How would you feel about a new wiki?

[Nanaha]

Not like I'm building one in secret scrounging up information from Cirno or something.
*cough*

ie How would you feel about an open wiki where registered users can edit pages and update information?

--This may or may not affect my decision on allowing public edits on the wiki I'm definitely not building.

[ArcaneTechs]

If it can be managed right, do it, if you cannot keep up with info (cirno) then don't bother. I haven't heard anything about Arkive in a long time as well and safe to assume Cirno hasn't done much either.

Good luck, hopefully people don't go buck wild with false info edits down the road

[wefwq]

As long as it well maintained and has updated information, more information resource are always welcomed.

Also, need more info on CO mostly the new franka COs, having item name to copy-paste for visiphone search will be very handy.

[CoWorker]

I would like to help out in (mostly copy pasting stuff from cirno, bumped and swiki) if there's any

[MiPHISTo]

As long as it's not Costumepedia.. Err, I mean, Cirnopedia.

[ZerotakerZX]

swiki + google translate are fine by me

[Rupikachu]

A plugin that translates better swiki would be more useful imo..

[Nanaha]

Well as soon as I figure out a format for all the items and create listings, I should be able to toss out the link for my in-progress public wiki.



Probably after I set plenty of examples in it so that things don't get messed up.

[Naoya Kiriyama]

For english resources, I use https://sites.google.com/site/pso2db/home but this one had some stuff. First, it's mostly aimed towards gear. There's nothing about FUN, scratches and some other random miscellanea that I would rather see in the wiki too.

But in any case, open wiki > closed wiki, so by all means, go for it.

[Lostbob117]

From my past wiki experience people help a little, but it's mainly just 1 person doing the edits.

(My past wiki and let's not forget how PSUPedia ended up being like.)

[Para]

Cirno has not been updated in ages.

[Shadowth117]

Yeah if you do something like this, please allow edits. Cirno not doing that really let it die and be the opposite of useful for a lot of people. I don't mind helping to add new pages for new content. I miss PSUPedia to be honest.

[HentaiLolicon]

I'm willing to mess ..uhmm help it

[~Shiina~]

The pso2 wikia is a thing. It needs more people to update faster. Check it out and try to contribute if you can.

[Vintasticvin]

Just DOOOO IT! <3

[Z-0]

The pso2 wikia is a thing. It needs more people to update faster. Check it out and try to contribute if you can.
Wikia's a bit of a mess and honestly not that great.

If the OP can install a mediawiki and host it somewhere, that would be the best. For reference, MediaWiki is what Wikipedia runs on and it's free software -- PSUPedia and their sub-wikis used it too.

[Flaoc]

if you can pull this off that would be very welcome. i usually go to swiki but it feels harder to navigate than cirno was and it has nothing to do with swiki being in jp at all. the only true advantage the swiki has is how fast it updates with info which is nice to have. Like others said it needs to be an open wiki not a closed one. a community run wiki would get work done faster and better than a lone wolf (like cirno) as long as nobody scumbags and puts in false info

[Xaelouse]

Would be great if you can read JP and can translate all the info on swiki for use, then one-up it in cleaner website design + even more info.
I wish Arkive flourished more than Cirnopedia

[JCry]

As long as it well maintained and has updated information, more information resource are always welcomed.

Also, need more info on CO mostly the new franka COs, having item name to copy-paste for visiphone search will be very handy.

I'm missing 1 from Kuron and UQ Lillipa. Sorry, I'd have them both if my COs weren't on cooldown. Having these in a sticky note saved me half the time of alt tabbing lol

[spoiler-box]
Franka Orders (Updated)

Forest
Oodan Meat x10
ウーダンの肉

Aginis Meat x5
アギニスの肉

Mystery Fruits x10
謎の木の実

Aginis Breast Meat x3
アギニスの胸肉

Hard Nuts x3
堅い木の実

Rockbeat Meat x1
ロックベアの肉

Rockbear Arm Meat x1
ロックベアの腕肉
Fresh Fruit x1
みずみずしい木の実

Fang Banther Hide x1
ファングバンサーの皮
Fang Banshee Fur x1
ファングバンシーの柔毛

Mature Aginis Meat x10
老成したアギニスの肉

V.Caves
Digg Meat x10
ディッグの肉

Nordiran Meat x10
ノーディランの肉

Fordoran Horns x2
フォードランの角

Dried Leaves x5
干からびた野草

Vol Dragon Meat x1
ヴォル・ドラゴンの肉

Vol Dragon Fangs x1
ヴォル・ドラゴンの牙

Feverish Digg Meat x10
高熱を帯びたディッグの肉

Desert
Mystery Carapace x10
謎の甲虫の殻

Hard Leaves x10
硬い葉

Spardan A Armor x10
スパルダンＡの装甲

Rock Salt x10
岩塩

Spargun Barrel x5
スパルガンの砲身

Small Black Fruit x10
黒い小さな実
Small White Fruit x5
白い小さな実

Gwanahda Pincers x1
グワナーダの大ばさみ

Spardan A Leg Parts x10
スパルダンＡの脚パーツ

Tundra
Gulfur Meat x10
ガルフルの肉

Fangulfur Meat x5
ファンガルフルの肉

Malmoth Meat x5
マルモスの肉

Verdant Plants x5
霜の降った稲穂

De Malmoth Meat x1
デ・マルモスの肉

Snow Banther Meat x1
スノウバンサーの肉
Snow Banshee Meat x1
スノウバンシーの肉

Mature De Malmoth Meat x1
老成したデ・マルモスの肉

Tunnels
Guardine Frame x5
ガーディンのフレーム

Gilnas Armor x2
ギルナスの装甲

Gilnas Heavy Armor x2
ギルナスの重装甲

Floating Islands
Fordoransa Meat x2
フォードランサの肉

Baridran Meat x10
バリドランの肉

Windira Wing Horns x5
ウィンディラの翼角

Caterdransa Meat x1
キャタドランサの肉

Quartz Dragon Scales x1
クォーツ・ドラゴンの鱗

Mature Baridran Meat x10
老成したバリドランの肉

Ruins
Krabahda Shells x5
クラバーダの甲殻

Kuklonahda Arms x3
キュクロナーダの右腕片

Zeshrayda Blades x1
ゼッシュレイダの腕刃片

Gu Wonda Shield Fragments x3
グウォンダの大盾の破片

Sanctum
Deegalla Horns x10
ディガーラの鋭角

Sol Deegalla Wings x10
ソル・ディガーラの翼膜

Pendran Tails x5
ペンドランの尾肉

Dirandal Crystal Fragments x3
ディランダールの水晶片

Sol Dirandal Meat x3
ソル・ディランダールの肉

Healthy Pendran Meat x10
活発なペンドランの肉

Coast
Torbon Meat x10
トルボンの肉

Seglezun Thigh Meat x10
セグレズンのもも肉

Aculpus Dorsal Fins x5
アクルプスの背びれ

Blumegalla Scales x3
ブルメガーラのうろこ

Org Blan Breasts x1
オルグブランの胸肉

Bal Rodos Scales x1
バル・ロドスの光鱗

Healthy Aculpus Meat x10
活発なアクルプスの肉

Quarry
Cust. Kindidd Blades x10
カストキンディッドの刃

Stark Gun Leg Parts x5
シュタークガンの足パーツ

Vinto Valgar Barriers x5
ヴィントバルガーの障壁

Cust. Guardinane Dynamos x5
カストガーディナンの動力

Batra Gun Boosters x3
バトラガンのブースター

Jagd Dingell Blades x2
ヤクトディンゲールの剣刃

Vardha Soma Engines x1
ヴァーダーソーマ内燃機関

Jagd Vargr Boosters x10
ヤクトバルガーブースター

Seabed
Tag Aculpus Meat x10
タグ・アクルプスの肉

Talobecko Meat x10
タロベッコの肉

Tag Sevanian Meat x5
タグ・セヴァニアンの肉

Falcabone Meat x5
ファルカボネの肉

Sevanian Meat x5
セヴァニアンの肉

Vid Gilos Meat x3
ヴィド・ギロスの肉

Biol Meduna Meat x1
ビオル・メデューナの肉

Shironia
Anushi-zagri Notes x10
アヌシザグリのお札
Paji-ghiry Sash Fragments x10
パジギッリの帯の欠片

Azure Ice Stones x1
碧氷石

Ganna-gam Horn x3
ガンナガムの大角
Leran-gam Weights x3
レランガムの風袋

Facility
Tarvolpus Blades x3
タルボルプスの刃片
Falgarbon Shell x3
ファルガルボンの貝殻

Nepto Cassadora Scale x1
ネプト・キャサドーラの鱗
Rheo Madullard Spine x1
レオマドゥラードの鋭棘

Kuron
Large Toy Parts x1
巨大な玩具の破片

Drums & Embers
パジゴワンの鼓 x10
コドニアガリの種火 x5

Claws & Axes
イタギザクリの鋭爪 x5
オロオガルの大斧 x2

Spirit Scythes
??? x1

Ultimate Naberius
Plosiorgles Meat x1
プロジオーグルスの肉

Ultimate Lillipa
??? x1
[/spoiler-box]

[untrustful]

From my past wiki experience people help a little, but it's mainly just 1 person doing the edits.

(My past wiki and let's not forget how PSUPedia ended up being like.)

Pretty much. Also, make sure you use your own domain and hosting. Using a free domain (like wikkii before it was bought by an advertising company and later erased from existence), means your website exists on their terms.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD PLEASE BACK UP FREQUENTLY

[untrustful]

Also, if you're going to make this wiki open to the public and editing after registering an account, you'll need to have to setup that security thing where people type the word they see, and you'll need to have a kind of blacklist for certain words or phrases that trolls and adbots use when they make accounts.

I used to have a wiki before the free wiki host was bought, and adbots were a huge issue. So I used a blacklist tool and added words to the blacklist that I knew wouldn't show up for pso like "back rubs" "TVs only 250" "seo advertising" etc.

[starwind75043]

While you may be the one that holds and owns the wiki perhaps recruit players that would help you keep in maintained and updated. perhaps some players that do speak Japanese as well.

I think a community based wiki would be best.

[Vatallus]

This is how I feel about a new wiki. Or what I would like to see. A wiki like S wiki that has rather accurate info and updates quickly, but one that is a lot cleaner than S wiki too. I find S wiki a bit hard to navigate at times.

[Asuka~]

Also, if you're going to make this wiki open to the public and editing after registering an account, you'll need to have to setup that security thing where people type the word they see, and you'll need to have a kind of blacklist for certain words or phrases that trolls and adbots use when they make accounts.

I used to have a wiki before the free wiki host was bought, and adbots were a huge issue. So I used a blacklist tool and added words to the blacklist that I knew wouldn't show up for pso like "back rubs" "TVs only 250" "seo advertising" etc.

Yeah. Expanding on this a little.. You could also approve stuff before edits are actually made to prevent trolls or incorrect info being there or something - if possible.

[Alucard V]

One question. Why isn't PSO-World picking up the slack? It has a database of PSO(EP2), C.A.R.D. Revolution, Blue Burst, and PSU but after that nothing.

[Icis]

This would be really nice for organizing story information.

[Nanaha]

While you may be the one that holds and owns the wiki perhaps recruit players that would help you keep in maintained and updated. perhaps some players that do speak Japanese as well.

I think a community based wiki would be best.

Clearly I won't be managing the wiki all by myself. I don't have enough time to check that many page edits. It's basically an idea of
*Have you made many pages?
*Do you help other users with editing?
*Can you handle cases with short-tempered users?

That's essentially my criteria for selecting admins of the wiki. Of course none of that matters if you abuse the admin powers. i.e overwriting appropriate pages, locking down edits, etc


Wikia's a bit of a mess and honestly not that great.

If the OP can install a mediawiki and host it somewhere, that would be the best. For reference, MediaWiki is what Wikipedia runs on and it's free software -- PSUPedia and their sub-wikis used it too.

I actually am using Mediawiki. It's what Im used to and I find it to generally be much more useful than most other wikis.


Pretty much. Also, make sure you use your own domain and hosting. Using a free domain (like wikkii before it was bought by an advertising company and later erased from existence), means your website exists on their terms.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD PLEASE BACK UP FREQUENTLY

I wish I could say I have my own domain and host, but sadly I don't. You'll have to deal with ads that I have little control over(though I think adblock works well against them). The host doesn't seem like it would be shut down/bought anytime soon, but I'll make sure to keep a wiki backup nonetheless.


Also, if you're going to make this wiki open to the public and editing after registering an account, you'll need to have to setup that security thing where people type the word they see, and you'll need to have a kind of blacklist for certain words or phrases that trolls and adbots use when they make accounts.

I used to have a wiki before the free wiki host was bought, and adbots were a huge issue. So I used a blacklist tool and added words to the blacklist that I knew wouldn't show up for pso like "back rubs" "TVs only 250" "seo advertising" etc.

The wiki host actually has a blacklist of words/phrases that has been compiled from all the other wikis it hosts so bots aren't too much of an issue. If it does become an issue however, I'll look into putting a captcha boss.
But not a japanese captcha boss

[lunamaniac]

I think public edits would be a good idea, if vandalism becomes a problem, maybe a team of moderators could be formed?

The more closed it is, the more likely that it could eventually end up like Cirno.

[Shinamori]

Question: Would any of these (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services) be good?

[Nanaha]

Question: Would any of these (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services) be good?

The one that I'm using is ShoutWiki, which happens to be listed on there.

[cheeto]

If it's anything like psupedia was for psu, then I say please do it, anyone could edit that and it was kept up pretty well with very little false information, Good Luck and thanks if you decide too!

[pkemr4]

since cirnopedia looks abandoned i think a new Wiki would be fine

[NoobSpectre]

Well... good luck with that, the game mechanics and stuff would be still within acceptable range, but then the AC scratch on accessories and such.... either you abandon that or have to cross check with bumped.

[Selphea]

Well... good luck with that, the game mechanics and stuff would be still within acceptable range, but then the AC scratch on accessories and such.... either you abandon that or have to cross check with bumped.

Probably better off hooking up Kimono (https://kimonolabs.com/) to each of Swiki's listings to create a bunch of RSS feeds, then converting it into a todo list from there. If there's a way to push that to Trello it'd be all set.

I support a wiki in principle but the devil is in the execution - who's going to pay for it, how is it going to be QC'd, how do you settle on a standardized format for each item etc etc

[Nanaha]

On the main page at least. Just been adding wiki resources and misc things for the wiki. Have yet to make templates for items, nor am I illustriously creating description pages for classes/races/npcs yet.

[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/mxj1b/e42e9f4b24.png[/spoiler-box]

[untrustful]

You're better off with a translator on hand copying pso2 swiki bit by bit.

[untrustful]

I'll see if I can come up with a template

[Selphea]

Nanacress? I'll go stalk you on Ship 2 :D!

[Azelyra]

I would 110% Volunteer to help out with this, whether it be information, updating, maintaining, graphics designing, whatever would be fine with me.

The hardest things for all players (Yes, JPs included), and ESPECIALLY for EN players is the lack of information. It's never exactly clear to us really what does what (perhaps it's partially SEGA's fault for lack of transparency), but at least if there can be an updated wiki running with at least all the costumes, weapons, potentials and all the things that are important to the game up-to-date, it would help out so many more new players that may come to the game.

I still don't know either myself if there will be a lot of new players for Episode 4 or not, but, I do believe that it's worth to lend a hand to help out everybody in the community as we can, we're a small community yet all I see is fighting over who has the best gear, etc >_<

Other than that, guides here and there could maybe also be posted around the wiki, plus if it's a wiki there should be a talk page where people can actually go and see testimonials, discussions, etc... Which may help in their decision making of "Hey, should I get this weapon?", "Would this armor set work with this build?", etc...

But you get my idea.
Once again, I'm 110% willing to help out; or rather I would absolutely LOVE to help out.

[Naoya Kiriyama]

On the main page at least. Just been adding wiki resources and misc things for the wiki. Have yet to make templates for items, nor am I illustriously creating description pages for classes/races/npcs yet.

[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/mxj1b/e42e9f4b24.png[/spoiler-box]
For now it's pretty simple, but at least there's content (about 70-80 pages). Tbh I just rather have the information available over being super duper pretty. I can lend you a hand about that, but I've never edited a wiki before (I mean formatting and coding stuff .3.) If I have templates of stuff, I can do the port information to the wiki.


Nanacress? I'll go stalk you on Ship 2 :D!

He-hentai!

[Nanaha]

For now it's pretty simple, but at least there's content (about 70-80 pages).


If I told you that alot of that is just wiki resources would you be scared? I still haven't really touched up on item templating yet nor filling in content.

[untrustful]

I've been working on a template for weapons, but I need to get a hold of how parsing works. The idea is to have people simply punch in a number for the rarity and the wiki would display that in stars.

Check out the DemoWeapon page.

[Nanaha]

I've been working on a template for weapons, but I need to get a hold of how parsing works. The idea is to have people simply punch in a number for the rarity and the wiki would display that in stars.

Check out the DemoWeapon page.

I'm kind of surprised you found the site. Well I shouldn't be surprised, it only takes 2 keywords into google.


The main issue I had when creating weapons was trying to fit them into a sortable table. If you're curious, you can check out the table header at "Template:WeaponList/Header". I think I deleted the relevant page to use with the list since I wanted to start anew however.

[untrustful]

That would be good for listing all weapons of a particular category like swords.

I'm rusty with mediawiki, so I got a lot to catch up with in regards to parsing and templates.

[Nanaha]

Well it should be plenty of time to catch up. I might be able to roll out a very nice weapon template(or might not), but either way it would take me quite some time. I also wasn't expecting company, but I'll probably be slapping incomplete tags on all the empty pages ive made so far.

[Naoya Kiriyama]

If I told you that alot of that is just wiki resources would you be scared? I still haven't really touched up on item templating yet nor filling in content.

I guessed they were placeholders or stuff like that. Still, it's something

[untrustful]

That'll be all for tonight. Hope that weapon template is of some use.

[catwat]

http://pso2.swiki.jp/

[Nanaha]

Finally have a table template running that can sort the weapons. Still not ready for individual weapon pages, but

Work has been done.

[Chdata]

It feels as if wikis for things nowadays end up being maintained by one person and depend on that person's interest in the subject.

Nowadays you see a wiki for like every anime ever made (hundreds of different wikis) but it all depends on who cares to even set one up.

Some wikis for some modding communities I go to have pages that are only maintained by like 1 guy.

[Sirius-91]

Finally have a table template running that can sort the weapons. Still not ready for individual weapon pages, but

Work has been done.

Check out the PSO2es Translations for certain weapon names.
https://github.com/PolCPP/PSO2es-Translation/

Right now, the rifles are done, but not their descriptions.

[Nanaha]

It feels as if wikis for things nowadays end up being maintained by one person and depend on that person's interest in the subject.

Nowadays you see a wiki for like every anime ever made (hundreds of different wikis) but it all depends on who cares to even set one up.

Some wikis for some modding communities I go to have pages that are only maintained by like 1 guy.

Well that would be why I'm making these templates. Users can go register into the wiki, (hopefully) look at documentation for how to add new items, then go ahead and add them.

This is what I've been working on
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/my94l/4f966e2cd0.png[/spoiler-box]

and this is what untrustful has been doing(hope he doesn't mind me posting
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/my96W/205743a04d.png[/spoiler-box]

[Nitro Vordex]

http://pso2.swiki.jp/
It's for English you doofus.

[Weiss9029]

Well that would be why I'm making these templates. Users can go register into the wiki, (hopefully) look at documentation for how to add new items, then go ahead and add them.

This is what I've been working on
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/my94l/4f966e2cd0.png[/spoiler-box]

and this is what untrustful has been doing(hope he doesn't mind me posting
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/my96W/205743a04d.png[/spoiler-box]
Do you think its possible to use numbers instead of the stars for the weapons?

[Lostbob117]

Well that would be why I'm making these templates. Users can go register into the wiki, (hopefully) look at documentation for how to add new items, then go ahead and add them.

This is what I've been working on
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/my94l/4f966e2cd0.png[/spoiler-box]

and this is what untrustful has been doing(hope he doesn't mind me posting
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/my96W/205743a04d.png[/spoiler-box]

The first one is absurdly big tbh. You don't really need all that on the
I think something like this would be better for it. The +10 or grinds isn't really needed on the weapon type page.
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/4kTmruW.png[/spoiler-box]

[Chdata]

It's useful to have the ungrinded stats and the +10 stats next to each other like Swiki does.

[Nanaha]

Do you think its possible to use numbers instead of the stars for the weapons?

Quite easily yes.


The first one is absurdly big tbh. You don't really need all that on the
I think something like this would be better for it. The +10 or grinds isn't really needed on the weapon type page.
[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/4kTmruW.png[/spoiler-box]

I do agree that it is absurdly large. It's just a sortable table for all the weapons of that type though, so I felt it was appropriate to be able to sort through all the grind levels, for reasons of comparison.

Making a separate smaller table shouldn't be hard though.

[FANSean]

Just doing Base Atk and Max Grind should be sufficient because I don't think anyone really cares about the inbetween

[Lostbob117]

Quite easily yes.



I do agree that it is absurdly large. It's just a sortable table for all the weapons of that type though, so I felt it was appropriate to be able to sort through all the grind levels, for reasons of comparison.

Making a separate smaller table shouldn't be hard though.

The thing about this tho, is that it's not like PSU having different grind rates. PSO2 has constant grind rates through all the weapons (of the same rarity). So you only need to see the base damage.

[untrustful]

It feels as if wikis for things nowadays end up being maintained by one person and depend on that person's interest in the subject.

Nowadays you see a wiki for like every anime ever made (hundreds of different wikis) but it all depends on who cares to even set one up.

Some wikis for some modding communities I go to have pages that are only maintained by like 1 guy.

Pretty much. There's a bit of a technological hurdle because editing wiki pages requires a bit of knowledge with html and how mediawiki code works (which I just google for and goof off in a wiki page until I get it right). Wikis are primarily driven by interest, and time, but if you have some friends, you can call them on to the task periodically like having them do a page a week or something small like that.

[untrustful]

and yeah it's less trouble to just show grind values at +0 and +10.

[Nanaha]

-Goes to extremes working on a grind value calculator so that values +1 through +10 are calculated-


I'll get to that minimalist table....later. Probably.

[FANSean]

Honestly the hardest part is just getting it up to date with today's content, after that new stuff only comes out twice a month typically. The hardest part would be all the weapons since you need the gear to drop first but it's not impossible for a small team to keep up with it, though you might need to pull info from swiki as well

[Achelousaurus]

A new English wiki sounds pointless.
We got swiki and the majority opf stuff to look up are number or charts that don't need translation and the rest is often not hard to get just with google.

While a full English wiki only slightly behind the jp swiki would be nice, it's a huge effort to keep it as up to date as swiki and I really doubt that it's gonna keep up consistently.

Between cirno's old but mostly correct info and asking for specific things on the forum, you don't need to know any Japanese to get almost all info you want pretty easily.

One thing that sounds like a good idea though is place to collect this info.
For example Z-0 posted spreadsheets about TD party composition or Walkure posted melee dps/timing/etc sheets a while ago.

Collecting these is not nearly as much work as a full wiki, but the gap of what info isn't that easy to find normally.

[Chdata]

It's as useful as however far it goes.

If it removes the hassle of waiting for pages to translate and trying to figure out poor translations, then it's useful.

Until that point...!

I prefer Cirnopedia for what it has because you can just ctrl+f things and find it instantly instead of squinting at loose translations.

[untrustful]

Here is an example template that I think is finished:

{{Weapon
|Image=
|Rare=
|Desc=
|Weapon=
|Class=
|Req=
|SATK=
|RATK=
|TATK=
|S10=
|R10=
|T10=
|Prop=
|PotName=
|Pot1=
|Pot2=
|Pot3=
|Info=
}}

Basically, if you were looking to help out at the wiki, you would type the name of the page of a weapon you plan to add, then edit the page with this template that you fill out on the page.

So if you wanted to add Lambda Aristin to the database, you'd type for example WIKIURL.com/wiki/Lambda_Aristin, click edit, and then paste this thing and fill it out.

[Nanaha]

Here is an example template that I think is finished:

{{Weapon
|Image=
|Rare=
|Desc=
|Weapon=
|Class=
|Req=
|SATK=
|RATK=
|TATK=
|S10=
|R10=
|T10=
|Prop=
|PotName=
|Pot1=
|Pot2=
|Pot3=
|Info=
}}

Basically, if you were looking to help out at the wiki, you would type the name of the page of a weapon you plan to add, then edit the page with this template that you fill out on the page.

So if you wanted to add Lambda Aristin to the database, you'd type for example WIKIURL.com/wiki/Lambda_Aristin, click edit, and then paste this thing and fill it out.

{{Weapon
|Image=[[File:Dissidia-UltimaWeapon.png|options|caption]]
|Rare={{:1Star}}
|Desc=The Ultimate Weapon in an old game.
|Weapon=[[:Category:Swords|<span style="color:yellow;">Sword</span>]]
|Class=[[File:HuIcon.png|link=Hunter]] [[File:FoIcon.png|link=Force]] [[File:BoIcon.png|link=Bouncer]]
|Req=DEX: 200
|SATK=400
|RATK=0
|TATK=0
|Prop= Ability III}}

Probably should have stuck on the example code also. For everyone else, you can check out the template that untrustful made here for more information.
http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Template:Weapon

[Totori]

For adding images, is there something I'm not seeing?

[untrustful]

Oh, adding images is a separate process.

http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Special:Upload

[Nanaha]

For adding images, is there something I'm not seeing?


Oh, adding images is a separate process.

http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Special:Upload


Of note is, be careful about what you add. It might already be uploaded. Like where I had 2 Gunner mini pics, one named GuIcon.png(original), then a second Gunner.png.

Also is there some other issue?

[untrustful]

Make sure to rename the file something convenient when uploading images. Nobody wants to type 1starswordforpso2segaofjp2000x2000res.jpg

[Totori]

Mm, got it~

[lostinseganet]

Not like I'm building one in secret scrounging up information from Cirno or something.
*cough*

ie How would you feel about an open wiki where registered users can edit pages and update information?

--This may or may not affect my decision on allowing public edits on the wiki I'm definitely not building.I think you should work with this site to build a info center. If you go on the front page of this site you will see info for all the other Phasntasy star games.

[Nanaha]

I think you should work with this site to build a info center. If you go on the front page of this site you will see info for all the other Phasntasy star games.

Seeing how in all the time pso2 has been up, this site hasn't made a database for it, I'm sure they have some reason of their own for not doing so.
(Well probably)


I finished up the SimpleWeaponList, will probably work on making it easier to understand for new users.
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/myB0K/1502a1e323.png[/spoiler-box]

[Totori]

PSO-W has been slacking on info sadly.

[untrustful]

Maybe they had a guy in charge of that but he went awol.

[Lostbob117]

Problem with Untrustful's weapon template: There are weapons with more than 1 potential. Will that be fine if you need to add more?

[Nanaha]

I'm thinking of making a separate template for potential then taking it off template:weapon. However if untrustful figures out something different though, it should be fine.

[untrustful]

Problem with Untrustful's weapon template: There are weapons with more than 1 potential. Will that be fine if you need to add more?

Yeah that is a bit of an issue. For now, have the potentials separate by a horizontal line or line break. I knew I was missing something.

[untrustful]

Ok so this is what I came up with for multiple potentials:
http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/DemoWeapon

Does this look confusing? If so I can eliminate the potential level fields and just have potentials listed per weapon.

[Nanaha]

So before I just start grabbing the wiki urls and pasting them and probably making someone at google really mad, anyone have a bright idea on how to promote the google search priority of the site?

[untrustful]

I'm not even sure if shoutwiki allows google to search for wikis within it.

[Lostbob117]

I'm been playing with somethings. Here is how I think the weapon type page should look.

All weapons on one page, but you're able to flip through the page easily with the anchors set up. "Back to Top" button puts you back to top, of course.
http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/User:Lostbob117

idk if you guys want to use it.

[Lostbob117]

I'm not even sure if shoutwiki allows google to search for wikis within it.

I was able to find the wiki through google search.

[untrustful]

I'm leaving yall to the weapon lists, I'm more focused on individual page templates.

But, looks nice. I like that the rows are separated by what type of damage those weapons deal.

[untrustful]

I've also color coded the potentials so it's easier to differentiate them from each other.

http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/DemoWeapon

If a weapon has 3 potentials, we can it color it white if it's not a hidden potential.

[Totori]

I have to say, green might work better than red. But it's still lovely, and not confusing for that piece~

[untrustful]

I'll give green a try and see how it looks.

[untrustful]

How does it look?
http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/DemoWeapon

[Nanaha]

Including a spot for SEA and Taiwan names would be nice, too. I've actually been passively working on something kind of like this just for flavor text. I'd like to be able to help out with filling out that kind of thing, if you'd like to include spots for it.

I'd also be interested in pages for quest scripts and such. Of course, all this stuff is just extra fluff that people could fill in as they wished.

This is the flavor text archive I'd been working on. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dnWToYFCdHi0F3pOBaW6hNvns51sJwk6n13o22ExKtU/edit?usp=sharing) Please take a quick look through each of the linked pages (aside from the JP wiki sources and such, which were just for me to copy stuff from). I'd like for there to be places to put all of this, for people who care contribute to such details. Spots for original JP, English patch, SEA, and Taiwan (SEA and Taiwan ARE separate) names/dialogue/etc. would be very, very much appreciated. For quick reference, here are the weapon sheets. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NIzxD8p_EZ83ae_d7u7rOCp97Phrml2N1tDf0uWPNQU/edit?usp=sharing)

Regarding possible vandalism, I think opening it to registered users only (with completely open registrations) would be fine after the structure of everything is set, and then banning case-by-case anyone that seems to be vandalizing.

It looks like a very useful resource. Lemme throw a link on main page for new editors to reference it.

There certainly will be places to put flavor text and all those miscellaneous details that many people miss. Whether itll have the SEA and Taiwan information, I guess would be up dedicated contributors. The amount of players who frequent pso2 are on the jp server, so english-->jp is our biggest priorities.

[Lostbob117]

How does it look?
http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/DemoWeapon

Should try more plaid colors on it. Here, I changed the color a bit to work better with it.

[Nanaha]

Looking at this sheet reminds me that I need to eventually make a page with tickets....


-drowns in tickets-

Also that a page for voice sound clips will be needed. One of my early frustrations was having to watch youtube videos for voices.

[Nanaha]

If only there was someone who really liked to write. I wish I could get those race and classes pages out of the way, but I'd just fill it with lots of charts. Need all that lore and details that people don't even really know.

[Chdata]

I like to fill up data but I'd have to wait and see what direction this wiki is going in.

And whether or not I'd like to spend freetime on it considering my job and community.

[Lostbob117]

If only there was someone who really liked to write. I wish I could get those race and classes pages out of the way, but I'd just fill it with lots of charts. Need all that lore and details that people don't even really know.

I went ahead and typed something up. There really isn't much to say about them tbh.

[Totori]

How should I link or add the set effects for weapons?

[untrustful]

The same way as Properties. You simply list the benefits. This page should help:
http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Arm_DemoUnit

[Nanaha]

*Edit: In hindsight I should have told you guys about abbreviation before all those properties.


I like to fill up data but I'd have to wait and see what direction this wiki is going in.

And whether or not I'd like to spend freetime on it considering my job and community.

We'd love the company if you join us.

I went ahead and typed something up. There really isn't much to say about them tbh.

We can always just wait until that one person who knows the entire history or etc of a race shows up. The race/classes page are more lenient on the quality of information since we honestly don't know too much(lore-wise).


How should I link or add the set effects for weapons?
The picture for Set effect small is already uploaded [[File:Set Effect.png]] so no problem there. I would put it under Properties. You might be able to use the abbreviation template there, not sure.

Properties of Ideal Edge are abbreviated on the Swords List page.
http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Swords_List

This is what it looks like in the code though.

<!--Properties-->|[[Image:Light element small.png]] 20 <br>
[[Image:Ability.png]] {{abbr|Vinculum|S-Atk +20 R-Atk +20T-Atk +20 }} <br>
[[Image:Ability.png]] {{abbr|Stamina III|HP +40}} <br>
[[Image:Ability.png]] {{abbr|Spirita III|PP +4}} <br>
[[Image:Potential.png]] {{abbr|Colossal Spirit|Lv.1 Damage against bosses boosted by 10% Lv.2 Damage against bosses boosted by 14% Lv.3 Damage against bosses boosted by 18%}}


On a side note, the DataPhotonArt template is done. Any determined person could fill out all the Photon Arts now if they wanted to.

[untrustful]

I should add that not all set bonuses are the same, as sometimes you only need 2 units to get a set bonus, and some sets don't get weapon bonuses, and sometimes weapons only need to be paired with one unit. Examples:

3 Unit Set: List 3 units. List Set Bonus under the UBonus input.
2 Unit Set: List 2 units. List Set Bonus under the UBonus input.
1 Unit and One Weapon Set: List Set Bonus under the WBonus input.
3 Unit Set and Weapon(s) Set: List bonuses under both the UBonus input and WBonus input.

The Template:Unit page also has instructions.
http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Template:Unit

The properties field should be restricted for individual "hidden" unit stats.

[Chdata]

pso2pedia ftw

[starwhisper]

Do we really need a column for each grind step for every weapon? I think a column for +0 and an other for +10 are enough. However the properties, description and maybe obtain list could use more space because there is a lot of information there for some weapons/units.

[Nanaha]

pso2pedia ftw

Yay for determination.
http://puu.sh/myO18/b980d24dd0.png



We might have made more progress than them. Probably.


Do we really need a column for each grind step for every weapon? I think a column for +0 and an other for +10 are enough. However the properties, description and maybe obtain list could use more space because there is a lot of information there for some weapons/units.

Have you read through all of the thread? I eventually came up with this:
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/myB0K/1502a1e323.png[/spoiler-box]

which I think was more agreeable for most people. I just like having a full table for comparison reasons.

[untrustful]

Do we really need a column for each grind step for every weapon? I think a column for +0 and an other for +10 are enough. However the properties, description and maybe obtain list could use more space because there is a lot of information there for some weapons/units.

For the purposes of a weapon list it's fine, all pertinent information would be listed in individual weapon pages.

[starwhisper]

Have you read through all of the thread? I eventually came up with this:
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/myB0K/1502a1e323.png[/spoiler-box]

which I think was more agreeable for most people. I just like having a full table for comparison reasons.

Obviously not lol, I like this layout, good job.

[untrustful]

This is what it looks like in the code though.

<!--Properties-->|[[Image:Light element small.png]] 20 <br>
[[Image:Ability.png]] {{abbr|Vinculum|S-Atk +20 R-Atk +20T-Atk +20 }} <br>
[[Image:Ability.png]] {{abbr|Stamina III|HP +40}} <br>
[[Image:Ability.png]] {{abbr|Spirita III|PP +4}} <br>
[[Image:Potential.png]] {{abbr|Colossal Spirit|Lv.1 Damage against bosses boosted by 10% Lv.2 Damage against bosses boosted by 14% Lv.3 Damage against bosses boosted by 18%}}

I'll have to keep a note of this for the weapon and unit page example templates tomorrow-err later in the morning.

[Lostbob117]

you should look into making the sidebar collapsible.

[Endler]

If only there was someone who really liked to write. I wish I could get those race and classes pages out of the way, but I'd just fill it with lots of charts. Need all that lore and details that people don't even really know.

The only lore you need to know is that CASTs are the supreme race and all other races are dirty peasants made to service your CAST masters.

[NoobSpectre]

The only lore you need to know is that CASTs are the supreme race and all other races are dirty peasants made to service your CAST masters.

Firstly, this is not Gurhal System.

Second, even if this is true, then CAST is a close to extinct proud race.

[Nanaha]

you should look into making the sidebar collapsible.
I did start thinking the bar was rather long. I'll look into it.


I know it's only tests right now, but could the final url also please start with "pso2"?

I would probably have to send in a ticket to my host provider for them to change the name. In all honesty however, I'd like to avoid interacting with the host as much as possible. Mostly just me being uncomfortable asking for things.

[Selphea]

I'm OK with some creative license in the final name TBH. The Street Fighter community hub is named Shoryuken.com, after a Street Fighter move. The Guilty Gear hub is named Dustloop.com after a Guilty Gear combo. The biggest Elder Scrolls Online fansite is called Tamriel Foundry after a continent in the game world.

As long as the theme is distinctly PSO2, I'm happy with whatever name and yes Cirno is more reminiscent of Touhou than PSO2.

[Nanaha]

you should look into making the sidebar collapsible.

On second thought, it seems to be a great hassle. Haven't yet found an acceptable template for shoutwiki, so in the meantime the best I can do is reorganize it so that more clicked categories are higher on list(more easily accessible).


But not by coding. I need actual people input. What should I move around/take off from this?
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/myQnM/d5b9064f13.png[/spoiler-box]


If I do figure out a way to collapse the list, the new order will still be relevant anyway.

[KLMS1]

Random note: would't "Enemies" more logically go in the "Missions" category?

[Nanaha]

[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/myRrT/56b1d5e9a2.png[/spoiler-box]

This is what I've got now.



On a side note, Totori is really diligent about adding in weapons, or really likes Bullet Bows.

[Sirius-91]

On second thought, it seems to be a great hassle. Haven't yet found an acceptable template for shoutwiki, so in the meantime the best I can do is reorganize it so that more clicked categories are higher on list(more easily accessible).


But not by coding. I need actual people input. What should I move around/take off from this?
[spoiler-box]http://puu.sh/myQnM/d5b9064f13.png[/spoiler-box]


If I do figure out a way to collapse the list, the new order will still be relevant anyway.

Should add a Glossary for game terms as well, if you don't already have that.

[Lostbob117]

Here is how I think you should do the sidebar then. Moving around things, and just putting all the items in one section. Same with Client Orders. Also, removing Affixes from the Crafting tab. It belongs in the Equipment Lab
[spoiler-box]

* navigation
** mainpage|mainpage-description
** http://www.pso-world.com/|Pso-World
** recentchanges-url|recentchanges
** randompage-url|randompage
**Category:Data|Data
** helppage|help

*Equipment
**Category:Weapons|Weapons
**Category:Equipment|Units
**Category:Photon Arts|Photon Arts
**Category:Techniques|Techniques
**Category:Costumes|Costumes
**Category:Items|Items

*Crafting
**Category:CraftingItems|Crafting Items
**Category:TechniqueCrafts|Technique Crafts
**Category:TimedAbilities|Timed Abilities
**Category:Desynthesis|Desynthesis
**Category:Achievements|Achievements

*Player
**Category:Character|Character
**Category:Mags|Mags
**Titles|Titles

*Shops
**EquipmentLab|Equipment Lab
**Casino|Casino
**Category:ShopArea|Shop Area

*Missions
**Category:Quests|Quests
**Category:Enemies|Enemies
**Partners|Partners
**Category:Matterboard|Matterboard
**Category:ClientOrders|Client Orders
**ArksRoad|Arks Road


*EN Resources
**http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207248|Tweaker
**http://arks-layer.com/index.php|Arks-Layer
**http://psumods.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=206|English Patch
**http://pso2-skill.pwnedgalaxy.net/index.html|Skill Simulator
**http://srpgp.supersanctuary.net/dudu/|Affix Simulator
**http://4rt.info/psod/|Damage Calculator
[/spoiler-box]

[Nanaha]

Here is how I think you should do the sidebar then. Moving around things, and just putting all the items in one section. Same with Client Orders. Also, removing Affixes from the Crafting tab. It belongs in the Equipment Lab
[spoiler-box]

* navigation
** mainpage|mainpage-description
** http://www.pso-world.com/|Pso-World
** recentchanges-url|recentchanges
** randompage-url|randompage
**Category:Data|Data
** helppage|help

*Equipment
**Category:Weapons|Weapons
**Category:Equipment|Units
**Category:Photon Arts|Photon Arts
**Category:Techniques|Techniques
**Category:Costumes|Costumes
**Category:Items|Items

*Crafting
**Category:CraftingItems|Crafting Items
**Category:TechniqueCrafts|Technique Crafts
**Category:TimedAbilities|Timed Abilities
**Category:Desynthesis|Desynthesis
**Category:Achievements|Achievements

*Player
**Category:Character|Character
**Category:Mags|Mags
**Titles|Titles

*Shops
**EquipmentLab|Equipment Lab
**Casino|Casino
**Category:ShopArea|Shop Area

*Missions
**Category:Quests|Quests
**Category:Enemies|Enemies
**Partners|Partners
**Category:Matterboard|Matterboard
**Category:ClientOrders|Client Orders
**ArksRoad|Arks Road


*EN Resources
**http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207248|Tweaker
**http://arks-layer.com/index.php|Arks-Layer
**http://psumods.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=206|English Patch
**http://pso2-skill.pwnedgalaxy.net/index.html|Skill Simulator
**http://srpgp.supersanctuary.net/dudu/|Affix Simulator
**http://4rt.info/psod/|Damage Calculator
[/spoiler-box]

Hopefully all the changes went through. Had a webpage timeout on me while I was submitting edits.

[Nanaha]

I had the realization that I could throw the code for the simple weapon list straight into individual weapon pages using include and noinclude tags, then calling the page in the listing causes it to display the same as its data counterpart.



This means that we can rebuild all the individual weapons we've made so far, or we can stick with what we have and just make data pages that apply only for the weapon lists.

*regardless, the complete weaponlist is unaffected by this. It has its own data pages(although most of the contents are the simple data pages + other details

[untrustful]

I'll leave that up to you.

[Lostbob117]

imo, the properties on the weapon list makes it really tall. Should just leave that stuff in the weapon page OR only have the potentials and not affixes. Description also isn't really needed.

[Nanaha]

Drastic rebuilding begins.


I'll get to editing the Template:Weapon with the new include tags at some point, I've also figured out a way to output Abilites/Potentials using a template(although itll take me some time to fill).
*like a good few hours

it should be able to be used like so:
<code>
{{props|AbilityPotHere}}
</code>

Then an abbreviated(mouse over) should be created.

[wefwq]

For weapon, does it's flavour text really that important?
It makes the table cluttered and serve no purpose whatsoever.

[Naoya Kiriyama]

I'm OK with some creative license in the final name TBH. The Street Fighter community hub is named Shoryuken.com, after a Street Fighter move. The Guilty Gear hub is named Dustloop.com after a Guilty Gear combo. The biggest Elder Scrolls Online fansite is called Tamriel Foundry after a continent in the game world.

As long as the theme is distinctly PSO2, I'm happy with whatever name and yes Cirno is more reminiscent of Touhou than PSO2.

Arkspedia (If I'm allowed to throw suggestions .3.)

[Totori]

For weapon, does it's flavour text really that important?
It makes the table cluttered and serve no purpose whatsoever.

In my opinion, honestly no just put the Japanese name in that place, to make it easier to find. Flavor text for what classes and maybe more about the lore is nice, but as for the database, since we don't really have a description, just better to leave it blank or JP name.

[Nanaha]

If we're talking about the sorting tables, the description has been removed since yesterday.
http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Category:Weapons
*The lists still aren't built as of yet though


As for the individual pages, I would prefer if there was flavor text just to give it a more complete background. It is however a secondary priority as adding of the weapons should come first.





Also how to get google to stop auto-correcting nanapedia to cirnopedia is an issue.

[untrustful]

I might be out of my league there so I'll just keep trying to make basic templates as an outline I guess.

[Nanaha]

I might be out of my league there so I'll just keep trying to make basic templates as an outline I guess.

I'd say the real backbone of the wiki are those people who enter all the information. But it's just as important, if not more so that we get templates out to them so they can fill in all that information.

Personally I think costumes and item templates should be up next.

[Lostbob117]

I hope you don't mind me changing the style of the weapon list a tid bit. Forgot to press "minor edit" alot too. Woops.

[NoobSpectre]

I think the current table shown on the Sword page (http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Sword) looks fine, aside from the name field. Separate it into different cells vertically or horizontally. (And preferably with fields for SEA and Taiwan as well) This would make it easier to copy the name, especially when the original JP name includes latin letters on the end.
Could also add a few more cells to the description section on the bottom for patch, JP, SEA and Taiwan.
It's better to have blank spots than not have a place to put something.


You do realized that people will start ranting about "Hey why play TW and SEA, those are trash go play JPN." issues. But if this plan is implemented, please by all means inform us so that TW and SEA players might join in for the edit.

[wefwq]

You do realized that people will start ranting about "Hey why play TW and SEA, those are trash go play JPN." issues. But if this plan is implemented, please by all means inform us so that TW and SEA players might join in for the edit.
I think it can't be done since both version might have altered stat or other attributes as well as different potential and potential effects.

[Nanaha]

I think the current table shown on the Sword page (http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Sword) looks fine, aside from the name field. Separate it into different cells vertically or horizontally. (And preferably with fields for SEA and Taiwan as well) This would make it easier to copy the name, especially when the original JP name includes latin letters on the end.
Could also add a few more cells to the description section on the bottom for patch, JP, SEA and Taiwan.
It's better to have blank spots than not have a place to put something.

Oh, there should also be a spot for set bonuses. Even if it doesn't include all the data about that item's set bonus, it could link to a section on another page that deals entirely with set bonuses, similar to cirno.

My issue with the name separation is that we would have to rework the template. It may be(and is probably) possible to change it so we dont have to rework all the pages associated, but minor edits would have to be made for all the pages made so far(which is about 80 bullet bows from Totori and 20 various twin machine guns from various users). It's a minor issue copying names for users, but it's alot more effort on our end since everything has to be shifted.
*Adding in a line break is probably the best idea


I haven't gotten to Set units yet, but it should work very similar to how ive coded abilities or potentials(work in progress), so far.
Here's an example: http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Swords_List
*Check out Ideal Edge

[Nanaha]

I think it can't be done since both version might have altered stat or other attributes as well as different potential and potential effects.

If the items are the same(I don't really see why not unless Sea/Tw is being paranoid) then there shouldn't be an issue. Creating separate weapon pages for differences in stats and properties is definitely something else though.

It might be made to work, but once again, I have to iterate that Sea/Tw will have to take care of it on their own initiative.

[NoobSpectre]

If the items are the same(I don't really see why not unless Sea/Tw is being paranoid) then there shouldn't be an issue. Creating separate weapon pages for differences in stats and properties is definitely something else though.

It might be made to work, but once again, I have to iterate that Sea/Tw will have to take care of it on their own initiative.

Basically from what I see the potential is the same (not that they chged 10* and 11* potential over the years right?). The main thing is the photon booster potential and some other weapons such as lawnchairs flame visit (does not have potential that boost flame bullet yet) The stats and such are same.

[Totori]

It's more work, if you guys are willing to do the edits for that. I have no problemo with it, but my priority is only going to be to cover the JP stats down. That's already a massive load seeing as we pretty much have nothing there, with all the updates that already hit.

[Synfull]

I cant see any of the links in here :( no permissions

[untrustful]

I cant see any of the links in here :( no permissions

Go to shoutwiki website and search for nanapedia

[Zeroem]

Too bad I'm more versed in wikia. But I guess i could learn all over again.

As for SEA/TW items.......hmmm, how about adding tabs on the individual weapon/unit pages? For the most part, the differences between SEA, TW, and JP items are only in the names and potentials....I think.

Gonna make one tab prototype for now.
*edit* It did not worked as I expected. So much for that idea.
*edit2* Apparently I was missing a step for that. Gonna think for another means.
*edit3* i still can't make sense about creating the weapon list, so I'll stick to adding pages for now

[electrolytes]

I did a bit of work today using regex to speed up migration of data from Cirnopedia. I'm strongly considering moving the simple weapon data from individual templates to each weapon type's list. It means I can finish importing a list in a few minutes without having to create and fill in a hundred template pages, and also means that any future style/batch edits to these lists will only require ~20 pages to work on, rather than thousands. Additionally, it makes reaching and editing the data much more accessible (doesn't require trickly navigation to template pages). It's also the way the JP wiki appears to be structured.

Any objections to this? I'm still fine with weapons having their own pages with more detailed info, it's just that having these lists made out of templates seems unnecessarily difficult to work with.

[Nanaha]

I did a bit of work today using regex to speed up migration of data from Cirnopedia. I'm strongly considering moving the simple weapon data from individual templates to each weapon type's list. It means I can finish importing a list in a few minutes without having to create and fill in a hundred template pages, and also means that any future style/batch edits to these lists will only require ~20 pages to work on, rather than thousands. Additionally, it makes reaching and editing the data much more accessible (doesn't require trickly navigation to template pages). It's also the way the JP wiki appears to be structured.

Any objections to this? I'm still fine with weapons having their own pages with more detailed info, it's just that having a list made out of templates seems unnecessarily difficult to work with.

I mostly didn't expect anyone to actually go out and grab the data all in one go, then import it in, hence the templates for each so it's easier to add in one by one. But if you can do it all at once thats fine too.

[Zeroem]

Well, I noticed that Nanaha's inputting the missing step that I did not do yesterday. And then after doodling around on test page, I immediately realized 1 huge flaw with the tab suggestion yesterday.

So....apparently the tab format did not looked as I imagined. The tab 'grow' downward, instead of 'growing' to the side. So, that would increase the page size (and the number of scrolling) by a rather big amount if it was implemented. And it would be frustrating for the visitors. With that idea out of the table, I tried building a table to the way I was thinking about yesterday. And the result was.....not too shabby. You can check it here here (http://nanapedia-pso2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/User:Zero/TabPlayground) (it's located at the bottom. The upper one was put for research purposes.). I won't say that this table was perfect though. Actually, it was far from it. This table I was building has 2 glaring problems: One, placing the pictures would be a little tricky; and two, the potential tab are way inferior compared to format nanapedia was using atm.

So, that's that......I guess. I'll leave it to you guys who are more experienced in shoutwiki about this matter. Other than that, I'll keep adding the weapon pages while keeping my eye on the tab template.

[Kichi]

I did a bit of work today using regex to speed up migration of data from Cirnopedia. I'm strongly considering moving the simple weapon data from individual templates to each weapon type's list. It means I can finish importing a list in a few minutes without having to create and fill in a hundred template pages, and also means that any future style/batch edits to these lists will only require ~20 pages to work on, rather than thousands. Additionally, it makes reaching and editing the data much more accessible (doesn't require trickly navigation to template pages). It's also the way the JP wiki appears to be structured.

Any objections to this? I'm still fine with weapons having their own pages with more detailed info, it's just that having these lists made out of templates seems unnecessarily difficult to work with.

Continuing our conversation from the Wiki page, this is great for Data Migration by grabbing Cirnopedia's info or another wiki's info directly, but a nightmare to edit. The way I think would be best is is if we, rather than using Templates, could pull the data directly from a weapon's individual page. I agree having the template be what influences both the weapons page and the list locations is a bit cumbersome, especially since you have to find the template page when that's not listed anywhere specifically, and not the optimal solution, but I feel like this is much more error and typo prone.

Then again, I have not really worked with Wikis before, so I suppose I'm not the best judge. Nonetheless, I feel like this method is forcing input redundancy where it really could be avoided.

[Nanaha]

Continuing our conversation from the Wiki page, this is great for Data Migration by grabbing Cirnopedia's info or another wiki's info directly, but a nightmare to edit. The way I think would be best is is if we, rather than using Templates, could pull the data directly from a weapon's individual page. I agree having the template be what influences both the weapons page and the list locations is a bit cumbersome, especially since you have to find the template page when that's not listed anywhere specifically, and not the optimal solution, but I feel like this is much more error and typo prone.

Then again, I have not really worked with Wikis before, so I suppose I'm not the best judge. Nonetheless, I feel like this method is forcing input redundancy where it really could be avoided.

It would have been lovely to pull the information from the individual page. But with the way the weapon listings work, I basically am just shoving what was in the list(or the data file) into the individual page to be called from.

*lemme go scrawl something in paint
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* in essence, our problem is being unable to take the information directly from the individual page because it's already inside a template. We'd have to stick a template inside ANOTHER template in order for it to work, which when I attempted it, frankly didn't work.

[Kichi]

So if I'm getting this right, the "data page" is the old template idea (Template:SimpleDataWeaponName), the Individual page is what you get when you go to that weapon's wiki page on it's own (like /wiki/Kagudachi), but that makes me confused as to what the Combo page is...

Either way, interesting. And I assume there's no method yet for making it so that say, when you edit a specific weapon's page, it edits the base data, it has to edit that page directly, meaning we can't have the "Data Page" be directly sending data to both the "Individual Page" and the "listing" without making it hard to access the data that needs to be on the "Data page." Is that an accurate reading?

[Nanaha]

The combo page is just slapping some include/noinclude tags inside an individual page and adding the data page to it.

It's exactly like copy pasting the data page contents into individual, then adding fixes to it to make it work. We never used the combo page idea though.


I think I get what you're saying, but not sure. The individual page uses a weapon template made by untrustful. However, because the information is already inside said template, we can't use the info inside for something else,(ie the data page/listings)

[Kichi]

Basically, I was saying there's no way to go to "/wiki/Kagudachi", and when you click edit there, editing stuff like attack values will appropriately change the data of "/wiki/Template:SimpleDataKagudachi", and that alone makes using such templates less than idea cause it's making the information that would need to be edited harder to get to.

Basically, I think I get the problem, and it's kind of silly there isn't a way to do this yet, but I see why we're doing it the way we are now.