PSO2 33° Live Broadcast

[Manta Oyamada]

http://i3.minus.com/jsavXSKDAzLUS_e.jpg

Date: July 12, 2015

Time: 14: 00 ~ 17:00 (JST)

Official Link Nico Nico: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv226460115
Fan Link YouTube: Coming Soon
Fan Link Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/fireswordmrm
Fan Link Nico Nico 1: http://nico.ms/lv227841430
Fan Link Nico Nico 2: http://nico.ms/lv227843751


Topics


Question & Answer with the Phantasy Star Crew
Details as well as preview on the upcoming August Contents
Kuronia live gameplay powered by ALIENWARE
Special Guests PSO2 Art Director Akikazu Mizuno and Sound Director Hideaki Kobayashi for an interview
The two new concert songs to be made available in-game starting Late July and more things on the broadcast
More information on the new Story expansion to be unveiled (story quests (5 & 6 of EP3) or Episode 4 ????)
More details on the Arks Festival
Follow-up report on the PSO 15th Anniversary Project



Fan site japonese (Maybe it's the Episode 4)


酒井Pが沖縄のアークスキャラバンで大きな発表があると言ってましたが、知っ得情報局で出す情報ということ はEP4説はかなり薄くなりました。

やはりアニメ化が有力ですが果たしてどんな情報なのか。

http://blog.livedoor.jp/menuguildsystem/archives/1032833638.html

[Poyonche]

New story expension = Episode 4 ?

[Vintasticvin]

New story expension = Episode 4 ?

Probably new ep3 stuff. Seem pretty crazy to reveal any ep4 stuff if there IS an ep4 on the horizon

[LonelyGaruga]

The previous livestream revealed Chapter 5 & 6 of EP3. That's what this livestream is going to cover.

[Poyonche]

The previous livestream revealed Chapter 5 & 6 of EP3. That's what this livestream is going to cover.

Mmh I see, thanks both of you.

[sparab]

Considering Sega has packed EP3 updates untill December, I doubt they will include any EP4 content any time soon.

If the announce is game related (not more stage show, anime, action figure, music collection crap), it's probably going to be that New Dark Fantasy.

[ArcaneTechs]

Considering Sega has packed EP3 updates untill December, I doubt they will include any EP4 content any time soon.

If the announce is game related (not more stage show, anime, action figure, music collection crap), it's probably going to be that New Dark Fantasy.
They haven't shown off the Winter Roadmap yet, where are you getting this?

[sparab]

They haven't shown off the Winter Roadmap yet, where are you getting this?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHcMWqaUEAAKMW-.jpg

Consider each update equals 3 parts*2 weeks, these (lack of) contents will last until the end of November.

Should they decide to include a 4th fashion update in that "major" update, plus a few 3 weeks interval. There is a good chance we are not getting EP4 until 2016.

[Shinamori]

I still think Late January ~ Mid February.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Special Guest is the official PSO2 character designer Akikazu Mizuno for an interview


Interesting.

[wefwq]

Eh, i just hope that they show more about PA crafting stuff for upcoming update.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Eh, i just hope that they show more about PA crafting stuff for upcoming update.

Eh... I suspect we're getting one PA craft per weapon category. In that case, my hype, and expectations are low.

[wefwq]

Eh... I suspect we're getting one PA craft per weapon category. In that case, my hype, and expectations are low.
pls don't kill the hype

[LonelyGaruga]

Eh... I suspect we're getting one PA craft per weapon category.

Didn't they actually say this was exactly the case?

[Maenara]

I hope they talk about Dark Falz Double.

[Rakurai]

I don't think we'll get a Dark Falz Double teaser until the next broadcast, personally.

I'm expecting a preview of their Falz form or the new toy Darker boss that's presumably going to be fought as phase 1 of their EQ at most.

[Maenara]

Considering we're getting two story chapters, I'm willing to bet the second one is the one where Dark Falz Double ascends, after an initially story-exclusive combat-form Double boss.

[LonelyGaruga]

We don't even have both toy darker bosses (mid and regular) yet. I strongly doubt that Double is going to take center stage yet.

[Poyonche]

I guess the story quest in the "New story---" section (Autumn ?) will be the one about Dark Falz Double. So maybe a teaser at the end with its Falz Hunar like form ?

[wefwq]

I guess the story quest in the "New story---" section (Autumn ?) will be the one about Dark Falz Double. So maybe a teaser at the end with its Falz Hunar like form ?
Either double or apprentice since both are the most developed bad guy in this episode.

[Rakurai]

Apprentice's Falz and Dark Falz form aren't even in the game's data yet, but Double's Falz form has been in for months, and their Dark Falz form was added fairly recently.

I think it's a fair bet that they're the next one we're going up against.

[Raujinn]

And then we get to fight all of Dark Falz Abyss's forms first and we continue to scratch our heads as to where Double Falz is at. Following that, we somehow get yet another new Falz before Apprentice ever gets to become the big bad bug queen.

[Poyonche]

We still have no clue who and what Dark Falz Abyss is. :c

[Cyber Meteor]

I have some ideas about the next Dark Falz but all the spoilers you can think of are needed so read at your own risk:-P

[SPOILER-BOX]If we kill Double first, there is no chance we'll get Apprentice since Double ate her while she was transferring into Yucrita thus, the 2nd half of the power of Apprentice (half of her main power was sealed in Lillipa by Matoi 10 years ago) got splitted between the clone Double creates and Yucrita, the clone having most of what remained (Yucrita is a "fake" Falz according to Double). But on the other hand, TD4 was datamined too and there is that "new 12 player quest" that is not a Falz in the roadmap, so tbh, now i'm thinking it won't be Double or Apprentice, don't forget there is Matoi and Persona in EP3 that also have the potential to be a Falz (well Matoi is Profound Darkness but it could be she'll have a Falz form before being PD, and that almost happened in MB 2-6). So my thoughts are it'll be between Matoi and Persona (though some ppl suggested Persona is more related to Ultimate areas)[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Maenara]

We don't even have both toy darker bosses (mid and regular) yet. I strongly doubt that Double is going to take center stage yet.

Didn't Loser come out before Seabed was even added? Or am I remembering wrongly? Edit: Wait, yes I am. Day of Rebirth has an optional Decol Malluda in it. Nevermind, derp.

[Poyonche]

I have some ideas about the next Dark Falz but all the spoilers you can think of are needed so read at your own risk:-P

[SPOILER-BOX]If we kill Double first, there is no chance we'll get Apprentice since Double ate her while she was transferring into Yucrita thus, the 2nd half of the power of Apprentice (half of her main power was sealed in Lillipa by Matoi 10 years ago) got splitted between the clone Double creates and Yucrita, the clone having most of what remained (Yucrita is a "fake" Falz according to Double). But on the other hand, TD4 was datamined too and there is that "new 12 player quest" that is not a Falz in the roadmap, so tbh, now i'm thinking it won't be Double or Apprentice, don't forget there is Matoi and Persona in EP3 that also have the potential to be a Falz (well Matoi is Profound Darkness but it could be she'll have a Falz form before being PD, and that almost happened in MB 2-6). So my thoughts are it'll be between Matoi and Persona (though some ppl suggested Persona is more related to Ultimate areas)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Mmh as I know, the only Falz we killed story-wise is Loser, so maybe we could do like with Elder and just defeat Double. And in the 3-6 teaser, it looks like Matoi remember who she was (2nd gen Claris Claes), so maybe she will remember what happened and maybe become Dark Falz Abyss.

Also, the censored roadmap says New Dark Falz---, I forgot what they said for Elder and Loser so i can't talk about it for the moment. Maybe they will just keep "New Dark Falz" (which could mean a totally new Dark Falz (= Abyss) ?) or "New Dark Falz Quest" (which could be Double).

Edit : Here is roadmap text :

[SPOILER-BOX]New Story Qu…
New Dark Fa…
New 12 Player…
New Collab Scra…
Emergency Q…[/SPOILER-BOX]

[LonelyGaruga]

We still have no clue who and what Dark Falz Abyss is. :c

"Dark Falz Abyss" is the Profound Darkness. The Japanese word used that was translated into Profound basically means abyssal. We also know that it's related to Matoi because of datamining finding an "abm" (Abyss Matoi) that wields rods and wands (which Matoi uses).

[Poyonche]

Oh I see now, thanks again, so I guess it is too soon for DF Abyss.

[Maenara]

Oh I see now, thanks again, so I guess it is too soon for DF Abyss.

https://i.imgur.com/WOCUzW1.gif

please understand

[Poyonche]

Sorry, "understand" isn't in my personnal dictionary. :wacko:

[Maenara]

but but
you understood

[FireswordRus]

Waiting for TD4

[Poyonche]

I guess it is too early for TD4. Or maybe just a teaser. I don't think they will show another teaser of Kuronia as we will have a gameplay of it.

So TD4 teaser or next DF, do your choice. :v


but but
you understood

I - I did ? Really ?

[Shinamori]

What if the teaser is CM2? :V

[Poyonche]

I'll throw my computer by the window. :v

[IndigoNovember]

I'll throw my computer by the window. :v

I like how you value your window more than your computer, seeing as you're throwing your computer not through the window but just into the general vicinity by the window XD .

[Poyonche]

Bumped because it is tomorrow. Well for me, because Europe.

[Maenara]

It's at 3 AM EST isn't it?
Also thanks, for some reason I thought it was on the 14th.

[Poyonche]

@ 14:00 ~ 17:00 JST

Because I am a derp and because i am tired, I don't know what time is it for EST, but it sounds right.

[Maenara]

According to Nico, it's in 1 hour, so it's actually 1 AM EST.

[wefwq]

Starting in 15 mins.

[Zorua]

Fan Link YouTube: Coming Soon


A-Are you lying to me again?

[wefwq]

A-Are you lying to me again?
You can just watch it on niconico, you know.
There's like 3 links of it.

[Zorua]

You can just watch it on niconico, you know.
There's like 3 links of it.

I know, but I just thought it was funny how it's said "coming soon" for a few streams, but it hasn't came yet. How soon is soon?! Stop playing with my emotions!

[ultimafia]

Wheres Ichitaro?
Stream is kinda "distracting" compared to the prev ones.

[Maenara]

Which EQ was picked?

Edit: Profound Invasion +200% droprate.

[Touka]

Obviously to promote Beach Wars 3.....right?

[wefwq]

Looks like magatsu can have shironia all for himself for today.

[Maenara]

This marks the first time Magatsu has ever lost the EQ vote, AFAIK.

[EvilMag]

If I'm reading correctly, you can trade in Casino coins for Ult Lillipa stones...right?

[Maenara]

Ice-light hybrid tech and new PAs. New 13*s from Kuronia.

[ultimafia]

New PAs for Dagger, Katana, JB and Rifles?

[Touka]

.....still no new boot pas,sega plz.

[Maenara]

.....still no new boot pas,sega plz.

Boots' new PA was Vinto Gigue.

[final_attack]

Ideal Unit on ChallengeMode-2? o-o and Photon something for ☆１２？

[Maenara]

Were those 13* units?

[Rakurai]

I'm curious as to what the heck the Photon Booster item they were showing off does.

[wefwq]

OHHHHH NEW "IDEAL" UNIT??!?!?

[Shinamori]

Were those 13* units?

12* units I think.

[Arialle]

that music play is convincing enough for it to be the first form theme for the upcoming dark falz

[Maenara]

New Cmode mission, Tundra-Tunnels-Skyscape, multiple routes and harder routes net much more miles.

[Zorua]

I feel so conflicted.. I want that RaCaseal suit so much, but I don't want to buy ragol memories.

[Touka]

.....wait why does Braver need a class boost?

[Shinamori]

Anyone got the first trailer uploaded?

[wefwq]

Braver class boost? i thought that braver already did good enough?
The only thing that need to be corrected was their skill tree SP req.

[final_attack]

Wasn't that ... about .....
People who level every single class?

Something like bonus stat when a class is capped (affect all-class)? :o

[wefwq]

So like level a class to level 75 and receive it's bonus stat?

[Touka]

Looks that way thought that braver pic was misleading.

[Kondibon]

I missed the ice-light tech? 3:

[final_attack]

I missed the ice-light tech? 3:

Yeah. It was something like ...... Dual-wielding Glowing Ice Fan, I think. The picture is blurry :S

[Kondibon]

Yeah. It was something like ...... Dual-wielding Glowing Ice Fan, I think. The picture is blurry :S

Did they show the trailer yet or was it just the slides?

[final_attack]

Did they show the trailer yet or was it just the slides?

They've shown the trailer :3

Should be able to see how it goes once it's available on Bumped :3

[Tankotron]

Did they show the trailer yet or was it just the slides?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zce7bHK2xY4
For future ref can just search "pso2" on youtube and set to show most recently uploaded.

[Maenara]

"Unlock hidden potential abilities on 12 star weapons with Photon Boosters"

?!

[Kondibon]

"Unlock hidden potential abilities on 12 star weapons with Photon Boosters"

?!I know what all of those words mean on their own but not together in that order.

[HIT0SHI]

Oh god my wallet
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/DNkTbBQ.jpg




At 2:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd1jwzKyVqI

[/SPOILER-BOX]

Can't wait for how HUcast (Kireek) is gonna look like.
For the 1st time ever, SEGA might actually have some of my money with anything related to PSO2. :wacko:

[Poyonche]

From trailer

-Ideal Units will cost 20k each
-Photon Booster thing
-Base mag (= baby mag, delphinus etc...) evo devices !?

My screenshot is too fat for PSOw, so i'll just give you video link :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd1jwzKyVqI 3:07

[nephie]

some photon booster latent

[SPOILER-BOX]
LV1: while using tech, pp consumtion -11%, damage +6%
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJsWG-tUAAAFiQe.jpg:large
LV1: during breve stance, frontal damage +12%
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJsVYbDUAAAMwo-.jpg:large
[/SPOILER-BOX]

now wondering if gal wing will get another boost or not

[starwind75043]

Wait if there ideal units? Will there be a unit and weapon set bonus?

[Poyonche]

Ideal Units will be 13*

On the screen shot, we can see weapons are part of the set.

[Renderless]

I believe someone said on stream chat that it is a 4 piece set so you will need the 3 units and ideal weapon. Don't quote me on that though.

Also, "Sympathy 2015." Is this another typo of theirs?

And PSO2 anime?

[Sizustar]

I believe someone said on stream chat that it is a 4 piece set so you will need the 3 units and ideal weapon. Don't quote me on that though.

Also, "Sympathy 2015." Is this another typo of theirs?

And PSO2 anime?

Yes, PSO2 TV anime

[Touka]

PSO 2 anime with original scenario,PLEASE DONT LET IT SUCK.

[Sizustar]

PSO 2 anime with original scenario,PLEASE DONT LET IT SUCK.

So something like the Live stage play then.

[Flaoc]

i hope the set bonus is nice without the ideal weapon and ideal for the lvl 2 version of the set bonus.. but the lvl 2 version should just add atk to the ideal weapon nothing else... mostly cause i want these units to be a saiki killer even without ideal weapon

[Maenara]

PSO2: The Anime: One 15 minute episode each two months. Follows the lives of 12 ARKS members in severely overpowered gear as they struggle to find the challenge in anything.

[Atmius]

I believe it was said both that the ideal units are 11*, and that it's a 2 set bonus, one with arm+weapon, the other being rear/leg or something to such an effect.

[EvilMag]

PSO2: The Anime: One 15 minute episode each two months. Follows the lives of 12 ARKS members in severely overpowered gear as they struggle to find the challenge in anything.

PSO2: The Anime will only show up at random times on TV!

Just like EQs.

[Sizustar]

PSO2: The Anime: One 15 minute episode each two months. Follows the lives of 12 ARKS members in severely overpowered gear as they struggle to find the challenge in anything.

It's a origional story set in a near future earth...
http://i.imgur.com/2yPPnhp.jpg

[Renderless]

I believe it was said both that the ideal units are 11*, and that it's a 2 set bonus, one with arm+weapon, the other being rear/leg or something to such an effect.

I don't know about the set bonus, but this picture (http://www.bumped.org/psublog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Challenge-Quest-2.jpg) shows the unit as a 13*.

[Maenara]

It's a origional story set in a near future earth...
http://i.imgur.com/2yPPnhp.jpg

It was a joke.

[Poyonche]

NVm, the 13* we are seeing is ideal sword.

[Renderless]

NVm, the 13* we are seeing is ideal sword.

Yup. Just checked. Whoops. But at least this means we don't need Lambda Grinders to grind them then.

[nephie]

if I don't misheard it, the units are *11
and there will be 2 sets weapon+rear and arm+leg
both set bonus are geared toward atk stat and have less hp, pp, or dex bonus, the reason is to cover ideal low atk

[Flaoc]

if I don't misheard it, the units are *11
and there will be 2 sets weapon+rear and arm+leg
both set bonus are geared toward atk stat and have less hp, pp, or dex bonus, the reason is to cover ideal low atk

looks like im sticking with saiki

[wefwq]

and there will be 2 sets weapon+rear and arm+leg
Why would they keep doing that...
inb4 unit set effect ALL ATK +150

[final_attack]

Now, if the set units not involving weapon got +90 Attack (since weapon might be better to use DF's ☆１３or future ☆１３) .......... gonna have to change to Ideal Units if that happens :wacko:

[Maenara]

OH SHIT FALZ DOUBLE

ITS A FUCKING MOBILE CASTLE

[strikerhunter]

Disney world had just came into PSO2.

[Renderless]

Dark Falz [Disney World]

[Touka]

Was gonna say that Double is just humanoid forms?Then they showed the Bouncy Castle of Doom,gg Sega.

[ultimafia]

Oh shit a Dark Falz that actually looks scary.

[Rakurai]

Double uses both Angel and Hunar's attacks. That seems to confirm that Elder got absorbed by them.

Also, I'm thinking that the castle might just be the Falz Arms/Apos Dorios equivalent for their EQ, not Dark Falz Double. The design aesthetic is totally different from their's, whereas Hunar and Angel had a lot of traits in common with their Dark Falz forms.

[Poyonche]

The music was creepy too. ;-;

The area was weird, wonder where it will be.

[Shinamori]

Double uses both Angel and Hunar's attacks.

Also, I'm thinking that the castle might just be the Falz Arms/Apos Dorios equivalent for their EQ, not Dark Falz Double.

That seems like it's too much for that just be the Arms/Apos equivalent.

[Maenara]

Reupload of final teaser stat please

[LonelyGaruga]

Double went and ruined the cutesy yet creepy look toy darkers were going for and just went full on goofy. You can't take a boss seriously when it attacks you by spinning a hula hoop.

At least the pre-Dark Falz Double fight looks good.

[Rakurai]

That seems like it's too much for that just be the Arms/Apos equivalent.

We already have Big Vardha as an example of a gigantic boss that's not of major importance.

Having another one that isn't a Falz doesn't seem like too big of a stretch.

[nephie]

Now, if the set units not involving weapon got +90 Attack (since weapon might be better to use DF's ☆１３or future ☆１３) .......... gonna have to change to Ideal Units if that happens :wacko:

well the new 13* from harkotan(?) seems to have so-so latent

ie:
gunslash: +11% ranged damage against weak part
[SPOILER-BOX]
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJsavl2UMAACSzS.jpg:large[/SPOILER-BOX]

well supposedly seems cool at first, but if I recall weak bulleted part doesn't count as weak part in extreme, so not really sure if it is really that handy for non-ranged weapon (w/o headshot)

[Tankotron]

Double went and ruined the cutesy yet creepy look toy darkers were going for and just went full on goofy. You can't take a boss seriously when it attacks you by spinning a hula hoop.

At least the pre-Dark Falz Double fight looks good.

Loser is a giant chicken with swords and Elder is a big rock with a goofy voice that tries to squish you with his butt. I hope you ain't taking them seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvayWs-6eeo DF Double video

[Flaoc]

well the new 13* from harkotan(?) seems to have so-so latent

ie:
gunslash: +11% ranged damage against weak part
[SPOILER-BOX]
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJsavl2UMAACSzS.jpg:large[/SPOILER-BOX]

well supposedly seems cool at first, but if I recall weak bulleted part doesn't count as weak part in extreme, so not really sure if it is really that handy for non-ranged weapon (w/o headshot)

no thats very good.. its 2% higher than crushing blow and way more atk

[Lumpen Thingy]

Loser is a giant chicken with swords and Elder is a big rock with a goofy voice that tries to squish you with his butt. I hope you ain't taking them seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvayWs-6eeo DF Double video

I LOVE how messed up the new dark falz is looking. Evil Disney Castle is just too dam good.

[wefwq]

we kingdom hearts now

man, those falz double looks pretty spooky.

[LonelyGaruga]

Loser is a giant chicken with swords and Elder is a big rock with a goofy voice that tries to squish you with his butt. I hope you ain't taking them seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvayWs-6eeo DF Double video

Should be comparing to Hunar and Angel, who are far superior in terms of aesthetics and design compared to Double's equivalent form. And Loser is an owl.

And as a general thing, that was not Dark Falz [Double] shown in the teaser. That was the pre-boss. Dark Falz [Double] should be an even grander scale of a boss as such.

[wefwq]

nvm found it myself.

[Meteor Weapon]

Double's First Form shown to be using Hunar and Angel's parts for their attack.

Hunar's part being there probably confirms Elder end up dead. Or probably at least a part of him got absorb, no one knows if he's dead or alive.
[SPOILER-BOX]
http://s26.postimg.org/y686ilxmh/elder.png
http://s26.postimg.org/64u54wsc9/angel.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Poyonche]

I think the story quest of DF Double will be amazing.

[Rakurai]

The floor of the arena the castle is being fought in has Darker colors on it and doesn't look any place we've seen before.

Wouldn't surprise me if Dark Falz Double is huge enough that we're actually fighting on them for both the pre-boss and the fight against them.

[Poyonche]

Or as Double like to corrupt alot, maybe it corrupted a part of Harkotan (~ Kuronia )and we are fighting in that place.

[wefwq]

The floor of the arena the castle is being fought in has Darker colors on it and doesn't look any place we've seen before.

Wouldn't surprise me if Dark Falz Double is huge enough that we're actually fighting on them for both the pre-boss and the fight against them.
Isn't that just black nation king throne room?

[Mattykins]

Hopefully someone who is keen in the moonrunes can determine if that's Double itself or the first-phase guardian boss a la Falz Arm/Dorios? D:

[Rakurai]

It doesn't bear much of a resemblance to them at all, so I'm assuming it's just the first phase boss.

[Maenara]

I'm looking at the data and while there's a DpToy(Dark Falz Double), there's nothing that could be whatever that's supposed to be. All the new toy-type darkers in the data are accounted for in Kuronia. ToyPipe, ToyBlock, ToyCrazyRabbit, ToyDollHouse, and ToyBoxNitro.

[Azure Falcon]

Neptunia scratch, good lord my wallet is weeping already. I said the day that ever happened I'd buy literally everything in the catalogue.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Gurren tessen, huh?

Tricky to make this one out. So it's 10 pp x 2. For 10pp, the dash places you behind the target, and then you can use the 2nd part of the attack for 10 extra pp. Just hope the dash move doesn't put bravers through magatsu's body, or else katanas would continue to be terrible for attack on cube pinata.

Would impress me if it had tsukimi dps potential when spammed, chase aerial targets, and suspends the user mid air during the animation when using the second attack. The fact it's not another charged PA looks good. Got my hopes up.

[akitalevia]

The new dual tech look soo cool~ A melee tech that looks like a dual blade combo <3

Now Zandeon looks so lackluster out of the three.

[final_attack]

I ... need translations for that Class bonus .... >.<

[wefwq]

ToyBoxNitro
So like crash banditcoot?

[Maenara]

So like crash banditcoot?

It's basically the two little toy darkers we have right now, except instead of its body being box-shaped, it's shaped like a cartoon bomb.

[Poyonche]

The new dual tech look soo cool~ A melee tech that looks like a dual blade combo <3

Now Zandeon looks so lackluster out of the three.

It is definitely my favorite compound tech ! And it looks like it deals very decent damages.

[FireswordRus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3IIcRbH8cY

[Feyua]

Was there any mention of what the new affix, Spirita Alpha, does?

[Neith]

Oh god a Neptunia collab. Welp, time to save money until then :lol:

DF Double looks crazy, very over the top and childish which is perfect for their personality.

[Maenara]

Does anyone have the names of the combat forms of [Double]?

[the_importer_]

Does anyone have the names of the combat forms of [Double]?

children of the damned?

I don't know.

Now regarding the bonus stats, if I'm getting this correctly, this means that everyone who's been playing for ages or have basically dedicated their lives to this game by capping all 8 classes will have a combined major stat boosts over everyone that didn't? Seems kind of unfair IMO.

[Z-0]

Capping classes is easy if you know what you're doing. One day in VHAQ City on an EXP boost day gets you to 75 that same day, and they're even adding a permanent 100% EXP boost to AQ!

[the_importer_]

Capping classes is easy if you know what you're doing. One day in VHAQ City on an EXP boost day gets you to 75 that same day, and they're even adding a permanent 100% EXP boost to AQ!

From Lv50 to Lv75 in 1 day? I'd like to see that.

[wefwq]

Does anyone have the names of the combat forms of [Double]?
Does the trailer showing falz double even has text on it? i don't recall it have any text worth reading at all.
let us all call them falz [spooky].


Capping classes is easy if you know what you're doing. One day in VHAQ City on an EXP boost day gets you to 75 that same day, and they're even adding a permanent 100% EXP boost to AQ!
Things become more noticeable starting from level 60, but well they change AQ soon so it might be changed too who knows.


From Lv50 to Lv75 in 1 day? I'd like to see that.
Easy leveling doesn't mean it HAVE to be in less than 24 hours.
But yes, leveling multiple class on multiple character (assuming that you play more than 1 character) will wear you up.

[Chdata]

vhaq not shaq?

[Ryuuguu]

Any information on the 11* units?

[Z-0]

Faster enemy kills mostly, SHAQ costs too many capsules and can't be spammed properly, you also have to fill every map usually to make sure you break even. Furthermore, because SHAQ goes over 70, the enemies become too strong, too fast and you end up making even less EXP/time.

VHAQ is either;

Tunnels with boss rushes for level 3 Vardha at 50 risk (this is solo);
City going straight to the boss, killing on the way for hopes at a burst (do them at exit);
City filling Area 2 to try and force a burst.

Make sure you have some sort of decent ranged.

I've done VHAQ spams and gotten to 75 easily with them. My FiHu made it to 75/75 in about a week of casually playing City VHAQ on the boost days. FO is like 66 or something now too because of that.

[the_importer_]

Easy leveling doesn't mean it HAVE to be in less than 24 hours.
But yes, leveling multiple class on multiple character (assuming that you play more than 1 character) will wear you up.

Hey it was Z-0 who said in the same day, I was just looking for proof.

[LonelyGaruga]

Hopefully someone who is keen in the moonrunes can determine if that's Double itself or the first-phase guardian boss a la Falz Arm/Dorios? D:

It's first-phase. It doesn't say that, but you can tell quite easily.

-It doesn't talk. Double talks.
-There was no CG cutscene. Dark Falzes get CG cutscenes in their teasers.
-It doesn't look like Double, nor does it have two forms like Double.
-It's based on an amusement park. Considering everything is a toy to Double (from planets to Magatsu to other Dark Falzes), an amusement park, the height of achievement for the sake of entertaining children, is probably the most appropriate design choice possible for a pre-boss against Double.


I'm looking at the data and while there's a DpToy(Dark Falz Double), there's nothing that could be whatever that's supposed to be. All the new toy-type darkers in the data are accounted for in Kuronia. ToyPipe, ToyBlock, ToyCrazyRabbit, ToyDollHouse, and ToyBoxNitro.

It doesn't necessarily have to be in the data yet. Which of those is the mid-boss anyway?


Does anyone have the names of the combat forms of [Double]?

No name was given.


From Lv50 to Lv75 in 1 day? I'd like to see that.

A 75% EXP ticket and a 100% Triboost on an EXP/AQ boost day makes VHAQ City bursts give like 2m in about 20 minutes, maybe less. Yes the bursts really do last an incredibly long time, should get 10+ minute bursts with ease as long as your party is good. Level cap is 39m, level 45 is 2.2m EXP, level 50 is 4.5m, so you just need a few hours of playing to level cap like that. Of course, this depends on quality of the burst and quality of the part.

VHAQ City bursts make every other level grinding method look pitiful in comparison in all honesty. Even with only a 75% and just casually playing you can easily get 10+ levels in the span of hours.

[nathanielzor]

50-75 in Urban VHAQ AQ is super easy on boost days.

Finding three other people who won't ditch you though...... :(

[TwistedShaerk]

Since the class bonus is account wide, I'm going to assume once you cap the class once on any character, you get that bonus and regardless of how many times you cap it on other characters, the bonus for that class cannot apply more than once.

If it's not under those restrictions then the class bonus is OP as fuck.

[Maenara]

It doesn't necessarily have to be in the data yet. Which of those is the mid-boss anyway?


ToyBlock.

[Raujinn]

Yeah it's the getting the group part that will make or break burst farming as an option for many people. Boss-rushing is always on the table, however, as long as you can reliably take the boss down by yourself anyway.

[Chdata]

oh i forgot they buffed shaq aq enemies

[Mattykins]

Oh yeah, was there a Secret Phrase this time? I can't find it on Bumped D:

[Neith]

Oh yeah, was there a Secret Phrase this time? I can't find it on Bumped D:

Yeah: うみんちゅたろう to get
Music Disc: Voice Drama 一位にふさわしく
Food Stall Cart
3rd Anniversary Donuts x10

[wefwq]

Oh yeah, was there a Secret Phrase this time? I can't find it on Bumped D:
Yes there it is, on the top of the post just right below the EQ notice.

[Achelousaurus]

Wow.
Sega becoming more and more douchey.Well ok, they probably weren't any better before but now I actually paid attention to it.
We get a trickle of 3 different collabs each. Even though we know there is 5 times more content to each of them.

New cmode looks sorta recycled, current cmode already has barbarilipan + mizer and I wouldn't wonder if it's mostly the same enemies with only slight spawn variations.

That katana pa looks shit. Like Ignition Parry but even worse cause braver is a much faster paced class. And it really looked like there was significant lag.

But most of all what truly pisses me off is that yet again sega gives us a shitty resolution video with a pitiful bitrate and expects us to get all moist and ready to convert our next paycheck to AC.
They don't even give nearly enough of a fuck for a decent advertisement. We aren't worth it and sega knows they don't need to spend a single yen more on it to get enough people hyped for it to pay off.

You'd think we'd get a tad more appreciation considering pso2 is one of the very few sega projects that are really successful at the moment and not underwhelming as fuck.

Guess sega doesn't see us as anything other than moneybags.

[milranduil]

Wow.
Sega becoming more and more douchey.Well ok, they probably weren't any better before but now I actually paid attention to it.
We get a trickle of 3 different collabs each. Even though we know there is 5 times more content to each of them.

New cmode looks sorta recycled, current cmode already has barbarilipan + mizer and I wouldn't wonder if it's mostly the same enemies with only slight spawn variations.

That katana pa looks shit. Like Ignition Parry but even worse cause braver is a much faster paced class. And it really looked like there was significant lag.

But most of all what truly pisses me off is that yet again sega gives us a shitty resolution video with a pitiful bitrate and expects us to get all moist and ready to convert our next paycheck to AC.
They don't even give nearly enough of a fuck for a decent advertisement. We aren't worth it and sega knows they don't need to spend a single yen more on it to get enough people hyped for it to pay off.

You'd think we'd get a tad more appreciation considering pso2 is one of the very few sega projects that are really successful at the moment and not underwhelming as fuck.

Guess sega doesn't see us as anything other than moneybags.

It's like they're a business or something.

[Charmeleon]

It's such a relief that the class cap bonus is account wide. It would be such a pain to cap every single class on every one of my characters.

[Bellion]

It's not even SEGA that has uploaded those videos yet, only fans re-uploading from the stream.
SEGA will release their own in higher quality and all that stuff soon enough.

[The Walrus]

Dat new rifle pa looks sexy

Keep it coming, sega. I NEED MORE REASONS TO PLAY RANGER

hell, reasons to play the game would be nice too.

[Arada]

5th line of text...

うみんちゅたろう

[dingophone]

Ugh I want class balances and harder difficulty is all... Plus they apparently killed off the most badass character in the game (Elder)! God dammit Sega... I am disappoint.

[Cyber Meteor]

That Dark Falz Double teaser at the end kinda killed all the hype i had for Kuronia, now i wanna fight that new Falz right now (looks like the battle is gonna be fun) ^^;

[TaigaUC]

I thought Gettemhart was far more badass than Elder.

I absolutely despise the capsule system for AQ and wish they'd remove it.
Picking them up is a pain, and they almost never drop anyway. They waste storage space too.

Class cap thing would have been nice before I'd already capped most of my classes.
I hope it doesn't require 10 class EXP cubes or something equally ridiculous.

I'm concerned that the levelling quest will result in a flood of newbies with shit gear screwing EQs at XH. Also, pre-70 will become even more barren.
It's a shitty "fix" for a shitty progression design problem.

Problem: Shitty players are making the game intolerable pre-70.
Fix: Let's give everyone a temporary way to level to 70 quickly!

Problem: Nearly the entire population is level 70+.
Fix: Let's make everyone else 70!

Problem: Level 70+ players are steamrolling endgame content.
Fix: Let's make multis weaker by filling them with newbies via a quick levelling quest! Balance!

Etcetra. I'm sure there are better solutions to each of those problems.

[Poyonche]

Ok guys, with that limited levelling quest, be ready to see AIS at Wave 1

[wefwq]

Wow.
Sega becoming more and more douchey.Well ok, they probably weren't any better before but now I actually paid attention to it.
We get a trickle of 3 different collabs each. Even though we know there is 5 times more content to each of them.

New cmode looks sorta recycled, current cmode already has barbarilipan + mizer and I wouldn't wonder if it's mostly the same enemies with only slight spawn variations.

That katana pa looks shit. Like Ignition Parry but even worse cause braver is a much faster paced class. And it really looked like there was significant lag.

But most of all what truly pisses me off is that yet again sega gives us a shitty resolution video with a pitiful bitrate and expects us to get all moist and ready to convert our next paycheck to AC.
They don't even give nearly enough of a fuck for a decent advertisement. We aren't worth it and sega knows they don't need to spend a single yen more on it to get enough people hyped for it to pay off.

You'd think we'd get a tad more appreciation considering pso2 is one of the very few sega projects that are really successful at the moment and not underwhelming as fuck.

Guess sega doesn't see us as anything other than moneybags.
Still salty that SoA didn't bring this game to burgerland?

They're not operating PSO2 merely as hobby project, it's their bussiness and of course that mean the higher-up wants they to generate as much money as possible, at least that they didn't make the game paywall fest.

The game itself, already recycling content since beta... there's nothing new about it.


I thought Gettemhart was far more badass than Elder.

I absolutely despise the capsule system for AQ and wish they'd remove it.
Picking them up is a pain, and they almost never drop anyway. They waste storage space too.

Class cap thing would have been nice before I'd already capped most of my classes.
I hope it doesn't require 10 class EXP cubes or something equally ridiculous.

I'm concerned that the levelling quest will result in a flood of newbies with shit gear screwing EQs at XH. Also, pre-70 will become even more barren.
It's a shitty "fix" for a shitty progression design problem.

Problem: Shitty players are making the game intolerable pre-70.
Fix: Let's give everyone a temporary way to level to 70 quickly!

Problem: Nearly the entire population is level 70+.
Fix: Let's make everyone else 70!

Problem: Level 70+ players are steamrolling endgame content.
Fix: Let's make multis weaker by filling them with newbies via a quick levelling quest! Balance!

Etcetra. I'm sure there are better solutions to each of those problems.
Oh no we messed up the cable during server maintenance!
Fix: extend maintenance by 3 hours and give everyone triboost 100% x1

Their fix are kind of stupid, yes.
It just feels like that they're too scatterbrain to fix their own mess, or they just think that the fix that should be done may make playerbase angry etc etc.
The fix they gave, yes can solve the problem but is not for long-term fix, it'll become bigger mess later.


Ok guys, with that limited levelling quest, be ready to see AIS at Wave 1
It already happened to the MPA im in earlier today :-?
Even more worse, he only using AIS to collect crystal with very little to none killing involved.

[oratank]

ais at wave 1 can be done. this one can cover wave 1&2 if the pilot know how to beam.

[EvilMag]

My issue I've always had with their fixes is that they seem to have some sort of stigma of not updating old content to be on par with the current. They usually instead of doing that, they make the items you get from said old content obtainable else where. Like the case for Ult Lillipa stones. I'm honestly pissed off that they aren't fixing Ult Lillipa regarding stone grinding.
I wonder how many people now will do it since you can obtain the stones in the casino.
Just have fucking etrials and bosses crystals give out the stones. It's not that hard Sega.

[the_importer_]

I wonder how many people now will do it since you can obtain the stones in the casino.
Just have fucking etrials and bosses crystals give out the stones. It's not that hard Sega.

Knowing SEGA, 5000 coins for 1 stone. No thanks, Ult Lilipa is less frustrating than that rigged Casino.

[Cyber Meteor]

Just have fucking etrials and bosses crystals give out the stones. It's not that hard Sega.

The funny thing is that they're doing that for Kuronia and Dulgar stones (the ones that takes a long time to get to 100), i saw the playthrough in Kuronia and the e-trial were giving 1 Dulgar stone per clear

[Selphea]

It'll probably be a retroactive fix Eventually™

[Z-0]

Ok guys, with that limited levelling quest, be ready to see AIS at Wave 1
Actually Wave 1 is the best way to do it. Make sure you get through both Wave 1 and 2 (save the beam for the triple Wolga) for the best time.

[TaigaUC]

You know what really pisses me off?
Their balance fixes tend to be "new content" that require some shitty farming/grinding.

Like the new PA customizations. They seem to have focused on PAs nobody uses because they're shit.
Instead of just making them not shit, they're making us "craft" them.
I'd really liked to have seen their stats for "least used PAs" for sake of comparison.

And of course, everyone remembers the PA/Tech disk damage changes that only applied to the latest ranks that we had to farm for as rare drops.
Took them a while to apply the changes retroactively, and you'd think they'd have learned their lesson, but no....

It'd be nice to get more, you know, REAL new content that isn't balance fixes.

[Cyber Meteor]

@Taiga If they ever do that ("real new content") it'll only be for the launch of a new episode (4 or 5 or whatever) but in the middle of an episode, nope

[Shinamori]

Makes me wonder how many Episodes there will be.

[Kondibon]

You know what really pisses me off?
Their balance fixes tend to be "new content" that require some shitty farming/grinding.This has been bothering me since... I don't even know. I feel the same way about stuff like weapon latents (why do they require regrinding the weapon?), and lvl 11/16/17 PA disks (they fixed 11 and 16 but then they did it again with level 17 melee PAs).

[Renvalt]

Y'know, looking at Double's little "castle" minion, I'm reminded of the theme of their Darkers and am thus able to see what both creatures are.

Double's Hunar form is basically a set of dolls, but their borrowing from Elder/Loser would be not unlike a couple of kids playing "pretend" - as if they were imagining themselves as these individuals (like how kids in the street would "pretend" to be some character from a cartoon or something similar; I know I did this plenty growing up).

Their Apos/Arms minion (assuming that that's what this is) is effectively a two in one - though you don't notice it until you look at both the arena and at the adornments at the top of the towers. The Castle is both the ultimate playpen (Girl Double's favorite toy), and at the same time a set of detached chess pieces (Boy Double's favorite toy).

...I mean, that's just my take on it. Sorry to distract from the whole bit about Sega and items and whatever else it was you guys were talking about.



This message was brought to you by Renvalt, PSO-W's resident bipolar whiner.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

and lvl 11/16/17 PA disks (they fixed 11 and 16 but then they did it again with level 17 melee PAs).

Let's not forget the fact you either had to grind ult nab for its horrendously low disk drop rate (ult lilipa later handled this right), or wait for an XH EQ. Plus there's the fact common PAs are tied to specific enemy drops.

I think everyone here knows I bitched about this for at least the month it took me to get 10% extra sakura end damage after we got XH.

Increases the damage of melee PAs to assist melee classes in XH/ult.
Tied to RNG drops exclusive in both difficulties.
XH quest access locked behind EQ system.
SEGA :wacko:

[elryan]

Let's not forget the fact you either had to grind ult nab for its horrendously low disk drop rate (ult lilipa later handled this right), or wait for an XH EQ. Plus there's the fact common PAs are tied to specific enemy drops.

I think everyone here knows I bitched about this for at least a month after we got XH.

They could've put the U-Nab discs into the current LQ. Shame they didn't.

How will ever I get my Lv.17 Ignite Parry :(

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

They could've put the U-Nab discs into the current LQ. Shame they didn't.

How will ever I get my Lv.17 Ignite Parry :(

I still don't have lvl17 chase arrow.

[Flaoc]

Let's not forget the fact you either had to grind ult nab for its horrendously low disk drop rate (ult lilipa later handled this right), or wait for an XH EQ. Plus there's the fact common PAs are tied to specific enemy drops.

I think everyone here knows I bitched about this for at least the month it took me to get 10% extra sakura end damage after we got XH.

Increases the damage of melee PAs to assist melee classes in XH/ult.
Tied to RNG drops exclusive in both difficulties.
XH quest access locked behind EQ system.
SEGA :wacko:

the struggles of not finding hatou until sometime 2015

[TaigaUC]

I wonder how long it'll take SEGA to realize that super rare rank 17 discs aren't worth the hassle of trying to solo an Ultimate Quest that nobody wants to do.

Or, in general, that incentives alone don't make a game fun.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Or, in general, that incentives alone don't make a game fun.

See sig :/

[wefwq]

I wonder how long it'll take SEGA to realize that super rare rank 17 discs aren't worth the hassle of trying to solo an Ultimate Quest that nobody wants to do.

Or, in general, that incentives alone don't make a game fun.
They can just make it drop somewhere else, but i think adding extra lines in their codes are just too much hassle for them.

[Kondibon]

They can just make it drop somewhere else, but i think adding extra lines in their codes are just too much hassle for them.I'm amazed anyone thinks it's "hassle" anymore and not just a way to make new content appealing.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I'm amazed anyone thinks it's "hassle" anymore and not just a way to make new content appealing.

It's part of their lol10yearplan.

[Maenara]

So I just heard this theory - consider that Elder and Loser were both devoured by Double, and presumably successfully cloned. It's implied that cloned Loser can still transform into Dark Falz Loser...

...So, what if the current A Profound Invasion EQ is actually slated to become the phase one quest for Dark Falz Double's EQ? It suits their style perfectly, and the quest even designates Dark Falz Elder and Dark Falz Loser as 'apparitions', rather than the real thing.

[The Walrus]

It sure would be more interesting than the fight against that chicken thing we fight before Loser.

[Kondibon]

So I just heard this theory - consider that Elder and Loser were both devoured by Double, and presumably successfully cloned. It's implied that cloned Loser can still transform into Dark Falz Loser...

...So, what if the current A Profound Invasion EQ is actually slated to become the phase one quest for Dark Falz Double's EQ? It suits their style perfectly, and the quest even designates Dark Falz Elder and Dark Falz Loser as 'apparitions', rather than the real thing.
It would explain why there was no "pre fight" shown for double in the trailer. People were saying the funhouse could have been it, but everything about the design of that fight screamed big falz boss.

[Maenara]

It would explain why there was no "pre fight" shown for double in the trailer. People were saying the funhouse could have been it, but everything about the design of that fight screamed big falz boss.

My thoughts exactly. Even shown in the trailer itself, right before the castle, was the text:

Dark Falz Double
DF [Twins]

And people are arguing that the castle doesn't speak - Game sound was clearly turned off for that portion of the trailer, except for the very end which appeared to be the intro animation. And that they didn't have a CG lead-in trailer like Loser and Elder did, but Elder had a CG 'death' scene too, while Loser didn't, and Sega is showing us all the time that two data points don't necessarily preview a third, especially what with things like the third set of new PAs coming before Ultimate Amduscia does.

[Renvalt]

It sure would be more interesting than the fight against that chicken thing we fight before Loser.

Ya mean Apos, AKA Cardinal Hoothoot of the Church of Our Falz Most Holy?

.... I don't think it would fit. I mean, as much as it would be awesome to make accessing Double a literal field trip into hell, the theme doesn't fit.

However, since I can't come up with any other leads at present, there's nothing to say you aren't right either.

Honestly, a full-on Falz All-Stars battle is gonna be hell enough as is with both Loser and Hunar on your asses. Imagine now how hectic that'll be when you add Double to the mix (AKA the first Banther of the Falzes).

[Kondibon]

Ya mean Apos, AKA Cardinal Hoothoot of the Church of Our Falz Most Holy?

.... I don't think it would fit. I mean, as much as it would be awesome to make accessing Double a literal field trip into hell, the theme doesn't fit.

However, since I can't come up with any other leads at present, there's nothing to say you aren't right either.

Honestly, a full-on Falz All-Stars battle is gonna be hell enough as is with both Loser and Hunar on your asses. Imagine now how hectic that'll be when you add Double to the mix (AKA the first Banther of the Falzes).I don't think anyone said anything about fighting them all at once...

[Maenara]

Let's face it, we'll probably never get to fight Loser and Elder at the same time just because Vita probably can't handle it (´・ω・`)

[yoshiblue]

Let's face it, we'll probably never get to fight Loser and Elder at the same time just because Vita probably can't handle it (´・ω・`)

Just make Elder Luther PC only blocks, and give the vita blocks a super enhanced Persona, App, Hunar battle. Or a 12 man clone brawl. Then cry when the modulator market crashes.

[Kondibon]

Let's face it, we'll probably never get to fight Loser and Elder at the same time just because Vita probably can't handle it (´・ω・`)I can't imagine it would be fun unless the fight was completely redesigned to take into account a giant butt plug and chicken flailing their arms around anyway.

[Renvalt]

Let's face it, we'll probably never get to fight Loser and Elder at the same time just because Vita probably can't handle it (´・ω・`)

I don't believe I said anything about fighting the final forms all at once. That would be utter chaos and would require that you have MLG-grade setups for all them particles present. Not to mention.... how the hell would anyone survive all that at once?

That's not even masochism anymore. That's just downright unfair.

[Maenara]

I don't believe I said anything about fighting the final forms all at once. That would be utter chaos and would require that you have MLG-grade setups for all them particles present. Not to mention.... how the hell would anyone survive all that at once?

That's not even masochism anymore. That's just downright unfair.

In a game absolutely starved of masochistic content and content that rewards you in a meaningful way for the challenge it gives, I would welcome it with open arms.

[Mattykins]

I still kinda hope what we saw was just the pre-falz first phase. Was looking forward to a double-boss Falz fight. I don't want them to cop out and give Double a single body :c

[Zorua]

I don't believe I said anything about fighting the final forms all at once. That would be utter chaos and would require that you have MLG-grade setups for all them particles present. Not to mention.... how the hell would anyone survive all that at once?

That's not even masochism anymore. That's just downright unfair.

It's not about it being fair, it's about it being fun!

[wefwq]

I don't believe I said anything about fighting the final forms all at once. That would be utter chaos and would require that you have MLG-grade setups for all them particles present. Not to mention.... how the hell would anyone survive all that at once?

That's not even masochism anymore. That's just downright unfair.
It's not fun if it's fair.

[Rakurai]

I'd want a quest that makes you fight Elder, Loser, and Double in their small forms simultaneously.


I still kinda hope what we saw was just the pre-falz first phase. Was looking forward to a double-boss Falz fight. I don't want them to cop out and give Double a single body :c

They've never shown off the Dark Falz fights in the teaser trailers so far, only the proper preview trailers.

I'm 100% certain the killer Disney castle is just the pre-fight. The fact that it looks barely looks anything like Double supports that to a degree, since all of the previous Dark Falz have had more then a few traits in common with their smaller form. I get the impression that if something that huge is the pre-fight, Double is probably going to be even bigger then Elder was.

[Poyonche]

inb4 Dark Falz Double is a mixture between a big rock, a chicken an owl and a toy.

[Renvalt]

inb4 Dark Falz Double is a mixture between a big rock, a chicken an owl and a toy.

Why not a freaky laughing clown rolling over people while on a bouncy ball? Cliche I know, but it fits their whole deal of "We're kids! We play with your lives like toys! The universe is our little playground!"

I mean, c'mon - those two are outright kindergarteners. EVIL little kindergartners with an outrageously gluttonous appetite. They want to EAT the universe.

Elder is supposed to be intimidating (though that wore off quickly), Loser is supposed to be awe-inspiring (though his whining made him annoying real fast, like a parrot that squawks too much), Persona's supposed to be frightening (though his appearances are now limited to no more than jumpscares at this point), so that makes Double the one that needs to be creepy (but will inevitably suffer the fate all Kugyus do - the minute you hear them laughing, you want to punch them straight into silence; ergo, they will become annoyingly disturbing).


I'd want a quest that makes you fight Elder, Loser, and Double in their small forms simultaneously.



They've never shown off the Dark Falz fights in the teaser trailers so far, only the proper preview trailers.

I'm 100% certain the killer Disney castle is just the pre-fight. The fact that it looks barely looks anything like Double supports that to a degree, since all of the previous Dark Falz have had more then a few traits in common with their smaller form. I get the impression that if something that huge is the pre-fight, Double is probably going to be even bigger then Elder was.

Actually, if you pay attention, it shifts forms. One form is a Castle, but the other is when it breaks apart and becomes the back row of a chess set. I stated before that the Castle would be the "Girl" taking front stance, while the Chess Set is the "Boy" taking the lead. The walls would represent Pawns, given that pawns may only move forward (their capturing diagonally is more likely referenced by the gap that would be present in the walls).

In Castle Form, it uses a Fireworks Attack that shoots energy balls that would more than likely represent "cannon balls" coming from a castle wall as a means of anti-siege tactics, and a "Ferris Wheel" type attack (as denoted by the Bontas circling the castle when it hovers).

The Chess Form has laser towers in addition to the Wall Shove attack.

[Maenara]

I don't know what else to go on, other than the fact that the teaser quite literally says 'Dark Falz Double / DF [Twins]' immediately prior to showing off this huge boss. I don't know what else we're supposed to go on.

[Renvalt]

I don't know what else to go on, other than the fact that the teaser quite literally says 'Dark Falz Double / DF [Twins]' immediately prior to showing off this huge boss. I don't know what else we're supposed to go on.

Dark Falz Double is essentially what you see - the representation of two sides of a whole. Boy and Girl.

Harukotan itself is a planet of dualities, as evidenced by not only that there are two clans (Shiro and Kuro) but that the planet itself is a Yin-Yang Orb. The line made in the middle was meant to split the two, to prevent them from ever becoming one. This is supposed to represent the whole "Light and Shadow will always be at odds, ever seeking to overcome one another".

In another way, it represents the possible stark differences between the Double Twins. They may have the whole "identical twins" shtick going on, but they are still separate genders; their outfits don't give this away at first sight though (in part because they're gender neutral, meant to represent the divide or "neutral state"). And in case you were wondering, that's standard Japanese Kindergartner uniform they're wearing - an outfit that is more or less gender neutral, given the lack of a need to truly split the gender differences THAT early.

Any "Toy" Darkers that might be boyish would belong to the Boy Half, while any Girly "Toy" Darkers would go to the Girl Half.

[Hrith]

A lot of stuff to look forward to, all in all, and finally some collaborations I give a fuck about (GGX3).

This capped class bonus intrigues me. You get a permanent stat increase for having a class at Lv75 even if you are not playing the class or even if you are playing on another character - that I understand, but what if you have the same class at Lv75 on more than one character? It may be too early to ask about this, but I hope you only get the bonus once, or players with 12+ characters will be gods >_>

[the_importer_]

A lot of stuff to look forward to, all in all, and finally some collaborations I give a fuck about (GGX3).

This capped class bonus intrigues me. You get a permanent stat increase for having a class at Lv75 even if you are not playing the class or even if you are playing on another character - that I understand, but what if you have the same class at Lv75 on more than one character? It may be too early to ask about this, but I hope you only get the bonus once, or players with 12+ characters will be gods >_>

Where did you read that the effects are permanent? I mean how do we know that once Lv80 is unlock, that we won't loose these effects until we cap our classes to LV80?

[wefwq]

A lot of stuff to look forward to, all in all, and finally some collaborations I give a fuck about (GGX3).

This capped class bonus intrigues me. You get a permanent stat increase for having a class at Lv75 even if you are not playing the class or even if you are playing on another character - that I understand, but what if you have the same class at Lv75 on more than one character? It may be too early to ask about this, but I hope you only get the bonus once, or players with 12+ characters will be gods >_>
They probably won't make it stack with same class, they're not that stupid with breaking the game even more further.

[The Walrus]

They probably won't make it stack with same class, they're not that stupid with breaking the game even more further.

debatable

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I don't fully understand this bonus.

Are they trying to make leveling all classes appealing, even if you don't play them, for a permanent stat boost?

Like If I stuck to Br/Hu, I would want to level Fi anyway?

[Asdfv]

With their wording for the class boost info using "level 75" rather than "level cap" and by going by their update trends, the boost might not be retroactively removed if the level cap ever increases and just be something akin to the current SP client orders. In contrast, their excube system announcement did use "level cap" instead.

Also, they stated that it's one boost per class (for a total of 8), so there's no need to worry about multi-character class maxing.

[LonelyGaruga]

I don't know what else to go on, other than the fact that the teaser quite literally says 'Dark Falz Double / DF [Twins]' immediately prior to showing off this huge boss. I don't know what else we're supposed to go on.


It's first-phase. It doesn't say that, but you can tell quite easily.

-It doesn't talk. Double talks.
-There was no CG cutscene. Dark Falzes get CG cutscenes in their teasers.
-It doesn't look like Double, nor does it have two forms like Double.
-It's based on an amusement park. Considering everything is a toy to Double (from planets to Magatsu to other Dark Falzes), an amusement park, the height of achievement for the sake of entertaining children, is probably the most appropriate design choice possible for a pre-boss against Double.

First three being most relevant. But more directly to what the trailer says, it says "Its name is Dark Falz [Double]" before showing the pre-boss, but if you're paying attention it's clear that the trailer is a teaser for Dark Falz [Double]. The trailer isn't showcasing Dark Falz [Double], it's building up for their appearance. It shows everything but Dark Falz [Double], to get people excited for when they make their actual appearance.

Or try to at least.

[Poyonche]

Anyone have the first teaser of Dark Falz Elder ?

[Mattykins]

I remember the first teaser for what would eventually be Loser showing only Angel. Elder was a bit before my time (like, right before I joined) so iunno, there.

[Poyonche]

Yeah I remember the teaser for Loser, it showed MB 2-5 ft. Falz Angel, it got another teaser later ft. Apos Doritos and Dark Falz Loser in a cutscene corrupting the mothership.

[Maenara]

I guess we'll all see.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Still confused about the class stat bonus. Getting a class to cap gives your characters on your account their respective permanent stat increases no matter the characters' class choice?

If I did only Fi/Hu, would getting Br to cap benefit my stats as Fi/Hu?

[Charmeleon]

Presumably that's how it'll work. It's account-wide too, so if you have a character with all classes capped, all of your new ones should start off with every class cap bonus.

[KazukiQZ]

@Maninbluejumpsuit
Seems to be the case. Your FIHU will receive 20 S/R-atk, 30 Dex, and 2 PP as permanent bonus if BR class is capped.

[Maenara]

Luckily for me, Mae has errythang capped. I wonder if you lose the bonus when a level uncap occurs.

[Perfect Chaos]

I would assume so, since they want you to play a lot more to recap them.

[MsIsotope]

Luckily for me, Mae has errythang capped. I wonder if you lose the bonus when a level uncap occurs.

Dont worry. It kicks in when you reach level 75. As long as you have the class at 75, you're good to go. No sweat.

Level 75 triggers the bonus.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Fking sega!

[Maenara]

Oh, so it's not a level cap bonus, it's a 'reach an arbitrary level on each class' bonus. Gross.

[Hrith]

Dont worry. It kicks in when you reach level 75. As long as you have the class at 75, you're good to go. No sweat.

Level 75 triggers the bonus.I understood it as a 'cap bonus', so I understood that a new level cap would cancel the bonus until all your classes are maxed again?
Like Shigure said, it's to make levelling up all classes appealing.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Like Shigure said, it's to make levelling up all classes appealing.

I really hope it's not what I think it is. Leveling all classes to cap being implied manditory for the extra PP and atk stats on the side for every class you play :sleepy:

Please no...

[KazukiQZ]

^It's not mandatory tho, it's just a bonus. Just like the excube SPCO.

At least this will encourage me to level-up GU to strengthen RA, it stayed at lv70 since EP3 debut LOL

1st account maxed classes: HU, RA, FO, GU, TE.
2nd account : All except GU lol

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

^It's not mandatory tho, it's just a bonus

May as well be when each class is potentially granting extra PP.

Fking sega's 10-year-plan.

[the_importer_]

Guys, this is what was written on the subject on class boost:
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Class Boost
Players who reach the level cap of a particular class will receive an effect that boosts certain stats.
The effect applies even when you change classes.
For Example: Braver’s Class Boost applies +2 PP / +20 S-ATK / +20 R-ATK / +30 DEX to All Classes.
This boost will apply to all characters on the account.
Let’s aim for the level cap in each class!
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Notice that they don't mention Lv75 anywhere. This could very well mean that once the level cap increases to Lv80 or whatever, that you'll need to cap all of you classes once again.

[KazukiQZ]

^Would be nice if when the level cap is raised, you got a slight bonus that added to the Lv75 bonus instead of just moving the current class cap bonus.

For example: BR lv75 give 20 R/S-atk, 2PP and 30 Dex. Leveling it to Lv80 (maybe?) give you extra 5 R/S-atk, 1PP and 10 Dex.

[Kondibon]

I can't wait until the posts ranting about how people not having all their classes maxed are the scum of the earth, and holding back human evolution. :wacko:

[Rakurai]

I thankfully only need five HU and FI levels to have everything maxed.

Guess I ought to get around to doing that sooner then later.

[wefwq]

Indeed that they never mention "REACH LEVEL 75" to gain the class bonus, they're only mention reach level cap of the said class to receive it's class bonus.

But who knows if they just make it to like "Event Items" so that once you have reach level cap once, you received the license thing and the bonus will be staying with you forever even if the cap raised again.

[GHNeko]

I can't wait until the posts ranting about how people not having all their classes maxed are the scum of the earth, and holding back human evolution. :wacko:

>implying people who dont have their SP Maxed out arent scum of the earth and are not only holding back human evolution but world peace.

[the_importer_]

Indeed that they never mention "REACH LEVEL 75" to gain the class bonus, they're only mention reach level cap of the said class to receive it's class bonus.

But who knows if they just make it to like "Event Items" so that once you have reach level cap once, you received the license thing and the bonus will be staying with you forever even if the cap raised again.

Guess we'll see in August.

[Hrith]

I can't wait until the posts ranting about how people not having all their classes maxed are the scum of the earth, and holding back human evolution. :wacko:You give me hope.

[Senshi]

I'm somewhat intrigued why sega looked at this:

[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.finestar.com/images/ranking/img_02.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

And said we need more people at lvl cap ^^;. Not complaining, just saying.

[elryan]

Honestly I think SEGA should increase the level cap a little bit more (to 80) just to give us an equal playing field versus Lv. 80 XH enemies. Those extra stats / SPs could come in handy.

Then adjust the amount of Excubes needed for the SP CO down to 2 or 3. (Because obtaining an Excube at Lv. 80 should be harder than obtaining at Lv. 75)

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I'm somewhat intrigued why sega looked at this:

[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.finestar.com/images/ranking/img_02.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

And said we need more people at lvl cap ^^;. Not complaining, just saying.

To lock the potential of bonus base PP behind leveling classes unrelated to what you're playing to cap is just stupid though.

At least in FF14 1: you never had to get another class to cap if you didn't want to play it, and 2: getting thaumaturge to 60 isn't needed to be the best paladin. Hell, you don't need to get max anything but paladin to be the best paladin if you don't want to. Yet here, it's likely we'll end up getting bonus PP for max level Fo, which only helps all 7 other classes, including Ra, and Hu, which you'd never combo with Fo.

It's just ironic that square has more of a reason to milk us for playtime than SEGA since FF14 is a sub-based mmo, yet they're not doing this. Why would SEGA do this? :sleepy:

[Maenara]

The amount of people annoyed at having to venture out of their comfort zone is too damn high.

Look at it this way, that 2 PP is either worth the work or it's not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Kondibon]

To lock the potential of bonus base PP behind leveling classes unrelated to what you're playing to cap is just stupid though.
Not when they have mags and skill trees to sell.


The amount of people annoyed at having to venture out of their comfort zone is too damn high.

Look at it this way, that 2 PP is either worth the work or it's not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Don't forget the people who just haven't gotten all their classes maxed yet but still wanna do whatever the new excube pinyata is with two of the 4 they do have maxed.

It's less about "getting out of comfort zones" and more about raising the bar even higher for people to bitch about people not being at yet that's the problem. :/

[Saagonsa]

I don't think there are many people seriously bitching about someone not having all of their class cube sp, especially since that's not something someone can see. Pretty much the same thing for this, too.

[Maenara]

Not when they have mags and skill trees to sell.

Don't forget the people who just haven't gotten all their classes maxed yet but still wanna do whatever the new excube pinyata is with two of the 4 they do have maxed.

It's less about "getting out of comfort zones" and more about raising the bar even higher for people to bitch about people not being at yet that's the problem. :/

People will have literally no way of identifying whether or not people have this bonus when it applies to every character on the same account.

[Mattykins]

I'm probably literally only going to roll x/Ra to cap my classes and just get by as a WB slave. :T

[the_importer_]

Not when they have mags and skill trees to sell.

Don't forget the people who just haven't gotten all their classes maxed yet but still wanna do whatever the new excube pinyata is with two of the 4 they do have maxed.

It's less about "getting out of comfort zones" and more about raising the bar even higher for people to bitch about people not being at yet that's the problem. :/


"excube pinyata", you made my day with that term :)