Dance 29>>>Dance 20 <3

[Squal_FFVIII]

IMO this new dance beats dance 20. I bought it for my waifu when the servers came back online for 21Mill and it's just awesome. Normally I would feel that's way too much but not when a LA is this awesome.

It's like 16Mill now. Not bad at all for the best dance atm!

[Alukard]

Agreed

[supersonix9]

cool?

[Shirai]

best dance is dance14 doe

[Vintasticvin]

Post it in action foo!

[The Walrus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY1jsVkInQc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY1jsVkInQc

[Cyron Tanryoku]

best dance is dance14 doe
you are correct

[GoldGenII]

29 will be okay when it's not that absurd price. :wacko:

14 and 20 are aight, I guess.

Dance22 master race.
http://youtu.be/-vwiY-svqmU?t=1m34s

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I have 20, 22, and 29.

No other dance matters (for now at least).

[BIG OLAF]

29 will be okay when it's not that absurd price. :wacko:

Well, that means it'll never be okay, then. The new norm for dances seems to be 15-20mil per ticket.

No idea how that happened, since they used to be around 5-9mil per ticket, but that just up and changed one day. I think Dance 27 is when it all started. It makes no sense to me, this outrageous price-jump.

[Xaeris]

The changes to TACOs and Faina's dailies are mostly to blame, I imagine. Meseta farming COs are much more accessible to people now that it's a simple matter of doing some trivial COs on a daily basis and doing TACOs weekly instead of keeping up with a daily reset on TACOs.

[Omi]

In a Japanese game, typically what the majority of people consider to be the best dance (or even outfit), would be the one that caters to one main thing in particular: Waifu Fanservice. Certain dances like Dance 20, and Dance 22 will always be expensive because of that reason. (Unrelated to Dances but...) Hell, even the Vivid Punkish outfits have pantsu shots all over the uploader and it has only been one night (not a bad thing either... giggity).

It of course all boils down to personal preference at the end. Female Dance 29 looks decent to good IMO, but the Male version looks ridiculous (maybe it looks better if a male is preforming it... don't care enough to look it up... because REASONS!!! more than likely not). To me Dance 29 is worth a max of 10 mil, which is why I will never be getting it most likely... no regrets if I don't either. IMO it goes Dance 20 >>>>>> Dance 22 >> Dance 29, based on... well Fanservice lol.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Well, that means it'll never be okay, then. The new norm for dances seems to be 15-20mil per ticket.

No idea how that happened, since they used to be around 5-9mil per ticket, but that just up and changed one day. I think Dance 27 is when it all started. It makes no sense to me, this outrageous price-jump.

Well dance 20 will remain infamous for it's just from 6mil to 12mil+ in two days. Dance 22 kinda did the same thing. Ever since the cheerleader routine though, dances are being priced for nearly 20mil on the get-go.

Despite Xaeris being right that it is a factor, this 3x price jump is just absolutely batshit nuts. I mean, technically the total possible meseta gains from TACOs/DOs may have went down compared to the possibility of doing tacos every day, but of course not everyone does, or even wants to do that, but still 20mil+tickets on patch day?! It's the norm now for no reason.

The eternal F long makes dance 29 price seem tame btw (still looks like a case of bedhead, and not actually styled).


In a Japanese game, typically what the majority of people consider to be the best dance (or even outfit), would be the one that caters to one main thing in particular: Waifu Fanservice. Certain dances like Dance 20, and Dance 22 will always be expensive because of that reason. (Unrelated to Dances but...) Hell, even the Vivid Punkish outfits have pantsu shots all over the uploader and it has only been one night (not a bad thing either... giggity).

It of course all boils down to personal preference at the end. Female Dance 29 looks decent to good IMO, but the Male version looks ridiculous (maybe it looks better if a male is preforming it... don't care enough to look it up... because REASONS!!! more than likely not). To me Dance 29 is worth a max of 10 mil, which is why I will never be getting it most likely... no regrets if I don't either. IMO it goes Dance 20 >>>>>> Dance 22 >> Dance 29, based on... well Fanservice lol.

No one's going to judge you. The spoiler boxes are unnecessary xD.

[BIG OLAF]

Oh, yeah, I agree that I fully expected some form of inflation on just about everything after the whole TACO/XQ/Daily CO rebalance went live, sure. I was thinking maybe an 80% increase, or thereabouts. But, like you pointed out, the tripled price absolutely astonished me.

But, thing is, emote tickets (namely dances) were the only thing to jump in price so dramatically, sans certain hairstyles. Everything else from scratches either stayed the same price, or even lowered. So, I still don't understand what happened. I would agree to the 'Fanservice' bit if the dances were actually good, but, they ain't. The female Dance29 is the first one out of the last five or so to be any sort of decent.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Oh, yeah, I agree that I fully expected some form of inflation on just about everything after the whole TACO/XQ/Daily CO rebalance went live, sure. I was thinking maybe an 80% increase, or thereabouts. But, like you pointed out, the tripled price absolutely astonished me.

But, thing is, emote tickets (namely dances) were the only thing to jump in price so dramatically. Everything else from scratches either stayed the same price, or even lowered. So, I still don't understand what happened.

Well the long hairstyle from akarin moeblob scratch was almost 20mil, and like I said, the long eternal F may be close to double dance 29's price. Hairstyles have been getting brutal on release too. I used to think 4mil for rough twintails was like being mugged sans the physical violence, but now...

Consumable tickets in general shot up and I have no idea why this is a trend now, and it's pretty safe to say it started in the JP community.

[EvilMag]

How much are the dances and hairstyles in other ships? Anyone know?

[Walkure]

They're not significantly different in Ship10.

http://i.imgur.com/a8ztjZy.png Red Punk
http://i.imgur.com/JyiQuUF.png Long Eternal Form
http://i.imgur.com/0ZcsGMj.png AC Scratch Dance

[Flaoc]

im actually not too impressed by dance 29.. shrugs

also 33 mil for the new hair? da hell? it doesnt even look that great

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

im actually not too impressed by dance 29.. shrugs

also 33 mil for the new hair? da hell? it doesnt even look that great

-You take that back!

-Like I said, looks like bed head


They're not significantly different in Ship10.

http://i.imgur.com/a8ztjZy.png Red Punk
http://i.imgur.com/JyiQuUF.png Long Eternal Form
http://i.imgur.com/0ZcsGMj.png AC Scratch Dance

13.6mil for that dance woulda've been a dream this morning. Still a little salty I missed two mispriced dances at 2mil-ish my milliseconds but whatchya gonna do...:-?

[Edson Drake]

Not to be an arse but, prices will go down once people stop buying those things for those absurd prices.

Boycott people, boycott, but people still buy so those prices won't ever come down. What a shame.

[BIG OLAF]

Oh, of course.

Anything is only worth what people are willing to pay.

So, if people are willing to pay stupid prices for things like that (and, they are, since a fair amount of people that play PSO2 now have 9-figure meseta figures in their wallets at any given time), it won't lower.

Could always get lucky and find someone trying to fire-sell one just to get quick cash, though.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Not to be an arse but, prices will go down once people stop buying those things for those absurd prices.

Boycott people, boycott, but people still buy so those prices won't ever come down. What a shame.

The price did go down... from 33mil to 16 simply because people weren't willing to pay that much.

As it was said, the value is what people are willing to pay for it. Just that it seems like sellers are working from the top down to figue out people spending limits now.

[Walkure]

also 33 mil for the new hair? da hell? it doesnt even look that great

-Like I said, looks like bed head

JP really like that hairstyle. And I'm sure that some characters pull it off really well.

My character? Not one of them; looks goofy as all hell

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/NuVIV1j.png The hell is this.

For that matter all the new hairs don't fit that well either.
http://i.imgur.com/ESldkap.png
http://i.imgur.com/6BH7eTu.png
http://i.imgur.com/3j7EJXO.png ears 2strong really short hair can't handle
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Edit: Ohi someone undercut that 13.5m to 11.5m lobby action.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

JP really like that hairstyle. And I'm sure that some characters pull it off really well.

My character? Not one of them; looks goofy as all hell

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/NuVIV1j.png The hell is this.

For that matter all the new hairs don't fit that well either.
http://i.imgur.com/ESldkap.png
http://i.imgur.com/6BH7eTu.png
http://i.imgur.com/3j7EJXO.png ears 2strong really short hair can't handle
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Edit: Ohi someone undercut that 13.5m to 11.5m lobby action.

You should really fix the nose

[Walkure]

I blame the lighting, because the giant nose has been there forever. If I were to tweak it next time an Este pass comes around, I'd actually do:[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/1ICVUL6.png -> http://i.imgur.com/ZbKbgfO.png
Which is actually only a minor change to width while going back to max depth:
http://i.imgur.com/VVmXPiL.png->http://i.imgur.com/EYyvREI.png
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Back to the original topic, what's the Dance LA priced at on Ship2 now? Still 16m?

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I blame the lighting, because the giant nose has been there forever. If I were to tweak it next time an Este pass comes around, I'd actually do:[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/1ICVUL6.png -> http://i.imgur.com/ZbKbgfO.png
Which is actually only a minor change to width while going back to max depth:
http://i.imgur.com/VVmXPiL.png->http://i.imgur.com/EYyvREI.png
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Back to the original topic, what's the Dance LA priced at on Ship2 now? Still 16m?

Still 16mil.

I'm sure you can do better with that nose!

[Walkure]

Well, can you be more specific? I don't really see a problem, but I purposefully went for a big nose, sooo....

[oratank]

stupid dance and stupid price anyway i blame dance 20 for this. it set a new standard price for dance

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Dance 20 was less than 6mil the day it came out. We didn't start getting day 1 dumb prices until the cheerleader dance came out.


Well, can you be more specific? I don't really see a problem, but I purposefully went for a big nose, sooo....

Oh, okay.

So you sure you wanted it that long too?

[Lego]

is it really worth it to be spending that much instead of getting better at the game?

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

is it really worth it to be spending that much instead of getting better at the game?

Money doesn't buy skill/knowledge in this game. That wasn't the smartest thing to post.

[Lego]

i keep changing weapons and classes. i am crafting all the time. making new units. so i never go bove 5m. But i guess you guys stick to one or two classes and then idle in lobby till an EQ

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

i keep changing weapons and classes. i am crafting all the time. making new units. so i never go bove 5m. But i guess you guys stick to one or two classes and then idle in lobby till an EQ

None of that proves who's a better player.

The guy spending most of his effort on Ra/Hu can realistically beat someone who doesn't.

[Lego]

None of that proves who's a better player.

keep lookin pretyy in lobbies, and cry when you fail mining base.

[Waraiwarai]

i keep changing weapons and classes. i am crafting all the time. making new units. so i never go bove 5m. But i guess you guys stick to one or two classes and then idle in lobby till an EQ


how do you even make gear when you never get past 5m ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????

P.S lamest excuse I heard so far for having no meseta

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

keep lookin pretyy in lobbies, and cry when you fail mining base.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.cubeupload.com/RZXvnT.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]
1st place
http://i.cubeupload.com/qt1CKN.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]
here's second place
http://i.cubeupload.com/SZpecs.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

/dance29

[Evangelion X.XX]

Although Manin was a little harsh it's true; it doesn't matter how much money a person has, it doesn't matter if the person has the best gear, if he sucks well then he just sucks; no amount of anything can help him there.

To make more than 5 mill fairly easily, you have to be at end game with capped classes and everything; by that time you should basically already have all that you pretty much want (disregarding lobby actions/costumes/camos) and therefore don't need to use a lot of meseta for affixing/crafting/grinding.

[Lego]

sigh, did i really offend all of you. showing a pic of 7+ months ago? ok...

edit: i never said get skill, try to get better at the game is completely different. im always testing weopon combos and class combos. thats why i have all classes above 50 with and 5 are now 70+

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

sigh, did i really offend all of you. showing a pic of 7+ months ago? ok...

You're not offensive. You're just not as smart as you think you are.

The 5 seconds/meseta someone spends buying a costume or LA =/= incapable of getting better/inferior player.

[Dammy]

when i see someone with units grinded to +2 but with 15-25 mil lobby action, i blacklist them

[Xaeris]

sigh, did i really offend all of you. showing a pic of 7+ months ago? ok...

edit: i never said get skill, try to get better at the game is completely different. im always testing weopon combos and class combos. thats why i have all classes above 50 with and 5 are now 70+

Dude, just quit while you're ahe- well, just quit.

[lnvisible]

Where did people come up with the idea you cant have both cosmetic items and decent gear? Just because some people are bad with their money and don't know how to effectively gear doesn't mean that's the case for all of us.

[Sapphire92]

I'm new here so please bear with me...

21 million? Or 21 meseta? Or 21,000?

Cuz reading 21mil it sounds like million and thats like...a lot of meseta

T_T...

[Xaeris]

21 million. It's not so much a substantial amount in of itself; it's that a single item costs that much that stings.

[KatsuraJun]

sigh, did i really offend all of you. showing a pic of 7+ months ago? ok...

edit: i never said get skill, try to get better at the game is completely different. im always testing weopon combos and class combos. thats why i have all classes above 50 with and 5 are now 70+

watch out guys he has every class above level 50

we're dealing with a real badass here.

[Sizustar]

sigh, did i really offend all of you. showing a pic of 7+ months ago? ok...

edit: i never said get skill, try to get better at the game is completely different. im always testing weopon combos and class combos. thats why i have all classes above 50 with and 5 are now 70+

So...you have no idea on what you are talking about.
Got it~

[Lego]

lol, ill just leave

stick in b20 pls

[KatsuraJun]

you say that as if anyone even exists on b20 anymore to begin with

have you even been playing this game recently

[Sapphire92]

T_T...

[Walkure]

im always testing weopon combos and class combos. thats why i have all classes above 50 with and 5 are now 70+I do testing! I do lots of testing! \o/


21 million. It's not so much a substantial amount in of itself; it's that a single item costs that much that stings.Every two weeks there's a new scratch, too, with new lobby actions added. It's like every other scratch that a dance LA comes out, but it's still madness and why I don't bother getting dances outside of a few exceptions.


watch out guys he has every class above level 50

we're dealing with a real badass here.I have almost that with just Client Order feeding an doing like 95% of all activities on one class. I think Gunner is still at 45.


Oh, okay.
So you sure you wanted it that long too?For the most part, yeh. I overshot by a bit on Nose Width vertical, but the adjustment's still not much shorter.

[Kikikiki]

lol, ill just leave

stick in b20 pls

You can't beat Walkure with all of his math so just wag your tail out of this thread like the miserable player you are.

[isCasted]

What if that Lego doesn't know how to make money, and so he assumes nobody knows how to make money faster than he does?

[sol_trigger]

best dance is the one with fan

[Sizustar]

best dance is the one with fan

That's..dance..24?

But it's quite interesting to see the earlier dance compared to current dance, which are better animated and more..lively?

[GoldGenII]

Fan Dance is Dance 22.

http://puu.sh/dgJLz.webm

¦3

[Lumpen Thingy]

Fan Dance is Dance 22.

http://puu.sh/dgJLz.webm

¦3

dat assss

[SakoHaruo]

dat assss

Bestest ass, o3o

[Vintasticvin]

Bestest ass, o3o

I'll show you a good ass (that isn't my character's) when I get home later tonight.

[un1t27]

They all a waste of meseta

[LonelyGaruga]

I'll show you a good ass (that isn't my character's) when I get home later tonight.

Donkey pics pls


They all a waste of meseta

All the best players I know have 100m+ to spend on dress up, lobby actions, and all that, but still have 5s+ equipment and many different weapons (species hunters, rainbow tech weapons, etc).

Hard to really say it's a waste if you're already well equipped. As long as you're having fun, what does it matter at that point? Go for it.

[Sizustar]

They all a waste of meseta

Why does it matter how I spend my Meseta?

[yoshiblue]

Got to keep making those fodders, exploit the market and become as rich as I possibly can.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/The_Subsidised_Mineowner.jpg/220px-The_Subsidised_Mineowner.jpg
*nasty smoker cough*

[Xaelouse]

They kinda are. If this game hasn't showed you yet, it's that your equipment wont be the best for too long. So why not save up for the eventual power creeps

[LonelyGaruga]

If by "power creep" you mean "replace a couple weapons every 6 months", sure.

Up until 13*s were implemented, that's how the "power creep" worked in practice. And once everyone that wants 13*s has them, they almost certainly won't need replacing for many months, and anything that does come out before then that beats them out will almost certainly do so by a very small margin.

And it's not like you're going to run out of money replacing stuff in the first place.

[GoldGenII]

I'll show you a good ass (that isn't my character's) when I get home later tonight.

I smell a challenge.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I smell a challenge.

I see what you did there.

[un1t27]

All the best players I know have 100m+ to spend on dress up, lobby actions, and all that, but still have 5s+ equipment and many different weapons (species hunters, rainbow tech weapons, etc).

Hard to really say it's a waste if you're already well equipped. As long as you're having fun, what does it matter at that point? Go for it.
Uh maybe it's my opinion?


Why does it matter how I spend my Meseta?

I know you have over 300m+ so technically it wasn't directed at you but YOU chose to respond.

[Purrl]

On the subject of the new dance, I actually don't like it. 20 is much cuter. This one is kinda blah in my opinion, so yay for saving meseta~

[LonelyGaruga]

Uh maybe it's my opinion?

Then keep an incorrect opinion to yourself, or say "I think they're a waste of meseta", instead of suggesting anyone who buys them is wasting meseta by leaving that out.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

On the subject of the new dance, I actually don't like it. 20 is much cuter. This one is kinda blah in my opinion, so yay for saving meseta~

I wouldn't describe shakin' the assets as 'cute'... which is part of the reason i bought dance 20 back then.

[GoldGenII]

It's a tasteful dance overall. More of a dance than many of the "dances" available. Just wish so many didn't spam/hail it... but eh. Public opinion.

[Walkure]

I wouldn't describe shakin' the assets as 'cute'... which is part of the reason i bought dance 20 back then.They should obviously go for maximum cute and add a pole dance.

[Sayara]

It worked for Palutena it could work for you!
(dance 14 male top dance)

[un1t27]

Then keep an incorrect opinion to yourself, or say "I think they're a waste of meseta", instead of suggesting anyone who buys them is wasting meseta by leaving that out.

Well it's not really a huge difference now is it?

[Zyrusticae]

I would actually explain part of the price increase by a general decrease in the number of people buying into scratches and thus a lower supply of goods. Also could be more stuff in general in the scratches which eats into the number of high-demand goods available for sale on the meseta market.

[Sizustar]

Uh maybe it's my opinion?



I know you have over 300m+ so technically it wasn't directed at you but YOU chose to respond.

And that's their opinion on your opinion.

Isn't it amazing that everyone different opinion, and that some of them can cause conflict?

[BIG OLAF]

I would actually explain part of the price increase by a general decrease in the number of people buying into scratches and thus a lower supply of goods. Also could be more stuff in general in the scratches which eats into the number of high-demand goods available for sale on the meseta market.

Possibly. It would make sense, since ol' SEGA has really been dropping the ball on a lot of these new scratch outfits and accessories the past few months (and the lack of new weapon camos may be a factor, too).


Isn't it amazing that everyone different opinion, and that some of them can cause conflict?

Hello! It sure is amazing!

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Well it's not really a huge difference now is it?

Stating an opinion as a fact when it comes to matters of taste and personal values is incorrect as long as people with different opinions than you exist.


They all a waste of meseta

This statement as is was wrong the moment someone bought the dance and found value in it. The amount spent is a different matter that you didn't bring up, but it is worth something to the group of people that buy it.

[Sizustar]

I would actually explain part of the price increase by a general decrease in the number of people buying into scratches and thus a lower supply of goods. Also could be more stuff in general in the scratches which eats into the number of high-demand goods available for sale on the meseta market.

Yep, not alot of stuff to spend money on, but still making money from selling Soul/gift receptor gear.

[blkbox11]

also 33 mil for the new hair? da hell? it doesnt even look that great

It shot up to 37~38 million in Ship 4 as of today.

A friend of mine was criticizing me for wanting to buy it for 29 million yesterday, and I hesitated. Now I just feel like I've missed a huge opportunity and can no longer afford it. With how large Ship 4's population is, the price may keep going higher every day.

At this point, as long as I can get it with at least a million or two to spare, I'd be happy. I'll probably stalk shops again at JP rush hour because I'm that desperate, lol.

[Ce'Nedra]

I would actually explain part of the price increase by a general decrease in the number of people buying into scratches and thus a lower supply of goods. Also could be more stuff in general in the scratches which eats into the number of high-demand goods available for sale on the meseta market.

Doesn't help also that lately sega packs each scratch with like 20 revivals and recolors so there is even less chance to scratch the dance/hairs so the price skyrockets. That and I'm sure less people scratch since DCO are a nice income nowadays. I'm sure there are multiple reasons combined for the price increase but these seem most obvious to me.

Dances and such started to get this stupid expensive since dance 20...Last I heard Dance20 is like 58mil or so now. I kinda wanted to buy this and last scratch dances but since they are like 15m base I'm not even gonna bother. Obligatory January revival scratch when sega?

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Dances and such started to get this stupid expensive since dance 20.

I keep saying dance 20-22 started at 4-6mil. The cheerleader dance was the start of day one 12mil+ pricetags.

[saraishadow]

There honestly needs to be a scratch with just Lobby Action revivals IMO

[Dycize]

There honestly needs to be a scratch with just Lobby Action revivals IMO

A "Dance Fever" scratch has always been a dream of mine.
Can you imagine, a scratch where you just have all of those dances that you missed and will probably never get because their price flew way up high or because no one is selling them ever?
And throw in Space Disco(tm) costumes with it or something because we all know we need costumes in scratches.

[Xaeris]

Rather, I'd like to see them rework the gold scratch. Does anyone even use that thing as it is? 500 AC per scratch to remove nearly all the actually valuable items from the pool? Stupid. Instead, populate the AC gold scratch with only the dances, hairstyles and new outfits (none of the revivals or recolors) from that scratch. I'm half and half on whether accessories would go in as well.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Rather, I'd like to see them rework the gold scratch. Does anyone even use that thing as it is? 500 AC per scratch to remove nearly all the actually valuable items from the pool? Stupid. Instead, populate the AC gold scratch with only the dances, hairstyles and new outfits (none of the revivals or recolors) from that scratch. I'm half and half on whether accessories would go in as well.

... and SEGA will make more money. I guarantee it. Don't know why the bloodsuckers haven't done it yet. I assume their scratch sales have taken a dive for most of this year.

I might even do AC scratch for the first time ever if that was the case.

[Xaelouse]

There honestly needs to be a scratch with just Lobby Action revivals IMO

They're gonna have to do this eventually. They keep releasing so much crap

[Ce'Nedra]

I keep saying dance 20-22 started at 4-6mil. The cheerleader dance was the start of day one 12mil+ pricetags.

Comparing to how stuff before that was like 2-3 mil range its still a lot imo. Then again I never bought any dance before 20 really unless it was like dirt cheap (under 500k) ^^; But yeah Cheerleader was indeed something like that, it's just not worth it for me anymore to buy any of the LAs since I often barely even have 10-20 mil.

[Selphea]

I want Dance 12 but it seems to be gone forever T_T

[Gwyndolin]

I snatched a 10 million Dance 29 earlier today... I giggled in glee!!

/dance 29

[saraishadow]

I got real lucky with 27 (cheerleader dance) and got it from the scratch, those droprates are murder