New story chapter

[Maenara]

Will upload pictures later.

Ultimate Ruins is a thing, I think.

Profound Matoi is pretty awesome.

I forgot to turn my music on, so I missed the music. ;_;

[Poyonche]

Edit : NVM, you have to redo the story quest a 2nd time.

[arkeido]

[SPOILER]Did I do Something wrong ? I chose the option "Matoi" when I saw her, and after the fight I turned into Persona lol.[/SPOILER-BOX]

http://i.imgur.com/4y2s4PQ.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

"It's only one of the outcome"

[SPOILER]Replay it again and a new choice will appear

[Azure Falcon]

I'm really hopeful that once the dust settles down someone will be able to write up a summary of the quest, since the story patch seems to be pretty much dead at this point.

[Rakurai]

So...

You basically end up creating a time loop in the first version of the quest?

I also find it morbidly amusing that the game denies you a S rank the first time around because Matoi didn't survive.

[Raujinn]

How do I start this quest? I see no matter board and talking to Xiao has left me with nowhere to go. vOv

[Maenara]

Matterboard has a unique 12* dual blade on it.

[arkeido]

How do I start this quest? I see no matter board and talking to Xiao has left me with nowhere to go. vOv

Walk to campship.

[Raujinn]

Walk to campship.

Thanks.

[Zorua]

Wait, so where do I get the matterboard? I talked to Xiao after I became Persona, but still nothing.

[Rakurai]

It just appears without any notice.

[Maenara]

So I was doing the new Matterboard when...
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/UwMf3Zz.png[/spoiler-box]

THEY KNOW

[Zorua]

It just appears without any notice.

It does?! I still don't have it. I really wish I could get some kind of notice so I could continue saving the universe.

I guess the universe will have to wait... Time to play visiphone hero instead.

[Rakurai]

Did you redo the story quest?

It appears after that once you choose the alternate option.

[arkeido]

Wait, so where do I get the matterboard? I talked to Xiao after I became Persona, but still nothing.

Replay, choose the new choices and you'll get the Matterboard


So I was doing the new Matterboard when...
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/UwMf3Zz.png[/spoiler-box]

THEY KNOW

That was... (un)lucky to meet them, at least it didn't have as much HP as angel :-P

[Zorua]

Did you redo the story quest?

It appears after that once you choose the alternate option.


Replay, choose the new choices and you'll get the Matterboard

Oh damn. I knew playing PSO2 at 5am was a stupid idea. It didn't even occur to me to try the alternate option.

[Meteor Weapon]

Ultimate Ruins in need though.

[arkeido]

Things sure get quite interesting this chapter
Obviously big spoilers pic below
[SPOILER-BOX]

http://i.imgur.com/TiFvzLW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WyxjsUm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CUlFCwL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tKxtT4h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/w64izTF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6QXknbY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hUVPBSG.jpg
dat new Matoi costume tho.

[/SPOILER-BOX]

And no Double battle backstory established,not even that fancy CG movie they keep showing :-?

[PokeminMaster]

I'm quite perplexed... I wonder when that CG movie will come in

[Maenara]

I'm quite perplexed... I wonder when that CG movie will come in

At the beginning of its EQ, but plays only when you move from the lobby to the campship. Just like Magatsu.

[Renvalt]

Obviously big spoilers pic below
[SPOILER-BOX]
http://i.imgur.com/hUVPBSG.jpg
dat new Matoi costume tho, more revealing than before.

[/SPOILER-BOX]


If you ask me, she clearly looks the hottest in this getup than she did all outfits prior.

Also, her Battle Form is called "Viel Hunar"... weird, wasn't "Hunar" taken by Elder? And what's with the whole "Viel" thing? Are you a sheep, Matoi?

Curious if Persona will keep the name or use another.

[PokeminMaster]

At the beginning of its EQ, but plays only when you move from the lobby to the campship. Just like Magatsu.
Ah yeah, I forgot Magatsu did that

[landman]

Still... Profound Darkness combat may take place after the story quest, and an intro movie may be enough, but what about Falz Double and Falz Apprentice? If Episode 4 will start next year, I feel like we are, again, being spoiled about future events.

[PokeminMaster]

We have no idea what Episode 4 will be as of yet

Why exactly Double is fighting us first isn't clear (I think it's some sort of diversion/distraction), and how Apprentice fits into this is also unclear

[arkeido]

We have no idea what Episode 4 will be as of yet

Why exactly Double is fighting us first isn't clear (I think it's some sort of diversion/distraction), and how Apprentice fits into this is also unclear

Probably simple reason like "PD power goes out of control and they magically summoned to protect him".

[SPOILER-BOX]I still hope they ninja'd extra chapter to explain those, and why Persona decided to become that raid form when he just fly away after taking the power.[/SPOILER-BOX]

[landman]

At least this quest solved one mystery: Ulti nab is just current nab with a few days of corruption.

[Nyansan]

Obviously big spoilers pic below
[SPOILER-BOX]
http://i.imgur.com/hUVPBSG.jpg
dat new Matoi costume tho, more revealing than before.
[/SPOILER-BOX]


Is it wrong that I actually 'like' her new outfit? For once she actually dresses her age IMO and is not wearing some cute-sy loli looking underboob shit

[arkeido]

Is it wrong that I actually 'like' her new outfit? For once she actually dresses her age IMO and is not wearing some cute-sy loli looking underboob shit

Look 10x better than EP3 outfit and better hair IMO

[Renvalt]

Is it wrong that I actually 'like' her new outfit? For once she actually dresses her age IMO and is not wearing some cute-sy loli looking underboob shit

No, you're not. Because I like it too.


Also, I've got a feeling that both Double and Apprentice might end up being added out of sequence, and that the road leading up to Episode 4 somehow fixes issues with the story prior, in some form.

I mean, because at this point we may as well just say that PD is DF Persona's True Form; after this chapter, they also got their Hunar form after what seemed like an eternity (only took, what, 3 years?).

[Kondibon]

Is it wrong that I actually 'like' her new outfit? For once she actually dresses her age IMO and is not wearing some cute-sy loli looking underboob shitIt's my favorite so far.

[KazukiQZ]

^I prefer her Claris Claes outfit. Guess this outfit is no. 2 rank for me. xD

(While her 1st outfit, Mikoto CLuster is 3rd. Meanhwile the EP3 one is on the bottom of the list.)

Also, this chapter give potential 2 new hairstyles from Matoi! :P

[Flaoc]

hoping that new outfit shows up in an upcoming scratch

[Meteor Weapon]

So that ending song some people hate so much, was extremely misunderstood lol.

[Nyansan]

hoping that new outfit shows up in an upcoming scratch

On the topic of outfits, Sega probably hates Afin lmao

We've already discussed Matoi

Eucrita's is ok-ish
Spoilers obv
http://puu.sh/kJWGV/b2cdcc4a39.png
Would like her hair tho.
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Then, lastly [SPOILER]Afin's, which is... IDK
[SPOILER-BOX]http://puu.sh/kJWL3/7f54f62fe8.png
WTF mang, dem stockings + a cape that makes no sense lmao
[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Renvalt]

So that ending song some people hate so much, was extremely misunderstood lol.

Misunderstood? How?

Mind telling us what the song actually means?

Also, I know at least one person who's going to be channeling some inner Darth Vader any moment now. I'll give you a hint: they've got blue hair, red eyes, are all about grimdark well-written stories, and have the biggest hatred for Matoi in all PSO-W; such is their hatred that they feel either Matoi should be executed in grisly fashion, or everyone dies because such a waifu ham doesn't deserve to be saved. No matter what.


-snip-

I think it actually fits them both perfectly. They're going for a Dragonfly motif with the two of them. Afin's "cape" is supposed to be dragonfly wings. Also, his new threads beat what he was wearing by miles, even if he DOES have the stocking bit going on there.

In Eucrita's case, she's probably a moth or something - the accents on her hair would compliment such a motif in her case (especially since her wings are thicker and full-form, and moths are known to be portrayed with weird colorization in fictional work).

Considering they both just got done having a proverbial bug-spray fight, I'd say it fits them. Especially Afin - he most definitely gained a level in badass (poor kid needs it - especially since his sister hasn't exactly changed her personality much; she's just as much a bitch as Afin said she used to be, but he doesn't seem to mind).

[Nyansan]

Guess I was kinda let down by how little his outfit changed, considering everyone who did the trope actually looked a whole lot better. But I guess you're right; it's been 3 episodes, better something than nothing I guess

[Mattykins]

Anyone have any of the dialogue translated? O:

rip purplesword easyman. The game will never be the same :c

[Renvalt]

Guess I was kinda let down by how little his outfit changed, considering everyone who did the trope actually looked a whole lot better. But I guess you're right; it's been 3 episodes, better something than nothing I guess

Hey, man, Matoi's is the one you should really be complaining about with regards to the lack of change.

Her's is basically an Ursula Repca version of her 2nd gen outfit. Only it actually looks nicer, because for once she dresses like a teenager and not some waifu ham.

If anything, Afin kept some core elements of the design, but just made them all smoother (his motif is Spark Dragonfly, his sister's is Flame Mothra).

I found it weird that we don't get to use Eucrita after that though - only an updated Afin with his own personal weapon. Is it possible she'll turn up in EP4 as a Summoner?


rip purplesword easyman. The game will never be the same :c
Got a bit of a newsflash for ya:

He's not dead. He basically ripped off Matoi's [S]Sheep Vielle Forme, so he's pretty much gotten what he's needed since EP1&2 - a proper Hunar Forme. Question is, does he keep the name, or get a new one?

Also, this means that the PD coming later is in fact Dark Falz Persona - meaning that when Apprentice shows up in TD4, we'll pretty much have every Falz covered (Double just needs a Doppelganger form, and we'll be set). We can pretty much proceed with a clean slate into EP4, no Falz fuckery included in our stories.[/SPOILER-BOX]

[arkeido]

Coat Doublis as Matterboard completion reward, neat.
[SPOILER-BOX]All-Class DS
http://i.imgur.com/WWjTRsA.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Renvalt]

Coat Doublis as Matterboard completion reward, neat.
[SPOILER-BOX]All-Class DS
http://i.imgur.com/WWjTRsA.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

Say what?! You mean, 3-7's completion, or every matterboard 100% completion? Because that's like... I mean... just.... gah.

Also....

http://i.imgur.com/0fYeVKH.png
Is it wrong that I imagined him speaking in Shadow the Hedgehog's voice in that cutscene?[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]Also, have me trying to stop a Dark Spirit Bomb from killing Matoi [SPOILER]and failing miserably - if my Darkside hadn't stepped in, I'dve been....
http://i.imgur.com/nTtUMrC.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[arkeido]

Say what?! You mean, 3-7's completion, or every matterboard 100% completion? Because that's like... I mean... just.... gah.

100% MB 3-7 completion only.

[Renvalt]

100% MB 3-7 completion only.

Ah, okay. Is there anything for finishing all the MBs up to now at 100%?

[Kondibon]

Speaking of the matter board, I was looking at that DB and...

http://i.imgur.com/NOSZC0Z.png

http://i.imgur.com/dPUEqBY.png

http://i.imgur.com/K3i7p3d.png

http://i.imgur.com/Q3WN47M.png

http://i.imgur.com/dI4vQ2v.gif

[arkeido]

Ah, okay. Is there anything for finishing all the MBs up to now at 100%?

No, but I think these 3 are new...
"Clear 1-10/2-6/3-7 with S rank"
3 Photon Booster for each title.
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/6cIKtvm.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]


Speaking of the matter board, I was looking at that DB and...



dat "Boost shooting damage[?]" pot tho.

[Unnamed Player]

Speaking of the matter board, I was looking at that DB and...

http://i.imgur.com/NOSZC0Z.png

http://i.imgur.com/dPUEqBY.png

http://i.imgur.com/K3i7p3d.png

http://i.imgur.com/Q3WN47M.png

http://i.imgur.com/dI4vQ2v.gifhttp://www.liveazenlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Yes_Baby.jpg

[final_attack]

dat "Boost shooting damage[?]" pot tho.

I think it boost S-Damage at close range (Google translate's help) o-o The kanji in description is 打撃 (S-Damage I believe. If R-Damage it should be 射撃).

[Raujinn]

It's striking damage, yes.

[LonelyGaruga]

Coat Doublis has Negative Hunter and Photon Blast boosting potentials by default, and DA abberation hunter as a Photon Booster potential, with 840 ATK in each ATK stats and innate...Zanverse (what?). Can be equipped by all classes.

[Poyonche]

Innate Zanverse ?

Here I come 100% MB.

It is Negative Hunter or PB boosting uh ? Guess it will be Negative Hunter because "Ketos Proi". :wacko:

[ZerotakerZX]

Does somebody have ending theme? Sorry if it was asked before.

[Azure Falcon]

Coat Doublis has Negative Hunter and Photon Blast boosting potentials by default, and DA abberation hunter as a Photon Booster potential, with 840 ATK in each ATK stats and innate...Zanverse (what?). Can be equipped by all classes.

Zanverse? Hah, get wrecked Apprentice Grudge prices. If only Intense Battle Skill was the potential, it'd have been perfect.

[Shear]

... you know what freaked me out the most this Chapter?
When Lisa opened her mouth and talked in a COMPLETELY SANE MANNER D:

[Cyber Meteor]

... you know what freaked me out the most this Chapter?
When Lisa opened her mouth and talked in a COMPLETELY SANE MANNER D:

I also freaked out at that event but when she went back insane actually lol. Do we really need to put spoilers in a thread called "new story chapter"?

[Zorak000]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/K7bSKO7.png[/SPOILER-BOX]
im goku

[gamesbloke]

So this new story business:
I am on Ep1 MB4. So am I likely to miss this? Or when I around 56 will I get to play this? :-)

[Rupikachu]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/K7bSKO7.png[/SPOILER-BOX]
im goku

Then matoi is raditz, considering the persona grabbing + you killing her scene

[Anduril]

So this new story business:
I am on Ep1 MB4. So am I likely to miss this? Or when I around 56 will I get to play this? :-)
This story chapter is for Episode 3, so if you continue on it in order, you will be at a fairly high level by the time you get to Episode 2's finale. Episode 3 can be skipped to immediately if you so please, though.

[Renvalt]

This story chapter is for Episode 3, so if you continue on it in order, you will be at a fairly high level by the time you get to Episode 2's finale. Episode 3 can be skipped to immediately if you so please, though.

The EP3 Matter Boards are also shorter than most of EP1&2's boards are; not just because there are fewer nodes, but because they pretty much scrapped the idea of minimum levels for the enemies that drop whatever it is you're after on those boards.

To be frank, this is something that needs to be done to EP1&2's boards, and pronto. It doesn't make sense to have things this way in EP3's current state.

[arkeido]

I think it boost S-Damage at close range (Google translate's help) o-o The kanji in description is 打撃 (S-Damage I believe. If R-Damage it should be 射撃).


It's striking damage, yes.


Guess it's just another case of mistranslation then. Thanks for clarifying.
http://i.imgur.com/Db3WKSg.jpg
Otherwise SEGA is out of their minds to put shooting dmg boost on DB.


Does somebody have ending theme? Sorry if it was asked before.

From preset on other thread
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/es0ivlfuljyqf38/Episode%203%20ending.mp3?dl=0)

[EspeonageTieler]

is it weird that im so relieved lmao

[Meteor Weapon]

inb4 spamming photon blades count as shooting

[LonelyGaruga]

Photon blades are striking attacks, or they wouldn't qualify for Limit Break. The description of that potential is incorrect, the damage type is supposed to be striking.

[Vatallus]

So how about that giant boss not being Matoi being released at end of the month.

[Renvalt]

So how about that giant boss not being Matoi being released at end of the month.

Well, the good news is that Persona gets his Falz form in a way that actually makes sense.

Bad news is that Arredoval's gonna be PIIIIISSSED that they didn't get to kill Matoi.

[Zorua]

I'm honestly kind of disappointed that they couldn't let Matoi stay dead. I understand that the player character is very fond of her, but it feels like such a cop out to not stab her in the chest. The ending to episode 3 could have been so emotional if she had stayed dead.

[WEED420BLAZEIT]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/K7bSKO7.png[/SPOILER-BOX]
im goku

that's anga right?

why is it attacking matoi? isn't anga supposed to be some kind of mini version of PD?

[Meteor Weapon]

I'm just gonna think and imagine that our characters build their relationship with Matoi off screen without us knowing when we logged off....derp.

[Meteor Weapon]

that's anga right?

why is it attacking matoi? isn't anga supposed to be some kind of mini version of PD?
More like Matoi trying to kill herself by ordering Anga to kill her, since our character refuse to do so.

[Kondibon]

I'm honestly kind of disappointed that they couldn't let Matoi stay dead. I understand that the player character is very fond of her, but it feels like such a cop out to not stab her in the chest. The ending to episode 3 could have been so emotional if she had stayed dead.I'm getting the impression based on the first run that Killing her would actually be bad. So I'm not entirely disappointed.


that's anga right?

why is it attacking matoi? isn't anga supposed to be some kind of mini version of PD?The impression I got from that cutscene was that she was lucid for long enough to attempt suicide by having Anga attack her before she turned again.

[Maenara]

So how about that giant boss not being Matoi being released at end of the month.

We already knew about that.

[Vatallus]

Yes, just after all the claims that it was. Gotta love people on here.

[WEED420BLAZEIT]

We already knew about that.

uhh i don't, well, a week ago i thought that was matoi

[Maenara]

Yes, just after all the claims that it was. Gotta love people on here.

Datamining never lies.

[LonelyGaruga]

Yes, just after all the claims that it was. Gotta love people on here.

Well, up until the voice files were datamined, all of the evidence completely supported it.

Well, mostly completely. In retrospect, it would have been better to keep in mind that a player character version of abysshuman was found after Matoi's version, which was a dead giveaway how the story was gonna turn out. Personally speaking, I was thinking that it would be relevant after dpabyss was fought, but there wasn't really a reason for that to be necessary.

[Renvalt]

Well, up until the voice files were datamined, all of the evidence completely supported it.

Well, mostly completely. In retrospect, it would have been better to keep in mind that a player character version of abysshuman was found after Matoi's version, which was a dead giveaway how the story was gonna turn out. Personally speaking, I was thinking that it would be relevant after dpabyss was fought, but there wasn't really a reason for that to be necessary.

That makes me wonder: is Viel Hunar going to be gender-neutral/trans from here on out?

Because here *I* am wondering how they'll handle it spawning out in the fields as some E-Code Boss fight.

Is it going to use the gender code of the party leader to determine whether it spawns with a male or female voice? Or will it just simply have whatever voice at random (or some other complex code that I imagine would strain the servers when doing gender checks to determine its voice).

I mean, such a thing wasn't difficult when Persona was just a silent Reaper. Now, though, they're taking on a form that pretty much speaks.

.... Although, they COULD technically just have Viel Hunar be silent like their humanoid form. But given what I've just heard, that doesn't seem likely.

[LonelyGaruga]

DS Persona talks, using whichever voice matches your character's gender. Viel Hunar will probably have male/female versions of its voice clips in the same fashion. Profound Darkness is also going to be like this according to datamining.

[arkeido]

That makes me wonder: is Viel Hunar going to be gender-neutral/trans from here on out?

Because here *I* am wondering how they'll handle it spawning out in the fields as some E-Code Boss fight.

Is it going to use the gender code of the party leader to determine whether it spawns with a male or female voice? Or will it just simply have whatever voice at random (or some other complex code that I imagine would strain the servers when doing gender checks to determine its voice).

I mean, such a thing wasn't difficult when Persona was just a silent Reaper. Now, though, they're taking on a form that pretty much speaks.

.... Although, they COULD technically just have Viel Hunar be silent like their humanoid form. But given what I've just heard, that doesn't seem likely.

Probably handled like Persona since Persona Hunar form is same for both M/F.
Voice clips might be handled by client (pretty sure Persona field code play M/F voice depending on player chara gender)

[Renvalt]

Probably handled like Persona since Persona Hunar form is same for both M/F.
Voice clips might be handled by client (pretty sure Persona field code play M/F voice depending on player chara gender)

Wait, so what's heard is different for everyone?! Weird. I guess I was thinking of it spawning in a manner similar to a Clone or something - like, for example, when spawning a code-clone it checks to see if you've been cloned yourself, otherwise it spawns someone else's clone from a database of cloned chars (that gets wiped daily).

So I figured it simply did a check based on who spawns it in an MPA - I mean, because I had thought that both Persona variants would spawn in one.

Also, Sword Persona doesn't speak. Never has. They're SUPER silent, which makes him dangerous because they're like the only boss that doesn't have a war cry to announce their presence (or rather, it's the same as every other Darker - meaning, you won't be able to tell if it's a Clone, Persona, or just a normal Darker kill order until it's too late).

[LonelyGaruga]

The two Persona variants appear exclusively to each other during normal gameplay. Sword Persona only appears in free fields and some EQs, while DS Persona only appears in AQs. Voice clips are a whole different thing from clones (and it doesn't even work quite like that for clones anyway). The best way to describe it that I can think of is that a variable is set depending on your character's gender that determines whether to play the male or female Persona voice clips. There isn't actually two different versions of Persona, just the voice clips.

And seriously, "until it's too late"? Persona spawns instantly (and so do clones as a matter of fact, but they have a different spawning animation so you can easily differentiate between clones, Persona, and darkers). Being mute is of no assistance to Persona, and Persona isn't even mid-boss status in terms of danger level to begin with. At best, Persona gets one hit on you if you're bad at reacting and spends the rest of the fight getting kited or otherwise cheesed to death.

[Nyansan]

If I wasn't a broken man before, I am now.


http://38.media.tumblr.com/05d2891ee92669eef3f58e3e9ee00064/tumblr_inline_neo0jfo68w1sqf2ij.gif

[Kondibon]

ITT: People give heartfelt speeches because a character they weren't fond of didn't die. :wacko:

[Shadowth117]

Pretty much this. I've been angry for a long time, but...
Well, I actually streamed my reaction for this whole thing since my friends also find amusement in my hatred. Obviously, there was over-the-top angry sputtering, but I was surprised to find that at the very end of it, I was more disappointed than angry. Like I'd been let down by someone very important to me. I found myself very emotional, but not for any of the intended reasons.
This is where the series has taken itself and I think I've finally made peace with that. I don't like it. I hate it. But I think I've finally accepted that this is the future of not only Phantasy Star, but several other titles as well.


Did you guys really expect her to stay dead in a game like this? Its far too upbeat for that kind of thing. Not to mention the waifu pandering nowadays. This game has been all about time travel from the get go too. Ulc of all people gets saved. There were a lot of hints that it would end that way.

I agree it would have been more impactful the other way, but with the audience they're pandering to I honestly believe it would have been wrong to end it that way anyways. It would be a strange direction to go after everything else in this game's story. PSO1 got away with it because 1. it was made for a different era of consumers and 2. it was a darker (no pun intended) theme to begin with. I really wouldn't have minded that direction in all honesty, but from the start that's not where they were headed. Despite the title implying it to be more of a direct sequel, its pretty clear that this game is something more like PSU2 in design and so takes a lot of its elements from that instead.

[landman]

Hey, Episode 3 has two endings, get the one you prefer as the main one! it's obvious the first one had to happen for Persona to exist. But if we leave it like that, then it's just a never ending loop, but the fact is the fact, YOU killed Matoi, YOU became a Dark Falz, but you also broke that loop and saved her. It's nothing new saving Dark Falz hosts in this series, remember Lumia?

[LonelyGaruga]

Kinda unsure if the bad ending is really how Persona came about, because it raises the question of what happened the first time, before Persona existed? Of course, some other random character could have grabbed Matoi and held her down for the player to stab, but eh...Persona's dialogue made it sound so much like the PD really did destroy everything in their time, but is that really the case? And does it result in a time loop, or was it a one time thing? Not that it's especially important, but these things aren't really established. IIRC the story was described in some places as "endless", which sounds like time loop to me...but eh, whatever.

No surprise that Matoi would be saved though, given that Xion contacted the player for the express purpose of saving her. Saving Matoi is your job.

[oratank]

i don't know how pd can destroy eveything when she just die by 8* sword .
sega is fucking lazy to make this weak dead for pd

[Naoya Kiriyama]

i don't know how pd can destroy eveything when she just die by 8* sword .
sega is fucking lazy to make this weak dead for pd

That is a case of Gameplay & Story Segregation.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation

[Renvalt]

Kinda unsure if the bad ending is really how Persona came about, because it raises the question of what happened the first time, before Persona existed? Of course, some other random character could have grabbed Matoi and held her down for the player to stab, but eh...Persona's dialogue made it sound so much like the PD really did destroy everything in their time, but is that really the case? And does it result in a time loop, or was it a one time thing? Not that it's especially important, but these things aren't really established. IIRC the story was described in some places as "endless", which sounds like time loop to me...but eh, whatever.

No surprise that Matoi would be saved though, given that Xion contacted the player for the express purpose of saving her. Saving Matoi is your job.

Actually, after the Viel Hunar fight (the one where Matoi changes forms), if you choose the second option, you actually DO go through with stabbing her. She shows that she's actually okay with it, and Persona remarks about how, in the end, you made the same choice they were going to.

The difference is that, at the end credits, it cuts right to Xion saying that "There's more than one answer". You don't get a scene with yourself turning into Persona (and for what it's worth, Persona just up and leaves).

So yeah, pretty sure the "canon" ending is the one where you spare her. Although there IS an option to kill her and still keep Mister Mask alive. Also, remove Persona watching the fight, and you pretty much get what could've happened in his time - Persona ended up becoming a Falz because of profound sadness and regret that he couldn't save the one he loved. That regret makes him a Falz, even though he has no intention of going through with the whole PD Directive.


I'm flattered you remember my character's eye color, Renvalt, considering his eyes are closed in my sig.

Blame the fact that I barged into your Tumblr out of sheer curiosity and ended up seeing/confirming it for myself. I wouldn'tve remembered otherwise (also, your char's eye color is the same as mine).

Not to mention that I seem to personally want to bully you by making you remember Matoi (since her hair and mine are almost similar colors).

[LonelyGaruga]

That ending doesn't sound like it goes anywhere or answer any questions. It just shows what Persona was going to do and the results from their actions.

No question about saving Matoi being canon though. Was there any doubt about that to begin with?


i don't know how pd can destroy eveything when she just die by 8* sword .
sega is fucking lazy to make this weak dead for pd

Matoi is still transforming proper into the PD. She's as vulnerable as she's ever been to being stabbed by giant swords.

[Renvalt]

Matoi is still transforming proper into the PD. She's as vulnerable as she's ever been to being stabbed by giant swords.

Did.... Did Apprentice not give Matoi the memo that for quick and speedy transformations into existence-destroying beings of sheer and utter chaos, you need to get a Kerrigan-class Cocoon of Transformation?

Also, Persona IS you. His whole purpose was to save Matoi, since he's basically your own character's edgy emo husk.

And finally, turns out that the real Clarissa was actually a shard of Xion's existence - he (Persona) flat out calls the rod that.

So I don't necessarily think Matoi was just someone you could kill and get a replacement - even if you were that replacement. She literally WAS Waifu Jesus, in a sense.

[LonelyGaruga]

Who said anything about killing and replacing Matoi?

[Renvalt]

Who said anything about killing and replacing Matoi?

I dunno, it's just that, from the way that Arredoval is acting, you'd think that she was effectively a waste of space, and that SEGA should've killed her off to make way for a better, more interesting character that could be the Deus Ex Machina she WAS, while still having that old edge that all of Arre's favorite queens of storytelling conquest had.

'Course, that's not to say that I like Matoi either - my character wasn't deliberately made to look like I was her sibling, and her meekness made me go "ehhhh, this isn't necessarily what I wanted, but whatever, I'll deal with it" (then again, I don't actually care for characters all too much in any game - doesn't really matter which one).

At the end of the day, I went "ohhhhh, OHHHH!!!" over Matoi's new threads because I wasn't expecting them to actually give her new ones (and I liked what I saw), I enjoyed the fight against the new enemy, and when all is said and done, I'll just play this game because there are baddies to be fought, music to be heard, and impulses that must be followed.

That's all there is to it.


I just find the whole "nostalgic arrogance" that I feel coming from Arredoval's direction to be infuriating; it's like he's somehow saying "Waifus are useless unless they are sacrificed for the greater plot, just like the Holy Queen Neifirst who died to advance PS2's sacred plot of awesomeness" (terrible example, I know, but that's kinda what's been running through my head).

[SolRiver]

I have to say I am satisfied with ep3.

It was far better than ep1&2. It certainly took a DARN LONG TIME to get here though.

I guess Lisa is a foreshadowing of something beyond.

We had also finally exited xion's calculation

The story certainly remind me of blazblue. The whole loop thing. But I suppose most time jump story nowadays are like this.

and dang matoi got tall... is just the heel or she actually has a mature body after returning normal? I think she was about 150ish cm before, now she seem to be 160+ and 170+ with that heel

[Renvalt]

I have to say I am satisfied with ep3.

It was far better than ep1&2. It certainly took a DARN LONG TIME to get here though.

I guess Lisa is a foreshadowing of something beyond.

We had also finally exited xion's calculation

The story certainly remind me of blazblue. The whole loop thing. But I suppose most time jump story nowadays are like this.

and dang matoi got tall... is just the heel or she actually has a mature body after returning normal? I think she was about 150ish cm before, now she seem to be 160+ and 170+ with that heel

It's the heels. That outfit has some pretty tall ones (I had to do a double take, because I almost thought that her Viel getup was where she got them from.

Also, about that Blazblue comparison: I've been saying this since we fought Persona in 2-6; no one believed me then, and everyone's angry now that I've been proven right now.

And yeah, now that Xion's dead, maybe we can get something more from the story. A completely fresh arc, one not bound to a story obviously co-written by that insufferable bastard Mori (by which I mean BlazBlue's creator, Toshimichi Mori).

[SolRiver]

It's the heels. That outfit has some pretty tall ones (I had to do a double take, because I almost thought that her Viel getup was where she got them from.

I thought it was the heel at first, until I took my character in same cloth as previous matoi(s) to measure. Same cloth before, one of my character is about the same height. Now the new matoi is about 1 full head taller than my character... that's a few bit above 100% vertical heel can do.

but still, I only did rough estimation so far. For all I know, that heel also has extra padding inside to increase height even further. Now matoi is one of the taller female character in the entire arks. (then there is the whole half year time skip before we find matoi)

also, I wonder if xion is truly "dead"; death in this kind of time loop thing would be completely different than normal definition

[arkeido]

and dang matoi got tall... is just the heel or she actually has a mature body after returning normal? I think she was about 150ish cm before, now she seem to be 160+ and 170+ with that heel

Definitely the heel.... looks extremely uncomfortable tho
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[Zorua]

Wait, now I'm super confused. If Persona is the us that chose to kill Matoi. Why did he go back in time and try to kill her again? Was one Matoi's blood not enough?

Edit: Just thought I should clarify that I mean the end of Ep2

[Renvalt]

I thought it was the heel at first, until I took my character in same cloth as previous matoi(s) to measure. Same cloth before, one of my character is about the same height. Now the new matoi is about 1 full head taller than my character... that's a few bit above 100% vertical heel can do.

but still, I only did rough estimation so far. For all I know, that heel also has extra padding inside to increase height even further. Now matoi is one of the taller female character in the entire arks. (then there is the whole half year time skip before we find matoi)

also, I wonder if xion is truly "dead"; death in this kind of time loop thing would be completely different than normal definition

Xion's "existence" was contained in Clarissa, which Persona used to siphon out the essence of the Profound Darkness; in effect taking it onto himself and becoming the PD in her stead.

So no, she's not dead, she's basically fused into Persona's PD self.

[SolRiver]

Xion's "existence" was contained in Clarissa, which Persona used to siphon out the essence of the Profound Darkness; in effect taking it onto himself and becoming the PD in her stead.

So no, she's not dead, she's basically fused into Persona's PD self.

Except with time loop, the xion that is not dead can jump in. That's what I meant the concept of death is not the same. I just find it funny we haven't see persona jump in to mess with persona and another jump in to mess with them until there are so many that the elevator alarm go off and player tell them to get off cause u too fat

Also
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Look like matoi lost some baby fat on her cheek. The space between eyes are also different. Eye type is also different. So this is most definitely a different matoi model... she probably did age, then again I am missing picture of the matoi 10 years ago to do a proper comparison[/spoiler-box]

[Selphea]

Ulc of all people gets saved.

Ulc surviving is actually a trope aversion, considering how many sweet, innocent animu girlfriends of male characters are plotkilled for the sake of character development and to show war is hell. They're almost like the old vet on their last sortie before going back to their family.

[KLMS1]

They're almost like the old vet on their last sortie before going back to their family.

Wistfully gazing at family photos obligatory.

[Taurus83]

This is reason I play second character

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last Episode 3 story mode bring back such a memories of PSP2i :-)

[Loveless62]

But I'm still over-the-top upset that they seem to be personally screwing with me now.
PSOBB (NA/EU) servers went down on my birthday.
PSU (NA/EU PC/PS2) servers went down on my birthday.
I was forced to save Matoi on my birthday.
March 31st. What does this date even mean to you, Sega?
My brief web research indicates that March 31 is the last day of Sega's fiscal year. If that is true, then that date means a lot to Sega. It makes sense that closing servers would align with that date, as companies tend to align business decisions (like closing game servers) around fiscal boundaries (usually fiscal quarters) for budget reasons. I'm not sure about the Matoi thing, though.

So your "curse" is more of a coincidence that you were born on that day.

[TaigaUC]

Definitely the heel.... looks extremely uncomfortable tho

Check out the heels on the Xirys Coat. They look painful as hell.

[KLMS1]

ARKS fashions in general tend not exactly go for what you'd call orthopedic footwear. Take a look at eg. Gettemjerk's and default!Afin's boots and ask yourself if those look either comfortable or like practical combat wear...

Then again, the tech level being what it is the damn things probably feature integral antigravity generators to help take the load off - literally.

[LonelyGaruga]

Wait, now I'm super confused. If Persona is the us that chose to kill Matoi. Why did he go back in time and try to kill her again? Was one Matoi's blood not enough?

Edit: Just thought I should clarify that I mean the end of Ep2

Persona actually goes back to try to save Matoi after failing, but eventually loses hope that saving her is possible and decides that the only solution is to kill her after all.

[KLMS1]

Persona actually goes back to try to save Matoi after failing, but eventually loses hope that saving her is possible and decides that the only solution is to kill her after all.

...though the last time s/he tried that Matoi almost went One Winged Angel on the spot, I seem to recall...

[PokeminMaster]

...though the last time s/he tried that Matoi almost went One Winged Angel on the spot, I seem to recall...
She was probably weaker than, s/he probably could have handled her had we not intervened

[KLMS1]

She was probably weaker than, s/he probably could have handled her had we not intervened

IDK, getting a big-ass energy sword that big shoved through your vitals and not dying on the spot sounds pretty tough to me. More importantly the fact that suffering critical damage like that kickstarted exactly the transformation Persona was apparently trying to avoid in the first place would somewhat seem to imply that trying to kill Matoi is a gamble at best - doubly so as she's now accumulated even more bad juju and whatnot...
Or at least you might wanna use a bit "more gun" in the effort; Matoi herself seems to think so given the hilarious levels of firepower she seems to prefer for her self-termination attempts.

Idle what-if speculation: Persona is unconsciously attempting to fulfill the "PD directive" while thinking s/he's doing the opposite? Falzes do seem to tend towards obsessions and questionable judgement after all... :wacko:

[LonelyGaruga]

When Persona stabbed Matoi in 2-6, it caused the darker energy she absorbed to leak out, which is what initiated the transformation. An attempt at killing her would probably inevitably result in her transforming into the Profound Darkness. Bit of a catch-22 scenario.

[Mattykins]

Except with time loop, the xion that is not dead can jump in. That's what I meant the concept of death is not the same. I just find it funny we haven't see persona jump in to mess with persona and another jump in to mess with them until there are so many that the elevator alarm go off and player tell them to get off cause u too fat


See, this is why I hate weird time bullshit in stuff like this :V

[TaigaUC]

I figured Persona's plot would be something like that. Player fell into despair, blah blah.
Especially with those back-to-back shots that seemed to imply that Persona is your "dark side".


Then again, the tech level being what it is the damn things probably feature integral antigravity generators to help take the load off - literally.

Yeah, especially with all the jump pads in use everywhere.
But in Xirys' case it's not just the gravity, the foot is bent like that -|_ Tetris block.

[Shear]

See, this is why I hate weird time bullshit in stuff like this :V

Actually considering what we've seen it wouldn't work, even if we went into the past there was never 2 of us since in a way we replaced the one that was there.
I guess the reason Persona didn't replace us (or the other way around) is that he turned Dark Falz and became a different being, but there is still only one Persona.

.... but yeah Time Travel Plots get messy VERY Fast ^^;

[TaigaUC]

I hated the going into the past BS in PSO2 from the very start.
If you rescue Matoi, that means you never met Xeno or Echo. So WTF.
Unless of course, you met them afterwards anyway. Still bugs me though.

[LonelyGaruga]

The player doesn't go into the past so much as they do both events of story quests at once (with some exceptions that are more like bad end/good end). The player both saved Matoi and met Zeno and Echo on the same day, in the same mission, by being in two places at once. Afin even acknowledges that he remembers both events occurring on the same day, even though that's impossible...but dismisses it as remembering incorrectly.

[TaigaUC]

So basically Matterboard = Time Traveling Shadow Clones. For everybody involved.

The player essentially multiplies time and space, layering timeline on top of timeline.
The world should have already imploded or something.

Does Uruk say she remembers dying a horrible death?

[LonelyGaruga]

No, that's one of the cases where the player actually does go back in time to undo something. The player does time travel for three instances.

1) Saving Zeno
2) Saving Ulc
3) Seeing what happened in the ARKS attack 10 years in the past

Saving Zeno and Ulc like this makes it so that they never died.

[landman]

Hey, at least the Mater Board avoids creating multiple timelines, if you have ever discussed this series continuity in the past you know they are usually present.

[TaigaUC]

That's so bizarre.

[Mysterious-G]

Hey, at least the Mater Board avoids creating multiple timelines, if you have ever discussed this series continuity in the past you know they are usually present.

Persona's timeline has Matoi die while the MC's doesn't, so that's multiple timelines at least. Now that case is obvious, but we are talking about time travel, so start looking and you'll find errors and contradictions sooner or later. It's an interesting trope, but always makes things messy one way or another

[Chris_Chocobo]

Fuck, almost cried with the credits. So much Episode 2 nostalgia i guess

[landman]

Persona's timeline has Matoi die while the MC's doesn't, so that's multiple timelines at least. Now that case is obvious, but we are talking about time travel, so start looking and you'll find errors and contradictions sooner or later. It's an interesting trope, but always makes things messy one way or another
IF Persona (who is with Xion's remnants) moves around time the same as you, then there is no multiple timeline, the original timeline was Persona's, and your choice changed it (or not, but then you start again its path). This didn't affect Persona because he/she is in your timeline, and sega decided time paradoxes don't apply here (the same as, for example, Dragon Ball Z).

[Mysterious-G]

IF Persona (who is with Xion's remnants) moves around time the same as you, then there is no multiple timeline, the original timeline was Persona's, and your choice changed it (or not, but then you start again its path). This didn't affect Persona because he/she is in your timeline, and sega decided time paradoxes don't apply here (the same as, for example, Dragon Ball Z).

This doesn't make any sense. For Persona to exist in the first place means the Matoi fuck-up must have happened. It doesn't happen in our timeline due to his interference, so that creates one different to the one he originated from.
The story is basically Terminator if the Terminator succeeded in getting John Connor killed, achieving an alternate timeline in which the Skynet rules supreme forever

[Selphea]

It's like Meduca Meguca. We haven't reached the try where Matoi becomes a god and ends all suffering only to get trapped by aliens so Persona is doomed to fail and repeat a few thousand more times.

[Chris_Chocobo]

I dont understand what are you talking about guys, for what i understand from the last episode: Persona is our future self and a Dark Falz, he's already lost so he made a sacrifice to become PD insted of Matoi or us.

[landman]

This doesn't make any sense. For Persona to exist in the first place means the Matoi fuck-up must have happened. It doesn't happen in our timeline due to his interference, so that creates one different to the one he originated from.
The story is basically Terminator if the Terminator succeeded in getting John Connor killed, achieving an alternate timeline in which the Skynet rules supreme forever
Terminator does not have time paradoxes either, you may change the future, but the machines sent from that previous future don't disappear. Persona was always your future, you would have ended doing everything it did (and you did, in the first ending or choosing to slay Matoi in the final path), but that does not affect the original Persona, the same way the T-800 sent from the future in T2 does not disappear, or suddenly gets reprogrammed with a different future (check Frequency or The Butterfly Effect).

[arnd]

That episode 3 ending theme by Kenichi Tokoi and Runblebee was well worth the wait.

[Mysterious-G]

Terminator does not have time paradoxes either, you may change the future, but the machines sent from that previous future don't disappear. Persona was always your future, you would have ended doing everything it did (and you did, in the first ending or choosing to slay Matoi in the final path), but that does not affect the original Persona, the same way the T-800 sent from the future in T2 does not disappear, or suddenly gets reprogrammed with a different future (check Frequency or The Butterfly Effect).

Yeah, of course. But that means there are multiple timelines, doesn't it?

[PokeminMaster]

I dont understand what are you talking about guys, for what i understand from the last episode: Persona is our future self and a Dark Falz, he's already lost so he made a sacrifice to become PD insted of Matoi or us.
[Persona] is the us that had to kill Matoi, so s/he can't well exist in the same timeline if Matoi is saved

[landman]

Yeah, of course. But that means there are multiple timelines, doesn't it?
So far the Mater Board has avoided creating multiple timelines, I don't know why this time it would be different.

[KLMS1]

So far the Mater Board has avoided creating multiple timelines

...that we know of. Branching off a crapton of parallels might well be an inconvenient side effect to the process the living planets don't bother telling us about.

Not like we could tell the difference anyway.

[Chris_Chocobo]

[Persona] is the us that had to kill Matoi, so s/he can't well exist in the same timeline if Matoi is saved

So, if [Persona] is vanished from existance and Matoi is saved. Who is the PD we see at the end?

[Poyonche]

It is [Persona]. Or Xion. Or the both.

[PokeminMaster]

It is [Persona]. Or Xion. Or the both.
Yeah, they're starting to lose themselves from the look of it

[landman]

...that we know of. Branching off a crapton of parallels might well be an inconvenient side effect to the process the living planets don't bother telling us about.

Not like we could tell the difference anyway.
But the first story quest is proof that we are in a single timeline with all paths mixed by the Mater Board, if that wasn't the case, the result would be timeline 1 with meeting Zeno and Echo (and seeing a black dude die), timeline 2 saving Matoi and timeline 3 meeting Persona and Getemhut. We know that everything happened in the same timeline, at the same time. That is the power of the Mater Board.

[KLMS1]

That also has a pretty obvious issue with paradoxes built in. Always seemed to me more like the X's use us to explore the various possible causal paths and then *somehow* finangle those into a single continuum that poduces the desired outcome and somehow holds together. Presumably all the weird little fetching of particular things and talking to particular people at particular times somehow lays the groundwork for such spatiotemporal shenanigans.
Incidental side effects include AIBO being a bit fuzzy on just how many times he actually went out on that one training exercise with you...

Anyway, the point is that ultimately we only really see the results. We have absolutely no way of knowing what kind of mess we might be actually making on the side and really, so long as it isn't causing our reality to implode or something it doesn't matter either. (Not that we'd much be aware of it if we were on a parallel that got wiped, ofc...)
Which would also be one reason the Xi's (who clearly *can* perceive this kind of stuff to some degree at least) would not bother telling us about any such possible timeline tangle. Another would be to avoid distracting us from the work that needs doing for the greater good...

[TaigaUC]

None of this explains how everyone is the same single hero~

[SolRiver]

None of this explains how everyone is the same single hero~

Then on episode X, the player woke up and realize this was all a dream. Matoi was just a dream waifu that never existed, and you are just an otaku without a job on arks ship.

[TaigaUC]

Sounds like the plot for the new anime.

[KLMS1]

None of this explains how everyone is the same single hero~

Y'all others are just posers and wannabes, that's how. o3o

[Zyrusticae]

None of this explains how everyone is the same single hero~
As is usual with multiplayer RPG stories:

Gameplay and story segregation. It's kind of dumb, but them's the breaks.

[Selphea]

Secret World did it best by making everyone a nameless mook climbing the corporate ladder.

[yoshiblue]

All you need is a panning cutscene with Luther wrapping an arm around you just so he can say, "You see these fools? They don't matter, but you, you're going places."

Boom, problem solved.

[EspeonageTieler]

As is usual with multiplayer RPG stories:

Gameplay and story segregation. It's kind of dumb, but them's the breaks.

this is one thing i dont understand people complaining about we are playing the story mode about ourselves not someone else same goes for alot of mmos where someones a select hero

[Shadowth117]

As is usual with multiplayer RPG stories:

Gameplay and story segregation. It's kind of dumb, but them's the breaks.

This. I'm not sure why there's even a question of it. This same type of deal has been present through literally every PSO series game so far I'm pretty sure (haven't played Zero, Nova, or PSO EP3 so excuse me on those if they don't follow this). Its cool if you can integrate everyone together in a way that works, but I'm not going to complain if everyone plays the story as functionally the same person.

Honestly with this game in particular, you could probably even make the argument that everyone else is the hero in an alternate timeline. The canon is pretty lose with how the time travel stuff goes.