Double 816

[JellyfishCafe]

Around last month, my account was 816'd and i passed it off as just being unlucky. I started another account around a week ago and just received the 630 disconnect error followed by another 816 ban upon trying to login.

Is there something i should be doing that i'm not doing? Like running a VPN, or something like that.

On both accounts I pretty much did the same thing, which was sticking to solo runs, not speaking English (now that i think about it i haven't typed in chat once).. pretty much just trying to not upset the JPN players.

Neither of my accounts have received an email from sega but i'm still kinda hoping to get one. The customer support request i sent to sega on my last account hasn't received a response.

If anyone knows anything about this i'd be really really grateful.

[Hitoshura]

I can't really tell you much or help you out with it, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to tell us what patches or mods you may have been using. Same goes for anyone else who's been hit with an 816 recently, I've been seeing a bit of this recently and I want to see if there's anything in common between each case other than the obvious one which is GAJIIN PURGE RUN FOR THE HILLS

[JellyfishCafe]

Thanks for the reply.

I run the tweaker with the english patch, large files, story, and item translation, which all seem pretty okay.

[Hitoshura]

Hmm okay, thanks for the info. There's been a few gaijin 816es in the past day or two and you're the second one I've seen mention using every translation patch. It could just be unfortunate gaijins getting caught in Sega's usual sweeps for suspicious activity though.

[Zorua]

I've had 2 team members get 816'd in the last month. It's just a correlation, but they were both SEA players that used proxies.

[Kirby54729]

I just got hit by one yesterday, also using all translation patches.
I read some Chinese forums that also said that they've been seeing more 816s lately, personally the only thing I could name that happened recently on PD so I've been thinking if that has anything to do with this

[otakun]

so the current correlation between them have been the PD EQ, all the translation patches and SEA players?

[Kirby54729]

I wouldn't call it a correlation, just a theory. I'm not sure, but I doubt the Chinese players use as many patches for example

[.Jack]

Around last month, my account was 816'd and i passed it off as just being unlucky. I started another account around a week ago and just received the 630 disconnect error followed by another 816 ban upon trying to login.

Is there something i should be doing that i'm not doing?

Not sure if you used that second account with same internet connection same IP. If you are, that might be the reason.

I haven't heard of any bans from any friends or teammates in months so this is kind of random.

[HentaiLolicon]

Using private VPN here (server located in JP), been doing good for 2 years already though I usually log in/log out like mad ('cause of bad/good client shit)

[JellyfishCafe]

Not sure if you used that second account with same internet connection same IP. If you are, that might be the reason.

I haven't heard of any bans from any friends or teammates in months so this is kind of random.

ahh shit. Yeah that could be it actually, damn.

[Z-0]

Makes no sense though, I've always played on Alt accounts on the same IP and don't have 816...

[Shirou66]

Here are some of the explanation for the reasons that could get yourself 816
hopefully it could give you some idea

Warning : My English isn't the best, so there should be times you have no idea what in the world I'm talking, also I'm just translating all of these from a Chinese forum, but due to that 10 post thingy I can't post the original link for you :-?

first, please keep in mind that 816 means that your account is currently freeze
and it's under suspicion, doesn't necessarily mean you did anything but you'll still won't be able to play it, well... unless you go write a letter to SEGA in Japanese, but they most likely won't serve overseas players(IP)

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1. RMT

Well if you really did that, You reap what you sow
But if you didn't, then here are some few chances that might let them think you're RMT

A. you trade a bunch of items to a player without them giving anything back to you
B. you put up a 999,999,999MST grinder and it got bought

with these large amount of Money Flow, they'll definitely suspect you for RMT

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2. VPN, Overseas IP

I don't think explanations are needed for this one
after DDoS, I'm pretty sure they started to be more cations for overseas IP
put it in short, if your current IP location was once banned because of the other players
you have a higher chance getting banned as well

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3. Game hack

Serves you right :etongue:
BUT there is a chance that GameGuard want's to be stupid and relate something totally weird in your computer and report you as cheating

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4. Multiple Accounts

There's a rule that says clearly one person cannot have more than one account
so if you are using the same credit card for both account, your chance of 816 is increased

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5. Mods and Patches

It might be legal for your country
But not in Japan, so if by any chance they know that you installed mods or patches
there's a chance it might cause your account to 816

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6. You got 816 before
(I'm pretty sure that's your case)

If you got 816 before, using the same MAC/ IP to start a new account
it's pretty much doing nothing ^^;

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7. Your character got reported by other players

Well, I mean if you didn't do something SO SO stupid, I don't think that will ever happen

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Here are the ones that listed in the forum
But do remind there's always other weird reasons

One shown on the forum was 816
because he use the shop searching engine so frequently in a short period of time

So YEAH! You pretty much will never know what in the world you did to get yourself banned the first time
unless you go read the mail the sent you

[otakun]

The overseas IP never seemed like an issue before, even after the DDoS attacks, lots of overseas players have been playing for over a year afterwords. So, even though that is the most likely choice in any case for the reasoning for the account freezes I highly doubt that's the case especially since it seems a lot of these 816's have been a recent thing.

[Kirby54729]

if this was targeted towards overseas players I would've expected much larger numbers and more attention, but the biggest issue to me here is that they didn't even send an email. That guy who camped the market and got 816 as a tempban with an email telling him when it would expire, and all of the current information we have regarding how to deal with 816 seems assume you would have an email from SEGA, yet a lot of the current cases don't have one

[seilent]

i don't think it's cause of IP from same connection, using the proxy basically changes our IP anyway, probably it's just random strikes from SEGA and they logged your MAC so future account created with that MAC will be banned again, try to change MAC address maybe

[Achelousaurus]

Selling cheap stuff like grinders or mates for a lot of meseta is that suspicious?
Or only when it's a ridiculous amount like billions?

What about people selling XQ / AQ runs? And that guy offering 10million for a custom made symbol art a while ago?

Is that all risky cause you can get banned for potentially doing RMT?

[TaigaUC]

I've been pretty lucky.
Done most of the above, not including RMT, game hack or mods/patches unless you count AMT.
Done it for a few friend's accounts, too.
As far as being reported, I try to keep a low profile. I also occasoinally do a search online to see if anyone is talking about my characters or accounts, but nobody does.
I've seen JP threads of people listing possible foreigners, although I don't know if they reported those people.

No bans yet. You can be sure I will quit the game if I do get banned.
Not worth taking the risk and wasting time just to get banned again for some stupid reason.

[wefwq]

Try to keep low profile are the best bet, and do any stupid stuff too.
If you're not playing on ship 2, do your best to fit in with the crowd and try to be not too loud. somehow remind me of certain stealth game wtf.


I've seen JP threads of people listing possible foreigners, although I don't know if they reported those people.
Yeah, i seen those kind of thread on 2ch too, complete with the link to the SEGA report inquiry form right in their OP too.
But they're usually target the "shitters" like people who bring EXP weapon to XH EQ, afk in the corner of the map (usually TD case), or people who do stupid stuff.
Though the OP of such thread usually include to report people who are using tweaker, they probably only able to identify such case from translated party names (if set to the "quest names"), or translated autowords/various macros.

[Meteor Weapon]

People who got 816, what ship are they on? On ship10 atm and had hear nothing about people getting banned so far.

[JellyfishCafe]

uhh i'll give some more info just in case anyone finds it useful.



Both accounts had characters on ship 2.
I didn't know the proxy existed before this thread so unfortunately i didn't get to use it.
Not sure whether Australia is considered as being a part of SEA but they're pree close, so...
There are these times where my net sorta cuts out for a short time every 20 seconds or so, which sometimes cause disconnects. This problem doesn't happen often but it did occur on both of my accounts sometime during their lifetime.



Account 1:


Created around the end of 2013-ish?
Played with a few friends for about a year, before we all lost interest, none of us got 816'd during this time.
We all used all the translation patches from the tweaker
Last month we started again, with new characters. I joined a bit later than the rest of them, so was doing level catchup solo. During this time:

I didn't talk in chat once on the new character (probably a bit of a stretch but would this make SEGA think i'm a bot?)
transferred all the stuff from my old char to the new one (after a bit of reading around the forums this one seems to be okay)
Used all the translation patches from the tweaker.


The day before this account was banned, I was afking in my room sending the support partner on COs. I did this too on my old char in early 2014 so if this is the cause of 816, i wouldn't understand why...


Account 2:


Solo runs, no talking in chat, no EQs, just me and NPCs.
Used all the tweaker's translation patches, they make life nicer.
Got the 630 disconnect -> 816 ban during sub tunnels exploration, i was in the second room for pretty long seeing all the different field events that would pop up.


Now that i think about it none of this sounds very useful but hey, who knows.

Thanks to everyone who responded in this thread, you've all given me peace of mind.

[Shoterxx]

I don't know about the first time, but I'd bet the second ban was simply because you were using the same IP as the first account, which was probably flagged on ban.

One question though, did any of your friends get banned (in case they live around the same area as you)?

[JellyfishCafe]

Yeah i agree with you about that second ban

None of my mates were banned, and we're all living fairly close to each other, so its pretty weird.

[ark0]

you'd think there'd be less insulting people in block one (ship2) with the slurs and porn

[ShinMegamiSensei]

Well not a lot of Japanese even visit B1 to go around reporting everyone there. The 2ch threads are usually for reporting actual players that use english patch in other blocks.

As a warning to others, change the setting that makes you use the quest name as your party name. If you have eng patch on, it shows the quest you are doing in english to everyone, not just patch users. Change it so it uses your character name instead. English character names are not english-player exclusive, so you're safer that way.

[Shoterxx]

Have you changed ISP since before you restarted playing? Is yours different from your friend's?

*just speculation*
Back in SEA, IIRC, there were issues with people getting banned and ip-blocked due to trouble with their local ISP. And, IIRC, you said you didn't use VPN.
Looking at the world map, you're pretty close to Indonesia, which is SEA. Maybe some sort of conflict?

[JellyfishCafe]

Have you changed ISP since before you restarted playing? Is yours different from your friend's?

Nah, my ISP has been the same ever since.
Weirdly though, yeah, one of my friends is with the exact same ISP but he wasn't 816'd.

Actually, none of them have really bothered to logon because our interest in the game has kind of died, so they might be banned without knowing it... I might ask 'em to check one of these days.

[seilent]

oce u get banned the MAC address will be recorded, and u will have another ban shortly after u create new account, worst case everyone that tries to login via banned MAC will get banned too..
there's some app that can change mac address like tmac

[sparab]

As a warning to others, change the setting that makes you use the quest name as your party name. If you have eng patch on, it shows the quest you are doing in english to everyone, not just patch users. Change it so it uses your character name instead. English character names are not english-player exclusive, so you're safer that way.

JP know if a room name=player name, the player is most likely a patch user.

[TheszNuts]

JP know if a room name=player name, the player is most likely a patch user.

Or just not use patch.

[ShinMegamiSensei]

JP know if a room name=player name, the player is most likely a patch user.
Still no evidence to support it though. Having the quest in eng is proof enough to send it in.

[sparab]

I doubt any patch user is banned due to "reported for being foreigner" by players. Simply take a look at quest counter and you will have prove to report hundreds of players each day, yet the one who got banned are just a tiny fraction.

I would rather believe the 816 is more likely a result of auto-detect system, which is scripted to track and ban players for ridiculous reasons. 816 is actually a temp ban that JP players can mail sega and prove their innocence, but for foreigners...it's a goodbye to your account.