What units should I get? How about Zieg?

[Achelousaurus]

So, in light of new affixing (it offers at least some improvement...I hope) and ult and XH I want new units.

But I am not sure what to get. Atm I mostly play melee and sometimes Gu or Ra but not yet any noteworthy amount of casting.

I have a nice 3s Luther set that serves me quite well but I know I can do better and I don't wanna spend 30 mil per unit for a premade set.

Also I am not sure if I should rather get Saiki set or maybe even a Zieg set (I don't hear many good things but I don't know all the stats yet).

Oh and if I want to get a 5s Luther set, would it be easier to start a new set from scratch (if upslotting is necessary, using tier 1 abilities from 1* units) or extend my 3s set, which would require me to upslot while keeping all affixes?

[Sizustar]

So, in light of new affixing (it offers at least some improvement...I hope) and ult and XH I want new units.

But I am not sure what to get. Atm I mostly play melee and sometimes Gu or Ra but not yet any noteworthy amount of casting.

I have a nice 3s Luther set that serves me quite well but I know I can do better and I don't wanna spend 30 mil per unit for a premade set.

Also I am not sure if I should rather get Saiki set or maybe even a Zieg set (I don't hear many good things but I don't know all the stats yet).

Oh and if I want to get a 5s Luther set, would it be easier to start a new set from scratch (if upslotting is necessary, using tier 1 abilities from 1* units) or extend my 3s set, which would require me to upslot while keeping all affixes?


These are individual piece
S-Def 430 + 80 HP + 0PP - 229(320) 202(282) 202(282) 2% Wind/Fire Resit
R-Def 430 + 60 HP +2 PP - 202(282) 229(320) 202(282) 2% Wind/Light
T-Def 430 +0 HP +8 PP - 221(309) 221(309) 221(309) 2% Light/Dark
Dex 430 - +40 HP +4 PP - 221(309) 221(309) 221(309) 2% Light/Dark

Each also have 3% S/R/T-atk resist.
Set bonus - +45 HP, +50 S/R/T-atk, +5 PP, +30 Dex

[Ordy]

Set bonus - +45 HP, +50 S/R/T-atk, +5 PP, +30 Dex

Zieg units + Zieg weapon:

S/R/T-ATK +100, HP+90, PP+9, DEX+60

Luther is low tier set imo, 60 atk, no PP pool, bad def stats.

Get either: Zieg units+weapon combo, Saiki or 90 atk set with Lv10 crafted units with PP(+10ea)/HP(+100ea) units

Here is a list of the stats:

Saiki: +60 ATK // +150HP // +25PP // +80DEX --- 320 S-DEF / 282 R-DEF / 333 T-DEF
Zieg3: +50 ATK // +45 to +285HP // +4 to 28PP // +30DEX --- 295 S-DEF / 295 R-DEF / 295 T-DEF
Zieg4: +100 ATK // +90 to +330HP // +9 to 33PP // +60DEX --- 295 S-DEF / 295 R-DEF / 295 T-DEF (HP/PP depends of the unit type)
Lv10ext: 60 or 90 ATK // 'x' to +300HP // 'x' to +30PP // 'x' DEX --- 336 S-DEF / 308 R-DEF / 308 T-DEF (x depends of the crafted set)

[TehCubey]

Zieg's sets are not as good as Saiki.

But they're superior to pretty much everything else (from old stuff at least), unless you have a set with like 4+ good affixes on each unit.

They're also really easy to get, requiring only an episode 3 MB and minimal investment in meseta/crafting materials.

[Rien]

Zieg's sets are not as good as Saiki.

But they're superior to pretty much everything else (from old stuff at least), unless you have a set with like 4+ good affixes on each unit.

They're also really easy to get, requiring only an episode 3 MB and minimal investment in meseta/crafting materials.

Does max extend sound minimal to you

[Ephidiel]

Very minimal indeed XD

[Z-0]

Gonna have to go with crafted Saiki or XQ units.

Crafted Saiki have 155PP with no affixes on them, while Crafted XQ units have 130PP with no affixes on them (and 30 more attack).

[Xaelouse]

You can mix and match the t-def and dex units to pretty much make a saiki set, unless you care about the high dex bonus or crafting for 155 PP

[Achelousaurus]

Thanks.
What makes Luther good is the 9% res all. But Zieg has that as well?

Also, how do I actually get a unit? I did Zieg's 1st Co and got 10 tickets, what other COs do I have to do for the units (and which cos do I have to first to unlock the correct cos)?

PS: how do you get over 100 PP from units without even affixes?

[Kondibon]

PS: how do you get over 100 PP from units without even affixes?I think he's including the base PP.

[Rupikachu]

Sorry for the lil offtopic.

Since when are the xq units decent? Crafting them? I have a pair of sets sitting idly on my storage since i didn't know what to do with them.

[Ordy]

XQ sets are +90 ATK (like Gwana and Midia)
Lv10 ext units have the highest total def stats
You can craft units with +10PP or +100HP now

> Highest ATK > +30PP or +300HP pool > Highest Def ...

[RadiantLegend]

Don't you lose the resists? I'm guessing the higher Def stats over rules the resists.

[Xaelouse]

not really
The HP crafts might help, but then you're missing out on the PP. So if you care about your bulk, stick with vanilla saiki or zieg units

[Achelousaurus]

Yeah. Luther set is doing well in ult as 70/70 BrHu cause of the resists.

Oh and now that I just saw res all is non-transferable I don't even really know what abilities to get (getting a melee set only for now).

Could someone walk me through making a 5s Quartz / pow 3 / stamina 3 / spirita 3 (or stigma if it's no difference) / power boost set?

Or, considering you must upslot with a boost item and I have bad Dudu luck, replacing it with Vinculum (no need to upslot the final affix and retries aren't nearly as expensive).
...Or modulator but I have to check if this wouldn't be absurdly expensive when I have to buy everything from the player shop.

[Achelousaurus]

I wish we had 11* unit passes already. I consider it a huge faux pas from Sega that we don't have them yet.

Cause I'm not gonna affix anything now with fodder at double to triple price. Would go bankrupt over a unit set >_>

[Achelousaurus]

Well, for the moment I got me a nice Gloam / Ing combo for 11 mil. Would have gotten White Tail but didn't find any decent for a reasonable price. And since everything is affixed for pp anyway, it would be total overkill.
This combo already has 19 pp more than my Luther set for a total of 155 with weapon. Haven't done much ult with it yet but def is similar and hp is just 10 below what I had before.

At least my 2nd has good units now, she inherited the luther set.

[pkemr4]

Gonna have to go with crafted Saiki or XQ units.

Crafted Saiki have 155PP with no affixes on them, while Crafted XQ units have 130PP with no affixes on them (and 30 more attack).

how do people go about getting 155pp without affixs on saiki set? like you do ex 10 with T-def?

[un1t27]

how do people go about getting 155pp without affixs on saiki set? like you do ex 10 with T-def?

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[pkemr4]

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ive never bothered with unit crafting. after seeing people get 195 pp with ease i became interested.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

ive never bothered with unit crafting. after seeing people get 195 pp with ease i became interested.

It was already said in this two page thread.

[n_n]

I see pkemr4 is still the smartest person on this forum... :-)

[pkemr4]

It was already said in this two page thread.

yes i know i sound asking these questions ._. but i thought ex 10 was still +3 pp, was that changed recently?

[un1t27]

Any unit crafted for tdef gives 3 pp no matter what ex lvl does not MATTER. did you drop out of school ?

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

yes i know i sound asking these questions ._. but i thought ex 10 was still +3 pp, was that changed recently?

Here.



You can craft units with +10PP or +100HP now





Any unit crafted for tdef gives 3 pp no matter what ex lvl does not MATTER. did you drop out of school ?

Woooooooosh

[n_n]

Any unit crafted for tdef gives 3 pp no matter what ex lvl does not MATTER. did you drop out of school ?
But he knows he sound asking these questions. ^^;

[pkemr4]

Here.








Woooooooosh

thanks. just realized it was 3 other recipes addes that gave +100 hp, 10 pp or 30 hp + 3 pp. @un1t27 and Acrylis no need to bash on people asking dumb questions.

[lnvisible]

So uh hate to get back on topic but the zieg set refers to the things you trade master craftsman seals for yes? If so what are the differences between these sets? From what I understand of what you guys said we can essentially use these unit sets for multiple class types due to the bonuses being across the board so which should I get for that.

[Sacrificial]

So uh hate to get back on topic but the zieg set refers to the things you trade master craftsman seals for yes? If so what are the differences between these sets? From what I understand of what you guys said we can essentially use these unit sets for multiple class types due to the bonuses being across the board so which should I get for that.

you can mix and match all available pieces for the stat bonus. For individual stats its 80hp,60hp+2pp,8pp,40hp+4hp from top to bottom per three.

Or just look on swiki.

[lnvisible]

Decided to go with the dex set for a good well rounded mix. Affixed with mutation/stam3/spirita3 cause I'm cheap except for one piece with anga/stam3/spirita3.

[ZerotakerZX]

I've examined the topic for a bit and understood that I don't understand anything. Can you explain something about crafting to me?
Is there any reason to craft Saiki set, or only Zieg's units (and weapons) needs crafting? Is there special HP/PP bonus for crafting or something?

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I've examined the topic for a bit and understood that I don't understand anything. Can you explain something about crafting to me?
Is there any reason to craft Saiki set, or only Zieg's units (and weapons) needs crafting? Is there special HP/PP bonus for crafting or something?



You can craft units with +10PP or +100HP now

That's as much as I'll bother saying.

[ZerotakerZX]

That's as much as I'll bother saying.

I mean Zieg's weapons have special bonus for crafting, maybe his units works the same way:-?

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I mean Zieg's weapons have special bonus for crafting, maybe his units works the same way:-?

That bonus is the weapon potential. Units don't have potentials.

[ZerotakerZX]

That bonus is the weapon potential. Units don't have potentials.
Well, that makes sense.^^;