Will connection Problems be fixed After Maintenance?

[MegaRocker1987]

What is everyones opinion? If it aint will anyone be using vpn's or just flat out quitting the game? I'd like to hear everyone's thought on this matter. :)

[Horo The Wise Wolf]

I doubt it.

[SakoHaruo]

What is everyones opinion?

Hand over your waifu and a new world awaits you. o3o

[n_n]

My sources say no.

[Railkune]

I'm on the fence. On one hand I want to believe, but on the other... eh.

[IndignationSWF]

No guarantees of course, but I am hopeful.
http://rappy-star.com/img/2012/05/shine_ss_000041.jpg

[Punisher106]

I hope so. Otherwise, blood will be spilled.

[BIG OLAF]

Nope, party's over. SEGA found an excuse to get rid of the people they've wanted to get rid of for years. They're loving the opportunity.

[MegaRocker1987]

Nope, party's over. SEGA found an excuse to get rid of the people they've wanted to get rid of for years. They're loving the opportunity.

If it is then i'm moving on to another game and ofc real life as well its as simple as that how about you guys? :)

[AlphaBlob]

My heart say yes but my brain say no.

[SakoHaruo]

Tues - Wed morning is going to be hilarious.


Oh man I have to prepare for this. o3o

[Sychosis]

No, my connection issue is ISP related. Unless SEGA bought out my ISP on the DL to unblock me personally, nothing is going to change.

[ashley50]

If it is then i'm moving on to another game its as simple as that how about you guys? :smile:

I've already moved on 4 weeks ago.

[Sanguine2009]

considering whenever i try to connect i dont even get out the country i doubt whatever sega does whether it allows others to play or not will allow me to, at least just yet

[Yamishi]

I HOPE UPON HOPE that we'll be back to normal, but I refuse to get my hopes up.

[The Walrus]

I don't expect it to change

[n_n]

If it is then i'm moving on to another game its as simple as that how about you guys? :)
Moving onto RL.

[MegaRocker1987]

Moving onto RL.

What he said. :)

[nanamin]

Weird thing is, if I tracert pso2.jp, my pings can't even leave the country.
If I ping ship 08, My pings reach all the way to Japan, then it enters an infinite loop.

Hmm, just maybe, maybe the maintenance would solve the issues.


Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\*****>tracert pso2.jp

pso2.jp [210.189.209.8] へのルートをトレースしています
経由するホップ数は最大 30 です:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 7 ms 6 ms 9 ms ***.comhem.se [80.216.****]
3 * 213.200.164.105 レポート: 宛先ネットワークに到達できません。

トレースを完了しました。

C:\Users\*****>tracert 210.129.209.106

210.129.209.106 へのルートをトレースしています。経由するホップ数は最大 30 です

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 7 ms 7 ms 13 ms ***.comhem.se [80.216.****]
3 11 ms 7 ms 18 ms 213.200.164.103
4 14 ms 14 ms 15 ms vrr-core-1-be105.net.comhem.se [213.200.163.223]
5 15 ms 14 ms 15 ms lib-core-1-be3.net.comhem.se [213.200.162.21]
6 32 ms 49 ms 27 ms 10ge16-1.core1.fra1.he.net [184.105.223.201]
7 40 ms 39 ms 49 ms 100ge5-2.core1.par2.he.net [72.52.92.13]
8 114 ms 117 ms 123 ms 10ge15-1.core1.ash1.he.net [184.105.213.93]
9 120 ms 122 ms 113 ms 100ge7-1.core1.nyc4.he.net [184.105.223.166]
10 172 ms 173 ms 181 ms 10ge10-3.core1.lax1.he.net [72.52.92.226]
11 190 ms 189 ms 191 ms pacnet.10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.lax1.he.net [216.218.223.206]
12 307 ms 307 ms 305 ms ip-202-147-0-52.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.52]
13 302 ms 298 ms 299 ms gi1-0-0.gw1.nrt5.asianetcom.net [202.147.0.178]
14 281 ms 279 ms 279 ms YHJ-0001.gw1.nrt5.asianetcom.net [203.192.150.178]
15 286 ms 287 ms 285 ms 203.141.47.218
16 280 ms 288 ms 286 ms ae2.tnhcr02.idc.jp [158.205.134.14]
17 * * * 要求がタイムアウトしました。
18 * * * 要求がタイムアウトしました。
19 * * * 要求がタイムアウトしました。
20 * * * 要求がタイムアウトしました。
21 437 ms 403 ms 370 ms 158.205.188.253
22 287 ms 289 ms 286 ms lag3.l303.ta1.eg.idc.jp [158.205.188.250]
23 293 ms 291 ms 289 ms 158.205.104.60
24 281 ms 283 ms 285 ms 158.205.104.49
25 288 ms 289 ms 292 ms 158.205.104.60
26 283 ms 281 ms 284 ms 158.205.104.49
27 290 ms 289 ms 289 ms 158.205.104.60
28 282 ms 290 ms 281 ms 158.205.104.49
29 289 ms 289 ms 289 ms 158.205.104.60
30 290 ms 282 ms 291 ms 158.205.104.49

トレースを完了しました。

C:\Users\******>

[MegaRocker1987]

Essentially ive gotten back into my ps3 which ive dusted off in the last 2 weeks and got back into Ragnarok Odyssey Ace and FF14 which in my opinion are better games overall to a certain extent. :)

[UnsentMadman]

I wouldn't expect the upcoming maintenance to have any real impact on the connection issues that so many non-JPers are experiencing.

I've mostly moved on; I do skim these forums on a daily basis, and do a quick tracert in order to see if anything has changed for myself (it hasn't, of course), but that's like 5-10 minutes of my time, usually.

[IndignationSWF]

Essentially ive gotten back into my ps3 which ive dusted off in the last 2 weeks and got back into Ragnarok Odyssey Ace and FF14 which in my opinion are better games overall to a certain extent. :)

I loved ROA, Worked up Swordsman and Assassin a lot.

[MegaRocker1987]

I loved ROA, Worked up Swordsman and Assassin a lot.

add me if ya like my psn is Bttf1987

[IndignationSWF]

add me if ya like my psn is Bttf1987

Sure, I'll add you when I get back to my PS3. :3

[Shinamori]

Xunno. I admit, I'll die a little inside.

[moorebounce]

I hope the maintenance will fix the connection issues but I doubt it. So far it seems we were blocked and SOJ just doesn't want to come out and say it. North Americans have all the evidence but we still need the confession from SOJ.

[Xaeris]

It's a possibility, but I doubt it. I'm about ready to throw in the towel on PSO2. It was a good ride.

[Xaelouse]

I dont know. I dont care.

[MegaRocker1987]

It's a possibility, but I doubt it. I'm about ready to throw in the towel on PSO2. It was a good ride.

agreed

[MegaRocker1987]

Although i think its fucked up on segas end to essentially let everyone play their game for two years then take money from them and then in the end drop the ban hammer on us all and basically say fuck you we got the last laugh, cause thats how it feels to me right now :/

[The Walrus]

Yeah well it's been in the ToS for almost 2 years. We're the ones who made the choice to play and spend money knowing this could happen.

I regret nothing.

[MegaRocker1987]

Yeah well it's been in the ToS for almost 2 years. We're the ones who made the choice to play and spend money knowing this could happen.

I regret nothing.

i see your point :) but still as u can see this is obviously based on what i'm seeing on bumped, reddit and on here its hurting a lot of people which is silly cause its just a game xD no offense to ya'll. so derpington im agreeing with ya 100%

[Xaeris]

We all knew the risk. Or should have, anyway.

[MegaRocker1987]

But TOS or not if sega didn't want us on there eventually they shouldn't have allowed any foreign traffic at all from the start / beta / launch day, period. :/ So in a nutshell if your'e do something like this to your fans then just block all foreign traffic from the start. Because if you let people get engrossed in your game then shut them out w/o a valid reason or explaination your'e just gonna piss em off more in the long run. :/

[GoldenFalcon]

Yeah well it's been in the ToS for almost 2 years. We're the ones who made the choice to play and spend money knowing this could happen.

I regret nothing.

But the lead of Sega said multiple times that they don't want to push away Phantasy Star fans (us) and they probably like the webmoney we give them

[The Walrus]

Wasn't it just Sakai who said that?

[pkemr4]

Weird thing is, if I tracert pso2.jp, my pings can't even leave the country.
If I ping ship 08, My pings reach all the way to Japan, then it enters an infinite loop.

Hmm, just maybe, maybe the maintenance would solve the issues.

just did what you did:
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\******>tracert 210.129.209.106

Tracing route to 210.129.209.106 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms modem [***.***.*.*]
2 41 ms 70 ms 72 ms va-**-***-***-*.dhcp.embarqhsd.net [**.***.***.*
]
3 189 ms 223 ms 159 ms tx-184-6-171-217.sta.embarqhsd.net [184.6.171.21
7]
4 62 ms 75 ms 80 ms 208-110-248-237.centurylink.net [208.110.248.237
]
5 65 ms 62 ms 63 ms dcx2-edge-01.inet.qwest.net [65.113.64.197]
6 70 ms 62 ms 71 ms dcp-brdr-04.inet.qwest.net [205.171.251.10]
7 77 ms 65 ms 61 ms 63.146.27.246
8 57 ms 57 ms * ae-9.r21.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.2
06]
9 168 ms 144 ms 166 ms ae-5.r21.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.1
82]
10 188 ms 150 ms 165 ms ae-0.r20.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.5
3]
11 257 ms 244 ms 260 ms ae-6.r20.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.1
3]
12 309 ms 331 ms 323 ms ae-19.r25.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.
213]
13 277 ms 282 ms 233 ms ae-1.r01.tokyjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.2
41]
14 236 ms 216 ms 237 ms xe-0-4-0-20.r00.tokyjp01.jp.ce.gin.ntt.net [61.1
20.145.50]
15 239 ms 244 ms 240 ms 203.141.47.218
16 271 ms 284 ms 298 ms ae2.tnhcr02.idc.jp [158.205.134.14]
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 316 ms 307 ms 299 ms 158.205.188.253
22 317 ms 295 ms 295 ms lag3.l303.ta1.eg.idc.jp [158.205.188.250]
23 262 ms 266 ms 278 ms 158.205.104.60
24 271 ms 282 ms 260 ms 158.205.104.49
25 290 ms 278 ms 257 ms 158.205.104.60
26 237 ms 245 ms 275 ms 158.205.104.49
27 251 ms 269 ms 268 ms 158.205.104.60
28 249 ms 232 ms 235 ms 158.205.104.49
29 280 ms 259 ms 269 ms 158.205.104.60
30 232 ms 227 ms 228 ms 158.205.104.49

Trace complete.

C:\Users\******>

that was my result

[Gardios]

For what it's worth, trying the same with ship 02 yields the same results.

[Shinji Kazuya]

just did what you did:
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\******>tracert 210.129.209.106

Tracing route to 210.129.209.106 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms modem [***.***.*.*]
2 41 ms 70 ms 72 ms va-**-***-***-*.dhcp.embarqhsd.net [**.***.***.*
]
3 189 ms 223 ms 159 ms tx-184-6-171-217.sta.embarqhsd.net [184.6.171.21
7]
4 62 ms 75 ms 80 ms 208-110-248-237.centurylink.net [208.110.248.237
]
5 65 ms 62 ms 63 ms dcx2-edge-01.inet.qwest.net [65.113.64.197]
6 70 ms 62 ms 71 ms dcp-brdr-04.inet.qwest.net [205.171.251.10]
7 77 ms 65 ms 61 ms 63.146.27.246
8 57 ms 57 ms * ae-9.r21.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.2
06]
9 168 ms 144 ms 166 ms ae-5.r21.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.1
82]
10 188 ms 150 ms 165 ms ae-0.r20.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.5
3]
11 257 ms 244 ms 260 ms ae-6.r20.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.1
3]
12 309 ms 331 ms 323 ms ae-19.r25.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.
213]
13 277 ms 282 ms 233 ms ae-1.r01.tokyjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.2
41]
14 236 ms 216 ms 237 ms xe-0-4-0-20.r00.tokyjp01.jp.ce.gin.ntt.net [61.1
20.145.50]
15 239 ms 244 ms 240 ms 203.141.47.218
16 271 ms 284 ms 298 ms ae2.tnhcr02.idc.jp [158.205.134.14]
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 316 ms 307 ms 299 ms 158.205.188.253
22 317 ms 295 ms 295 ms lag3.l303.ta1.eg.idc.jp [158.205.188.250]
23 262 ms 266 ms 278 ms 158.205.104.60
24 271 ms 282 ms 260 ms 158.205.104.49
25 290 ms 278 ms 257 ms 158.205.104.60
26 237 ms 245 ms 275 ms 158.205.104.49
27 251 ms 269 ms 268 ms 158.205.104.60
28 249 ms 232 ms 235 ms 158.205.104.49
29 280 ms 259 ms 269 ms 158.205.104.60
30 232 ms 227 ms 228 ms 158.205.104.49

Trace complete.

C:\Users\******>

that was my result

pkemr4, you get the error 107 with the launcher? What about tracert on pso2.jp, what do you get there?

[the_importer_]

http://torontoemerg.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/4.gif?w=620

[Sanguine2009]

im getting a similar result, very interesting indeed

[moorebounce]

Oh Yeah we've been block from PSO2. I can go to any of the sites on SOJ's website except PSO2. I'm sure they'll say everything is working good after the maintenance but our connections will still be blocked.

All those in the JP region that are blocked will be fixed. We're stuck using pingzapper and the like to get connected until they block those too.

[MimiChan]

You are making it as Sega was a bad company that just, out of a whim, banned most of, if not all NA people from entering the server and how Sega is losing on a 'large' player base of paying customer.

You have to look at in on another perspective, that their server was attacked for almost a week (just imagine how many profit they lost that time, time constraints, pushed schedule, and overall headache from the fiasco)

Maybe the attacker originated from NA? Or at least he rerouted the attacks to come from NA anyway and blocking them seems to stabilize the server.

Remember, the NA block was not the cause, it was the effect.

[MegaRocker1987]

You are making it as Sega was a bad company that just, out of a whim, banned most of, if not all NA people from entering the server and how Sega is losing on a 'large' player base of paying customer.

You have to look at in on another perspective, that their server was attacked for almost a week (just imagine how many profit they lost that time, time constraints, pushed schedule, and overall headache from the fiasco)

Maybe the attacker originated from NA? Or at least he rerouted the attacks to come from NA anyway and blocking them seems to stabilize the server.

Remember, the NA block was not the cause, it was the effect.

i see your point and i do understand where your coming from but sega could've found a better course of action other than this >.> all this is doing is pissing off most of there foreign fan base. >.>

[GMG]

Well it certainly is looking grim at this time. Without a doubt if we can not get on tomorrow after maintenance it is a wrap for us.

If SEGAs solution to all this was to IP ban us all, then they let the DDOSers win. Damage was done and not only did SEGA lose money in the downtime but most damaging they have forced them to totally alienate and completely turn their back on a HUGE portion of their fan base.

The sad reality is we live in a world of grief and terrorism. While their company was a victim, WE the fans were victims ourselves and if its SEGA's only solution is to IP ban everyone outside of Japan permanently we have been doubly victimized.

Nowadays these type of things are commonplace that ALL online services have to deal with. I can only plead with SEGA that they can see the wisdom in this and not punish and dismiss loyal fans that wholeheartedly support them.

[MegaRocker1987]

Well it certainly is looking grim at this time. Without a doubt if we can not get on tomorrow after maintenance it is a wrap for us.

If SEGAs solution to all this was to IP ban us all, then they let the DDOSers win. Damage was done and not only did SEGA lose money in the downtime but most damaging they have forced them to totally alienate and completely turn their back on a HUGE portion of their fan base.

The sad reality is we live in a world of grief and terrorism. While their company was a victim, WE the fans were victims ourselves and if its SEGA's only solution is to IP ban everyone outside of Japan permanently we have been doubly victimized.

Nowadays these type of things are commonplace that ALL online services have to deal with. I can only plead with SEGA that they can see the wisdom in this and not punish and dismiss loyal fans that wholeheartedly support them.

agreed

[IndignationSWF]

For the sake of argument: If Sega did in fact IP ban us, they only hurt themselves in the end because people won't forget it'll be yet another strike against them with consumer confidence. Remember this isn't a localized issue.

[nanamin]

Well, you say HUGE, but I think PSO2 income is 95% based in Japan. And the Japanese customers are demanding for quality service. In other words, prevent future Ddos attacks. I think the most effective way for SEGA to prevent attacks is to block foreign connections. Sad, but we can't really do anything.

[MegaRocker1987]

For the sake of argument: If Sega did in fact IP ban us, they only hurt themselves in the end because people won't forget it'll be yet another strike against them with consumer confidence. Remember this isn't a localized issue.

word! :)

[pkemr4]

pkemr4, you get the error 107 with the launcher? What about tracert on pso2.jp, what do you get there?

i get the 107 error with launcher and 249 ingame with tweaker. it timeout after leaving router

[MegaRocker1987]

i get the 107 error with launcher and 249 ingame with tweaker. it timeout after leaving router

same for me xD

[GMG]

Well, you say HUGE, but I think PSO2 income is 95% based in Japan. And the Japanese customers are demanding for quality service. In other words, prevent future Ddos attacks. I think the most effective way for SEGA to prevent attacks is to block foreign connections. Sad, but we can't really do anything.

Im not gonna debate talking about money here and speculate on what SOJ makes off non JP customers.

But what can be said without a doubt is that PSO has a HUGE fan base outside of Japan and that is undeniable.

If we are all made to feel like second hand fans and that we do not matter then why should we care anymore about a series that does not care about whether we exist or not?

Sad but true, lord knows we been ignored long enough by SOA and mistreated for decades like a red headed stepchild.

I love SEGA and the PSO series but quite frankly I would like to feel like my support and fan-dom was appreciated.



And we have ALL seen other online services have to deal with DDOS attacks and the best solution is not block everyone out side immediate area and cut yourself off from further promoting your IP.

That is not the best sense....at all.

[AlphaBlob]

Can't wait a week from now when this whole IP ban argument on every thread is over... (I hope)

[PSchiZ]

Can't wait a week from now when this whole IP ban argument on every thread is over... (I hope)

Agreed

[Sp-24]

Im not gonna debate talking about money here and speculate on what SOJ makes off non JP customers.

But what can be said without a doubt is that PSO has a HUGE fan base outside of Japan and that is undeniable.

If we are all made to feel like second hand fans and that we do not matter then why should we care anymore about a series that does not care about whether we exist or not?

Sad but true, lord knows we been ignored long enough by SOA and mistreated for decades like a red headed stepchild.

I love SEGA and the PSO series but quite frankly I would like to feel like my support and fan-dom was appreciated.
You say that, yet you are still here after PSU happened.

[Sizustar]

Agreed

Might be easier if Meiji(Went to the Osaka live festa, had picture taken with Sakai), or Aida(Also living in Japan currently) or other users that are in Japan.
Call, or contact Sega, or even go to the next Live Festa and ask Sakai directly~
Instead of us all here just speculating.

[PSchiZ]

Might be easier if Meiji(Went to the Osaka live festa, had picture taken with Sakai), or Aida(Also living in Japan currently) or other users that are in Japan.
Call, or contact Sega, or even go to the next Live Festa and ask Sakai directly~
Instead of us all here just speculating.

But nobody is going to do that anyway...I sure don't feel the need to either. Who knows? Maybe someone might

All I cant do is sit back and wait

[MegaRocker1987]

But nobody here is going to do that anyway...I sure don't feel the need to either

All I cant do is sit back and wait

Waiting game is what all gotta play at this point :) But w/e happens, happens, it is what it is :)

[Shinamori]

Well, you say HUGE, but I think PSO2 income is 95% based in Japan. And the Japanese customers are demanding for quality service. In other words, prevent future Ddos attacks. I think the most effective way for SEGA to prevent attacks is to block foreign connections. Sad, but we can't really do anything.

Ip blocks aren't going to stop ddos.

[Zipzo]

Might be easier if Meiji(Went to the Osaka live festa, had picture taken with Sakai), or Aida(Also living in Japan currently) or other users that are in Japan.
Call, or contact Sega, or even go to the next Live Festa and ask Sakai directly~
Instead of us all here just speculating.

Sakai said he loves the foreign fans and appreciates the international appeal of the game when I asked, but this DDoS thing is a new ball game.

If the quality of service is actually being hampered by said foreigners? It doesn't matter how he feels, losses need to be cut for the integrity of the game. Judging by the range of ISPs that are having difficulty...it seems woefully apparent that the US may have been source of said attacks...

[nanamin]

It may not stop, but it will weaken ddos.

BTW I didn't even mention "IP block", it may be some other countermeasures that prevent ddos, and as a result stops us from connecting as well.

[Aquanos]

Ip blocks aren't going to stop ddos.

That's literary the funniest part about this situation.

[pkemr4]

if it helps i can sometimes reach 67.233.99.245

[Sp-24]

Ip blocks aren't going to stop ddos.
They aren't going to stop a DDoS in progress, though they can weaken it. But they sure are going to make one less likely if you limit the exposure of your regional service to just your region and cut off outside connections.

That's why they are often done preemptively, instead of over two years into a game's existence.

[Sizustar]

Sakai said he loves the foreign fans and appreciates the international appeal of the game when I asked, but this DDoS thing is a new ball game.

If the quality of service is actually being hampered by said foreigners? It doesn't matter how he feels, losses need to be cut for the integrity of the game. Judging by the range of ISPs that are having difficulty...it seems woefully apparent that the US may have been source of said attacks...

Hmm..Another possibility, based on Taiwan/Hong Kong situation.
An HK ISP originionally can't connect, error 247, but now can connect, from what I'm reading on their forum.
Apprantly, for the giant DDOS attack, that ISP had alot of BOT on their end, and the isp blocked it

[Jaquecz]

Might be easier if Meiji(Went to the Osaka live festa, had picture taken with Sakai), or Aida(Also living in Japan currently) or other users that are in Japan.
Call, or contact Sega, or even go to the next Live Festa and ask Sakai directly~
Instead of us all here just speculating.

Pretty sure we're all too lazy to do that.
Would need to rely on those already in japan.
#AIDAsaveus.

[MegaRocker1987]

Pretty sure we're all too lazy to do that.
Would need to rely on those already in japan.
#AIDAsaveus.

Lol xD

[Jaquecz]

So why is everyone saying IP block when we've got people in muricuh still able to connect normally.
Maintenance probably wont fix a thing for us, we'd have to wait until our Providers turn their heads and unblock pso2, if they ever do.

[Jaquecz]

Jaq is it really u? O.o

You mean the Level 30 something Braver cast thats in the celestial king team?
Yes.
It is I.
(Lol this is the 69th post, get it? because 69 is a position? HUE HUE HUE HUE HAR HAR HAR)

[MegaRocker1987]

You mean the Level 30 something Braver cast thats in the celestial king team?
Yes.
It is I.
(Lol this is the 69th post, get it? because 69 is a position? HUE HUE HUE HUE HAR HAR HAR)

its me dude your leader :) how ya been? pm me

[Gamemako]

Ip blocks aren't going to stop ddos.

Yes, but. If you're just filtering by IP address country code or somesuch nonsense, then it's obviously not going to do anything. Spoof and continue. What you can do, however, is go up the chain -- even if you can't identify where the traffic is coming from, blocking access from routers outside the designated region will indeed prevent attacks from reaching the server. That's where all the "backbone block" talk comes from.

[Sychosis]

They aren't going to stop a DDoS in progress, though they can weaken it. But they sure are going to make one less likely if you limit the exposure of your regional service to just your region and cut off outside connections.

This depends 100% on what type of attack was made. If this was a reflected attack, then no, no amount of IP blocks are going to help because the attacker is, for all intents and purposes, SEGA themselves.

What would help is if various telcom companies shut off their own traffic so as not to be complicit in an attack (and not choking out their own customers' bandwidth).

[Sp-24]

So why is everyone saying IP block when we've got people in muricuh still able to connect normally.
Maintenance probably wont fix a thing for us, we'd have to wait until our Providers turn their heads and unblock pso2, if they ever do.
Because we also have people completely unable to connect at all with no other logical explanation?

By the way, hundreds of ISPs all around the world blocking their customers' connections at the exact same second as when the game servers went up and then denying any involvement does not count as logical. In my subjective opinion, at least.

What would help is if various telcom companies shut off their own traffic so as not to be complicit in an attack (and not choking out their own customers' bandwidth).
And, obviously, they all did that simultaneously, right after Sega said that the DDoS is finally ceasing, right? And not at any moment before that, when the attack was actually going in full force?

Besides, my mobile ISP is also blocked from pso2.jp. And has been since the start. I can say with 100% certainty that it's impossible to use it for a DDoS, with the rates that they charge for traffic.

[Reyva]

omG I can connect to pso2.jp!

http://images.reyva.pw/zz.jpg

Cya guys in game! I'm just going to log in, play barbie for 30 mins and log off!

/540584054 thread talking about the same thing. Love it.

[GMG]

So why is everyone saying IP block when we've got people in muricuh still able to connect normally.
Maintenance probably wont fix a thing for us, we'd have to wait until our Providers turn their heads and unblock pso2, if they ever do.

Its not our providers considering that we could access the official website from the time they brought it back up after ddos to the time right before they brought servers back up.

That is not coincidence.

While is is weird that some are infrequently able to log in in some locations lets just hope thats because this is temp/ half ass block that SEGA plans on lifting after tomorrow maintenance.

Sega has put these measures in place dont kid yourself. I cannot blame them to get JP back up ASAP and to curb any remaining ddos.

But if we cant get back on tomorrow as SEGA starts compensation for those affected with premium services...then people are living in denial-land to think they are ever getting back on normally cause it was not all of our our IPs to block us simultaneously from official site right before servers went back up...trust me SEGA knows this.

[Cyclon]

Who knows, maybe they stumbled here to look at the general appreciation people in the US have of the game, and came to the conclusion none of us cared in the slightest anyway:D

Jokes aside, while I don't believe they're celebrating this incredible opportunity to get us filthy gaijins out of their beautiful servers, (okay, now jokes aside for real I guess), it does seem doubtful that in the current situation, they'll make the extra effort to get us back on the game, because they indeed have very little reason to.

I also never really thought of the maintenance as an opportunity for them to fix all of this, so I guess that's a no for me.

[Jaquecz]

Because we also have people completely unable to connect at all with no other logical explanation?

By the way, hundreds of ISPs all around the world blocking their customers' connections at the exact same second as when the game servers went up and then denying any involvement does not count as logical. In my subjective opinion, at least.

And, obviously, they all did that simultaneously, right after Sega said that the DDoS is finally ceasing, right? And not at any moment before that, when the attack was actually going in full force?

Besides, my mobile ISP is also blocked from pso2.jp. And has been since the start. I can say with 100% certainty that it's impossible to use it for a DDoS, with the rates that they charge for traffic.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35509080.jpg

No but seriously, there's still a chance thats what they did, probably not in perfect synchronization like
power rangers
super sentai
Kamen rider(s?)

But it's possible.

Just need to wait and see.
If It's not going to be fixed I'll just stick with pingzapper until It stops working permanently or we get an NA server.

[DS23]

We'll be able to connect again, you just have to Bo-Lieve!

[IndignationSWF]

We'll be able to connect again, you just have to Bo-Lieve!

Ha-Beeb eet!

[Jaquecz]

*Suddenly Needs to update game*
http://makeameme.org/media/created/oh-shit-i-c2n0lp.jpg

[Sychosis]

And, obviously, they all did that simultaneously, right after Sega said that the DDoS is finally ceasing, right? And not at any moment before that, when the attack was actually going in full force?

Besides, my mobile ISP is also blocked from pso2.jp. And has been since the start. I can say with 100% certainty that it's impossible to use it for a DDoS, with the rates that they charge for traffic.

Telcoms blocking traffic is precisely what may have caused the attacks to abate in the first place. It wouldn't have been simultaneous. The game was down for days. I'm unsure what point you're trying to make about your mobile carrier. It isn't like botmasters kindly ask you to join the botnet and offer to cover the charges.

As for the website going down at once, there could be any number of explanations. SEGA may have migrated it alongside their game servers so the whole shebang could benefit from DDoS protection. The blocked traffic would have then also affected the website. They may be trying some redirect magic which made them accidently the whole launcher. You'll have an easier time finding out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop than getting SEGA to tell you what voodoo they are working.

Now, I'm a bit of a cynic. I don't expect maintenance to solve anything and anyone hoping it will is setting themselves up for disappointment excepting a few cases. But I will have a good chortle if this was all a big misunderstanding blown out of proportion by PSOW's need to hang themselves with their own knotted panties.

[MegaRocker1987]

Tries to Log in with no luck then tries a vpn and then dcs again and then logs in one more time and....

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51898031.jpg

[IndignationSWF]

Tries to Log in with no luck then tries a vpn and then dcs again and then logs in one more time and....

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51898031.jpg

I'm so glad that Sega's taking a hands off approach to Atlus otherwise I'd be flipping my shit over this kind of thing.

[MegaRocker1987]

Tries to log in and then something approaches and says...

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51898228.jpg

[Jaquecz]

Just took a 630 to the face.
Since I've been removed from my PSO2 Trance I'm gonna mess around with my computer and break it trying to connect to the game normally.

[MegaRocker1987]

Just took a 630 to the face.
Since I've been removed from my PSO2 Trance I'm gonna mess around with my computer and break it trying to connect to the game normally.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51898945.jpg

[Jaquecz]

PSO2 takes up a helluva lot of space, like 30 gigs.
Reinstalling it because If I can't do that I would've been unable to play starting tomorrow.

[BIG OLAF]

There's no way the '1987' in this guy's name is when he was born.

Or maybe he just discovered image macros like two days ago.

Because, wow, junior.

[Gama]

ill hope yes.

[Jaquecz]

Sometimes people get the urge for pretty pictures.
Well I'm in the clear, already redownloading the setup.
Too bad it's going to take for-fucking-ever.

Who wants to discuss how one should refer to a CAST's butt.
Dat ass
Or
Dat aft
?

[MegaRocker1987]

There's no way the '1987' in this guy's name is when he was born.

Or maybe he just discovered image macros like two days ago.

Because, wow, junior.

You are completely wrong actually i was in fact born in 87 and two i don't get online much so no i don't know about the whole macro thing much due to the fact i have a life so thanks :)

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51899362.jpg

[MegaRocker1987]

but once again this is a poll/ opinion thread so lets stop fighting ok :)

[Jaquecz]

You are completely wrong actually i was in fact born in 87 and two i don't get online much so no i don't know about the whole macro thing much due to the fact i have a life so thanks :)

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/6d3/eb0/df2/resized/shots-fired-meme-generator-shots-fired-08537a.jpg?1348337891.jpg
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i459/itswaka/tumblr_lihssbruRl1qg39ewo1_500.gif

This just got real.

[IndignationSWF]

More positivity!
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q493/Tsukkinatta/InfiniteRappy_zps0d4efa1d.jpg~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

[The Walrus]

http://i.imgur.com/Dai2O.gif

[Valimer]

What the hell would I even do if I could log back on? Level an alt? lmfao xD

[GHNeko]

*snip*
If you consider, "I have a life" to be something worthy of shots being fired then you must not read a lot of insults.

[MegaRocker1987]

If you consider, "I have a life" to be something worthy of shots being fired then you must not read a lot of insults.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51899587.jpg

[BIG OLAF]

You are completely wrong actually i was in fact born in 87 and two i don't get online much so no i don't know about the whole macro thing much due to the fact i have a life so thanks :)

I would have never guessed, since you act like you're 12.

[IndignationSWF]

Seriously guys?

[MegaRocker1987]

I would have never guessed, since you act like you're 12.

It's called the internet does anyone ever act their true age? NO! So there's your answer. Moving on lol.

[BIG OLAF]

It's a shame that Autism Awareness Month is in April, and not July.

[ShadowDragon28]

I am praying that *all* PSO2 players *everywhere* can log on and play. *prays*

[FGIrtzIII]

There's no way the '1987' in this guy's name is when he was born.

Or maybe he just discovered image macros like two days ago.

Because, wow, junior.
If you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all okay?

[MegaRocker1987]

I am praying that *all* PSO2 players *everywhere* can log on and play. *prays*

Agreed but if we cant we move on to bigger and better things :)

[IndignationSWF]

It's a shame that Autism Awareness Month is in April, and not July.

That's...a bit much don't you think?"

[The Walrus]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/ArriX/NoFightingNanako.jpg

[BIG OLAF]

That's...a bit much don't you think?"

Nope.

Anyway, time for another thread clean-up.

[MegaRocker1987]

Nope.

Anyway, time for another thread clean-up.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51899925.jpg

[Gama]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51899925.jpg

because forums, and you should have grown a thick skin by now, this is pso-w you know.

regarding moving to better things.

my problem will be that, since most games dont really do it for me like pso2 does.

[MegaRocker1987]

because forums, and you should have grown a thick skin by now, this is pso-w you know.

regarding moving to better things.

my problem will be that, since most games dont really do it for me like pso2 does.

it is what it is i'm just expressing my opinion

[GHNeko]

It's a shame that Autism Awareness Month is in April, and not July.


Fucking flawless.


http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51899925.jpg

Because someone who's talking shit means he's a troll?

Can't he...just...not like you or your posts? He's not specifically targeting you trying to rile you up for "lulz".

[Natsu Nem]

We image macros now?
[SPOILER-BOX]http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/8940829.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[IndignationSWF]

Fucking flawless.

Depends on your meaning of the word.


Because someone who's talking shit means he's a troll?

Generally, that's exactly the case, at least in common vernacular.


Can't he...just...not like you or your posts? He's not specifically targeting you trying to rile you up for "lulz".

Because Bringing up Autism is funny, right?

[Sychosis]

Because Bringing up Autism is funny, right?

Works for me.

[GHNeko]

As far as I know, a troll is someone who fucks with people just to fuck with people or just for shits and giggles.

If someone doesn't legit like another person and says less-than-kind things to said person, that's not trolling. It'd be flaming.

Not sure what you're getting at with the "bringing autism up is funny" remark though.

Either way, image macro nonsense aside, he probably wouldn't have gotten that response had he not thrown the first stone with the whole, "I have a life hurrr hurr" because that was pretty unnecessary and holier-than-thou.

[MegaRocker1987]

Works for me.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51900458.jpg

[MegaRocker1987]

im done with the macros though if olaf and others would just stop please i want this to be a poll and opinion thread and were gettin way off topic now so please no more thanks :) and yes maybe the whole i have a life thing was a lil overkill and for that i'm sorry but lets stick to the topic at hand now thanks :)

[GHNeko]

It's pretty clear (to me at least) that the forum is mostly divided, but filled to the brim with skepticism and cynicism and it probably wont change because it's the same handful of people remaining active on the boards.

People are expecting the worst, so if we do get back online, they'll be pleasantly surprised, but if not, they would have been prepared to shrug their shoulders and move on with an extra reason to spite SegaC in their books.

notthatweneedanymore...

[IndignationSWF]

Let's not get into personal issues please? Seriously, this is a thread/poll about the game so kindly let it go.

[MegaRocker1987]

Let's not get into it please? Seriously, this is a thread/poll about the game so kindly let it go.

Thank you :)

[FGIrtzIII]

Depends on your meaning of the word.



Generally, that's exactly the case, at least in common vernacular.



Because Bringing up Autism is funny, right?
No it's not.

[MegaRocker1987]

No it's not.

One last macro and i'm done this one's for u dude!

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51900878.jpg

[Laxedrane]

I am in the hesitantly hopeful. If not, I may pingzapper, I may cut my losses, I will deal with it when it's set in stone.

[The Walrus]

CAN YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOUR GODDAMN ARGUMENTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THE FUCKING PURPOSE OF THE TOPIC WHATSOEVER!?

Please.

[FGIrtzIII]

One last macro and i'm done this one's for u dude!

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51900878.jpg
Thanks sis.

[IndignationSWF]

CAN YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOUR GODDAMN ARGUMENTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THE FUCKING PURPOSE OF THE TOPIC WHATSOEVER!?

Please.
I agree, but please chill out.

[MegaRocker1987]

Thanks sis.

np mau :)

[GHNeko]

CAN YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOUR GODDAMN ARGUMENTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THE FUCKING PURPOSE OF THE TOPIC WHATSOEVER!?

Please.

The irony of this post is that you're off-topic as well, and you're also posting in caps AND being rude at the same time, which would dishevel people more so than get them back on topic, meaning you're being counter-productive towards your own goal.

That's 2 strikes. Let's not aim for a 3rd?

If you're that flustered by said posts, you're better off reporting them or at least being...oh I don't know...

Less irate?

Come on dawg.


That being said, I'll just reiterate. The forum is divided and is heavily tinted by negativity and pessimism. You're going to see a lot of opinions and stances, as well as arguements recycled over and over. PSOW is in full echo-chamber mode right now.

You're better off talking about the actual game, and not the evolution of which us players who can't get on have the misfortune of going through.

[MegaRocker1987]

Hopefully wednesday will bear some fruit :)

[Skyly]

Is there any specific reason why all the servers are currently grey'd out as if the servers are offline during a maintenance?

[MimiChan]

Until then, I would enjoy my b20-free EQ runs O3O

[GHNeko]

Hopefully wednesday will bear some fruit :smile:

It'd be a proverbial light yeah.

For better or for worse, people would at least have some semblence of what to do and can stop running around like a headless chicken, venting their frustrations and showcasing their withdrawal symptoms on the board.

[The Walrus]

The irony of this post is that you're off-topic as well, and you're also posting in caps AND being rude at the same time, which would dishevel people more so than get them back on topic, meaning you're being counter-productive towards your own goal.

That's 2 strikes. Let's not aim for a 3rd?

If you're that flustered by said posts, you're better off reporting them or at least being...oh I don't know...

Less irate?

Come on dawg.


That being said, I'll just reiterate. The forum is divided and is heavily tinted by negativity and pessimism. You're going to see a lot of opinions and stances, as well as arguements recycled over and over. PSOW is in full echo-chamber mode right now.

You're better off talking about the actual game, and not the evolution of which us players who can't get on have the misfortune of going through.

Yeah I know that's kind of why I did it like that. I'm just bored.

[MegaRocker1987]

Is there any specific reason why all the servers are currently grey'd out as if the servers are offline during a maintenance?

no clue it might be a side effect of the current stability of the servers from being ddos'ed

[IndignationSWF]

Is there any specific reason why all the servers are currently grey'd out as if the servers are offline during a maintenance?

Got in via Tweaker? it's because we can't access the servers.

[MegaRocker1987]

Got in via Tweaker? it's because we can't access the servers.

what indignation said good point there :)

[Natsu Nem]

Hm... Part of me wants the current situation to stay just to watch psow squirm for months while I continue to play without a hassle and a VPN.

[IndignationSWF]

Hm... Part of me wants the current situation to stay just to watch psow squirm for months while I continue to play without a hassle and a VPN.

Until they ban you for associating with us then can't play at all. <_< >_>

[Sierhiet]

Hm... Part of me wants the current situation to stay just to watch psow squirm for months while I continue to play without a hassle and a VPN.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmq0ceRtGM1qacgfco1_500.gif

[MegaRocker1987]

considering the topic i couldn't resist this one last macro xD

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/51901894.jpg

[PSchiZ]

considering the topic i couldn't resist this one last macro xD

You said one last macro

The last time too :P

[pkemr4]

mfw 2ch is reporting vpn's

[MegaRocker1987]

You said one last macro

The last time too :P

i know but this really is the last one but hey u gotta admit it aint off topic anyway xD

[Jokai]

I'll be using pingzapper from now on. For me if it stops working I just need to restart PC.

[Skyly]

I wasn't able to login via tweaker. I got error 249. And also I have not tried to login via official game client. I take it if I can't connect to official site then I can't login.

[MegaRocker1987]

I wasn't able to login via tweaker. I got error 249. And also I have not tried to login via official game client. I take it if I can't connect to official site then I can't login.

same problem for me xD

[Macman]

Holy shit.
I went through the first 8 or so pages reading intently before MegaCocker2007 ruined his own thread and lowered my IQ by about 40 points. Good god man, I thought horribly irrelevant image macros from 7 years ago were phased out of people's vocabulary by now but here I am looking at this drivel.

You have a problem if you still think this garbage is funny.

As for the topic, I'm not optimistic.

[MegaRocker1987]

Holy shit.
I went through the first 8 or so pages reading intently before MegaCocker2007 ruined his own thread and lowered my IQ by about 40 points. Good god man, I thought horribly irrelevant image macros from 7 years ago were phased out of people's vocabulary by now but here I am looking at this drivel.

You have a problem if you still think this garbage is funny.

As for the topic, I'm not optimistic.

I don't think its funny and two I'm just gonna ignore all the negative comments it ain't worth arguing with people who have no better things to do than to put others down its really a sick world we live in Nuff Said. Have a nice day :) And lastly i said lets stick to the topic and not act like brainless peeps who argue like fools thank you otherwise i'm just gonna ask a moderator to close the thread. :)

[Macman]

Yes, please close this mess.

[Sayara]

If you insist. Maybe we'll get some special fliers for people hmmm?