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the_importer_
May 20, 2015, 12:43 AM
In the spirit of this topic: http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3262165&posted=1#post3262165 I decided to create a topic to allow you to post your video(s) of your gameplay and let others judge you on your performance.

Here are the rules:

1- Extra Hard Emergency, Ultimate, Extreme or Super Hard Quests (Time Attack, Free Fields or Advance Quests only, Ark Quests are too simple)
2- MPA or solo gameplay (with or without NPCs), your choice
3- No video editing, if we see a cut, you probably fucked up
4- Talk if you must as long as you keep your mic volume in check
5- As for the judgments, keep it civil, constructive criticism will get you further in life

Maninbluejumpsuit
May 20, 2015, 01:44 AM
SH in general always felt kinda simple after the first week, sans BS multihits from zesh. It just
feels kinda gross how hard things get steamrolled when you hit 60 ele 13* levels :/

On the steamroll point, you should add a WB ban!

I mean it won't stop volg, and banish combos which are equally as silly... and then BHS/hatou/PBF cheese would be the next thing... then holding current maybe... and probably combat escape/omgwtfbbqpwn limit break...

Bah! Things just fold too easy on SH.

Everyone should do no limit break, no weapons, knuckles only, final destination

Kondibon
May 20, 2015, 02:12 AM
SH in general always felt kinda simple after the first week, sans BS multihits from zesh. It just
feels kinda gross how hard things get steamrolled when you hit 60 ele 13* levels :/

On the steamroll point, you should add a WB ban!

I mean it won't stop volg, and banish combos which are equally as silly... and then BHS/hatou/PBF cheese would be the next thing... then holding current maybe... and probably combat escape/omgwtfbbqpwn limit break...

Bah! Things just fold too easy on SH.

Everyone should do no limit break, no weapons, knuckles only, final destinationI think SH was only included because a lot of quests are still capped at that. There isn't much of a choice.

chaoko99
May 20, 2015, 03:06 AM
I am gonna stream mine now, twitch.tv/chaoko99

chaoko99
May 20, 2015, 04:15 AM
I finished up, consistently got halfway through floors 6-10, made it to transmizer in an AQ, then my sedatives decided to kick me in the teeth.. I'm sleepy.. in summation, my whole thing could be narrowed down to..


http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/805/340/3d9.jpg
(http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/805340-you-tried)

Selphea
May 20, 2015, 04:21 AM
It's okay -pats- I'm uploading a Seabed run where I derp hard - like try to shoot up a cliff only to get LOSed, try to shoot down a cliff and get LOSed, spam normal attacks to recover PP only to remember I didn't actually need PP, Million Storm and miss mobs at the back... buncha other stuff and finally have no idea what I'm doing against Meduna because I hardly fight it like, ever.

Edit: Here:

[SPOILER-BOX]www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDNzXqegbY[/SPOILER-BOX]

Gama
May 20, 2015, 09:55 AM
i don't think i could handle the criticism.

Lostbob117
May 20, 2015, 09:56 AM
This would be fun. I'll get a vid today later.

chaoko99
May 20, 2015, 11:25 AM
gonna stream it soonnishly again, gonna remember to actually press record this time.. twitch.tv/chaoko99

Mildora
May 20, 2015, 11:40 AM
there's a mother ship on sunday. someone solo that.

Vintasticvin
May 20, 2015, 11:42 AM
i don't think i could handle the criticism.

Its like Phasion thread. Post and hope the sempais notice and are easy on you.

nguuuquaaa
May 20, 2015, 11:49 AM
This kinda fun.
Lucky run though, not many thing gangs up on me :wacko:
[spoiler-box]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPT36eUbDQM[/spoiler-box]

chaoko99
May 20, 2015, 01:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mh-09xaVL0

Sizustar
May 20, 2015, 02:59 PM
In the spirit of this topic: http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3262165&posted=1#post3262165 I decided to create a topic to allow you to post your video(s) of your gameplay and let others judge you on your performance.

Here are the rules:

1- Extra Hard Emergency, Ultimate, Extreme or Super Hard Quests (Time Attack, Free Fields or Advance Quests only, Ark Quests are too simple)
2- MPA or solo gameplay, your choice
3- No video editing, if we see a cut, you probably fucked up
4- Talk if you must as long as you keep your mic volume in check
5- As for the judgments, keep it civil, constructive criticism will get you further in life

Does bring NPC count, since Solo doesn't have as much mob as bring NPC and MPA.

the_importer_
May 20, 2015, 03:36 PM
Does bring NPC count, since Solo doesn't have as much mob as bring NPC and MPA.

No problem, bring all the NPCs you want.

Sizustar
May 20, 2015, 03:43 PM
No problem, bring all the NPCs you want.

Here you go, although this was more of testing the FPS of the new Nvidia driver, and clearing daily Co

Might do a more gameplay focused one...after I use up all my stamina in PSO2es..

[SPOILER-BOX]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9M_wQA0T0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9M_wQA0T0[/SPOILER-BOX]

landman
May 20, 2015, 04:17 PM
I can't really give an opinion on most gameplay videos I see since I don't play all classes (basically I only play Fo and play arround with a Gu alt)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mh-09xaVL0

Auch to that sparzyle auto-immolation... as a Fo (and having only used jet boots to double jump on magachu) I'd say... Gizonde.


[spoiler-box]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9M_wQA0T0[/spoiler-box]

You only used Zonde, why? D: (I usually go light there, so I really don't know how effective are the other lighting techs). And my only tip could be: Zeshy + Zandion = Zeshy down after breaking one of the legs.

Sizustar
May 20, 2015, 04:22 PM
I can't really give an opinion on most gameplay videos I see since I don't play all classes (basically I only play Fo and play arround with a Gu alt)



Auch to that sparzyle auto-immolation... as a Fo (and having only used jet boots to double jump on magachu) I'd say... Gizonde.



You only used Zonde, why? D: (I usually go light there, so I really don't know how effective are the other lighting techs). And my only tip could be: Zeshy + Zandion = Zeshy down after breaking one of the legs.

Haven't played PSO2 for awhile, mainly playing PSO2es.
I even forgot about Tali fast throw, photon flare, and Zondeel
But damage wise with PP cost, Zonde is 1~2 cast, and dead enemy,

On Ruins..
Gizonde - Not as high as zonde, and doesn't go up and down slope(tend to go into ground on uneven area)
Razonde - Actually usable with TPS and fast tali throw.
Sazonde - Really useful on the boss fight, but forgot about it
Nazonde - Maybe when Zeshy is down?

But I think using only zonde, is kind of hard to break Zeshy's part?

Maninbluejumpsuit
May 20, 2015, 04:29 PM
Its like Phasion thread. Post and hope the sempais notice and are easy on you.

We wont be gentle.

yoshiblue
May 20, 2015, 04:58 PM
Its like Phasion thread. Post and hope the sempais notice and are easy on you.


We wont be gentle.
Friendly Tip: Be sure to remove the 's' in https for video to show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-g_t-lOCFs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-g_t-lOCFs

AlphaBlob
May 20, 2015, 05:05 PM
Nothing special, just how I personally solo XQ.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ONCG0Sm5aI

BeHummer
May 20, 2015, 05:45 PM
Was using 11★ TMG at this vid, although i got my new TMG now (´・ω・`)

[SPOILER-BOX]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X5D7AT4Fiw[/SPOILER-BOX]

milranduil
May 20, 2015, 05:55 PM
This kinda fun.
Lucky run though, not many thing gangs up on me :wacko:
[spoiler-box]Shironia Exploration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPT36eUbDQM)[/spoiler-box]

I stopped watching after you used addbullet on the larger shironia mobs.

chaoko99
May 20, 2015, 05:58 PM
I can't really give an opinion on most gameplay videos I see since I don't play all classes (basically I only play Fo and play arround with a Gu alt)



Auch to that sparzyle auto-immolation... as a Fo (and having only used jet boots to double jump on magachu) I'd say... Gizonde.



I don't really use zonde to damage, more to spark my zondeels.

yoshiblue
May 20, 2015, 06:14 PM
I stopped watching after you used addbullet on the larger shironia mobs.

So what would you suggest this person do differently?

Selphea
May 20, 2015, 06:18 PM
Cluster Bullet tends to headshot for free in Shironia.

milranduil
May 20, 2015, 06:19 PM
So what would you suggest this person do differently?

One of the following:

1) not play ranger in shironia (like... every class is better there).
2) cosmos breaker spam using tps to (hopefully) launch it towards weak points, doing your best to shotgun it with a well-timed jump. thrillersplosion if you must use gunslash.

Addbullet is fine for the little mobs, but that's it.

nguuuquaaa
May 20, 2015, 07:21 PM
I did use TPS Cosmos Breaker and Cluster Bullet later. Just... it's been so long since I last soloed as a RA there so I went with my usual setup, no Thrillsplosion on palette or so. And the reason I bring RA is because I want to get rid of the boss as fast as possible; mobs can take forever, but the boss must be down quickly.

Anyway, I will take advises and improve myself :)

milranduil
May 20, 2015, 08:16 PM
I did use TPS Cosmos Breaker and Cluster Bullet later. Just... it's been so long since I last soloed as a RA there so I went with my usual setup, no Thrillsplosion on palette or so. And the reason I bring RA is because I want to get rid of the boss as fast as possible; mobs can take forever, but the boss must be down quickly.

Anyway, I will take advises and improve myself :)

Br, Fo, Bo, Fi, Hu all kill GGG pretty fast. Sword is actually my new favorite for shironia because of how pathetically easy it is to mob with OE and rising edge.

nguuuquaaa
May 20, 2015, 08:39 PM
I oneshotted GGG as RA/BR tho.
Well, for now I have only RA and TE as main classes, not many choices. TE/BR works great there I assume?

milranduil
May 20, 2015, 08:48 PM
I oneshotted GGG as RA/BR tho.
Well, for now I have only RA and TE as main classes, not many choices. TE/BR works great there I assume?

You one shot GGG without an infection as RaBr?

nguuuquaaa
May 20, 2015, 08:58 PM
^ yep. And I felt pretty proud of it for a while.

milranduil
May 20, 2015, 08:59 PM
How exactly did you manage that? I've never seen RaBr one shot GGG when it's not infected.

nguuuquaaa
May 20, 2015, 09:04 PM
You can see it at the end of my video. Run behind GGG when he stops, WB head, Banish back, Pene/Gravity > Nemesis head, and for some reason Banish blows his chest crystal and deal full damage.

milranduil
May 20, 2015, 09:07 PM
You can see it at the end of my video. Run behind GGG when he stops, WB head, Banish back, Pene/Gravity > Nemesis head, and for some reason Banish blows his chest crystal and deal full damage.

Oh derp I should have just looked at vid in the first place. That's like exactly enough damage to one shot, wow. Didn't know the banish would hit his crystal like that.

landman
May 21, 2015, 02:50 AM
Was using 11★ TMG at this vid, although i got my new TMG now (´・ω・`)

[spoiler-box]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X5D7AT4Fiw[/spoiler-box]

Skill tree pliz, my neubGu/Hu is doing half that damage D:


Edit: another question, are you playing from Japan or with an awesome VPN? because I can't switch weapons that fast...

Rakurai
May 21, 2015, 03:56 AM
Standing Snipe and Weak Hit Advance make for some big numbers when using GU/RA.

Senshi
May 21, 2015, 08:38 AM
Was using 11★ TMG at this vid, although i got my new TMG now (´・ω・`)

Nice vid. If you don't mind me asking, what voice is that? And is there a cast version of it.

BeHummer
May 21, 2015, 10:53 AM
Skill tree pliz, my neubGu/Hu is doing half that damage D:


Edit: another question, are you playing from Japan or with an awesome VPN? because I can't switch weapons that fast...

for skill tree, its just normal.

but i take S roll bonus and only get lvl 1 chain

Well, i play from jp. but sometimes its even laggy

edit : oh wait, even though u're lagging, as long as the weapon is same, it doesn't matter. thats what i experienced


Nice vid. If you don't mind me asking, what voice is that? And is there a cast version of it.

thank you, as i remember its 女性カレンボイス

Senshi
May 21, 2015, 11:13 AM
thank you, as i remember its 女性カレンボイス

Cool thanks, will try and find it. I'm currently using 女性C追加ボイス19, but it doesn't trigger very often ^^;. I wonder if different voices are more 'talkative' than others.

BeHummer
May 21, 2015, 11:32 AM
Cool thanks, will try and find it. I'm currently using 女性C追加ボイス19, but it doesn't trigger very often ^^;. I wonder if different voices are more 'talkative' than others.

try this one, 女性C追加ボイス13

Senshi
May 21, 2015, 03:29 PM
Well I really liked the voice in your video, maybe I'll look up the voice actress and see if I can get something similar for cast. If not I'll check out extra voice 13 and see how that goes.

Thanks

Edit: ok there is a cast version of 女性カレンボイス, so I think I'll get it. Thanks again.

Stickboy
May 21, 2015, 11:29 PM
[SPOILER-BOX]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMeXYkKqdGY[/SPOILER-BOX]

Casualrun with pugs

Selphea
May 21, 2015, 11:45 PM
[SPOILER-BOX]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kMeXYkKqdGY[/SPOILER-BOX]

Casualrun with pugs

I find that Million Storm is very unreliable with weak points. In Average Stance it does okay - not amazing, but still faster than walking up and killing things in melee. But in Weak Stance it like, never hits weak points, ever :(

.Jack
May 22, 2015, 01:20 AM
Random UQ gameplay:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzNLuP20Ul4&t=3m56s

milranduil
May 22, 2015, 05:19 AM
[SPOILER-BOX]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMeXYkKqdGY[/SPOILER-BOX]

Casualrun with pugs

I don't care how casual or unskilled you are with bow.... this "display" is just unacceptable... please don't bring stuff like this into UQ parties.

BeHummer
May 22, 2015, 10:28 AM
I don't care how casual or unskilled you are with bow.... this "display" is just unacceptable... please don't bring stuff like this into UQ parties.

isn't it too harsh? :-o

Xaelouse
May 22, 2015, 10:32 AM
Not sure why he decided to focus on mobs during the Anga fight with one of the worst mob clearing weapons in the game. He had the right idea with penetrating arrow and million storm, but that's not good enough in Ult Lillipa. It's pretty unfair.

Selphea
May 22, 2015, 10:35 AM
He was Br/Hu but barely used Kamikaze, and at one point he was just Master Shooting without Banish. Also yea Weak Stance is disadvantaged in UQ IMO. As is Bow in general, there is literally nothing Bow can do when Guranz spins right round baby right round and Leopard/Leone decide to bury their head in a wall/crate all the time.

Bellion
May 22, 2015, 11:54 AM
[SPOILER-BOX]www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzNwBSW3Lzw[/SPOILER-BOX]

Featuring 1 filthy lagging foreigner getting carried.

ShinMaruku
May 22, 2015, 11:58 AM
Nah man I suck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usULyNKKMTs

I got no fire weapons bite me.

Lostbob117
May 22, 2015, 06:25 PM
Okay. I don't look at chat btw.

http://www.twitch.tv/lostbob117tv

About to run Nab 2

Selphea
May 22, 2015, 06:38 PM
Okay. I don't look at chat btw.

http://www.twitch.tv/lostbob117tv

About to run Nab 2

That was... a lot of Ride Slasher. Why didn't you set up a leg break on Ragne and go for Over End?

Lostbob117
May 22, 2015, 06:39 PM
That was... a lot of Ride Slasher. Why didn't you set up a leg break on Ragne and go for Over End?

I'm trying to get better at it. I should have just gone for Rising Edge on the Ragne tbh.

milranduil
May 22, 2015, 06:41 PM
Okay. I don't look at chat btw.

http://www.twitch.tv/lostbob117tv

About to run Nab 2

learn how 2 sword pls
[spoiler-box]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL5X-MSPOg4
[/spoiler-box]

ShinMaruku
May 22, 2015, 06:43 PM
Could be worse. Could be people talkin shit about 12k rafois :P

Lostbob117
May 22, 2015, 06:45 PM
learn how 2 sword pls
[spoiler-box]
most fabulous sword man alive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL5X-MSPOg4)
[/spoiler-box]

That was beautiful

milranduil
May 22, 2015, 06:48 PM
Could be worse. Could be people talkin shit about 12k rafois :P

your gameplay doesn't even deserve talking tbh...

ShinMaruku
May 22, 2015, 06:55 PM
I rest my case. :P

Sizustar
May 22, 2015, 07:02 PM
Nah man I suck.
Xelian uses folemllion - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usULyNKKMTs)

I got no fire weapons bite me.

Next time, cast a Zanverse before Folemilion
Although that might be overkill anyway.

Silnodia
May 22, 2015, 07:03 PM
Featuring 1 filthy lagging foreigner getting carried.

What's the song that start at 03:00 ?

Charmeleon
May 22, 2015, 07:22 PM
No HU gameplay can compare to U.D's.... I mean look at that man. He's too sexy for his shirt.

I'm uploading some bad ult gameplay right now, will be about an hour though since I have terrible upload. You can judge me then.

ShinMaruku
May 22, 2015, 08:33 PM
Next time, cast a Zanverse before Folemilion
Although that might be overkill anyway.

I'll give that a shot. I need to see what happens. Thanks for em pointers.

KazukiQZ
May 22, 2015, 08:37 PM
^It's either JAing with Zanverse for extra damage tick, or Megiverse as safety net, for example casting Fomelgion during Banther dashing around, Rockbear jumping around, or Dark Ragne throwing dark shuriken around.
Or in Ultimate Quest Lilipa in general, that place is suicidal for Fomelgion user without Megiverse 1st =w=

ShinMaruku
May 22, 2015, 08:45 PM
I forgot about using megiverse for that even though my bouncer uses it to tank....

Sizustar
May 22, 2015, 08:53 PM
Try another one...
Played too much PSO2es, need to reacquint myself to how the main game is played again..
Need to remember to cast Tali fast throw.
And cast Zanverse and Magi to recover HP = =;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aUMd3ZtNjE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aUMd3ZtNjE

Charmeleon
May 22, 2015, 08:57 PM
Me sucking in ult:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uITTboTf5Tc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uITTboTf5Tc

I spam a lot of ride slasher too :-P

Bellion
May 22, 2015, 10:15 PM
What's the song that start at 03:00 ?

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTo711BxVOM[/SPOILER-BOX]

Judging BGM too? :wacko:

Silnodia
May 23, 2015, 07:20 AM
Judging BGM too? :wacko:

Could be an idea. lol

Thanks. :)

Xaelouse
May 23, 2015, 08:01 AM
To be honest, if you aren't able to ignite parry a boss then fight him with another weapon

RadiantLegend
May 23, 2015, 10:50 AM
My guilty break never charges that fast on full gear. I need a Ares sword in my life.

Charmeleon
May 23, 2015, 02:12 PM
To be honest, if you aren't able to ignite parry a boss then fight him with another weapon

People actually use that PA?


My guilty break never charges that fast on full gear. I need a Ares sword in my life.

It charges faster than the animation implies, much like Assault Buster, Slide End, and Straight Charge. Either his timing is really good or he's using a macro to release with frame precision. Most likely just good timing though.

Xaelouse
May 24, 2015, 02:21 AM
When you're fighting bosses that just scream for you to use it like mecha cats, you should be finding every opportunity to use it. Or anytime there's an attack coming after you finish another PA while mobbing or bossing. That's what separates expert sword users from good ones IMO.
People just dont because the parry timing is still unforgiving, lag, or the boss is stunned too much (which unfortunately the cats can succumb to and die too quickly in a strong party for this to matter).

GHNeko
May 24, 2015, 03:13 AM
your gameplay doesn't even deserve talking tbh...

where da constructive criticism at bruv

scrubs dont go from bad to godlike by telling them suck and shit.

how the hell do ya think all the top 10 leaderboard tryhard ass niggas even got to that point? not alone lmfao.

being like dudley and callin niggas GUTTA TRASH helps no one and does 0 to decrease the amount of garb random players I'm sure you come across. :V

the sword video you posted barely helps anyone who doesnt even get what is going on and why U.D. does the things he do.

that video is for niggas like you and me who get end-game and shit.


People actually use that PA?

yo i.parry is godlike.

i just started playing sword for the first time last week and i picked up on how good i.parry is in like an hour. shits swagger as fuck.

Dephinix
May 24, 2015, 03:33 AM
Shin was frequently in Bouncer thread, and seems to like hybridizing. I'm not sure what their tree is, or what classes they are playing for that matter, I can only assume Force.
Even with that information, to be hitting that low with fire, I can only move on to guess some more. If you want constructive criticism, post some more info.

Ignition Parry is surprisingly good Char, >.>

KazukiQZ
May 24, 2015, 04:54 AM
Nah man I suck.
Xelian uses folemllion - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usULyNKKMTs)

I got no fire weapons bite me.
After watching, some point I can give:

-Fomelgion (and Zandeon too) can be Just Attacked. And like my previous post, JA with either Megiverse/Zanverse according to the right situation is a very good combo.

-You should try craft Shifta/Deband to be Multi. With that, you don't have to cast too many times, usually 2-3 full charges is enough for the full 3 minutes. And since you have PP Convert, you're playing as FOTE. Which means the demerit of more PP usage for Shifta/Deband Multi isn't that bad for you.

-Nafoie is, IMO, a rather bad tech to use. Its PP cost and damage dealt isn't that good compared to other Fire tech, Foie , Rafoie, Safoie and Gifoie can do.

-Try doing Magatsu 2nd phase. It can drop Koushousen, a 'Crimson Crystal' Talis. Make sure it's fire element , or else it'll be useless.

-If the above isn't reachable due to time constraint or no Premium to exchange 10* pass, or didn't like Talis in general (but Talis is fun xD), just make sure your Rod has 50 Fire (or Dark?) to further add Fomelgion damage via Element Conversion.

milranduil
May 24, 2015, 06:25 AM
where da constructive criticism at bruv

scrubs dont go from bad to godlike by telling them suck and shit.

how the hell do ya think all the top 10 leaderboard tryhard ass niggas even got to that point? not alone lmfao.

being like dudley and callin niggas GUTTA TRASH helps no one and does 0 to decrease the amount of garb random players I'm sure you come across. :V

the sword video you posted barely helps anyone who doesnt even get what is going on and why U.D. does the things he do.

that video is for niggas like you and me who get end-game and shit.


i don't waste my energy and time on people that aren't interested in learning, IRL or virtual. shinmaruku is one of those. call those tough words, but if you're still using elder rod at this point and have difficulty JAing shit still, then what are you doing here?

Terrence
May 24, 2015, 06:56 AM
i don't waste my energy and time on people that aren't interested in learning.
Then why wasting ours trying to diplomatically say you're just a pedantic piece of shit ? People are here to be judged and receive advice, "you suck" not being constructive at all. Maybe you should try to read the title of this topic once more, slowly and one letter after another if you have issues, to finally understand it.

milranduil
May 24, 2015, 07:26 AM
Then why wasting ours trying to diplomatically say you're just a pedantic piece of shit ? People are here to be judged and receive advice, "you suck" not being constructive at all. Maybe you should try to read the title of this topic once more, slowly and one letter after another if you have issues, to finally understand it.

i supplied lostbob with a vid displaying superior sword play in the same mission he streamed. shimaruku just isn't worth my time. is that that hard to comprehend honestly?

edit: you know it's honestly hilarious that you think you can talk about anything. you crafted your bio boots. think that says enough.

Selphea
May 24, 2015, 07:28 AM
Speaking of being constructive. I seem to always get a mystery dislike from France on my videos with no constructive criticism whatsoever. I wonder why... :-?

Protip: use a proxy.

Bellion
May 24, 2015, 10:29 AM
Lmao, just checked and same thing for me. Where's my constructive criticism French dood? Teach me how to use TMGs and stuff pls.

and yeah Pokemon, Ignite Parrying is actually incredible against Falke Leone, especially when an MPA can kill it the moment it roars which is definitely a moment where you can use it for grand amounts of damage.

GHNeko
May 24, 2015, 10:55 AM
i don't waste my energy and time on people that aren't interested in learning, IRL or virtual. shinmaruku is one of those. call those tough words, but if you're still using elder rod at this point and have difficulty JAing shit still, then what are you doing here?

well like i said showing someone superior sword play doesnt mean much if they're not at a high enough level to understand the where, how, and why behind the decision making of the player. i also dont feel its not really...constructive...? I guess?

generally constructive criticism is supposed to be fairly understandable and reasonably specific and precise, pointing what and where and how they didnt so something optimally and letting them know what better options they had. On top of that, unless their skill level has been clearly established, its generally safer to critique from the perspective that they're a mid-level player. Not only for their sake, but for the sake of other readers who may not have had the courage to post and feel they're on a similar level to whom you're critiquing.

so on and so forth.

like i was getting at, showing someone a video and say "be more like this" doesnt help players improve, even if they start mimicking what they see.

It's actually an issue that plagues lots of mid-tier players and below in the fighting game community where they take combos from high level players and imitate the current high level meta that they see from world class players like Diago, Justin Wong, Ricky Ortiz, PR Balrog, Mew2King, Armada, Leffen, Dr.PP, so on and so forth.

So that they become able to do the things that high level players do and can kinda hold their own...but have 0 fundamentals so once their copied gameplay style doesnt cut it for them, they get bopped by shit that could have been dealt with with a combination of high level knowledge and fundamentals, or simply just fundamentals alone.

PSO2 isnt a fighting game, but the concept is still applicable. If a player has no fundamentals; no understanding of their options; no understanding of what, why, how, and when, they can imitate how players play in videos they see, but more than likely only in the situations they saw in the video without the ability to put 2 and 2 together and recognize similar, but different situations in which an option is optimal.

*shrug*

But what do I know? I still die a lot lol.

Charmeleon
May 24, 2015, 11:01 AM
and yeah Pokemon, Ignite Parrying is actually incredible against Falke Leone, especially when an MPA can kill it the moment it roars which is definitely a moment where you can use it for grand amounts of damage.

Thanks for clearing that up. Time to start using IP so I can become one of these "experts"!

GHNeko
May 24, 2015, 11:04 AM
The one thing about I.Parry i like is that you can parry up to 3 times before you reach your cancel point.

Xaelouse
May 24, 2015, 11:07 AM
I mean it's cool, you dont have to use it. Just know that wired lance/partizan is better against bosses if you're not.

Bellion
May 24, 2015, 11:09 AM
It excels over other PAs when you have gear lv3+ and actually succeed a JG. It doubles your damage(it seems, maybe more I haven't played around with it enough yesterday) upon these 2 conditions and becomes high DPS and PP efficient at this point.

Of course I wouldn't recommend it for speed running certain quests, but it is quite useful for ultimate quests that are aggressive as heck. Tanking Leone with it so she doesn't spin to win across the map as much helps the MPA kill it faster too.

LonelyGaruga
May 24, 2015, 12:05 PM
PSO2 isnt a fighting game, but the concept is still applicable. If a player has no fundamentals; no understanding of their options; no understanding of what, why, how, and when, they can imitate how players play in videos they see, but more than likely only in the situations they saw in the video without the ability to put 2 and 2 together and recognize similar, but different situations in which an option is optimal.

If someone has none of that stuff by the time they're level capped I don't know what they're doing wrong. All it takes is some critical thinking to figure this stuff out. The biggest problem imo is looking at mid level play and coming to the conclusion that they were using their tools optimally when they really weren't. That hinders actual improvement as a player.

GHNeko
May 24, 2015, 12:18 PM
If someone has none of that stuff by the time they're level capped I don't know what they're doing wrong. All it takes is some critical thinking to figure this stuff out. The biggest problem imo is looking at mid level play and coming to the conclusion that they were using their tools optimally when they really weren't. That hinders actual improvement as a player.

If this was like a year ago, I'd agree with you. Hell if it was pre-boost aura unit, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But the EXP gain methods are seriously increasing. Daily triboost, 1.4x exp in full human party, exp boosters being tossed like candy (the market is loosening up too.), Boost Aura unit giving you +30% exp until level 30 or some shit.

Leveling to SH is at its easiest atm; so much so that I'm wholly not surprised there are lv70+ players with no fundamentals. Hence why we see players in SH territory that have no clue what they're doing. One of the most common tips for leveling players is, "Save your EXP Boosters for SH. Specifically SHEQs. I was able to get from 40-50 in a matter of hours for my HU like 5 days ago.

On top of that; things die so fast and you can get carried in an MPA without even realizing also gives players the notion that they're playing optimally.

Then throw in crutch PAs and technics like Shunka Dunka, Dispersion Shunka, Sat Can and more that can do a lot of things very well a majority of the time.

Then yeah.

No fundementals by level cap? Totally plausible.

LonelyGaruga
May 24, 2015, 01:09 PM
Well I guess, but the player in question has been around for a while and even wrote a (rather poor) guide for sword Hu/Br (http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227063). Not really applicable in context.

Though tbh I think Lostbob falls into the same category as Shin and obviously doesn't want to improve as a player. I don't know why people post in this thread if they know they're baddies and don't care. Waste of time really.

qoxolg
May 24, 2015, 01:32 PM
@Neko:
That exactly. EQ's and LQ's, Koffie CO's, Hans CO's give way to much EXP and it's basically content where you hardly have to do anything. During EQ's and LQ's you can just dick around and do nothing, and no one notices. There is hardly any build up in skill when you constantly play in 12 man MPA's.

Back in the EP1 days, leveling took much much longer, which was good, because we actually spent time playing the actual content. I still remember it took forever to reach lv 40. I regulary solo'd much of the content. I died to most of the bosses, but at least I learned. Now bosses are steamrolled in MPA's before they can unleash any of their attacks. Enemies melt before most of the MPA can even touch them.

The difference between real bad players and decent ones is becoming glaring when you play ultimate. I've had 4 man Ult Lilipa MPA's without WB, that performed better then 12 man MPA's that did have WB. As a melee techer I look a lot at my mini-map for mob-management for Zondeel and it's not uncommon to constantly see 3-4 players run around the map at places, not fighting any enemies. Maybe thats just lag, but some people seem to lag behind the MPA big time.


Anyway, I suck at this game, so whatever. Don't have any interesting video to share. Maybe will try to solo some XHAQ's when they arrive.

GHNeko
May 24, 2015, 01:43 PM
It probably doesnt help that the meta and popular opinion push players towards "MORE DAMAGE. MORE DPS. THIS IS DPSO2. FUCK EVERYTING UP FASTER SO YOU DONT DIE."

lol.

Bellion
May 24, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nothing else will allow you to get more experience, drops, and stuff in a shorter period of time, though.

I blame the 12/12 bullshit, as you really can't solo and do everything yourself without wasting too much time for rewards. Then when you do play in a 12/12, uneven enemy aggression is spread to some players, while others don't get attacked and get to "relax."
Warcry and related skills only lasts so long until "oh wait, your damage is low, let me get the guy that does more damage."

SakoHaruo
May 24, 2015, 02:45 PM
There's isn't much in here to judge. It's just the same shitty players being shitty. There's no helping them, abandon all hope. More like a bait thread. :no:

Mildora
May 24, 2015, 02:50 PM
I learned how to play braver from watching videos. I took those skills and excelled with them over time. I've got 5k hours in this game - I'd say majority of those hours went into braver. I've maxed everything but Gu and Fi and YES, I still struggle with those classes I've capped. Like I wanted to test myself, I took my RaHu 75 to Sh Zeshrayda, got rekt. Watched a video and understood my attack on kneecap wasn't enough to drop him. Now I can take zesh down with ease.

so I can agree to disagree. Yes, people can level a class/get carried and not know what they're doing in the future, but I think its much possible for people to learn something from a video and excel with it in your own way.

(-sigh- Zeshraydaof all turtles...)

BeHummer
May 24, 2015, 03:06 PM
I don't know whether its the same as u guys or not

in my case, i lernt the basic and how to do properly with my main class 「Gu」 from videos

then I tried to test my limit by doing like something imposible and stupid, that way i could improve my self faster

GHNeko
May 24, 2015, 03:33 PM
Videos dont work for everyone thou.

Just because it works for you or your friend doesnt mean it's a generally good method of learning how to play, though I'm not saying its not hella effective.

I've personally never really benefited from videos or guides.

My greatest improvements come from when I understand mechanics underneath the hood of the game and theory.

Literally I got decent at this game through mostly theorycraft and testing said theorycraft.

Macmaxi
May 24, 2015, 03:41 PM
Speaking of Ignite Parry. I feel like it makes Sword gameplay pretty boring, what do you guys say? I kinda want to improve how i play sword but i can't find anything else to do during these fights, even if Ignite Parry looks sweet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40993qH5CQ4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40993qH5CQ4

Xaelouse
May 24, 2015, 03:44 PM
Use rising edge/nova strike during the times when you're not even JGing anything.

Also, because sword is just a really boring weapon. The Hunter weapons are just like that compared to other melee.

Macmaxi
May 24, 2015, 04:05 PM
I can only think that Katana would be more fun. It would probably take longer though because Katana JG actually wastes a lot of time.

GHNeko
May 24, 2015, 04:06 PM
Katana JG has a long animation but you can interrupt the animation fairly soon.

Flaoc
May 24, 2015, 04:07 PM
but if you're still using elder rod at this point


well in the video he was using a fire elder rod... yea thats an issue (actually no idea if it was even fire) but an ice elder rod crafted to max extend is actually solid it has frozen crystal so not all elder rods are bad (if they use ice that is)

but for the purpose of the video get a koushoushen and a bert rodan if u can.. koush is easy nowadays just tekk all talises fire u get from the ais magatsu fight and bert well i actually dont know these days

Macmaxi
May 24, 2015, 04:08 PM
Katana JG has a long animation but you can interrupt the animation fairly soon.

Damn you are right! Time to level Braver.

milranduil
May 24, 2015, 05:40 PM
Lmao, just checked and same thing for me. Where's my constructive criticism French dood? Teach me how to use TMGs and stuff pls.

and yeah Pokemon, Ignite Parrying is actually incredible against Falke Leone, especially when an MPA can kill it the moment it roars which is definitely a moment where you can use it for grand amounts of damage.

I got 19 dislikes in 1 day from someone in the phillipines... hot damn someone salty.

Videos dont work for everyone thou.

Just because it works for you or your friend doesnt mean it's a generally good method of learning how to play, though I'm not saying its not hella effective.

I've personally never really benefited from videos or guides.

My greatest improvements come from when I understand mechanics underneath the hood of the game and theory.

Literally I got decent at this game through mostly theorycraft and testing said theorycraft.

You're a minority then, sorry to say. Everyone I actually play with who is decent at the game that wasn't familiar with mechanics by simply experimenting themselves learned through video gameplay. I'd like to emphasize that too... it's not hard to walk into free field (on any difficulty) and throw random PAs at shit to see how many hits, charge times, damage, etc. Experiment with shit, this game is not that hard to learn how to play. It only stops becoming trivial when you're competing for the very best time in TA and even then, it's tiny things that set apart players, nothing gargantuan on its own.

well in the video he was using a fire elder rod... yea thats an issue (actually no idea if it was even fire) but an ice elder rod crafted to max extend is actually solid it has frozen crystal so not all elder rods are bad (if they use ice that is)


Oh don't get me wrong, max crafted ice elder rod is the shit if you don't have 13* since it's dumpster cheap after every elder eq. No reason at all to buy nepto even when it's cheap right now due to 10* vs. 11* grind.

I can only think that Katana would be more fun. It would probably take longer though because Katana JG actually wastes a lot of time.

The counter skills make it pretty worthwhile once you have gear (which takes like 1-2 kanrans in UQ). I deal like 25k+ and restore 6pp per target hit.

ShinMaruku
May 24, 2015, 05:45 PM
i don't waste my energy and time on people that aren't interested in learning, IRL or virtual. shinmaruku is one of those. call those tough words, but if you're still using elder rod at this point and have difficulty JAing shit still, then what are you doing here?

You remind me of one of those FGC people. Full of assumptions and have a lack of tact. How can you judge people without having more information.
Protip here, if you want to be helpful learn to be tactful first/ Otherwise you just come off as an asshat and this forum is full of dime a dozen asshats.


As to the other people you are wondering my tree? I can post my force tree.
http://pso2-skill.pwnedgalaxy.net/skillcalc.php?10uDbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxIm jcAIOludodBIb000000000doInI20000000fdoib0000000fdo 0000000dBbsiN2SGAIklcfcKIk00000ioInidbndoGAqBIkcKc AGAcA000009bIo0000000jdoIb0000000j
That is my force tree.

Obviously I don't have most of the fire weapons as you can see. SO why would anybody expect 20k rafois's from me when I don't have those things? Just recently went back to play my force and you have people with a whole assortment of assumptions as I been playing this game from day one and have premium to to buy god knows what star weapons.

Try to understand why something is as such before you assume things. Then you can be helpful.

milranduil
May 24, 2015, 05:54 PM
I've watched your stream plenty of times; no assumptions needed to determine what kind of player you are.

ShinMaruku
May 24, 2015, 05:59 PM
Plenty of assumtions. If you did watch you would see that my primary fire techs come from my talis or mainly from my other fire staff. You are talking about the elder rod soley. You would also see that I don't have the high end fire stuff. But nah you coming in here with the tipical, "Not worth mah time yo shit" Attitude.

But dime a dozen.

GHNeko
May 24, 2015, 06:03 PM
You're a minority then, sorry to say. Everyone I actually play with who is decent at the game that wasn't familiar with mechanics by simply experimenting themselves learned through video gameplay. I'd like to emphasize that too... it's not hard to walk into free field (on any difficulty) and throw random PAs at shit to see how many hits, charge times, damage, etc. Experiment with shit, this game is not that hard to learn how to play. It only stops becoming trivial when you're competing for the very best time in TA and even then, it's tiny things that set apart players, nothing gargantuan on its own.

Mm. Yeah I know I'm in the minority. I guess the point I was getting at is that everyone learns differently and generally referring to one's personal experience and maybe your circle of PSO2 Buddies could be counter by being labled as anecdotal.

Generally, at least to me, it seems that the people who freely experiment and seek out videos are the guys are are generally more skilled at gaming than the regular populace. I guess you could just say I'm attempting to be accomodating because there are so many low-mid tier players that could be much better but have had no guidance and dont have the sense for things like those who experiment and test things out?

At this point, I really dont have else to say.

ShinMaruku
May 24, 2015, 06:07 PM
People of that mindset are not suited to teach those who think not like them. There is not one other thing to say.

Kondibon
May 24, 2015, 06:11 PM
I have no idea what's going on between Shin and Adios other than the fact that it made me want to listen to duel of the fates, but...

Generally the idea of giving feedback is to help people improve. Going "Yeah well you suck" then spending several pages talking about how you don't think someone is worthy of your advice is pointlessly antagonizing.

ShinMaruku
May 24, 2015, 06:15 PM
I have no idea what's going on between Shin and Adios other than the fact that it made me want to listen to duel of the fates, but...

Generally the idea of giving feedback is to help people improve. Going "Yeah well you suck" then spending several pages talking about how you don't think someone is worthy of your advice is pointlessly antagonizing.
That should be self evident. But I just think he wants to be an asshat. Could be wrong but who knows.

milranduil
May 24, 2015, 06:16 PM
Mm. Yeah I know I'm in the minority. I guess the point I was getting at is that everyone learns differently and generally referring to one's personal experience and maybe your circle of PSO2 Buddies could be counter by being labled as anecdotal.

Generally, at least to me, it seems that the people who freely experiment and seek out videos are the guys are are generally more skilled at gaming than the regular populace. I guess you could just say I'm attempting to be accomodating because there are so many low-mid tier players that could be much better but have had no guidance and dont have the sense for things like those who experiment and test things out?

At this point, I really dont have else to say.

I'm all for accomodating various learning styles I greatly encourage that. This is imperative in the teaching and tutoring business, knowing how to come up with a new strategy to teach when a student is lost or just doesn't get it when you explain it the first four different ways, and then they finally get it the fifth variation. Do you waste your time on the student who didn't get it the first four times because he was messing around with his phone instead of paying attention to you though? No, you tell him to figure it out on his own or ask a classmate. And when it becomes a pattern over and over again? Nothing you can do, the student doesn't want to learn.

Now, take this in the context of psow. There are some genuinely interested in learning, but they are few and far between. If you're just a bunch of excuses, you won't be getting shit from me.

Kondibon
May 24, 2015, 06:21 PM
That should be self evident. But I just think he wants to be an asshat. Could be wrong but who knows.I'm not on your side in this, I just can't for the life of me think of anything to say about how defensive you get because I do the same thing and I still haven't figured it out yet.


If you're just a bunch of excuses, you won't be getting shit from me.No... I think you give people plenty of shit regardless.

milranduil
May 24, 2015, 06:22 PM
That's not even related to what I meant.... "you won't be getting shit from me" = I have no interest in helping you improve.

ShinMaruku
May 24, 2015, 06:23 PM
I think part of your issue is you spent far too much time in this place and think there is some hivemind about. I mean sure some times this place is not to take seriously but hey you are making it worse being atagonistic and that is just as bad.

Take a break off psow you think everybody is some bellend.

milranduil
May 24, 2015, 06:25 PM
I think part of your issue is you spent far too much time in this place and think there is some hivemind about. I mean sure some times this place is not to take seriously but hey you are making it worse being atagonistic and that is just as bad.

Take a break off psow you think everybody is some bellend.

I'm actually laughing out loud right now, like dying. You get all defensive about making assumptions and then you post this :wacko:

Flaoc
May 24, 2015, 06:26 PM
well this is just getting silly at this point

:-?

Kondibon
May 24, 2015, 06:27 PM
That's not even related to what I meant.... "you won't be getting shit from me" = I have no interest in helping you improve.Yeah, sorry. I was being... something. Still, if you have no interest in helping people improve why even bother to heckle them?



Take a break off psow you think everybody is some bellend.But I like Bellend. ):

EDIT: Nope, there it is. It's back. I need this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVBqBosf5w

ShinMaruku
May 24, 2015, 06:30 PM
But I like Bellend. ):
If there was a tag to give this thread I think bell end would be it. http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/4339/1.0

LonelyGaruga
May 24, 2015, 06:30 PM
That should be self evident. But I just think he wants to be an asshat. Could be wrong but who knows.

Looking at your gameplay, it really is so bad that I can't see why you even uploaded anything in the first place. You can't even JA consistently and you do really dumb things like Gibarta on Vol's tail as a Fi/Bo when you should Ilbarta (Gibarta struggles to hit Vol's tail consistently, doesn't do that much damage per hit in the first place, Vol tends to move out of the way, and you lose Brave Stance by getting behind it in the first place, and waste time chasing it down, Ilbarta doesn't have any of these problems). Going over the Gwanahda video specifically

-Don't waste your time with Deband. Nobody wants to see that and it shows you expect to get hit. If you aren't confident enough in your skills to not need it, don't upload content featuring it. This applies mostly for boss solos, but Deband really doesn't do that much regardless of content unless you spec for Deband Cut.
-JA your attacks properly please. Normal > tech or Shifta > tech, don't go straight to tech unless you're under PP Convert, and only for fast techs (like Nafoie)
-Don't hold Nafoie forever. Gwana isn't going anywhere and you just reduce your damage output. You do nothing productive by waiting seconds before using it.
-Aim your attacks properly. That Nafoie whiff was a really basic mistake that should never have been made. You can't face the right direction when you're attacking?
-If you have a talis like you say you do, then go talis > Gifoie instead of using Rafoie to blast the tentacles. It's faster and more efficient. Talis Tech Bonus also applies to Fomelgion, but you cast it normally instead of from a talis so it's a win/win.

None of this has to do with the quality of your equipment. I don't really see why you think your gameplay is fine when it's pretty low tier. Not that there's a problem with that as long as you improve upon it, but there's really no reason to act like the comments are unjustified. If you want to get better as a player, say so and eat the criticism. If you don't, then don't post in a thread like this.

milranduil
May 24, 2015, 06:37 PM
I thought swiki said talis tech bonus does not work for compound techs.

ShinMaruku
May 24, 2015, 06:39 PM
Well this is what I would like to see.

All your points are noted.

LonelyGaruga
May 24, 2015, 06:39 PM
Oh huh I thought I read that it did in Folmelgion's comments, but it looks like I'm mistaken. Never mind then.

Weird, I also saw other people JA it from a talis on videos, dunno why anyone would use a talis instead of a rod if Talis Tech Bonus doesn't work with it.

Kondibon
May 24, 2015, 06:40 PM
I thought swiki said talis tech bonus does not work for compound techs.Indeed it does.

milranduil
May 24, 2015, 06:44 PM
Oh huh I thought I read that it did in Folmelgion's comments, but it looks like I'm mistaken. Never mind then.

Weird, I also saw other people JA it from a talis on videos, dunno why anyone would use a talis instead of a rod if Talis Tech Bonus doesn't work with it.

Maybe they have 60 talis but no 60 rod (not unlike my 29 katana with 4 bows in storage <- salt).

KazukiQZ
May 24, 2015, 08:57 PM
I use Koushousen for my Fomelgion (Or Seimei Kikami for Dark boost) since I don't have the Rod version of the tech damage pot =3=

Still, talis' Compound Tech can lead to some interesting combo, if used on mobs and JAing with talis Zondeel, so it's a plus, I guess.

ShinMaruku
May 25, 2015, 02:43 AM
I got the maxes out Seimei and I'll see how it does with that one.
Also just got a Koushousen from some recent magatsu run. I'll check those two out some time later.

And as to the the comment about when I was using gibarta when using bouncer, it was less to hit vol but for faster charges of vinto and it was for mobbing. Generally on vol I would use dual blades to break the tail.

LonelyGaruga
May 25, 2015, 03:44 AM
If you craft Ilbarta for -charge time you can cut its charge time by up to half, so you can build JB Gear faster. You could also just switch Gibarta out for Ilbarta at the boss room or something. Also, one problem with using Gibarta on the tail is that Vol's entire body barring its horns, head, and tail are resistant to all elements (including ice), so you don't get Elemental Stance if Gibarta fails to hit the tail properly.

The best thing you could probably do is just swap Gibarta out for Ilbarta at the boss room, since the only reason not to is to save a couple seconds swapping things around. The time you save by beating Vol faster is much greater, though. Although this is all completely irrelevant if you stick with DBs, but I think JB Ilbarta would be better just because you can still get Brave Stance while using it.

Selphea
May 25, 2015, 05:36 AM
Why not Sabarta, considering it's gonna be less than 7 casts for tail break.

ShinMaruku
May 25, 2015, 12:16 PM
Mainly PP issues, when I get my last set of affixes down I will change it to ilbarta.

Sabarta I never thought about because last time I used that the tail would move out the way. But I'll see how that turns out.

Generally if I use my dual blades to cut him down. That last run was me testing how the jetboots would help.

LonelyGaruga
May 25, 2015, 01:03 PM
Why not Sabarta, considering it's gonna be less than 7 casts for tail break.

Sabarta has no tracking and takes 1.5s to charge. Ilbarta is the only ice tech that can be crafted with a charge time reduction recipe (Efficient Gibarta gets 0.93s, but that's nothing compared to 0.5-0.7s on Ilbarta), and it's the only ice tech that auto-targets. Vol resists all elements except for ice and dark (dark is neutral on the head/tail, but Burn resists dark), so Ilbarta is the best auto-target tech for this. Depending on how good the player's tech damage is, they could just finish the chain on the horn since it has a 60% ice modifier, so it can hit huge numbers.


Mainly PP issues, when I get my last set of affixes down I will change it to ilbarta.

Sabarta I never thought about because last time I used that the tail would move out the way. But I'll see how that turns out.

Generally if I use my dual blades to cut him down. That last run was me testing how the jetboots would help.

Well when you get the tail break you could Limit Break and normal > shift to regen a good 80+ PP (counting natural regen as well as regen from attacks) depending on how much SP you put into Crazy Heart. If you go DBs after getting the tail break I suppose the PP doesn't matter at all either, so you can just expend it all breaking the tail without worry.

So the basic strategy would probably look like Ilbarta on tail until it breaks, switch to DBs (or finish Ilbarta chain first), and flinch lock Vol until it dies.

ShinMaruku
May 25, 2015, 01:34 PM
That's the idea I have. Is to break tail, limit break and dance on it's skill with PB. I'll try that out today. Hopefully this recording ain't so bad.

Selphea
May 25, 2015, 05:57 PM
Sabarta has no tracking...

Really? It's never missed for me o_O!

LonelyGaruga
May 25, 2015, 06:23 PM
Sabarta freezes small mobs in place (as in, they completely stop moving, not the SE) if you use it on them. But it never actually follows a target.

Selphea
May 25, 2015, 07:36 PM
Sabarta freezes small mobs in place (as in, they completely stop moving, not the SE) if you use it on them. But it never actually follows a target.

[SPOILER-BOX]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYKVWMFLY00[/SPOILER-BOX]

That's on an SATK build Bo/Fi with no drink/buffs and not using Elysion mind you, just showing the tracking properties.

Maninbluejumpsuit
May 25, 2015, 08:11 PM
[SPOILER-BOX]Sabarta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYKVWMFLY00)[/SPOILER-BOX]

That's on an SATK build Bo/Fi with no drink/buffs and not using Elysion mind you, just showing the tracking properties.

Do it charged.

Selphea
May 25, 2015, 08:31 PM
Do it charged.

Why would you want to do it charged though? Uncharged with Innocent Form would do more DPS. Especially as Fi/Bo which doesn't have 2x Tech Charge vs 1x Normal Tech or Charge PP Revival to consider. Not to mention Elysion is bargain bin material right now and you don't even need 50% since there's no Element Conversion.

Dephinix
May 25, 2015, 08:47 PM
Umm, I think the original topic of which ice spell to use was what to charge JB gear with, not just to break tail? Could be wrong and just skimmed it really, but I thought that was why
crafted ilbarta was mentioned.

Selphea
May 25, 2015, 08:59 PM
Oops yea no rainbow boots. Ah well Elysion Sabarta 1 2 3, swap to Boots and charge for tail break? Can use the same strat for most other ice bosses like with Nepto's spear. Rodos you can just pre-charge while it swims around anyway.

Rakurai
May 25, 2015, 09:03 PM
Sa Barta didn't always track targets. I believe it was only after the balance update that they implemented it.

Does make it a lot more useful, especially when trying to snipe using the aiming mode. It can't hit through walls, however, unlike the other techs with infinite range.

LonelyGaruga
May 25, 2015, 09:43 PM
[SPOILER-BOX]Sabarta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYKVWMFLY00)[/SPOILER-BOX]

That's on an SATK build Bo/Fi with no drink/buffs and not using Elysion mind you, just showing the tracking properties.

Huh, OK. There was a tracking buff a while ago to Sabarta (near EP3's beginning I think), but I didn't notice any difference with the charged version when I tested it to see if anything changed, so I decided to double check swiki to see if there was a difference. Sabarta will track up until it starts launching hits. Since uncharged is only one hit it rarely whiffs (it still can, but it's very reliable). So it's just the charged version tends to whiff the second and third hit.

As for why using the charged version, uncharged doesn't built JB Gear, but I overthought things since this would only be important if you stuck around with JBs to Vinto, and Shin's strategy was going to be to switch to DBs. Given that Ilbarta is the only ice tech with a charge time that can reach less than 0.9s, the Concentrated recipe is probably more valuable for a Bouncer than the Ice Fang recipe so that JB Gear can be built faster for Vinto on ice weak enemies, which handicaps Ilbarta for this context since Sabarta can still use Ice Fang. Averaging the changes to power through crafting, Sabarta is 888 power (44% uncharged for 390 power), and Ilbarta is 495 power (50% uncharged for 247 power). Ilbarta will double in damage after the 3rd hit lands, so even if you were using the Concentrated recipe, spamming Ilbarta uncharged would be better than using Sabarta if you take 5+ casts to break the tail, which is probable since Fi/Bo has relatively low tech multipliers compared to Fo/Te or Te/Br. You could also choose to take advantage of the shorter charge time on Ilbarta by using a crafted Dinia Rod, but that introduces multiple variables like PP efficiency and casting speed, instead of being a simple damage comparison, so it's not as easy to compare without actually having everything in question.

But I don't see any indication that Shin would have anything besides the weapons shown in the stream recording, so that's what I was working with in the first place. Concentrated Ilbarta would be completely superior to uncharged Sabarta assuming the lack of any weapon that wasn't demonstrated. Though going over this strategy, I'm not entirely sure Fi/Bo even has strong enough techs to break Vol's tail reasonably quickly (57K HP at level 65). It may actually be faster to eat the Brave Stance penalty and just melee it since Bouncer has high damage melee options. And if you go a T-ATK build to try to improve tech damage, then you'd most likely use JBs and Vinto after the tail break, which means using Ilbarta to build Gear, so looking over everything Fi/Bo can do, I don't think Sabarta is a very good choice here.

Selphea
May 25, 2015, 10:57 PM
I'm not entirely sure Fi/Bo even has strong enough techs to break Vol's tail reasonably quickly (57K HP at level 65). It may actually be faster to eat the Brave Stance penalty and just melee it since Bouncer has high damage melee options. And if you go a T-ATK build to try to improve tech damage, then you'd most likely use JBs and Vinto after the tail break, which means using Ilbarta to build Gear, so looking over everything Fi/Bo can do, I don't think Sabarta is a very good choice here.

I use Wise Stance Sympho, but 4rt says crafted Elysion can do it in 4 casts with 90ATK affixes with LB, assuming 4th cast has PP Slayer.

Also totally forgot no rainbow set means element resets after Vinto, otherwise you could rotate Strike Gust -> Vinto. I swear non-rainbow JBa are a PITA.

K.O. Kazjivo
May 26, 2015, 09:25 AM
The last time I asked for advice, I was lv. 60 and had 1.3k S-ATK. I improved a bit but I am not sure which PA's to use on Burn Draal. For example, tail break, nose horn break, back horn break. Also, can someone tell me where to use Hatou Rindou? I am not sure exactly where it does most damage and hits. (The exact area)

[SPOILER-BOX]Burn Draal solo (https://youtu.be/tbSAvqnZ7P0)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Macmaxi
May 26, 2015, 10:03 AM
Please don't add video filters that make the content less visible. It hurts. Also i'm pretty sure you need to step back a few meters to hit horn/spike with the sweetspot of Hatou. Otherwise pretty basic Braver stuff, might not want to get hit either.

K.O. Kazjivo
May 26, 2015, 10:12 AM
How much further back exactly, for example body-length wise?

Bellion
May 26, 2015, 10:57 AM
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag232/altumbra/upupdowndown_zpshbho22pf.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

Stand slightly past the tail crystal, jump, and Hatou towards the face. Standing at the exact sweet spot will allow you to hit both horns from the back and doing a full 9 hits of Hatou. If you don't stand and jump in the exact spot, you'll be hitting the face, which is fine too.

FireswordRus
May 26, 2015, 03:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoRM7PpaqLc

build http://pso2-skill.pwnedgalaxy.net/skillcalc.php?10dAbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxIm da0fdBdBIbl2lNGAqnIdJksXI20000006dBInI2bndAbofGKrv HsIOdFIo00000fdoib0000000fdo0000000Io00000007oIn00 000000IbIo0000000jdoIb0000000j

weapon and units:
Unit crafted Saiki set for HP: Gunner soul, stamina III, Stamina Boost, Spitita III, Stigma, All resist III
1st Weapon Ideal Rafale 60 light, LV3 potential: Gunner soul, stamina III, Stamina Boost, Spitita III, Mirage I, All resist III
2nd Weapon Ideal Ster 20 light, LV3 potential: Gunner soul, stamina III, Stamina Boost, Spitita III, Mirage I, All resist III

Xaelouse
May 26, 2015, 04:57 PM
you should had used twin daggers from the beginning of the mecha cat fight. At least you realized later.
Double Saber isn't really meant for bosses anymore.

Sizustar
May 26, 2015, 05:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2S4S2J74OA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2S4S2J74OA

Probabely shouldn't record when I'm really tired.

FireswordRus
May 26, 2015, 06:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2S4S2J74OA

Probabely shouldn't record when I'm really tired.

I am want try that :)

final_attack
May 26, 2015, 06:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2S4S2J74OA

Probabely shouldn't record when I'm really tired.

I wanna try 1st person mode too :D

It changed Z-mode to 1st person, right? :o

FireswordRus
May 26, 2015, 06:59 PM
I wanna try 1st person mode too :D

It changed Z-mode to 1st person, right? :o
no, just use scroll to change camera angle

Sizustar
May 26, 2015, 11:58 PM
I wanna try 1st person mode too :D

It changed Z-mode to 1st person, right? :o

No, it's all first person, Z just gives it a target reticle instead.

Flaoc
May 27, 2015, 01:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2S4S2J74OA

Probabely shouldn't record when I'm really tired.

this is actually pretty legit. id love to play in 1st person for a even a little bit to screw around

Tigy
May 28, 2015, 08:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx04LS01l_s
Dragon Ex (SH)
(mute the video, it could be annoying for some people)

It was me before I realized how good is showtime,
2 months later I change to GU/RA and start to play with showtime, but nothing really changed from my tmg gameplay (just kill faster because of weak bullet+showtime damage+sat aim chain finish)

FireswordRus
May 28, 2015, 01:14 PM
strong obscene language :) 18+

Nothing epic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky8OjV6p-q4

50% HP done for 8 minutes, Switch TD>DS in the air, fight with DS in the air.
my opinion: EQ Vardha XH impossible to do with Fi/Hu solo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MzYeE0yM1U

I am think, Boss HP on XH ~x4-x5 more then on SH

FireswordRus
May 28, 2015, 01:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx04LS01l_s
Dragon Ex (SH)
(mute the video, it could be annoying for some people)

It was me before I realized how good is showtime,
2 months later I change to GU/RA and start to play with showtime, but nothing really changed from my tmg gameplay (just kill faster because of weak bullet+showtime damage+sat aim chain finish)

Nice :)

Macmaxi
May 28, 2015, 03:24 PM
strong obscene language :) 18+

Nothing epic
PSO2. EQ Vardha SH. Fi/Hu - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky8OjV6p-q4)

50% HP done for 8 minutes, Switch TD>DS in the air, fight with DS in the air.
my opinion: EQ Vardha XH impossible to do with Fi/Hu solo
PSO2. EQ Vardha XH. Fi/HU Fail - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MzYeE0yM1U)

I am think, Boss HP on XH ~x4-x5 more then on SH



But it has already been done. In 7 Minutes.

FireswordRus
May 28, 2015, 03:55 PM
But it has already been done. In 7 Minutes.
Like that? :)
[spoiler-box]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhtSLsbn9bU[/spoiler-box]

Macmaxi
May 28, 2015, 04:41 PM
You can find the video yourself if you look a bit for it, it was a Hu/Fi i found somewhere on nico. (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25628574) I actually want to do it myself, but still don't know if i want to use Sword or Knuckles.

FireswordRus
May 28, 2015, 05:10 PM
You can find the video yourself if you look a bit for it, it was a Hu/Fi i found somewhere on nico. (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25628574) I actually want to do it myself, but still don't know if i want to use Sword or Knuckles.

This is 2 stance Hu/Fi build.
Little easy to do it with swords. Over end protect u from suction.
Most of Fi PA are breakable, maybe try with TD only?

Macmaxi
May 28, 2015, 05:33 PM
But Daggers are the lowest in Damage Output, why would i cripple myself like that. It's probably still possible with Symphonic Dive Spam, but that's even more boring than Over End. I will probably try to get a kill with knuckles, if the EQ does come around again. Maybe even consider a strat where you break the shoulder cannons to allow full dps with LB on the core.


Tell you what, if the EQ is up, i might just try a run with my kamuis.

Selphea
May 28, 2015, 06:23 PM
Fighter is disadvantaged vs Vardha IMO, since it moves around and messes with Fighter stances.

Still, Twin Daggers managed to down XH Ragne in 1 minute in LB (http://youtu.be/TE7wDBhtSPk) using LB. XH Mad Machine Vardha is 3.5 times the HP so using Ideal, 7 minutes of going ham on the pimple on its head should be more than enough.

Sympho is high DPS but not PP efficient. Orchestra will probably need to come in for PP efficiency, with something like Polka or Rhapsody to set up the TAJA, same as the Ragne video.

Dephinix
May 28, 2015, 06:34 PM
Why does he have a 35 second cooldown on his Limit Break?

infiniteeverlasting
May 28, 2015, 06:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Sanctum SH run on my BR/HU.


someone please teach me how to beat the gorango faster

Z-0
May 28, 2015, 06:37 PM
Just because you are FiHu doesn't mean you should necessarily be using Fighter weapons only.

Just break all the cannons on Vardha that are able to attack you while body is open (shouldn't take long, use TD/DS/Partizan to pick them off), then you get to freely beat on his core with Partizan for a fast kill.

milranduil
May 28, 2015, 06:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Sanctum SH run on my BR/HU.


someone please teach me how to beat the gorango faster

you got me

FireswordRus
May 28, 2015, 06:52 PM
I am try next with 2 stances build

Selphea
May 28, 2015, 06:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Sanctum SH run on my BR/HU.


someone please teach me how to beat the gorango faster

For that class you need to use more hammertime (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo).

FireswordRus
May 28, 2015, 07:00 PM
Just because you are FiHu doesn't mean you should necessarily be using Fighter weapons only.

Just break all the cannons on Vardha that are able to attack you while body is open (shouldn't take long, use TD/DS/Partizan to pick them off), then you get to freely beat on his core with Partizan for a fast kill.

I am know, but i am dont like other weapons:) I am realy dont know why, Maybe it is start from PSO, continue in PSU and in PSO2 )
I am try to do maximum with DS.

Macmaxi
May 29, 2015, 12:50 PM
Just because you are FiHu doesn't mean you should necessarily be using Fighter weapons only.

Just break all the cannons on Vardha that are able to attack you while body is open (shouldn't take long, use TD/DS/Partizan to pick them off), then you get to freely beat on his core with Partizan for a fast kill.


Did you ever try to Zenith the core?


I already considered using all weapons. Sword is excluded because it already has been "proven" to work, Wired Lances can't really do much on Varda since he's constantly moving and i have no idea how to consistently deal damage to the core unless you are using cerberus which should be quite low in DPS.


Partizan suffers from the issue that Zenith doesn't work on Core, and other PA's might not be as pp efficient.

If i ever tried it, i would use Daggers and Knuckles most likely.

the_importer_
May 30, 2015, 02:31 AM
OK, well, time to swallow my own pill. here's a gameplay of myself in Ult Lilipa with a random MPA. Not my best Ult Lilipa performance, I gt tossed around a few times, but I didn't die. To my defense, Block 15 was lagging as hell and Ult is hard enough to maneuver in with all that shit on the screen:

[spoiler-box]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us0YsdWrX9o[/spoiler-box]

KazukiQZ
May 30, 2015, 03:20 AM
^
A few thing I notice:

-You didn't JA the Fomelgion.

-Fire tech isn't the best with Slave Rod, due to how its potential work and how Fire tech eats alot of PP. Better use Bert Rodan with maxed Fire element + Level 3 potential. Or some people suggest that Magatsu 12* rod, but it's a 12* =w=

-Now I understand why you need lots of HP. You play Force like a melee class xD

Dephinix
May 30, 2015, 04:10 AM
I did more with my Gifoies with a Pot 1 Bert Rodan, 85 t atk.
Only 3 mins in, when those darkers show up, with ALL of that HP, you're not aggressive at all.
Gu Wonda/dos always spawn with their shield smack attack, don't run into that. Your numbers don't justify getting whacked as often as you do. Getting hit more than 3 times as a Force in Ulr is pretty bad due to Mirage Escape. Don't feel like you're doing less DPS for using a Mirage Escape here and there, but if you can tps Foie over those mobs(really, they line up for you, unless someone is full tard in ULT, which at that point just leave).

I see constant 5.5k Gifoies when other Forces are hitting at least 7k, even me with my crap 70-75 t atk units at that time. As for your Slave Rod question in Accomplishments thread, I hope this pulls up the curtain. As for all your posts about ressing people... you have 2.5 times the HP the normal Force has... with as many mistakes you make, and all that HP buffer, of course you're fine, but of course you're going to res more. Honestly, at that point, why aren't you playing techer?

Folmegion or whatever was super weak for being used on fire weak enemies. I don't want to speculate this late on a Friday night. I'm not trying to be a jerk either, but if you want to
maximize or not be a pain in XH/Ult, this is how it is.

Why is there so much damage variance, holy fuck. Is extend with Silva not possible? 3900 to 7k, whoa. Whoa. I have to stop at 10 min, I don't feel I'll see more than that. There's
honestly not a huge amount to judge with a fire force. I can't even remember if you died, because if you did with that much HP on a force, well, I got nothing. Not dying is cool, but with that low of damage, something else is amiss.

LonelyGaruga
May 30, 2015, 04:12 AM
OK, well, time to swallow my own pill. here's a gameplay of myself in Ult Lilipa with a random MPA. Not my best Ult Lilipa performance, I gt tossed around a few times, but I didn't die. To my defense, Block 15 was lagging as hell and Ult is hard enough to maneuver in with all that shit on the screen:

[spoiler-box]
Ultimate Lilipa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us0YsdWrX9o)[/spoiler-box]

You're hitting 3.8K ticks with Gifoie...How do you live with that? I hit 8K ticks using jet boots (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AD%E3%83%89%E3%82%B0%E3% 83%A9%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88). And why do you keep skipping JA after every dodge? That just lowers your already low damage output even further.

And good lord, far too many buffs. Stick with boss down periods or after wiping out spawns, please. You're slowing the run down even further by spending more time buffing than attacking with some spawn groups. Just lay a Shifta down when you spawn, Shifta as enemies spawn (optionally), and then Shifta after the spawn group is cleared. A Techer with Deband Toughness and/or Cut can cover Deband, which isn't important anyway.

And do pay more attention when you're fighting. You just aimlessly used techs most of the time. I didn't see any purpose or thought to what you were doing anywhere, which is why you get hit so often. It isn't even your playstyle, you just don't know what you should be doing. For example, I saw that you made a minimal effort to chase down Banthers when using Gifoie. You just used Gifoie in their general area, which whiffs hits, makes it harder to break parts, burn, or hit the head, and confirms that you're autopiloting instead of actively thinking about what you're doing and what you should be doing. You also don't do much in the way of camera work, which would let you keep a clear view of everything around you. This is especially important when only one mecha Banther is on screen. Adjust your camera like you have OCD about it and you'll be able to dodge a lot more stuff, which in turn leads to needing HP less.

Essentially, pay more attention to your surroundings and what you're doing. Don't autopilot. That's why you get hit so much, it isn't your playstyle, it's just that you aren't paying attention.

@Dephinix: The reason for the fluctuating numbers is Attack Boost PSE.

KazukiQZ
May 30, 2015, 04:13 AM
@Dephinix
13* aren't craftable though.

Bellion
May 30, 2015, 10:34 AM
Where's the zondeel at? It's arguably the most game breaking tech.
Those 3k numbers are actually hitting infection points, which have no weakness in ultimate quests.

the_importer_
May 30, 2015, 11:17 AM
Ouch, though room :(

I'll answer some common remarks first:

1- I'll start off by repeating what I said before, Block 15 was laggy as hell, I couldn't JA for my live with that delay. Those jaggy cuts you saw in the video weren't really because of video processing -_-

Seeing my trees, do you guys really think that I would have wasted 10 SP on JA if I didn't know how to use it? I would have place it in Photon Flare Advance or something.

2- I have never argued that a weapon who's potential is increasing an element in particular (fire in this scenario) wouldn't do more damage when it comes to elemental weaknesses, I don't have LonelyGaruga's knowledge for these things, but I can do basic math. That being said, I don't have the cash or the patience to grind six 10~11* weapons 40 times, hence why I go with a weapon that can do decent damage in all scenarios.

My Slave Rod is technically the 4th weapon which I fully grinded and unlocked it's full potential in like 14 months of gameplay. Do I want it to have 60 Attributes on it, of course I do. SEGA really didn't think headed when creating 12~13* weapons. One of the reason why attribute has not been a problem before was because we could buy weapons from other players and max them out at 50. Now I'll have to work my ass off getting enough crystals to make my Slave Rod 35 (15 + 15 + Attribute Enhance +5).

3- You guys are not the first to comment on my melee style gameplay or told me that I should go Techer instead :(

Every time someone mentions that, I get 2nd thoughts about my Force class, which really sucks because I've been a Force since PSO V1 and that I don't know the first thing about how to play as a Techer.

@KazukiQZ
I have an Evil Nochiuhau, but it only has 25 Light Attribute (10 + 10 + Attribute Enhance +5 + Light). After I did my video on getting my Slave Rod, I compared both weapon in SH on the same enemies, my Slave did more damage, hence why I stored my Evil Nochiuhau. That being said, once I get 100 Shiva Ash Pyroxene, that will get me another Evil Nochiuhau, adding this new one with another Attribute Enhance +5 should get me 40, which should surpass my Slave Rod in terms of damage (in theory).

I didn't know you could JA Combined techniques, damn, the wasted kills. So I use a regular Tech first and then active the Combined Tech in a JA style?

@Dephinix
Ya, that Darker part was really embarrassing. I normally approach them with Ragrants until I'm close enough to surround them with Nagrants, hurting them and preventing them from attacking. Didn't really turned out well this time. Pretty sure it was Murphy's law had something to do with it since I was recording.

The lack of JA (as mentionned by KazukiQZ) and fireboost on my weapon would explain Fomelgion's damage level.

As for damage variance, beats me, like KazukiQZ said, you can't craft a 13* (or a 12* for that matter). I did some tests earlier that evening with my Slave Rod to do some math regarding elemental weakness. It probably took me 5 minutes of kills in Seabed to finally see my average damage, most of the time, it was either the lowest damage or the higher damage. I've never seen this on an un-crafted weapon. Is there something about Slave Weapons or 13* Weapons in general that I don't know or is this just my shitty luck fucking with me again?

As for dying, no I didn't, came pretty close because of that god damn lag however. When I die in Ult, it's usually because of 4 reasons:

1- I was reviving someone and some mech that fires missiles bombarded me while I was defenseless
2- I was using Fomelgion and got hit repeatedly during the process (why we can't be invincible like when doing Zandion beats the hell out of me)
3- Get stuck under the Anga's or Anga's Bits Purple stuff for too long
4- When Anga goes Wolverine and get it's claws out, if I don't get the hell out of there, I'm dead

@LonelyGaruga

Boy you've probably checked this topic everyday since I created it hoping that I would post a video :p

For Buffs, I'm surprise to hear that from you. With all of your skills with numbers, you should know that 1 player boosting 11 others will give out better results than 12 un-boosted players. Also, 4 or 5 rounds of S&D gives a boost time of 3 minutes, better to do it once in a while than to do it often.

For paying attention, maybe it's because I posted this late, but you're the one who's not paying attention. For one, GiFoie covers a lot of ground, so I don't have to worry about hitting something, I will. Second, and I'm really surprised that you haven't noticed that one since we like fought 4 of them, I don't go for the bosses. The bosses are not dangerous and are not the problem, the mobs of mechs with those bosses are. I take care of the mobs so that other players can hit the bosses. The only time I'll concentrate on the boss is when there's no more or very little mechs left or when I execute Fomelgion.

Ultimate quests are really the only times that I play like this, I normally play with more strategy than this in everything else. Ultimate is pure chaos, don't think, just attack.

For Attack Boost PSE, that wouldn't explain the tests I did earlier and how I rarely got my average damage. Why do I get the feeling that Slave Weapons may act like Blue and Red Weapons and SEGA didn't tell us about that?

LonelyGaruga
May 30, 2015, 12:08 PM
Ultimate is pure chaos, don't think, just attack.

If that's your attitude about it, then I have nothing else to say about your gameplay. You evidently have no interest in improving as a player.

Ginganator12
May 30, 2015, 01:06 PM
If that's your attitude about it, then I have nothing else to say about your gameplay. You evidently have no interest in improving as a player.

You're more than likely not any better yourself :)

Z-0
May 30, 2015, 01:25 PM
Ultimate is gathering enemies in one spot, Zondeeling them and KO'ing them with strong attacks. It's the best and fastest way to play Ultimate overall. Even with a bunch of people with only 500 HP and dying a lot, you will have much smoother runs than parties which don't Zondeel and never die because that tech broken as hell and makes everything 10x faster.

In fact, that's the entire game apart from stuff like TAs.

Miles064
May 30, 2015, 01:30 PM
Ultimate is gathering enemies in one spot, Zondeeling them and KO'ing them with strong attacks. It's the best and fastest way to play Ultimate overall. Even with a bunch of people with only 500 HP and dying a lot, you will have much smoother runs than parties which don't Zondeel and never die because that tech broken as hell and makes everything 10x faster.

In fact, that's the entire game apart from stuff like TAs.

It's great when everyone around you gets killed only for you to stand up like nothing happened. Sucks this game is mostly a dps race. I feel like they should make a slow, high damage, high surviving tank of some sort. Uses axes or something.

nguuuquaaa
May 30, 2015, 01:40 PM
It's great when everyone around you gets killed only for you to stand up like nothing happened. Sucks this game is mostly a dps race. I feel like they should make a slow, high damage, high surviving tank of some sort. Uses axes or something.

TE/HU :wacko:

Miles064
May 30, 2015, 01:42 PM
TE/HU :wacko:

Too bad TE is mind numbing to me. I just want axes mostly. Segac plz.

Poyonche
May 30, 2015, 02:08 PM
Here is your axe :wacko:

[SPOILER-BOX]http://pso2.cirnopedia.info/icons_large/weapons/wand/wand_094.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

Edit : Nvm image is broken, it is the Axe-Wand like that you can get by trading Magatsu's stones and the 9* axe-wand.

Xaelouse
May 30, 2015, 02:31 PM
Sword has largely replaced Axe.

HU is the slow high-damaging, high survivor. However people largely overdo it by tacking on elder pain/chainsawd or some shit instead of having a damage potential.

Miles064
May 30, 2015, 02:38 PM
Sword has largely replaced Axe.

HU is the slow high-damaging, high survivor. However people largely overdo it by tacking on elder pain/chainsawd or some shit instead of having a damage potential.

Oh I know. HU is my favorite class right next to FO. Just seems kind of dumb to have guard stance when all the good tank talents can be used in fury stance anyway. I would love to have a sword with vamp blade though.

FireswordRus
May 30, 2015, 07:36 PM
testing dual stance on vardha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrC-kp_VP_4

KazukiQZ
May 30, 2015, 07:41 PM
@the_importer

You can JA Fomelgion (or Zandeon too) in several ways:

1. normal attack-> Fomelgion
2. normal Tech (such as Foie, Rafoie, etc)-> Fomelgion
3. Talis Zondeel -> Fomelgion
4. Zanverse -> Fomelgion (for extra damage tick)
5. Megiverse -> FOmelgion (for super heal, very useful in UQ)

No. 4 and 5. is harder to apply on Zandeon due to it moving around, but 1-3 should be the same.


As for Techer stuff, visit the Techer thread under the Gameplay/Walkthrough, it can be a good start point to learn how to TE. Since that's how I start playing TE xD

the_importer_
May 30, 2015, 07:45 PM
@the_importer

You can JA Fomelgion (or Zandeon too) in several ways:

1. normal attack-> Fomelgion
2. normal Tech (such as Foie, Rafoie, etc)-> Fomelgion
3. Talis Zondeel -> Fomelgion
4. Zanverse -> Fomelgion (for extra damage tick)
5. Megiverse -> FOmelgion (for super heal, very useful in UQ)

No. 4 and 5. is harder to apply on Zandeon due to it moving around, but 1-3 should be the same.

Ya I tried Normal & JA Fomelgion a few hours ago on the Rare Forest Banthers during AQ, took out the female pretty quickly. Thanks for the info, happy to have gotten one positive out of my post :)

As for Techer, maybe I'll take a look. I have a spare tree for both Force and Techer and if I need to change everything, I still have 1 tree skill reset ticket.

Selphea
May 30, 2015, 07:45 PM
testing dual stance on vardha
PSO2. AQ Tunnels SH 50 risk. Fi/Hu - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrC-kp_VP_4)

I wonder if that voice has something against Facebook. Why does he yell "ZUCKERBERG!" when he attacks?

FireswordRus
May 30, 2015, 08:10 PM
I wonder if that voice has something against Facebook. Why does he yell "ZUCKERBERG!" when he attacks?

I am hear it like "Zakugun" or "Zakugan"

Selphea
May 30, 2015, 08:16 PM
As for Techer, maybe I'll take a look. I have a spare tree for both Force and Techer and if I need to change everything, I still have 1 tree skill reset ticket.

Techer main might make a bit more sense in your context, considering your rod isn't 50%, which means it loses less from not having Element Conversion. Also Deband Toughness can free up some affixes to be directed away from HP - towards TATK or PP perhaps.

Not that I'd run a Te/Fo but considering the amount of buffs you throw out and the amount of tankiness you go for, might as well.

KazukiQZ
May 30, 2015, 08:29 PM
^Not to mention TE's need to cast only 1 full charge of Shift/Deband for the full 3 minutes with Long-Time Assist. And who doesn't love TE mainclass' Shifta Strike/Deband Toughness? =w=

FireswordRus
May 30, 2015, 08:31 PM
Techer main might make a bit more sense in your context, considering your rod isn't 50%, which means it loses less from not having Element Conversion. Also Deband Toughness can free up some affixes to be directed away from HP - towards TATK or PP perhaps.

Not that I'd run a Te/Fo but considering the amount of buffs you throw out, might as well.

Also TE main give 110% damage to MPA , it is more better then FO with Element Conversion, a lot HP and critical strike, i am dont say about 50% zanverse, it is totaly +550% damage.
But it is kinda different playstyle, Te main dont do damage directly, and it is not only shifta/deband.
If he are dont have good stuff for FO, and he are have 2nd free tree in the TE, he are can try Te as main.

the_importer_
May 30, 2015, 09:26 PM
^Not to mention TE's need to cast only 1 full charge of Shift/Deband for the full 3 minutes with Long-Time Assist. And who doesn't love TE mainclass' Shifta Strike/Deband Toughness? =w=

Ya, I've been eyeing that 1 point Skill every time I'm managing my trees.

Problem remains that I need a weapon. Rods won't cut it for Wand Gear, so what to choose? Now I'm not gonna bother with 12 or 13* Wand just yet. So what 11* Wand would you guys recommend and why?

EDIT: Also, what you make of these trees: http://tinyurl.com/q335owy

EDIT 2: I'll also make a few things clear:

1- If I'm switching to Techer, it's to do some melee, no point in playing as a Te/Fo if I'll just keep playing the way I have been all along
2- I'm not dumping my Force class, it will remain as my subclass
3- My rule about weapons stand, only 1, not gonna manage 6 weapons
4- For trees, keep in mind that we're getting 2 or 3 SP in about 2 weeks and that we're well overdue for a level cap (it's been over 6 months). So let's try to see this with an extra 7 or 8 points in the very near future.

Selphea
May 30, 2015, 09:58 PM
A Te/Fo plays like a tanky Force with super buffs but lower damage. Evil Nochiuhau is fine.

If you want to actually smack things with a wand, you'll need a rainbow set and a subclass that boosts Striking damage like Hunter, Fighter or Braver.

@ Skill tree, get Shifta Strike to offset the loss of Element Conversion. Also 1pt Rare Mastery. Don't worry about the Wand stuff unless you're building a melee build.

While you're at it, get some other one point wonders like 1pt Deband Cut, Wide Support, Territory PP Save. Can steal the points from PP Convert.

Also, personal preference but I'd redirect 10 points in Photon Flare to Technique Up 2. With Drink + Shifta with Shifta Advance, 75 base TATK = 107 TATK all the time, vs 200 TATK less than half the time.

So something like this (http://pso2-skill.pwnedgalaxy.net/skillcalc.php?10rAbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxIm 0jdodBIb000000000doIn0000000jdoib0000000fdo0000000 IojHn2SGBeK8cKIx00000fdBdAfcDrBqoGFdBIgIkGAcAin000 007bIo0000000jdoIb0000000j).

LonelyGaruga
May 30, 2015, 10:59 PM
Te/Fo plays exactly like Force does, except with Shifta Strike. That's the best way to play it, at any rate.

As far as the build goes, max Talis Tech Bonus. Dump some SP from Photon Flare and the Charge Escape skills (those are Force main only). PP Convert should be maxed to sustain fire and Ragrants spam that much more effectively. Maxing T-ATK Up 2 in favor of maxing PP Convert is a waste. The Deband stuff shouldn't be touched unless you're a Te/Hu, but I guess that's "playstyle" or "preference", so whatever. Te/Fo is still basically a Force, so trying to pretend you have some sort of bulk is pointless with it. Te/Fo has such low base HP that Deband Toughness only adds about 130 HP, assuming no HP affixes (and you should minimally invest in those as a Force in the first place).

And if you ever touch wands, you want Wand Gear and 1 SP in Wand Lovers to use Step. That's one of their biggest advantages for tech usage. Basically, more like this (http://pso2-skill.pwnedgalaxy.net/skillcalc.php?10rDbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxIm jda8dodBIb000000000doIn0000000jdoib0000000fdo00000 00IoI2fHn2SGAdX8cKIk00000fdBdAfcDIbGAGSdBIxIkGAcAi n000007bIo0000000jdoIb0000000j) instead.

Sizustar
May 31, 2015, 08:42 PM
FPS mode on Ruin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWERVXPIb5Q"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWERVXPIb5Q

KazukiQZ
May 31, 2015, 10:08 PM
Te/Fo plays exactly like Force does, except with Shifta Strike. That's the best way to play it, at any rate.

As far as the build goes, max Talis Tech Bonus. Dump some SP from Photon Flare and the Charge Escape skills (those are Force main only). PP Convert should be maxed to sustain fire and Ragrants spam that much more effectively. Maxing T-ATK Up 2 in favor of maxing PP Convert is a waste. The Deband stuff shouldn't be touched unless you're a Te/Hu, but I guess that's "playstyle" or "preference", so whatever. Te/Fo is still basically a Force, so trying to pretend you have some sort of bulk is pointless with it. Te/Fo has such low base HP that Deband Toughness only adds about 130 HP, assuming no HP affixes (and you should minimally invest in those as a Force in the first place).

And if you ever touch wands, you want Wand Gear and 1 SP in Wand Lovers to use Step. That's one of their biggest advantages for tech usage. Basically, more like this (http://pso2-skill.pwnedgalaxy.net/skillcalc.php?10rDbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxImbxIm jda8dodBIb000000000doIn0000000jdoib0000000fdo00000 00IoI2fHn2SGAdX8cKIk00000fdBdAfcDIbGAGSdBIxIkGAcAi n000007bIo0000000jdoIb0000000j) instead.
He's anti-Talis though.

Sizustar
May 31, 2015, 10:11 PM
He's anti-Talis though.

But that's one of the bigger damage gain if planning to play as a spell throwing Te/Fo.

LonelyGaruga
May 31, 2015, 10:21 PM
He's anti-Talis though.

And he should get over it. And a lot of other things like only using one weapon as a Force. Not going to give advice geared for bad play.

Perfect Chaos
May 31, 2015, 11:26 PM
He's already completely content at using his 15-element Slave Sage for all purposes without even trying to increase its element further, so I dont think any amount of advice to do otherwise would work.

Charmeleon
Jun 3, 2015, 12:24 AM
Challenge mode:

[spoiler-box]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E16PX0RBhm8[/spoiler-box]

Naoya Kiriyama
Jun 3, 2015, 04:08 AM
Wow rappy, that recording quality really sucks. If you record with the phone it will have better quality than that. And I thought my quality was ass.

Haven't seen entire vid though and I'm only in the mid of it. I've noticed that you don't have Inanna's announcements disabled (I have it, she's really intrusive after a lot of runs) and you don't use the extended map, preventing you getting some hard to see drops.

Overall wow, dat speed

Charmeleon
Jun 3, 2015, 09:16 AM
I got carried :-)

Quality sucks because I didn't want to spend an eternity uploading it, so I recorded it in half size then compressed it to 20% of its original file size. And it still took 3 hours to upload.

I do need to use the map/radar more, I'm just lazy to because I don't have m or n bound on my gamepad. Will turn off the announcements later.

I die to a lot of random things and I suck at using DBs.

Shunx
Jun 3, 2015, 02:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXh65dQzO48

The bird doesn't want to give me his Dual Blades already.

I'll just throw this here and question what I do.

gone4
Jun 3, 2015, 03:42 PM
Challenge mode:

[spoiler-box]]I suck[/spoiler-box]

Some ideas you can try:
M3 against cougar especially and in general when using wand, foie step cancel is quite useful to get away and get hits in quicker.

M5 it might be better spam gekka with no JA too for those weakpoints that you can't hit all the time, then charge pp when you can't hit (best example is cater/mizer).

Also when fighting cater, standing near the rear usually makes it walk forward and slam tail, standing near the front makes it walk back and lunge head. So you can try to manipulate where it goes, and stop it from going into the lava. The roll it does seems a little random, but seems to happen most when you're in the middle on its side.

Video of 5th Yarikomi pug clear I happened to record as a test, quite laggy though especially when everyone gangs up on one enemy. :(

[spoiler-box]Can't link... lol

watch?v=ryXLnzyRpVU[/spoiler-box]

Selphea
Jun 3, 2015, 05:14 PM
[PSO2]Random MPA against XH Luther(Bo/Hu) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXh65dQzO48)

The bird doesn't want to give me his Dual Blades already.

I'll just throw this here and question what I do.

Try Starling Fall during time stop, should dodge both completely. Also use Immortal Dove when Heavenly Kite takes you too high. Damage is quite legit. And why no Megiverse?

Charmeleon
Jun 3, 2015, 06:20 PM
Some ideas you can try:
M3 against cougar especially and in general when using wand, foie step cancel is quite useful to get away and get hits in quicker.

M5 it might be better spam gekka with no JA too for those weakpoints that you can't hit all the time, then charge pp when you can't hit (best example is cater/mizer).

Also when fighting cater, standing near the rear usually makes it walk forward and slam tail, standing near the front makes it walk back and lunge head. So you can try to manipulate where it goes, and stop it from going into the lava. The roll it does seems a little random, but seems to happen most when you're in the middle on its side.

Video of 5th Yarikomi pug clear I happened to record as a test, quite laggy though especially when everyone gangs up on one enemy. :(

[spoiler-box]Can't link... lol

watch?v=ryXLnzyRpVU[/spoiler-box]

Appreciate the tips :-)

Your own CM gameplay is quite impressive, and much more clean than mine.

Shunx
Jun 3, 2015, 06:56 PM
Try Starling Fall during time stop, should dodge both completely. Also use Immortal Dove when Heavenly Kite takes you too high. Damage is quite legit. And why no Megiverse?

Starling Fall: How would I dodge the time stop with it? Only reason I go up so high is to avoid the swords ; ;

Dove and Kite: He's always to far from where I am, but I will try next time I get a chance

Megiverse: What does it do exactly? I know Zanverse adds wind blows.

Remz69
Jun 3, 2015, 07:18 PM
Megiverse: What does it do exactly?

basically grants life steal to anyone in its AoE, 20% i think i don't really remember

Selphea
Jun 3, 2015, 07:40 PM
Starling Fall: How would I dodge the time stop with it? Only reason I go up so high is to avoid the swords ; ;

You're completely invincible during the animation so he can't time stop/stab/do anything to you even if you're right in the middle of it.


Megiverse: What does it do exactly? I know Zanverse adds wind blows.

Like Remz says, Lifesteal. Use uncharged then JA into Dispersion or normal attack -> shift.

supersai8
Jun 4, 2015, 11:17 AM
F. Continent SH Double Saber Run (www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFThmMooduQ)

Made couple mistakes here and there unfortunately.

ShinMaruku
Jun 4, 2015, 12:15 PM
I think this worm take is better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atxKv-v374Y

Later I will show my draggy take with dual blades.

FireswordRus
Jun 8, 2015, 01:21 PM
F. Continent SH Double Saber Run (www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFThmMooduQ)

Made couple mistakes here and there unfortunately.

Video quality not good(
after Huricane Sender try surprise dunk then chaos riser or rumling moon or illusion rave on XH.
even i am use TD for support, try use TD with symphonic drive on dragon nose(horn, helm)

Note: This is only my opinion, but if u have keybord with macross, try assign numlock 1-6 to R-F-C-T-G-V and use weapon switching for change PA, better use for it specific mouse like razer naga. If u can do it - u can combine any PA based on situation.

FireswordRus
Jun 8, 2015, 01:28 PM
Nothin epic, just Daily Orders and Thundra SH....maybe music are fine)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwgq1eNzbPc