RadeonPro AA questions

[Spectal]

So currently I'm using RadeonPro SMAA to remove the jaggies. I have 1 question here. If I used the SMAA option (ticked the box), do I have to tick Anti-aliasing,Anti-aliasing filer, Anti-aliasing mode as well? My in game anti-aliasing is disabled. I also want to ask that, is setting texture LOD to -1 will improve my graphics alot?

[sol_trigger]

pso2 = FXAA you can use both SMAA and FXAA
LOD doesnt matter much in PSO2

[Psycl0ne]

So currently I'm using RadeonPro SMAA to remove the jaggies. I have 1 question here. If I used the SMAA option (ticked the box), do I have to tick Anti-aliasing,Anti-aliasing filer, Anti-aliasing mode as well? My in game anti-aliasing is disabled. I also want to ask that, is setting texture LOD to -1 will improve my graphics alot?

No, you don't need to tick the other AA boxes, just SMAA if that's all you really want.. select between low-ultra or custom settings, you can also check if it's running in game by setting the hotkey for the OSD (on screen display) in settings>advanced, once you set the hotkey click save.

edit: About LOD, it's suppose to make textures sharper but I haven't noticed much of a difference, I just use Anisotropic Filtering 16x to make the textures more consistent at greater distances.

[Asuka~]

I'm still having issues for some reason as I can still see the jagged lines. :( Just a note: I have turned the in-game AA off and made sure other things like Bloom was off as well in-game since I'm using SweetFX for that.

Below is a screenshot of how things look in the lobby with SMAA on Ultra, Anistropic Filtering @16x And HBAO on High: [SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/dbKsjDz.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

Here are my RadeonPro settings:
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/ZvPTZbp.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Psycl0ne]

I'm still having issues for some reason as I can still see the jagged lines. :( Just a note: I have turned the in-game AA off and made sure other things like Bloom was off as well in-game since I'm using SweetFX for that.

Below is a screenshot of how things look in the lobby with SMAA on Ultra, Anistropic Filtering @16x And HBAO on High: [SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/dbKsjDz.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

Here are my RadeonPro settings:
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/ZvPTZbp.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

That area of the lobby is the worst when it comes to jagged lines so don't worry too much about it, it looks worse because you disabled the in-game AA, I would keep it enabled, you can also try enabling Anti Aliasing Filter right under SMAA and leave it at Multisampling [Box] to see if it makes a difference for you..

[Asuka~]

I'm starting to wonder if it's because of my 1600x900 resolution... In regards to those jagged lines I guess. But I applied those settings that you said and I'm quite happy with it. Thank you. Also, here's how it looks like now:
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/0ANx2Nl.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

Edit: But for some reason, it doesn't appear to be working with OBS... It looks like I'm not using anything at all: [SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/k7zPGOA.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Psycl0ne]

I never used OBS so I can't help you there.. I know that if you try recording with different programs they won't detect the SweetFX, that's why I just record with RadeonPro. I'm guessing OBS just can't capture the sweetfx but it should be good with the other settings in RadeonPro.

[Asuka~]

Oooh alrighty. Thanks anyway. ^^

[Cyber Meteor]

Well SMAA seems to barely have any effect on me, well i know the lobby isn't the best but still you can notice that FXAA is the one acting on and not SMAA

With FXAA and SMAA, both Ultra
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-14-17-53-793_zpsks3cdgxe.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

With FXAA only on Ultra
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-14-17-58-613_zpsms9fouek.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

Without any of them
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-14-18-04-045_zpsfwijqusz.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

Setting used, there is the in-game AA enabled too
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/Radeon%20Settings%202_zps7mv0iypw.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

So in the end i'm using FXAA only.

Also about LOD, i'm using LOD +2, it makes textures consistant at all distance but on the other hand it makes logos, Symbol Arts more blurry (you can see my Team logo not looking good in the above pictures), anyway, here is how it looks with LOD to -1, look at the Astral riser blue lines

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-14-20-23-697_zpsa5wjfvb1.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]
Putting back the FXAA only with LOD at +2
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-14-17-58-613_zpsms9fouek.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

PC specs : Intel Core i5 @ 3.2Ghz x4 (no turbo boost)
RAM : 8 GB
Graphic card : Sapphire Radeon R9 280

@Asuka, i"m pretty sure PSO2 will have better AA effect if you use a Geforce card, you didn't say if it was on an AMD or a Nvidia card but only the screeshots i saw that got no aliasing (or proper AA effect) were with a Nvidia, even in SEGA's trailer there is less aliasing than me and they're using the in-game AA only, also about that resolution, well in PSO2 the higher resolution you'll use, the less aliasing you'll get so it's not your resolution

EDIT : @Spectal well look at my LOD -1 and LOD +2 comparison, but i'll say unless you use a Nvidia card and strong AA settings, having LOD at -1 won't really improve a lot your graphics, but you can go up to -3 in Radeon Pro if you think you can take it lol

[Psycl0ne]

Positive numbers make the textures look worse so it's better at -1 and Anisotropic Filtering at 16x, the only reason I don't like using RadeonPros FXAA is because it makes the game look too blurry so I just use the in-game AA + SMAA, It's a lot harder to tell with SMAA but I do notice a difference in the lobby blue lines at a distance.

edit: I wouldn't worry too much about the lobbies jagged lines, everyone has them and it depends on the angle of the camera they can look good for a second and then bad the next, so you should be fine.

[Asuka~]

Aaaah right. Yeah, I'm using an AMD 6850 right now. I'll be looking to buy a GTX 960 in a few months so I guess that'll help with a few things. _(:3
I was wondering if I should turn up the AA on the driver settings also? The Catalyst center or whatever it's called.

[Cyber Meteor]

It's mostly the AA you use from Nvidia inspector that will make a bigger difference, but as i said SEGA has less aliasing than me and it's been established PSO2 doesn't like AMD graphic card very well.

@Psyclone, positive number makes textures smoother and have a bit less depth but there won't be some unwanted effects (like those diagonals lines in my Astral riser when LOD at -1 or even at 0, they only disappear at +2) and it'll be same quality at all distance, FXAA doesn't make my game blurry at all, it really looks better, and SMAA don't work on textures only on text, as for distances, no differences between ingame AA and SMAA and ingame AA only. Only logos and SA gets blurry with my LOD to +2 but not by much, in the end having LOD at +2 and FXAA only provided the best results.

EDIT : @Asuka, i tested this a lot and don't bother with Catalyst for PSO2 if you use the AA settings of Radeon Pro since it's basically the same, i mean, using Radeon Pro AA (not the FXAA or SMAA, the normal AA i mean) will be treated like the Catalyst AA, so wether you use one or the other it'll have the same effect on the game, using both will be like using one only too (the highest of the two will be used). At least for PSO2, haven't tested with other games

[Asuka~]

Ah I see. :/ I'll stick with RadeonPro then. :)

[Psycl0ne]

I haven't messed with LOD that much in this game, I just leave it off
this is how my game looks in the lobby
[SPOILER-BOX]http://s30.postimg.org/s1liaw67z/pso2_exe_2015_06_02_15_05_28_443.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Asuka~]

Hmm, I can't see the image for some reason. :(

[Psycl0ne]

strange, it works fine for me...
this is the link to the image, it's about 8mb
http://postimg.org/image/sr4an96rh/full/

[Asuka~]

Ah yeah, I see it now. :o
Oh I see the them jagged lobby lines too, them cursed lines. >.>

[Spectal]

So if I wanna enable the in-game AA and radeonpro SMAA+FXAA i have to tick Multisampling (box) in the anti-aliasing filter section?
Edit: I have to disable in-game bloom for sweetfx's bloom to work?

[Psycl0ne]

Ah yeah, I see it now. :o
Oh I see the them jagged lobby lines too, them cursed lines. >.>

yup everyone has them.. so like I have been saying, you shouldn't worry about the lobby, test your AA settings in your room or in a quest.

[Psycl0ne]

This is all that matters to me, no jaggies on my character and clear textures.
[SPOILER-BOX]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3928/15467900422_40f3cd5c40_o.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

@Spectal You don't need to tick that to have SMAA + FXAA work.

[Asuka~]

Wow, yeah I see barely any on your character. And I was doing a few AQs and I was pretty impressed by the impact SweetFX has, let alone RadeonPro AA. :P Either way, I'm happy for now.

[Spectal]

CFAA will not work for nvidia's cards right?

[seilent]

u need RadiT app if u want catalyst to be working with PSO2

[Cyber Meteor]

u need RadiT app if u want catalyst to be working with PSO2

What profile do you choose with RadiT? I'm just trying that, i choose the first (CFAA caps 1) and it doesn't seems to have any effects, i've added a profile for PSO2 in CCC, enabled Super sampling at 12xEQ samples.

EDIT : seems like you need a file called AA_cap.msi for it to work but the only existing link is disabled now. Can someone provide a new link for that file or it's dead?

[seilent]

http://128.199.167.107/upload/AA_CAP.msi

looks like only certain aacap version works with certain ccc version, i forgot what i use actually since i just made backup of my atiumdag.dll file xD

[Cyber Meteor]

Ok, but thank you so much for that file link at least 8-)

[Cyber Meteor]

That RadiT app is just wondeful, i can finally have the same AA quality than Nvidia user :-D, this aliasing is completely gone!!! Ok, i used the CFAA caps 2000F profile to get it to work (the one where it says "Saboteur.exe"), others can make the game crash on startup.

So now onto the real thing, this is how it looks with supersampling 8x (using multisampling (box) filter from Radeon Pro

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-23-13-234_zpsscppcast.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-25-56-249_zpsfi9qb84h.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

I tried higher settings but no differences and it's pretty much like there is no improvement needed tbh, it already looks so good!!!:-P But, my frame rate wasn't that good (around 20-25 fps i would say, not really smooth, almost playable but not enough)

So i choose the supersampling 4xEQ with same filter from Radeon Pro, and the frame rate is definitly good now and the look is still pretty good
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-44-00-921_zpsw2mtsq10.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-45-32-809_zpsnfu7e7w0.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-56-23-603_zps7jlxklpy.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-46-37-897_zpsyvssppcm.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

I will add my resolution is 1920*1080 in windowed mode. In the end the 4xEQ still has a bit of aliasing compared to 8x SSAA and is a bit more "blurry" but definitly not like i used to see before using RadiT. So now i hesitate between keeping 4xEQ at 1920*1080 or going for a lower resolution with 8xSSAA hoping i won't have to go too low, because although the look 4xEQ SSAA is good, the "feel" of 8XSSAA was definitly the best :-P

So, @seilent My biggest thanks for that program and that file link that made it work.

[Asuka~]

That looks beyond amazing... My God. Good job Cyber Meteor. Could you screenshot your settings for it though (for catalyst/RadeonPro)? Since I'm a bit lost... :/

Edit: Found version 0.6 of RadiT and it's working fine. :)

[seilent]

That looks very nice :D
my 4770 would cry if i set that high lol

some links ~
RadiT from v04 - v06
http://128.199.167.107/upload/RadiT/RadiT04.zip
http://128.199.167.107/upload/RadiT/RadiT05.zip
http://128.199.167.107/upload/RadiT/RadiT06.zip

AA_CAP.msi
http://128.199.167.107/upload/AA_CAP.msi

[Asuka~]

Well then, I'm liking this, but needs more blur! Thank you for the links!!! And thanks for AA_CAP!! And thanks again for idk! Thank you to everyone who posted in here!
*clears throat* Here's some screenshots of how mine looks: [SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/zyU1Itt.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/w6dVyg2.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/fIAYO8z.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

I'm not sure why mine isn't as blurry though. :o I'm using the CFAA caps 2000F profile just like Cyber Meteor too... Here's my RadeonPro settings as well as my RadiT settings:[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/nhbAUS7.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/f5J2pwi.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[seilent]

ah try using supersampling below the Anti-Aliasing Mode (drag the slider all the way to right) :D

[Asuka~]

Thank you very much! :) I'll try that tomorrow when I'm home from college and I'll post the results. :D

[Cyber Meteor]

That looks beyond amazing... My God. Good job Cyber Meteor. Could you screenshot your settings for it though (for catalyst/RadeonPro)? Since I'm a bit lost... :/

Well there it is, as i said in my last post i choose to go for 4xEQ instead of 8x because of frame rate, but if you can go to 8x super sampling, you'll get the best outcome though that probably divide frame rate by 2 hence the big difference for me between 4xEQ and 8x.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/Radeon%20Settings%204_zps0xnycq5r.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

I still get some fps drop when there is a tech/explosion/photon blast effect but it stays playable at least, though i haven't tried in UQ, it's said to be the place where fps can't follow the game lol ^^;

[Infinity Series]

That RadiT app is just wondeful, i can finally have the same AA quality than Nvidia user :-D, this aliasing is completely gone!!! Ok, i used the CFAA caps 2000F profile to get it to work (the one where it says "Saboteur.exe"), others can make the game crash on startup.

So now onto the real thing, this is how it looks with supersampling 8x (using multisampling (box) filter from Radeon Pro

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-23-13-234_zpsscppcast.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-25-56-249_zpsfi9qb84h.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

I tried higher settings but no differences and it's pretty much like there is no improvement needed tbh, it already looks so good!!!:-P But, my frame rate wasn't that good (around 20-25 fps i would say, not really smooth, almost playable but not enough)

So i choose the supersampling 4xEQ with same filter from Radeon Pro, and the frame rate is definitly good now and the look is still pretty good
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-44-00-921_zpsw2mtsq10.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-45-32-809_zpsnfu7e7w0.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-56-23-603_zps7jlxklpy.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t650/CyberMeteor/Radeon%20Pro%20tests/pso2.exe_2015-06-02-20-46-37-897_zpsyvssppcm.png~original[/SPOILER-BOX]

I will add my resolution is 1920*1080 in windowed mode. In the end the 4xEQ still has a bit of aliasing compared to 8x SSAA and is a bit more "blurry" but definitly not like i used to see before using RadiT. So now i hesitate between keeping 4xEQ at 1920*1080 or going for a lower resolution with 8xSSAA hoping i won't have to go too low, because although the look 4xEQ SSAA is good, the "feel" of 8XSSAA was definitly the best :-P

So, @seilent My biggest thanks for that program and that file link that made it work.

what gpu you are using?

kinda want to test your setting but i doubt my 270x can handle it

you only use radpro and radit right?

[Asuka~]

Thanks again, Cyber Meteor. And Infinity Series, it seemed to run okay for me with my 6850 at 4x on the top AA slider on RadeonPro. Although, I've overclocked it to 850Mhz on Core Clock and 1200Mhz for Memory Clock. I'll probably record a video or something with RadeonPro and post it on here. Also, I'll post some screenies when I'm home later today. ;w;
Edit: Using an old iPhone is a pain but here's something I took this morning:[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/U2PyJex.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]
Edit 2: I'm just using RadiT and RadeonPro with pretty much the same settings as Cyber Meteor apart from myself using SMAA. I'm also using in-game AA and bloom in addition to the SweetFX settings which can be seen in the Nvidia and AMD AA thread.

[Cyber Meteor]

@Infinity Series I use a AMD R9 280, 8GB RAM, Intel Core i5 4460 @ 4 x 3.2 Ghz. I'm also using the in-game AA but no SMAA just the FXAA.

[Asuka~]

Hmm... I'll mess around with FXAA myself a little later today. Also, are you using the in-game Bloom as well?

[Cyber Meteor]

yes for the bloom, i've only disabled the Blur effect in the in-game settings

[Asuka~]

Aah I see. Yeah I disabled that too. :'D

[Infinity Series]

@cyber : i followed your setting, iam getting 60fps but sometimes dropped to 30-40fps in MPA, i think my 270x cant handle this at 1080p lol, maybe i'll try lowering it to 900p..

but the game look better now

in lobby
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http://i.imgur.com/6jKGmyp.jpg
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in UQ MPA, all these explosions kill my fps :lol:
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http://i.imgur.com/rgoQ1vc.jpg
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[Cyber Meteor]

Well i just tested in UQ mpa, while i haven't the fps count showed i can see it turned out better than expected, it stays playable though i'm mostly under the fps drop effect, but still, no need to change anything on my side, so i'm pretty happy:-D.
@Infinity, well your gpu is pretty close to mine (270x vs 280), so you'll probably be able to get same result than me

[Asuka~]

Oh. :o I'm using a fairly weaker CPU, well the AMD FX-4130 but overclocked to 4.2GHz and 8GB RAM. My FPS will most probably be worse but I'll have a look at how things are with 8x with SMAA I guess.

Edit: I'm just using OBS to record now and here's a quick video of Bal Rodos... It doesn't seem too bad, I think. I play on 1600x900 so I set OBS to record at that resolution too and it seemed smooth: [SPOILER-BOX]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8QXCmA2eGo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8QXCmA2eGo[/SPOILER-BOX]

Edit 2: I'll upload a video of an Ultimate Lillipa run shortly. :)

[Spectal]

May i know what's the best setting (maximum quality) for SMAA in radeonpro?

[Asuka~]

@Spectal, I believe you can just tick the box on SMAA and choose Ultra under quality for the maximum amount of AA from that. And there's the Anti-Aliasing box on the top that should be ticked and the "Override application settings" Mode should be selected with either 4x or 8x samples. Here's a picture to show you what I mean:
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/7fe2ohn.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

And there's also the Anti-Aliasing Mode which basically is 3 things. Adaptive (mixture of both quality and performance), Supersample (Quality) and Multi-sample (performance). I chose Supersample and it's working fine for me. Here's another screenshot to show you what I mean: [SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/0a8983T.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[seilent]

Try resolution like 1600 x 600 (by editing the user.pso2 with notepad inside documents/sega/pso2), u might love the very wide view :D (actually i can't go back to 16:9 anymore)
Backup the file frst (in case u accidentally delete everything then saved :v)

http://seilent.org/upload/res.png

[Asuka~]

Will do, thanks! I'll post screenshots in a little while and I'm scared I'll fall in love with that resolution!

[Asuka~]

Well here's something: [SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/Qyv2lGd.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[seilent]

oh that looks like 4:3 instead, make sure the height is 600 and width is 1600, this is how it looks like :D

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/9kMavyD.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Asuka~]

I used the numbers in the picture that you posted and it turned out like that. :/ I'll mess about with it when I'm home I guess. (I'll edit this post in about 20 mins)

[Infinity Series]

Testing with only AA turned on,, with 2xEQ and sweetfx

Playing at 1080p getting decent fps in ultimate, sometimes still dropped to 40-50 but rarely happen (usually happened because PB). Quiet satisfied with the result. I'll stick with this setting until i upgrade my GPU 1-2 month later

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http://i.imgur.com/u5fcCes.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NZ6R5WA.jpg
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fps drop because PB
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http://i.imgur.com/lgHm8JW.jpg
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[Asuka~]

Looks pretty good.