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Maenara
Jul 22, 2015, 03:51 AM
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/L5GU8jl.png[/spoiler-box]


It has things from Shironia too, as well as enemies from every area of the game. It also has the new toy darkers:

[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/wGl0H7L.png
http://i.imgur.com/4ByHeBn.png
http://i.imgur.com/Ju0QQQa.png
http://i.imgur.com/NukoXg2.png
http://i.imgur.com/8Ca6MNA.png[/spoiler-box]

Also making an appearance:
[Apprentice] Doppelganger
[Loser] Doppelganger
[Elder] Doppelganger
Falz Angel
Falz Hunar

dingophone
Jul 22, 2015, 03:55 AM
WHAT

HOLY SHIT

THIS MEANS THAT ELDER IS PROBS ALIVE

:DDDDDD

Meteor Weapon
Jul 22, 2015, 03:56 AM
And we are inside freakin Double.

[SPOILER-BOX]And holy shit Double ate the entire Kuronians population, the reason why Kuronian's attack Shironia in the first, all Kuronian's we've been fighting are mere copies under Double's control, that makes a lot of sense.

Fucking plottwist, since when did SEGA got good with it?[/SPOILER-BOX]

EvilMag
Jul 22, 2015, 04:00 AM
You mean to tell me that inside Double is quite literally Crisis City?

wefwq
Jul 22, 2015, 04:03 AM
Looks like doomsday version of urban, damn that's pretty cool actually.

Maenara
Jul 22, 2015, 04:20 AM
Looks like doomsday version of urban, damn that's pretty cool actually.

It has things from Shironia too, as well as enemies from every area of the game. It also has the new toy darkers:

[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/wGl0H7L.png
http://i.imgur.com/4ByHeBn.png
http://i.imgur.com/Ju0QQQa.png
http://i.imgur.com/NukoXg2.png
http://i.imgur.com/8Ca6MNA.png[/spoiler-box]

Renvalt
Jul 22, 2015, 04:28 AM
-snip-

A more serious question: why the hell's Luther fighting FOR YOU? I mean, I know he's alive despite the fact that Regius quite clearly bifurcated his ass, but that shouldn't excuse the BS he pulled at Oracle.

Unless.... we were fighting a clone during our previous scuffle as well?! Damn you, you shrewd kindergartners. Hope I really can give those Double brats a spanking.


Fucking plottwist, since when did SEGA got good with it?

I keep telling you guys.... if you underestimate SEGA, you will regret it. No way in hell they're ending things in a lame fashion this far in the game.

Shear
Jul 22, 2015, 04:30 AM
It has things from Shironia too, as well as enemies from every area of the game. It also has the new toy darkers:

[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/wGl0H7L.png
http://i.imgur.com/4ByHeBn.png
http://i.imgur.com/Ju0QQQa.png
http://i.imgur.com/NukoXg2.png
http://i.imgur.com/8Ca6MNA.png[/spoiler-box]
... "sees the Party Members" ...?
wat?
Wat?
WAT?
Please God no! [SPOILER-BOX]I was having a Small Party when he finally got dusted and now he's even in the Party ;_;[/SPOILER-BOX]

wefwq
Jul 22, 2015, 04:30 AM
It has things from Shironia too, as well as enemies from every area of the game. It also has the new toy darkers:

[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/wGl0H7L.png
http://i.imgur.com/4ByHeBn.png
http://i.imgur.com/Ju0QQQa.png
http://i.imgur.com/NukoXg2.png
http://i.imgur.com/8Ca6MNA.png[/spoiler-box]
Huh, Luther?
What is he doing, he still alive and being party member? is this real life?

KuroNeko77
Jul 22, 2015, 04:45 AM
A more serious question: why the hell's Luther fighting FOR YOU? I mean, I know he's alive despite the fact that Regius quite clearly bifurcated his ass, but that shouldn't excuse the BS he pulled at Oracle.

Unless.... we were fighting a clone during our previous scuffle as well?! Damn you, you shrewd kindergartners. Hope I really can give those Double brats a spanking.



I keep telling you guys.... if you underestimate SEGA, you will regret it. No way in hell they're ending things in a lame fashion this far in the game.

He's telling that because Shion isn't there anymore, he doesn't have any reason to oppose them.

But yeah, that's a really pleasant surprise.

Renvalt
Jul 22, 2015, 04:48 AM
He's telling that because Shion isn't there anymore, he doesn't have any reason to oppose them.

But yeah, that's a really pleasant surprise.

So basically, his only purpose for even existing is gone, thus he's effectively just sitting in eternal purgatory thinking about his actions.

.... Well Luther, you just got a few rating points after that. I like a guy who can take his punishment like a man. Especially when said man nearly committed genocide just so he could become a god.

KuroNeko77
Jul 22, 2015, 05:03 AM
So basically, his only purpose for even existing is gone, thus he's effectively just sitting in eternal purgatory thinking about his actions.

.... Well Luther, you just got a few rating points after that. I like a guy who can take his punishment like a man. Especially when said man nearly committed genocide just so he could become a god.

Well, About the genocide part, from what he says Shion has a great part to play in it, because she was aware of the whole Profound Darkness thing but didn't do much to prevent it.

Also, if i'm understanding right, he says that Profound Darkness is an immitation of Shion, an omnicient man-made being created by the Photoners.

Poyonche
Jul 22, 2015, 05:14 AM
I want dah next story quest nao ! D:

According to what happened, I guess we will fight Double Hunar next week.

Maenara
Jul 22, 2015, 05:30 AM
Also there's this guy:
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/0AXd8Ia.png[/spoiler-box]

Meteor Weapon
Jul 22, 2015, 05:33 AM
Elder confirmed dead I guess, and then suddenly Sega popped him out of nowhere lol

oratank
Jul 22, 2015, 05:49 AM
luther got eaten "ok am fine in here i am a photoner"
elder&apprentice got eaten "ok we are df we suppose to be under control by superior power"

double ate us "hey what the hell am i why could i still have free will in this place"


does sega want to tell some hint to us?

Kondibon
Jul 22, 2015, 05:50 AM
Elder confirmed dead I guess, and then suddenly Sega popped him out of nowhere lolThe same thing happens with Luther, clones while Luther is in with you, so it doesn't really confirm it, unless Luther gave an explanation as to why he specifically isn't dead.

wefwq
Jul 22, 2015, 05:58 AM
luther got eaten "ok am fine in here i am a photoner"
elder&apprentice got eaten "ok we are df we suppose to be under control by superior power"

double ate us "hey what the hell am i why could i still have free will in this place"


does sega want to tell some hint to us?
They trying to give us a hint that Melphonsina's husbando still ALIVEEE

Zanverse
Jul 22, 2015, 06:15 AM
So....


The whole point of the Profound Invasion EQ story related-wise is just Double showing off their new toys a.k.a Clone [Elder] and Clone [Luther]...

Rakurai
Jul 22, 2015, 06:22 AM
I hope Double will make good use of their cloning ability when they're fought in their Dark Falz form.

I'm also wondering how they intend to justify inevitably using that area for an EQ.

Poyonche
Jul 22, 2015, 06:29 AM
Also why did Double Girl looked sad when she ate us instead of Sukunahime (or after she runs away) ?

Meteor Weapon
Jul 22, 2015, 06:41 AM
She felt like she didnt eat us and felt strange that's why

Kondibon
Jul 22, 2015, 07:04 AM
So....


The whole point of the Profound Invasion EQ story related-wise is just Double showing off their new toys a.k.a Clone [Elder] and Clone [Luther]...
I just realized the lore implications of fighting elder and luther at the same time... orz





I'm also wondering how they intend to justify inevitably using that area for an EQ.Probably the same way they justified having a darker den full of Nyau.

Meteor Weapon
Jul 22, 2015, 07:14 AM
Everyone hates Nyau for some reason, but most probably due to trying to act cute but ended up being total annoyance, just like Monica

Zorua
Jul 22, 2015, 07:18 AM
Did Luther explain why he decides to stay inside of Double? I wanted him to come back and hang out...

Meteor Weapon
Jul 22, 2015, 07:25 AM
Luther probably learned all he needed during his stay in Double's inner world, with Xion gone he didn't feel the need to go out out and already lost his purpose. He'll probably come back soon who knows.

PSO2has interesting aspect of making Falzes somehow complicated characters instead of being the usual big bad guy who wants to eat/destroy the universe.

Zorua
Jul 22, 2015, 07:29 AM
Oh... Now I'm not so sure if he was really such a bad guy.

Shear
Jul 22, 2015, 07:30 AM
... his experiments and kill count says otherwise <.<

Meteor Weapon
Jul 22, 2015, 07:31 AM
He's still bad in mind, its just that he lost his purpose to be the bad guy.

Mysterious-G
Jul 22, 2015, 07:32 AM
As a personal request, I'd ask you to please not put spoilers in thread titles. The area the story quest takes place in is a huge one to me. Just something for the future, and I know it wasn't done with bad intentions.

Zorua
Jul 22, 2015, 07:35 AM
All he wanted was to be a god! Is that really so much? People like Elder now, and he blows up an entire ARKS ship every time his EQ pops up

Maenara
Jul 22, 2015, 07:38 AM
As a personal request, I'd ask you to please not put spoilers in thread titles. The area the story quest takes place in is a huge one to me. Just something for the future, and I know it wasn't done with bad intentions.

There was literally no way to make this thread with a relevant title without revealing this fact.

Mysterious-G
Jul 22, 2015, 07:44 AM
There was literally no way to make this thread with a relevant title without revealing this fact.

Discussing anything related to a story chapter in an umbrella topic with a neutral heading and a spoilertag would be a good start.

Maenara
Jul 22, 2015, 07:52 AM
That would be to imply that the new area is less interesting than the chapter itself, which may be true to some people, but more people are going to care about the new area.

Mysterious-G
Jul 22, 2015, 08:00 AM
That would be to imply that the new area is less interesting than the chapter itself, which may be true to some people, but more people are going to care about the new area.

If you just cared to raise awareness of a new area, then there was no need for you to include the information about Luther being alive, as that has no relation to the area as is, but is a pretty grave spoiler anyhow, and as can already be seen turned this topic into a story chapter discussion, rather than a discussion of the new area.

wefwq
Jul 22, 2015, 08:06 AM
New map, when BGM turned off you could hear a kid giggling from distance.. fuck it's kind of creepy.
The map overall reminds me of Alice: Madness Returns.

Maenara
Jul 22, 2015, 08:09 AM
If you just cared to raise awareness of a new area, then there was no need for you to include the information about Luther being alive, as that has no relation to the area as is, but is a pretty grave spoiler anyhow, and as can already be seen turned this topic into a story chapter discussion, rather than a discussion of the new area.

Context is a thing.

Meteor Weapon
Jul 22, 2015, 08:13 AM
Title name "Newest story quest takes place in Darker Den MK2(Story spoilers)+Has new toy darkers"

Story Spoilers
Story Spoilers

Story Spoilers

Story Spoilers

Story Spoilers

Maenara
Jul 22, 2015, 08:16 AM
If you just cared to raise awareness of a new area, then there was no need for you to include the information about Luther being alive, as that has no relation to the area as is, but is a pretty grave spoiler anyhow, and as can already be seen turned this topic into a story chapter discussion, rather than a discussion of the new area.

Are you happy, child?

Mysterious-G
Jul 22, 2015, 08:22 AM
Are you happy, child?

I've been spoiled already, but others might be thankful. Glad you understood.

Rakurai
Jul 22, 2015, 08:23 AM
I think it would've been best to just mention that there's a new area in the story quest without describing what it's like at all...

In any case, it's a change of pace for them to not formally announce every part of an update prior to its release. They didn't drop any clues about a new field, nor did they bother mentioning that you'd be fighting Double in chapter 3-6.

Shinamori
Jul 22, 2015, 08:35 AM
Well, you didn't have to read the thread...

Rakurai
Jul 22, 2015, 08:41 AM
The title itself was kind of a spoiler to begin with, considering that everything indicated the next story quest would take place in Kuronia.

Oh well. It's not like I don't willfully spoil myself on a regular basis, anyways.

infiniteeverlasting
Jul 22, 2015, 08:42 AM
No need for that "spoiler" warning. It spoiled nothing.


CUZ THERE AIN'T SHIT TO SPOIL IN DEEZ GAMEEEEEE

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TiYmLqmha44/hqdefault.jpg


I have a really hard time taking pso2's story seriously. Been playing Witcher 3 Nonstop (game has the strongest story and level of immersion I've ever experienced) and only log on to do TA's and change up character outfit.

TaigaUC
Jul 22, 2015, 11:39 AM
Those screenshots look like Siren + the first Broly movie. Or something else with floating debris.
The red water and ruined Japanese buildings totally looks like Siren (http://www.destructoid.com/elephant/ul/90838-22222222222222222222222222222.jpg) though.

The inner universe thing kinda reminds me of Full Metal Alchemist's Envy.

Ezodagrom
Jul 22, 2015, 12:17 PM
There was literally no way to make this thread with a relevant title without revealing this fact.
"<Story Spoilers> New area and new enemies"

This wouldn't spoil anything about it for those who care about the story and don't want to be spoiled from the title.

Shinamori
Jul 22, 2015, 01:09 PM
Thid whole story reminded me...
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/0/04/InnardsOfBuu.png

silo1991
Jul 22, 2015, 03:34 PM
the only thing im still wondering is , luther is still a dark falz ? or in the moment double ate luther somehow he got purified O_o

Maenara
Jul 22, 2015, 03:42 PM
"<Story Spoilers> New area and new enemies"

This wouldn't spoil anything about it for those who care about the story and don't want to be spoiled from the title.

How about just not reading anything that contains the words 'Story' and 'Spoiler' hm?

Kondibon
Jul 22, 2015, 03:54 PM
How about just not reading anything that contains the words 'Story' and 'Spoiler' hm?They're making perfectly valid points about the title though. I can't imagine avoiding an entire thread title the whole time.

Sayara
Jul 22, 2015, 04:17 PM
"Story Spoiler Chapter 3-5"

also jesus its horrifying

Kondibon
Jul 22, 2015, 04:26 PM
also jesus its horrifying
I'm not the only one who heard the giggling in the background right? ._. It was really noticeable whenever luther was talking

Sayara
Jul 22, 2015, 04:37 PM
That and the enemies screams
The big house one in particular is just terrifying.

LonelyGaruga
Jul 22, 2015, 04:40 PM
How about just not reading anything that contains the words 'Story' and 'Spoiler' hm?


There was literally no way to make this thread with a relevant title without revealing this fact.

Please stop being stubborn. As it is now, it's impossible to even look at the PSO2 General section without being spoiled. I've actually had to tell people not to look at PSO-W to avoid spoilers. This is dumb.

"Chapter 3-5's new area *SPOILERS*"
"Chapter 3-5 discussion *SPOILERS*"
*SPOILERS* New area, enemies in Chapter 3-5"

Any of this stuff would work. Please change it.

BIG OLAF
Jul 22, 2015, 04:42 PM
Why would anyone care about spoilers to this already horrendous story?

Now the player is going "inside" Double?

How much more animu can this get? Fuckin' A.

Zanverse
Jul 22, 2015, 04:48 PM
^Ah yes. Because we definitely needed your opinion.

Sayara
Jul 22, 2015, 04:51 PM
To be fair, people DO actually like the story. Much like one wouldn't spoil Game of Thrones or whatever tv series they know others of the same community watch, even if you particuarly don't care about it.

Poyonche
Jul 22, 2015, 04:54 PM
The Double Den is the creepiest place of PSO2.
Those giggles, those monsters, watching at everything in the area (and the enemies spawn) you can know everything it has eaten. (Never forget Garongos)

Double is definitely the creepiest dude of PSO universe.

BIG OLAF
Jul 22, 2015, 05:29 PM
^Ah yes. Because we definitely needed your opinion.

Irrelevant whether it's needed or not - this is a forum and I can post what I wish.

Also, anyone else feel like this is like a backwards way for SEGA to put the players "inside" a loli and/or shota (Double)?

:wacko:

dingophone
Jul 22, 2015, 06:13 PM
Irrelevant whether it's needed or not - this is a forum and I can post what I wish.

Also, anyone else feel like this is like a backwards way for SEGA to put the players "inside" a loli and/or shota (Double)?

:wacko:
Honestly, no, that hadn't even crossed my mind until you mentioned it. Projecting much?

Shinamori
Jul 22, 2015, 06:29 PM
The story got better after Episode 2.

Meteor Weapon
Jul 22, 2015, 06:31 PM
Did anyone recorded Double Den's BGM?

Zanverse
Jul 22, 2015, 06:32 PM
Anyway... Ignoring all of the stuff above and going back on topic; What's up with that broken core in the background of the Inner Universe? Is that the planet that Double ate at the beginning of Ep3? And also, Kuronians seem to worship Buddha gods like Magatsu... Theory; maybe there's other Magatsu-like beings on Harukotan. What if there's a Shironian Magatsu? Magatsu-Yin and Magatsu-Yang.

Zanverse
Jul 22, 2015, 06:33 PM
Did anyone recorded Double Den's BGM?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfdnu_KvNJw&index=3&list=FLmQRhyIbc5CzdA_gfsJPjPQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P28Pp53npJo&index=2&list=FLmQRhyIbc5CzdA_gfsJPjPQ

KazukiQZ
Jul 22, 2015, 06:39 PM
^Much thanks.

Meteor Weapon
Jul 22, 2015, 06:51 PM
Wow thanks~

Kondibon
Jul 22, 2015, 07:12 PM
The big house one in particular is just terrifying.I have to admit, I felt a little giddy at the fact that it makes a dinging noise if you hit the weak head though.

Sayara
Jul 22, 2015, 07:50 PM
Its the death scream that put me over the edge aaaaaa

SakuRei
Jul 23, 2015, 02:10 AM
This... Everything here, it's good intel and plot material. I don't mind spoilers at all, It keeps me... Motivated.

Damn, I wanna do Ep. 03 story mode, too bad it's not that fully translated yet. *so much jelly*

wefwq
Jul 23, 2015, 02:45 AM
Does PSO2 dev finally goes full Rise of Nightmares mode or something, the entire map and the new enemies in there are pretty muh horrifying for PSO2 standards.
And is there any new drop from those new enemies?


Its the death scream that put me over the edge aaaaaa
Try to put your BGM down to 0, you'll hear something.

Rakurai
Jul 23, 2015, 03:37 AM
I don't recall any of the enemies actually dropping items.

In any case, I look forward to seeing how creepy true form Double looks, since their smaller form is already pretty unsettling, especially after they fuse together.

Poyonche
Jul 23, 2015, 04:06 AM
It would have been fun to see a Magatsu flying in the sky of Double Den.

Cyber Meteor
Jul 23, 2015, 06:17 AM
Double never ate Magatsu, so it's very unlikely for him to be in the Double den :-P and i'm not sure if it would have been fitting at all tbh

Also, i saw some posts about the Double den music, but nothing about Kuronia music, so i'll post it here (crossposting from Screen&Video thread)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hym6-JdF6Rk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hym6-JdF6Rk

Sayara
Jul 23, 2015, 06:46 AM
Does PSO2 dev finally goes full Rise of Nightmares mode or something, the entire map and the new enemies in there are pretty muh horrifying for PSO2 standards.
And is there any new drop from those new enemies?


Try to put your BGM down to 0, you'll hear something.

I know about that. I heardit in the cut scenes as well.
The darker's moaning noise being so high pitched and such just really puts me on edge. The other larger car darker's noise was amusing at least, like a motor bursting but...

Well i had the same issue with the suplex bird darkers from Facility as well that Aaaaarraaaaghhhhh noise
I guess for some context, "My Heaven" from Silent Hill 1 also drives me off the wall for the same reasons as above. lol

dingophone
Jul 23, 2015, 07:29 AM
Double never ate Magatsu, so it's very unlikely for him to be in the Double den :-P and i'm not sure if it would have been fitting at all tbh

Also, i saw some posts about the Double den music, but nothing about Kuronia music, so i'll post it here (crossposting from Screen&Video thread)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hym6-JdF6Rk

Ah, [Double] is still trying to eat him then?

Zanverse
Jul 23, 2015, 07:29 AM
Kuronia's Calm BGM is pretty royal-like and soothing. Awesome. Can't wait to hear the Battle theme.

BTW, ever notice that Shironia never had a PSE Burst theme...?

dingophone
Jul 23, 2015, 07:33 AM
Probably because getting PSE bursts on that map is such a task they didn't even bother :P

Also, what is the deal with the Kuronite king?

Maenara
Jul 23, 2015, 07:34 AM
Ah, [Double] is still trying to eat him then?

[Double] consumed a fraction of Magatsu's power which had escaped through Magatsu's seal.

The Magatsus we fight are simply clones made from the fraction of the power [Double] absorbed. The reason they're marching on the Shirionan Fortress is that they're attempting to reach Magatsu's seal so that they can break it and let the actual Magatsu out...which would allow Double to promptly consume it and clone the full-power Magatsu as much as they'd like.

Cyber Meteor
Jul 23, 2015, 07:36 AM
Yeah i noticed that Shironia never had a PSE burst theme, and Kuronia probably won't tbh. However there are some parts of the battle music from Shironia that only plays while a special weather is in effect, it's pretty noticeable, the flute does crazy solos during those. Anyway, as for battle music from Kuronia there have been some excerpt (maybe the full version) from the summer EQ trailer and the free field Kuronia trailer (it's an alternative version of the music).

dingophone
Jul 23, 2015, 07:59 AM
[Double] consumed a fraction of Magatsu's power which had escaped through Magatsu's seal.

The Magatsus we fight are simply clones made from the fraction of the power [Double] absorbed. The reason they're marching on the Shirionan Fortress is that they're attempting to reach Magatsu's seal so that they can break it and let the actual Magatsu out...which would allow Double to promptly consume it and clone the full-power Magatsu as much as they'd like.

That seems... not good.

Meteor Weapon
Jul 23, 2015, 08:25 AM
Also, what is the deal with the Kuronite king?

He already got eaten way before the trio planned to meet him, probably even before EP3 started and the one we met is a mere copy and all Kuronions we fought are probably mere copies, Double ate them all, which is the sole reason why Sukunahime didn't get a reply from him, if I heard what Sukunahime said right. Since they didn't get any reply they planned on meeting him face to face. I might be wrong.

Kayarine
Jul 25, 2015, 07:44 AM
I decided to try translating some of this story quest because of that very interesting chap that joins us, for my own benefit. Since there are people interested in knowing why he joins us, I figured I should share my translation.

WARNING: I'm not fluent in Japanese; I'm still learning. I translated this with a huge help of a dictionary and employing what I know of Japanese grammar. There MAY be errors in this translation. If someone better at Japanese than me spots something translated incorrectly, please correct me. Also there are spots I just plain didn't understand well enough to translate. I don't have much experience either, so the TL might sound weird in English.

Starting solely from after the player and Matoi get eaten. I figure the parts before that are easy to understand based on what has been posted on this thread so far.

[spoiler-box]The first cutscene in the new area
[spoiler-box](Matoi)
[Player]...
...Where are we?

(???)
...Well well, if it isn't some
seriously nostalgic faces.

(Matoi)
That voice is...!

(Luther)
Indeed, meeting again in this
place is unexpected...
((I'm not sure how to translate the rest))

(Matoi)
...Luther!

(Luther)
Woah, would you stop that?
I didn't come to this place
to fight you.

<The player has the choices of "What is this place?" and "Why are you still alive?">

<"What is this place?" response>
(Luther)
Even without asking, surely you know?
This is inside [Double]'s stomach.
That Dark Falz's inner universe.

Both you and me got eaten, you see.
By Dark Falz [Double].

<"Why are you still alive?" response>
(Luther)
Haha, you ask a strange question.
Under these circumstances, would you
say that I'm alive?

This is [Double]'s inner universe.
Both you and me got eaten,
which means we're inside a miserable stomach.
((Not entirely sure on this.))

<After either dialogue branch>
(Luther)
Nonetheless, I'm not particularly displeased.
The experience of entering a Dark Falz
isn't something that can be had easily.
((Not sure about this either.))

If you end up getting used to it,
why, it's quite fun.

Besides, I don't have any interest in the outside anymore.
Xion is gone... I have no interest
in a world without omniscience.

Do you understand, young lady?
I no longer have a reason to oppose you.
...So, could you lower your weapon?

Thank you.
Well then, while still carrying your weapons,
I would like you to follow me.

Although there are a few dangers,
this is quite an interesting place.
I'll guide you since it's so troublesome.[/spoiler-box]


The field conversation after the first cutscene
[spoiler-box](Luther)
First off, I would like you to follow this road.
While enjoying this space, yes?

<Upon encountering the first Darkers>
(Matoi)
There are a lot of small Darkers...!

(Luther)
Yes, better be careful about those.
They embrace and self-destruct.
It's a quite amusing Darker.

<After defeating them>
(Matoi)
If there are a lot of these Darkers,
it could be troublesome...

<After defeating the oceanids at the first crossroad>
(Luther)
It's better to go north.
Because going the other way will just circle around.
Whether you trust me, I'll leave it up to you.

(Matoi)
...I wonder if there's no choice but to believe now.

<If ignoring Luther's directions>
(Luther)
Fufu, you won't trust me.
Oh well, there's no stopping that.

This is the path you chose.
The obstacles are also your responsibility.
Please crush them yourselves.

<After clearing the enemies>
(Luther)
This is leading back to the original path.
In other words, it turns out we're still advancing
towards the path I indicated... What will you do?
((I'm not entirely sure if this is how it's supposed to be translated.))

<If still ignoring Luther's directions>
(Luther)
Sigh... It's sad how, to this point, my kindness
hasn't been taken into consideration.

I already said there's no benefit in
deceiving you here.
((I don't understand what exactly he's saying afterwards,
but it's something about being unable to change their minds, I think.))

<After defeating the enemies>
(Luther)
It seems like you've defeated everything here.
Shall we move on?

((At the next crossroad, rabbit toy darkers spawn and Luther explains them. Too lazy to translate that though.))

(Luther)
You should go towards that light.
We'll probably find more interesting things.

<If Luther's directions are ignored>
((I don't remember the context of this, so I can't translate properly.
But Luther comments that they're even more stubborn than expected.))

<Once insect darkers spawn while ignoring Luther's directions>
(Luther)
[Apprentice]'s Darkers are increasing.
In that case, up ahead is...

<Once [Apprentice] Doppelganger spawns>
(Luther)
A doppelganger appeared?
I see, that's what [Apprentice]'s
Darkers appearing means.

(Matoi)
...[Apprentice]!

<After the doppelganger is defeated>
(Matoi)
...We have to defeat the remaining Darkers![/spoiler-box]


The second cutscene
[spoiler-box](Luther)
How's it? Isn't it fascinating?
This is [Double]'s inner universe.
A congregation of the things that got eaten, a chaotic space.

If you've fought them, you must have
seen their ability too.
The ability to clone their prey.

Summoning the things that are born in
the inner universe into the real world.

Perhaps it could be called a parallel universe.
Capture it, arrange it, summon it.
...Ahh, examining it is so fascinating.

With this information, I could make
even better clones...!

(Matoi)
Silence!
I'll never forgive you for Xion's death...!

Toying with ARKS, bringing everyone pain,
it's all because of you...!

(Luther)
"Bringing everyone pain"?
If that's the case, why didn't
Xion stop me?

(Matoi)
...Huh?

(Luther)
She's an entity that surpasses people.
Even though I was in control,
she probably had the means to intervene.

And yet, she didn't intervene with
neither the creation of ARKS nor clones.

On the contrary, she produced the
ultimate existance herself.

(Matoi)
...Ultimate existance?

<At this point, the player silently objects to Luther talking about it.>

(Luther)
...Well, it doesn't matter now.
Just, don't forget.

The fact is, before ARKS was created,
this world was already Darker territory.[/spoiler-box]


Field conversation after second cutscene
[spoiler-box](Matoi)
We need to leave this space quickly...
Let's hurry up!
[Player]!

<House toy darker spawns. Luther gives tips on how to defeat it but too lazy to translate.>

(Luther)
It's better to go north.
Whether you follow my instructions or not
is up to you.

((If Luther's directions are ignored again, I don't remember the context so I can't translate it properly. But he comments on the repulsive things [Double] ate.))

<Upon teleporting and getting ambushed by bear and rabbit darkers>
(Matoi)
...!?

(Luther)
An ambush, is what they're doing.
Doesn't that just turn your head?
((Not really sure on how to translate this.))

<After defeating them>
(Luther)
East.
No words are needed beyond that, yes?

<If Luther's directions are ignored>
(Luther)
Won't you listen to my advice for once?
This is a roundabout way.
I recommend the way I instructed.

This is what happens when you don't listen to my advice.
...Ah yes, if you use the turret over there,
couldn't you mount a counterattack?

Oh, they're still coming.
They have quite a spirit.

You really like to take your time, don't you?
Or I wonder if you're doing it to spite me.

Well, all enemies have been defeated.
Let's keep going, even though this is
a roundabout way.

<Once bird darkers spawn>
(Luther)
Fufufu... I see, I see.
Are they going to appear here?

You have a quite good taste, don't you, [Double]?

<Once Loser doppelgangers spawn>
Hm, my clones were made with a discerning eye.
However, isn't the quality really bad?

<Once Falz Angel spawns>
(Matoi)
Even that...

(Luther)
Oh, even when preying under those circumstances,
you can still clone up to this point?
Impressive, [Double].

((I'm not sure what Luther is saying after Falz Angel is defeated.))

((Car darkers spawn, Luther explains, I'm too lazy, etc etc))

(Luther)
It's better to go east.
Feel free to wander around if you want.

<If headed into dead end instead of following directions>
(Luther)
Seriously... Even though this place had some amusement in it,
is it fine to do this at your leisure?

<After the Caterdran is defeated>
(Luther)
Come now, return to the path I guided you.
You can't go wrong with going east from here.

<If going south instead of following directions>
(Luther)
I wonder if you enjoy taking detours like this.
Oh well, I won't stop you.
We have time, since it's close to infinite.

It seems like we can't turn back.
Let's keep going this way.

<Once Elder doppelganger spawns in detour route>
(Luther)
...I see, [Elder] doppelganger.
((Not sure what he says after this. Talking about his Darkers
appearing beforehand, I believe.))

<Once Falz Hunar is defeated>
Is this a display of having eaten [Elder] as well?
At this rate, this is a poor quality doppelganger.
...Did you really eat all of them?

Besides yourself, didn't you eat all of them?
What now, huh, [Double]?

((Interesting to note that the Elder doppelganger talks exactly like Hunar, just in a more Gettemhart-like voice. He also lacks a lightning weakness.))[/spoiler-box]


The third cutscene
[spoiler-box](Luther)
You're making a scary face, young lady.
Is it because you're discontent with the
facts stated earlier?

(Matoi)
Obviously...!
Speaking of the origin, you Photoners were
the source of the Darkers' creation.

(Luther)
But, that which became the origin of all Darkers,
[The Profound Darkness]'s creation, is deemed to be
Xion, young lady.

At that time, she probably would have noticed.
With her calculation abilities, she could have
predicted the future to some degree.

Such as the consequences of [The Profound Darkness]'
creation and what would become of the Photoners.
And know the results.

Because the Photoners were fighting [The Profound Darkness],
they lost their powers of controlling photons,
and ARKS was created.

Even though [The Profound Darkness] was sealed away,
Dark Falz remained.

Thus, ARKS and Darkers have always been fighting.
Even now, they continue to fight.
A pointless fight, you see.

(Matoi)
It's not pointless!

(Luther)
No, it is pointless, young lady.

...Each Dark Falz bears
a respective desire.

And then, that desire is influenced by
that which they're drawn to, being further distorted.

[Elder] should be easy to understand, right?
As a result of being influenced so strongly,
he has forgotten his true purpose, seeking only conflict.

[Apprentice] as well, [Loser]...
Me, well, there wasn't much difference.

But, only [Double] is different.
Only [Double] wields that strength to
realize their true purpose.

(Matoi)
True purpose...?

(Luther)
It has been decided.
[The Profound Darkness]' revival.

A way of one-handedly reviving [The Profound Darkness].
Which is to eat all the Dark Falz.

If the Darkers' origins are all gathered equally,
[The Profound Darkness] will be revived before long.

Think about it.
[Double] has eaten [Apprentice] and [Loser].
Then probably also ate [Elder].

The countdown has already begun.

The countdown until this world's destruction
due to [The Profound Darkness]' revival.

<Here the player is given a choice to say "Then we need to defeat [The Profound Darkness]" or "Defeat [Double] before that happens">

((I only know what he says about defeating Double since I never selected defeating PD.))

<Response to defeating Double>
(Luther)
Indeed, that's the only way to do it.
If [The Profound Darkness] is revived,
it can create as many Dark Falz as it wishes.

Even just [Double] would be a difficult battle.
You have no chance of winning.

Moreover, I'd like to remind you that
you're currently situated
in [Double]'s stomach.

(Matoi)
...I don't understand.
What in the world is [The Profound Darkness]?
Why was such a thing made?

(Luther)
...[The Profound Darkness] is an imitation of Xion.
Produced by the Photoners to be
an artificial Akashic Record.

Bearing the ability to calculate and gifted with
judgment through photons, it acted as a management
agent for everything. An artificial
Akashic Record because of mankind's sloth.

But, mankind back then was nearing the end of its civilization.
At the peak of its sloth, a negative emotion got mixed in
during the course of making it. That's what produced it.

Photons are strongly affected by emotions.
The more of them there is, the more drastic the
change caused by them is due to changes in underlying emotions.

As a result, [The Profound Darkness] became
an incarnation of negativity, giving birth to Darkers.
In order to destroy the universe.

You asked me, didn't you, young lady?
"Why was such a thing made?"
I, too, tried asking that.

If destruction was foreseen midway
through its creation,
why didn't she stop it?

But, now I understand her feelings a little.

Most likely, she would answer
..."because I was lonely."

((I realize this explanation about PD sounds confusing,
but I'm not entirely sure on how to translate it. _(:3」∠)_))[/spoiler-box]


Last cutscene/field quote
[spoiler-box]<Field line>
(Luther)
There's a Darker presence.
Furthermore, it's a considerably powerful one.
...Are you really prepared?

<Cutscene>
(Luther)
...Well then, up to now I was
telling you about the outside world.

I intended to tell you about
[The Profound Darkness]' revival.
Which means guaranteed destruction.

That is, a world where only pain exists.
...Even so, are you willing to go back?

<The player is given the choice to respond with no hesitation or look at Matoi.>

<Response to agreeing without hesitation>
(Luther)
...Fufu, very amusing.

<Response to looking at Matoi>
(Matoi)
...There's no need to hesitate.
[Player].

Our place to be
...isn't here.

<After either dialogue branch>

(Luther)
...If that is so, you should leave.
Here is the end of the universe.

Prepare Clarissa, gather strength.
Defeat Darkers, devour Darkers.
It looks just like that time.

(Matoi)
Because of that, can I create a path?
((Unsure of how exactly to translate this line.))

(Luther)
It's impossible for me, but
if it's you, it's possible.
Because you are ARKS.

Go forth, masterpieces.*
Show me how fun an uncertain world
which has lost omniscience can be.

((* Although Luther verbally says 「最高傑作」, which means "masterpiece" and is present in
the quest's JP name, the text says 『出来損ない』 instead, which is also in the quest's name,
which translates to "failure" or "badly made".))[/spoiler-box][/spoiler-box]

Yukimaru
Jul 25, 2015, 09:47 AM
-snip-

Really apprpreciate the translations, thanks a bunch for taking the time to do so! Despite not having played the chapter yet, I got super curious to -know- why he was back, as well as his intentions, considering I have 0 japanese. Glad to see he's sorta on our side now~

Poyonche
Jul 25, 2015, 09:59 AM
[SPOILER]The countdown until this world's destruction
due to [The Profound Darkness]' revival.

<Here the player is given a choice to say "Then we need to defeat [The Profound Darkness]" or "Defeat [Double] before that happens">

<Response to defeating Double>
(Luther)
Indeed, that's the only way to do it.
If [The Profound Darkness] is revived,
it can create as many Dark Falz as it wishes.[/SPOILER-BOX]

So it may explain why they already put some textures of df_abyss (aka Profound Darkness). And could go with the theory of some people : "What if Double was actually the first phase of the EQ coming ? And Profound Darknes the second phase.", however it may sounds a little bit too early to bring out Profound Darkness.

LonelyGaruga
Jul 25, 2015, 12:02 PM
Oh yeah, about that. I'm surprised Mae didn't post this yet but I was talking with her recently and she found this while browsing the files (copy pasting exactly as she formatted it to me).

DpAbyssChar ProtagonistEnemy enemy/en_dp_abyss_char.ice

It's not 100% confirmation since it could be a clone (abyss Matoi could also be a clone, and Abyss could refer to Double's inner universe or something, it was never 100% stated that abyss was indeed the Profound Darkness, just a strong likelihood), but I'm leaning toward Persona being dp_abyss now.

Dycize
Jul 25, 2015, 12:08 PM
I figured I'd talk about this, but there's one random event tablet with Leda (yes) where we approach him while he's looking away and he starts freaking out like "WHOA AN ENNEMY NOO- Oh wait it's you? I swear I felt a darker creeping up on me!".
Can't remember much what he says after but... I can't help but get the feeling that this is gonna end up more important (probably another hint that something wrong's happening with us).

Shear
Jul 25, 2015, 12:31 PM
I figured I'd talk about this, but there's one random event tablet with Leda (yes) where we approach him while he's looking away and he starts freaking out like "WHOA AN ENNEMY NOO- Oh wait it's you? I swear I felt a darker creeping up on me!".
Can't remember much what he says after but... I can't help but get the feeling that this is gonna end up more important (probably another hint that something wrong's happening with us).
I read that toot, his actually gives some fodder for my self made epileptic Trees :p (Yes I have too much time)
There is also the the thing that we where fine in Double's Stomach (Matoi's no surprise since ... you know but for all we know we "should" be normal) and the thing about how Persona can exist or more, how can we exist.
To explain, No matter how we jump through Time there where never 2 of use.
While it seems that stuff we do somehow happens even if we do something else later it's not as if for example there are suddenly 4 of us in the ARKS Tournament for example.
Yet we can meet and fight Persona who claims to be our Future self, by the way it went before he should either replace us or we replace him.
It could be that Sega didn't think this through or that Persona is different since he's practically a Dark Falz ... or that Persona isn't actually our Future self
I stop here before I get laughed at :p

Poyonche
Jul 25, 2015, 12:33 PM
^Actually, I'm pretty sure Persona is a Dark Falz because its hairs are black + purple, a little like Elder's. I'm also sure it is our future ourself because Xiao says he has the same parameters as us and he detects evidence of time travel.



Oh yeah, about that. I'm surprised Mae didn't post this yet but I was talking with her recently and she found this while browsing the files (copy pasting exactly as she formatted it to me).

DpAbyssChar ProtagonistEnemy enemy/en_dp_abyss_char.ice

It's not 100% confirmation since it could be a clone (abyss Matoi could also be a clone, and Abyss could refer to Double's inner universe or something, it was never 100% stated that abyss was indeed the Profound Darkness, just a strong likelihood), but I'm leaning toward Persona being dp_abyss now.

Mmh , are there other things which has "ProtagonistEnemy" in it ?
Also, isn't Persona called maskman in the files ?
And now that Double ate us, even if we got out, it is possible it makes clones of us ? If yes, the Matoi clone could be the one that turn into Profound Darkness, maybe.

Kayarine
Jul 25, 2015, 12:46 PM
(Thread title already has spoiler warning in it so I won't bother spoilering anything else. _(:3」∠)_)

The player and Matoi being fine in Double's stomach might be thanks to Luther. He's the only one who's still 'alive' in there, which is speculated to be due to his photoner status.
The other possible explanation is that the player and Matoi were related to Xion in some way (as was Luther,) but I personally think it was Luther's thing.

As for creating clones, it's possible that Double can only clone the things they actually 'digest'.
Luther has returned to his original form when inside Double. I speculate that Double 'digested' his DF powers/side but Luther himself managed to stay intact, which is why his clones have nearly no personality, compared to Apprentice's or even Elder's.
(In case people don't know, all that Loser's clones say is 'kill kill kill!' and insane laughter.)

Shear
Jul 25, 2015, 01:09 PM
^Actually, I'm pretty sure Persona is a Dark Falz because its hairs are black + purple, a little like Elder's. I'm also sure it is our future ourself because Xiao says he has the same parameters as us and he detects evidence of time travel.




Mmh , are there other things which has "ProtagonistEnemy" in it ?
Also, isn't Persona called maskman in the files ?
And now that Double ate us, even if we got out, it is possible it makes clones of us ? If yes, the Matoi clone could be the one that turn into Profound Darkness, maybe.
His/Her Hair is Normal when Persona drops the Mask so that' no Guarantee, though he uses Darker Powers like that Teleport and Apprentice thought he is a Falz.
Good point about the Clones though.
as mentioned it's mostly just my Epileptic Trees growing :D , either way I believe we will know at the 29 :)

Cyber Meteor
Jul 25, 2015, 03:00 PM
@Shear & Poyonche I got the opposite opinion about Persona, like i heavily doubt he's our future self, in fact i think he's our "present-self" in a Dark Falz version for multiplie reasons :

1) At multiple encounters, he tried to kill us. If he was able to succeed in that, he would kill himself too if he was our future-self, but he's like not worried at all that could happen (as it won't kill him)

2) He doesn't know the Clarissa's fragment emplacement like the main char (he would know their position otherwise)

3) The evidence of time travelling have some strong implication by itself because our char doesn't have innate ability to time travel, it's Xiao that allow others ppl to travel through time and he must regive the ability for each time-travel mission (even if he only gave that to the main char). However Persona can't time travel on its own but he definitly can travel in time if we do (Elder's revival, Apprentice assault 10 years ago), but i still can't get how giving MC ability to time travel gives it to him (i guess it just happens automatically).


The other thing i still can't get is why Claris claes Matoi would be the host of Profound Darkness and awaken him by just being injured with the sword of Persona. Not only that but PD was already sealed in first place but in what or where? CC Matoi has tremendous power, more than needed for a Dark Falz (she can seal a DF in few seconds) so, sure it's a good host for something has powerful as PD, but if it was just Matoi's power and an injury from Darker power that is required to unseal PD, that would mean he was more created than unsealed and Matoi acted as a catalyst.

But now, we got those lines about PD being revived by merging all DF into one body (Double in this case), and killing Double would be sufficient to prevent PD revival (accordig to Luther). So then what's the point of Persona's attempt to kill Matoi if killing Double is enough (and Persona definitly doesn't care about others DF), it's like there are now 2 ways to kill PD instead of one. And there is still that seal even Luther mentions but we still don't know where it is or what form it has.:-? and none of those ways of killing PD implies there is even a seal to break (or the seals are useless then).

All in all, i honestly don't think we got enough element to figure out what Persona is actually, and currently any theory we try to make can be countered by some events in the game, no matter if he's our future self, our present self, or an old theory i had which implied Persona being the PD seal himself, and anything else. We'll probably have to wait for Episode 4 to know more about him since there is a good chance he'll be the main char of a new episode :p

Poyonche
Jul 25, 2015, 03:31 PM
1) At multiple encounters, he tried to kill us. If he was able to succeed in that, he would kill himself too if he was our future-self, but he's like not worried at all that could happen (as it won't kill him)

Yeah i thought about that but I derped and didn't talk about it. :wacko:

You said he doesn't care about other Falz, but he saved Elder from Maria right ? (or it was to don't make things too easy for us)

Also, there is a "DF speech" type voice files for Henrietta about "A fight to prevent a fragment of Profound Darkness to be released" or something like that. I'll upload it 2secs. :3

Edit : This should work (thanks DropBox for giving me up) -> http://www.filedropper.com/11soundvoicenavi06
Nvm, here is the dropbox link : https://www.dropbox.com/s/0xdgfw7zte8clbo/11_sound_voice_navi06.rar?dl=0

Shear
Jul 25, 2015, 06:04 PM
Well why Persona is a Falz I thought that either he got hit with enough Darker Energy to make him one or Matoi tried turning him/her into one after going evil since s/he was important to her.
Being a Falz might have turned him into a Different Being that is not connected to old us, that way s/he can kill us but on the other Hand s/he won't suddenly gain Knowledge about events that did not happen in his/her Timeline.
It would also explain why s/he won't replace us like I mentioned ... and his Surprise when s/he saw us the first Time in Chapter 1.
... I hate Time Travel plots -.-

Are we sure that Xiao has to give the Time Travel Ability to us every time? I think I remember one Story Quest where it was a Big Deal that we went ourselves (the one we saved Ulk I believe)

As for why Persona saved Elder yet tried to kill Matoi, going by this Story Quest all Falzes are Parts of the PF so maybe killing Elder might actually return that Part (or make it easier for Double to devour).
Or he might be necessary for a Future Event, after all Elder went against Double.

Cyber Meteor
Jul 25, 2015, 08:33 PM
You said he doesn't care about other Falz, but he saved Elder from Maria right ? (or it was to don't make things too easy for us)


On the other hand he litterally helps Matoi to destroy old Apprentice by killing the arks that fell under her control.:-P Like why did he do that while he could have backstabed her in front of Apprentice (even if we can guess apprentice would have been upset then)? It's pretty evident he acts with his own objective in mind and whatever it implies to reach it he'll do it (including saving some DF or killing others when required). As for elder, whether he's our present or future self, it's easy to figure out it was so Loser didn't noticed an alteration in the timeline (it's said he's able to notice that thing, but i don't know how he can know that since he can't travel in time:-?).

Poyonche
Jul 26, 2015, 03:05 AM
Demn why the MC didn't ask anything about Persona to Luther ? ;-;

LonelyGaruga
Jul 26, 2015, 05:23 AM
Luther doesn't know anything about Persona because they're from an alternate timeline. Note that Luther doesn't say a word about them even while discussing the motivation of every Dark Falz. If Luther had anything to say about Persona, he most likely would have mentioned it.

By the way, since people seem to have misunderstood, Luther never actually said anything about defeating Double also resulting in the Profound Darkness being defeated. He said that Double will gather the Dark Falzes to try to revive the Profound Darkness now, and to prevent that from happening, Double needs to be defeated. This was never said to be the only way to revive the Profound Darkness, and there's no given reason to believe (or not to believe) that the Profound Darkness' seal won't simply just weaken sufficiently with time.

Dycize
Jul 26, 2015, 06:56 AM
Persona saving CC Matoi then stabbing her always stood out to me as a psychological attack.
At this point of the story, we are basically CC Matoi's only friend, "we" come rescue her from Oldprentice... Then shlack, goes the sword in the stomach.
It's like getting backstabbed by your best friend, except right in front of you when you least expect it!
It's still all pretty nebulous, but with the Double/Apprentice stuff starting to near their climaxes (well, mostly Double, Apprentice is still up in the air) and the Profound Darkness getting mentionned so much, we SHOULD get to learn actual stuff about what the heck Persona is and is trying to do. The fact that we're getting hinted that we're also becoming darker-like doesn't help (and then plot twist, Persona, and the player, were the Profound Darkness all along! or something).

Shinamori
Jul 26, 2015, 07:26 AM
I'm pretty sure Persona didn't intend to save Maria, he wanted to make sure Elder could reach his form, at least, that's what I got from it.

Rupikachu
Jul 26, 2015, 09:10 AM
Well, if Luther's right the "sealed" profund darkness, was an artificial xion, that was fine till negative emotions were poured into it. Now let's see matoi. Aka ultimate existence according to Luther, and for thing that could be someone with or that can achieve omniscience.

Getting back to matoi, probably Xion tried to create her using the photoners work. But since persona/us backstabbed her, which at that moment were her only friend... blam experiment failed again and a new profund darkness in the making.

Persona could be a Double Clone of the MC , maybe from another dimension, and his dark falz powers come from being created by double.

LonelyGaruga
Jul 26, 2015, 12:01 PM
Persona outright says that they're from a timeline where the Profound Darkness was unleashed, so clone theory is very unlikely. Also, Matoi had been absorbing the darkers that she killed up until that point, which is what was released when Persona stabbed her. Matoi absorbing the darkers was part of Xion's intentions, most likely Persona was not, however. Matoi is also handmade by Xion and not created from the photoner's work.

By the way, seriously guys. Translate the story and do some browsing on swiki. This speculation about things that were already explained in the story is silly.

Maenara
Jul 26, 2015, 12:10 PM
Oh yeah, about that. I'm surprised Mae didn't post this yet but I was talking with her recently and she found this while browsing the files (copy pasting exactly as she formatted it to me).

DpAbyssChar ProtagonistEnemy enemy/en_dp_abyss_char.ice


Because I forgot, mainly. ( ・᷄ὢ・᷅ )

Poyonche
Jul 26, 2015, 04:04 PM
Are there other files which includes "ProtagonistEnemy" ? :wacko:
What is dat char for ? Character ? :derp:

RibbonSoft
Jul 26, 2015, 06:43 PM
The fact that we're getting hinted that we're also becoming darker-like doesn't help (and then plot twist, Persona, and the player, were the Profound Darkness all along! or something).

Is this episode 3 (the becoming more Darker-like thing)? I haven't seen that, but I've only just completed Episode 2, chapter 5.

That would be interesting if the plot turns in this direction; however, I don't think there's enough plot elements to support that, plus the whole Matoi thing is more likely because you know, generic Japanese plot advancement. It would explain a lot though like why the pc can see through a Genesis weapons' photon camouflage, why they can survive in Double, why Elder was powerless when you fight him with Maria (didn't really understand how Elder was losing power suddenly and was blaming the pc for that) and a few other things.

By the way, is there anywhere in the story that explains why Regius reacts to you the same way Zeno does at first in Chapter 8 of episode 1 (he says that he's seen the pc before as well, but doesn't remember from where, I know Zeno's is explained, but I've seen nothing about Regius).

Kondibon
Jul 26, 2015, 06:52 PM
By the way, is there anywhere in the story that explains why Regius reacts to you the same way Zeno does at first in Chapter 8 of episode 1 (he says that he's seen the pc before as well, but doesn't remember from where, I know Zeno's is explained, but I've seen nothing about Regius).You run into Regius while back in time and Zeno is fanboying over you.

Poyonche
Jul 26, 2015, 07:05 PM
why Elder was powerless when you fight him with Maria (didn't really understand how Elder was losing power suddenly and was blaming the pc for that)


This. I am also wondering what kind of magic we are using to make Elder, the big bad boy be powerless.

Cyber Meteor
Jul 26, 2015, 08:14 PM
I completely forgot about the fact the MC weakens Elder by just being here when we get back into the ruins ^^;. So question then, what the MC is actually in first place? :-P

yoshiblue
Jul 26, 2015, 08:18 PM
Watch the reason be that you absorb the power/photons of others, which in turn explains why you can switch classes and use all these powers so freely.

Kondibon
Jul 26, 2015, 08:24 PM
Watch the reason be that you absorb the power/photons of others, which in turn explains why you can switch classes and use all these powers so freely.This doesn't necessarily mean it's not the reason, but it's stated and shown several times that the player character isn't the only one who can do this.

That said, given what we know about the origins of the ARKS now, it could very well be related.

RibbonSoft
Jul 26, 2015, 09:08 PM
So question then, what the MC is actually in first place? :-P

Quna wants to know too. She asks this very question in episode one when the pc first sees through her weapon's photon camouflage.

Kondibon
Jul 26, 2015, 09:18 PM
Manwhile people complain that Zeno is a horrible spotlight stealer for joining big hero 6, like we aren't being time traveling badasses, with a direct line to what's essentially a god.

I didn't mean to go on too much more of a tangent, but for all its flaws, if PSO2's story has anything going for it, it's that the writers are handling the whole "hero of their own story" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroOfAnotherStory) thing REALLY well. That goes for most of the characters, not just Zeno.

Sayara
Jul 30, 2015, 10:16 AM
Wtb: photo of オロタ・ビケッタ without you know who blocking the shot :<