Read if you're a fi/bo such LOL.

[Natural_585]

This guy who private messaged me on PSO2 claimed that break stance is better than elemental stance as a fi/bo. Break stance is better on bo/hu because of d stance bonus you get damage even when parts are broken but with fi/bo with break stance once you break parts rip dmg. You no longer get that break stance bonus dmg as fi/bo since there is no d bonus. However you always do damage with elemental stance as long as your weapon matches the elemental weakness of the enemy. Elemental stance is more of a general use stance if you have rainbow weapons.

Fi/bo builds are typically better with elemental stance because fi/bo is more of a craft build unless you have the 12* hyakka right. I mean on the bo tree you get an additional 10% dmg on your crafted weapon if you have that skill. So if it has 1000 atk you get 100 more.

This guy claims that bio is better than granfol and i said listen are you a retard? 95% crit build at 13% + 100 s atk+ from that skill or so on granfol vs bios 8% and less at +10 atk.. This guy is delusional because this is not true lol. I think any fi/bo person can back me up on this claim. Of course there are dbs better than granfol now but I'm just saying this is what this guy said lol. Crafted Granfols and any weapon with fighter is expensive but its worth it. I just thought it was funny this guy said that bio's were better.

I laughed at this guy and ended the conversation right there. This was a team leader too, he doesn't even have a fi/bo to begin with he has a bo/hu and tried to make this argument. Bo/hu and Fi/bo are much different from each other in terms of trees.

[Xaeris]

Chilling parable, sibling.

[Maenara]

I used to think Break Stance was good because I thought it continued working on a break point after you broke it(E.G. broken Ragne's leg), but as it turns out, this is not the case 99.99% of the time. The only exceptions in the game, I believe, are Dark Falz Loser's arms and Vol Dragon's tail.

[Kondibon]

http://i.imgur.com/W8zBp5u.png

[Natural_585]

This guy can think what he wants but I thought it was ridiculous to message me out of nowhere like this and try to steal one of my teammates. Some of my beginner members even have better affixes than this guy and he's a team leader of a somewhat big team.. That's saying a lot lol

[Natural_585]

According to the teammate he was trying to steal from me he said that wise stance was better..............
(Note that It's only good for elder) LOLOL im done this game is too much.

[Kondibon]

I thought it was ridiculous to message me out of nowhere And I thought it was ridiculous to make a new multi paragraph thread about something that could have been a single sentence in the Bo thread (and doesn't even add much meaningful conversation). It's like you're TRYING to start a circle jerk.
Let's just say, I'm not exactly looking forward to "Read if you're a Fo/Te".

[Flaoc]

Chilling parable, sibling.

this.

[Noblewine]

Cool story bro! (' -')b

[Natural_585]

I guess I just wanted to see if anybody else agreed with this guy lol.

[GHNeko]

I dont think anyone else does really.

[milranduil]

I guess I just wanted to see if anybody else agreed with this guy lol.

It's psow, so probably yes. Why do you care? It's like making a thread over x + 2 = 4 and seeing how many people get x = 6 instead of x = -2 then raging about it. Get over it.

[ZynischQ]

Did I go to tumblr instead of psow by mistake or something?

[milranduil]

an amusing post #1 friend. kudos

[Natural_585]

Did I go to tumblr instead of psow by mistake or something?

I think you meant tweeter sir ^

[AlphaBlob]

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Dramatic_8d9f50_1569326.gif

Drama llama

[Selphea]

Actually I thought I went to Viralnova and saw this right next to "You Won't Believe What This Force Has To Say" and "Ten Things Japanese Time Attackers Will Never Tell You"

[Kondibon]

Actually I thought I went to Viralnova and saw this right next to "You Won't Believe What This Force Has To Say" and "Ten Things Japanese Time Attackers Will Never Tell You""Beat Magatsu With This One Weird Trick"

[Xaeris]

"Beat Magatsu With This One Weird Trick"

AISes Don't Want You To Know About It!

[Macmaxi]

I'm not a fi/bo and i still read it. Can't say i learned a lot from all this. I remember wanting to use Granfol for a Ryuuko Cosplay but realized i don't have a female character, so i scrapped the idea.

[Natural_585]

It's psow, so probably yes. Why do you care? It's like making a thread over x + 2 = 4 and seeing how many people get x = 6 instead of x = -2 then raging about it. Get over it.

Also nobody is raging just a silly thing to say. Maybe by off chance i was incorrect about what I said. Never hurts to hear opinions. If someone gave me a good enough explanation with valid points I might reconsider what they say. But I personally don't see how it could be any better.

Some people might say well its good for magatsu, but then bad when all the parts are broken since there is no d bonus on fi/bo (End Magatsu). Which I can see it being somewhat good for that. I would probably get an additional tree for that purpose if anything (but i wont) but even then it might not even be worth it. So that's why I told someone from my team he was pestering to go with elemental stance since fi/bo is a rainbow palette type of class and works for everything and works well with crafted weapons. Yeah you lose 15% on bosses but then again you also lose the stance once the parts are broken. So therefore elemental stance for fi/bo would be so much more worth the trouble you never lose the 30% as long as the element is the enemies weakness.

But to say bio was better than granfol with a fi/bo was kind of over the top (even though there are better dbs than granfol like i said)

[kuromechan]

a bit over blown just cause of one person saying his opinion.
2 words
shyeat happens

[Shunx]

According to the teammate he was trying to steal he said that wise stance was better..............
(Note that It's only good for elder) LOLOL im done this game is too much.

I want to understand this post, but I'm having trouble understanding this post.

[Skyly]

I want to understand this post, but I'm having trouble understanding this post.

steal say? state?
That's just my guess.

I was doing a team mpa magatsu Friday night and a guy was using CT in my party. I had never seen that because I usually run magatsu solo. He managed to get most chains 50+ and some even to max chain. I'm not sure how hard it would be to get high chains on magatsu because of lag and other xfactors so that might be a reason people might not use it. All in all, people will play how they want to play no matter how much you don't like their play style; it's just something you have to accept. Some people could even state it's dumb to play bo/hu over fi/bo etc. People just do what they want in this casual game.

[Natural_585]

I want to understand this post, but I'm having trouble understanding this post.

I fixed what I said in that post should be clear what I said now aha I was basically saying he was trying to steal my teammate and tell him that wise stance and break stance were better to have which I thought was silly considering wise stance is rarely used lol.. And break stance I already said what I thought of it in my opinion for fi/bo in the posts above.

[AsuravonD]

Opinions will always differ, however making a thread about it doesnt make you any better. This is being blown out of proportion when it shouldnt even have an effect on you. Yeah, sure you dont like the guy/gal but bashing him/her in public is just as pathetic. I suggest dropping it, from one team leader to another.

[Z-0]

Well let's be honest, the guy Natural is talking about has... wrong "opinions", but Natural's response by making a thread was a bit unnecessary.

A bit being the understatement of the year.

[Xaelouse]

Break Stance is good: when it works.

The problem is that it's not working most of the time, and even goes against itself when parts break. Which is a shame: RA has the WB skill whenever they can't fully access a weak point, why not this stance for breakables? It's not impossible to program. The last thing the skill needs is some damage modifier even weaker than elemental stance to cover up not hitting breakables. But this is Sega's game, so

[GHNeko]

Break Stance is good: when it works.

The problem is that it's not working most of the time, and even goes against itself when parts break.

???

Doesnt Break Stance work on parts that are persistant and broken, like Ragne legs?

[Xaelouse]

The key thing to know if break stance will work is when the part is breakable, the target still exists, and the boss can still flinch from the target part being hit enough.

So it probably doesnt work on Ragne legs after its broken, I wouldn't know because you wouldn't target his broken leg long enough anyway once his neck and weakpoint is in your face. Such a good skill

[LonelyGaruga]

Break Stance is good: when it works.

The problem is that it's not working most of the time, and even goes against itself when parts break. Which is a shame: RA has the WB skill whenever they can't fully access a weak point, why not this stance for breakables? It's not impossible to program. The last thing the skill needs is some damage modifier even weaker than elemental stance to cover up not hitting breakables. But this is Sega's game, so

Break Stance isn't even good against most stuff it works on considering that most boss weak points aren't even breakables (never mind repeat breakables). Vol Dragon, Quartz Dragon, and Dragon Ex will continue to be affected by Break Stance on their heads (or nose for Quartz), and I suppose it's best for Magatsu since the most common strategy seems to be breaking everything now, but those are the only bosses that it's really good for. I guess Dark Falz Elder too, but if you're going for kill speed it's preferable to Weak Bullet the unbreakable arms since they don't break after a few seconds of being attacked. That's a grand total of four-five bosses it's preferable compared to Elemental Stance. And that isn't covering how a good 80%+ of mobs either don't have breakables or are a waste of time to break.

Break Stance isn't even that much better than Elemental Stance when it works. It's a 16% advantage. Wise Stance gets a 25% advantage over Brave Stance, and Weak Stance gets 24% over Average Stance. You pretty much have to use Niren Orochi to make Break Stance worth using.

And making a part a breakable is a completely different mechanic from making a part a weak point. There are characteristics about breakables that you would have to add, such as what threshold of HP would trigger the break. It's much more complex compared to Weak Bullet, which just triggers flags and changes numbers.


???

Doesnt Break Stance work on parts that are persistant and broken, like Ragne legs?

No. Only works if you can break it again. Dragon faces (barring Chrome), Zeshrayda's knees, stuff like that. Those can break until they die, so Break Stance always works on those parts.

[GHNeko]

No. Only works if you can break it again. Dragon faces (barring Chrome), Zeshrayda's knees, stuff like that. Those can break until they die, so Break Stance always works on those parts.

so basically it works on all parts where you can reflinch the boss over and over.

that is pretty garbage without d bonus.

[Natural_585]

Well let's be honest, the guy Natural is talking about has... wrong "opinions", but Natural's response by making a thread was a bit unnecessary.

A bit being the understatement of the year.

Ay man this guy private messaged me out of nowhere and started talking his shit lol and trying to steal a new player who didn't know anything about the game. I can't let the guy steal my teammate when he only has units with 60 s atk as a team leader with a giant team double the size of mine with no motivation to improve his gear. It's somewhat personal considering what he was doing. If he didn't do what he did I wouldn't have posted if he can talk behind my back I will make it publicly known. Although I'm not allowed to say his name on the forum him and his teammates know who he is.

But i wanted to show the guy that his view of break stance on fi/bo was incorrect on this forum. He claimed that elemental stance was also only for fo/bo.. That's why I posted, I'm sure he's looked at it or heard about it from his friends and now feels like a complete derp and if he doesn't he should. Am i trying to show that I'm better than this guy no I'm trying to show that for him to say that I was wrong that he was wrong lol.

If I was ever wrong or there was another method I don't mind knowing so I can fix the problem thats my mentality. This guy shouldn't be a team leader if he doesn't even try to figure out where other people are coming from. I've explained to him why break stance doesn't work for fi/bo several times just this guy didn't understand kept saying that fi has limit break.. So what?, that doesn't take the issue of him losing his break stance when parts are broken lol.. Just cause fi has lb doesn't mean anything. I can use lb and elemental stance and keep my 30% dmg with elemental stance always or do what he said and lose break stance and have lb which is kind of stupid. If he can't take views and use his logic properly I feel sorry for this guy. Not trying to be a dick but really lol.

[Flaoc]

Perpetuating argument, colleague

[Xaeris]

Spoilers: This guy, if he even exists, is more than likely getting a bigger laugh with his teammates over the fact that you made a thread regarding your disagreement than he is broken up over being wrong. Here's a snippet of what their team chat probably looks like.

"he mad?"
"lol he mad"

[Natural_585]

I'll give you a hint Org XIII since you don't think this guy exists. I'm sure he's not a bad guy but just doesn't think things over, well maybe he is who knows.

[AlphaBlob]

Or maybe he was trolling you and this thread is pointless...

[Natural_585]

He definitely wasn't trolling me, he was dead serious lol. And why would he try to take someone from me and tell them break stance was better for fi/bo just because it was a troll? Come on now lol

[Dephinix]

I wouldn't associate with them at all, honestly. I don't speak with them anymore for good reason, they do this stuff all the time. So it's a good time to move on.

[Natural_585]

I wouldn't associate with them at all, honestly. I don't speak with them anymore for good reason, they do this stuff all the time. So it's a good time to move on.

Word, that guy was annoying me so I blacklisted him lol.

[TaigaUC]

There's always going to be weirdos who believe something for the most illogical reasons.
I've seen a lot of EN players in the lobbies saying nonsense equivalent to 1 + 1 = 53812.
Then they get super butthurt when anybody tries to give them a reasonable explanation.
And there are people who make up shit for the explicit purpose of arguing.
They probably get a kick from seeing if their lies become a rumor spread by enough people.

So yeah, if they seem like a waste of time, they probably are.

[supersai8]

Hearing this kind of misinformation makes me fear the day when I see RAs use Sat Can on a SH/XH Predicahda.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

So why did this go on for 5 pages?

[Flaoc]

Hearing this kind of misinformation makes me fear the day when I see RAs use Sat Can on a SH/XH Predicahda.

i saw a dude during valentines with ares rifle using sat cannon on dinians and baridrans

DO I REALLY NEED TO EXPLAIN HOW WRONG THIS IS



So why did this go on for 5 pages?

50 posts per page master race?

[Selphea]

What next, people using Kanran on Maggy?

[Sayara]

Can we agree to this thread being finished. Because i got a cake in the oven and i really don't want it to burn and...