12* items

[fay]

Are these able to be traded if both players have premium? I don't think they used to be able to, but a team member just told me we should. Just need a definite answer before I buy someone premium lol.

Also, are lv16 disks tradable between 2 players with premium?

[Arksenth]

nope

and nope

nice try though

[fay]

Sigh. Account bound items are the most stupid thing ever. I can actually understand for free play, but with premium you should definitely be able to trade anything.

[UnLucky]

You'll eventually be able to buy 12*s with 12* passes

[pkemr4]

You'll eventually be able to buy 12*s with 12* passes

lets hope not.

[Skyly HUmar]

You'll eventually be able to buy 12*s with 12* passes

just as soon as 13+* weps come and make 12*s pointless.

[Shadowth117]

lets hope not.

You know about how those items were searchable in the player shops for a bit right? 12-15* passes.

[BIG OLAF]

lets hope not.

But you will, so yeah.

[Arksenth]

12* weapons are mostly just for bragging rights at this stage anyway - with the elements being stuck as they are unless you have absolute god-tier RNG, they're far weaker than 11*s - especially since they don't really have any special latents that would justify their use, like the Falz 11*s did.

So meh, I'm fine with them not being tradeable for now. They're just trophies is all.

[UnLucky]

How else am I going to 50% my Psycho Wand without trading?

12*s are worthless

[landman]

I still want my trophy on my room.... some day -.-

[Arksenth]

Find a friend with said trophy item, get them to install the hologram in your room, tell everyone in your team "no, I have it, I just don't have the stats to equip it and there's no practical situation I'd use a 26 element 12* anyway."

IT'S PRACTICALLY THE SAME AS HAVING THE ACTUAL WEAPON.

[gigawuts]

Find a friend with said trophy item, get them to install the hologram in your room, tell everyone in your team "no, I have it, I just don't have the stats to equip it and there's no practical situation I'd use a 26 element 12* anyway."

IT'S PRACTICALLY THE SAME AS HAVING THE ACTUAL WEAPON.

It's better actually, since you have no obligation to grind a 12*.

[UnLucky]

The hologram doesn't even show off the stats on the damn thing.

Whether it's 50% 8s +40 or completely naked doesn't matter.

[Arksenth]

I think it's actually kind of terrible to get a 12* weapon because it drops from DFE and you're like "OMG LOOK AT THIS" and feel all blessed, and then the next minute it hits you that you now have a useless piece of trash that will just take up a slot in your storage until 12* trading passes come, and then it's going to get insta-passed along with one of the other 8 12*s you get that week when they bump up rates, in exchange for something 50 element that's unevitably going to be better latent-wise.

[Shinamori]

The only useful 12* in my opinion will be Orochi Agito.


lets hope not.

People said the same thing about 11*s, and probably the same thing about 10*s

[Rakurai]

The 12* star rifle is good as well, since it has the Standing Snipe latent, which is perfect for Satellite Cannon spamming.

Everything other then that and the Orochi Agito seems rather lacking.

[gigawuts]

I love how they gave the yas shotgun standing snipe, and the yas rifle zero range advance.

???

[Zipzo]

Look at all these excuses to not care about not getting a 12*.

GIMME ELY SION, NAO.

[Coatl]

You think they'll ever fix that problem? Having the highest rarity weapons being useless because of how inaccessible they are tied with how necessary element grinding is, is a really broken system.

I don't care if they don't fix *12s, they all suck anyway for the most part ('cept agito). But I'm worried about *13s falling to the same fate.

[Cyron Tanryoku]

TMG has shitty 12 stars, I don't care for them
[SPOILER-BOX]:wacko:[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Arksenth]

TMG has shitty 12 stars, I don't care for them
[SPOILER-BOX]:wacko:[/SPOILER-BOX]

i actually had to check the wiki to see what the 12* TMG was

because i give that much of a fuck about them

troll'd

[UnLucky]

You think they'll ever fix that problem? Having the highest rarity weapons being useless because of how inaccessible they are tied with how necessary element grinding is, is a really broken system.

I don't care if they don't fix *12s, they all suck anyway for the most part ('cept agito). But I'm worried about *13s falling to the same fate.

Yeah, 11*s were shit when they first came out, too.

Only one worth trying for was the XQ trade in Talis, but that's only because element did fuck all for techs. Unless you wanted to do twice as many runs by buying everyone's passes on the entire ship.

Well I guess some all-class 11*s were good because those weapon types had really really bad all-class variants. So you didn't need 50% to surpass low end 7*s.

They absolutely need a way to element grind something with lower rarity weapon fodder. Obviously make them give less than same-rarity, or something as simple as inversely proportional Synthesizer costs (like 10x as many using a 1* vs a 10*).

Or hell, just let those booster tickets work on their own, or put fake weapons in the AC scratch that enable element grinds.

[Macman]

Nope, go find two Psycho Wands and hope they have matching elements.

[jooozek]

Nope, go find two Psycho Wands and hope they have matching elements.

thats why vraolets exist :sleepy:

[fay]

I really want the psycho wand. The potential it has is amazing. It might not be that big a deal to most of you, but I feel I can hardly cast techniques because of the ridiculous low PP numbers. Some techs get cast 3 or 4 times and it's dry.
In the crafting tech section, I've been focusing on things that lower PP usage, even if it means reducing my damage. The only spells I feel comfortable using without running out of PP now are Zonde, Megid, Foie because of lowered PP. Honestly the Psycho wand gives a much necessary effect. I go techer sub class for the 40% recover rate and HP PP conversion and it's still not enough.

[Shinamori]

There will be better 12*, probably by the time we get 12* trading. They'll probably add a another TD-like quest or a EQ that drops Falz 12*s. But, I suspect that won't be towards until the end of the year.

[landman]

Find a friend with said trophy item, get them to install the hologram in your room, tell everyone in your team "no, I have it, I just don't have the stats to equip it and there's no practical situation I'd use a 26 element 12* anyway."

IT'S PRACTICALLY THE SAME AS HAVING THE ACTUAL WEAPON.

I had no idea, now I only need to find someone with a psychowand and nice enough not to steal a 10k FUN decoration. But I really wouldn't lie about the origin of it, I have yet to grind/afix a single weapon/unit in this game, my friends know I prefer to save and buy the finished thing :wacko:



They absolutely need a way to element grind something with lower rarity weapon fodder. Obviously make them give less than same-rarity, or something as simple as inversely proportional Synthesizer costs (like 10x as many using a 1* vs a 10*).


Maybe a craft that transforms a 10* into something similar to a 11* could be a solution.

[Walkure]

Or it could just use crafting materials as a way to boost attribute.

[gigawuts]

Or it could just use crafting materials as a way to boost attribute.

Good idea! Silvonia will be used for boosting 12* element.

[fay]

Has Falz drop rate changed? I've just saw 2 different people with psycho wand in the space of a day.

[Sizustar]

Still the same

[Shinamori]

Raging has a higher chance though. That's where I got mines.

[fay]

Guess it's just the game taunting me again then. I've been searching for a psycho wand since PSO1 and still hasn't happened...

[Daiyousei]

It might be harder to get now though, I either get 1 rare or none in my runs now, as people start speedkilling Falz instead.

[landman]

Because arms now drop weapons... yeah :rolleyes:

[Daiyousei]

I meant Elder, even when he gets shocked people still go attack the core to kill as fast as possible.

[RV29]

Wish I could get at least one 12* from Falz, I only got a 11* BB once, and that's it.

[Bellion]

I meant Elder, even when he gets shocked people still go attack the core to kill as fast as possible.

The thing is, killing it without breaking arms won't increase/decrease the chance of 10/11/12* weapon drops. The arms only contribute less than 100 meseta drops and units.

The main body of Elder drops the stuff you want and over 100+ meseta drops.

[Daiyousei]

I guess it's just my luck then, and there being less drops I got fewer chances at rolling rares.


Yup, and I still get people every now and then yelling at me for attacking the core...
I wonder how many blacklists I'm on...

I really don't mind at all, as my main reason for doing Falz is just EXP for classes. I don't even care about going after rares, fighting the RNG is futile.

[stroodle]

The thing is, killing it without breaking arms won't increase/decrease the chance of 10/11/12* weapon drops. The arms only contribute less than 100 meseta drops and units.

The main body of Elder drops the stuff you want and over 100+ meseta drops.

Yup, and I still get people every now and then yelling at me for attacking the core...
I wonder how many blacklists I'm on...

[Shinamori]

I meant Elder, even when he gets shocked people still go attack the core to kill as fast as possible.

Elder's main drops comes from his body though, so., yeah. Most people speed kill falz because a lot of people have more that like 3 characters.

[stroodle]

Elder's main drops comes from his body though, so., yeah. Most people speed kill falz because a lot of people have more that like 3 characters.
I have two characters, and one of them has been using the same RDB for quite a while, so that's another reason to kill fast.

[Coreven]

The arms only contribute less than 100 meseta drops

Huh, really. Nobody ever argued this before, there goes my reason of attacking the arms then.

[WildarmsRE5]

but then again, will this reasoning go to other players who still breaks the arms?

now that I know this, I'd rather YOLO the core with my WB but. . . how the hell do we spread this information to other players?

[Daiyousei]

but then again, will this reasoning go to other players who still breaks the arms?

now that I know this, I'd rather YOLO the core with my WB but. . . how the hell do we spread this information to other players?

probably over time, When people first told me about people attacking the core fast, my runs were still breaking the arms, and then gradually now I see 2-3 people, usually EN players doing it, which is my typical runs now.

And then the runs where one person is doing it, if everyone else is not attacking core, they will stop sometimes.

Edit: I really don't want to get yelled at, last time I contemplated about doing it while someone was doing it, 2 people in MPA chewed the heck out of that guy.

[Macman]

Technically the arms take more damage than the core, so it's better to attack those when you can. Just don't go all perfectionist over it.

[Shinamori]

I've seen JPs go ham on the core recently.

[gigawuts]

Lots of people stomp on the core because after like a year and a half of falz we're kind of tired of breaking arms to maybe find 1/5th of a photon sphere

I mean seriously guys they're units, you'll live without them

[Shinamori]

They're 1k in shops anyways.

[UnLucky]

Yeah just go buy all of those elder units to turn into photon spheres

[landman]

But you need tickets to buy the units, and you need units to get the tickets! buying a unit to get spheres is a waste of time and money lol

[Shinamori]

Please, you can get like 5 Nega Photons in TD. I probably need like 6 runs of TDs and I got 5 Photons Sphere worth.