(Story Spoiler p.9) Datamined Content : Episode 3 Final Bosses BGM [Archive]

Poyonche

Oct 3, 2015, 08:07 PM

Dark Falz Double Track 1 (being fixed by Zanverse ) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/y46lwzc7pgtmrby/Dark%20Falz%20Double.mp3?dl=0

Dark Falz Double Track 2 (being fixed by Zanverse ) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/10hrxpqf0oxciwb/Dark%20Falz%20Double%202%20Fixed.mp3?dl=0

Lets call it IDOLA Kindergarten :wacko:

Dark Falz Double Surprise (What is it ? I don't know. Maybe a special Attack supposed to wipe the MPA ? Or maybe because we are about to fail the EQ ? Idk.) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/pkihwehr0kyo9cj/Dark%20Falz%20Double%203.mp3?dl=0

Strange Fruits (https://www.dropbox.com/s/cbuqq9jgflsmka2/SIN_ISF.mp3)
Ooze (https://www.dropbox.com/s/5i3uhr7zxgxcgb6/SIN_Ooze.mp3)
Episode 3 ending (https://www.dropbox.com/s/es0ivlfuljyqf38/Episode%203%20ending.mp3?dl=0)

Transition + Remixed ARKS Theme (https://www.dropbox.com/s/q7y7xe2jnwdewrm/SIN_bgm_wholenewroldwithintro.mp3?dl=0)

Seems connected to Strange Fruits instead of Ooze :-?

Pre-Dark Falz Double speech (Brigitta) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/7dstqe3kjn4pn1b/11_voice_navi01_212.wav?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bg2eqh0hnyyf01s/11_voice_navi01_213.wav?dl=0

Pre-Profound Darkness speech (Henrietta) : https://www.dropbox.com/s/tovontfrera0rtp/11_voice_navi06_105.wav?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7r5lwk3bls4fv7y/11_voice_navi06_106.wav?dl=0

Thanks to all the people who participed in the music reconstruction and Maenera who found the files.

Due to the new things we discovered, I decided to put a story spoiler in the title. If you haven't gone to 3-6 yet, please be careful while reading in and after page 9 (if your display is 10 messages per pages)

GHNeko

Oct 3, 2015, 08:15 PM

Unlimited Kreygasm Works @ PSO1 music.

GIVE ME MUH NOSTALGIA SEGAGAGA.

Maenara

Oct 3, 2015, 08:18 PM

There were also some mystery BGMs I wasn't able to identify.

Poyonche

Oct 3, 2015, 08:22 PM

Oh yeah i forgot them. I'll upload them tomorrow. Or you can do it, idk.

wahahaha

Oct 3, 2015, 08:34 PM

Where is TD4
Where is Matoi

Rakurai

Oct 3, 2015, 08:35 PM

I don't think the TD4 and Apprentice themes are likely to be in the datamine at this point.

The Profound Darkness themes probably are, though.

Maenara

Oct 3, 2015, 08:37 PM

The Profound Darkness themes probably are, though.

They aren't.

LonelyGaruga

Oct 3, 2015, 08:40 PM

So I helped Maenera Senpai to put this together, and we get Dark Falz Double BGM !
I was too lazy for the PSO1 BGM

PSO1 BGM is already used in the game in the form of room BGM discs. Kinda curious about Dark Falz Double's "surprise" though. It doesn't seem anything that was shown in the trailers corresponds with what this could be.

Rakurai

Oct 3, 2015, 08:49 PM

I'm assuming it's probably just that rocket charge attack they use, since we saw all of their attacks that were found in the datamining in the trailers, as far as I'm aware.

Maenara

Oct 3, 2015, 08:59 PM

Apparently, the mystery songs were PSO1 Crater and Crater Exterior.

GHNeko

Oct 3, 2015, 09:06 PM

CRATER EXTERIOR

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAA

MY DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK

Maenara

Oct 3, 2015, 09:21 PM

Also, Underworld.

GHNeko

Oct 3, 2015, 09:40 PM

who gives a shit

CRATER EXTERIOR

AWWWWW YISSS MOTHER FUCKAAAAAAA

Chimeria

Oct 3, 2015, 10:55 PM

Those Falz Double tracks are kind of hard on the ears...I hate how majority of the music in PSO2 is so frantic sometimes.

Para

Oct 3, 2015, 11:09 PM

A lot of the PSO music has been in the game for awhile now... I attest to this because I own some of the tracks for my room.

Vatallus

Oct 3, 2015, 11:20 PM

PokeminMaster

Oct 3, 2015, 11:23 PM

I'm still waiting to see if the boss after Double is Matoi and if Matoi is possibly Anga. All because they said Anga was related to the new boss. I just want to know man... and to smash a new boss. I like killing bosses. I have problems man. Help me fix my problems by giving the new boss. :bash:
Isn't it already confirmed that Anga is just one of its spawns and that it is Matoi?

Vatallus

Oct 3, 2015, 11:24 PM

Isn't it already confirmed that Anga is just one of its spawns and that it is Matoi?

I don't remember Sega confirming anything. But with how they like to throw enemies at us right as they reveal it probably is... well except Apprentice and Double took awhile to actually transform. Guess I'll go ask that guy that watches their live streams religiously.

edit: No they never confirmed it and Anga is a by product of it, an eidolon. Also even if this is Profound it seems reliable to assume from leaks that this won't be its only form.

edit 2: I'll add links as soon as I can get them and verify they aren't just double and apprentice in falz form.

PokeminMaster

Oct 3, 2015, 11:32 PM

edit: No they never confirmed it and Anga is a by product of it, an eidolon. Also even if this is Profound it seems reliable to assume from leaks that this won't be its only form.
I didn't mean by SEGA, I meant internal code found through datamining (also there are just so many signs pointing toward Matoi)

And as for the forms, yeah I've seen the render that was pulled from the code

I stay up to date with everything regarding PSO2, including datamining, it's the only reason I would know something like this though... I also have hour-long discussions with friends lol

The Walrus

Oct 3, 2015, 11:39 PM

what if ep4 is them bringing everything back from pso1

GHNeko

Oct 3, 2015, 11:41 PM

what if ep4 is them bringing everything back from pso1

pls this

PLS PLS

I NEED CRATER EXTERIOR IN MY LIFE AGAIN

AAUUGHHH

Vatallus

Oct 3, 2015, 11:46 PM

Decided to just make a new post instead of editing my old one since things are moving along.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Nuclear_Knight/Falz1_zps6fvttton.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Nuclear_Knight/Falz3_zps7b5t68o8.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

And I don't know about the other two but it seems the one below is going to have some form of WB resistance.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Nuclear_Knight/Falz2_zpsgztjhypt.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

Maenara

Oct 3, 2015, 11:47 PM

I'm still waiting to see if the boss after Double is Matoi and if Matoi is possibly Anga. All because they said Anga was related to the new boss. I just want to know man... and to smash a new boss. I like killing bosses. I have problems man. Help me fix my problems by giving the new boss. :bash:

Anga is Matoi's mag. Matoi is a Profound Darkness. Latter statement confirmed in-game and by datamining, while the former is only confirmed by datamining.

Vatallus

Oct 3, 2015, 11:50 PM

Anga is Matoi's mag. Matoi is a Profound Darkness. Latter statement confirmed in-game and by datamining, while the former is only confirmed by datamining.

Yeah I know shes Profound Darkness, was just wondering how Anga was related and if the new boss was her or just a spawn of hers. Thanks for the info

Maenara

Oct 3, 2015, 11:52 PM

Yeah I know shes Profound Darkness, was just wondering how Anga was related and if the new boss was her or just a spawn of hers. Thanks for the info

Datamined model for PD's hunar form has a mag. Mag is Anga's head.

Meteor Weapon

Oct 4, 2015, 12:12 AM

LonelyGaruga

Oct 4, 2015, 01:59 AM

Anga Fundarge can't exclusively be a byproduct of the Profound Darkness' existence because Anga Fundarge and Ultimate have existed before the Profound Darkness's resurrection, storywise. Anga Fundarge is also stated to come from another timeline. Or at least, 時間軸. Which is time axis, which I think is supposed to mean timeline.

This leaves a few possibilities for the Anga connection, besides the obvious "Anga Fundarge is Matoi's mag" (which is true but not the whole story). Anga Fundarge could be a byproduct of Matoi's incomplete PD transformation in EP 2-5, or it could have been a result of the time traveling Matoi or the player did from there, for example. Anga Fundarge would appear to have been increasing the infection rate on Naberius in preparation for the Profound Darkness' resurrection, and may in fact have helped speed it up as a result. Problem with Anga is, it wasn't introduced in a story quest so there's really not much information about it.

As for whether or not Matoi is the Profound Darkness: Double called her by that name, and the weapons that are in the Zieg trade-in based on the aesthetic of Double's followup boss have Darkness Soul. Straight up confirmation there.

Rakurai

Oct 4, 2015, 02:04 AM

Dark Falz Double's theme is still a little underwhelming to me compared to Loser's theme and the theme of their first form, though I like the phase 2 version more then the one we've been hearing.

suzaku0zero0

Oct 4, 2015, 03:13 AM

Any info if double drops stones for austere?

AlphaBlob

Oct 4, 2015, 03:28 AM

Falz Double BGM remind me of Mephiles from Sonic 06 so much, it's not even funny.

Shadowth117

Oct 4, 2015, 04:14 AM

Any info if double drops stones for austere?

Its not confirmed I don't think, but its highly likely considering the stone reqs.

Ezodagrom

Oct 4, 2015, 05:30 AM

Falz Double BGM remind me of Mephiles from Sonic 06 so much, it's not even funny.
Hideaki Kobayashi (PSO2 sound director) was the composer for most boss tracks in Sonic 06.

landman

Oct 4, 2015, 06:12 AM

Anga Fundarge can't exclusively be a byproduct of the Profound Darkness' existence because Anga Fundarge and Ultimate have existed before the Profound Darkness's resurrection, storywise. Anga Fundarge is also stated to come from another timeline.
I hope you are not getting this fact from EQ and Ultimate quest itself, Story mode does not always advance at the same pace as game content, example being second phase Magatsu, any Mine defense, or an easy old example: PSU casino launched with the expansion, but in story it only existed AFTER Episode 3 ended, more than a year later.

Poyonche

Oct 4, 2015, 06:22 AM

Fixed the second track (which I guess is in fact Dark Falz Double - Phase 1)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/10hrxpqf0oxciwb/Dark%20Falz%20Double%202%20Fixed.mp3?dl=0

Shinamori

Oct 4, 2015, 06:30 AM

Any info on Profound Soul stats?

Poyonche

Oct 4, 2015, 06:31 AM

Didn't find anything about affixes. Sorreh.

Sayara

Oct 4, 2015, 07:35 AM

Double Hunars theme is SO much better than Falz :|
Also seems we traded synthed opera singers for violins this time i guess lol.

saraishadow

Oct 4, 2015, 07:49 AM

Chimeria

Oct 4, 2015, 08:32 AM

Angel IMO has the best Theme, for me Hunar and Double's are tied.

(Using Hunar to describe their combat forms is a bit incorrect, I use Falz since all of em use that as part of the name of their combat form)

Angel does have a pretty cool theme. I personally like Loser's better because of the Olga Flow references.
In one of the trailers for the winter updates, I heard a remixed version of PSIV's "Laughter." Anyone know what they're using that for?

Rakurai

Oct 4, 2015, 08:58 AM

In one of the trailers for the winter updates, I heard a remixed version of PSIV's "Laughter." Anyone know what they're using that for?

Care to link said trailer? Because I don't recall any trailers for winter updates other then the one for TD4, which had the Strange Fruits remix.

Poyonche

Oct 4, 2015, 09:01 AM

Isn't the music they are using PSIV's Ooze ?

They are also using PSO1's Episode 3 IDOLA strange fruit for TD4 and "creation" cutscene of Profound Darkness.

PrinceBrightstar

Oct 4, 2015, 09:09 AM

This was all mined long ago actually as soon as the last precede came out. Here's a breakdown of Falz internal names so far.

Hunar: MDF
Hands: DF2
Elder: DF3
Angel: MDF2
Loser: BDF
Double: DFT

Since the precede last came out before TGS, we'll likely see 'IDOLA' The Strange Fruits and OOZE in the next one. Sega will likely announce a patch some time next week

Chimeria

Oct 4, 2015, 09:26 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIG5lcwOndw

My mistake, it is Ooze. ^^;

Regardless it's still good to see the team reaching back into PS's history and grabbing things from previous games other than PSO. I'm actually hoping to see Mother-Brain return as well. They speak of having the game around for 8 years...I'm curious to see the direction they go in after the Dark Falz saga is concluded.

PokeminMaster

Oct 4, 2015, 11:46 AM

Huh, I'm still thinking Matoi is just another Falz who has the closest connection to Profound Darkness than any other Falzes instead of being the Profound Darkness herself, hench the datamined name DF Abyss.
Well considering that [Double] literally welcomed the Profound Darkness back, I don't think that's the case

LonelyGaruga

Oct 4, 2015, 12:04 PM

I hope you are not getting this fact from EQ and Ultimate quest itself, Story mode does not always advance at the same pace as game content, example being second phase Magatsu, any Mine defense, or an easy old example: PSU casino launched with the expansion, but in story it only existed AFTER Episode 3 ended, more than a year later.

Magatsu phase 2 does work with the story (too many Magatsu were sealed from phase 1 so ARKS needs to exterminate them), and MBD thus far hasn't had anything to do with the story and is exceptionally unclear about what's going on besides a darker assault on mining bases. Apprentice was shown leading it in the initial trailers, but that scene has never been shown in-game, when she does show up in the story mode at a MBD area it has nothing to do with the MBD quests, and now with MBD4 it would appear that it was ARKS that was looking for Apprentice's body to eliminate it, not Apprentice looking for her body as was the popular, and apparently unfounded, theory.

To give a counter example, PSO2 EP3's redesigned ARKS ship layouts came after Luther's defeat and the overhaul of ARKS as a whole, which corresponds well with the story progression.

And Xiao is the one that talks about Anga, and given that he's responsible for managing story quests I think it's pretty likely that it's canon that Anga's been around for a while.

PokeminMaster

Oct 4, 2015, 12:13 PM

Magatsu phase 2 does work with the story (too many Magatsu were sealed from phase 1 so ARKS needs to exterminate them), and MBD thus far hasn't had anything to do with the story and is exceptionally unclear about what's going on besides a darker assault on mining bases. Apprentice was shown leading it in the initial trailers, but that scene has never been shown in-game, when she does show up in the story mode at a MBD area it has nothing to do with the MBD quests, and now with MBD4 it would appear that it was ARKS that was looking for Apprentice's body to eliminate it, not Apprentice looking for her body as was the popular, and apparently unfounded, theory.
That theory isn't unfounded, considering that's what she's doing in her appearance at the Quarry in Episode 2 and the Mining Base in Episode 3...

Also, Vatallus, I think this is enough to prove the identity
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/04T9skq.jpg[/spoiler-box]

Vatallus

Oct 4, 2015, 01:44 PM

snip

Not sure what has been proven since none of the models have been the giant white anga style boss that comes after Double in the upcoming EQ. Or was that suppose to be its head during that EQ? We know Matoi transformed but until 3-7 comes Sega has been smart enough to keep that specific boss in that specific EQ out of the files. Which has been my question the whole time.

I'd rather keep all options open rather than close them due to some datamined info... Otherwise we would still be calling Persona Zeno, as an example of how things can change when the rest of the info is presented.

Also I think LonelyGaruga noted that new weapons come with Darkness Soul. Which does seem to be a legit reason to believe that the boss might be PD. Though I do recall minions like Apos also drop Loser Soul.

Everyone has neat ideas and theories. I just like keeping my options open when not everything is here yet.

LonelyGaruga

Oct 4, 2015, 02:17 PM

That theory isn't unfounded, considering that's what she's doing in her appearance at the Quarry in Episode 2 and the Mining Base in Episode 3...

Shows how much I pay attention to Apprentice's parts in the story! Thanks for the correction.

Not sure what has been proven since none of the models have been the giant white anga style boss that comes after Double in the upcoming EQ. Or was that suppose to be its head during that EQ? We know Matoi transformed but until 3-7 comes Sega has been smart enough to keep that specific boss in that specific EQ out of the files. Which has been my question the whole time..

The head is what DpDepthHuman (the one with the sword and gun) looks like unmasked. The boss following Dark Falz Double, DpAbyss (there are files related to DpDepthHuman that are labeled DpAbyssHuman) had its scripts datamined, and has transformation states for white, black, and SPFinish (the datamined model is presumably for SpFinish). White and black correspond with what's been shown in trailers, and the first reveal of the boss showed a couple seconds of it entering a third transformation that depicted it unfolding the petals around the core before the trailer finishes the gameplay coverage. The upper torso of DpAbyss is right where the core of the boss shown forms, which is what's generally facing players in the trailers. Many of the attacks that were datamined also correspond with what was shown in trailers, including the four attack bits (which resemble the SH infections as a bit of trivia).

I don't know where people got the idea that Persona was Zeno, so I can only talk about this specific case, but there's overwhelming evidence that DpDepthHuman, which we know is Matoi, is also DpAbyss. We also know that Matoi became the Profound Darkness, because Double said so. Thus, Matoi = DpDepthHuman = DpAbyss = Profound Darkness.

PokeminMaster

Oct 4, 2015, 08:48 PM

the four attack bits (which resemble the SH infections as a bit of trivia)
I could be wrong on this, but I also feel like each one is at least a slight nod to the individual Dark Falz

The one covered with eyes shoots lasers that seem slightly reminiscent of Elder's
The one composed of two blades is quite similar to Loser's twin swords in a way
The one that "bites" players is a bit similar to Double's overall jaw/consumption motif
The last one seems to be a pincer, which is common for bugs to have, so possibly a nod to Apprentice

A weak connection at best, but I still think it's interesting. On another note, I wonder if they'll be breakable parts (also, based on the fact that PD has 8 limbs, I think it's safe to assume there are 2 of each); and... did anyone else notice the MUCH larger-scale variants of these shown while it was in its black form?

LonelyGaruga

Oct 4, 2015, 09:11 PM

Those correspond to the infections too, or at least, that's what I would have matched them up as being.

Pincer/claw = bug infection (technically, it's a horned skull, but the horns form pincers, bit of an oddball)
Eye = fish infection (easy match)
Scythes = bird infection (change the wings into scythes)
Mouth = toy/hand infection (change the hand into a mouth and it works, bit of a stretch though).

Dunno about breakables, but I do believe there's two of each kind, one per petal. It's certain that there's two of the eye one at least, since they were shown simultaneously in the reveal trailer. But I don't notice any size differences when comparing them. I made an album (http://imgur.com/a/UCeOg#48) from the first reveal trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcJAW-PtqMM), but haven't gotten to the one from the last live broadcast yet (there really wasn't much new shown anyway). I think it's just that the PD is so much closer in black phase than white phase that the bits just appear to be larger.

Oddly, they seem to be entirely absent from the SPFinish model.

Rakurai

Oct 5, 2015, 03:01 AM

I'd assume you have to destroy all of them to end the first phase, which might explain why they're gone on the final phase's model.

Poyonche

Oct 5, 2015, 05:34 AM

Off-topic : Bumped.org didn't put their story section in the update post (nvm, i just saw it), so I assume not many people saw this picture of Persona designing himself as "Dark Falz Persona" and talking about PD.

http://i.imgur.com/aOjwhML.png

The event that connects past, present, and future. With only a single objective, the one who has traveled through this endless story will come but to one conclusion.

LonelyGaruga

Oct 5, 2015, 01:13 PM

Yeah, the story update wasn't up when the article was made. It was edited in.

Is it possible to get a translation of that? What I can make out is

私はダークファルス【仮面】.
?が??の?いは
【深遠なる闇】の抹消.

The first line is "I am Dark Falz [Persona]". The third line I think I correctly identified the kanji, but is part of the same sentence as the second line, which has several spots I can't figure out (which I rendered as ?). The kanji after the Profound Darkness' name means erasure/delete, if it's accurate.

On a different note, interesting that Persona finally calls itself a Dark Falz. Wonder if [Persona] really is the name or if Apprentice's nickname was just adopted.

Kayarine

Oct 5, 2015, 01:18 PM

……私はダークファルス【仮面】。
我が根源の願いは
【深遠なる闇】の抹消。

......I am Dark Falz [Persona].
My base wish is
the erasure of [The Profound Darkness].

Overly literal translation warning, etc. The word I translated as "base" can also mean source, origin, foundation, etc.

Rakurai

Oct 5, 2015, 10:27 PM

Zanverse

Oct 6, 2015, 04:13 PM

PokeminMaster

Oct 6, 2015, 04:35 PM

And for those that think the 'IDOLA' the Strange Fruits remix is for Apprentice, just remember that all TD BGMs follow a specific tempo throughout the whole thing, and that remix is most definitely does not have the same tempo. I also doubt they'd just slap on a redone song for a boss like Apprentice...
If you ask me, I think they'll use it for the fight against Matoi

Maenara

Oct 6, 2015, 04:43 PM

The arrangement for the DB Double tracks are a bit... off, at certain places.

Datamining tracks like these isn't an exact science - The tracks are divided into over 700 2-second bits that overlap with one another, it takes a trained ear to put them together correctly.

LonelyGaruga

Oct 6, 2015, 04:55 PM

The arrangement for the DB Double tracks are a bit... off, at certain places. But I like it very much. While the Dourumble BGM was more hyped and chaotic, this one sounds calm yet unsettling, IMO. Definitely not my favorite boss BGM, but still decent. Waiting for that Ooze remix, though.

And for those that think the 'IDOLA' the Strange Fruits remix is for Apprentice, just remember that all TD BGMs follow a specific tempo throughout the whole thing, and that remix is most definitely does not have the same tempo. I also doubt they'd just slap on a redone song for a boss like Apprentice...

That's what it looks like they're doing for the Profound Darkness as is, just with Ooze instead. As far as I'm aware, Ooze and 'IDOLA' the Strange Fruits are thus far the only songs that have been actually remixed instead of having portions of the song referenced, as has been the case in a majority of PSO2's music. A new song for MBD seems pretty likely as well, considering it's completely unlike the rest of the MBD quests. It would appear that the base is an elevator that's traveling underground where Apprentice is at, in which case the darker assault is a defensive and not an offensive, an attempt to prevent ARKS from reaching Apprentice. This is also the first MBD quest since Apprentice was defeated in Chapter 3-4, which furthers the separation from it and the three previous MBD quests.

It's a little early to tell with the music, but both songs will be present somewhere, at the very least. Just a matter of figuring out where.

Dark Falz Double's in-game theme can be heard in the Halloween trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9BJxc83oIY) if you haven't checked it yet, by the way.

Zanverse

Oct 6, 2015, 08:28 PM

If you ask me, I think they'll use it for the fight against Matoi

That's what it looks like they're doing for the Profound Darkness as is, just with Ooze instead. As far as I'm aware, Ooze and 'IDOLA' the Strange Fruits are thus far the only songs that have been actually remixed instead of having portions of the song referenced, as has been the case in a majority of PSO2's music. A new song for MBD seems pretty likely as well, considering it's completely unlike the rest of the MBD quests. It would appear that the base is an elevator that's traveling underground where Apprentice is at, in which case the darker assault is a defensive and not an offensive, an attempt to prevent ARKS from reaching Apprentice. This is also the first MBD quest since Apprentice was defeated in Chapter 3-4, which furthers the separation from it and the three previous MBD quests.

It's a little early to tell with the music, but both songs will be present somewhere, at the very least. Just a matter of figuring out where.

Dark Falz Double's in-game theme can be heard in the Halloween trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9BJxc83oIY) if you haven't checked it yet, by the way.

I assume that the Ooze remix will be for the PD Hunar fight in the story. But there is one huge possibility that I should mention: The Strange Fruits remix could probably end up being the conclusive BGM for PD or Apprentice (Doubt Apprentice, because she does not even have a connection with Castor and Pollux, like Loser and Olga, for example), like how each Dark Falz BGM has a remix of the PSO2 theme as the conclusive BGM of the boss. But like LonelyGaruga said, I'd wait before being too sure about it.

Datamining tracks like these isn't an exact science - The tracks are divided into over 700 2-second bits that overlap with one another, it takes a trained ear to put them together correctly.

So I've heard. Next time if you need someone to put tracks together, I'd gladly do it since I'm not usually busy, and I work with music on my free time anyway. Depending on the length of the track and the amount of segments, it would take only 30-45 minutes tops.

LonelyGaruga

Oct 6, 2015, 09:37 PM

PokeminMaster

Oct 6, 2015, 09:41 PM

I might be mistaken (never touched PSO), but wasn't 'IDOLA' the Strange Fruits also the BGM for Amplam Umbra (sp?)? Seems like there's sufficient connection with that for Apprentice, since she spawns enemies mid-fight.
Pollux and Castor both used it as well, which is my reason for thinking it'll be used for the combat form of PD... but eh, who knows

Maenara

Oct 6, 2015, 09:50 PM

The Strange Fruits remix is probably for Profound Darkness' combat form, considering its design incorporates direct references to both Castor and Pollux, with the red sword on one arm and blue gun on the other.

PrinceBrightstar

Oct 9, 2015, 01:16 AM

Looks like you win. I just took a look at the Precede and both Ooze and 'IDOLA' The Strange Fruits are in the PD fight, in addition to another PSO2 theme remix.

Maenara

Oct 9, 2015, 01:20 AM

Looks like you win. I just took a look at the Precede and both Ooze and 'IDOLA' The Strange Fruits are in the PD fight, in addition to another PSO2 theme remix.

Think you can arrange them together?

PokeminMaster

Oct 9, 2015, 01:23 AM

Looks like you win. I just took a look at the Precede and both Ooze and 'IDOLA' The Strange Fruits are in the PD fight, in addition to another PSO2 theme remix.
Think you could upload the main theme remix at some point? I'd love to hear it

preset

Oct 9, 2015, 03:07 AM

Strange Fruits (https://www.dropbox.com/s/cbuqq9jgflsmka2/SIN_ISF.mp3)
Ooze (https://www.dropbox.com/s/5i3uhr7zxgxcgb6/SIN_Ooze.mp3)
Episode 3 ending (https://www.dropbox.com/s/es0ivlfuljyqf38/Episode%203%20ending.mp3?dl=0)

Rakurai

Oct 9, 2015, 03:18 AM

Wonder if any of the themes are used for the fight against the PD-possessed Matoi prior to her using her combat form.

Maenara

Oct 9, 2015, 03:32 AM

arkeido

Oct 9, 2015, 03:48 AM

I tried to construct the "Whole New World" part
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/yhqpvqdp1bd41nm/SIN_bgm_wholenewworld.mp3?dl=0)

Please excuse the half-assed audio editing skill

Shinamori

Oct 9, 2015, 03:54 AM

Awesome. Did it have a transition leading to it?

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 04:02 AM

Amazing !

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 04:03 AM

I'll edit title + links once I'm on computer.

arkeido

Oct 9, 2015, 04:09 AM

Awesome. Did it have a transition leading to it?

Looks like this is the transition, I might be wrong though
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/cncf6k3mn50l48o/SIN_bgm_3o_001.mp3?dl=0)
Mixed (https://www.dropbox.com/s/q7y7xe2jnwdewrm/SIN_bgm_wholenewroldwithintro.mp3?dl=0)

Seems connected to Strange Fruits instead of Ooze :-?

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 04:13 AM

I guess the two first forms will use Ooze while the final form will use the Idola theme.

Maenara

Oct 9, 2015, 04:23 AM

So, uh, I couldn't find a theme for PD's combat form... Is it just going to use Ooze too? That's kinda lame.

oratank

Oct 9, 2015, 04:29 AM

that sound like happy ending song for horrible fate of matoi

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 04:30 AM

The ending theme could be an anime ending like Fairy Tail. :wacko:

I'll look for Navigator voice files.

Azure Falcon

Oct 9, 2015, 05:28 AM

Is it bad that the thing I'm most looking forward to in regards to all the upcoming new content is simply hearing IDOLA The Strange Fruits in-game?

No way Ep3 isn't getting a happy ending with Matoi being saved going by that credits theme.

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 05:32 AM

Brigitta has the Dark Falz Double speech.

When is Hilda getting a speech ?

arkeido

Oct 9, 2015, 05:39 AM

So, uh, I couldn't find a theme for PD's combat form... Is it just going to use Ooze too? That's kinda lame.

Could it be this?

Ver1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zi00fblvl92eyv/ARH_H_O_01_T164_B5.mp3?dl=0)
Ver2 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/o6tz25rid7kh340/ARH_N_O_02_T152_B4.mp3?dl=0)
please excuse more low audio reconstruction skill level

It's in 4e6d39398095c46f6c90cf44d4f24883
and the BGM sounds a bit like anga theme.

Brigitta has the Dark Falz Double speech.

When is Hilda getting a speech ?

Isn't Hilda already on Elder?

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 05:41 AM

I never heard this BGM before.

Maybe it is what we are looking for. Though the name of the BGM looks like a name for an area. Maybe for Ultimate Ruins because we will be going there in the story quest.

After listening to one of the version : I can't choose between the two answers. Doesn't sound epic enough for a fight against the most powerful Darker, but there are those Anga "sounds" that makes me think it will be used for a fight.

Hilda is on Elder, but she needs another one because you know... Elder... meh

Brigitta got Falz Arms, DF Loser and now DF Double
Melitta got Apos Doritos and Mining Base Defense Trilogy
Henrietta got Magatsu and Profound Darkness
Hilda got Elder

oratank

Oct 9, 2015, 05:56 AM

that song sound like persona game meet pso

preset

Oct 9, 2015, 05:56 AM

please excuse more low audio reconstruction skill level
I don't believe any level of audio reconstruction skill could save that guitar tone.

Maybe it is what we are looking for. Though the name of the BGM looks like a name for an area. Maybe for Ultimate Ruins because we will be going there in the story quest.

After listening to one of the version : I can't choose between the two answers. Doesn't sound epic enough for a fight against the most powerful Darker, but there are those Anga "sounds" that makes me think it will be used for a fight.

It's referred to as boss_arh, so it's definitely not for an area. H versions are generally what plays for an infected enemy.
It is a pretty lousy track; Anga's theme is a bad base for an episode end boss.

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 05:58 AM

I found a file : 11_sound_voice_dp_abyss

It has two variant, m and f. And it sounds nothing like Matoi.

Upload complete : https://www.dropbox.com/s/92nwwqml98t20bi/11_sound_voice_dp_abyss.rar?dl=0

oratank

Oct 9, 2015, 06:08 AM

persona maybe

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 06:23 AM

Tutorial Picture :

-Dark Falz Double will feature a "Arks Level" depending on how your ship is doing against it.
You'll get some boosts, idk what. There will be 3 levels.

Flaoc

Oct 9, 2015, 06:27 AM

i guess somewhat relevant to topic

went and extended ooze and idola the strange fruits (pso2 versions.. ooze was a bit tricky but oh well.. youtube versions blah)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk52_3hqraE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R39FuQXuN8M

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 06:33 AM

What !? It isn't a Dropbox file ? YOU ARE FIRED BRU
Thanks for extending the songs.

Does someone have any clue what this could mean ?

http://i.imgur.com/YDemd6X.png

Also this :
http://i.imgur.com/VTa6rr3.png

Ezodagrom

Oct 9, 2015, 06:33 AM

I found a file : 11_sound_voice_dp_abyss

It has two variant, m and f. And it sounds nothing like Matoi.

Upload complete : https://www.dropbox.com/s/92nwwqml98t20bi/11_sound_voice_dp_abyss.rar?dl=0
That...really sounds like an even more distorted Persona voice.

arkeido

Oct 9, 2015, 06:37 AM

persona maybe

That...really sounds like an even more distorted Persona voice.

Time for plot twist?
Persona take PD power with Clarissa and let himself destroyed instead of Matoi

What !? It isn't a Dropbox file ? YOU ARE FIRED BRU
Thanks for extending the songs.

Does someone have any clue what this could mean ?

http://i.imgur.com/YDemd6X.png

Looks like the portable set change like in class counter

"チャレンジセット = Challenge Set"

Flaoc

Oct 9, 2015, 06:39 AM

Time for plot twist?
Persona take PD power with Clarissa and let himself destroyed instead of Matoi

Looks like the portable set change like in class counter

if thats true that will be the savior of us all (mostly forces though)

saraishadow

Oct 9, 2015, 06:42 AM

According to story the player character can be any class, most ARKS can only use one class type, kinda like with Zeno (Xeno whatevs) trying to play Hunter even though he's more suited towards Ranger.

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 06:45 AM

Time for plot twist?
Persona take PD power with Clarissa and let himself destroyed instead of Matoi

... What are you going to do, Persona-kun. :(

http://i.imgur.com/NcdnzaM.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER]Is Xion going to do something?

[SPOILER-BOX]Those are the pictures that appear at the end credits
http://i.imgur.com/PcbDLfJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/nHjExhO.png

[/SPOILER-BOX]

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 06:48 AM

Added a Story Spoilers due to what we discovered.

oratank

Oct 9, 2015, 07:03 AM

poor afin he finally got his new outfit

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 07:24 AM

How much time before we get it in an AC scratch ?

Rupikachu

Oct 9, 2015, 07:29 AM

... What are you going to do, Persona-kun. :(

Considering Persona apparently is us...he's just taking back whats rightfully ours from that matoi thief.

So apprentice gets rid of the cool dark falz clothes? *sadface.gif*

Mattykins

Oct 9, 2015, 07:33 AM

So help me if Sega cops out of killing Matoi I'll be disappoint.

KLMS1

Oct 9, 2015, 07:33 AM

According to story the player character can be any class, most ARKS can only use one class type, kinda like with Zeno (Xeno whatevs) trying to play Hunter even though he's more suited towards Ranger.
All of them can *use* any class they want, but the vast majority are better suited to specific ones and will pretty much be gimping themselves if they try to use ones they have poor affinity for (*cough*Zeno*cough*Hunter!Echo*cough*). The MC is noted to be unusually versatile in that regard.

IronKrone

Oct 9, 2015, 07:40 AM

All of them can *use* any class they want, but the vast majority are better suited to specific ones and will pretty much be gimping themselves if they try to use ones they have poor affinity for (*cough*Zeno*cough*Hunter!Echo*cough*). The MC is noted to be unusually versatile in that regard.

I thought that there are three generations of Arks and their ability to change classes and excel at them depend on which generation they're in.

First generation of Arks like Regius or Maria cannot change classes.
Second generation can change classes but will have difficulties if it's not a class they're best suited for. (Zeno and Echo are prime examples; the majority of NPCs are in this category as well.)
Third generation of Arks are new and can change classes at will without any problem. This includes MC, Afin and Theodore.

Rakurai

Oct 9, 2015, 07:48 AM

Not really surprised by what Persona presumably decides to do, as they hinted that he/she was going to be the focal point of the final chapter with the teaser on official website.

That and I seriously doubted they'd have the guts to off Matoi.

KLMS1

Oct 9, 2015, 07:52 AM

The chronology in general is kinda murky and unspecified, people just vaguely mention that "in the past" the class thing worked somewhat differently. And for all we know Reg and Maria are just sticking to the classes they're most comfortable with and/or that mesh best with their Genesis Weapons. (Also Reg is presumably subbing Braver or something, since IIRC he's the one who taught it to Azanami...)

KazukiQZ

Oct 9, 2015, 08:23 AM

^Regius is a Braver/Hunter. Because his favourite weapon is katana but it's too strong so he nerf it abit by sealing it into sword type xD

oratank

Oct 9, 2015, 08:26 AM

if i remember correct azanami is the one who create braver class

KLMS1

Oct 9, 2015, 08:34 AM

if i remember correct azanami is the one who create braver class
IIRC in one or two of the eventfields where she talks about the class she explains she basically harassed Reg into teaching her the basics. She's presumably the one who adapted that stuff for "general consumption" though.

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 09:41 AM

So help me if Sega cops out of killing Matoi I'll be disappoint.

I don't think they were ever planning to kill her because they are advertising her too much. :wacko:

Rupikachu

Oct 9, 2015, 10:29 AM

^Regius is a Braver/Hunter. Because his favourite weapon is katana but it's too strong so he nerf it abit by sealing it into sword type xD

He's more like Hipster/Braver. Since technically he was using katanas before the braver class was made (Azanami created it or something after pestering Regius or something?)

sooo

[spoiler-box]
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3115520/hipstaregius.png
[/spoiler-box]

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 11:30 AM

As they reuploaded the Hunar files, I guess Hunar will be part of the story party quest. :wacko:

KLMS1

Oct 9, 2015, 11:42 AM

He's more like Hipster/Braver. Since technically he was using katanas before the braver class was made (Azanami created it or something after pestering Regius or something?)

sooo

[spoiler-box]
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3115520/hipstaregius.png
[/spoiler-box]
I lol'd

Give this man an Internet!

Poyonche

Oct 9, 2015, 11:50 AM

Gawd how could I miss a picture like this.
Maybe because I am blind.

Found AbyssMatoi voice files in fight, Nothing interesting here except maybe... her voice ? :wacko:

It doesn't sound like the crying baby Matoi, but more like Claris Claes (or wtv the spelling is) with some Dark Falz into it.

If anyone is interested, just tell me, i'll upload it.

Skornedemon

Oct 9, 2015, 12:06 PM

My current feelings on the Remixes

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/HE0QAls.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

Shear

Oct 9, 2015, 12:36 PM

... is ... is that positive or is that you after murdering the guys responsible o.o

;EDIT: after looking through the Thread more I'm not surprised that Big PD sounds nothing like Matoi and more like Persona, mostly though for a stupid reason because looking at Matois Battleform and the Emergency PD there is a small difference or more like two.

... yes I'm talking about PD's lack of Boobs :-P after all they are very prominent in Matois Battle Form while Personas Clothes make them disappear no matter how stacked the Character is.
Also considering Persona is well ... us and we tried sacrificing us once already it's something s/he would do.

LonelyGaruga

Oct 9, 2015, 01:29 PM

Episode 3 ending (https://www.dropbox.com/s/es0ivlfuljyqf38/Episode%203%20ending.mp3?dl=0)

Here's my go at transcribing the lyrics. YMMV, but I find it very beautiful.

[SPOILER-BOX]Second to last line is blank because I can't figure out what it is. "ei you" is probably not really what's being said, but that's what it sounds like.

Smile into air
It's wonderful, what you've given me
Would like to see the world again, as I've never seen
But how can I rid this sorrow away, that lingers inside of me
And how can I live up to the life you gave, when you saved me from the dark

Bright stars to see
How beautiful, all you've given me
Once more I feel, more than I've ever felt before
But how can this be the way it's to be, even when I'm here to see
And how can this all be how it's meant to be, but I'll carry on
I promise you

Hello, to life, to everything (to everything)
There is so much yet to see, and more to be (and more to be)
I have you in my heart, in every breath I take
Now it's up to me to be who I am

Once more I am, because of you (because of you)
You have given me a way to carry on (to carry on)
Cherry of my life, commence the moment you led me to that someone
The one
The one

Time does move on, no matter how, or no matter who
Still, from the light, a new beginnings had begin with you
I fell asleep that night woke to you, standing in front of me
It was as a new path right out of a dreams, just to rescue me
I dreamed to be

With you, from now, through everything (through everything)
I can see a whole new world, with you beside (with you beside)
I was lost so long, didn't know the right from wrong
Now it's crystal clear who I wish to be

I won't pretend you feel the same (you feel the same)
For as long as I'm with you, I'm satisfied (I'm satisfied)
Nothing I won't do, to save you when you need me to
When you need me to

How can we save all we hold so dear, when it's one or the other
How if only other choices were to make, but we need to
For better times

Hello, to life, to everything (to everything)
There is so much yet to see, and more to be (and more to be)
I have you in my heart, in every breath I take
Now it's up to me to be who I am

Thank you, to all, to everyone (to everyone)
For the time you shared with us, through all the years (through all the years)
Cherry of my life, impossible if not for you, not for you, ei you
(hello, to life, to everything) ei you
(with you, from now, through everything)
(hello, to life, to everything)
(I won't pretend you feel the same)

?
To be a different day
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Z-0

Oct 9, 2015, 01:32 PM

"ei you" could be being said, as 愛 you is pronounced like that which would be "love you".

I haven't actually listened to the song though, so I have no idea!! ・。・

Unnamed Player

Oct 9, 2015, 02:27 PM

[SPOILER-BOX]
Smile into air
It's wonderful, what you've given me
Would like to see the world again, as I've never seen
But how can I rid this sorrow away, that lingers inside of me
And how can I live up to the life you gave, when you saved me from the dark

Bright stars to see
How beautiful, all you've given me
Once more I feel, more than I've ever felt before
But how can this be the way it's to be, even when I'm here to see
And how can this all be how it's meant to be, but I'll carry on
I promise you

Hello, to life, to everything (to everything)
There is so much yet to see, and more to be (and more to be)
I have you in my heart, in every breath I take
Now it's up to me to be who I am

Once more I am, because of you (because of you)
You have given me a way to carry on (to carry on)
Cherry of my life, commence the moment you led me to that someone
The one
The one

Time does move on, no matter how, or no matter who
Still, from the light, a new beginnings had begin with you
I fell asleep that night woke to you, standing in front of me
It was as a new path right out of a dreams, just to rescue me
I dreamed to be

With you, from now, through everything (through everything)
I can see a whole new world, with you beside (with you beside)
I was lost so long, didn't know the right from wrong
Now it's crystal clear who I wish to be

I won't pretend you feel the same (you feel the same)
For as long as I'm with you, I'm satisfied (I'm satisfied)
Nothing I won't do, to save you when you need me to
When you need me to

How can we save all we hold so dear, when it's one or the other
How if only other choices were to make, but we need to
For better times

Hello, to life, to everything (to everything)
There is so much yet to see, and more to be (and more to be)
I have you in my heart, in every breath I take
Now it's up to me to be who I am

Thank you, to all, to everyone (to everyone)
For the time you shared with us, through all the years (through all the years)
Cherry of my life, impossible if not for you, not for you, ei you
(hello, to life, to everything) ei you
(with you, from now, through everything)
(hello, to life, to everything)
(I won't pretend you feel the same)

?
To be a different day
[/SPOILER-BOX]Words can't describe how much i hate these lyrics.

Zorak000

Oct 9, 2015, 07:12 PM

I display more posts per page so I dont even have 9 pages in here lol

KazukiQZ

Oct 9, 2015, 07:16 PM

^Same, mine is 50 posts per page xD

Kondibon

Oct 9, 2015, 07:36 PM

I was wondering when people were going to start pulling out their Matoi hate boners. :wacko:

Mattykins

Oct 9, 2015, 07:40 PM

I don't even hate Matoi. I just kinda miss the old days of PSO1 where the sacrificial lambs were actually, you know, sacrificial. And you actually felt a little bad for them, unlike Gettemhart and Luther :V

Kondibon

Oct 9, 2015, 07:44 PM

Mattykins

Oct 9, 2015, 07:50 PM

Yeah, exactly >:T Sega's afraid to actually kill off likable characters. (Or characters they want to think are likable.)

Nyansan

Oct 9, 2015, 07:53 PM

Yeah, exactly >:T Sega's afraid to actually kill off likable characters.

FTFY. Except for that one nameless guy at the start of the game, how many characters are actually killed off?

Kondibon

Oct 9, 2015, 07:57 PM

Yeah, exactly >:T Sega's afraid to actually kill off likable characters. (Or characters they want to think are likable.)Well Xion died in episode 2.

I've already said that I'll be disappointed if Matoi lives after all of this though.

FTFY. Except for that one nameless guy at the start of the game, how many characters are actually killed off?

Well Xion died in episode 2.

oratank

Oct 9, 2015, 07:59 PM

well you still sacrifice yourself i mean persona:wacko:

Kondibon

Oct 9, 2015, 08:02 PM

well you still sacrifice yourself i mean persona:wacko:We still don't even know Persona's whole story, I don't think that counts.

yoshiblue

Oct 9, 2015, 08:07 PM

FTFY. Except for that one nameless guy at the start of the game, how many characters are actually killed off?

Well there was the city invasion Apprentice had before she got wrecked by Matoi. Blond man sword man comes to mind.

EvilMag

Oct 9, 2015, 08:22 PM

Outside of music, anything else interesting in the prepatch?

Mattykins

Oct 9, 2015, 08:24 PM

Well, if it's true, then not only would Matoi not get what's coming to her, but without weird plot bullshit, we wouldn't get to see Persona's big Falzy form, if it has one.

Kondibon

Oct 9, 2015, 08:30 PM

EDIT: I'm starting to see why Game of thrones is so popular...

They will not kill Matoi. She is a bunch of Japanese ideals rolled into one, down to the lack of personality so there's less negative traits to dislike. Pretty sure they'll be bringing Xion back at some point, too.I never got what it is about Matoi that makes people think she has no personality, other than how she acted in episode 1. You could certainly say her personality is subdued, and maybe a bit boring, but it's not like they just wrote her as a blank slate or something.

EDIT: Maybe my opinion is skewed because I played through Mabi. It has Triona (http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Triona), A character who existed for no reason other than moving the plot forward, and ended up dying in the background (after she was established as a character) just for the sake of giving another character motivation.

yoshiblue

Oct 9, 2015, 08:32 PM

11 named characters die over the course of PSO1. (12 if you count Kranz, who comes back as a clone, but we're obviously supposed to feel uncomfortable and as if he's dead))
Rico, Flowen, Tyrell (revealed in ep3's title screen, of all places), Dr. Osto Hyle, Blant (The Grave's Butler), Shino, Zoke, Donoph, Nadja (a mostly meaningless NPC in From The Depths who you kill while you're both a little whoozy from Falz influence), Calus (left ambiguous as to whether he would be reborn or not), and Sophia. If you reject ep4, Bernie is probably dead (Seek My Master), and Kireek is possibly dead depending on which subplot you went with.

I don't remember PSU, but Mika and Wynarl died, and you can even kill Shizuru off in ep1 of psp2 if you don't kiss Emilia's ass. But that's obviously not canon since he's back in ep2, so discount that.

Never played PS0, don't know who lives or dies.

In PSO2, we have.... Xion and Alma, and we only know one of them so far. Of those who are NAMED. We have a handfull of nameless ARKS who die on-screen and are never brought back. RIP black guy in the prologue. I'll always remember you.

They will not kill Matoi. She is a bunch of Japanese ideals rolled into one, down to the lack of personality so there's less negative traits to dislike. Pretty sure they'll be bringing Xion back at some point, too.

In PSØ, the only people who've died are the 3-4 kids who followed Kai during his trip to the great light to the moon and the hunter who dies in the Snowy Mountains (CAST and Newmen Story I believe). Other than that, you have the retired CASTs found in the ruins and the whole room full of them in the moon's power plant. People may have died in various cities during the invasion, but if there were any deaths they were never mentioned. Got to give props to the mayor though, slicing up bots with just a metal blade. Obligatory glorious nippon steel folded 1000 times!

kiakan

Oct 9, 2015, 09:11 PM

In PSO2, we have.... Xion and Alma, and we only know one of them so far. Of those who are NAMED. We have a handfull of nameless ARKS who die on-screen and are never brought back. RIP black guy in the prologue. I'll always remember you.

There's also Hadred. And I believe Zeno and Ulc actually died before we messed with time.

LonelyGaruga

Oct 9, 2015, 09:14 PM

I never got what it is about Matoi that makes people think she has no personality, other than how she acted in episode 1. You could certainly say her personality is subdued, and maybe a bit boring, but it's not like they just wrote her as a blank slate or something.

Yeah I don't get the Matoi bashing at all either. She's

1) Amnesiac
2) Recovering from a near-death accident
3) Artificially created by Xion

The amnesia leads to a flat characterization because there's nothing there. She has to develop all over again, and is relying on the player as a crutch. The recovery from being nearly fatally stabbed by Persona lends to her being more frail and uncertain than would be normal. Being artificially created to begin with, it's likely she never developed normally like any other character. While her characterization isn't great, it's very reasonable given her circumstances. She acts like a toddler because she has about as much development as one due to her amnesia.

Certainly, I don't see any of the complaints present in Matoi as 2nd generation Claris, besides maybe overreacting over the possibility of harming ARKS members, but being made by Xion probably has something to do with it.

I could just be biased for liking characters that are dependent on the player for support, though.

Kondibon

Oct 9, 2015, 09:15 PM

There's also Hadred. And I believe Zeno and Ulc actually died before we messed with time.The first one hardly counts as a character. The later to don't really count specifically BECAUSE we messed with time.

Maenara

Oct 9, 2015, 09:17 PM

Also this :
http://i.imgur.com/VTa6rr3.png

Looks like they're making it so that you can select Challenge Quests outside of a Challenge Block. Selecting a Challenge Quest will automatically send you to a challenge block.

LonelyGaruga

Oct 9, 2015, 09:19 PM

The first one hardly counts as a character.

Wow Hadred was Quna's best friend, you take that back. He's as much a character as the other dragon characters, he just has that pesky problem of being mute.

Kondibon

Oct 9, 2015, 09:23 PM

Yeah I don't get the Matoi bashing at all either. She's

1) Amnesiac
2) Recovering from a near-death accident
3) Artificially created by Xion

The amnesia leads to a flat characterization because there's nothing there. She has to develop all over again, and is relying on the player as a crutch. The recovery from being nearly fatally stabbed by Persona lends to her being more frail and uncertain than would be normal. Being artificially created to begin with, it's likely she never developed normally like any other character to begin with. While her characterization isn't great, it's very reasonable given her circumstances. She acts like a toddler because she has about as much development as one due to her amnesia.

Certainly, I don't see any of the complaints present in Matoi as 2nd generation Claris, besides maybe overreacting over the possibility of harming ARKS members, but being made by Xion probably has something to do with it.

I could just be biased for liking characters that are dependent on the player for support, though.The thing is, beyond that even you can SEE her personality in the things she does. She's actually got a rebelious streak. You can see in the fact that she kept running away from/avoiding the nurses, insisted on becoming an arks member, going with you on several occasions when everyone else is like "nooo what are you doin' Matoi". She's also loyal to a fault, which actually seems to be played as a sort of "tragic" flaw. There's other stuff too, but that's what always comes to my mind.

Was she actually made by Xion? I thought Xion just erased all the knowledge of her, and ending up in the current time line was just a fluke from Xiao getting you to stick your nose where it shouldn't be.

Wow Hadred was Quna's best friend, you take that back. He's as much a character as the other dragon characters, he just has that pesky problem of being mute.I don't dislike Hadred or anything (I actually kinda like the whole Quna subplot). I just meant from a story perspective we don't actually get to know much about him or what he was like before he went crazy so it's kinda hard to get attatched to him or feel particularly emotional about his death beyond Quna's involvement. He has the same problems as that Triona character I mentioned before. I feel like if we had the chance to meet him and Quna when they were a team then he would have felt more like a whole character. But who knows, we can time travel, maybe we'll get to see that. At least he didn't die off screen though.

yoshiblue

Oct 9, 2015, 09:23 PM

I personally hate the Hadred-Quna sub arc but inb4 we revive Hadred.

Maenara

Oct 9, 2015, 09:32 PM

Actually, on second look, none of the quest types match up fully:

http://i.imgur.com/VTa6rr3.png

>Story Ep1
>Story Ep2
>Story Ep3
>Advanced Quest
>Extreme Quest
>Challenge Quest
>[Something] Challenge Quest
>Ultimate Quest
>[Something] Quest

Says something about Challenge Blocks on the right.

Kondibon

Oct 9, 2015, 09:34 PM

I personally hate the Hadred-Quna sub arc but inb4 we revive Hadred.I just didn't like the whole idol by day assassin by night thing, and Hadred's lack of characterization, the concept was interesting though, and I'm hoping if they come back to it that they do something interesting (Quna and Afins plots have been stalling for a while).

But ew no, I don't want him revived, I meant going back in time and getting a few cutscenes or something like we did with Matoi, Zeno, Afin, etc.

Actually, on second look, none of the quest types match up fully:

http://i.imgur.com/VTa6rr3.png

>Story Ep1
>Story Ep2
>Story Ep3
>Advanced Quest
>Extreme Quest
>Challenge Quest
>[Something] Challenge Quest
>Ultimate Quest
>[Something] Quest

Says something about Challenge Blocks on the right.Well now I'm actually curious. >_> Are we getting a new quest type?

LonelyGaruga

Oct 9, 2015, 09:39 PM

期間限定 is Limited (the bottom one is Limited Quest). I have no idea what Limited Challenge Quest could mean.

Maenara

Oct 9, 2015, 09:40 PM

期間限定 is Limited (the bottom one is Limited Quest). I have no idea what Limited Challenge Quest could mean.

why are there 14 limited quests

yoshiblue

Oct 9, 2015, 09:42 PM

If I remember correctly, there were the challenge sets. So they could be the kinds of quests we saw in the broadcast competitions.

TheszNuts

Oct 9, 2015, 09:52 PM

Who is Alma again?

LonelyGaruga

Oct 9, 2015, 09:56 PM

Was she actually made by Xion? I thought Xion just erased all the knowledge of her, and ending up in the current time line was just a fluke from Xiao getting you to stick your nose where it shouldn't be.

I don't dislike Hadred or anything (I actually kinda like the whole Quna subplot).

Xion confirms that she made Matoi, and that Matoi's purpose is to create a peaceful world by destroying darkers. Matoi is able to see Xion by default because she was created by her. Whether Matoi's ability to absorb darkers was intended to transform her into the Profound Darkness or not is unclear, but it seems most likely that Xion cared deeply for Matoi (Living on Like Stars is almost certainly sung from Xion's perspective of Matoi). The player's role given to them by Xion is to save Matoi. The player also having the ability to absorb darkers implies to me that the player was also created by Xion, but I'm pretty sure there's going to be some other connection that the player and Matoi have that goes beyond the shared ability.

About Hadred, we know even less about Alma (like what she even looked like) so I just thought it was counting character deaths in general. Alma doesn't even get the distinction of a character page on swiki lol

why are there 14 limited quests

Probably 6 Grand Prix + 8 LQs or something like that. Don't even remember how many different LQs we've had thus far. The ARKS Grand Prix quests share the same tab as LQs.

Who is Alma again?

1st generation Claris Claes.

Mattykins

Oct 9, 2015, 09:57 PM

There's also Hadred. And I believe Zeno and Ulc actually died before we messed with time.

And that's another problem. If we can just go back in time and unkill someone, that makes the impact of a character death very... weak.

Kondibon

Oct 9, 2015, 09:57 PM

why are there 14 limited questsMaybe they're finally going to cave and let us do the fun LQs and event EQs whenever we want.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Futurama-Oh-I-Made-myself-sad.gif

Xion confirms that she made Matoi, and that Matoi's purpose is to create a peaceful world by destroying darkers. Matoi is able to see Xion by default because she was created by her. Whether Matoi's ability to absorb darkers was intended to transform her into the Profound Darkness or not is unclear, but it seems most likely that Xion cared deeply for Matoi (Living on Like Stars is almost certainly sung from Xion's perspective of Matoi). The player's role given to them by Xion is to save Matoi. The player also having the ability to absorb darkers implies to me that the player was also created by Xion, but I'm pretty sure there's going to be some other connection that the player and Matoi have that goes beyond the shared ability. Ok, I guess I just missed that part. o wo That makes sense. (and also explains the song to me more)

About Hadred, we know even less about Alma (like what she even looked like) so I just thought it was counting character deaths in general. Alma doesn't even get the distinction of a character page on swiki lolTo be fair, I wouldn't count Alma for the same reasons. I do hope we find out what happened to her though, cause I imagine that's a pretty crazy can of worms.

EDIT: I guess I should add that, if you didn't notice this conversation started from the complaint that sega doesn't kill off likeable characters, or even characters they try to make likable. That's why I don't think characters who didn't really get any characterization, would count.

Selphea

Oct 9, 2015, 11:53 PM

Isn't Gettemhart gone for good?

But as far as Matoi goes, the archetype of amnesiac/0 memory girl completely dependent on oniisama the player is kind of played out. Her arc is stereotypical and all but it's a Japanese pop culture game and the story as a whole isn't meant to be Oscar material anyway. If I were to nitpick, there's bigger plotholes than that.

Mattykins

Oct 9, 2015, 11:59 PM

Isn't Gettemhart gone for good?

I'm sure they'll find a way to bring 'im back. Sega didn't even have to balls to kill off Luther.

Kondibon

Oct 10, 2015, 12:15 AM

But.... but why are there 14 of them at once?? And what broadcast showed challenge sets and what were they...

Not recent content, but would anyone happen to know the location of the other credits sequence's pictures? I'd love to stash those away...

Matoi & other rant:
[spoiler-box]It's not that I hate what she is, (that's a lie, I freaking hate her now because she's a tool for disregarding any and all classic PS lore, but that's a different story), I hate how she's presented. There's nothing wrong with a character like that when they're presented properly. A character that has to rely on others and regrow themselves can be interesting. Matoi is not interesting. She's just thrown at you like that and you're expected to care about her. There's not enough points where she ACTUALLY endears herself. The game is TELLING ME that I care about her when it's done nothing to make me care about her, so I hate her even more than I would otherwise. Even as KK, I hate her. That was supposed to be the point where I was to start caring for her or start seeing why she cared for me, and I saw none of it. I saw a couple words escape my character's mouth which I didn't really want to say, and I saw her cling to me like a toddler in response as if I had spent years with her imparting wisdom and drying her tears.

Basically, she is presented as a TOOL, not a CHARACTER. The blame rightfully belongs to the people who write her (or even the directors who cut all the stuff the writers do write for her because they don't want to shell out the couple yen to pay the programmers to make that much content), but she is the end product and she is not a living person with feelings within reality, so there's no reason not to direct hatred at her.

Of note is that Zeno falls prey to this exact same thing as well. And you know what? I hate him, too. And I hated him even more after the flashback fiasco. Haddred receiving no characterization whatsoever leads to apathy for him because he wasn't asking me to feel anything (and I actually counted him more among nameless characters because of that, on accident), and hatred for Quna who was worked up over something that the game failed to make me sympathize with yet asked me to find heartbreaking. That's what a lot of events boil down to: They take themselves far too seriously for how much development they get. It's expecting me to care for characters they didn't actually develop, and it's forcing me to watch my character commit acts of stupidity or react because they care while I don't, so I end up hating my own damn character. It's telling me how I'm supposed to feel and I DON'T FEEL IT.

Also the fact that we have time travel powers and aren't using it to go back and do the absolute best in every situation (such as killing the problem at its source before it can grow into what it is, maybe saving EVERYONE that would have died that day, etc.) without any kind of explanation for why we aren't / can't do so is pretty irritating. At least, I don't recall being told a reason why we couldn't do that. If there's something that needs to happen, there's still tragedy that can be avoided while letting said necessary event happen. I guess some people just aren't special enough to warrant saving despite it being absolutely no problem to do so.[/spoiler-box]So your issue is that she doesn't have any character development? Because I feel like she gets plenty. Don't get me wrong. I don't think the characters are amazing or anything (what you just said is basically my whole complaint about Hadred).

I guess I just react differently to not caring about the characters than you do.

EDIT: What I mean to say is I read "I hate x character" as "I hate the concept of x character", not "I hate the way x character is presented in the story".

Tenlade

Oct 10, 2015, 12:51 AM

I didn't really like Matoi because in addition to being amnesia anime girl #6830, a lot of her characterization and dialogue for a time was just 10 cutscenes in the lobby back to back.
She is also a lot less involved in your missions then the female companions of the other Phantasy Star games, (Sarisa, Karen, even Emilia as whiny as she was, had a more personal and involved character arc then matoi.)

She comes across as pure "i must protect this waifu" otaku bait more then anything else. Shit, after ep2, I honestly liked echo more then her

Poyonche

Oct 10, 2015, 01:27 AM

I honestly liked echo

Whaa-, I've always thought that the verb "to like" and "Echo" were incompatible.

Hitoshura

Oct 10, 2015, 03:11 AM

Sega didn't even have to balls to kill off Luther.

Sega had to fix their mistake somehow, you can't just kill off the best character in the game like that.

Meteor Weapon

Oct 10, 2015, 03:15 AM

They just shoved her right at the end of episode 2 without any big character development, she was just...there to open the damn gate to Xion in the Mothership. She wasn't shown any importance in the encounter with the Big 3/Three heroes whatever. That travel back to ten years ago didn't help either, just only to know who she was but that's it.

Meteor Weapon

Oct 10, 2015, 03:17 AM

Sega had to fix their mistake somehow, you can't just kill off the best character in the game like that.

I didn't know people get mad at SEGA killing off Loser. I thought it was the perfect end for him, though still a bit relieved his still alive just sitting in Double's eternal damnation. Elder was the one who needs more spotlight tbh.

Cyber Meteor

Oct 10, 2015, 04:26 AM

Poyonche

Oct 10, 2015, 04:34 AM

But.... but why are there 14 of them at once?? And what broadcast showed challenge sets and what were they...

Not recent content, but would anyone happen to know the location of the other credits sequence's pictures? I'd love to stash those away...

There are 14 just because they were too lazy to put some in and some away. :wacko:

The credits sequence are located in 26e0a8a65ccea1af3778993f364e7251

Shear

Oct 10, 2015, 05:22 AM

@Arredoval About that time travel ability of the main char : It's NOT an inherent ability of the main char. Although it's not explicit, you can see in the event of MB2-2, in Sanctum, where you meet Sara, Xiao and Ro Kamitsu, that Xiao is doing something to you and after that he says "now go back to Naberius ruins" or something like that. So basically, this time travel ability is given to you only when Xiao/Xion think it's needed. Oh and that reminds me of something else, in MB 2-6, Xiao says you can only stay a limited time in other timelines, though you usually got enough time to do what you need to do.

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure we did it on our own at least once (I think to save Ulc) and Xiaou considered it a big Deal.
It's been a while though so I could remember the Details wrong.

... not sure why some people here think good Story needs a high Death count though, I know a lot of Story's we're nobody named died and it was fine.
As for PSO2 as people already mentioned Zeno and Ulc died for real and we pretty much retconned it ourselves with Time Travel.
As for Luther I give you that one though so far his appearance was mostly Fan Service and a exposition Dumb.

Rupikachu

Oct 10, 2015, 05:48 AM

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure we did it on our own at least once (I think to save Ulc) and Xiaou considered it a big Deal.
It's been a while though so I could remember the Details wrong.

Technically he says:

I've been waiting for you, <%me>
For the time when you would try to change history of your own accord.

But then again going there was in the matterboard and afaik you use the that to travel in time:

a.- You 'hacked' the matterboard to go there.
b.- Xion put that into the matterboard but Xiao has no idea about it and thinks it was your decision

Edit
[spoiler-box]
Someone posted on pso2-uploader a screenshot of a datamined Matoi final form!

http://www.pso2-uploader.info/uploda/src/up169436.jpg

We're so screwed!
[/spoiler-box]

Selphea

Oct 10, 2015, 05:53 AM

I think it's not so much people dying but people not dying in a way that flies in the face of logic:

http://i.imgur.com/6r5CGCK.jpg

PrinceBrightstar

Oct 10, 2015, 08:40 AM

I guess PSOWorld has eased up on rule 11 then. I had the audio for PD hastily stitched together for myself but didn't put it up because of that. I'll keep that in mind going forward when other patches come out.

Poyonche

Oct 10, 2015, 08:51 AM

[spoiler-box]
Someone posted on pso2-uploader a screenshot of a datamined Matoi final form!

http://www.pso2-uploader.info/uploda/src/up169436.jpg

We're so screwed!
[/spoiler-box]

[Profound Nyauness]

Zanverse

Oct 10, 2015, 11:48 AM

Could it be this?

Ver1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zi00fblvl92eyv/ARH_H_O_01_T164_B5.mp3?dl=0)
Ver2 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/o6tz25rid7kh340/ARH_N_O_02_T152_B4.mp3?dl=0)
please excuse more low audio reconstruction skill level

It's in 4e6d39398095c46f6c90cf44d4f24883
and the BGM sounds a bit like anga theme.

Okay, this track sounds freaking' awesome, especially the Version 2 one. Sounds to me that we're going to recieve an Anga Act II boss for maybe the new story, or even Ultimate Amduscia. Or maybe it's Persona's combat form? So far we have:

DF Double Castle
Ooze Remix
Strange Fruits Remix
Anga Act II/Persona(?) Theme

Judging from the Strange Fruits remix, it seems that there's a connection between Ooze > Strange Fruits > ARKS Theme

Hmmmm.....

arkeido

Oct 10, 2015, 11:57 AM

Okay, this track sounds freaking' awesome, especially the Version 2 one. Sounds to me that we're going to recieve an Anga Act II boss for maybe the new story, or even Ultimate Amduscia. Or maybe it's Persona's combat form? So far we have:

DF Double Castle
Ooze Remix
Strange Fruits Remix
Anga Act II/Persona(?) Theme

Judging from the Strange Fruits remix, it seems that there's a connection between Ooze > Strange Fruits > ARKS Theme

Hmmmm.....
Probably phase 1 (white[?]) : Ooze > flow into phase 2 (black[?]) : Strange Fruits > finale
I tried to combine those 3... (https://www.dropbox.com/s/bguovgk99lx0n3l/SIN_bgm_complete.mp3?dl=0)
excuse the weird flow to whole new world intro,can't seems to find 'correct' place to insert it

Poyonche

Oct 10, 2015, 12:13 PM

I was thinking :
Ooze for PD white and black -> IDOLA for final form -> Conclusion under the same circumstances as other big bosses

Zanverse

Oct 10, 2015, 12:32 PM

Probably phase 1 (white[?]) : Ooze > flow into phase 2 (black[?]) : Strange Fruits > finale
I tried to combine those 3... (https://www.dropbox.com/s/bguovgk99lx0n3l/SIN_bgm_complete.mp3?dl=0)
excuse the weird flow to whole new world intro,can't seems to find 'correct' place to insert it

This seems about right. I'm starting to think that the other tracks belong to PD Matoi, since the relation between the theme and Anga's are is very noticeable.

LonelyGaruga

Oct 10, 2015, 04:21 PM

As for Luther I give you that one though so far his appearance was mostly Fan Service and a exposition Dumb.

Luther's survival (no real need to spoiler, it was almost two story chapters ago!) makes sense given the logic that Double's Innerverse works on. Double breaks down anything that enters it into negative photons with which it creates clones. Luther is a photoner, thus immune to this process. You can consider him indigestible. The player and Matoi are similarly indigestible, while everyone that Double has consumed prior is dead (this means the Kuronian race suffered genocide).

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/6r5CGCK.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

"...that's the way it's supposed to be." Shiro himself gets better from dying multiple times so lol

Zanverse

Oct 10, 2015, 07:59 PM

Holy shit. That took longer than expected... I managed to tackle down and arrange the regular DF Double Castle theme. The second theme that was posted doesn't seem too off, so I won't bother redoing them. I even made up a name for the theme, lel.

Here's the link to the unlisted video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZvFO6KDPWE&feature=youtu.be (3:40 to 4:05 is my favorite part :wacko:)

And here's a download link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/alnemiklqd4cl0q/AABATIq8BpMJZAGU4-X1LJnCa?dl=0

In that zip folder, you'll see that there's the Audacity file for it. The really short silent breaks between each segment are quite noticeable, but there's just so many of them that I didn't even bother trying to clean them up. But if you're someone that might find the breaks annoying, I provided you with the Audacity file so that you can fix them. I already spent about 3 hours just trying to place them together. @_@

Audacity file is not working, gonna get that fixed in a bit.

Enjoy~

Tenlade

Oct 10, 2015, 08:55 PM

Whaa-, I've always thought that the verb "to like" and "Echo" were incompatible.

I thought her stupid fighting with a tiny shell headed dude 1/3rd her size was funny.
She also gained points for slapping Zeno's smug face in ep2.

Maenara

Oct 10, 2015, 10:46 PM

"...that's the way it's supposed to be." Shiro himself gets better from dying multiple times so lol

http://36.media.tumblr.com/bad70ebc32b9e5f884c6565ddf2664dd/tumblr_ntxlru8Wyi1uxa5ato1_1280.png

Zorak000

Oct 12, 2015, 10:46 PM

Shadowth117

Oct 12, 2015, 11:12 PM

Well I think I remember that they said in an interview somewhere that they wanted to use the Challenge Mode mechanics for future ARKS GP competitions. Challenge Sets might be some prefab loadouts for not needing the whole thing to be Procure On Site like normal cmode. Though I don't know how that would work out; given their solution to making sure there are no C-mode "oppsies" that wipe your inventory to be making you use a copy of your character on Challenge blocks...

Why? Its their game. There's nothing stopping them from making a quest that starts them with different gear based on a selection. They have total control over what people do.

If they really wanted, there's little stopping them from going all out and making entire interface and menu options specifically for that quest alone. Hell, they could make the quest be in the lobby if they wanted. There's really no rules.

TaigaUC

Oct 13, 2015, 12:21 AM

Isn't Gettemhart gone for good?

Noooooooo! :(

Meteor Weapon

Oct 13, 2015, 12:26 AM

Iiirc Gettemhart was datamined back then being an NPC Partner? Not sure if i misread it.

Renvalt

Oct 13, 2015, 07:32 AM

Iiirc Gettemhart was datamined back then being an NPC Partner? Not sure if i misread it.

The way he was present in the lobby for almost all of EP1 (in the same manner as Mel) was too suspicious for someone who didn't have a future as an NPC Partner or Quest Giver in some form.

Granted, one COULD also say this about Reda, but not only is that sordid motherfucker still fucking alive, he's also A)been absent from much of any event plates we've seen thus far, B)not been given ANY manner of purpose, and C)seems to actually be QUITE unpopular.

Meanwhile, we've learned that Gettemhalt wasn't ALWAYS a complete asshole, and (while assuming the identity of Elder) actually shown that he cares for the goth loli that followed him. He last disappeeared in the vicinity of the Quarry, and Ult Tunnels hasn't gotten the SQ treatment, so there's a chance he might be there (especially since Double went lookin' for Elder after that incident, couldn't find him, and then pretty much just said "Fuck it, we've got bigger fish to fry") if anything else.

I mean, there's a HUGE chance that Matoi gets spared - so it'd be criminal not to save Gettem at the very least (not to mention we're kinda short on Knuckle-bearers in the Partner Card repertoire).

Meteor Weapon

Oct 13, 2015, 09:02 AM

I thought Double ate Elder....though Luther did mention about Elder's Hunar form being weak in Double's Innerverse. Probably they only eat half of Elder's essence. I could be wrong.

LonelyGaruga

Oct 13, 2015, 12:03 PM

PokeminMaster

Oct 13, 2015, 12:12 PM

Poyonche

Oct 13, 2015, 12:45 PM

Renvalt

Oct 13, 2015, 02:38 PM

But tomorrow, will we be fighting Doppelgangers or the true Falzes (Because you know, Profound Darkness -> re-do falzes etc...)?

Because I don't know why Casra would bother talking with a [Loser] only good a at saying "Fufufufuu" "Kill kill kill". :wacko:

That reminds me... if we bonked Double upside the head and sent 'em to Dreamland hell, what becomes of their stomach world - and by association, the contents/inhabitants of said stomach?

I mean, because last I checked, Luther was still in there. Alive, too. So what happens to him once Double gets conked upside the head?

PokeminMaster

Oct 13, 2015, 02:55 PM

That reminds me... if we bonked Double upside the head and sent 'em to Dreamland hell, what becomes of their stomach world - and by association, the contents/inhabitants of said stomach?

I mean, because last I checked, Luther was still in there. Alive, too. So what happens to him once Double gets conked upside the head?
Well, I can't say the same for Luther, but I'm pretty sure that by association, everything [Double] had eaten was part of the "energy" Matoi now holds

Renvalt

Oct 13, 2015, 03:29 PM

Well, I can't say the same for Luther, but I'm pretty sure that by association, everything [Double] had eaten was part of the "energy" Matoi now holds

I can't imagine Matoi's gonna be too happy when he gets outta there.

Oh wait, she ate the kids too. Yeah, Falz Cloneworks confirmed.

Double did successfully consume Elder. The reason that the Elder clone was incomplete was that the player already beat them to absorbing some of Elder's power. Double doesn't know about this until the player and Matoi defeats them.

Elder is rip, and Gettemhart is probably rip with him.

Just realized, though: this should also apply to Loser and Oldprentice as well, yeah? Loser was not only at half strength, but had just been eviscerated by Regius prior to being eaten. That SHOULD, by way of logic, make the Loser clone weaker (although it raises the question of how the fuck Luther survived that cut from Yonohate in the first place - that was a pretty clean cut if you ask me).

Similarly, Oldprentice should be the weakest of the three that were eaten, since not only had she stuffed a decent portion of her power (or what was left of it) into Afin's sis, she was also eaten midway through the process.

And then that made me think: what if DF Apprentice (the upcoming one, that is) is mindless because PD's defeat robs it of a beacon of purpose? Prior to PD's revival, the Shamprentice (Eucreta) was obviously wandering around looking for the portion of power that was sealed, but because she's a fake, she couldn't sense it. The purpose of that "power retrieval" was to enable the Profound Darkness to return, but with PD sleeping with the fishes (I'd imagine Double didn't realize that eating husks half-full might somehow manage to weaken the end product, more so in the case of Oldprentice), it can't exactly achieve that anymore? So now it simply aims for the Mining Bases to just instinctively do the one task it can still fulfill (the task of every Darker, for that manner): devour, consume, and assimilate into the fold everything in its path.

It would explain much, assuming of course that the Apprentice we fight in TD4 is mute and roaring like its underlings.

TaigaUC

Oct 13, 2015, 08:25 PM

PokeminMaster

Oct 13, 2015, 08:26 PM

Wasn't Gettemhart one of the top male characters in the last popularity poll?
And maybe even the one before that? I don't remember.

If so, then we can pretty much expect him to come back at some point.
Even if it seems impossible now, all they have to do is make up a believable explanation.
PHOTONS, deh deh deeeeeeeh

Even without seeing the poll results, I'm pretty sure it's a safe assumption that he was near the top, so you may be right

Similarly, Oldprentice should be the weakest of the three that were eaten, since not only had she stuffed a decent portion of her power (or what was left of it) into Afin's sis, she was also eaten midway through the process.
I don't think Oldprentice is that weak, she was hardly able to transfer any power into Eucrita; in fact, doesn't she simply give up being a Dark Falz because she hardly has any of the power?

Maenara

Oct 13, 2015, 09:00 PM

Downloading patch now, will post any interesting datamines to a new thread as I always do.

Rakurai

Oct 13, 2015, 09:30 PM

Wonder if Double's Dark Falz form is going to have a proper introduction or not.

Having them to fight them at their weird Darker chessboard with no build-up to it whatsoever would be a little awkward.

Spiral

Oct 13, 2015, 09:31 PM

Personally imagine none of the falz's are truly "dead" or will die, after 3-5. (Thought Luther was dead before 3-5...) Extremely unlikely anyway?
Feel double's stomach is more of a pocket space that double has some control over than an actual stomach that digests, as seen by Luther who was extremely weak then horizontally bisected at the end of 2-5 and is seen completely fine having had too much time to recover and a really good book to read.

Also in case of PF being DF's together may have only absorbed part of power, or just needed them to throw in power together although involuntarily. Alternatively could just take away DF sides, then would have Gettenhart back if he leaves pocket dimension with or without main character's help.

Kind of imagine that if double does go into a true ko state, control over space would be weakened and other falz's would be free to walk out of pocket space ala main character and Matoi did without the help of great magic stick.

If all really were digested and became energy/PF, would need to keep around double for continued EQ's or bring up something new to source EQ's. Also, would make it harder to reuse double-dimension for extra EQ area ala mothership due to emptying out bowels.

Maybe!

Also, random thanks on data-mining for fun.

Maenara

Oct 13, 2015, 10:05 PM

Have a post typed out and everything, just waiting on the tweaker to download a specific file so I can cross-check data.

Kondibon

Oct 13, 2015, 10:35 PM

Wonder if Double's Dark Falz form is going to have a proper introduction or not.
I'll be surprised if it doesn't. They actually do a good job of not spoiling the big story reveals in the trailers.

Kayarine

Oct 13, 2015, 11:41 PM

Double did successfully consume Elder. The reason that the Elder clone was incomplete was that the player already beat them to absorbing some of Elder's power. Double doesn't know about this until the player and Matoi defeats them.

Elder is rip, and Gettemhart is probably rip with him.
Just realized, though: this should also apply to Loser and Oldprentice as well, yeah? Loser was not only at half strength, but had just been eviscerated by Regius prior to being eaten. That SHOULD, by way of logic, make the Loser clone weaker (although it raises the question of how the fuck Luther survived that cut from Yonohate in the first place - that was a pretty clean cut if you ask me).

Similarly, Oldprentice should be the weakest of the three that were eaten, since not only had she stuffed a decent portion of her power (or what was left of it) into Afin's sis, she was also eaten midway through the process.

It actually applies to Loser too. Luther comments on his clones being low quality despite being super accurate appearance-wise. Loser clones pretty much just say the same things the real Loser said prior to transforming into DF Loser, just like the Elder clone only copies Hunar speech. They also fight exactly like regular Luther before the whole DF thing.

My guess is that Double just filled the blanks in with what they've seen of both. It doesn't apply to their combat forms (Hunar, Angel) because they've seen them in action and so can copy everything behavior-wise.

As for Apprentice, I think it's because she barely managed to transfer anything into Yucrita before getting nommed. After all, all Yucrita can do as Apprentice is teleport.