Ultimate Lillipa Discussion

[Maenara]

Preemptively making this topic so no one else can.

Zeta Granz looks like he'll be pretty intimidating.

[Z-0]

I think the big giant robot boss will be the final boss of CM2. I wonder if we'll see the banthers too.

That's all that matters.

[Shinamori]

Who knows? Maybe we'll see all 3.

[Maenara]

CM2 boss: Vlima Leopard, Falke Leone, and Zeta Granz at the same time!

[LonelyGaruga]

Hm, in retrospect, given that M5 has Burn Draal and M10 has Vol (or was it Burn? Forget) + Diabo, chances are it's gonna be rare Vardha Soma for M5 and (rare) Vardha Soma + rare Zeta Granz for M10.

A level 70 rare Soma with instant death missiles might actually be really annoying.

[Maenara]

That's assuming that CM2 follows the same format as the one we already have.

[Poyonche]

Give me those stones.

[Maenara]

Personally I imaginee the final boss of CM2 being Vlima Leopard and Falke Leone, but with a twist, Zeta Granz is also there, and he's level 80, rare, titled, and immortal.

[Achelousaurus]

Is it just me or do Zeta shields remind of Epsilon?

[Xaeris]

Always remember to check the patch notes for the good stuff.


[Quest Records] Untekked weapons will be documented in the Item Records as their tekked versions.

Yissss

[final_attack]

Er ..... does 1 clear = 1 stones 1 weapon = 250 stones (15 ele) o_O

Lots of new movement indeed. Tried went in as Fo main though.

[Dnd]

Is it just me or do Zeta shields remind of Epsilon?
Considering this is the rare form and its name...
[SPOILER-BOX]http://imageshack.com/a/img540/230/RfTZQJ.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Sparzyle]

So they fused an Epsilon and a Garanz together... I must battle this thing now because Machine slaying PSO experience!! D:<

[Bellion]

. 3.
[SPOILER-BOX]www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5qNqzvZpGA[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Selphea]

Immortal Dove

[spoiler-box]Immortal Dove (www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mnDEwasey4)[/spoiler-box]

[yuln]

5 Angas in 2 runs... This might be better than Naberius for Anga farming even, + the bonus crystal at the end of the quest. The 250 points requirement for loot still persists.

[Rain Walker]

One stone .-. well played

[final_attack]

New Unit ..... from .... Boss with 4(?) Shields

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[Terrence]

Er ..... does 1 clear = 1 stones 1 weapon = 250 stones (15 ele) o_O

One stone .-. well played
Title Counter already gave me 10... Ultimate Lillipa has been out for two hours, let's wait a little more before crying.

[Dnd]

Title Counter already gave me 10... Ultimate Lillipa has been out for two hours, let's wait a little more before crying.

Killing one new boss in ult riripa = 5 stone from title
50 times = 10 stones
100 times = 30 stones

So thats 135 stones from that alone, which isn't so bad for the first one at least

[Rakurai]

I really wish Fomelgion had invincibility on it rather then super armor, because trying to use it while infected enemies are around is suicidal when it locks you in place so the counterattacks from the infection cores hit you.

On a side note, an infected Anga Fandarge will show up if the Fandarge Bits ET changes over twice.

[Mattykins]

Still, you need a thousand to get a 60% weapon, assuming none drop in the run itself.

[Superia]

Still, you need a thousand to get a 60% weapon, assuming none drop in the run itself.

That is true, but the thing is they can drop in the run itself. From mobs, no less. Additionally, Anga seems to have a solid spawn-rate there.

[elryan]

Ran 10x with 250%, no luck so far :(

On the other hand I got Lv.17 Grim Barrage, Immortal Dove and Strezwei already :D

[Achelousaurus]

So they fused an Epsilon and a Garanz together... I must battle this thing now because Machine slaying PSO experience!! D:<
Epsilon Granz.
That's nightmare fuel right there.

[ArcaneTechs]

RIP Grinder market, you were a little above 1k but Ult Lilipa made sure you got there. loads of Liliparium I dont need, sucks i cant sell these.

So far Leopard WL's and Leone JB's have dropped for me, worth nothing tho

EDIT: Rare drop notification is in the options menu, feels good to set it to 10* or 13* only for those who dont know

[Terrence]

I was doing another Ultimate Lillipa run (which I enjoy quite a lot so far) when I realized Fomelgion and Zandion had the same charge jauge. This ruined my day. :no:

[Superia]

Wait you're saying that using one depletes both?

[Selphea]

I was doing another Ultimate Lillipa run (which I enjoy quite a lot so far) when I realized Fomelgion and Zandion had the same charge jauge. This ruined my day. :no:

Rawr raaage rabid frothing how dare you question Sega's design decision etc etc

[Terrence]

Wait you're saying that using one depletes both?
When I used Fomelgion, my Zandion jauge emptied. So...


Rawr raaage rabid frothing how dare you question Sega's design decision etc etc
You try to mimic me ? The fact is I do not question anything. I just say I'm sad about it but I accept it. And I do not rage at all.

[KazukiQZ]

^The shared gauge is shown during the playthrough, by the TEFO Wand player.
I do have Zandeon and Fomelgion on separate subpalette though, and use one of them in the right situation.

[nathanielzor]

Kinda silly to even entertain the idea that compound techs wouldn't share the same CD and charge..

[TaigaUC]

Hope springs eternal.

[wefwq]

RIP Grinder market, you were a little above 1k but Ult Lilipa made sure you got there. loads of Liliparium I dont need, sucks i cant sell these.

So far Leopard WL's and Leone JB's have dropped for me, worth nothing tho

EDIT: Rare drop notification is in the options menu, feels good to set it to 10* or 13* only for those who dont know
Yeah, new options are great it also works for untekked weapon.


Rawr raaage rabid frothing how dare you question Sega's design decision etc etc
y u no respect sega whiteknight

[Sayara]

Do you need to have cleared the first CO to get the 2nd CO for the compounded techs?
The slave weapons look are just too fantastic to ignore this time around.


[Creating a New Technique I] must be cleared as well.
I answered my self.

[elryan]

http://i.imgur.com/LMsftMt.png

EDIT, Analysis:

If I am to compare this skill to other classes' skill, I can safely say that this is Gunner's Assault Buster.

This skill allows you to close the gap towards an enemy and attack, just like Dead Approach. It also cost 20 PP like Dead Approach but with subtle differences.

First of all, you'd probably notice that Dead Approach don't get headshots and Zero Range bonuses. This skill hits are registered as shooting skill and thus receive those bonuses.

Grim Barrage doesn't travel vertically, only horizontally (again, like Dead Approach). But as you spam this skill, you will gain elevation after you shot.

Grim Barrage travel slower than Dead Approach and less spamable but much further, making it a more ideal travel skill compared to Dead Approach.

And of course, Dead Approach stuns the enemy, this skill simply damages the enemy but not launch them (I think only stagger), making this skill somewhat less painful when being used in MPAs.

There's a slight delay between stopping and attacking enemy (unlike Dead Approach / Asagiri / Assault Buster), so make sure to add that timing into your move calculation when engaging the enemy.

And unlike Dead Approach, you can change palette WHEN you shot using Grim Barrage AND cancelable anytime after flight, which makes this skill extremely chain-able with no delays whatsoever.

Conclusion? This skill obtained a permanent spot into my palette #6. Cheers SEGA.

[Selphea]

http://i.imgur.com/LMsftMt.png

On the plus side the new Gunslash PA is pretty much RATK Kanran. Should plug the hole nicely for TMGs and Bullet Bow.

[Dycize]

The new Gunslash PA gets all my love for how amazing it works.
Costs 25PP to activate, if you switch action during it, it will do the other variant for only 10PP. The melee version has an additional combo : if you attack during it, your character will dash forward and perform a melee combo on the ennemy hit. And this one's free. It is also very fast, I love it. We need more PAs like this one Sega! It's fun!

[Xaeris]

I was wondering that that bit about PP was in the description moonrunes. I'll definitely try that out. ...Soon as I put together a serviceable gunslash. Can't exactly go running around in UQ with an Axeon.

[Nyansan]

On the plus side the new Gunslash PA is pretty much RATK Kanran. Should plug the hole nicely for TMGs and Bullet Bow.

Tested gun form of new PA on my GuRa, seems pretty OP since jump + PA pretty much means I can easily get headshots. Plus, +40 Vraolet Zero with PP restorate guarantees I can spam it over and over again .3.

10/10, will be my new mobbing tool.

[milranduil]

You try to mimic me ? The fact is I do not question anything. I just say I'm sad about it but I accept it. And I do not rage at all.

[spoiler-box]
https://whoputmeinchargehere.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/go-home-youre-drunk.jpg
[/spoiler-box]

[Z-0]

Remember folks, thinking negatively about anything equates to raging.

[Renvalt]

Remember folks, thinking negatively about anything equates to raging.

I can attest to this. Around here, I am known as living proof of this fact.

[Maenara]

Seems pretty liberal with 11* drops.

[LonelyGaruga]

I can attest to this. Around here, I am known as living proof of this fact.

Doesn't seem like you're aware of the joke. Check Terrence's post history or something. He rages all the time at people complaining about the game. If someone else made the post he did, it'd be pretty much guaranteed that he'd actually genuinely lash out at them for complaining about Sega's design choices.

And stop attention whoring, omg. The only thing this post does is draw attention to yourself.

[wefwq]

It's okay when SEGA does it

[LonelyGaruga]

Popping in to confirm that the 13*s are +300 ATK at level 3. +100/150 at levels 1/2.

As an aside, other weapons and potentials:

サギタレオーネ (Leone WL): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B5%E3%82%AE%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AC%E3% 82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8D) +20% Cerberus Dance
刃鞭パラティーゼル (12* WL): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E5%88%83%E9%9E%AD%E3%83%91%E3%83%A9%E3% 83%86%E3%82%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BC%E3%83%AB) +?% Kaiser Rise, innate Kaiser Rise
シノワレイダー (Sinow TD): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B7%E3%83%8E%E3%83%AF%E3%83%AC%E3% 82%A4%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC) Stun on JA, innate Deband
スキアブレード (Skia Blade): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AD%E3%82%A2%E3%83%96%E3% 83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89) Ancient Oath, 1000 T-ATK at +10
ルグズグランゾ (Granz Knuckles): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B0%E3%82%BA%E3%82%B0%E3% 83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BE) +13% on critical hits
ガルドグランゾ (Granz Launcher): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%AC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89%E3%82%B0%E3% 83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BE) -20% striking/ranged damage
グロブレオパード (Leopard TMGs): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B0%E3%83%AD%E3%83%96%E3%83%AC%E3% 82%AA%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89) Jellen on JA
サイコクーゲル (12* TMGs): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B3%E3%82%AF%E3% 83%BC%E3%82%B2%E3%83%AB) +?% Heel Stab, innate Heel Stab, Hu/Ra/Br equip
メタルアーク (Metal Arc): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%A1%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AB%E3%82%A2%E3% 83%BC%E3%82%AF) +?% Penetrate Arrow, innate Penetrate Arrow, Hu equip
ルースレオパード (Leone Talis): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AC%E3% 82%AA%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89) -19% fire tech charge time
プリメラ・フィオーレ (Primera Fiore): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%97%E3%83%AA%E3%83%A1%E3%83%A9%E3% 83%BB%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC ) Ancient Oath, innate Resta, all-class
シノワガルス (Sinow Wand): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B7%E3%83%8E%E3%83%AF%E3%82%AC%E3% 83%AB%E3%82%B9) +16% fire tech damage
ラジェルレオーネ (Leone JBs): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%AB%E3% 83%AC%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8D) +?% Moment Gale
グロウスクラッパー (Glo-Scrapper): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B0%E3%83%AD%E3%82%A6%E3%82%B9%E3% 82%AF%E3%83%A9%E3%83%83%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC) +10% air damage, Gu/Te equip

EDIT: Might as well post Slave names too.

Sword: Slave Caliber
WL: Slave Chain
Partisan: Slave Lance
TD: Slave Dagger
DS: Slave Saber
Knuckles: Slave Fist
Gunslash: Slave Slash
Katana: Slave Cougar (WTF?)
DB: Slave Dual
AR: Slave Shooter
Launcher: Slave Cannon
TMG: Slave Bullet
BB: Slave Feather
Rod: Slave Sage
Talis: Slave Symbol
Wand: Slave Cross
JB: Slave Shoes

[wefwq]

+300 ATK at level 3
for what purpose, sega really?

[Eternal255]

スキアブレード (Skia Blade): Ancient Oath, 1000 T-ATK at +10

That's a double saber? Wtf?

[Superia]

Do you know if there is a set effect for Guranz' units, and if so, what it is?

[LonelyGaruga]

Someone posted elsewhere that it's +70 S/R-ATK (no T-ATK) and +40 DEX.

[final_attack]

Do you know if there is a set effect for Guranz' units, and if so, what it is?

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3253809&postcount=11117

+70 S-Atk
+70 R-Atk
+40 Dex

Probably will doubled with it's weapons like always.

Rear (2 on the back) + Arm (2 on the front) o-o

60 HP + 7 PP a piece.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://puu.sh/hmZVs/ec2bcdd8ad.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Superia]

Thanks.

[GHNeko]

Immortal Dove

[spoiler-box]Immortal Dove (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mnDEwasey4)[/spoiler-box]

KREYGASM


Popping in to confirm that the 13*s are +300 ATK at level 3. +100/150 at levels 1/2.

As an aside, other weapons and potentials:

サギタレオーネ (Leone WL): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B5%E3%82%AE%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AC%E3% 82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8D) +20% Cerberus Dance
刃鞭パラティーゼル (12* WL): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E5%88%83%E9%9E%AD%E3%83%91%E3%83%A9%E3% 83%86%E3%82%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BC%E3%83%AB) +?% Kaiser Rise, innate Kaiser Rise
シノワレイダー (Sinow TD): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B7%E3%83%8E%E3%83%AF%E3%83%AC%E3% 82%A4%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC) Stun on JA, innate Deband
スキアブレード (Skia Blade): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AD%E3%82%A2%E3%83%96%E3% 83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89) Ancient Oath, 1000 T-ATK at +10
ルグズグランゾ (Granz Knuckles): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B0%E3%82%BA%E3%82%B0%E3% 83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BE) +13% on critical hits
ガルドグランゾ (Granz Launcher): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%AC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89%E3%82%B0%E3% 83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BE) -20% striking/ranged damage
グロブレオパード (Leopard TMGs): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B0%E3%83%AD%E3%83%96%E3%83%AC%E3% 82%AA%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89) Jellen on JA
サイコクーゲル (12* TMGs): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B3%E3%82%AF%E3% 83%BC%E3%82%B2%E3%83%AB) +?% Heel Stab, innate Heel Stab, Hu/Ra/Br equip
メタルアーク (Metal Arc): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%A1%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AB%E3%82%A2%E3% 83%BC%E3%82%AF) +?% Penetrate Arrow, innate Penetrate Arrow, Hu equip
ルースレオパード (Leone Talis): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AC%E3% 82%AA%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89) -19% fire tech charge time
プリメラ・フィオーレ (Primera Fiore): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%97%E3%83%AA%E3%83%A1%E3%83%A9%E3% 83%BB%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC ) Ancient Oath, innate Resta, all-class
シノワガルス (Sinow Wand): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B7%E3%83%8E%E3%83%AF%E3%82%AC%E3% 83%AB%E3%82%B9) +16% fire tech damage
ラジェルレオーネ (Leone JBs): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%AB%E3% 83%AC%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8D) +?% Moment Gale
グロウスクラッパー (Glo-Scrapper): (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%82%B0%E3%83%AD%E3%82%A6%E3%82%B9%E3% 82%AF%E3%83%A9%E3%83%83%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC) +10% air damage, Gu/Te equip


>innate resta talis

OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDD

FINALLY. I can finally work towards not having any healing items on me jesus christ.

[elryan]

Immortal Dove

[spoiler-box]Immortal Dove (www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mnDEwasey4)[/spoiler-box]

What the fuck

[AsuravonD]

Seems you need S rank to get the end run stone? Got A rank and received no such stone

[Poyonche]

Seems you need S rank to get the end run stone? Got A rank and received no such stone

Noticed that too.

Got a stone with S rank.
No stone with A rank.

[Superia]

I think I got one that time I got murdelized by Guranz like twice consecutively though. I'll have to check.

[Agastya]

for what purpose, sega really?
Slave series lat sounds hilarious for wands.

Come to me, Slave Cross. I welcome you with open arms.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

What the fuck

Not sure if you're impressed or not, but chain trigger gimmicks to weakpoints make anything look good.

It's not that amazing by itself. Little more than half the damage of a heavenly kite.

[Poyonche]

Slave Cougar also sounds... weird...

You know, those women and those young men..

[Bellion]

Maybe it's just meant to be Kuga or Kuuga and not to be translated into English. . 3.

[LonelyGaruga]

Oh, that's right. クーガ is what the Slave katana is named. クーガー is the kana in Cougar NX's name.

So what's a Kuga/Kuuga .-.

[Shinamori]

It's probably "空牙" written in katakana which translates to "Sky Fang".

[Vunik]

So, I've been looking all over...has no one talked about the fact that there are new 11* weapons in Ult Lillipa? I've seen the posts about 12* and 13*, but nothing about all these new 11* I'm picking up.

Nothing about these drops over on the jp wiki either. Can't post screenshots straight to the post due to post count, but here are the few I've picked up so far.


11* Twin Daggers
i.imgur.com/4U5y8eH.jpg
i.imgur.com/uApiHyo.jpg

11* Wand
i.imgur.com/BhUOPaB.jpg
i.imgur.com/PML2uU2.jpg

11* Boots
i.imgur.com/cSHZQyp.jpg
i.imgur.com/M20xefo.jpg

[LonelyGaruga]

I posted about that stuff two pages ago. They're all pretty lame anyway.

[Vunik]

My mistake. I saw that post, but assumed they were all 12* when I read it. Didn't click the links unfortunately.

[ArcaneTechs]

I literally can not stand running this UQ with Mundo Fenix players, all I see is SA spam on every character action, they die super dam fast over and over, they are spamming GLORY RAIN on NON grouped enemies, they are running ahead into mobs of 20+ and getting themselves killed. I mean omg, Mundo Fenix players are like a whole brand of bad players on their own. I'm sure a good handful of them are actually "good" but I havent seen that over the years. Correct me if I'm wrong heh and dont get me started on their gear either....

Anyways, so far 11hrs straight 250% RDR has yielded me nothing but trash 10/11*'s, getting kinda annoyed at seeing Anga since well you know farming and all and would mainly like to see new bosses only atm.

Any luck with 13* drops for you guys?

EDIT: I also noticed Ult Lilipa runs somewhat super smoother than Ult Nab, I guess thats thanks to the visual nerfs? either way it's nice for Sega to finally implement this already, now if they can only optomize this game so it does overheat the CPU so easily....

[Punisher106]

Man, Ult Lillipa has been nothing but a lag fest. It'd be like "Oh! A level 17 PA disc that only drops here! *Runs up to it and hits E*" And I have to wait like four minutes for it to be added to my inventory. I even got a 630. Sega, fix your servers. |:

[Mattykins]

I didn't have that trouble with Ult except back when I was trying to play it on a shit computer, and there were so many effects and bodies around that my computer was thoroughly raped trying to render it.

[Rakurai]

I don't quite understand how it's possible to get less then a S rank despite not returning to the campship, but it happened the first time I ran the quest.

...Maybe there were so many ETs that I didn't get the required amount of kills for a S rank before the quest ended?

[Maenara]

It'd be nice if Anga's ET didn't give you a milliion fucking points.

[Xaeris]

That's what happened to me earlier. Got an A rank on a deathless run. I got two Angas nearly back to back and robo puppies, so my enemy defeat score was only 95% and some change by the end.

[nathanielzor]

You have to really be trying hard not to get an S Rank. If I come in and theres already an Anga spawned or something I just go off on my own and kill some mobs, or spawn some and bring them to everyone else.

[the_importer_]

So ya, playing it for the first time and I got this 12* Talis that doesn't allows you to equip techs on it, it only does Resta. Worst part, it has the potential of 14% to elemental weakness, oh the irony -_-

[LonelyGaruga]

You can place techs over the Resta it comes with. It just has Resta as its default tech because it enables you to use Resta regardless of class. From what I hear about these weapons, you have to replace them every time you put them on your palette, and if you put them over a normal weapon, the palette changes to whatever the weapon has as its default, so it's annoying to change your palette up. But you can use any tech with that weapon.

[TaigaUC]

Yeah, you have to replace them everytime. It sucks.

[ArcaneTechs]

Man, Ult Lillipa has been nothing but a lag fest. It'd be like "Oh! A level 17 PA disc that only drops here! *Runs up to it and hits E*" And I have to wait like four minutes for it to be added to my inventory. I even got a 630. Sega, fix your servers. |:
I thought that was just me, I have a pretty decent pc thats not even a year old and i'm getting that 5-20 sec delay on hitting/healing/killing/picking up stuff. I cut my youtube vids off and noticed it catches up a bit faster so then i just used my own music and it's doing okay so far but ya, the massive cluster fuck of attacks and explosions etc is sorta taking it's toll at times, kinda annoying

I'm already gonna give up on using 250%'s on this UQ, idk how people are faring on the Slave drops but man it feels worse than Anga. Every other boss has these massive drop pools filled with grinders that are making more and more less inclined to pick up along with Lilipariums so I can only assume I'll see a Slave weapon drop off the new bosses since all the PSE Bursts I've gone through drop nada

The trade-ins this time around for the weapons seem incredibly tedious, I give props to people willing to clear this UQ 250 times AFTER grabbing all the Titles from this. I was expecting for stones to be dropping from enemies, not 1 per clear quest

[TaigaUC]

I hope they don't remove Free Partners again because of the lag.

Last week's Magatsus were super laggy as hell.

[Achelousaurus]

http://i.imgur.com/LMsftMt.png
Yeah, just like bow didn't get better mobbing but Chase Arrow instead.
Cause WE NEED MORE MULTIPLIERS.

Anyway, ironically I didn't lag. Not during Elder and not during lilipa.
My ping maybe 336+ but without the lag it's bearable.

Anyway, I liked ult lilipa.
It's less of a clusterfuck than naberius.
Sure, the enemy density is similar but the enemies have lower def (easy 19k sakura on mobs when I struggled to get 13k in ult nab) and also lower hp.

Combined with the kfc boost, I can now actually clear mobs with it, making it extremely useful to remove the clusterfuck and focus on a boss.

Still gotta get used to the ult Dingel energy beam spin though and I fought one Guranz. Damn he hits hard and especially often.
And 3 runs, 1 stone. If I was really intending to get a Slave weapon I'd be pissed.

But I don't actually give a fuck about them except maybe for getting to 60 element on another weapon (ares I suppose but I don't feel like grinding for that) cheesing with 5% element boosters.

[Aurorra]

Do area drops not show in the item record, or are Slave series drops so rare that no one has gotten one yet?

[Stickboy]

it just got updated

[LonelyGaruga]

Still no Slave weapons on the drop chart. Normally area drops do show up on them. And we know people got Slave weapons from random drops, because it's literally impossible for a person to have acquired a Slave weapon through stones by the time swiki updated the potential with its confirmed values, and there are pictures of some of the Slave weapons not shown in trailers.

So who knows what's going on here.

[Shinamori]

I foubt its impossible since you can get 135 stones from titles awards.

[final_attack]

Could be players from another ship then? The drop record is per ship, right?

Kinda wondering how many Slave series dropped o-o Should be at least 1 drop, I think. Since some blocks is full, most likely people doing UQ.

[LonelyGaruga]

I foubt its impossible since you can get 135 stones from titles awards.

Which means completing 115+ S-rank runs in the span of nine hours, depending on whether you unlock the titles by then or not.

[Superia]

Well, I saw someone with the Slave wand like two hours after the server opened (which is when I woke up). I am almost certain that they drop.

[Poyonche]

Area drop aren't shown, just looks at Ultimate Naberius, we don't see the Dio weps which are area drops, same go for Ult. Lillipa.

[LonelyGaruga]

They show for EQs, so don't know what to say about that.

[Macmaxi]

Actually the graphical changes did something for me. When i tried to stream any Ult content before i got 0 fps because of the heavy CPU load. Now i can stream on 60 FPS with shaders on no problem.

[Poyonche]

They show for EQs, so don't know what to say about that.

Lets say it doesn't show for UQ then. May depend of the quest type.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

This ult is cheap as fk.

That is all.

[Maenara]

This ult is cheap as fk.

That is all.

Did you died?

[Superia]

I bet they died.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Plenty. Already bad enough anga makes me miss having guard, but being blindsided by everything, zondeel seems to not work, and so much hit-stun immune mechs just tells me to use katanas instead.

On that note, foudo is a godsend, seriously.

[Kondibon]

but being blindsided by everything, zondeel seems to not work, and so much hit-stun immune Have you not done Ult Nab...?

Someone needs to make a SA telling people to break the white boosts...

[Superia]

Have you not done Ult Nab...?

I feel like Ultimate Naberius was much more hectic. I do not I've died more than twice here total.

[Rakurai]

The Gunkaisers are the only enemy I absolutely loathe, simply because their standard three-shot volley is stupidly overpowered and they spam it even more then Signoguns do.

They're the only enemy I can think that doesn't follow the logic of "more hits = less power".

[Kondibon]

I feel like Ultimate Naberius was much more hectic. I do not I've died more than twice here total.I was just pointing out that all the stuff in ult lilipa is in ult nab. The ineffectiveness of zoneel and the lack of hitstun are from the boost things. If you break them then it gets a LOT easier. But you have to break the white ones first because they spread the black ones to other enemies.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Have you not done Ult Nab...?

Gilnas
Dingel

They are hitstun immune. Dingel only gets hitstunned if you hit their rear core. Nab enemies were fodder.


The Gunkaisers are the only enemy I absolutely loathe, simply because their standard three-shot volley is stupidly overpowered and they spam it even more then Signoguns do.

They're the only enemy I can think that doesn't follow the logic of "more hits = less power".

This so much. They do too much damage per shot.

[Selphea]

I find it's more Boots friendly than it is DBs. Double Jump is very useful and there's lots of tall mechs so if you position your jump height correctly you'll hover over most attacks while being able to hit most mobs. Not to mention Moment Gale being better AoE DPS and easier to regain PP in the air.

Main drawback is I see a lot of other Boots users in there as well so Boots resist is common on Anga, and if I use Daggers instead of Boots I might end up with Dagger + Boots resist.

[Punisher106]

I play a more defensive role, and just run Ult Lillipa with a bow. Anga usually has katana resist, so all the better.

[Bellion]

With striking resistant 400k+ hp Grandilgas, annoying 400k+ hp Kind Yedis, wrestle bear, and spontaneous combustion mammoths; Ult Nab is definitely much more hectic.

Lilipa is so relaxing compared to it.

[Selphea]

Bow build makes me cry in there TBH. I aim at Banther and it jumps away, I aim at Zeta and it shields itself, I aim at Anga and some ball gets in the way or it teleports. And then a Sinow starts chasing me and I spend like 150 PP trying to shoot its head off and somehow missing headshots all the time.

[Kondibon]

EDIT: Since we're talking about what classes we used. I've only done runs as Te/Fo. People might complain about talis use but throwing in a talis before all the enemies get fully boosted means I can still use zondeel so hah. :I


Gilnas
Dingel

They are hitstun immune. Dingel only gets hitstunned if you hit their rear core. Nab enemies were fodder.
Jarmagles
Kaisefuehgo


If anything complain that the gilnas have no S-atk weak points. >_>

[Selphea]

They don't? I could've sworn I hit them for 14k using Moment Gale.

[Kondibon]

They don't? I could've sworn I hit them for 14k using Moment Gale.Do they still open their cores for some of their attack? I haven't seen it, but I could just be wrong.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

EDIT: Since we're talking about what classes we used. I've only done runs as Te/Fo. People might complain about talis use but throwing in a talis before all the enemies get fully boosted means I can still use zondeel so hah. :I


Jarmagles
Kaisefuehgo


If anything complain that the gilnas have no S-atk weak points. >_>

Jamangles are free kills thanks to the pimple on their back (ew).
Kaisefuehgo are free the moment you get behind them before someone kills a fueghgo, and they tend to spam fireballs more then they should, giving plenty of chances.


Do they still open their cores for some of their attack? I haven't seen it, but I could just be wrong.

Rarely.

[Xaelouse]

The minibosses in Ult Nab were more annoying solely because they can spawn in groups of 3.
Meanwhile Falke Leone/Vlima Leopard both can be sorta stunlocked like their counterparts but not as severe. They're tougher when they're together but not by much, way more Warcry friendly than say 3 bayaribbles.
Zeta Granz is the biggest joke in there though. Even Vlima does projectile spam better than him.

[Bellion]

Burning a Rapid Gilnas stuns them when they open their cores, just like shock for regular Gilnas.
Just hope you get into an MPA with a bunch of Forces that use Gifoie, Zondeel, and Fomelgion.

To be honest, even 2 combustion mammoths were more of a threat than the Leo pair. They keep attacking non-stop unlike the Leos that seem to give you a short break even if they're concentrated on you.

[Kondibon]

Jamangles are free kills thanks to the pimple on their back (ew).
Kaisefuehgo are free the moment you get behind them before someone kills a fueghgo, and they tend to spam fireballs more then they should, giving plenty of chances.



Rarely.My views are skewed because I get carried super hard I guess.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Yeah nab subbosses are worse I admit.

Just that we have a grand total of... 6 different LI abberations, 2 of which are hitstun immune, makes for a higher density of enemies that give no fucks, compared to... just jarmangles, and its forever exposed pimple. I don't even count kaisefuehgo because they're easy to get behind.

Anyway, if they're just like their normal counterparts, a smack of fudo to gilnas/dingel, and they have to sit there and take the beating in the full stun

[Kondibon]

I have to admit. It's nice to actually have a reason to use CC other than zondeel.

[LonelyGaruga]

Falke Leone aggro is bullshit as a Force.

I don't have a problem with being one-shot by a titled enraged Leone tackle, that's something that can be learned to be dealt with through learning its patterns, or fixed by actually finishing crafting them instead of running around with minimum level craft. I don't have a problem with spending more time dodging than attacking, that just requires patience. I don't have a problem with the fact that it's difficult for other people to draw its aggro away from me, that's just how the boss is designed, and not everyone has War Cry. I don't have a problem with the narrower areas of Ultimate Lilipa, that's just how the map layout is. I don't have a problem with how Ultimate Lilipa throws projectiles out in every direction, since even a couple enemies at once are no big deal, and most are probably aimed at other people anyway.

But when Leone crosses a quarter of the map in the time it takes to blink to hit me (not even hyperbole, Leone moves that fast when doing its backflip attack)? When a good half dozen or so enemies on the map are aggroing me at the same time as Leone? When I can't lock on or TPS because Foie is so friggin' huge it blocks my view of everything I aim it at, so I have to adjust the camera to get a look at things and get stuck aiming at the closest target instead of what I actually want to hit? What the fuck Sega.

That last one in particular really bugs me. Whatever Sega did to reduce graphics on player attacks should have both been optional and something you could apply to yourself, too. If I could just see what's going on this wouldn't be such a grating problem to me.

But outside of that, Ultimate Lilipa's honestly been kind of a snoozefest after the first few runs and figuring out how everything behaves now. Especially Granz and Anga. Never did Ultimate Naberius much so it didn't really sink in just how easy Anga is. If the MPAs were better, Leone could probably be handled very easily since not only can it be flinched many times, it also gets stunned by Burn. Usually see 3 burns. Seems to be about 5 seconds of free hits each burn.

I'm still trying to figure out why Sega thought it was a good idea to make Leone actually move faster than the eye can keep up with, though. It wasn't even lag. One second, it wasn't there, the next it was. And the same update gave Zeshrayda speed nerfs? Makes no sense.

[Hysteria1987]

Falke Leone aggro is bullshit as a Force.

I came on here to complain exactly about this :-P

I wouldn't mind knowing just what drives aggro for some of these abberations. Some I've found will persistently hound me even if I don't bother them too much (see: Leone; jumping over an MPA to reach me), others I'll go for only to have them run past me and harass some dude at the back, even if I'm leading the pack and am first to attack. Rapid Gilnas seems to do that a lot- picks on the players that aren't picking on them...

The sheer numbers of Angas I'm running into though is stunning, I can't say that's a bad thing even if my focus is on the Slave gear. Not to mention we can get said gear with farmable items! Zeta Guranz is a lot of fun too, and I like that the area's very reminiscent of old PSO's Mines.

Fomelgion's a bit of a risk though, but I suppose that's the price a mobbing class pays for a bossing tech :-P

[TaigaUC]

I did Ulti Lilipa on all my main Fo/Tes to get Folmelgion.
I did notice that the mecha-banthers kept charging me over and over from miles away, which was pretty irritating.
Didn't die (Saiki/Brisa), but didn't really have time to attack.

[Flaoc]

doesnt seem to be anything as threatening in here as diabo igrithys or multi mammoths however if the melee zoid banther is left unchecked it goes berserk

[TaigaUC]

Whenever I tried Naberius everything turns into a huge clusterfux with crap flying everywhere and getting hit by random crap.
Naberius has smaller areas and the enemies tend to match the background color. Makes it harder to tell what the hell is going on.
I think Ulti Lilipa is less of a mess than Naberius because enemies generally tend to be more spread out, and they're usually easier to see against the backdrop.

I still think everything about PSO1 Mines >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PSO2 Mines, though.

[the_importer_]

I finally got killed once in Ult Lillipa and after I got my 2000 points and got my grading, it was an A. This means that even if you get revived in this quest, you don't get your S-Ranking, meaning no Crystal reward.

Seems like the best strategy besides not dying would be to just go back to your campship, just quit & rejoin the MPA?

What do you think?

[Poyonche]

Even when I died and got revived after that, I got my stone at the end of the quest, are you sure you didn't miss any ennemies or returned to campship before you reached the 2000pts ?

[milranduil]

I finally got killed once in Ult Lillipa and after I got my 2000 points and got my grading, it was an A. This means that even if you get revived in this quest, you don't get your S-Ranking, meaning no Crystal reward.

Seems like the best strategy besides not dying would be to just go back to your campship, just quit & rejoin the MPA?

What do you think?

No, being revived does not reduce points. The only 2 ways you will not get S is if you:
1) get back to back to back boss codes meaning not enough mobs are killed to achieve 700pts
2) you return to campship after dying

[the_importer_]

No, being revived does not reduce points. The only 2 ways you will not get S is if you:
1) get back to back to back boss codes meaning not enough mobs are killed to achieve 700pts
2) you return to campship after dying

Oh ya, we did get a lot of bosses on that run. Thanks for the info.

[Lax]

Doing this UQ as a FO is just suffering, even more so than Nab UQ because signo guns shooting and Gilnas and Dingell run super fast with super armor to techs

Folmegion having no invincibility frames like zandion does not help either

[un1t27]

Doing this UQ as a FO is just suffering, even more so than Nab UQ because signo guns shooting and Gilnas and Dingell run super fast with super armor to techs

Folmegion having no invincibility frames like zandion does not help either

You must be a terrible force.

[Lax]

You must be a terrible force.

Mirage step doesnt help when you are surrounded by mobs which kill you in 2 hits

[Edson Drake]

He's right, Force(fire) draws a lot more aggro.

I kept being attacked by mobs and bosses while my Showtime Gunner(don't judge I need lv17 Gunner PA) kept being ignored and I was constantly headshotting them. Weird.

[Bellion]

Okay, how to Fire Fo in UQ Lilipa:
1. Talis->Zondeel->Gifoie spam
2. Use Rod and Gifoie spam when you're surrounded
3. Zanverse to JA Fomelgion and wipe out an entire spawn at a safe distance, don't rush up to trigger a spawn.
4. Don't ever use Rafoie unless there is a single spawn at a far distance.
5. Gifoie spam stunlocks literally everything there except bosses unless the mechanical leos get burned, which does stun them. Gilnas also gets stunned by burn status.

Don't bother using Fomelgion on a boss if they have an infection or you're pretty much asking to die.

[Edson Drake]

There it is then, *snap* need the goddamn fire talis now.

I don't die much, but having to keep dodging gets old really fast.

[Perfect Chaos]

He's right, Force(fire) draws a lot more aggro.

I kept being attacked by mobs and bosses while my Showtime Gunner(don't judge I need lv17 Gunner PA) kept being ignored and I was constantly headshotting them. Weird.You don't really need to main Gunner to get that PA. From my experience, all of the UQ PAs drop just as common no matter what class you main. I've done 25 runs of UQ Lillipa so far, all as a Force main, and picked up 4 lv17 Grim Barrage discs. (Unless you mean the other, non-UQ PAs at level 17?)

[ArcaneTechs]

The amount of Grim Barrage and that new Partisan PA discs i see dropping as a FI is too dam much, I've seen like 4 ID Pa's and 2 new DS Pa's at 17 so far. GS PA is common as hell too so wont put that in but really, play w/e you main, you'll see all the PA's drop for ya eventually

[Selphea]

Whaaaa I'm still trying to hunt Immortal Dove 17 and Strezwei 17 T_T

[ArcaneTechs]

Whaaaa I'm still trying to hunt Immortal Dove 17 and Strezwei 17 T_T
I have 4 ID's and 8 Strez atm, I'd give you one of each if i could

[Rehal]

3. Zanverse to JA Fomelgion and wipe out an entire spawn at a safe distance, don't rush up to trigger a spawn.

Should be mii and YOLO Fomelgion . 3.!!

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[Maninbluejumpsuit]

FOs aren't nearly OP enough.

Damnit SEGA... this is one of those reasons I get salty when stuff like BO mainclass sucking isn't addressed.



Anyway so fudo>rapid gilnases; they sit in the fill stun getting owned as I said.

Dingels look like they don't get stunned...? Pretty sure I used it against ones without an infection.

Maybe if I hit the tiny core on their ass with fudo...

[Rakurai]

Pretty sure they just don't get stunned.

I've never seen it happen when they get hit by Julius Nifta, at least.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Whaaaa I'm still trying to hunt Immortal Dove 17 and Strezwei 17 T_T

I managed to not get shit on by luck; I got both of those at 17, spares for the alt ill never make, resta 17, and anti 17.

[ArcaneTechs]

So hows the luck so far on them Slave weps? I stopped using about 18hrs worth of 250% tickets for this so called area drop (with hundreds of things dying and about around 60 runs done, maybe more, you'd think one would drop by now, even off the huge drop pools from the new bosses), I'm having way better luck getting 13*'s off Anga so far than getting a Slave Wep

[Rakurai]

I don't mind spamming rare drop boosters because the 10* rate seems better then in Naberius UQ.

Haven't gotten anything worth mentioning yet, though.

[ArcaneTechs]

I don't mind spamming rare drop boosters because the 10* rate seems better then in Naberius UQ.

Haven't gotten anything worth mentioning yet, though.
Boosted Anga is like the best thing ever, either dumb luck or what but 3 13*'s in one day of spamming Ult Lilipa, I cant complain. I feel though this may become the thing to start doing if people give up on Slave since well, looking at the drop record, Are's 13*'s are super high in drops this time around than Nab has ever been

[milranduil]

I don't mind spamming rare drop boosters because the 10* rate seems better then in Naberius UQ.

Haven't gotten anything worth mentioning yet, though.
You're more likely seeing a higher 10* rate simply because people are actually running and killing mobs (full runs) whereas you spent half of your time in nab uq killing mobs and the other half killing anga.

Boosted Anga is like the best thing ever, either dumb luck or what but 3 13*'s in one day of spamming Ult Lilipa, I cant complain. I feel though this may become the thing to start doing if people give up on Slave since well, looking at the drop record, Are's 13*'s are super high in drops this time around than Nab has ever been

1) dumb luck (though infection does "help" drop rate, my first lilipa ares was off-class from non-titled, not infected anga of course :wacko:)
2) boxed weapons now count towards the drop record, so the rate is (probably) exactly the same for ares.

[Keilyn]

Whaaaa I'm still trying to hunt Immortal Dove 17 and Strezwei 17 T_T

Ah yes...
I haven't tried this map yet...

In Recovery after my seventh near-death experience in real life, but at least Im alive and well to see how far my Berserker Newman build can go on that map. :)

[ArcaneTechs]

1) dumb luck (though infection does "help" drop rate, my first lilipa ares was off-class from non-titled, not infected anga of course :wacko:)
2) boxed weapons now count towards the drop record, so the rate is (probably) exactly the same for ares.
not even 15 kills apart, about 3/15 were un-boosted and i got another 13* from a un-boosted one (all Are's, forgot to mention that last post). This sorta feels wrong or should it feel right? here I am trying to get one of the Slave weps (whether its good or not, just want one) and I'm getting Are's weps instead, I dont know what the RNGesus is trying to do to me, im scared haha

I'm starting to get some bad lag though, in terms of hitting and seeing my damage come up 5 seconds later, same with recovery but it clears up when theres maybe around 10 enemies left on the screen instead of 20. it was this bad the past few days but its starting to kick in. I really dont what it is, Im kinda just assuming its Ult in general but even Nab Ult didnt give me these delays

[Flaoc]

I'm starting to get some bad lag though, in terms of hitting and seeing my damage come up 5 seconds later, same with recovery but it clears up when theres maybe around 10 enemies left on the screen instead of 20. it was this bad the past few days but its starting to kick in. I really dont what it is, Im kinda just assuming its Ult in general but even Nab Ult didnt give me these delays

im noticing that too as i can play ult nab just fine but lillipa is such a lag fest.. like my toaster handles 1st phase magatsu better than lillipa and 1st phase magatsu was laggier in general than ultimate nab (for me)

[Edson Drake]

Boosted Anga is like the best thing ever, either dumb luck or what but 3 13*'s in one day of spamming Ult Lilipa, I cant complain. I feel though this may become the thing to start doing if people give up on Slave since well, looking at the drop record, Are's 13*'s are super high in drops this time around than Nab has ever been

Oh now I know where all my missing 13* are going to... they are going to you! Grrr

[BIG OLAF]

So, like, what's the drop rate in this mission? Haven't gotten anything at all.

(not like I did in Ult. Forest either, but you know)

[milranduil]

With 250% you might a get a 10-11* every run or 2. Pray for 13* like everyone else does, regardless of boosts . 3.b

[ArcaneTechs]

Oh now I know where all my missing 13* are going to... they are going to you! Grrr
Wish I could share my luck with you, todays hunts are rather odd for me

So, like, what's the drop rate in this mission? Haven't gotten anything at all.
(not like I did in Ult. Forest either, but you know)
10*'s are more abundant from what I've seen versus Nab being somewhat barren in a way. I stopped using tickets unless Anga spawns and whether or not I get something I let the ticket run its course. Enjoy the millions of grinders from new bosses, tell you that much. Terms of Slave weps, no idea, drop chart doesnt show the amount and if 18hrs of non stop 250% doesnt say much, i dont know what to tell ya

[oratank]

we known new content day one have supreme drop rate :wacko:

[ArcaneTechs]

we known new content day one have supreme drop rate :wacko:
but it's day 4

[Edson Drake]

Wish I could share my luck with you, todays hunts are rather odd for me

10*'s are more abundant from what I've seen versus Nab being somewhat barren in a way. I stopped using tickets unless Anga spawns and whether or not I get something I let the ticket run its course. Enjoy the millions of grinders from new bosses, tell you that much. Terms of Slave weps, no idea, drop chart doesnt show the amount and if 18hrs of non stop 250% doesnt say much, i dont know what to tell ya

You know what's funny? I'm seeing people everywhere on lobbies walking around with 60 element 13* weapons, but no one on my friendlist that's hunting for them, myself included, never found one. It's like there's a special trick or just the right amount of RDR you need.

Of course down the road I'll have my slave weapon, once I finish 150 more games.

[BIG OLAF]

What's this "Slave" weapon people are talking about?

[Xaeris]

It's the name of the new 13* weapon line that both drops in Ultimate Lilipa and can be bought with stones earned from clearing the quest. They all share the same latent: +300 to all Atk stats while over 50% PP.

[BIG OLAF]

Stones? I don't recall getting any stones from doing the quest. They're not random, are they?

[LonelyGaruga]

No, they're guaranteed as a quest reward. Only 1 per S rank run though. Get a bunch through titles though.

[Xaeris]

No, you're guaranteed to get one when you S rank a clear. It shows up in your mission results (the one you see when you go to campship), though it's added to your inventory automatically as soon as you finish

[Maenara]

Anthropomorphized mechabanther!
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/BqQ67gm.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[BIG OLAF]

No, you're guaranteed to get one when you S rank a clear. It shows up in your mission results (the one you see when you go to campship), though it's added to your inventory automatically as soon as you finish

Oh. I never noticed any in my inventory. I'll have to check again.

EDIT: I do have two, but the trade counter says you need 250 for a 13*? So you really have to do 250 Ult. Mines runs to get one...? Really?


Anthropomorphized mechabanther!
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/BqQ67gm.jpg[/spoiler-box]

That's gross, honestly.

[Perfect Chaos]

Anthropomorphized mechabanther!
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/BqQ67gm.jpg[/spoiler-box]LOL Moe Chibi Loli Of course some Japanese artist would do that.

[Maenara]

That's gross, honestly.

http://www.bodylovewellness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/well-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-gif-the-dude-lebowski.gif

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Okay, so zondeel working well in ult lili seems to be entirely dependent on the mpa's 'host'.

Also, FOs need nerfs, like... now. Seriously. I think I lost the ability to say 'at least I can XXXX' as some other pleabian class sans RA. FOs are just too damn strong, now more than ever.

[cheapgunner]

Okay, so zondeel working well in ult lili seems to be entirely dependent on the mpa's 'host'.

Also, FOs need nerfs, like... now. Seriously. I think I lost the ability to say 'at least I can XXXX' as some other pleabian class sans RA. FOs are just too damn strong, now more than ever.

Forces don't need nerfs. Its a glass cannon. Heck, how much damage are the top of the crop even doing?? I struggle killing a mob group in ultimate with my bert rodan on the 2nd pp refill...

[LonelyGaruga]

They're hitting at least 20K with Rafoie alone. Gifoie is about 25K+ total. Non-weak point damage.

Force has been pretty much the top class since EP3 hit...being a glass cannon doesn't mean much if you're such an effective cannon the glass part doesn't matter.

[Poyonche]

There are the most of part of the FO who thinks Rafoie is enough and aren't able to do more than 10k.

And there are the other who know the existence of Foie, Gifoie and Safoie and do great damage. Force is OP if you are able to get the OPness out of it.

[n_n]

Okay, so zondeel working well in ult lili seems to be entirely dependent on the mpa's 'host'.

Also, FOs need nerfs, like... now. Seriously. I think I lost the ability to say 'at least I can XXXX' as some other pleabian class sans RA. FOs are just too damn strong, now more than ever.
Yes, Force is pretty overpowered since almost a year, but it should not be nerfed... SEGA just needs to buff the weaker classes. Maybe give us back old Fury, Shunka, GU power, etc. Would be perfectly balanced these days IMO.

Anyway, nerfing should never be considered since it just wastes people's time and money... especially when it is very late.

[Miles064]

Yes, Force is pretty overpowered since almost a year, but it should not be nerfed... SEGA just needs to buff the weaker classes. Maybe give us back old Fury, Shunka, GU power, etc. Would be perfectly balanced these days IMO.

Anyway, nerfing should never be considered since it just wastes people's time and money...

Unless they buff the mobs as well, never nerfing anything is going to create a power creep. If FO is the only problem then it needs to be put with everyone else.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Yes, Force is pretty overpowered since almost a year, but it should not be nerfed... SEGA just needs to buff the weaker classes. Maybe give us back old Fury, Shunka, GU power, etc. Would be perfectly balanced these days IMO.

Anyway, nerfing should never be considered since it just wastes people's time and money... especially when it is very late.

Yeah I know they've been considered OP for a while, but seeing fomie-whateverthefuck tick for 40k+ really drives the point home, y'know?

[Rakurai]

My stats must be pretty terrible for my Ra Foie to only be hitting for 12K damage per hit. I only have 60 T-ATK on each of my units, so that's probably why,

Also, I feel Fomelgion's power is justified by the fact that it probably has the highest committal out of any attack in the game. If you use at the wrong time, you will die, no questions asked, because you can't cancel the move in any way, and it only has super armor on it. Heck, I find myself getting killed even when it seems safe to use it due to things like infected enemies deciding to spawn right when I fire it.

[n_n]

Unless they buff the mobs as well, never nerfing anything is going to create a power creep. If FO is the only problem then it needs to be put with everyone else.
Mobs (on XH/ULT) are already strong enough IMO. The changes I mentioned before would be pretty "balanced" for those difficulties.

[Miles064]

Mobs (on XH/ULT) are already strong enough IMO.

I agree. I'm just saying if there are 8 classes and only one is an issue it would be better to nerf that one rather then buff the other 7. I have yet to see any of these god FOs and I know I am not even close to being one myself. The idea of never nerfing things I don't agree with though.

[Lax]

They're hitting at least 20K with Rafoie alone. Gifoie is about 25K+ total. Non-weak point damage.

Force has been pretty much the top class since EP3 hit...being a glass cannon doesn't mean much if you're such an effective cannon the glass part doesn't matter.

20k rafoie? Is that using 13* weapons with +100 T-ATK affixes?

Because my Bert Rodan and 70-Tatk units only give me 14k Rafoie

[Superia]

RAWR OPINIONS

If there were some definitive list of things that are objectively gross, I'd think "Child Pornography" would be on there somewhere.

[LonelyGaruga]

20k rafoie? Is that using 13* weapons with +100 T-ATK affixes?

Because my Bert Rodan and 70-Tatk units only give me 14k Rafoie

Optimized skill tree, 5s equipment, 13*s (Bert Rodan can still hit 20K though), power craft, etc. The question was about what top geared Force players were hitting, was it not?

Could be easier to get though, I've seen people nail 20K Rafoie easily in SH TD. 40K on weak points. Highest you can get is around 21K.


If there were some definitive list of things that are objectively gross, I'd think "Child Pornography" would be on there somewhere.

That isn't child porn.

[Maenara]

If there were some definitive list of things that are objectively gross, I'd think "Child Pornography" would be on there somewhere.

It's cute that you think that!

[Superia]

That isn't child porn.


It's cute that you think that!

http://www.bodylovewellness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/well-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-gif-the-dude-lebowski.gif

[Kondibon]

If there were some definitive list of things that are objectively gross, I'd think "Child Pornography" would be on there somewhere.Implying you can actually tell how old a character that stylized is. :wacko:

[Xaelouse]

Force is not op. It's not like they're doing HU-tier damage outside of FOmelgion on mobs. Sega has been pretty careful with what they've been adding as of late.
Also if you want to see your Bert Rodan do higher numbers, find one with ultimate buster

[BIG OLAF]

I like Superia.

[Mattykins]

It's not porn. Everyone knows it's only porn when the bits are showing. :U

[Maenara]

I like Superia.

Ew, pervert.

[Mattykins]

Also, "I can't think of an argument so I'm just gonna say the word 'opinion' because that's a perfectly valid rebuttal" Shame on all of you. Gonna save that pic and wank furiously to it just to spite all of you >:T

[LonelyGaruga]

http://www.bodylovewellness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/well-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-gif-the-dude-lebowski.gif

It's factually not child porn. Child porn involves real children engaged in sexual conduct.

[BIG OLAF]

Ew, pervert.

Oh, you have no idea.

Actually, you probably do.

:wacko:


It's factually not child porn. Child porn involves real children engaged in sexual conduct.

...so, if someone just showed some nice, hand-drawn CP sketches, it would be fine...? Are you clinically insane?

[Superia]

Also, "I can't think of an argument so I'm just gonna say the word 'opinion' because that's a perfectly valid rebuttal" Shame on all of you. Gonna save that pic and wank furiously to it just to spite all of you >:T

pls no


It's factually not child porn. Child porn involves real children engaged in sexual conduct.

I have underlined the parts of your statement which are not required for something to be interpreted legally as "Child Pornography".

[Mattykins]

pls no

Too late. Can't stop it.

[vantpers]

Not even confirmed loli just artystyle. He draws Matoi the same but with bigger tits. It's just flat chest. You wouldn't happen to imply that flat chest is for children only?

[NoiseHERO]

you all have bad taste in opposite sex either way

[Maenara]

you all have bad taste in opposite sex either way

I'm a lesbian, so

[LonelyGaruga]

...so, if someone just showed some nice, hand-drawn CP sketches, it would be fine...? Are you clinically insane?

Child porn is wrong because of its harmfulness toward the children involved. Fictional depictions harm absolutely no one.

But that's beside the point. The picture in question isn't pornographic in the slightest. It isn't even sexually provocative. It's just a cute happy little anthro Leopard.


I have underlined the parts of your statement which are not required for something to be interpreted legally as "Child Pornography".


Images of child pornography are not protected under First Amendment rights, and are illegal contraband under federal law. Section 2256 of Title 18, United States Code, defines child pornography as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (someone under 18 years of age). Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor, and images created, adapted, or modified, but appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor. Undeveloped film, undeveloped videotape, and electronically stored data that can be converted into a visual image of child pornography are also deemed illegal visual depictions under federal law.
Notably, the legal definition of sexually explicit conduct does not require that an image depict a child engaging in sexual activity. A picture of a naked child may constitute illegal child pornography if it is sufficiently sexually suggestive. Additionally, the age of consent for sexual activity in a given state is irrelevant; any depiction of a minor under 18 years of age engaging in sexually explicit conduct is illegal.

Source. (http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/citizensguide/citizensguide_porn.html)

1) An image must contain the likeness of a human minor virtually indistinguishable from someone you could actually meet and talk with engaging in sexually provocative conduct in order to quality as child pornography.
2) Even full nudity of a child does not constitute as pornography unless it is sexually provocative in nature.

Seeing how that picture is neither a realistic depiction of a human or an image containing anything sexually provocative, no, it is not child porn.

[un1t27]

I'm a lesbian, so

Okay, so are you a hot lesbian atleast?

[Superia]

Source. (http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/citizensguide/citizensguide_porn.html)

1) An image must contain the likeness of a human minor virtually indistinguishable from someone you could actually meet and talk with engaging in sexually provocative conduct in order to quality as child pornography.
2) Even full nudity of a child does not constitute as pornography unless it is sexually provocative in nature.

Seeing how that picture is neither a realistic depiction of a human or an image containing anything sexually provocative, no, it is not child porn.

I'm pretty sure there was some guy who got fined a ton for having crappy low-rez Tera models, I'll see if I can find that.

[ArcaneTechs]

Yes, Force is pretty overpowered since almost a year, but it should not be nerfed... SEGA just needs to buff the weaker classes. Maybe give us back old Fury, Shunka, GU power, etc. Would be perfectly balanced these days IMO.

Anyway, nerfing should never be considered since it just wastes people's time and money... especially when it is very late.
Shunka does not need to be buffed, none of the mindless spamming PA's liike Il Megid and Infinite Fire need to be buffed for scrubs to get good. GU however is up for debate still, I still play it but as of right now, I have np problems with it but buffing SRJA again isn't needed but IF it did happen, 10% boost to it tops for a total of 20%, dont need to it go any higher.

FO is fine except for Lighting Tree and well idk about wind but none of the spells are that strong in terms of competing with the Fire/Ice Tree's.

What they need to do is put out good all around PA's to use instead of ones that look cool but suck like that new Double Saber PA and the one before it, spins enemies in the air. Lot of the PA's we have seemed like cool concept phase PA's back then and with how the game is it seems a good amount of them are impractically....like Ducking Blow.

What irks me the most is I want to use a Lighting AoE but I need a dam Talis for it to even be effective

and this CP talk just wtf, then again, this is the PS community, it would be expected after 15+ years of playing PSO online/forums that it shouldnt surprise me.

[LonelyGaruga]

Lightning and wind are actually really good by themselves. Their biggest flaw is simply not having many enemies weak to them. Weakness is at least a 20% boost to damage depending on the target. Techer gets 20% more from EWH, and Braver gets Weak Stance's whopping huge damage bonus.

And what's wrong with getting a talis for lightning? Talis have always been important Force weapons since I began playing back in like, January 2013.

[Dephinix]

Superia is trying so hard~

[ArcaneTechs]

Lightning and wind are actually really good by themselves. Their biggest flaw is simply not having many enemies weak to them. Weakness is at least a 20% boost to damage depending on the target. Techer gets 20% more from EWH, and Braver gets Weak Stance's whopping huge damage bonus.

And what's wrong with getting a talis for lightning? Talis have always been important Force weapons since I began playing back in like, January 2013.

I never liked them, the standing animation is horrible to me and has gotten me killed back in the day pretty often, I dont like throwing the talis because the spells may come out at odd angles (like shooting the floor or the wall and it disappears). I always stuck with Rod's because they were always high in power over the other Tech casting weapons. But now that Fast Talis Throw is out, maybe this will change my mind if I ever come across a 13* Talis but I'll stick with using Rods for now, just always been this way for me

Wind and Lighting though, I know maxing out Masteries would help but in general use they still feel lack luster to me

[LonelyGaruga]

Talis has been stronger than rods by about 10-15% ever since Talis Tech Bonus came out.

Every tech is pretty lackluster if you don't max masteries out. If you're comparing them to maxed out elements then of course they would be lackluster. When you compare them on even grounds they're pretty good though.

[Kondibon]

Every tech is pretty lackluster if you don't max masteries out.I run a generalist build. Can confirm.

[Mattykins]

I run a generalist build.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Ross-Why-Would-You-Do-That.gif

[milranduil]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Ross-Why-Would-You-Do-That.gif

Don't ask questions you don't want the answer to!

[ArcaneTechs]

Talis has been stronger than rods by about 10-15% ever since Talis Tech Bonus came out.

Every tech is pretty lackluster if you don't max masteries out. If you're comparing them to maxed out elements then of course they would be lackluster. When you compare them on even grounds they're pretty good though.
I know they have been but Talis has never been my thing, Rod's High Tech was always good enough for me. I think when I say lackluster, I think I mean there could be more practical uses or different ways for the spell to attack. I can't really describe it well but Lighting and Wind have been spells I sorta avoid (outside Zondeel/Zanverse)

Zonde- Always used, always has been good
Gizonde- Like the chaining effect, dmg is alright
Razonde- Like I said, I don't like having to use a Talis for this, no Talis= bad range
Sazonde- DFE spell for me, I don't use it enough though
Zondeel- Obviously a good spell
Nazonde- It's cool but I don't use it enough outside DFE shocking.
Il Zonde- Fast travel and good damage
Overall still, I don't like the PP consumption for Lightings spells, ya I could waste SP on PP reduction or use a PP save weapon but I'd rather not for max dmg potential doing other builds.

Zan- Always liked its boomerang effect attack, good damage but it feels like they nerfed the amount you can shoot where before I could get 2 full cast and have roughly 6 of these flying out everywhere, now it just disappears before the second charge is gonna go off.
Gizan- Still horrible, I don't think crafting it would help in anyway, damage i think is severly lackluster maxed mastery or not.
Razan- Pretty good, Craft makes it better. Can't complain
Sazan- Always been good, it's my primary Wind attack most of the time
Nazan- Crafting it for power feels good, love slamming 25k-35k on things. Shotgun spell has just always felt nice.
Zanverse- Effective, obviously best used in 12 group mpa's for maximum damage.
Il Zan- Nice pierce/push spell, damage is great, use it from time to time.

I don't think I have as big of a issue with Wind versus Lighting, just Wind felt weaker in general. I have done a Wind build and dmg increase from masteries is okay but not enough to main Wind overall

I run a generalist build. Can confirm.
This was something I used to do in the past, 10 points in each mastery but I got tired of coming up short of kills/killing things too slow or lacking in some area some how.

[Kondibon]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Ross-Why-Would-You-Do-That.gifBecause I don't have multiple skill trees and I don't like the idea of limiting which elements I can use.

My skill trees would probably make you cry.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Because I don't have multiple skill trees and I don't like the idea of limiting which elements I can use.

My skill trees would probably make you cry.

Ever thought of subbing weakstance braver?

[Rakurai]

Wonder when they plan on buffing lightning techs like they said they would.

It's a bit of problem that you need Bolt PP Save for them to even be viable.

[Kondibon]

Ever thought of subbing weakstance braver?That's what I do when I main force, but in general I'm pretty sure pure element builds are still stronger.



It's a bit of problem that you need Bolt PP Save for them to even be viable.
The -pp cost tech crafts can help get around that, but I'd argue that fire is in the same position with flame tech charge. The difference being fire techs cover a larger variety of strategic situations.

[Superia]

Implying you can actually tell how old a character that stylized is. :wacko:

Sorry, missed this somehow. The classification extends to appearance, like if you had a very youthful looking person who was still an adult. "This also applies if the person in the depiction is actually an adult but appears to be a minor." Source below.


I'm pretty sure there was some guy who got fined a ton for having crappy low-rez Tera models, I'll see if I can find that.

After 12 minutes of intense googling, I could not find the specific case I was looking for. There's this old legal consultant search portal and reference site here (http://www.hg.org/child-pornography.html) though.




Types of Depictions

Any depiction of a child engaged in sexually explicit conduct may be considered child pornography. This can include photographs, digital images, computer-generated images, drawings, videos, or animations, among others. This also applies if the person in the depiction is actually an adult but appears to be a minor. Moreover, altering an image or video so that it appears to depict a minor may also be child pornography (for example, editing the face of a minor onto the nude body of an adult in an image or video).



Exceptions

There is an exception to typical definitions of child pornography. If it can be proven that the depiction has serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value, it may be exempted from child pornography laws. The definition of a pornographic image can be subjective and many courts refer to the case of U.S. v. Dost to determine whether an image meets the criteria for pornography. That case created the "Dost Test" in order to better determine whether a visual depiction of a minor constitutes a "lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area." The Dost Test has six criteria, not all of which must be present, nor are other criteria necessarily excluded from the test. Those criteria are:

1. Whether the focal point of the visual depiction is on the child's genitalia or pubic area.

2. Whether the setting of the visual depiction is sexually suggestive, (i.e., in a place or pose generally associated with sexual activity).

3. Whether the child is depicted in an unnatural pose or inappropriate attire given the age of the child.

4. Whether the child is fully or partially clothed/nude.

5. Whether the visual depiction suggests sexual coyness or a willingness to engage in sexual activity.

6. Whether the visual depiction is intended or designed to elicit a sexual response in the viewer.


[Spoiler]
Though, to be honest, I do not consider the image to truly be child porn. I notice that it probably seemed like that.

[/Spoiler-box]


Shunka does not need to be buffed, none of the mindless spamming PA's liike Il Megid and Infinite Fire need to be buffed for scrubs to get good. GU however is up for debate still, I still play it but as of right now, I have np problems with it but buffing SRJA again isn't needed but IF it did happen, 10% boost to it tops for a total of 20%, dont need to it go any higher.

FO is fine except for Lighting Tree and well idk about wind but none of the spells are that strong in terms of competing with the Fire/Ice Tree's.

What they need to do is put out good all around PA's to use instead of ones that look cool but suck like that new Double Saber PA and the one before it, spins enemies in the air. Lot of the PA's we have seemed like cool concept phase PA's back then and with how the game is it seems a good amount of them are impractically....like Ducking Blow.

I do not think Katana PAs or Gunner PAs are the cause of their relative weakness, but the classes themselves. Also, isn't Chaos Riser considered to be pretty good?


Lightning and wind are actually really good by themselves. Their biggest flaw is simply not having many enemies weak to them. Weakness is at least a 20% boost to damage depending on the target.

Besides not having an Il Barta/Namegid equivalent, this is probably the main problem with those two elements.

[Kondibon]

Sorry, missed this somehow. The classification extends to appearance, like if you had a very youthful looking person who was still an adult. "This also applies if the person in the depiction is actually an adult but appears to be a minor." Source below.
You misunderstood. I'm saying she doesn't even look realistic enough to look like a person, let alone a child, so how can you tell she's even a depiction of one?

[Superia]

Yeah, she is pretty blob shaped in my opinion. As for how I can tell, trade secret.

[Kondibon]

As for how I can tell, trade secret.http://i.imgur.com/8xcDlvJ.gif

[LonelyGaruga]

*snip*

Re-read what you posted. Please. It doesn't even begin describing the given image, nor does it actually contradict anything I've said about the legal stance on child pornography. The exceptions were for cases where things that would normally be considered child porn wouldn't be.


Child Pornography is a criminal offense and is defined as any visual depiction involving the use of a minor, or one appearing to be a minor, engaging in sexually explicit conduct. Visual depictions include photographs, film, video, pictures or computer-generated images or pictures, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means. Child pornography has become particularly problematic with the rise of the Internet and its ability to both transmit data far and wide and provide a level of anonymity to its users and the victims depicted in images of child pornography.


A "minor" is any person under the age of eighteen years.

1) A minor has to be an actual person or resemble one. An image that does not depict a real or realistic looking person cannot fall under the category of child porn.
2) Child pornography victimizes the minors involved. I can't speak for Vlima Leopard, but I don't think it was victimized or otherwise harmed in the production of the picture under discussion.

This whole thing can be summarized as people being unable to properly separate fiction from reality. In order for child pornography to apply to anything, the depiction has to be unmistakable from an actual person. A stylized depiction of a person (which is anything that isn't unmistakable from an actual person) absolutely cannot be considered child porn under legal terms, because then it's just an image depicting a character. Not a minor. Not a human.


Besides not having an Il Barta/Namegid equivalent, this is probably the main problem with those two elements.

Namegid...lol. Sazonde and Nazan are actually incredibly high DPS options, at least with Elysion/Boots of Seraphy. Gimegid is also far superior to Namegid as far as damage output goes, and Ragrants is also an insane boss killer. Namegid is just PP efficient and easy to land. Ilbarta is really good though.

If anything, fire is the one that has bad DPS, and it's arguably the best element despite that. It really is just a lack of enemies weak to it.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I do not think Katana PAs or Gunner PAs are the cause of their relative weakness, but the classes themselves.


They're only 'relatively weak' because of outliers like the power of Fi/limit break, the existance of WB, and FO having everything on a silver platter. By themselves, katana BRs, and GUs are alot more than just passable with proper gear/spec (I know for a fact katana braver damage is strong). Setups like what FO is just take it up to 11, and make even combat finish seem tame now thanks to fome-facerape.

[Rakurai]

Fire would be in a better position single target DPS wise if they'd buff Na Foie to do as much damage in comparison to the other fire techs as it was doing prior to the balance update.As it stands, it's probably the only genuinely bad fire tech there is, since the PP cost in no way warrants the damage it deals.

I find myself using Na Megid (Running fire/dark for maximum Fomelgion damage) on UQ bosses when PP Convert isn't up, but even with it active, it feels like Ra Foie spam is barely beating it, and I'm not sure if it's even better then Gi Megid spam.

[Superia]

Re-read what you posted. Please. It doesn't even begin describing the given image, nor does it actually contradict anything I've said about the legal stance on child pornography. The exceptions were for cases where things that would normally be considered child porn wouldn't be.

The exceptions segment listed some common cases where it could be argued (e.g. the main purpose for the media in question is educational or artistic in nature), but the list under it is something of a checklist for arguing against the argument that it is in the name of art, and similar arguments. Either I appended it oddly or it is formatted oddly to begin with.




1) A minor has to be an actual person or resemble one. An image that does not depict a real or realistic looking person cannot fall under the category of child porn.
2) Child pornography victimizes the minors involved. I can't speak for Vlima Leopard, but I don't think it was victimized or otherwise harmed in the production of the picture under discussion.


Speak for yourself. I'd feel pretty victimized if I went from a badass zoid heavy artillery leopard to that.



This whole thing can be summarized as people being unable to properly separate fiction from reality. In order for child pornography to apply to anything, the depiction has to be unmistakable from an actual person. A stylized depiction of a person (which is anything that isn't unmistakable from an actual person) absolutely cannot be considered child porn under legal terms, because then it's just an image depicting a character. Not a minor. Not a human.


That is probably how it should be, but differs in practice from what I can tell.



Namegid...lol. Sazonde and Nazan are actually incredibly high DPS options, at least with Elysion/Boots of Seraphy. Gimegid is also far superior to Namegid as far as damage output goes, and Ragrants is also an insane boss killer. Namegid is just PP efficient and easy to land. Ilbarta is really good though.

If anything, fire is the one that has bad DPS, and it's arguably the best element despite that. It really is just a lack of enemies weak to it.

Ah sorry, I've never actually used it (or a dark build). It just seemed powerful. You know what I meant ^^;.

Edit:

They're only 'relatively weak' because of outliers like the power of Fi/limit break, the existance of WB, and FO having everything on a silver platter. By themselves, katana BRs, and GUs are alot more than just passable with proper gear/spec (I know for a fact katana braver damage is strong). Setups like what FO is just take it up to 11, and make even combat finish seem tame now thanks to fome-facerape.

For MPAs, WB usually benefits most classes approximately equally, except for things that only certain classes excel at hitting (e.g. Luther's beak, ranged weapon only headshot areas). LB fighter, well-geared Force and certain Ranger combinations are probably the classes to beat in this regard, and are part of the reason some classes seem underwhelming.

[LonelyGaruga]

I find myself using Na Megid (Running fire/dark for maximum Fomelgion damage) on UQ bosses when PP Convert isn't up, but even with it active, it feels like Ra Foie spam is barely beating it, and I'm not sure if it's even better then Gi Megid spam.

Rafoie is pathetically weak (479-519 power, does 100% of notation) compared to Namegid (3721-4021 power, does 100% of notation). Why would you even compare them. It takes about eight uses of Rafoie to do the same amount of damage Namegid would under equal circumstances. Accounting for casting delay, Namegid would be outright better if it weren't for Ultimate Lilipa having fire weakness and dark resistance (so Rafoie gets a 1.2x bonus and Namegid gets a penalty, probably an average of 0.85x but it varies on the target, some have more resistance).

Gimegid, on the other hand, is 1050 power (again, 100% notation) with a 0.3-0.6s charge time, and costs 17 PP before accounting for PP Charge Revival (so 13 PP cost with max merit, and even less otherwise). Gimegid only takes four casts to out-damage a single use of Namegid, and accounting for casting delay, even at worst merit you can get four casts in about three and a half seconds. Namegid's charge time is six seconds. Namegid just looks like it does more damage because it does it all at once.


The exceptions segment listed some common cases where it could be argued (e.g. the main purpose for the media in question is educational or artistic in nature), but the list under it is something of a checklist for arguing against the argument that it is in the name of art, and similar arguments. Either I appended it oddly or it is formatted oddly to begin with.


There is an exception to typical definitions of child pornography. If it can be proven that the depiction has serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value, it may be exempted from child pornography laws.

From the quoted paragraph you mentioned. Essentially, what this is for is pictures such as artistic nudity of minors or things like family photos in the bath or a child running around less than fully dressed. I've heard of far too many cases where parents went to print out images of their children in a bath at a public service (simply having the picture on the phone can get people busted, regardless of whether they wanted that specific picture printed or not), and ended up getting arrested for violating child pornography laws...even though it's just a kid in the bath. Such incidents can lead to parents getting their children taken away from them even though they didn't actually do anything wrong. These exemptions help to safeguard from such incidents, which aren't even restricted to simply images of children.

[TaigaUC]

So I pop in here to see what people are talking about, and there's an argument over the definition of CP?

PSO-World!

[KatsuraJun]

Speak for yourself. I'd feel pretty victimized if I went from a badass zoid heavy artillery leopard to that.

i hate to break it to you, but PSO2 mobs don't have feelings. In fact, like most fictional characters, they don't exist. or who knows, maybe it wanted to be a pretty girl its whole life but everyone assumed all it was interested in shooting lasers at people

check your privilege you cis scum

[Kondibon]

maybe it wanted to be a pretty girl its whole life but everyone assumed all it was interested in shooting lasers at peopleNo joke. I'm highly amused by the idea of some big scary monster, robot, or weapon with a friendly, sweet personality. So now this is my head canon.

[ArcaneTechs]

So I pop in here to see what people are talking about, and there's an argument over the definition of CP?

PSO-World!

It's a dam chibi version of Leopard which doesn't even exist in reality to any extent aside from the picture on your screen. I really don't know why the discussion on this is still going. I don't see it as CP, it's not my style of art, I would prefer something better but overall, yes, it's cute just like the other Chibi versions of the bosses. Naturally the girl would be mostly naked but covered up well (sexy appeal). I see no big deal in this but thread had a nice de-rail, would like to see it get back on track

Anyways aside all that, closing in on 100 runs, still no Slave weapon drops, really amazed with the RNG on these area drops haha running into Anga more than ever, crossing my hopes for my last FI 13* so I can switch characters finally. I'm missing just a few weapons from the bosses, couple of 12*'s then I'll end up having everything from this UQ aside abyssmal Slave weps (not counting Anga). If you ask me, Zeta Baranz does not spawn enough, his titles will take some time

[Edson Drake]

Wonder when they plan on buffing lightning techs like they said they would.

It's a bit of problem that you need Bolt PP Save for them to even be viable.

Missed this:

It was buffed with the EP3 updates. I always used the Lightning element(different skilltrees), and there was a big improvement to lightning techs, I saw my Zonde jump from 9k to 14k with a Satellite Riser and Gizonde from 8k to 12k, a significant improvement. Same apllies to the other lightning techs.

But of course, it still could use some work, like a PP cost reduction, +range recipes etc.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

No joke. I'm highly amused by the idea of some big scary monster, robot, or weapon with a friendly, sweet personality. So now this is my head canon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aJQDjHhWkI

[TaigaUC]

The argument is about a chibified version of the boss?
It's just a culture thing. In the West, everyone has been trained to immediately see women as victims.
Feminity is also increasingly perceived as "weak" and "wrong".
They also often immediately assume everything has to be sexual in nature.
I'm not even exaggerating. It's like I can't talk about anything anymore without someone trying to link it to sexuality.

Meanwhile, in Japan, cuteness is justice.
In places like Japan and Russia, femininty is valued and respected.
Japan also likes to anthropomorphize everything. They apparently have a long history of doing so.
So, it's normal for Japanese people to make cute girl versions of stuff.
Girls love it, and guys love it. Cuteness doesn't have to be sexual.

I don't see how cuteness or feminity translates into victimhood.
That's a huge jump and it makes no sense. You're also looking down on and devaluing cuteness and feminity.
If you're seeing it that way and making it into something bad, then you're probably the problem.
Or you're assuming that everyone else is stupid and evil enough to make it a problem.
Or you're surrounded by assholes who constantly associate those things with victimhood.

On the topic of "badassery", I was recently watching a professional freelance Japanese female artist's livestream.
She talked about how doing art for the West is difficult because the West sees youth as a bad thing.
In Japan, heroes are usually young. I imagine that this is because it's usually young people who are motivated with a desire for a better future.
The West is the opposite. Western protagonists tend to be old, muscly men. I sometimes see Japanese people talk about that.
Commenters on the artist's stream suggested that if she's doing work for the West, she should just draw lots of muscles.
I laughed, because it's true.

The West has a silly obsession with strength, masculinity and "badassery" to the point of devaluing everything else.
Strength isn't everything. Badassery isn't everything. Masculinity isn't everything.
You can't have strength without weakness, because strength is about overcoming weakness, and protecting the weak.
There would be no "strong" if everybody was strong.

I'm not saying "oh, Japan is best" or anything like that.
I just think there are better ways of doing things that don't lead to meaningless conflict.
Other places in the world can sometimes be good examples for that.
The saddest part is people are going to read (or skim through) what I've written above, and think "you're making me look bad", instead of thinking "hmm, you have a point".
People don't care about facts anymore. Everyone just wants to be "right".

[Dycize]

Also just wanna say but story Quartz Dragon. Also Noir Draal.

[Dephinix]

Post Stuffs.

Yeah, well put. Might even copy paste that somewhere if possible, lol.

[Dammy]

is droprate boosted for Lilipa? i got 3 of 13* since update

[RedRaz0r]

So I pop in here to see what people are talking about, and there's an argument over the definition of CP?

PSO-World!
PSO-World: the community we hate to love.

Wait that's not right...the community we love to hate?

No...still off...

Oh! PSO-World: the community we hate.
got it

[Rakurai]

is droprate boosted for Lilipa? i got 3 of 13* since update

The RNG gods are favoring you, is all.

Don't have squat after 40+ runs with drop boosters active all the time.

[Bellion]

The exception code anga is the only thing that clearly got a drop rate boost, and what it has over ult nab.

[EvilMag]

exception code anga is a huge boost. the crystal that I got my talis from was the same one a teammate got his rod.

[milranduil]

My ares db came from a double anga run... 1 untitled/uninfected anga, 1 titled/infected anga. Guess which dropped it :wacko:

[ArcaneTechs]

starting to run into a lot of Eng players being asses by leveling their alt class from LV1 during the runs and dying constantly, this is really getting annoying at this point

[the_importer_]

For those of you farming Ult Lilipa, here's a less stressful way of doing it. Turn off the music in the game (best to leave sound however) and play the Mines theme from PSO in the background (put it to repeat). It's not only soothing, but it's also nostalgic

[Chigun]

On ship 2 check quest records for Lilipa UQ. There are like 600-700 of each Ares 13* dropping. I find this hard to believe since these numbers hardly exceeded 30 after a week of 100% boost on Nabe UQ before the last update (with people hunting exclusively anga around the clock).

Are these numbers accurate? Because, man, there goes the feeling of accomplishment for finding some of these after countless hours.

[Rehal]

On ship 2 check quest records for Lilipa UQ. There are like 600-700 of each Ares 13* dropping. I find this hard to believe since these numbers hardly exceeded 30 after a week of 100% boost on Nabe UQ before the last update (with people hunting exclusively anga around the clock).

Are these numbers accurate? Because, man, there goes the feeling of accomplishment for finding some of these after countless hours.

Untek drops wasn't being counted for record before Lilipa UQ update, now they do.

[the_importer_]

On ship 2 check quest records for Lilipa UQ. There are like 600-700 of each Ares 13* dropping. I find this hard to believe since these numbers hardly exceeded 30 after a week of 100% boost on Nabe UQ before the last update (with people hunting exclusively anga around the clock).

Are these numbers accurate? Because, man, there goes the feeling of accomplishment for finding some of these after countless hours.

Played 40 times so far, always with my Daily Boost at 30%, using Premium Drink, 250% Boost and equipping my Weapon with Lucky Raise III and the best I've gotten so far in terms of Rare is a one 12* Talis. I wouldn't say the odds are that great.

[Perfect Chaos]

Also keep in mind that much more people are doing Ultimate Lillipa now than the amount of people doing Anga farming before.

[HaxMega]

On ship 2 check quest records for Lilipa UQ. There are like 600-700 of each Ares 13* dropping. I find this hard to believe since these numbers hardly exceeded 30 after a week of 100% boost on Nabe UQ before the last update (with people hunting exclusively anga around the clock).

Are these numbers accurate? Because, man, there goes the feeling of accomplishment for finding some of these after countless hours.

Also keep in mind those records are across all ships. Its still pretty low. I know after 110 ult Lillipa runs I still haven't found anything.

[ArcaneTechs]

On ship 2 check quest records for Lilipa UQ. There are like 600-700 of each Ares 13* dropping. I find this hard to believe since these numbers hardly exceeded 30 after a week of 100% boost on Nabe UQ before the last update (with people hunting exclusively anga around the clock).

Are these numbers accurate? Because, man, there goes the feeling of accomplishment for finding some of these after countless hours.
Current highest 13* weapon drop is 599 Are's Talis, followed by 567 Are's GS, in the mid 400's JB/DB/Rod and in between 200-399 is the rest. Little exageration but this is the current record which is WAY higher than Nab, it almost makes me feel that Sega will stealthily reduce these rates heh

Also keep in mind that much more people are doing Ultimate Lillipa now than the amount of people doing Anga farming before.
Take a stance on the first week this came out versus Anga farming, the drop charts then are still relatively the same as they are now in terms of Anga farming and just running Ult Nab. The drops now are like 10x the amount from the first week of Ult nab, maybe a little less but it's still high, Ult Tunnels is very generous thanks to the boosted Anga spawns


Also keep in mind those records are across all ships. Its still pretty low. I know after 110 ult Lillipa runs I still haven't found anything.
I remember the records being per ship

[Saagonsa]

Like it has already been said, as of this week untek rares now count towards the records, and with the large number of people running around with a fortunate omen charm it's no wonder that the numbers are way way higher than they looked before.

[ArcaneTechs]

Like it has already been said, as of this week untek rares now count towards the records, and with the large number of people running around with a fortunate omen charm it's no wonder that the numbers are way way higher than they looked before.
you still werent seeing as many people in the lobby as you do now with Are's weps back when Ult Nab came out the first week

[Saagonsa]

Well, of course, Ares weapons have been available for months now.

[ArcaneTechs]

Well, of course, Ares weapons have been available for months now.
The first week, even now, it's more common than before despite Anga farming

[Achelousaurus]

How the hell did this turn into a discussion of child porn?
Is the Gilnas touching the dwarf in inappropriate places?

[Kondibon]

How the hell did this turn into a discussion of child porn?
Is the Gilnas touching the dwarf in inappropriate places?That ended pages ago. Can we stop bringing it up now?

[Dammy]

I remember the records being per ship

no no no, they are shared across all ships, we have tested it with teammates

[Dammy]

Like it has already been said, as of this week untek rares now count towards the records, and with the large number of people running around with a fortunate omen charm it's no wonder that the numbers are way way higher than they looked before.

if untek rares do count now, why it didnt show new 13* slave series in item records?

[Cyber Meteor]

Because SEGA decided to not show slave weapons on drop record for whatever reason. Maybe they don't want us to see how many slave drop per week, but why, nobody knows.

[Stickboy]

>shoots something
>agro'd everything

it feels like they're not doing their job dps-ing these mobs

[TaigaUC]

I thought the records were per ship too, until JP friends told me a few days ago that it's global.

The Ares drop stats for Ulti Lilipa are sorta interesting. They give a rough idea of which classes are most used.
Talis probably drops most often because it drops for Techer+Force, so halve that. Gunslash drops for everybody.
I guess Rifle also drops for both Gunner and Ranger, so halve that as well.

With the above in mind, Dual Blades and Jet Boots are at the top, implying that Bouncer is probably the most popular class.
Next down is probably Force with Rods. Then Hunter with Swords, Partisan and Wired Lances.
The way those three are so closely grouped together supports my theory that it represents popular class.

Next is Techer with Wand, then a rough tie between the Braver weapons and Fighter weapons.
However, considering Fighters have 3 weapons and they're roughly tied with Katana, Fighter must be more popular than Braver now.
Then, at the bottom are Launcher and Twin Machinegun. Rifle halved would be at the bottom, too.

So... estimated popularity list (based on most played main in Ultimate Lilipa):
1. Bouncer
2. Force
3. Hunter
4. Techer
5. Fighter
6. Braver
7. Ranger
8. Gunner

The results are of course skewed by people who already have the main weapons they want and are farming for their subs.

[the_importer_]

I need 200 more Crystals to get my first Slave weapon, so I'll try to do 10 runs per day. I think I average about 15 minutes per quest, so that should be about 2.5 hours per day, so that means 20 days.

Does that sound insane?

[final_attack]

Well, they did say ..... they want people to do the quest a lot .... so, not too insane, maybe for them o-o

[the_importer_]

Well, they did say ..... they want people to do the quest a lot .... so, not too insane, maybe for them o-o

I'd probably go crazy with those funky techno tunes changing all the time, hence why I listen to the soothing sound of PSO Mines while doing Ult Lilipa :)

[Dammy]

I need 200 more Crystals to get my first Slave weapon, so I'll try to do 10 runs per day. I think I average about 15 minutes per quest, so that should be about 2.5 hours per day, so that means 20 days.

Does that sound insane?

have you got title counter reward stones?