avoidable if you stand on the spawn point. It will go around you.

do you mean when the falz hands go all human centipede on eachother???

[Atmius]

It was 3m+ before the Falz event.
I think it may not be a popular weapon compared to other katanas.

That partly lies in the "pure stat mag" mindset. It requires 435 dex, which is only possible without additional SP investment at 65/65 br/hu on female human, female dewman and cast/caseal.

So a lot of people just can't equip it. That and it's not that visually appealing.

[TaigaUC]

Yeah, I didn't list the reasons. The stat requirement is one of them.
There are just much better alternatives. I think a lot of people have the non 10-star version.
It doesn't look much different, has the same latent, and gets pretty decent stats with crafting.
Not to mention being able to make it multiple class.

What I hate about the Arms snake is that it wastes so much damn time.

[Exiled_Gundam]

Pain Train is 100% avoidable if you stand on the spawn point. It will go around you.

Until Falz do the hands drop at the said spawn point, at the same time as the train :P

[Enforcer MKV]

Until Falz do the hands drop at the said spawn point, at the same time as the train :P

Does 70 Falz do that now?

Oh, that's delicious. xD

[TaigaUC]

He's always done that. Throws balls too.

[btw-Niji]

Does 70 Falz do that now?

Oh, that's delicious. xD
Falz always did this and it's pretty bs...

[KatsuraJun]

He's always done that. Throws balls too.

Yep.

>mfw he throws a meteor, ices the entire party, and then dropped 2 hands and killed us all.

Good thing there are some people who run to the sides of the map instead of the spawn point, they ressed most of the people who died. That was bloody hilarious though. Almost as funny as the time everyone stood at the wrong place for paintrain because one guy stood slightly off center and everyone grouped on him - nearly everyone except two people got oneshot by the train.