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Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 6, 2015, 08:14 PM
Hi Everyone! I'm Holding a Fashion Contest on Ship 2 to help promote My Team(Pixie Stix)
And also to promote the YouTube channel I started for our team!
First of all, f you'd like to be a part of this, LMK! Contact me thru my channel on youtube ( Pso2 Pixie Stix )
Please post a reply to this thread as well,so i'll have an idea of participation^^b
I also need One Person to judge from outside of my team ( your efforts will be rewarded )
You may also E-mail my youtube
The details of contest are as follows~
・You are allowed to use all outfits, tickets,weps, camos,bodypaint, etc~
・You are not allowed to use any SUITS!! No fulol body suits, no nyaus, lilipans, danbos, rappies, arkumas, arkumamis, or reindeers,bask, or shiro suit none of those are allowed!
・You will have to perform a Pose , All poses are allowed, no other LA is allowed, only poses.
・There will be 2-3 rounds, depending on # of Participants
For 2nd (and 3rd, 4th) Rounds, The entrants will need to switch up the look of the character!(Character swaps are also allowed)
・The prizes are as follows:
1st Place: 2,000 Webmoney code | 2nd Place :1,000 WM | 3rd place : 1mil meseta.
You may contact me on game as well,and for any questions involving my team, the youtube project, or contest~ My ID is 偽の名前 
Good Luck to all that enter! I'm Also going to be recording the show for youtube!
Pso2 Pixie Stix is the Channel name :3
Also, the contest will be 2 weeks from today Sept 20th

kuromechan
Sep 6, 2015, 08:20 PM
this includes Shironian suits and bask repca

Vintasticvin
Sep 6, 2015, 08:47 PM
Well, looks like I'll be coming out of retirement now. Count me in!

saraishadow
Sep 6, 2015, 09:11 PM
Limiting it to pose LAs only is sorta too limiting IMO.

KazukiQZ
Sep 6, 2015, 10:20 PM
To be fair, most of the pose LAs are easily accessible in FUN shop, and we had just reach pose 19, so the selections is there xD

Anduril
Sep 6, 2015, 11:00 PM
The limitation to pose LAs is a bit disappointing, but it still does potentially give 38 different possibilities.

yoshiblue
Sep 7, 2015, 12:37 AM
Don't forget that you can still rely on camera angles.

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 7, 2015, 12:46 AM
The poses only was to make sure it's a little more fair, surely all of us would liek virtual on2, or the yutari one, but prices, unfair advantages, >< We can change that aspect tho, if enough ppl want it ^^

Totori
Sep 7, 2015, 01:08 AM
Seems fine for a starting contest really~

Nyansan
Sep 7, 2015, 06:18 AM
I could join this, depending on whether my sched allows to or no. But I'll definitely enter if I'm free in the next few weeks :3

Asuka~
Sep 7, 2015, 07:33 AM
I'm in~

somedude1435
Sep 7, 2015, 07:45 AM
I am in depending on time and such i suppose, is this going to be like a gathering on the 20th or meet and record for channel and progressively have votes or something?

Character Rayen Cross
ID: brayen

aryayudhaprakasa2
Sep 7, 2015, 08:12 AM
Leave my footprint here

Kiboune
Sep 7, 2015, 08:19 AM
Meh, i have male character so i'm not gonna participate

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 7, 2015, 11:16 AM
Yes, however I may extend the deadline for the contest dat+ recording + judging for winners, for now, the tentative date is the 20th~

Anduril
Sep 7, 2015, 12:07 PM
Something I'm not clear on with this, what are the logistics of how this is going to work?

Is it going to be a "live" contest where everything is done on the scheduled date? If it is "live," where is it going to take place?
(Mostly asking this because of the possibility of trolls trying to ruin things [reference the Ichi wedding], in which case the safest thing to do would be to have it in your team room, but that limits it to only 100 people being able to be in there at once, though having it livestreamed as well could help with that restriction and should be relatively easy to do through YouTube.)

Will this just be a single, general division, or will you have separate divisions (ie. Male and Female divisions, CAST and Fleshie divisions, etc.)?
(Primarily asking because past fashion contests have shown that there will be a skew toward female characters, leaving most male characters with little chance of winning the big prize. Obviously, this would be dependent on the number of participants.)

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 7, 2015, 05:55 PM
Yes, we are going to do it in our team room ^^
As for divisions, i was thinking just a general entry, as alot of players tend to use female chars? I think if we seperated the poor males, there would be an instant winner x3 (at least for male side lol)
And Also, it's gonna to be somehting we do live , yes ^^ maybe taking 30 minutes tops, depending on number of those that attend.
There's also the matter of the impartial judge(s) , that is to say, ppl that may Judge, that aren't from my team~ to make sure it's fair and balanced

Shirai
Sep 7, 2015, 05:58 PM
This looks fun. I wanna join if I remember to!

Anduril
Sep 7, 2015, 06:14 PM
Yes, we are going to do it in our team room ^^
As for divisions, i was thinking just a general entry, as alot of players tend to use female chars? I think if we seperated the poor males, there would be an instant winner x3 (at least for male side lol)
And Also, it's gonna to be somehting we do live , yes ^^ maybe taking 30 minutes tops, depending on number of those that attend.
There's also the matter of the impartial judge(s) , that is to say, ppl that may Judge, that aren't from my team~ to make sure it's fair and balanced
Yeah, that's mostly why I was asking. In an ideal world, it could be a four sub-division thing that then converges into the finals to give males a chance (ie. starting with Female Fleshie, Female CAST, Male Fleshie, and Male CAST divisions, then the top three from each of those go into Round Two with General Female and General Male divisions, then the top three from those two divisions go to the Finals); unfortunately, with the make-up of the character demographics, it just doesn't seem plausible.
That said, if I weren't interested in participating, I would love to judge, but the spirit of competition burns in me.
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/y8vDAYZ.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

Nyansan
Sep 7, 2015, 06:35 PM
That said, if I weren't interested in participating, I would love to judge, but the spirit of competition burns in me.

This. I want to judge since it's easier for my schedule to follow since I don't really need to do prep work/research/practice for the fashion show but at the same time I wanna enter badly, lol.

I also got a question: contest rules state that you are allowed to switch characters right? What if my characters are of different genders?

landman
Sep 8, 2015, 05:32 AM
Can I attend as public?

RadiantLegend
Sep 8, 2015, 09:48 AM
I think I'll have a new cast look by then, sure I'll join.

PVinson
Sep 8, 2015, 01:39 PM
I'd Like to join :)

SolRiver
Sep 8, 2015, 02:34 PM
can i spectate?

kuromechan
Sep 8, 2015, 03:39 PM
can i spectate?

No one is stopping you so go ahead

Sacrificial
Sep 8, 2015, 03:49 PM
Count me in

Everyone! Get in here!

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 8, 2015, 11:24 PM
gender isnt an issue, as all races/sexes are being treated equally ^^ so no worries if switching chars :3

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 8, 2015, 11:27 PM
can i spectate?
in response to spectators: if we have enough room in our team room, then yes, it's ok , other wsie you'll have to watch the show on youtube :3

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 8, 2015, 11:28 PM
Also i need a good way to keep track of entrants, so for now im using this forum. make sure you include your id, (or someway to get hold of you in game) otherwsie you might get lost D:

yoshiblue
Sep 8, 2015, 11:33 PM
Assuming nothing pops up, I may be able to judge the contest.

otakun
Sep 8, 2015, 11:36 PM
gender isnt an issue, as all races/sexes are being treated equally ^^ so no worries if switching chars :3

Don't mean to be rude or tell you how to run your event here but there is no way this is true. The qualities that stand out for male and female then humanoid and cast vary a lot and leave way too much for bias. This isn't like a cosplay contest where you can judge on quality of the design on top of the looks of the costume. When you have gender and race limitations no matter who wins there will be question to the judgement.

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 10, 2015, 02:56 PM
Don't mean to be rude or tell you how to run your event here but there is no way this is true. The qualities that stand out for male and female then humanoid and cast vary a lot and leave way too much for bias. This isn't like a cosplay contest where you can judge on quality of the design on top of the looks of the costume. When you have gender and race limitations no matter who wins there will be question to the judgement.
well theres like, 10 male chars ive seen in 3 years,.. so in order to make a contest FAIR AND EQUAL, guess what? i gotta put them together as equals. don't like it? don;t enter lol. it's free to join and webmoney for free, so yea. if you'd like to , idk, hold your own contest and pay out 6 top prizes, by all means,.,.. go ahead. lol. Some ppl just gotta go against the waves to be "differnt", huh?
ALL RACES/SEXES are being treated EQUALLY . that's final.. i dont see what a big deal that is.

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 10, 2015, 03:02 PM
OK so in order to do this properly, i need t set a time to hold this, so feel free to bounce times for me ^^ i don;t want to set it in stone, and then have 1/2 the entrants unable to join.
IM thinking somewhere betweem 4~7 pm EST should suffice. If this works/doesnt wok for you, please let me know!
ty^^

Nyansan
Sep 10, 2015, 06:44 PM
OK so in order to do this properly, i need t set a time to hold this, so feel free to bounce times for me ^^ i don;t want to set it in stone, and then have 1/2 the entrants unable to join.
IM thinking somewhere betweem 4~7 pm EST should suffice. If this works/doesnt wok for you, please let me know!
ty^^

Made a time-converter thingy so people can look up the day and time of the event for 4-7 EST
http://bit.ly/1ihx0kZ

Sara-hime
Sep 11, 2015, 02:35 AM
I'm interested in joining the contest, however, it turns out I have to work that day till 5:30pm (EST), so I won't be home till 6. Add to that, fatigue once I'm home and....darn! >_<

viciousbrandon
Sep 11, 2015, 12:35 PM
I could be a judge if need another. If not I'll join the event itself.

AzureAsh
Sep 15, 2015, 04:22 AM
I actually wouldn't mind joining the event :D

erroranonimo
Sep 17, 2015, 02:26 PM
I want to participate ヾ(⌒(ノシ >ω<)ノシ i want i want i want !
(ノ´ヮ´)ノ*:・゚ID: Liliam :・゚☆彡☆彡

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 18, 2015, 11:53 AM
Alright, I think the time we can go with will be much later, this way we can all enter ^^
I'll set the time to 8:30 pm to start the event, and 8:00 pm for rehearsals (lol)
I'm gonna be setting up the teaam room to make sure i'll be able to get everything in frame, and we can go over what we need to do beforehand (with a demonstration ofc, it'l be fast)
Looking forward to seeing everyoen there ^^

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 18, 2015, 12:34 PM
its gonna be live, yes.

RadiantLegend
Sep 18, 2015, 02:37 PM
I'll have to cancel my sign up, won't be able to make any time on Sunday.

Anduril
Sep 18, 2015, 05:24 PM
Gonna have to be tentative myself. Looks like we're going to be celebrating my grandmother's birthday on Sunday, rather than the previously planned Saturday, so I don't know if I'll be able to make it back on time.

SakuRei
Sep 20, 2015, 01:49 PM
Hmm... Interesting---

-- nvm, contest is done... *Looks at my calendar* (09-21-2015)

''orz

yoshiblue
Sep 20, 2015, 02:24 PM
Apparently, it's in an hour. EST

Edit: Nvm, forgot it was pushed to 8PM. I should start in 4 hours.

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 20, 2015, 03:17 PM
Hmm... Interesting---

-- nvm, contest is done... *Looks at my calendar* (09-21-2015)

''orz

The contest is today! sept 20th US EST :3 u didnt miss it :3

Anduril
Sep 20, 2015, 04:22 PM
Looks like I made it back in time. Just reconfirming my interest in participating.

Player ID: AndrlCh

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 20, 2015, 05:51 PM
To anyone participating: You can start gathering in our team room ( Pixie Stix ) when your rdy ^^ show starts in 1 hour !

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 20, 2015, 10:38 PM
Thank you everyoen for participating ^^ it was alot of fun (depsite the few hangups) had a blast && Congrats to our 1st place winner; Kaiser, our 2nd place winnerSherri, and our 3 3rd place our winners, liliam, falre and nue ^^ gj everyone ^^ see you at the next event ^^

landman
Sep 20, 2015, 10:43 PM
It's always fun to be in player organised events like that :)

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/7Hcuime.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JRBrlKf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RhrTswC.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

Nyansan
Sep 20, 2015, 11:07 PM
I had a blast despite not participating, it was so nice to see people's designs =w=b
There were so many ties inbetween rounds and it's really heartbreaking to pick one over the other ^^;

But overall, despite a few technical limitations and mishaps(but hey, what first time event doesn't have mishaps), it's an event I wouldn't mind going to again :)

Looking forward to that youtube vid o/

Anduril
Sep 21, 2015, 12:49 AM
Here are my outfits and poses from the three theme rounds:

Andrea (Back to School Round): I pretty much decided to go literal with this round.
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/FoKcDQW.png[/spoiler-box]

Erin (Goth/Punk Round): Went for a Goth artist look. The coffin is her art box.
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/1J7k0gt.png[/spoiler-box]

Kayla (Violence Round): I derped in terms of ideas, so I went with a RWBY cosplay.
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/AkQetLo.png[/spoiler-box]

This was super fun to be a part of. Though, it's a shame there was no swimsuit round.

Rupikachu
Sep 21, 2015, 05:40 AM
Rip my internet connection, missed most of it.

Nyansan
Sep 21, 2015, 07:32 PM
https://youtu.be/OFJPyGURgU0
The video isn't fuly processed as of this moment, but that's the link.
YouTube should be done with it in like, an hour from now, processing on a 50 minute video is kinda sl;ow ^^;;
Thanks to everyone!!

x-posted mispost ;)

kuromechan
Sep 21, 2015, 08:29 PM
The youtube link was taken down due to it being to long. Please wait till it gets editted to smaller parts

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 21, 2015, 09:58 PM
Yea, it was too long for youtube, so i'll need to spend more time breaking it down, sorry guys =_=
it'l be up tomroow

JC200X
Sep 22, 2015, 01:52 AM
see you at the next event
I was going to keep quiet until you stated that. Now that you intend to hold another event in the future, I would like to share my experience in this contest for people to know about. A bit of a warning: This will be long.

[SPOILER-BOX]To note, I've taken screenshots of logs from my own and a spectator's. This person's is three hours ahead of mine. Please keep this in mind.

So, I also took part in this contest. However, I have no idea what good time several have stated, because my experience was the complete opposite; this contest was far from fair. To begin with, this contest took place in the organizer's team room, which had the original PSO lobby theme. We, the participants, were instructed to wait in one area, outside of a teleporter leading into another area, where the judges and spectators were. With this, I noticed I couldn't see whatever chat was going on in the other room and vice-versa.

During the first round, I was notified by one of the spectators on Skype that the model walk LA is now allowed (http://i.imgur.com/edr8unn.jpg). I thought that was very strange to allow an LA as a contest was going on, but I thought nothing else of it. It wasn't a big deal and I still stuck with what I had planned. After the first round concluded, this spectator and I were chatting until this spectator mentioned the second round's theme was going to be gothic/punk (http://i.imgur.com/PtU7XxW.jpg) and that the first round's theme was back to school (http://i.imgur.com/6hqk5qC.jpg).

At this point, I was stunned. I took a look at the original post, then through the thread, then the entire thread again to be sure I didn't miss anything. As a result, there was no mention of themes at all. However, a couple have claimed it was mentioned (http://i.imgur.com/QbuEyrF.jpg)in the original post. In the end, the criteria about themes was not mentioned at all in the original post (http://i.imgur.com/OplOjnb.png). They were either sorely mistaken or flat out lying. But the organizer could've PMed me of the criteria, right? Yet, he/she did not (http://i.imgur.com/aX0zTZL.png) (Also, the contents of that PM (http://i.imgur.com/LZzhQJC.png)). It would've been easy to do since I entered via PM.

To clear this matter, I asked the organizer about this new criteria. I was given the response that it was an idea of what to do (http://i.imgur.com/cQEV14k.jpg) (go figure), some weird logic (http://i.imgur.com/4MVk7cG.png), and that the best fitting the theme was not required (http://i.imgur.com/t5m4LXG.jpg). However, I later learned that this was sketchy, based on how the organizer had told the judges something different (http://i.imgur.com/mRj8UvC.png).

In conclusion, I decided to quit and withdraw from this contest. While I did have newly found doubts about the contest (http://i.imgur.com/wNKo1fG.jpg), they are baseless conjecture and I have no way to prove that. So partake of that of how you will.

That was my experience of this contest. Thank you to all of you who have taken the time to read this. OP, if you are reading this, then this event you, the team leader, have created to promote your team has damaged its reputation instead.[/SPOILER-BOX]
tl;dr: If you intend to enter any of the OP's future contests, absolutely make sure you know all of the rules and criteria and that he/she won't change or add anything. Don't have your time wasted like I have had.

I would also like to thank the person who provided me a copy of their log very much. They know who they are.

landman
Sep 22, 2015, 06:41 AM
The own organizators recognized so much things went wrong, its the first event they host, and it took looong (3,5 hours), so there's room for improvement. Yes, I recognize information could have been better managed, but the comments about it being rigged are plain false, 2 judges were from their own team (one in Vita) and two others were people who posted here offering themselves to be judges, it would provably been more fair if more judges had joined, after all judging was not the part that took more time, and it's just a matter of votes. The final round, well... it was so late, and they finished it quickly, and openly, I'm sure they checked on all the participants fairly.

The first round went wrong not only to you, but that's only 3 of the 9 finalists, others had their chance at second or third round.

I'll add, some contestants also came late, and others disappeared without saying a thing while the others were waiting.

Rupikachu
Sep 22, 2015, 06:55 AM
I was going to keep quiet until you stated that. Now that you intend to hold another event in the future, I would like to share my experience in this contest for people to know about. A bit of a warning: This will be long.

[SPOILER-BOX]To note, I've taken screenshots of logs from my own and a spectator's. This person's is three hours ahead of mine. Please keep this in mind.

So, I also took part in this contest. However, I have no idea what good time several have stated, because my experience was the complete opposite; this contest was far from fair. To begin with, this contest took place in the organizer's team room, which had the original PSO lobby theme. We, the participants, were instructed to wait in one area, outside of a teleporter leading into another area, where the judges and spectators were. With this, I noticed I couldn't see whatever chat was going on in the other room and vice-versa.

During the first round, I was notified by one of the spectators on Skype that the model walk LA is now allowed (http://i.imgur.com/edr8unn.jpg). I thought that was very strange to allow an LA as a contest was going on, but I thought nothing else of it. It wasn't a big deal and I still stuck with what I had planned. After the first round concluded, this spectator and I were chatting until this spectator mentioned the second round's theme was going to be gothic/punk (http://i.imgur.com/PtU7XxW.jpg) and that the first round's theme was back to school (http://i.imgur.com/6hqk5qC.jpg).

At this point, I was stunned. I took a look at the original post, then through the thread, then the entire thread again to be sure I didn't miss anything. As a result, there was no mention of themes at all. However, a couple have claimed it was mentioned (http://i.imgur.com/QbuEyrF.jpg)in the original post. In the end, the criteria about themes was not mentioned at all in the original post (http://i.imgur.com/OplOjnb.png). They were either sorely mistaken or flat out lying. But the organizer could've PMed me of the criteria, right? Yet, he/she did not (http://i.imgur.com/aX0zTZL.png) (Also, the contents of that PM (http://i.imgur.com/LZzhQJC.png)). It would've been easy to do since I entered via PM.

To clear this matter, I asked the organizer about this new criteria. I was given the response that it was an idea of what to do (http://i.imgur.com/cQEV14k.jpg) (go figure), some weird logic (http://i.imgur.com/4MVk7cG.png), and that the best fitting the theme was not required (http://i.imgur.com/t5m4LXG.jpg). However, I later learned that this was sketchy, based on how the organizer had told the judges something different (http://i.imgur.com/mRj8UvC.png).

In conclusion, I decided to quit and withdraw from this contest. While I did have newly found doubts about the contest (http://i.imgur.com/wNKo1fG.jpg), they are baseless conjecture and I have no way to prove that. So partake of that of how you will.

That was my experience of this contest. Thank you to all of you who have taken the time to read this. OP, if you are reading this, then this event you, the team leader, have created to promote your team has damaged its reputation instead.[/SPOILER-BOX]
tl;dr: If you intend to enter any of the OP's future contests, absolutely make sure you know all of the rules and criteria and that he/she won't change or add anything. Don't have your time wasted like I have had.

I would also like to thank the person who provided me a copy of their log very much. They know who they are.

Well i was as spectator for a short while, and personally i think it was more of a matter of improvisation rather than bias or the contest being rigged. Probably with a test run a few days earlier things would have been smoother, so i guess the next contest should run smoother and things should be more clear.

Nyansan
Sep 22, 2015, 09:07 AM
I am in no way affiliated with the organizers outside of being one of the guest judges, but so as to avoid issues of legitimacy (as well as any resulting heated discussions as a result of this) I'll try to tackle each of the things questioned to the best of my knowledge whilst cross referencing chatlogs from that day. (Will be blocking out names for privacy concerns)

First, the teleporter issue.
One of the judges is playing on a Vita; hence the need to send the extra people out so as to allow contestants to load properly as there was a limit on how many models Vita could load before getting gray people.


2015-09-21T08:34:17 1443 PUBLIC 10345078 <name witheld> May have to increase the character limit
2015-09-21T08:34:21 1444 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ bvita cant
2015-09-21T08:34:24 1445 PUBLIC 10345078 <name witheld> ah
2015-09-21T08:34:25 1446 PUBLIC 11936427 <name witheld>cant do it
2015-09-21T08:34:26 1447 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ so what we gonn have to do is
2015-09-21T08:34:30 1448 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ have one my team outside
2015-09-21T08:34:33 1449 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ the oprt
2015-09-21T08:34:37 1450 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ have everyoen wait outside
2015-09-21T08:34:42 1451 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ wand call them like that
2015-09-21T08:34:50 1452 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ since team chat will go beyond
2015-09-21T08:34:51 1453 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ orrr
2015-09-21T08:35:04 1454 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ yea
2015-09-21T08:35:06 1455 PUBLIC 11936427 <name witheld> ofc it blocks out the contenders when it matters most
2015-09-21T08:35:11 1456 PUBLIC 11936427 <name witheld>stupid limits[/SPOILER-BOX]

Also, judges deliberations were taking place within the room aswell. I suggested partying up so as to keep deliberations private, but had 5 people as judges (3 guest judges + 2 judges from host team IIRC) so partying up wasn't an option.

Second, the rule regarding /la modelwalk.
Earlier that day, during the designated time for rehearsals (which in turn, was roughly an hour before the contest start) there was a discussion about what LAs were allowed and modelwalk was mentioned as one of them.
Hence some people got the memo and some weren't, since most people came in at around 8:30 EST just as the contest was about to start.

[SPOILER-BOX]
2015-09-21T07:15:09 391 PUBLIC 12547704 ねこなまえ only poses are allowed for the display part ~
2015-09-21T07:15:18 392 PUBLIC 12547704 ねこなまえ you can get them at the fuin shop in shop area, 2k fun each
2015-09-21T07:15:26 393 PUBLIC 12547704 ねこなまえ most~ are there. a few older ones arent
2015-09-21T07:15:26 394 PUBLIC 12992378 アシリン   /la taiki1
2015-09-21T07:15:37 395 PUBLIC 12547704 ねこなまえ ill make one excpetrion
2015-09-21T07:15:41 396 PUBLIC 12547704 ねこなまえ modelwalk
2015-09-21T07:15:44 397 PUBLIC 12547704 ねこなまえ can be used
2015-09-21T07:15:46 398 PUBLIC 12983358 グラム oh yeah
2015-09-21T07:15:53 399 PUBLIC 12547704 ねこなまえ thats literally the only other one ill accept[/SPOILER-BOX]

Third, the theme issue.
To be frank, I was very concerned aswell with the introduction of themes when they said there were themes just before the contest was about to start. The organizer has admitted this to be a last minute addition based on a guildie's suggestion and didn't want them in originally.

[SPOILER-BOX]

2015-09-21T10:55:29 347 PUBLIC 10345078 <name witheld> Post the themes ahead of time
2015-09-21T10:55:34 348 PUBLIC 12547704 ω あきちゃん ω yea i ned to learn how the forums work
2015-09-21T10:55:38 349 PUBLIC 12547704 ω あきちゃん ω /la sit3
2015-09-21T10:55:46 350 PUBLIC 12547704 ω あきちゃん ω themes was a last minute idea from mel
2015-09-21T10:55:50 351 PUBLIC 12547704 ω あきちゃん ω i didnt want them oirigannly
2015-09-21T10:55:52 352 PUBLIC 10345078 <name witheld> Maybe do a rehersal sometime before the actual event and then one same day.
2015-09-21T10:56:01 353 PUBLIC 12547704 ω あきちゃん ω yea
2015-09-21T10:56:09 354 PUBLIC 12547704 ω あきちゃん ω that was the plan but ppl were late, lilte confused,
2015-09-21T10:56:16 355 PUBLIC 12547704 ω あきちゃん ω tings didnt all work out right!
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I was also concerned with the fact that while themes can 'breed creativity', they also 'limit options' so to speak since not that many characters could nail 'back to school' as well as others based on their body built, face etc. as well as not having the budget to dress up their characters as well as others.
However, despite the above, I believe it was added because it makes judging a bit consistent (and easier) across five people, especially since there wasn't a set guideline or rubric for judging entries.

IMO, this whole theme issue could have been avoided if
1. There was a set guideline for scoring points
-or -
2. Themes were announced prior to the start of the contest.

Last, Conflicting judge-contestant adherence to theme Issues
As for the concern that judges were told to judge based on theme, while competitors were told that themes did not matter, I had checked my chat logs on that day for both characters (one outside with the contestants and the other inside the room with the judges) on two computers and can confirm that there wasn't any discrepancy in what the organizer told the judges and what they had told the contestants.

Please do take note of the timestamps on all three events

Character outside:
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2015-09-21T09:28:08 1653 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ so anywya~
2015-09-21T09:28:13 1654 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ theme is just a basic guidline
2015-09-21T09:28:16 1655 PUBLIC 12972294 <name witheld> /cla ichitaro3
2015-09-21T09:28:16 1656 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ to give you an iudea
2015-09-21T09:28:21 1657 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ if you want to wear, say
2015-09-21T09:28:29 1658 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ a sanata dress, and say itsschool, thats fine
2015-09-21T09:28:34 1659 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ if they liek hwo it all looks
2015-09-21T09:28:37 1660 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ then you do good~
2015-09-21T09:28:46 1661 PUBLIC 12115968 <name witheld> kaiser needs to join the line!
2015-09-21T09:28:50 1662 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ im not asking them who fit the theme best, but if they wish to view it that way, its up to them [/SPOILER-BOX]

Character inside:
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2015-09-21T09:05:29 1819 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ so they prepearing
2015-09-21T09:05:32 1820 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ i stopped recording
2015-09-21T09:05:50 1821 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ we can decide who ius top 3 for that round, who was the mnost accurate to theme, best overall lok, c
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Later, after there was a competitor (Thalia) who withdrew, organizer told judges this:
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2015-09-21T09:35:45 2087 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ sporry fot eh hold up
2015-09-21T09:35:51 2088 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ thalis is upset bc we inroduced theme
2015-09-21T09:35:52 2089 PUBLIC 13064059 <name witheld>Its okay
2015-09-21T09:35:57 2091 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ so doesnt wanna join
2015-09-21T09:36:03 2092 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ i ecplained theme is optional
2015-09-21T09:36:04 2093 PUBLIC 11936427 <name witheld> one person
2015-09-21T09:36:07 2094 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ ists just to give ppl an idea
2015-09-21T09:36:09 2095 PUBLIC 11936427 <name witheld> always one
2015-09-21T09:36:13 2096 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ so anyway~
2015-09-21T09:36:17 2097 PUBLIC 12983358 グラム /ci4 1 ..what yo you mean i'm scary
2015-09-21T09:36:22 2098 PUBLIC 12983358 グラム alright :3
2015-09-21T09:36:23 2099 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ ill start sendign them in for round 2
2015-09-21T09:36:28 2100 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ jic it wasnt implied
2015-09-21T09:36:33 2101 PUBLIC 13064059 <name witheld>Ok :3
2015-09-21T09:36:38 2102 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ theme is OPTIONAL~ bc theres nothign sayain what is or isnt part of a theme
2015-09-21T09:36:51 2103 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ some ppl might wear ol blinki to school
2015-09-21T09:36:56 2104 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ some might wear sant drwess
2015-09-21T09:37:01 2105 PUBLIC 11936427 <name witheld> i know i would :3
2015-09-21T09:37:04 2106 PUBLIC 11936427 <name witheld> jk
2015-09-21T09:37:04 2107 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ its an anime, anythgin gos rlly.. i sdont see the issue
2015-09-21T09:37:07 2108 PUBLIC 13064059 <name witheld> XD
2015-09-21T09:37:17 2109 PUBLIC 12547704 バブルガム☆ポップ!☆ so dont count poiints agsint hem if its :not in theme:""[/SPOILER-BOX]


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This contest had a lot of improvisations and technical errors along during its run.
The organizers have admitted themselves that there was definitely room for improvement.
But please note that this the first time (and hopefully, not the last) that they had hosted an event as ambitious as this. Even professional tournaments and events have their own kinks and hitches the first time around.

I hope this clears up any air of illegitimacy, since it's a shame for such a fun event to discontinue (and bad blood to arise) just because of a few technical errors, mishaps and hardware limitations on the organizer's part as well as some finger pointing of the whole thing being rigged on account of this.
I can also upload 2 sets of logs for that day, unedited (2 on each character logged in); however this will take time as I will have to ask all people involved in the event for their permission, since there are people who prefer their identities hidden and it is best to respect that privacy (only names I didn't blot out were organizer's and my own character's; player ID left untouched to ensure validity as well as cross reference statements across 4 separate logs since you can't search playerIDs anyway, to the best of my knowledge)

[SPOILER]Phew that was long; can't believe that took me 2 hours

Anduril
Sep 22, 2015, 07:04 PM
I think the inclusion of themes was a good idea, as I felt it upped the ante and forced us to think outside of the box, but the implementation was a bit flawed; I think a good way to do it is to present the contestants with a pool of possible themes so they can prepare beforehand, and then only pick a certain number from the pool (ex. have 6 possible themes, but only use 3 of theme in the actual competition).
In my thinking, "back-to-school" as a theme actually had some wiggle-room to work with beyond just uniforms: Teachers, coaches, cafeteria workers, track suits, apparel appropriate for a club (swimsuits for the swim club, Oil Brink for shop class, etc), etc. Sure I went with the standard, but had I had more time to prepare, I probably could have come up with something a bit more creative.

JC200X
Sep 22, 2015, 07:47 PM
My biggest problem with it was sudden changes of rules. Suddenly including themes and suddenly allowing a non-pose LA. But that's also something that will hopefully be taken into consideration for the future. I think they'll take the feedback from this first time seriously. Next time sounds like fun since most of the kinks will hopefully have been worked out.
This was just about my only lingering gripe. Technical difficulties do happen and I didn't mind waiting for them to be ironed out. I also didn't mind the model walk LA being allowed after finding out about it and it's only natural there would be a waiting area for the contestants while the next room would be used as a staging area for everyone to strut their stuff. The inclusion of themes was a major curveball to me and I wasn't prepared for it at all.

As you have stated, the OP should be more transparent about what the rules/criteria are going to take place the next time around. If this was the sort of contest where the themes were posted ahead of time to give people ample time to think it over or if the rule of people have to come up with an outfit within a limited amount of time after a theme announcement for each round at the event was posted, this contest would have been fine.

Nyansan
Sep 22, 2015, 08:22 PM
I agree with everyone's sentiments regarding the introduction of a new criteria not originally stated in OP's post. Even as a judge, the introduction of a new rule really threw a wrench (so to speak) in what I had planned as a rubric for judging that was applicable to all characters regardless of build or gender. I kid you not, I had to research 'judging a fashion contest' for guidelines on scoring for 2 days inbetween study breaks.

Also, for the next contest I think the organizers should inform both judges and contestants alike about the criterion for judging. While the judging process was transparent in which the top 3 for each round was shouted out in public chat, I'd like atleast to see something akin to a scoring system in order rather than a 'pick your top 3' scheme, which can be a bit confusing at times.
I believe this would be fair to the contestants and easier for the judges to break up ties, since most of the deliberations took a lengthy amount of time to complete due to people having different people in mind for 3rd place in each of their top 3 >_<

I'd also like to see the implementation of a 'contestant tag/contestant #' in every contestant's status. Judging was also made difficult because people swapped characters a lot, and some of the judges were confused with the inclusion of a 'new person', when infact the person inquestion had switched characters.
While it can be argued that you can check playerIDs to match, I am considering the fact that not everyone is premium and there are people who switch accounts for a new character.
Another reason was the issue of people leaving without prior notification to the organizers, as well as people who came late/were not called for a round. Having contestants tagged would make it easier to know who got called and who wasn't, and make the whole thing smoother since contestants can just queue up according to contestant number.

landman
Sep 23, 2015, 02:42 AM
Yep, that's a good idea, having a list, and numbering contestants (because multiple accounts), and typing that number in your status and whatever else (for example, if there are multiple themes, the theme you chose).

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 23, 2015, 10:07 PM
Sorry everyone, this is ovsiously the first time we did wanythign like this, so lots of things got messed up x.x
all in all it was fun, and we learned alot , so using all of this as a step towards getting things right ext time lol ":3
an the issues didnt stop there, as i couldnt een uplaod the video i made , so i had to make another youtube channel, heres te video, sorry for all the delays x.x
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTZcBJUgJEfLsWYaLixPuew <- channel link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AQoOk2uRuQ <- fashion contest

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 23, 2015, 10:14 PM
I agree with everyone's sentiments regarding the introduction of a new criteria not originally stated in OP's post. Even as a judge, the introduction of a new rule really threw a wrench (so to speak) in what I had planned as a rubric for judging that was applicable to all characters regardless of build or gender. I kid you not, I had to research 'judging a fashion contest' for guidelines on scoring for 2 days inbetween study breaks.

Also, for the next contest I think the organizers should inform both judges and contestants alike about the criterion for judging. While the judging process was transparent in which the top 3 for each round was shouted out in public chat, I'd like atleast to see something akin to a scoring system in order rather than a 'pick your top 3' scheme, which can be a bit confusing at times.
I believe this would be fair to the contestants and easier for the judges to break up ties, since most of the deliberations took a lengthy amount of time to complete due to people having different people in mind for 3rd place in each of their top 3 >_<

I'd also like to see the implementation of a 'contestant tag/contestant #' in every contestant's status. Judging was also made difficult because people swapped characters a lot, and some of the judges were confused with the inclusion of a 'new person', when infact the person inquestion had switched characters.
While it can be argued that you can check playerIDs to match, I am considering the fact that not everyone is premium and there are people who switch accounts for a new character.
Another reason was the issue of people leaving without prior notification to the organizers, as well as people who came late/were not called for a round. Having contestants tagged would make it easier to know who got called and who wasn't, and make the whole thing smoother since contestants can just queue up according to contestant number.
The reason we added any themes at last minute bc ppl didn't knwo what they were supposed to wear, it was another team member that suggestd this, and the early arrivals to the event were ok with this, sorry for the sudden changeup liek that .
All in all it was much more hectic than i had thogught, techincal issues not withstanding either.
And it was kinda apprent when we gave final round as :anythign goes" alot of ppl didnt knwo what to do , which resulted in much longer wait... themes shouldve been there from the start, was just hard to guage a few things, liek contestant # , room for ppl, and the rounds and how judging would work. Not the best effort, sorry.. but as i posted before, gonna use all these as stepping stones to getting things proper on next one (and there WILL be a next one!)
We may also hold other types of events, this fashion idea was just a spitballed idea i c=kinda ran with x3
Im opne to constructive criticsim, but please. no need to be rude, i was just tryinn to do somehting nice for ppl lol!
with that being said, sorry to those thatdidnt want to deal with "themes" i did state they were optional, and just meant as a push in a direction for you to dress acrdingly.. theme is up to interpretation, and theres no :wrong: way to dress for them. But i digress, sory for last minute changes, and sorry for the confusion.
Aklso sorry for youtube! lol. had ot make a brand new channel jut to get the vid uploaded... spent quite a deal of time editing it too, so hopefully.. it came out ok ><
Im also nto a profssional editor lol :3 Learnign alot as i do things, so these evets and whatnot are all being used for me to imporve, and also for some light-hearted fun forthe ship , nexr event will hjave
1) more planning
2)more planing
3) (more planning)
4)lol. you get the idea.
Thanks to everyoen for being so patient!

infiniteeverlasting
Sep 23, 2015, 10:50 PM
because they're aren't that many american's who would like to play a waifu simulator.

Nyansan
Sep 24, 2015, 03:35 AM
The reason we added any themes at last minute bc ppl didn't knwo what they were supposed to wear, it was another team member that suggestd this, and the early arrivals to the event were ok with this, sorry for the sudden changeup liek that .
All in all it was much more hectic than i had thogught, techincal issues not withstanding either.
And it was kinda apprent when we gave final round as :anythign goes" alot of ppl didnt knwo what to do , which resulted in much longer wait... themes shouldve been there from the start, was just hard to guage a few things, liek contestant # , room for ppl, and the rounds and how judging would work. Not the best effort, sorry.. but as i posted before, gonna use all these as stepping stones to getting things proper on next one (and there WILL be a next one!)
We may also hold other types of events, this fashion idea was just a spitballed idea i c=kinda ran with x3
Im opne to constructive criticsim, but please. no need to be rude, i was just tryinn to do somehting nice for ppl lol!
with that being said, sorry to those thatdidnt want to deal with "themes" i did state they were optional, and just meant as a push in a direction for you to dress acrdingly.. theme is up to interpretation, and theres no :wrong: way to dress for them. But i digress, sory for last minute changes, and sorry for the confusion.
Aklso sorry for youtube! lol. had ot make a brand new channel jut to get the vid uploaded... spent quite a deal of time editing it too, so hopefully.. it came out ok ><
Im also nto a profssional editor lol :3 Learnign alot as i do things, so these evets and whatnot are all being used for me to imporve, and also for some light-hearted fun forthe ship , nexr event will hjave
1) more planning
2)more planing
3) (more planning)
4)lol. you get the idea.
Thanks to everyoen for being so patient!

Themes are ok, I think what everyone is upset about is the last minute change/addition of rules. But we see that you guys are willing to learn from this and hope for the next events to be as successful as the first one.

Also, given that you've stated multiple times that you aren't that good in using the forums I am not sure whether the comment


Im opne to constructive criticsim, but please. no need to be rude, i was just tryinn to do somehting nice for ppl lol!
applies only to me (since that's what you quoted XD) or to everyone/anyone who may have commented so far, but while I try to be as objective as possible I may have slipped in a few words that came out wrongly on your end which unintentionally sounded rude (given the nature of constructive criticism) and thus I feel an apology should be in order. Sorry.

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 25, 2015, 10:21 PM
Arredoval, im having trouble getting in contact with you to give you your 2nd place prize >< otp issus havemade it a nightmare to even login , >< just hit me up when you can ^^ hopefully you check this forum post ^^ (ive also messaged you, hoping one of them catches yuor eye ^^)

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 25, 2015, 10:24 PM
Themes are ok, I think what everyone is upset about is the last minute change/addition of rules. But we see that you guys are willing to learn from this and hope for the next events to be as successful as the first one.

Also, given that you've stated multiple times that you aren't that good in using the forums I am not sure whether the comment

applies only to me (since that's what you quoted XD) or to everyone/anyone who may have commented so far, but while I try to be as objective as possible I may have slipped in a few words that came out wrongly on your end which unintentionally sounded rude (given the nature of constructive criticism) and thus I feel an apology should be in order. Sorry.

Oh i didnt mean anyoen was being rude to me! i was just saying, please, let us ( or more accurately, let me knwo) what we did wrong, and right, so that stuff can be applied to future events ^^ Some ppl get a il nasty abotu constucticce cristiscism, so i added that line to fend off anyoen that was gonna be nasty abiout it lol xD

JC200X
Sep 26, 2015, 04:51 AM
What went wrong? It's been said a number of times by now.

During the first round, I was notified by one of the spectators on Skype that the model walk LA is now allowed.

To be frank, I was very concerned aswell with the introduction of themes when they said there were themes just before the contest was about to start. The organizer has admitted this to be a last minute addition based on a guildie's suggestion and didn't want them in originally.

My biggest problem with it was sudden changes of rules. Suddenly including themes and suddenly allowing a non-pose LA.

Themes are ok, I think what everyone is upset about is the last minute change/addition of rules.
Just don't do any last minute rule changes and/or additions in your future contests. Even if the theme rule was optional, they are a very large part of fashion contests. It'd be pretty risky not to follow the rule, optional or not.

Also, I don't know why Nyansan is apologizing. He/she didn't seem to be rude at all nor does anyone else. If anyone was being rude, it was me. I still stand by it, mainly to emphasize my point.

Nyansan
Sep 26, 2015, 05:03 AM
Also, I don't know why Nyansan is apologizing. He/she didn't seem to be rude at all nor does anyone else.

That's cuz I'm living up to the typical Asian stereotype of being submissive and apologetic :wacko: lmao

Anduril
Sep 26, 2015, 12:52 PM
Just in case anyone is interested, here is my proposal for a possible way to do a future contest that addresses some of people's concerns, as well as my own:

[spoiler-box]
Contest Date: DD/MM/YY
Contestant check-in deadline: XX:XX [1]
Contest start time: XX:XX

The contest will be comprised of three theme rounds and one final round. Contestants will be expected to be prepared with ensembles covering the following themes: (Theme 1), (Theme 2), (Theme 3), (Theme 4), (Theme 5) [2]. Before the beginning of each round (or in the case of the first round, upon check-in) contestants will be told which of the five possible themes has been selected for the round, and will be given five minutes to change into their ensemble and return for the next round. The Final Round will be a freestyle round without a set theme.

Contestants will pose [3] before the judges, then give a one text-bubble explanation of their outfit in relation to the theme [4]. Judging will consist of three criteria (interpretation of theme [5], creativity of ensemble [6], and cohesion of design [7]), and each criteria will be given a score out of 5 [8] by each judge. Each contestant's total point score will be used to determine which six will participate in the Final Round [9].
[1] Contestant order will be determined upon check-in. If the check-in time is missed, contest organizers are under no obligation to allow the late contestant to participate.
[2] It is recommended that contestants have their ensembles saved at the salon for quick changing.
[3] Permitted lobby actions to be determined by contest organizer.
[4] Having this prepared beforehand as a chat shortcut is highly advised.
[5] Based on contestant's explanation of ensemble, but filtered through the judge's opinion.
[6] Is it more than just adding a couple of accessories to a collaboration costume?
[7] Do the costume, hairstyle, makeup, accessories, and weapon/camo go well together, or is it just a random mess of colors and parts?
[8] 1 - Terrible; 2 - Could be better; 3 - Decent; 4 - Good, but not great; 5 - Amazing
[9] Previous point totals are wiped clean for the Final Round.
[/spoiler-box]

Pso2 Pixie Stix
Sep 28, 2015, 09:46 PM
Just in case anyone is interested, here is my proposal for a possible way to do a future contest that addresses some of people's concerns, as well as my own:

[spoiler-box]
Contest Date: DD/MM/YY
Contestant check-in deadline: XX:XX [1]
Contest start time: XX:XX

The contest will be comprised of three theme rounds and one final round. Contestants will be expected to be prepared with ensembles covering the following themes: (Theme 1), (Theme 2), (Theme 3), (Theme 4), (Theme 5) [2]. Before the beginning of each round (or in the case of the first round, upon check-in) contestants will be told which of the five possible themes has been selected for the round, and will be given five minutes to change into their ensemble and return for the next round. The Final Round will be a freestyle round without a set theme.

Contestants will pose [3] before the judges, then give a one text-bubble explanation of their outfit in relation to the theme [4]. Judging will consist of three criteria (interpretation of theme [5], creativity of ensemble [6], and cohesion of design [7]), and each criteria will be given a score out of 5 [8] by each judge. Each contestant's total point score will be used to determine which six will participate in the Final Round [9].
[1] Contestant order will be determined upon check-in. If the check-in time is missed, contest organizers are under no obligation to allow the late contestant to participate.
[2] It is recommended that contestants have their ensembles saved at the salon for quick changing.
[3] Permitted lobby actions to be determined by contest organizer.
[4] Having this prepared beforehand as a chat shortcut is highly advised.
[5] Based on contestant's explanation of ensemble, but filtered through the judge's opinion.
[6] Is it more than just adding a couple of accessories to a collaboration costume?
[7] Do the costume, hairstyle, makeup, accessories, and weapon/camo go well together, or is it just a random mess of colors and parts?
[8] 1 - Terrible; 2 - Could be better; 3 - Decent; 4 - Good, but not great; 5 - Amazing
[9] Previous point totals are wiped clean for the Final Round.
[/spoiler-box]
wow, you really seem to have thought of everythign :o
seems liek really good outline ^^ im probly going to hold one sooner than christmas, thats just so far away!
i bookmarkd this page, really good ideas ^^ ty ^^