12/14 SG Scratch V2: Bride Dark Heroine

[sparab]

http://i.imgur.com/TxTQaHa.png


http://pso2.jp/players/catalog/scratch/sg/20161214/

Revealing the new SG Scratch [Bride Bright Dark Heroine]!
Put yourself in these Matoi, Loser, Double, and naked Sion goods and other reminiscence of good old days.

* Some decimals are cut off from display so they won't add up to exact 100%
* You can't get SG from wearing SG costumes
* SG scratch items cannot be traded or listed in shop
* 46% to get a booster or 120CC with 400AC equivalent
* You can trade old SG recycle badge for the new lineup.
* Matoi layerwear can be obtained from recycle shop
* Naked Matoi suit cannot be obtained from recycle shop

[Xaeris]

>80 star gems per try.
>Putting garbage like Exp tickets in the pool.

Seriously.

[Superia]

rekt.

Edit: It's worse than I initially realized. To get a particular costume, you'd need to try the scratch around ~100 times to have an 80% chance of pulling it at least once, and the EX boosters and 120 coins make up more than 40% of the total item weight. None of the crap you don't want (e.g. most of it) is even sellable. OP

[Tari]

Sega, you had one job, and you failed.
Why am I not surprised.

[Zorua]

I haven't been able to play this game for like 2 months because I'm frustrated with EP4, and every damn time I work myself up and I'm like "Ya know, maybe I'll have fun this time!" some bullshit like this happens. We've been waiting for Falz outfits since EP1, and when we finally get them, they come from a dumb scratch locked behind some mobile gaming-tier currency, a trade lock, and a wall of filler items. There's no reason for all these boosters and music discs to be wasting space, and why the hell are there so many shitty color variants in there too? They were right about EP4 being a rebirth for this game. It's been reborn as some crappy Korean Nexon MMO.

[Selphea]

What's in the new add special ability boosters/affixes? And do the EX boosters stack with normal boosters? Sounds like 13* in 3 boats outside boost week might be possible.

[sparab]

From 2ch, so don't count on these to be authentic
The boosters has less than 1% scratch rate and of course cannot be traded

[SPOILER-BOX]オフェンス・ブースト　打撃+15　射撃+15　法撃+15　技量+25　PP+1
ディフェンス・ブースト　打防+25　射防+25　法防+25　HP+55　PP+1
アタックレセプター　特殊能力パワー、シュート、テクニック、アームの合成成功率が大きく上昇 　全+5
ガードレセプター　特殊能力ボディ、リアクト、マインドの合成成功率が大きく上昇　全+5
フォトンレセプター　特殊能力スタミナ、スピリタの合成成功率が大きく上昇　全+5 [/SPOILER-BOX]

[final_attack]

What's in the new add special ability boosters/affixes? And do the EX boosters stack with normal boosters? Sounds like 13* in 3 boats outside boost week might be possible.

Here (https://twitter.com/moku0226/status/742949025415102464)?
Offense Boost : +15 All-Attack, +25 Dex, +1PP
Defense Boost : +25 All-Def, +55 HP, +1 PP
Attack Receptor : Greatly(?) Increase chance of Power/Shoot/Tech/Arm, +5 All
Guard Receptor : Greatly(?) Increase chance of Body/React/Mind, +5 All
Photon Receptor : Greatly(?) Increase chance of Stamina/Spirita, +5 All

[Selphea]

=.= who in their right mind would use Offense/Defense Boost over Noble or even vanilla. 15 ATK really?

If it was 20 all ATK and 4 PP I'd consider it for Gunslash or Br units at least.

[Superia]

It's been reborn as some crappy Korean Nexon MMO.

That's the word I was looking for. "Nexown'd"

[noobcombo]

I was interested in the scuffed up face paint. I feel I'd resemble that by the end of possibly obtaining it. It will last for six months... At least?

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/Yr0IKsA.gif[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Selphea]

Screw Nexon D:

If they're itching for $$$ I wouldn't mind if they did it Western MMO style and released story DLCs or something.

[NightmareDust]

I see crap like this and think "SEGA, why do you even try?"
I mean Star Gems seemed to be a great alternative to give Free Gamers a chance at some nice Scratch stuff without spending millions of Meseta, as well as giving them an incentive to buy AC. Instead they made the SG Gain Rate so low that without spending AC its more or less impossible to get an okay amount (compared to what you need for the scratch). So why put in Star Gems when you force people to buy AC anyways?

EDIT: I was actually looking forward to the Scratch and wanted to put some AC into it but with both these rates AND that ridiculous Star Gems cost SEGA just lost another possible monthly AC buyer.

[sparab]

So why put in Star Gems when you force people to buy AC anyways?

Because sega wants EVERY player scratch non-tradeable items instead of camping shops. And this is just their first step...oh wait, we have already got scratch bonus!

[isCasted]

So... Can this be a viable alternative for AC scratchers, at least? Free players are absolutely out, but they ought to make money from someone, right?

These things are untradeable too... Yeah, maybe this is a biggest EP4 fail so far (and that's saying something).

[yoshiblue]

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[Shadowstarkirby]

I was genuinely thinking about buying into this scratch cause I wanted an Apprentice outfit forever sooo badly, but after seeing the chance of myself getting the costume, hair, accessory, AND emblem when it's filled with so much irrelevant shit? HELL. FUCKING. NO. Fuck off, Sega.

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[Altiea]

Seems like a nice afterthought. Once again on the "I don't actively despise this" train, so maybe I'll roll, like, once. Better things to spend SG on though.

[isCasted]

You know what would be a good use for Star Gems? A shop where you could buy things from AC scratches that ended a year (or, better, a half) ago. A lot of old items simply become non-existant and never get revived, and that's a massive waste of dev effort, as well as an insult to interested players.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Don't support this garbage.

[Sayara]

Don't support this garbage.
They should have made them sets for falz suits...
Person f set, m set etc. 200 gems, 300gems whatever if you can BUY THE SET YOU WANT. This is just the worst

[Poyonche]

I am so disappointed of this.

I was like "If they showed Persona outfit for a dude and a girl in the trailer, it MIGHT be an unisex costume." (I actually didn't notice the boobs of that HUmarl wearing the costume.) But nooooope, no way, lets just make two different costumes because one person wanted boobs in her [Persona] outfit money. Oh and of course lets add super ugly color variant, woudn't be fun otherwise. Well, ok, some are viable, a white Falz could, might, be something. But that blue... :/
Maybe we will see some Power Rangers Persona in the lobby, soon. :wacko:

And again they could have put all of this in a sort of pack like they do for some layerwear or accessory.
Like this I could have got a pack of Apprentice or Persona instead of trying again and again... :(
But nope, because this was Made in SEGA by brainless people for, certainly in their opinion, brainless customers.

But how could I be a good broken salt container delivering all of its salt on a forum of Internet if I didn't mention those new boost items, uh ? I guess I don't need to as to useless "bonus" talk by themself. Maybe the one boosting Power, Shoot and Technique could be good, as well as the one increasing all stats.

I don't know if I told it but : I'm disappointed. I still want that Persona mask tho. :wacko:

[CoWorker]

i cant wait people to rage in twitter or something, like a user that only uses female characters then gets Elder costume spam and cant even earn a profit out of them...

i hope this will cause a huge outcry in the JP community so that SEGA will pull their heads out of their asses....

and you know they could just make other stuff like Tickets that have different unique running animations(like doing Ninja running where you run both your hands behind your back on normal running), different styles of normal attack pattern/animations on different weapons, or different battle stances on each weapon

[TaigaUC]

I laughed at the miserable listings. There's so much stuff on there that people really do not want.
Good luck getting your desired color of an outfit for your character's gender. 1% chance! Woohoo!

Assuming you have decent luck, that's still 100 tries = 100x80 Star Gems = 8000 Star Gems.
How much real money is it for 1 Star Gem? I personally don't care, not interested in paying.

Remember when I said Star Gems were going to get worse? And people kept arguing with me?
Yeah.

And this is still just the beginning. SEGA is just getting started.

[Superia]

I honestly do not know why I did not expect this. The horrific pull-rate. The shitty red and blue recolors of things that no one wants. Random, unsellable boosts/coins that are obtained at nearly 30 times the rate of any of the items people are actually attempting to get. And unlike the regular scratch, anything that you pull that does not directly benefit you is 100% useless? Like, what!?


i cant wait people to rage in twitter or something, like a user that only uses female characters then gets Elder costume spam and cant even earn a profit out of them...

i hope this will cause a huge outcry in the JP community so that SEGA will pull their heads out of their asses....

We can hope, but that is not the sort of behavior I expect from SEGA.


Assuming you have decent luck, that's still 100 tries = 100x80 Star Gems = 8000 Star Gems.
How much real money is it for 1 Star Gem? I personally don't care, not interested in paying.

I do not have it in front of me, but I think it was like 9800 AC for 2800 Star Gems as their best deal, making them 3.5 AC each, or 28000 AC for an 80% chance using that unit price.

[TaigaUC]

I expected they would do this, but I'm just as boggled as everyone else as to just how disconnected SEGA is.
It's very WTF. I mean, what the hell is going through their heads, if anything at all? Are they intentionally trying to drive people away? Because it sure seems like it.
Maybe this is part of the Final Fantasy collab, as in they are collaborating to drive people to FF14.

Edit: Ahahahaha. I didn't scroll down to see the other percentages.
9% chance for garbage nobody wants. 8% chance for 120 casino coins.
So you save up or purchase Star Gems for a chance to win the rough equivalent to a single round of Black Nyack. Fabulous!

[sparab]

Maybe this is part of the Final Fantasy collab, as in they are collaborating to drive people to FF14.

PSO2 is not complete without rage, grief, and other negativity. Sega has utilized negative promotion well to keep their "core" players and attracts newbies like flies to dung.

[TaigaUC]

It's like they're testing to see how much shit people will put up with before they quit.
They've probably already made PSO3 and are just using PSO2 as an experiment for fine tuning the microtransactions.

In a few more years, PSO2 will probably be remembered as something like "the social experiment that went horribly wrong".

[TheszNuts]

I thought ppl considered PSU as the social experiment

[Vatallus]

I thought this was going to be neat. A chance to get a Falz costume. My understanding was only the costumes would be untradable. Then I look at the scratch.

A bunch of recolors of Falz costumes to delude the chances of the originals
A bunch of music CDs
A bunch of abilities
A bunch of boosters
120 CC ticket
Cosmetics
Voices

All untradable,

What is this crap? How can you screw this up that badly?

[Poyonche]

Oh and I forgot to mention something, you can either get a nice Apprentice outfit or a totally damaged one. :(

At least they didn't make the Apprentice's tie an accessory.

[Xaeris]

Don't support this garbage.

That's the sinister thing though. Even if 95% of us ignore it, if the remaining 5% spend hundreds hunting for an Apprentice outfit, Sega makes thousands for wrapping up some assets they already had lying around from Episode friggin' 1. Only a few people need to buy into this to make it a rousing success for them. At the very least, I can ignore this at no detriment to my current play experience with the game, but it's just such a wasted opportunity. Star gems had the potential to serve a useful meta purpose to the economy by raising the value of a bad scratch draw, and they squandered it for a lazy cash grab.

[TaigaUC]

I'm curious whether they'd sell more making them directly purchasable instead of this lottery nonsense.

I think the main point of the regular lottery crap is to force the revival of crap that most people who pay money aren't aiming for.
Star Gem lottery stuff isn't tradable. So what's the point of putting all that other crap on there?

By the way, I want SEGA to prove my skepticism and negativity wrong, just as much as anyone else.
C'mon SEGA, show us you aren't a bunch of greedy assholes with bad taste. Please? Hello?

[SteveCZ]

Star gems had the potential to serve a useful meta purpose to the economy by raising the value of a bad scratch draw, and they squandered it for a lazy cash grab.

I'm glad that it wouldn't affect anything in the game economy though. People can throw money on these or they don't, but either way the game stays the same.

[TaigaUC]

@SteveCZ
That's not really true. They can use the Star Gem items to affix or buy crap with Casino coins (eg. boss triggers).
Those examples, and the boosts, may lead to them getting items that they can sell off.
So it does affect the economy, although not directly.

[Superia]

C'mon SEGA, show us you aren't a bunch of greedy assholes with bad taste. Please? Hello?

There's no way this idea would have lasted more than a few minutes were this not the case. I'm not even sure if they have time to do anything about it now.

[gabor100]

Atleast the costumes are not layered wear. Can't wait for SG Scratch revival.

Well back to the wating game for making Apprentice SP. Hait/costume swap mod FTW.

[SteveCZ]

@SteveCZ
That's not really true. They can use the Star Gem items to affix or buy crap with Casino coins (eg. boss triggers).
Those examples, and the boosts, may lead to them getting items that they can sell off.
So it does affect the economy, although not directly.

Lol, yeah. Well in that case, if it leads to more stocks on some stuff, I'll be happy about it for sure. :D

[TaigaUC]

Wow. They put the Star Gem Shop in an obnoxious place. In front of the lobby seats next to the camp ship exit.
Now people who sit there to have to stare at her back or have her ruin their screenshots.

MESETA:
400k for an EXP cube.
200k for a large Varna stone.
360k for a 5 pack of 20 Fishing stamina.
20k for 1 good fishing rod.
1.6m for a silver Tokyo Key (ahahaha).

STAR GEMS:
235 SG for 2 Despair Triggers.
300 SG for a Candy Remover.
43 SG for a 3 pack of Triboost 100%.
294 SG for 2 Demise Triggers.
80 SG for 1 Intrusion Trigger.

No thanks.

[Vatallus]

So I had some SG built up from bingos and stripping costumes of their SG...

Got myself a red Elder costume. So I can just color pass change it and make it black right?

[SPOILER-BOX]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Nuclear_Knight/pso20160615_020553_000_zpsljwrowlc.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

Ahahahahahaha, no.

[TaigaUC]

@Vatallus
Of course not. What did you think this was, [insert something funny here, I couldn't think of anything]?

[Superia]

Why did they have to actually look OK? I already decided not to give in, but damn. Fucking SEGA, man.

[final_attack]

For now .... PSO2 is under Darkness Ruler, no? :wacko:
"Phantasy Star Online 2 : Rise of Darkness Ruler" ? :wacko:

I thought the amount of items in the SG pool should be little, since it's untradeable, but it's a mistake :wacko:

[Vatallus]

Yeah don't worry about, the JP are pretty upset about this scratch too.

... now I need to figure out how to make this red Elder work. I would of been fine with any color of Apprentice costume because I'm pretty sure Quna or one of my other females would of looked just fine with any of them... but as a male character this isn't exactly the same.

for me


Oh! Also I'll note the costume had the Dark Falz insignia on it. So the one in the scratch might just be for non Dark Falz costumes.

[Keilyn]

No thank you...

There is absolutely no rationale of any kind into buying into a system such like this. Mathematically, everything is against the buyer in such astronomical ways that it is almost an excuse to just give your hard earned money away. The last time something like this happened.... I took all the money I would have spent on such a system after calculating mathematically what I would need to spend and bought two B2P games and I haven't put those two games down since....

When I look at Microtransactions,
I try to compare the benefits/risks to how much it would cost to simply buying a game from Steam or some other digital provider.

A lot of games that are good are low in price and yes, while I believe that playing one game strong goes far when it comes to progressing in that game, also going in too much makes a person far too dependent on the game. When one reaches the point where all they could do is complain about every big and small thing, along with always act like they are a child to a company or an addict..... when one feels good about throwing so much away for the sake of feeling good about the high one gets from destroying everything in ones favorite game.... That is the sure sign that one is far too deep in.

This scratch sounds like desperation on both ends....
Desperation on SEGA for money
Desperation on Hard Core players to try to become unique by spending tons of money to look different in order to feel different...

[TaigaUC]

Just call yourself "Crimson Falz Vatallus" or something.
Instantly coolified. "Scarlet Falz" sounds kinda cool too.
But then localization people might assume you have some kind of infection down there.

[yoshiblue]

Dark Falz Nero
Dark Falz Rinder (from Rinzece), Riger (from Rigshrayda), Agrader (from Agrani), Alonader (from Alonagahda)
Dark Falz Mi Elder (imma micda. Spin, spin, spin, spin, spin.)

Sundowner

[TaigaUC]

Dark Falz Tabasco.
Dark Falz Sriracha.
Dark Falz Ketchup.

More fun "Treasure" Shop prices:
1 Triboost 100%, 15SG
1 Despair Trigger, 120SG

[Vatallus]

Anyway, I wouldn't suggest scratching anything past whatever free amount of SG you have. Couple teammates are willing to get 1k AC just for a couple scratches... but that sounds like a bad idea to me.

Now I can only hope they add Falz costumes to a SG recycle shop for a 1 for 1 trade with any other Falz costume, recolors included. Then I wake up and wonder what I ate to dream like this.

[Xaeris]

lol, this poor vendor couldn't even get her own counter. They just stuck her ass outside the gate like some kind of shady drug dealer.

[Superia]

Anyway, I wouldn't suggest scratching anything past whatever free amount of SG you have. Couple teammates are willing to get 1k AC just for a couple scratches... but that sounds like a bad idea to me.

Now I can only hope they add Falz costumes to a SG recycle shop for a 1 for 1 trade with any other Falz costume, recolors included. Then I wake up and wonder what I ate to dream like this.

3 tries will only whet the intent, more strongly rooting the infection. As for that second thing, I find the idea plausible, though it would more likely be 20:1 SG scratch items to SG scratch item of choice or something similar.

[Meteor Weapon]

Low rates of SG while SG stuff cost high heaven. I bet new players aren't gonna be happy either with all this crap. Whatever you do, don't pay real money to get SG directly.

[Vatallus]

Star Gems Dust.

[Superia]

lol, this poor vendor couldn't even get her own counter. They just stuck her ass outside the gate like some kind of shady drug dealer.

It shows what they think of us.

[TaigaUC]

That shady drug dealer thing and what they think of us is so true.

So... according to a comment on the JP swiki, a 3 pack of Ginnegam triggers is 17.1m meseta.
Fun times.

[Poyonche]

I don't know for english speaking countries but in France, we are used to say that people who buy things like that (Overexpensive things) are pigeons.

This is why we are now playing (or have always been playing)

Pigeon Simulator Online 2 !
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/2BWY8Xr.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Xaeris]

They're called whales, in most English speaking communities. I'm curious, what's the reasoning behind calling them pigeons in French?

[Poyonche]

I honestly don't know. Maybe it is because pigeons here appear to be pretty dumb, especially in Paris.

Or probably because they fly to every crumb of food.

Now i'm curious too, what is the reasoning behind calling them whales ? :wacko:

[Shinamori]

All I want is the music disc, but no. Sega blocked it by untradeable...

[Superia]

I honestly don't know. Maybe it is because pigeons here appear to be pretty dumb, especially in Paris.

Or probably because they fly to every crumb of food.

Now i'm curious too, what is the reasoning behind calling them whales ? :wacko:

Pigeons are inexplicably drawn towards shiny things, if I remember correctly. That coupled with their relatively low intelligence is probably related to the reason. I don't know/remember about the whales.

[Xaeris]

It's a carry over from the casino business. The people who spend the most on the slots and the games are called whales, and they get preferential treatment and perks. As for why they call them whales...uh...I dunno, actually.

[hoangsea]

i got this
特殊能力追加（攻撃継承） ║ Ability Affixer (Attack Transfer)

what can it do ? :-?

[TaigaUC]

Transfers your money to SEGA's pockets.

[Roe]

Is it totally random cause 100% tri boosters for me is 15 SG

[Meteor Weapon]

So, how's the feedback going in Japan about this current SG crap?

[Tournesol]

i got this
特殊能力追加（攻撃継承） ║ Ability Affixer (Attack Transfer)

what can it do ? :-?

make stat5 with 100% chance.

[TaigaUC]

People scratching it anyway. Some people got lucky, others didn't. The usual.
Some people don't want to even try it.

[Superia]

They need to stop.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZ3YIHDEn0[/SPOILER-BOX]

[noobcombo]

Whales primarily feed off shoals (large groups) of fish. A whale player, Is someone who ends up spending a large sum of money on a bunch of small cost items. Whales eat it all up. That's how I understand it.

[Weiss9029]

I can't even scratch, is it random whether or not you get a star gem scratch in the star gem shop, or is it somewhere else? and how much SG does it take to reset this stupid listing

[Xaeris]

You're looking in the wrong place. SG scratch is in the same part of the menu the other scratches are. Good luck.

[Raujinn]

I like how it seems the item list they showed in a magazine before this was considered to not have enough filler so they added 5 more items to the mix. Fuckin hell... Like I ranted about this thing twice and still it somehow ended up worse than I was dreading.

[TaigaUC]

Your expectations aren't low enough for SEGA. Gotta go lower!

[Weiss9029]

120 CCs GG sega

[Chris_Chocobo]

Im really pissed about this. Since Episode 1 i wanted to wear a Dark Falz Costume. When i saw this i was so happy because i can finally achieve this.

But after seeing how expensive is (80 star gems per try), the low rate of getting one and untradeable (if you get something you dont want or repeated you cant even sell it) my ilusions broke in milion pieces. Why Sega do this? even farming Star Gems by Login is too much time consuming to later even get what you want. What player get benefit from this shit?

I hate you LemonHead (Sakai) i really hate you so much.

[Poyonche]

Yeaaaaah ! I got the items that I wanted the most ! EX Exp Boost and Elder Music, I am so happy right now.

#sarcasm

[Ryna]

Is the following a good summary of the current Star Gem scratch?

-The vendor is located in front of the campship door.
-Persona items are account bound
-Changes of getting a Persona item are low
-Hideous color variants exist for all of the Persona clothing
-Color change passes don't work on Persona clothing
-You have to pay a non-trivial amount of Star Gems for each scratch attempt.

[TaigaUC]

Replace "Persona" with "Falz".
Vendor is for Treasure Shop stuff which is just rotating crap that can be bought with SG or meseta. It's unique to each account.
If you want to "play" Star Gem Scratch, it's in the Scratch menu along with all the other scratches.

[Raujinn]

Not really. It isn't "Persona" items it's general Dark Falz items of which Persona M and F are a part of. But otherwise yes. Add in that nearly half of your odds are in getting filler items like Affix items, booster tickets and a 120 Casino Coin ticket for good measure.

[Punisher106]

>Decide ot buy stargems sicne I had spare AC
>Third roll
>FEMALE Persona outfit
>Fourth roll
>White Apprentice outfit
>Fifth Roll
>FEMALE Persona voice

JUST GIVE ME THE MALE BITS, DAMMIT. IT'S MY BIRTHDAY.

[Rupikachu]

>Decide ot buy stargems sicne I had spare AC
>Third roll
>FEMALE Persona outfit
>Fourth roll
>White Apprentice outfit
>Fifth Roll
>FEMALE Persona voice

JUST GIVE ME THE MALE BITS, DAMMIT. IT'S MY BIRTHDAY.

Sega wants you to do a waifu.

[Tari]

>Decide ot buy stargems sicne I had spare AC
>Third roll
>FEMALE Persona outfit
>Fourth roll
>White Apprentice outfit
>Fifth Roll
>FEMALE Persona voice

JUST GIVE ME THE MALE BITS, DAMMIT. IT'S MY BIRTHDAY.
What I wouldn't give to be in your place. It's my bday too(well, it was yesterday) and all I get is a TON of useless exp tickets. Best thing I got was a white persona outfit, and white is a terrible color for a falz outfit. They all are, but white is especially out of place. :/

[Poyonche]

I want Female Persona's mask + voice so much, along with Apprentice's hair + outfit. :c

But noooope, it is so much better to add useless tools. Like do someone really give a fuck about a Meseta booster that gives a ridiculous +25% exp or RDR ?

If it was something like "element attribute +10%" I wouldn't be that disappointed but here we have shitty boosters, shitty affix thingies and shitty casino coin pass.

If a 80SG scratch is worth 120CC, then I wanna be able to trade 120CC for 80SG (even though it will be kind of a suicide for SEGA)

[Tenlade]

So... Can this be a viable alternative for AC scratchers, at least? Free players are absolutely out, but they ought to make money from someone, right?

These things are untradeable too... Yeah, maybe this is a biggest EP4 fail so far (and that's saying something).

being untradable, it loses one of the appeals of ac scratch in that you can sell what you get for money, so no. Screwing the player more isnt always the most profitable option.

[IMACOP]

>Decide ot buy stargems sicne I had spare AC
>Third roll
>FEMALE Persona outfit
>Fourth roll
>White Apprentice outfit
>Fifth Roll
>FEMALE Persona voice

JUST GIVE ME THE MALE BITS, DAMMIT. IT'S MY BIRTHDAY.

I got the male bits... and mine's a female. ;_;

[NightfallG]

They're batshit if they think this egregious nickle and diming isn't alienating both casuals and whales alike.

[黒雪Yacchi]

From the way I see it, male characters are more likely to end up scratching female clothes (hence the shortage) and female toons are more likely to scratch male clothes (Too much of the shit to the point that it's worthless).

[Chris_Chocobo]

SCREW YOU HARD SEGA!!!! that's my feedback

[[Ayumi]]

Sega finally got me to quit this game.
If they don't fix this scratch soon (you know they won't) then I'm not coming back.

[Anduril]

If you could recycle these untradable items for a reduced amount of Star Gems (something like 40SG for a costume, 25SG for a hair/accessory/voice, 10SG for a music disc, and 5SG for a booster) this wouldn't be so bad.

[[Ayumi]]

If you could recycle these untradable items for a reduced amount of Star Gems (something like 40SG for a costume, 25SG for a hair/accessory/voice, 10SG for a music disc, and 5SG for a booster) this wouldn't be so bad.

Better yet of
30 SG for costumes
20 for Hair/Voice/Accessories
10 for Music discs
79 for Boosters

[Z-0]

As always, SEGA fucking delivers. Every update since Episode 4 has been fail after fail after fail, yet certain people seem unable to see this.

When it comes to the scratch itself, I am pretty sure the rates make sense: Unlike the other scratches, this one lasts for 6 months so SEGA is expecting players to just try £10 here, £10 there, etc. over the entire period of time, but it'll most likely be forgotten and ignored by most people because the untradeable thing makes the scratch worthless if you don't get anything you'd actually use.

(I don't agree with this scratch either, it's dreadful)

[cheapgunner]

All I ever really want is the 5%/10% element grind boosters from the scratch but the damn thing has ben bloated for months. trying to get just either of the element grinders from scratches like these seems nigh f***ing impossible when its so bloated....

[Zorak000]

My condolences to anyone who wanted Falz outfits that badly, otherwise I would say that it's not like we really need anything out of this in order to participate in endgame content, whenever we actually get endgame content again

[Tunga]

Wow. They put the Star Gem Shop in an obnoxious place. In front of the lobby seats next to the camp ship exit.
Now people who sit there to have to stare at her back or have her ruin their screenshots.


I don't see why this is an issue.

[TaigaUC]

Because you don't care about people who take screenshots there. I don't, but I'm pretty sure I've seen other people do it.
It's like the Gathering icons making free field crappy for taking shots, except you can't get rid of her.
Sure, it is not a big issue, but it's still a step backwards from before, and a strange decision.
Obviously it doesn't compare to the major issues here. Feel free to ignore it.
But I think that at this point, even minor things like that betray SEGA's general attitude and approach towards their playerbase.

What immediately strikes me is they are trying to bait people into spending SG by putting her in a place that's more difficult to ignore than usual.
Other NPCs don't get that treatment. She isn't a temporary NPC like the others that strolled around the side, either.
I don't think it's a matter of convenience, because there are tons of other things they could make easier for us.
I think it's symbolic of the direction the game is heading.
It gives me the impression that, if SG stuff does not sell well, SEGA will find more annoying ways to shove it in our faces.

Then again, I could just be reading into it too much.
SEGA doesn't seem to think very hard about other stuff, so maybe they just slapped her there for no real reason.

[Shoterxx]

Modding and private servers. That's where the money needs to start flowing to, not these SEGA shenanigans.

[[Ayumi]]

Modding and private servers. That's where the money needs to start flowing to, not these SEGA shenanigans.

Hope a private server come one day.

[Tunga]

Because you don't care about people who take screenshots there.
:wacko:

[Cyber Meteor]

;3381536']Hope a private server come one day.

Well, CyberKitsune is taking care of it, but when will it come live, probably 2 more years at least :wacko:

[TaigaUC]

Oh, and I wanted to say that I also realized their strategy when I saw that the SG scratch will be around until December.
They are very much counting on people to give in and pay some amount before then.

[Zorak000]

sega right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60BjkUtqxPE

[FANSean]

;3381536']Hope a private server come one day.

it's cute that you think a pso2 private server wouldn't become a clusterfuck and drama nest when one gets made 4 years from now


of course this update is a clusterfuck in and of itself since i'm not even sure what sega is trying to do at this point anymore. SG scratch is kinda worthless? It's not pay-to-win because the gameplay altering elements are too small (and arguably inferior to existing options). Quest Triggers in the treasure shop are for primarily outdated quests. I guess it's nice to have a meseta sink for those who still do TACOs but otherwise have no desire to affix anything anymore.

I really don't know what the point of this update was though. the SG Scratch rates are inexcusable in how bad they are but they're not holding anything important over the stick so...???? I just don't get it. It's more baffling to me than frustrating.

[Chris_Chocobo]

I dont know why they dont use the two empty fucking rooms from both sides of the Shop area. They put the football field on the same place as scenario, the Franka Cafe in a corner, the SG in front of the seats. Having two unused rooms on the shop area i cant belive it.

Also im with the ones who want a private server. Everything Unlocked, Everyhing Free. Im really dissapointed with Sega

[Achelousaurus]

My condolences to anyone who wanted Falz outfits that badly, otherwise I would say that it's not like we really need anything out of this in order to participate in endgame content, whenever we actually get endgame content again
Yeah, I really, REALLY wanted DF outfits.Mainly Persona's.
But Sega must be batshit insane if they think I do a 400 AC scratch with half the lineup common crap or useless new shit and a 1% chance to get the item I want without being able to sell the stuff I don't like (that isn't so common it's worthless).

The most ridiculous part is how the Treasure shop lineup is random every day...and Sega charges 15 SG to shuffle again.

I am now 100% sure Sega is not actually trying. They gave up. Catering to the broad audience is too much of a bother for them and they probably realized the game is full of afkers waiting for an eq and not spending any money. So instead of doing the sane and normal thing of trying to improve the game so that as many people as possible enjoy it enough to spend money again, they focus on overpriced niche BS and count on the 5% of hardcore AC spenders that will scratch the everloving fuck out of this thing and provide Sega the necessary profits to continue.

PS: private server sounds amazing and all but the game has not run its course. 4 years minimum sounds more like it. And then it will be probably horrible.
Running the game will be far more demanding than running PSOBB and far more expensive. So donations will be even more important.
And with the game already full of microtransactions the people running the server might just use that for themselves, quite possibly cause otherwise they couldn't even keep the servers running.
And then most people wouldn't wanna play the game like it was on Sega servers, but giving money not to the original creators but the guys running a private server.
I can kinda see the first couple of private servers explode in a giant ball of hate and drama.

[Shinamori]

I wonder if they fall under the Gacha law...

[Xaelouse]

Wish they made a good game instead of trying their hardest to bamboozle people.

[Loveless62]

Just look at all of this salt over special snowflake gear...

Yes, it looks like you get poor value per purchase. If it's a bad deal, then don't buy it, end of story.

If you seriously think there will be riots in the streets of Tokyo over this, then you need to stop skipping your meds.

[Meteor Weapon]

It's bad because it's the things we like, things that we've waited since forever are locked behind bullshit like this, worse they'd never try to...you know, fix things that obviously needs to fix?

Running around in circles killing things till points are full is a borefest for everyone and it's extremely hard to find a full mpa people doing quest like limited quest. I don't mind running around in circles, but remove the damn point collecting and let people decided to finish the quest by going to the boss room. It was fine back then, and I have no fucking clue why they didn't bother doing that again. I miss running around in circles with mpa's(Ruins back then was fun) without having to worrry about point's filling up and ending the quest, going back to campship, restart only to end up being alone in a new mpa because mpa matchmaking can be retarded.

[Jei182]

You know, at the least they should (and I don't know if they have done this) make it so where you can only win a costume of your gender. The only thing that sucks worse than not getting a Dark Falz costume is getting one in the wrong gender (that you can't sell off) or a crimson or white (really, a white color variation for a Dark Falz outfit) unless you wanted to have a look that's pre infection or something which I can do with any other outfit. I was pretty excited once I learned about this and I think the other color combinations aren't even that bad, but white and crimson? I really hate griping about this but this really does suck,

[Keilyn]

Sorry, but I actually think the game is doing better than it did before..

We managed to get the following:

NT-Grinding System: Instead of running out of Lambda Grinders and be forced to do Zieg's Quests every damn week for them, now we can do something with all of those useless weapons that drop. Changing from Old Weapons to New NT weapons and being able to sacrifice them to increase another weapon's power to me is never a bad thing. Can Clear their Databases... and unlike the old system that was based on RNG, this one always works with no chance of failure, but one has to be able to actually prep the weapons for sacrifice....

RNG 0, Players 1

Collection Files: Before this came along, acquiring 13* weapons truly was an RNG effort. I saw many players who stacked every booster they could possibly get and run every EQ they could imagine hoping for a 13* drop. They get one, grind it...and then spend another 3 - 4 months going after the second weapon of the same type just so they could turn it into a 60%. I know people who have RAGED QUIT this game over not being able to actually get a 60% weapon that they wanted. Sorry, but getting a ridiculous amount of stones so that players can just get the same weapon multiple times to reach 60% and then go through the extra effort of turning the weapon into the element that they want is depressing. Now there is a less RNG in the overall process of acquiring 13* and the minimum power of players on-field is increasing...

RNG 0, Players 2

Scratches + Playershops: This has been there since the very beginning. One can choose to RNG through scratching or go through a playershop for the item. Obscene amounts of money for the most popular items, but for everything else the prices level off and they are more than reasonable. Most of the time i go for a costume, Seldom have I ever paid more than 2 million for a costume. Of course Noble Power and Attribute Change Lights are another story altogether. This system is what keeps players in the game and what keeps fashion alive.......but its also a system that exists on account of RNG, in which without it would be only paying players getting costumes ever and everyone else being stuck to the start items... So in this case RNG gets a victory.... on the good side....

Evil RNG 0, Good RNG 1, Players 2

SG Scratch: Oh a single scratch comes out and the world turns upside down over a non-tradable scratch. Of course this is Evil RNG at its finest to replace the Evil RNG that has been eliminated from other areas of the game that caused people to leave in the first place. At least this is locked behind the choice of the person to spend instead of being forced upon it. A lot of what is in that scratch is not going to affect my performance as a player and to be honest with people. I don't give a shit about looking like apprentice or persona. What I like about apprentice is the attitude and a costume won't give me that attitude.

Evil RNG 1, Good RNG 1, Players 2

Graphics Update: If SEGA didn't care about its four year old game they wouldn't have released a graphics update to tier 6 and improved their shaders. One does not simply graphic update their game unless they actually want to do more with it. All in All this has actually helped players a lot, and the game built heavily around the characters the players make; this is a much appreciated and needed welcome to the game...

Evil RNG 1, Good RNG 1, Players 3

Episode IV: While I don't like the story to Episode IV, I do like the characters I have seen pop up from Episode IV. I also like the matterboard/storyboard system that came from episode IV. Its much more fluid than the previous matterboard system and that to me is a welcome change to the game. I might not like Episode IV that much overall, but I do see it as a test into a new system. I like the Bridge along with Sierra, and this story ties together with the anime...

Evil RNG 1, Good RNG 1, Players 4

PSO2 Anime: While the anime to me I felt like it felt flat on its face as it is an advertisement for the game....what in the hell isn't released today by Pixar or Dreamworks that isn't its own ad campaign for toys and other crap? Each time Disney makes a new Toy Story, the same blasted toys are sold everywhere. Each time any animated cartoon or movie based on a comic is released, all the toys and marketing gets spun around. However its amazing to finally grow a conscience and call out the anime on how blatantly it does it.... and forget about everything else that does it too. I did like seeing the characters in-game and getting their cards.... Not every game series has an anime that has a story built on it and the ones I do like Dot Hack, are the games I remember the most. SEGA did not have any OBLIGATION to create an anime. In fact they felt like making one to promote the game and work with its story, and rather than just do an endless ad campaign, they took the anime route and that is actually good for players...

Evil RNG 1, Good RNG 1, Players 5

All Class 13* Weapons: Normally Xie weapons are a joke, used for Fodder... but not this time. In an effort to make subclasses more playable and have subclass weapons more accessible, they made 13* All Class Weapons. Not only are these weapons 400 Dex to equip, but they also have their own internal PAs, fall under the new grinding system and even better....are easy to get. I've gotten fourteen so far in the first week of this... This not only puts a near-end to crafting, but new players running the LQ will end up being able to skip over the nightmare that were the other weapons and have something that they could forever use. Could the existence of ALL CLASS 13* weapons be a prelude to a new difficulty or even 14*? Only time will tell....All in all this is actually good for the players. It helps them have more synergy and use with their subclass without giving them overpowering weapons that would outshine their main class weapons...and the weapons are good placeholders on the main class BEFORE getting a proper 13* main class weapon....

EVIL RNG 1, GOOD RNG 1, Players 6

Skill Rings: The skill rings were a good way to actually improve the ability of players by allowing players to customize through the rings that they get their playstyle. This was a success and players are able to gain abilities without SEGA being forced to increase the Level Cap. Having to Level the rings to make them stronger when they could have just fixed it with the ability only was a good idea. This helped out players really specialize on what they like. I use Twin Dagger Ring + Attack Advance Ring as a wandchaser.... Anyone knows this was good for the players.....Even better was the fact that we knew what we needed to gather prior to getting one.

Evil RNG 1, Good RNG 1, Players 7

Gathering: This was something that was fun at first, and bothered me later... That is until I just gathered with all my characters.....The result was in always being able to gather what I wanted. At first I thought about EVIL RNG.... is it EVIL? Well its not taking money from me but its trying to get me to spend SG points. Was the RNG so bad that players were not able to get their rings? The answer is no. People DID complain, but these are the same people who got their rings in the first 3 days of release. Against my better wishes, I give a point to the players because SEGA did have to plan out how the gathering nodes were distributed, rebuild the maps themselves and test them. I didn't experience any bugs in gathering and I didn't hear about many players experiencing bugs either. I rather have gathering exist than to not exist or deal with the alternative of having to go through Locked or Gated Content to get a skill ring. Fortunately Gathering was intended to be useful from Level 1 and gathering is tied with farming ingredients for food too....which is not a bad return. Between Food + Timed Abilities, one does get a boost. :) ...and its nice that it comes from something different...

EVIL RNG 1, Good RNG 1, Players 8

Yamato EQ: Ok, we talk about how easy this is... but it was intentionally made like this. Fighting the Battleship is easy and its just a matter of SEGA saying "Oh lets triple the health and double the defense power and attack power of everything... Hell... Lets double the rate of fire... I am sure enough AISs will go down in smoke." I don't think anyone realized this but SEGA actually introduced a HITSCAN weapon on a Boss Monster... :) The Giant Twin Cannon weapons are all Hitscan! This mission feels like the mothership mission or darker den in which there is a beginning, middle, and end, and its not the entire party going around in circles trying to accumulate points. This mission was linked to the Tokyo map in terms of enemies and stories and it threw a curve ball because before Tokyo appeared, there was no true dedicated Wind-Weak Element Map. Before Wind was for Forest (shared with Fire) and for Zanversing... and many avoided running a wind weapon, so now Wind Element Weapons are put on the map.... However, I love the fact that when I do run this EQ there are projectiles and Cannon Fire forming the environmental effects of the map and there are some nasty things that do get players killed here. This to me is a mission done right in the sense that it has direction and leads to the battle against Yamato. One praise I have is when the missiles are being launched that they made out the dark, deep-sea graphics come out....along with the song that goes with it. This map encourages everyone for the second part to run Lucky Rise Units + Umbra Stick (or the Tarot) and Boosters, but being able to have 13* collection sheet is not bad. This map actually brought together Veteran players and new players together.... and feels more like a CoOpt map than anything else....... Only real problem with it due to my own power-level (yeah i know, powerlevel is DBZ-talk) is that the map is easy and predictable... but it beats running around in circles!

Evil RNG 1, Good RNG 1, Players 9

Collaborations: PSO-2 has something that few games can do well... Costume and Map Collaborations! While foreigners have problems with collaborations, the fact is that collaboration in almost any part is all about improving awareness, and spreading the name of the company and products they sell to as many people as possible. Collaborations are common in PSO-2 which is amazing how much insults certain players have for it. Does anyone realize just how hard it is to actually get two groups to collaborate and release each other's licensed products in each other's domain? or even come to an agreement? This brings in new players, but it also allows a veteran player to actually benefit and get in on the action when the collaboration is from something that they enjoy. I loved FF XIV and I am waiting for that Collaboration. How many games do you know where Collaborations are so common and actually work well without having to change everything about the game itself? This helps players out........and while I want to give the point to players... this point rightfully goes to SEGA itself. It takes time, money, and energy... even teams to work together to bring the collaboration to the players...all while heading other projects simultaneously......and at times when there is NOT a collaboration, there are those yearly/bi-yearly costume/illustration design contests in which SEGA brings to live those costumes voted upon....

Evil RNG 1, Good RNG 1, Players 9, SEGA 1

Playstation 4 Version: This one definitely goes out to SEGA. They didn't have to do it, but they ported their game to Playstation 4 during the same time they released the Tier 6 Graphics update (Covered already). While this benefits players in allowing to actually play on multiple platforms, I give the point to SEGA because of all the work they actually did to move this game to Playstation 4. The points I give to SEGA are things that they did that I deem as Good for the company itself. Consoles are here to stay and they were able to make it work...and did it at the same time they made their graphics update..... Retouching and rereleasing a 4 year old game to breathe new life into it....and then trying to reinvent itself when the scope of gaming has really changed in the last four years tremendously....like said.. Definitely a point for SEGA...

Evil RNG 1, Good RNG 1, Players 9. SEGA 2

....

Sorry, but I think the game has gotten better...
Life is worth living and I no longer feel as I am stuck in an endless, vicious cycle of always upgrading everything. The cycle wouldn't be bad but when it takes longer to upgrade my equipment than the time it takes in four MMORPGs, it begs to say that PSO-2 is equivalent today to the grindfest of the past compared to the other games I actually play that have done all they can to clear away the grind outside of the base progression...

The major grind in PSO-2 came mostly from depending on RNG.
SEGA has eliminated a lot of RNG and replaced it with something that actually gives a reason to play older content again. I see parties doing just about anything these days and It feels nice.... ^_^

I don't particular like this scratch, and I simply won't scratch it... that's all...

People love talking about how SEGA caters to everyone and how this game should be about difficulty and struggle. The game is about characters, not difficulty and struggle. It is not even a hardcore game to begin with.... if you think its HARDCORE, then you have issues. All the players with wounded pride who are dealing with their worse possible fears coming true... the fear that new players will actually catch up to them or close the gap with them, and make them feel insignificant as it will be harder to impress new players and each other with time attack records (the only real thing that maintains the Hard Core mentality in some people)..

Like I've said before..
I play PSO-2 for the same reason Gandalf enters The Shire...

To take a vacation from the real hardships of the gaming world and play something that is lighter and friendlier, and to appreciate its existence. PSO-2 is like The Shire, while the heavy PvP oriented, team-based oriented PvP MMORPGs I play with the attitude, roughness, and unforgiving nature (compared to PSO2)... is like fighting against Mordor itself..

During Maintenance yesterday....

Just yesterday I had six PvP deaths in 30 minutes... but then, I respawned and found the players who fell one by one around the map... rallied them together and then in a choke point managed on just 10 - 15 players annihilate around 100+ players.... under a full defensive. By the end of the PvP session..... we each had few players..... we joined each other's parties to have enemies in the same party because of the boss and monster spawns becoming annoying. Turns out the enemy was taking the long way to us because of the monsters in the way that small parties can't just handle. So we combined parties and wiped out the boss monster (took around 30 of us + random stragglers) and we faced the boss monster from opposite sides because in being enemies our PvP attacks would hurt each other... and managed to win, celebrate... and be happy. ^_^..

Then after we wined and dined on the blood of our enemies.. shared a few stories...and shared even more than a few drinks
together, we did the decent thing and simply killed each other in a giant grand spar....
Our heads shall litter the fields for years to come!
Just so glad mine is still up....

How the hell did I, and the leader of the enemy troop both outlived everyone else on both sides when we were both mid-line characters is well beyond me....^_^ (or the fact we both have SLI computers and can maintain 60 FPS when 100+ players are on-screen killing one another) :P

[Poyonche]

Skills Rings and Gathering should go under the category of both Players and Evil RNG because I love getting Tomatoes when using my Pickaxe instead of getting some Naber Rock. And ALL of my rings failed at the first grind level sooo... :wacko:

[.razor.]

overrated scratch

http://i.imgur.com/z9tRGqJ.gif

[.razor.]

;3381536']Hope a private server come one day.

illegal servers are for peasants

[[Ayumi]]

NT-Grinding System
Collection Files
Scratches + Playershops
SG Scratch
Graphics Update
Episode IV
PSO2 Anime
All Class 13* Weapons
Skill Rings
Gathering
Yamato EQ
Collaborations
Playstation 4 Version

For me it's...
I rather OT than NT. I find OT much cheaper and tolerable to grind. (Yes, I find OT much cheaper).
Needing 6 of a weapon compared to 2 (or Falz forbid 3) is also a bit meh to me.

The original collection files isn't too bad, but then locking the EQ ones to well... EQs and then when those EQs/sheets expire and unable to get those done in time, you're shit out of luck as Sega said when it expires.. that's it. I think that's stupid.
One reason I only did the Wind/Rain one 2 times was because I sick and tired of the RNG of not showing up a Rheo sometimes or some other boss I would need that I had to pray that I would both see a Nyau AND he spawn the right boss I needed.
Even after I gave up, I heard of other people bitching abou certain bosses not popping up. Not sure if they ever got the weapons needed to +35 at all.

Scratches were fine before. Now they're making account bounded items to the scratches. Want a certain accessory? Scratch 15 times!
Oh and of course if you want said item/accessory for more than one character? "FUCK YOU!" is what Sega say. I find that as a negative.

SG Scratch. Not even going there as I rather not bitch for a few hours.

Graphic update. This one I find as a negative. The graphics should've been optional update. What I mean is those that don't care for the upgrade in graphics were also forced to take the huge update. That's kind of... silly.

I'm not going to talk about EP4 or The anime as I'm biased. Don't like the whole "Real world" crap, and I hate anime in general.

All class 13* is the only positive I can think of. Think it's super great all around.

Skills rings get a 50/50 for me. 50/50 as in some of them sure help quite a bit.
On the other hand, the whole rng still on trying to get the materials that you can't even buy in shops if you can't get them. For those without much characters are then forced to wait 5 hours (I think it's 5 right?) to see if they get the items again.
That and some of the skills rings should've just flat out be skills. Why can't I have a Front Roll skill on my Gu tree? Like seriously... Could've used another ring as L. Should make for the exampe of that front roll for classes to use with let's say the all class 13* mechs. Would make more sense that way. Or make F-roll main class for Gu and for those that want to go let's say Br/Gu with mechs would need the ring to do so.
I just mentioned my problem with skill rings and gathering as a whole above so I'm not going to isolate your mention of gathering here.

Yamato EQ. In my opinion it's a really boring EQ. If it wasn't for the collection sheet, I personally would be skipping it.

Collaborations. Once again 50/50 and you can't say this is a getting "better" as there has been collaborations for a good while now. Some collaborations have a ton of items for someone to want while other collaborations maybe have not a single item for certain people. Really though. it's a mixed bag...

PS4 version I can't state. I gues 50/50 as well? More players and more people for Sega to get sales from is good, but many people were having lag and 630 problems since PS4 popped up which... I can't say is 100% positive.

[Z-0]

It's been getting worse, sorry. Sure it has some "better" things and fixed mechanical systems, but the game is becoming less and less engaging as time goes on. There is less to do and less to aim for, it is simply getting more and more boring.

This game has never been perfect, but there have been more complaints than ever before and it is no coincidence. Defend the game as much as you wish, but the only people who stick around nowadays are those who are "new"-er to PSO2.

[pkemr4]

Don't support this garbage.

sega gets your money anyways for buying AC, what you do with it they dont care because got your money.

[Zorak000]

I am guessing they do know how you spend your star gems though, so they will know if people are whaling hard on it or not.

I did a single courtesy roll since I had 80SG already, and that is all I plan on doing

[Ziel]

Fix´d:

NT-Grinding System: Instead of running out of Lambda Grinders and be forced to do Zieg's Quests every damn week for them, now we can do something else, and farm nox NTs ad infinium now that driving rain is over and empe rappy wont show up like ragne on free fields, and also getting 6 times the same weapon for +35, oh yeah driving rain is over, good luck with that +33 katana.

Collection Files:Its all good and nice, until collection sheets expire, again good luck with the +33 katana.

Scratches + Playershops: The fact that ALL cast accesories are now AC ones instead of FUN like they used to be? (stabilizers, verniers, wings) and that they now split costumes as much as they can to bloat layerwear even more?
Tell me one single reason the "Tank on head/back" deserves to be an AC scratch item instead of a FUN one.

SG Scratch: Oh a single scratch comes out supposedly for free players (thats the reason sega gave for releasing SGs in the first place, gathering related) its unaffordable, 50% bloated with non related stuff, untradeable recolors AND genders, do they really had to add boosters and useless shitty affixes?

Graphics Update: If SEGA didn't care about its four year old game they wouldn't have released a graphics update to tier 6 and tried to improve shaders which still look dumb and eye melting compared to what nvidia inspector can do, IF they really cared about the aspect of the game, hands would clench at least...


Skill Rings: The skill rings were a good way to actually improve the ability of players so long as you play the classes they released rings for, here i am in Ranger, still waiting for a left ring :3


Gathering: Read above, also the cooldown and stupid AC/SG pricing is designed to cash in on players a la mobage, dont defend a system that should have used what we had already, DISC FRAGMENTS AND DESYNTH MATERIALS, they could have added recipes to our now useless except for units crafting system but they decided to create a profitable mobage garbage.

Yamato EQ: i like AIS gameplay, lets see how nice and relevant this EQ is after sheets get out of rotation (probably the EQ will too)

Collaborations: "Map Collaborations" where are these "map collabs" you talk about? all i see are imported costumes and sometimes, bosses. Dont get me wrong i like collabs a lot and would wish some more (Blazblue CP Taokaka pls), also, compared to last year we´re lacking in collabs, wich is "getting worse" not better going by your point

Playstation 4 Version: This one i have nothing against

[Poyonche]

Oh yeah, why did they put ton of fillers ? Was that just for "More chances for those whales to scratch more and more." ?

Or maybe that Meseta Boosters are Dark Falzes true weapons ?

[Zyrusticae]

All I know is the lack of any weapon -> weapon camo is a serious flaw and one that continues to baffle me to this day.

Also SG scratch sucks yadda yadda, y'know the drill.

[Shoterxx]

Well, the concept was actually nice, but the realization was SEGA.

[Tenlade]

Oh, and I wanted to say that I also realized their strategy when I saw that the SG scratch will be around until December.
They are very much counting on people to give in and pay some amount before then.

Nah, if you want to make people pay you make the duration super short to make them buy now in panic, otherwise those who dont immediately want it will just occasionally do it as they slowly accumulate gems over the year.

This is a star gem sink, with really low rates and unique, untradable items to make sure you keep doing it. They want you to be doing this scratch over and over for months when you have an excess of gems so you don't stockpile them.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

sega gets your money anyways for buying AC, what you do with it they dont care because got your money.

1: every couple of months I MAYBE get premium.
2: sega takes notes on how much AC was purchased, and what people spend their AC on. You can spend AC on whatever as long as it isn't SGs and they'd still get the message that this SG scratch is crap. How else do you think they were aware of people not spending their AC on scratch as much as before? They monitor it.

[Vintasticvin]

So much salt rage and hatred! I love this thread and this forum community SO MUCH I thrive and live off of negativity and this forum is way over abundant stay ugly, vile, and crude <3

[aiMute]

NT-Grinding System: Instead of running out of Lambda Grinders and be forced to do Zieg's Quests every damn week for them, now we can do something else, and farm nox NTs ad infinium now that driving rain is over and empe rappy wont show up like ragne on free fields, and also getting 6 times the same weapon for +35, oh yeah driving rain is over, good luck with that +33 katana.

Collection Files:Its all good and nice, until collection sheets expire, again good luck with the +33 katana.

Scratches + Playershops: The fact that ALL cast accesories are now AC ones instead of FUN like they used to be? (stabilizers, verniers, wings) and that they now split costumes as much as they can to bloat layerwear even more?
Tell me one single reason the "Tank on head/back" deserves to be an AC scratch item instead of a FUN one.

SG Scratch: Oh a single scratch comes out supposedly for free players (thats the reason sega gave for releasing SGs in the first place, gathering related) its unaffordable, 50% bloated with non related stuff, untradeable recolors AND genders, do they really had to add boosters and useless shitty affixes?

Graphics Update: If SEGA didn't care about its four year old game they wouldn't have released a graphics update to tier 6 and tried to improve shaders which still look dumb and eye melting compared to what nvidia inspector can do, IF they really cared about the aspect of the game, hands would clench at least...


Skill Rings: The skill rings were a good way to actually improve the ability of players so long as you play the classes they released rings for, here i am in Ranger, still waiting for a left ring :3


Gathering: Read above, also the cooldown and stupid AC/SG pricing is designed to cash in on players a la mobage, dont defend a system that should have used what we had already, DISC FRAGMENTS AND DESYNTH MATERIALS, they could have added recipes to our now useless except for units crafting system but they decided to create a profitable mobage garbage.

Yamato EQ: i like AIS gameplay, lets see how nice and relevant this EQ is after sheets get out of rotation (probably the EQ will too)

Collaborations: "Map Collaborations" where are these "map collabs" you talk about? all i see are imported costumes and sometimes, bosses. Dont get me wrong i like collabs a lot and would wish some more (Blazblue CP Taokaka pls), also, compared to last year we´re lacking in collabs, wich is "getting worse" not better going by your point

Playstation 4 Version: This one i have nothing against
This. Start of ep4 was great (ass sliders, inventory, nice layering costumes and then graphic update) but now it goes downhill. Anyway, want to add a bit more to this:
- With NT weapons AC badges are now much less useful so you get tons of dirt cheap items and the ones that are worth something instead cost at least 5 to 10 million or more.

- AC scratches are not only bloated they are also worse in quality. 8 recolors of same basewear which was so bad it was AC badge price, Sega pls.

- Layering clothes do not use Innerwear at all despite there being huge amounts of it, the only exception is kyast default basewear, btw kyast default innerwear is good too and Sega should make more stuff like that (e.g. not just panties). The deal with Layering clothes is that you can combine them but with Innerwear almost never visible Sega gets 1 out 3 items out of the picture, great. Also the coloring of those layering clothes: I didn't like standard colors of old costumes as they seemed a bit dull but when it comes to layering you need colors that go well with other colors, instead we get light pink, bleak green and something purple clothes and multicolored versions of them and that means those stupid color combinations too. And don't get even get me started on Ou+Ba composition where one of the items is made to be solely used with other and is complete shit when used with any other layering wear.

- Story, which is subjective, but I enjoyed ep1-3 way more. There also were whole matterboards with multiple dialogues and stuff per chapter.

- Yamato, which was fun first few times, is super easy, to the point I can get past it playing with my legs instead of hands. You literally can't lose the bossfight and the part before that is just a filler. And the bossfight itself is super easy as you don't even have to evade stuff as getting behind the tower makes it safe even without freeze. At least cubegatsu required you to dodge and move and was time limited, this one is just shoot-rokkit-strike spam till it dies.

- Eggs. EGGS. EGGS! TONS OF FUCKING USELESS EGGS! Gather, at least I throw out useless shit after I'm done, eggs are always there, getting into loot table, getting into your inventory, getting into trash bag and never stopping doing so. They are absolutely useless and that ponycrap 13* stuff that drops everywhere, I'm sure even Su don't want that. A teammate of mine has 9 of those, nine, a whole rainbow and few extras that you can't even cook in Frankas Cafe. Su was a mistake.


Those are only bad points, there were a few good ones, but overall, especially with recent scratches and SG scratch, the game gets worse and worse.
p.s. Isn't current PSO2 management/people/person in charge the same that made OP shunka and other stuff like that?

[Evangelion X.XX]

- Eggs. EGGS. EGGS! TONS OF FUCKING USELESS EGGS! Gather, at least I throw out useless shit after I'm done, eggs are always there, getting into loot table, getting into your inventory, getting into trash bag and never stopping doing so. They are absolutely useless and that ponycrap 13* stuff that drops everywhere, I'm sure even Su don't want that. A teammate of mine has 9 of those, nine, a whole rainbow and few extras that you can't even cook in Frankas Cafe. Su was a mistake.



Seriously, Sega needs to tone down the amount of eggs; there're simply way too many of them and it's annoying to constantly clean up one's inventory.

[[Ayumi]]

- Eggs. EGGS. EGGS! TONS OF FUCKING USELESS EGGS! Gather, at least I throw out useless shit after I'm done, eggs are always there, getting into loot table, getting into your inventory, getting into trash bag and never stopping doing so. They are absolutely useless and that ponycrap 13* stuff that drops everywhere, I'm sure even Su don't want that. A teammate of mine has 9 of those, nine, a whole rainbow and few extras that you can't even cook in Frankas Cafe. Su was a mistake.

Yeah the "I'm sure even Su don't want that" part is me.
I have all of my Pets except 2 at 120 already so I have 0 use of all these fucking eggs that all of the ones I've been getting lately in EQs I just throw them out. Even the SPECIAL EGGS as I'm not wasting time tekking them when I know I won't ever need them.... until I can get the 2 eggs to 120.
The 2 I haven't gotten to 120 are Torim and Melon and that's because my Torim is 10* and my Melon is 9*. I never found a 13* of them, but I do have like 2 13* Sally eggs, 8 of Wanda, had 5 of Viola and threw 3 out, and only got Maron 13* once.

[sparab]

Got five *13 pets to feed and I am buying eggs from other players.

You can never get enough eggs when you need them.

[Zangor17]

did 2 scratches and got 2 different colored female persona outfits (majority of my characters a female, I like the crimson) guess it was alright. hate the sucky rates because i did some more with some extra money i had and got grind items and the face paint. I understand the complaints but honestly feels like i might just put some SG into this here and there if i can. really want at least 1 apprentice costume then ill have gotten most of what i want out of this one.

[wefwq]

Man, this new SG scratch are complete garbage because of the percentage alone.

[TaigaUC]

So does Elder's hair have any difference from the free default one everyone has from the beginning?
Or are people paying real money to get a dupe of a default hairstyle?
I guess it has two tone? Couldn't tell from the shots I've seen.

[MightyHarken]

I absolutely loved your idea. combat stances like in PSO. It was so badass to see my ramar holding a rifle or a handgun upwards, or a humar resting his great sword on his shoulder when walking

[TaigaUC]

So much salt rage and hatred! I love this thread and this forum community SO MUCH I thrive and live off of negativity and this forum is way over abundant stay ugly, vile, and crude <3

Well, this is PSO-World, not Rainbow-World. There's always the off-topic forum!

Edit:
To elaborate... this forum is about a game that has been steadily and increasingly disappointing and upsetting its playerbase.
It's not just this forum that's complaining either. Japanese people also aren't pleased about this BS.
Let's not forget how often SEGA has recently had to publicly apologize on their livestream.

So I personally think it's kind of silly to expect people to be happy about their long-awaited (4 years!) outfits being tied to a system that totally screws them over.
SEGA knew there was huge demand for the Dark Falz outfits. They intentionally chose to distribute them in the worst possible manner that NOBODY wanted.
Of course there are going to be very upset people.

Also perhaps consider that most of the people remaining on this forum didn't go nuts and quit like Maenara did.
We still had hopes for Episode 4 to be good. So it's not like we are being negative on purpose.
SEGA's bad actions lead to our negative reactions.

Sure, people like me might be a little excessively negative.
But at the same time, I am sure everyone would be much happier if SEGA didn't keep doing terrible things that drive everyone away.
That's why I think that if you feel this forum is getting you down, maybe take a break and go do something else until SEGA gets something right and makes people happy.
You could be waiting for a long time, though.

And now that I think about it... I bet the second SG scratch will be Matoi's newest outfit.
I'm sure that'll go over well. Not.

[Achelousaurus]

Gotta admit, 15SG for a 100% triboost is very nice. Both AC spenders and freemiums alike have reason enough to get this. If I continue to burn triboosts at this rate I might just buy a bunch.

Also, yes NT grinding rocks and collection sheets are really nice. But sadly its this is 1/10 ratio again. 1 good thing, 9 bad things. And even if it's huge, the hype from this 1 thing quickly gets overshadowed by the continuous disappointment from the other things.

Sadly collection sheets are fucked. Revo in general is good but it's annoying that a bunch of them have like 4-5% off a lvl 66-70 boss forcing you to spam SHAQs or a certain XQ stage, a little better rates would be good.

But mainly it's cause revo gets easily eclipsed by the Seiga and AIS weapons which are stronger and can be gotten far more easily. And soon we'll get Ray which is even stronger than Seiga and will probably be just as easy to get.

[TaigaUC]

Yeah, Zeshi on the Wind Rain Knuckles sheet was god awful.
That guy only spawne once in about 10 runs (not even exaggerating), and killing him once only gave about 3% without boosts. ~7-10% with ~300-400%.
It was the slowest to complete by far, and the only other places to get Zeshi are EQs, AQs with a 50% chance for Miser, and Nyau in Tokyo.
There isn't even a Rigshirayda trigger, and the game won't let you use Darker boss triggers like Agurani in the XH-capable free fields, despite them spawning there.

Leomardon and fire snake whatsisname were terrible, too.
~25% per kill with ~400% boosts, but the only places you could fight them at that level were the Sea Lab EQ (super rare) and Wind and Rain.
In Wind and Rain, they relied on Nyau spawning, and Nyau would often not call them. That's if Nyau even appeared at all. Super frustrating.

Yesterday, I was sitting in PSO2 thinking, "I want to do this thing right now, but I can't, because I need to wait for a random EQ".
I think it's pretty terrible that the game forces players to wait long periods of time like that.
Imagine how many people log in aiming to have a little fun each night, and can't do what they want during that short time, because the random stuff isn't popping.
People begged SEGA for years to remove EQs and add more content that can be done anytime, and SEGA's reaction was to make people pay real money to do so.
I can't imagine many people would think well of that. Especially people who aren't that invested in the game and just want to have a little fun.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't imagine most casual/light users logging in and thinking, "I'm in the mood for some TD3. I'll just buy a trigger."
And then have to go find and organize 11 other people to do it with.

[Superia]

Also perhaps consider that most of the people remaining on this forum didn't go nuts and quit like Maenara did.
We still had hopes for Episode 4 to be good. So it's not like we are being negative on purpose.
SEGA's bad actions lead to our negative reactions.


Aww, Mae left?



And now that I think about it... I bet the second SG scratch will be Matoi's newest outfit.
I'm sure that'll go over well. Not.

I was calling this one, too. Luther, Double and Matoi's stuff will probably be in there. ALONG WITH MORE RECOLORS OF APPRENTICE, PERSONA AND ELDER :wacko: However, I think that if SEGA has any intention of fixing this, it will have to wait until then since a lot of people have already been using this fucked up one.

[Achelousaurus]

He/she/it left at the start of ep 1 as a reaction to the 4-1 story iirc.

[Cyber Meteor]

He/she/it left at the start of ep 1 as a reaction to the 4-1 story iirc.

You mean EP4 :p. Also, it was after the live stream of december actually, and yes because of EP4 story cross-overing with the anime. Ironically, EP4 story is the most interesting content they've put since the beginning :D

[Meteor Weapon]

Also the most cliche/cringe worthy story that I don't think anyone who appreciates a good story telling would even like the entire premise of EP4 being heavily anime cliched/ and godly feeling like a total drag. EP1-3 did it better without the story being update bit by bit at an extreme degree. In the past, it was 1 update 1 whole chapter, now it's 1 update only 1/4 part of 1 chapter, that's one of my biggest grip about EP4. I'd rather do matterboard, doing EP1-3 Story Quest feels more complete even if they're short than doing the storyboard bit by bit and I don't really have to wait just to get one chapter complete once in a two-three months.

[JoycieC]

Bought 5150AC
Spent 4800AC on 1280SG

This is the only noteworthy thing I got from it. The rest were boosters and Casino Coins, worst odds.

https://joycie.s-ul.eu/AphtZmwP.png

Don't play it, waste of time, money and SEGA will likely just make them tradeable or revive it with better odds six months to a year down the line.

That's £33 I'm never getting back.

[Shinamori]

Ouch...

[Chris_Chocobo]

Bought 5150AC
Spent 4800AC on 1280SG

This is the only noteworthy thing I got from it. The rest were boosters and Casino Coins, worst odds.

https://joycie.s-ul.eu/AphtZmwP.png

Don't play it, waste of time, money and SEGA will likely just make them tradeable or revive it with better odds six months to a year down the line.

That's £33 I'm never getting back.

I dont know why you even tried it. Your chances on getting this are really low, the waste of money was assured. I wanted those clothes since episode 1 and now they made me lose the interest on this game. I played this daily and now i didn't touch the game since this udpate.

[Tenlade]

Bought 5150AC
Spent 4800AC on 1280SG

This is the only noteworthy thing I got from it. The rest were boosters and Casino Coins, worst odds.

https://joycie.s-ul.eu/AphtZmwP.png

Don't play it, waste of time, money and SEGA will likely just make them tradeable or revive it with better odds six months to a year down the line.

That's £33 I'm never getting back.
making it tradable would tick off every whale that spent money on this thing. they'll instead just make item tickets that give you free gem scratches

[Meteor Weapon]

Why are you even giving sega money for this crap in the first place?

[D-Inferno]

And for the love of god, don't buy premium so often unless you REALLY need it.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Bought 5150AC
Spent 4800AC on 1280SG

This is the only noteworthy thing I got from it. The rest were boosters and Casino Coins, worst odds.

https://joycie.s-ul.eu/AphtZmwP.png

Don't play it, waste of time, money and SEGA will likely just make them tradeable or revive it with better odds six months to a year down the line.

That's £33 I'm never getting back.

Why oh why did you even give SEGA the money...


Don't support this garbage.

[Cyber Meteor]

@JoycieC The amount of EQ trigger you could have got with all those SG............:rolleyes:

[Superia]

Why are you even giving sega money for this crap in the first place?

Dark Phallus is mad enticing. SEGA knew the perfect thing to open their shitty SG scratch system with.

[[Ayumi]]

Bought 5150AC
Spent 4800AC on 1280SG

This is the only noteworthy thing I got from it. The rest were boosters and Casino Coins, worst odds.

https://joycie.s-ul.eu/AphtZmwP.png

Don't play it, waste of time, money and SEGA will likely just make them tradeable or revive it with better odds six months to a year down the line.

That's £33 I'm never getting back.

I'm guessing that's some shader crap on that's making it look Gengar coloured?

[Xaeris]

They have color variants. That's the Elegant Purple version.

[[Ayumi]]

They have color variants. That's the Elegant Purple version.

"Elegant"

[sparab]

;3381792']"Elegant"

Because purple is sega color.

[TaigaUC]

Dark Phallus is mad enticing. SEGA knew the perfect thing to open their shitty SG scratch system with.

Because they knew everyone really wanted those and couldn't resist scratching for them.
Expect more of that for future SG scratches, or whatever the hell they come up with.

At this point it'd be better for players to stay silent about what they want in PSO2.
That'd reduce the chances of stuff being locked to SG scratch.

Just skimmed over some of the comments on the JP swiki. Do a search for "SGスク".
http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?Comments%2F%E6%84%9A%E7%97%B4%E6%8E%B2%E 7%A4%BA%E6%9D%BFVol57
http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?Comments%2F%E9%9B%91%E8%AB%87%E6%8E%B2%E 7%A4%BA%E6%9D%BFVol1458

People there saying the rates are terrible, they spent a ton and got rubbish.
Others reacting by saying stuff like "don't scratch", and "it's amazing people are even scratching to begin with".
I didn't realize there's a 43.748% chance to get boost items or Casino Coin tickets. Yuck.

Went and peeked at the replies on Twitter. They're pissed there too.
https://twitter.com/sega_pso2/status/742946755709374464

They're saying it costs too much, there's too much rubbish on the scratch, the admins have gone to hell, something wrong in their heads, they don't listen to us, etc.
400 AC for 80 SG, meaning 400 AC for one try. That's about $4, right? $4 for 120 Casino Coins....

[Meteor Weapon]

SG shouold have never even existed in the first place. If people wanted to pay for something AC has already done it's job just fine, until SG popped out from some hell hole.

[SteveCZ]

I just don't like the fact that the items are not tradable, which renders them as useless items that waste my storage if I don't want them. If I do AC scratch, most often I always sell all the leftovers I don't like. I don't always turn them to recycle badges or whatever, unless I really need them.

[Poyonche]

Inb4 people go crazy during the next broadcast and attack Sakai.

[Raujinn]

Remember when SG was just going to be for cooldown timers? I'm glad one of the JP commenters also remembered this.

Anyway, people complaining is all fine and dandy, but there's always going to be the unaccounted silent majority. While I don't think I've seen a reaction to an update as bad as this one, its hard to tell what people generally think of this. I guess it's sorta telling that even the usual sycophants seem to be missing for this one though...

All that said, all it takes is 1% of the population to throw down cash on it and the system is potentially justified in their eyes.

[[Ayumi]]

Because purple is sega color.

Always thought it was blue like Sonic or their logo.

Or at least brown because lately they've been full of

[TaigaUC]

Well, I have barely seen anyone with the Falz outfits in-game.
Not many screenshots posted on MMOLoda either.

[Sirius-91]

SG shouold have never even existed in the first place. If people wanted to pay for something AC has already done it's job just fine, until SG popped out from some hell hole.

As I said on reddit and I'll say it on here

Free 2 Play.
Rather than spending money to actually put quality content, it'd be cheaper and 5x more profitable by adding SG's as another scratch option.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

SG shouold have never even existed in the first place. If people wanted to pay for something AC has already done it's job just fine, until SG popped out from some hell hole.

Only reason SG exists is to create the illusion that free player can benefit too. Nevermind the fact SG generation rates without paying AC are atrocious. Spending your free SG on this scratch is one thing, but don't give SEGA AC for SG; you'll damn us all.

Seriously, 75% of the complaining would stop if the crap was tradeable.

The other 25% would stop if SEGA would stop needlessly padding their fucking scratches with garbage. Especially when it is exp/rdr/meseta boosters, and fucking CC tickets when we get almost as much CC for free logging in every day. Seriously, how 'bout that 130+ item design contest winners scratch, or the fact we still don't have more subcategories for scratches, like 'Support items only', 'Revivals only', and 'New stuff only'.

I'm just especially salty about the latter point because SEGA done it twice, and I can see SEGA making money from doing that by making the odds of winning something you want/worth a damn less insurmountable. My proof? I would actually AC scratch for a change. That's money they're not getting right now.

[Yamishi]

All I wanted out of this was an Apprentice outfit.

Now I have two, on only five spins of the Scratch. Two identical ones.

What do I even do with the second one? :/

[Superia]

Sell it :wacko:

[Meteor Weapon]

To who? NPC's? Not even worth it. Sega didn't even thought about making a recycle shop for SG's. They sure didn't even planned this through lol.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

To who? NPC's? Not even worth it. Sega didn't even thought about making a recycle shop for SG's. They sure didn't even planned this through lol.

Do they ever? I want to see them bow their heads in apology in the coming stream for either their astounding lack of foresight, or shameless greed that predictably makes people spend even less money on the game when that was already a problem they felt the need to address directly.

I just cant stand seeing intentionally bad decisions being made for monetary reasons with no effort to even sell the players on it. They musta've known the moment 'trade restrictions', and that needlessly padded scratch list came up, people were bound to rip into them for it, right? They can't possibly be shocked people hate it, right...?

[Meteor Weapon]

I'm still wondering how many JP's hate the SG scratch and the overall update, if it's the minority amount then Sega wouldn't give a damn about it.

[Cyber Meteor]

Sega didn't even thought about making a recycle shop for SG's. They sure didn't even planned this through lol.

Oh i"m pretty sure they planned an up-coming SG recycle shop of some sort ans also new ways to get SG for free (looking at you "New Experience Free field gimmick"!!), they just purposely broke the whole feature into multiples coming updates and are going to put a few parts of what they planned here and there until it becomes complete or "what it should hnave been from the beginning" , like they're doing with story board, gathering and where you can spend your SG

[TaigaUC]

The sad thing is the lack of recycle was brought up when they announced the Falz scratch, and they still did nothing about it.

[oratank]

you have 6 month to get your free sg man don't rush into sega dead trap

[Kondibon]

http://i.imgur.com/z4GZI3N.jpg

[Cyber Meteor]

i would have replaced "better shoes" by "allow player to choose what they'll get from AC scratch instead of RNG" :wacko:

[Kondibon]

i would have replaced "better shoes" by "allow player to choose what they'll get from AC scratch instead of RNG" :wacko:The better shoes thing was a jab at Taiga. Honestly letting people get specifically what they want, while better for the buyers, has a negative impact on free players. But I guess they don't matter.

EDIT: that last sentence is sarcasm btw. Free player retention is actually super important for the health of f2p games.

[Poyonche]

The better shoes thing was a jab at Taiga. Honestly letting people get specifically what they want, while better for the buyers, has a negative impact on free players. But I guess they don't matter.

I was about to download your picture and replace the "good idea" guy's face with Taiga's avatar but then you said this. :wacko:

[isCasted]

Shoes suck, tho, and layered wear only adds injury to insult.

[Kondibon]

Shoes suck, tho, and layered wear only adds injury to insult.Whether or not the shoes suck specifically was kind of irrelevant. Yes it was a jab at people complaining about the shoes, but it was also just meant as a general "improve the stuff in the scratches" sort of thing. I was trying to be funny. :I

[[Ayumi]]

you have 6 month to get your free sg man don't rush into sega dead trap

How much SG do you think is obtainable for free in 6 months? Not a whole lot.

[Cyber Meteor]

I managed to get 160 SG in 2 months thanks to bingos with 4 chars :D, so 40 SG per char x3 for 6 months?

[[Ayumi]]

I managed to get 160 SG in 2 months thanks to bingos with 4 chars :D, so 40 SG per char x3 for 6 months?

I had around 290 when the scratch came, but what I mean is, when you hear people like Joyciec using over 1000 SG and barely got shit, how much you think even if you got 160 per month, that dont even reach to the 1000 mark.

[TaigaUC]

A playful jab, I hope.
At least I know I'm not the only one who finds the shoes ugly.
I also wouldn't let some greedy asshole CEO kick me out a window.

[Kondibon]

A playful jab, I hope.
At least I know I'm not the only one who finds the shoes ugly.
I also wouldn't let some greedy asshole CEO kick me out a window.Yeah, no offense meant. I actually agree about the shoes sometimes, i just don't feel as strongly about it I guess.

[Tenlade]

so 40 SG per char x3 for 6 months?
thats 3 scratches every 2 months, and it would be entirely possible to use all of those scratches and get nothign but ex and 120 cc tickets (ive already gotten 2 of those tickets) before the scratch expires, because random chance means you are not garunteed an item after x number of tries.

[Sonic Zero]

Instead of this garbage of scratch filled with filler, it could have been much better SG store similar to the ragol memory shop. Why I delude myself with the hope of catching persona combo.

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3817/1878/original.jpg

I do not care if the items is untradable, but at least had to be the player's choice.

[[Ayumi]]

A playful jab, I hope.
At least I know I'm not the only one who finds the shoes ugly.
I also wouldn't let some greedy asshole CEO kick me out a window.


Yeah, no offense meant. I actually agree about the shoes sometimes, i just don't feel as strongly about it I guess.

There were at least that I can recall, about 10 or so outfits I really wanted, but the footwear looked so stupid that I never got it.
Like one that I can easily remember was a full body suit with some kind of metallic footwear on. The default was around the same light colour as the footwear so I thought "Well, the black one would have darker shoe colours right?"
Nope. Same stupid white metallic colour and making it look stupid as hell.

Or some of the layered I MIGHT have picked up that had like sandals/flipflops/whatever you call them, or heels which.... I'm strongly against.

[TaigaUC]

I got carried away and made this:

http://i63.tinypic.com/2is6ts7.jpg

For fun, of course. No harm intended.
Who knows who really came up with these horrible ideas.
The real culprits probably intentionally hide from everyone.

Whoops, I messed up the box separation.

[Superia]

They killed him?

[TaigaUC]

Well, he's not director anymore~

[TaigaUC]

Expectations vs Reality

http://i67.tinypic.com/33af0ow.jpg

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWHn-RSIUAAdgEw.jpg

Couldn't find anymore particularly interesting ones.
I translated the Cyborg Ninja one.

[isCasted]

Ugh, those pictures make me feel again... They really need to do away with concept of face variants and just give us more freedom customizing eyes, noses and lips. Every time I see some anime characters adapted to PSO2 it always feels wrong.

Heck, characters from PSU and PSP2 look nothing like originals:
[spoiler-box]http://bumped.org/psublog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Karren-Erra-Costume.jpg
http://bumped.org/psublog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Ethan-Waber-Costume.jpg
http://www.bumped.org/psublog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Universe-Star-Collection-450x133.jpg[/spoiler-box]
Has anyone at SEGA ever wondered why one of their game's strongest points falls so flat even with their own creations?

[Meteor Weapon]

I managed to get 160 SG in 2 months thanks to bingos with 4 chars :D, so 40 SG per char x3 for 6 months?

No offense, but tbh your positiveness about this SG scratch is just kinda irritating to read. For a lot of people, it's expensive as hell and the whole low rate on getting the item makes it worse. Not everyone has the willingness to do all that bingo only to get crap in the end because of crap RNG rates.

[[Ayumi]]

http://i67.tinypic.com/33af0ow.jpg

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWHn-RSIUAAdgEw.jpg

Couldn't find anymore particularly interesting ones.
I translated the Cyborg Ninja one.

I don't understand the last one. All 3 look kind of bad.


Ugh, those pictures make me feel again... They really need to do away with concept of face variants and just give us more freedom customizing eyes, noses and lips. Every time I see some anime characters adapted to PSO2 it always feels wrong.

Heck, characters from PSU and PSP2 look nothing like originals:
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Has anyone at SEGA ever wondered why one of their game's strongest points falls so flat even with their own creations?

Is those official from Sega? Really?
I never tried, but I'm pretty sure I could make a face that looks like Karen.
I wouldn't need to do one for Ethan though, just take Zeno and give him thin ugly lips and remove his scar. There. Ethan.

[sparab]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWHn-RSIUAAdgEw.jpg


http://www.pso2-uploader.info/uploda/src/up190793.jpg

It's not that easy to recreate 2D characters with sega's sliders, can't blame people for trying.

[Cyber Meteor]

No offense, but tbh your positiveness about this SG scratch is just kinda irritating to read. For a lot of people, it's expensive as hell and the whole low rate on getting the item makes it worse. Not everyone has the willingness to do all that bingo only to get crap in the end because of crap RNG rates.

I never talked about SG scratch, I was just responding to someone asking how many SG could be acquired in 6 months, nothing more nothing less. Half of what i got was indeed via bingos, the other half combined title rewards, campaign/compensation rewards, and just a few from bonus quests and recent login bonus. So yeah, i'm perfectly aware how hard it is to get SG for free, that not everyone want to do that and that the RNG factor on this scratch + cost with this current state for SG is just repulsive. Needing 2 months, 4 chars, doing every bingo on every side on each one, getting all possible titles that could give SG and such.... to end up having only 2 tries on somthing with a a 1.6% rate of getting it or even 0.8%........ you'll spend that only if you're crazy or don't care about making those SG actually useful, and we barely got any useful option atm for them, or maybe EQ triggers, but not for every EQ and only 1 if you don't buy SG, so...... later maybe xD. I haven't used the SG on the scratch myself and would advice anyone to NOT try it before some revelant changes happen in the future as it's very likely something will change with all the complains from JP players, and if no change happens, only do it if you have nothing else to spend on a bit before it expires AND you're desperate to try to get what you want from it, because seeing ppl spending over 1200 SG on the scratch and not getting what they want....... no, just NO!!:-o

[Kiboune]

my 1st SG scratch
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too bad we can't change colors of these costumes

[TaigaUC]

Persona looks like he/she is facepalming.

[[Ayumi]]

Persona looks like he/she is facepalming.

He isn't? I thought it was implying that.

[itsbao93]

I wonder if they realize that they are supposed to make revenue seeing as this game is dependent on it to keep the servers up. They need to stop this lol.

[Jei182]

At least with the update PSO2es users will have one more way to get additional Star Gems for free by logging in daily. It probably won't matter that much but it's something at least.

[yoshiblue]

;3382133']He isn't? I thought it was implying that.Nope, just channeling his inner Vega.

[Zyrusticae]

http://i.imgur.com/D0N18Rp.jpg (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=57536998)

[Cyber Meteor]

Come on, everyone want that dark falz logo sticker, she can't be crying after that :wacko:

(This should be the warning message in-game before confirming the scratch :p)

[Poyonche]

So full of hope, I decided to scratch again with the free SG I got.

And i got this wonderful : EX Triboost +50% ! Amazing !

Considering how much people want those DF outfits, we might see soon : "Those 5 methods to obtain SG make SEGA angry ! The THIRD one will AMAZE you, click now !" :wacko:

[Vatallus]

Ex booster with my last 80 SG. Oh boy mengs high rolls today.

[Sirius-91]

http://pso2.jp/players/support/measures/?id=9199&page=1

Yesssssssssssssssssssssss

[Xaeris]

40.


...You know what? I'll still call it a win.

[Zyrusticae]

They basically cut the SG scratch cost in half with that one.

Unless you get shit luck and roll triboosts all the damn time. That's kind of ass.

[Xaeris]

Oh, "forty" isn't in reference to a nerf to the cost of scratching. It's forty SG items to recycle for a specific item.

[Raujinn]

It's more than I thought they'd do, but the system is still pretty shitty for those gunning after a specific costume who aren't willing to spend extra money for the pleasure. It does however make their targets more obtainable if they're abusing all the free avenues they can.

[TheszNuts]

40 SG items = 3200 SG

[Zyrusticae]

Oh, "forty" isn't in reference to a nerf to the cost of scratching. It's forty SG items to recycle for a specific item.
That's what I said.

If you roll an outfit or voice ticket or whatever, it's 40 SG back, which is pretty much the same thing as cutting the cost in half.

If you don't get lucky, however, you only get 5 or 25 SG back, which leaves you shit outta luck.

[TaigaUC]

Still shows they didn't really think about this stuff beforehand.
If I read correctly, it says they won't implement it until August.
Enjoy having your bags filled with trash for two months.

Oh, and I see you can't trade back stuff like 120 Casino Coins.
That's real swell.

[Cyber Meteor]

It's a SG recycle shop it seems, all the Falz-related item can be exchanged for 40 SG, while triboost +150% can be exchanged for 5 SG, and there is that 25 SG idk what it is. Also this recycle shop will be available from 8/10 to 12/14.

[Xaeris]

Oh, okay, I misunderstood Google Translate's output then.

[FANSean]

yeah wait google translate is saying that you need to recycle SG items for it. is it that or ca you just straight buy them with sg now? the latter kind of invalidates sg scratch entirely so i'd guess it's the former?

[TaigaUC]

Huh? It says you can recycle those items for a limited time from the recycle shop, starting from the 10th of August.
As in, if you have the item, you can get the listed SG back by recycling it.
Meaning if you pay 80 SG, and get 120 Casino Coins, well.... then you just wasted 80 SG, didn't you.

And if I recall correctly, "創者の証" is the matterboard thing that you exchange for the legendary weapon camos.

[sparab]

Some JP people seem happy about these SG recycle rate, since they have already spent a few 10 thousands on the scratch itself.


And if I recall correctly, "創者の証" is the matterboard thing that you exchange for the legendary weapon camos.

It is a matterboard thing that trades into non-disposable garbage that stuffs your storage forever, just like cast arms and legs.

[SteveCZ]

Finally something. Get ready to clean up the mess I guess.

[Chris_Chocobo]

I did my first SG Scratch today. Got an [Apprentice] Costume Shadow. Im a guy -.- if they were tradeable at least...

[wefwq]

I did my first SG Scratch today. Got an [Apprentice] Costume Shadow. Im a guy -.- if they were tradeable at least...
There's SG recycle shop coming, but i hope you willing to scratch more since the cheapest item in lineup cost 5 SG scratch items.

[Kokurokoki]

Uhh... so why isn't SEGA looking at Warframe's F2P model and doing something like that?

Oh right... they actually don't give a fuck about their game anymore.

*Fights brown bears and dinosaurs*

[Sirius-91]

Uhh... so why isn't SEGA looking at Warframe's F2P model and doing something like that?

Oh right... they actually don't give a fuck about their game anymore.

*Fights brown bears and dinosaurs*

Japanese companies can be very stubborn to change, especially SEGA. They'll change small things and hope people will buy into it. The shit JP companies pull wouldn't see the light of day here.

[TaigaUC]

I thought it was obvious from the start of PSO2 that SEGA doesn't really look at other games when they design stuff.
And I'm not just saying that. I've had that thought many times over the years.

They probably have brainstorming sessions where they go, "hey, some game has this system!" and they don't even look at the game for reference.

[Chris_Chocobo]

There's SG recycle shop coming, but i hope you willing to scratch more since the cheapest item in lineup cost 5 SG scratch items.

I did with the free SG by login. Im not going to pay for this. Also the Recycle shop ask for 40 SG items in exchange for a single item. Still abusive. Its not that hard to make them tradeable :S

[Shoterxx]

So, in order to get a costume from SG Recycle Shop, you need to spend 3200 SG. In login bonuses, that's... 4 years and 140 days.

wat

EDIT: Oh yeah, let's not forget, that's only if you login EVERY day for the next 4 years and 140 days on both PSO2 and PSO2es.

[Zysets]

I feel like I'm in the minority when it comes to Episode 4 as a whole, because I love the new areas, the new enemies, and all that. Collection Files are pretty good at giving me an incentive to keep playing every week, and despite the fact that basewear is tickets only, I've still had fun with it.

On the other hand, the SG Scratch is just BAD. I'd be more okay with it if the items weren't untradable. I don't want any of the items since the only DF outfit I'd want would be Luther's, so I don't see why I'd ever feel like wasting Star Gems on it. What's the point anyways? To get people to pay for scratches? People have to pay for scratches anyways for any of the items to get on the player markets. I don't get it?

[TaigaUC]

Still feels like there isn't much to do in episode 4. Need lots more boss fights.
They could really just add the PSO2ES bosses and I'd be happy for a while.

[ZerotakerZX]

Still feels like there isn't much to do in episode 4. Need lots more boss fights.
They could really just add the PSO2ES bosses and I'd be happy for a while.

does it have unique bosses?

[Zeroem]

Did mine today, just to see how bad it was. Got Apprentice voice ticket. Still didn't use it because while others do say that it was a steal, not really a fan of her voice. Especially since it was [Apprentice] I's voice.

Looking at the SG recycle shop, that is a step forward, but didn't save the SG scratch from its 'bottom-tier' level. Low-gain rate + heavy scratch cost + abysmal rate + abysmal recycle cost : just bleh.


does it have unique bosses?

Well, es got human enemies that can transform into superior version of rare boss enemies. Other than that; just recolor, size, and moveset variations of rare boss enemies

[TaigaUC]

does it have unique bosses?

All EQ bosses have a random chance to be berserk (moves/attacks much faster, less HP), large, small, elemental, Type-C.
Elemental versions include poison Banther, lightning Wolgarda, lightning Ragne. They have new colors and apply those debuffs.
Type-C is a black/red variation with slightly new movesets and red projectiles. For example, after certain attacks, projectile pillars or spreads shoot out.

Aside from that, there are also Type-C versions of regular enemies, which are much tougher to beat.
And the aforementioned humans turning into bosses. No unique new models, I think.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

All EQ bosses have a random chance to be berserk (moves/attacks much faster, less HP), large, small, elemental, Type-C.
Elemental versions include poison Banther, lightning Wolgarda, lightning Ragne. They have new colors and apply those debuffs.
Type-C is a black/red variation with slightly new movesets and red projectiles. For example, after certain attacks, projectile pillars or spreads shoot out.

Aside from that, there are also Type-C versions of regular enemies, which are much tougher to beat.
And the aforementioned humans turning into bosses. No unique new models, I think.

I'll take it. Sounds interesting (at least more interesting than pso2). Only time our same ol bosses in PSO2 suddenly get some type variety is when they have max-level infection.

[TaigaUC]

It is.

So, I finally earned enough Star Gems to try SG scratch once. Took about a month, thanks to the bonus crap we got.
Figured I don't use them on anything else anyway, wanted to try my luck.

Got a +75% EXP ticket.

Yessss! Totally worth logging in every day for a month.

[Lumpen Thingy]

Japanese companies can be very stubborn to change, especially SEGA. They'll change small things and hope people will buy into it. The shit JP companies pull wouldn't see the light of day here.

looks at any game under nexon.......KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KK

[Superia]

Did Sega ever mention whether or not the "SG Recycle" thing would let you choose the variants of the costumes, or only the originals?

[Altiea]

Saved up enough SG for a second pull and got Persona (M) in white. So now Rei's Support Partner, Orpheus Telos, is the classiest character in my roster.

Grabbed a 100 SG bonus from the stream event to pull again. I got... an EX RDR Ticket. (Insert voice clip shouting "DISAPPOINTED!")

[sea1111]

very helpful thread.. thanks alot

[TaigaUC]

Tried again, got a 50% Triboost.
This is turning out exactly as I expected.

[Shinamori]

I pulled and got apprentice damaged suit.

[Poyonche]

I got a Special Ability Attack Fusion. +15 in all attacks and some random number in dex.

Well... I would have prefered my traditionnal booster. :wacko:

[Raujinn]

So far,Dark Persona Coat (M) :c, some voice ticket, some music disc, some accessory and 2 EX triboosters.

Well thats 6/40 items before I might get something I actually want (as the earlier poster points out, Im not sure they said if you'd be able to pick your color variation, so it might just be the basic variations you can get in the shop).

I'm glad I got an outfit and it's a good one, but it's also the opposite to what I actually want lol.

[Meteor Weapon]

SEGAC you funny guy.

https://scontent-kul1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13680666_1215647405126407_6595167124835384374_n.jp g?oh=cbaf86a93fbeb7c76c0ecde015dd4240&oe=582DD4EB

[Vatallus]

Last 3 scratches have been EX boosters. Glad I haven't paid for any of this.

[Sirius-91]

Last 3 scratches have been EX boosters. Glad I haven't paid for any of this.
Least they stack with the other boosters, unless you use the AC 300% RDR and 150% triboosters.

[ShinSeiryuu]

39851
never paid for SG,just did a bit of Sg farming on costumes here and then,first scratch,Apprentice battle suit get ,guess it was my lucky day

[PokeminMaster]

I got the [Persona] Battle Suit in purple which is... moderately acceptable

I'll hold onto that, but continue to work on getting as many Star Gems as I can. I think I'll wait until December to try it any more, just in case I need a ton of Star Gems for some as-of-yet unseen feature

[TaigaUC]

3rd try, 75% EXP.
I'd be crying instead of laughing if I actually spent real money on this bullshit.
At the same time, I should be celebrating that I'm psychic.

[Meteor Weapon]

...really sega?

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[Poyonche]

Add Special Ability Attack Fusion and Attack Transfer.

I would like to thanks my mom and my dad because without them, I would not be here, I could not live this wonderful moment when you get those wonderful items from those wonderful scratch. Thanks mom and dad, you rock !

fuck you sega

[Raujinn]

I got a hairstyle. Don't care which, cause it's going in the "get me the thing that I actually want" pile.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I'm the real winner here for not using my free SG on this scratch at all.

Yay me!

[isCasted]

Waiting for something actually useful to spend SG on.