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ArcaneTechs
Jun 24, 2016, 06:31 PM
http://pso2.jp/players/support/measures/?id=9199

So in case some of you don't know and are part of the "I didn't get what I wanted" from the Star Gem Scratch (Dark Falz Ruler), they'll be adding a Recycle portion for this so that we have some sort of outlet to get rid of the unwanted stuff from it. Here are the trade values (laughable):

トライブースト+150%

5個
創者の証

25個
【巨躯】戦闘衣

40個
【仮面】戦闘衣M

40個
【若人】戦闘衣

40個
【仮面】戦闘衣F

40個
【巨躯】ヘアー

40個
【仮面】ヘアー

40個
【若人】ヘアー

40個
【若人】バイザー

40個
悔恨の【仮面】

40個
ダークファルスサイン

40個
男性共通【巨躯】ボイス

40個
男性共通【仮面】ボイス

40個
女性共通【仮面】ボイス

40個
女性共通【若人】ボイス

Recycle Patches seem to count toward these as well.

Enjoy :wacko:

Massaki
Jun 24, 2016, 07:00 PM
While this is a step in the right direction, the last phrase about Recycle Badges might be something akin to the likes of:

- A new type of Recycle Badge being implemented, relevant only to SG Scratch items.

Using the old Recycle Badges would just be too good to be true (it would revitalize the Recycle Badge market tho).

sparab
Jun 24, 2016, 08:35 PM
Spend roughly 12000 AC for a guaranteed DF suit.

THANK YOU SAGE

pkemr4
Jun 24, 2016, 09:25 PM
still terrible

SteveCZ
Jun 24, 2016, 09:43 PM
At least this one can throw away the garbage better than 10 - 100 meseta.

Sirius-91
Jun 24, 2016, 09:50 PM
SEGA wants you to spend more to get 1 item less. GG SEGA, you super greedy now.

SteveCZ
Jun 24, 2016, 09:57 PM
SEGA wants you to spend more to get 1 item less. GG SEGA, you super greedy now.

I kind of agree on this but oh well, it's not like this SG scratch is well expected anyway in the first place. Just gonna stick with AC scratch. :/

Agastya
Jun 25, 2016, 12:23 AM
"wow theres nothing to do with this item i don't want"

"okay here's a way to get some sg back so you can try again sooner"

"what do you MEAN i don't get a full refund, you greedy fucks, go die"

Sirius-91
Jun 25, 2016, 12:43 AM
"wow theres nothing to do with this item i don't want"

"okay here's a way to get some sg back so you can try again sooner"

"what do you MEAN i don't get a full refund, you greedy fucks, go die"

You don't get SG back, you lose out on SG.

Poyonche
Jun 25, 2016, 03:58 AM
【巨躯】戦闘衣 this recycles for 40SG and not 25

創者の証 and this for 25

Triboost recycles for 5SG.

Or maybe I Just misunderstood your way to show that, as I Just woke up. :wacko:

wefwq
Jun 25, 2016, 06:00 AM
"wow theres nothing to do with this item i don't want"

"okay here's a way to get some sg back so you can try again sooner"

"what do you MEAN i don't get a full refund, you greedy fucks, go die"
Man, you're dumb.
People of course don't expect equal exchange ratio, but this recycle exchange rate legit horrible.
The most pricey recycle item is equal to 3200SG, and that's only for 1 (one) item.

Agastya
Jun 25, 2016, 08:39 AM
yeah i was under the impression that it was trading in items for a trace amount of sg not trading in 40 items for one item

i had faith in sega for a moment, my mistake

AlphaBlob
Jun 25, 2016, 08:45 AM
If only you could sell those items in the player shop... Then everything would be fixed and no one would have a problem with it.

Superia
Jun 25, 2016, 10:12 AM
Oh. I had read it as "Recycle these items -> get this number of SG in return (indirectly reducing the cost of the scratch)". But you guys are saying it is actually like trading x number of items that you obtain from the SG scratch to get just one that you want?

noobcombo
Jun 25, 2016, 10:13 AM
While this is a step in the right direction, the last phrase about Recycle Badges might be something akin to the likes of:

- A new type of Recycle Badge being implemented, relevant only to SG Scratch items.

Using the old Recycle Badges would just be too good to be true (it would revitalize the Recycle Badge market tho).

I hope you're wrong about this, but I can see a lot of good coming from it using AC Recycle Badges. Like you said, revitalized recycle badge market would be a thing. At current prices, just flat out using badges would make each outfit and pieces between 6-10 mil. You're looking at 18-30 million meseta per outfit. For me that's infinitely more easy to deal with then the tremendous cash price they're trying to sell this stuff at.

I see that equating to a ton of burned meseta (the fact all the junk is account bound means its meseta removed from the economy), more lucrative AC scratching, and most importantly, a way for the game to not have such draconian systems for oldass untradable aesthetics.

Maninbluejumpsuit
Jun 25, 2016, 11:33 AM
yeah i was under the impression that it was trading in items for a trace amount of sg not trading in 40 items for one item

Same here, and lol SEGA.

I mean damn it's amazingly easy to make your consumers somewhat happy, but nooooooooooooooope.

Items coulda've been tradable/sellable in the first place.
Items coulda've given a reasonable flat amount of SG for turning them in
But nooooooooooooooooo. They just had to go with the option that requires you to scratch 40 times for a costume you want. Odds are you'd probably scratch into the item you before then anyway!

I mean damn, do they hate their customers?

MightyHarken
Jun 25, 2016, 12:16 PM
I want an SG market that doesn't imply RNG. Untill then, I'm keeping my 84 free SG's

SteveCZ
Jun 25, 2016, 01:01 PM
The triboosts aren't bad for the SG. I'll use it for those, when I'm out of stock of other triboosts. :D

IchijinKali
Jun 25, 2016, 01:41 PM
Wait so does that also include boosters as part of the item trade count? Not that using the boosters in this type of trade would be a good idea because at least they are good for something unlike doubles of the ugly blue Apprentice outfit.

Zyrusticae
Jun 25, 2016, 02:01 PM
Oh. It's 40 items trade-in for the item you want? Like other posters said, I thought it was trade in 1 item for that amount of SG.

This is incredibly stupid. WTF, SEGA?

ShinMegamiSensei
Jun 25, 2016, 02:19 PM
People have spent over 100$ and not gotten the thing they want. This is just a backup plan so you can get something for the money you wasted. Better than not having it.

Tari
Jun 25, 2016, 03:38 PM
Yep, this is pretty much solely to keep the whales appeased after they've spent hundreds and not gotten a single thing they want. A freemium player won't even be able to hit 40 items within the scratch period.. more like 15 scratches at most, not counting the SGs awarded from bingo/etc.

gabor100
Jun 25, 2016, 03:54 PM
So 40SG items for 1 item what you want? How much AC would it cost to "buy" 40SG items?

Tournesol
Jun 25, 2016, 04:41 PM
So 40SG items for 1 item what you want? How much AC would it cost to "buy" 40SG items?

200 iirc

Poyonche
Jun 25, 2016, 05:13 PM
So it would be... A common AC Scratch, right ?

Tenlade
Jun 25, 2016, 05:27 PM
would a free player even get 40 scratches on this thing before it expires? if you scrounged every single gem, gathered every single login bonus, recycled every single item you scratched, would you even come close to reaching the amount of gems to scratch this 40 times?

Maninbluejumpsuit
Jun 25, 2016, 05:35 PM
would a free player even get 40 scratches on this thing before it expires? if you scrounged every single gem, gathered every single login bonus, recycled every single item you scratched, would you even come close to reaching the amount of gems to scratch this 40 times?

Don't forget we can get SG for CC.

I think it was 20k CC for 20 SG! :wacko:

TaigaUC
Jun 25, 2016, 07:12 PM
Oh... you're right. I didn't read the title of that section.
It's xx of that item to get what you want.
So, 40 SG scratch items for an outfit. I wonder if that includes the 120 Casino Coins.

wefwq
Jun 25, 2016, 11:27 PM
So it would be... A common AC Scratch, right ?

Well it's still end up more pricey just because of the fact of it's horrible %, and untradeable so you can't just sell stuff you don't want and use the money to get stuff you want from the other.

Rehal
Jun 26, 2016, 02:48 AM
So 40SG items for 1 item what you want? How much AC would it cost to "buy" 40SG items?

1 SG = 5 AC with no bonus
40 SG items = 40x80 = 3200 SG = 16000 AC
With bonus SG for purchasing in bulk it should be around 11k AC I think, don't really remember.

Shiyo
Jun 26, 2016, 05:28 AM
Why were star gems added?
Didn't we already have "free" currency and "cash shop" currency why did we need a "cash shop free currency" mix?

TaigaUC
Jun 26, 2016, 05:57 AM
So roughly $160 for an outfit. No thanks.

They probably felt Arks Cash didn't sound magical enough, and wanted that extra layer to confuse people and get them to spend more.
Or something.

Poyonche
Jun 26, 2016, 06:42 AM
Maybe the next step is to add Star Fragment and when you get 10 Star Fragment, you get 1 Star Gem.
Each Star Fragment would cost 100AC.
But to be able to buy Star Fragment, you would need Premium.

:wacko:

SteveCZ
Jun 26, 2016, 06:52 AM
Maybe the next step is to add Star Fragment and when you get 10 Star Fragment, you get 1 Star Gem.
Each Star Fragment would cost 100AC.
But to be able to buy Star Fragment, you would need Premium.

:wacko:

Has expiry date if they are not turned into Star Gem within a week. Any odd number will perish if not traded. Ha!

Raujinn
Jun 26, 2016, 06:54 AM
I feel like I'm using every avenue I can to get stargems and I'm at about 13 SG/day. So the grand total if I were to keep that up til Dec 18th would be 2,262 gems.

I somehow doubt the new methods they add down the line would cover the remaining 1338 gems.

If I'm doing my math right and as it works out at 28 attempts, for a given female Falz costume I have a ~35% chance of getting the item I want via attempts.

100 * (1 - (1 - 0.01562)^28 )

For the 40 attempts, it's

100 * (1 - (1 - 0.01562)^40) = 46.72... so roughly 47%.

That's the chance of getting it at least once from all those attempts, not per go. That's always 1.562%.

wefwq
Jun 26, 2016, 08:30 AM
Why were star gems added?
Didn't we already have "free" currency and "cash shop" currency why did we need a "cash shop free currency" mix?
AC are strictly cash-only, maybe to limit people to buy premium.
FUN are easy as hell to get nowadays, if it used to replicate current SG system no one will cash in and SEGA get their own shit handed on them by everyone this way.
CC are well, it's used for casino strictly hence the name alone, same as CM.

They can make AC obtainable through someway but they probably don't want people to get to use other paid feature for free, that's probably why SG born.
Oh, and ability to obtaining AC for absolutely no fee may lead into rise of RMT activity, RMT BOT ID, or even "reset marathon" depend on how it work.

IchijinKali
Jun 26, 2016, 09:38 AM
Why were star gems added?
Didn't we already have "free" currency and "cash shop" currency why did we need a "cash shop free currency" mix?

Simple SEGA needed a currency that would take free players forever to get a decent amount and be only slightly faster as Prem member. This way it would be easy to convince people to start buying this currency whose use is very limited but be something players believe they suddenly need alot of, i.e. untradable exclusive fashion items.

This is why the SG scratch is the way it is with the filler, untradeable items, the possibility of getting doubles, and now the laughable recycle exchange rate.

Tenlade
Jun 26, 2016, 09:44 AM
Why were star gems added?
Didn't we already have "free" currency and "cash shop" currency why did we need a "cash shop free currency" mix?

because
1: they dont want to give away arks cash and have people earning free premium or such.
2: its not 1:1 cost for yen to gem, which is what you do when you want to obscure prices when people try to figure out how much to buy.

I hope this is thier peak with mobile f2p stuff, or else we'll one day be seeing a boss drop locked 13*s that require a key bought with stargems to unlock.

ShinMegamiSensei
Jun 26, 2016, 12:57 PM
err, its not like theyre making you pay 160$ for a costume. It's if you managed to blow that much anyway trying to get it, and failed due to the bad rates. You can get it before then.

But I guess it's better to you guys that this trade shop doesn't exist and the whales get nothing for their money that they've already spent. :rolleyes:

Sandmind
Jun 26, 2016, 01:39 PM
If we turn this around, Sega might leave the SG scratch recycle open and simple update it whever they switch SG scrath over the year until PSO2 is closed. Not the best thing in the world, but at least the stuff would be permanently advaible without a need for revival.

IchijinKali
Jun 26, 2016, 02:14 PM
err, its not like theyre making you pay 160$ for a costume. It's if you managed to blow that much anyway trying to get it, and failed due to the bad rates. You can get it before then.

But I guess it's better to you guys that this trade shop doesn't exist and the whales get nothing for their money that they've already spent. :rolleyes:

I've spent $80 getting SG with the sole purpose of getting an Elder outfit. I managed to get it. But let me ask you was that recycle announced with or after the SG scratch had been released?

Now of all the things you had gotten from that scratch how many of them did you use already? I don't know about you but every ticket I got I already used once I decided who gets it because we can't trade these items. Finally how many boosters and CC exchange did you get? Because those have never been allowed to be exchanged in the AC recycle despite getting them from there just like grind risk reducers.

So at the end of it all I have about 6 items I can exchange meaning I can only get a triboost and nothing else. This recycle exchange rate is so much of a joke it is not even funny.

Superia
Jun 26, 2016, 02:49 PM
err, its not like theyre making you pay 160$ for a costume. It's if you managed to blow that much anyway trying to get it, and failed due to the bad rates. You can get it before then.

These are items that a good portion of the player base has been looking forward to since they saw them however many years ago. They took what is probably the most anticipated group of items that there ever will be in the game, and made it an expensive, low-return gamble. That is what scratch always is, except unlike AC/FUN, you have to beat the RNG solo due to trading restrictions. Without mentioning that it is nigh impossible for free players to rack up enough SG to get favorable odds with this, even buying relatively high amounts of AC does little to alleviate the inherent problems.


But I guess it's better to you guys that this trade shop doesn't exist and the whales get nothing for their money that they've already spent. :rolleyes:

Ad Hominem is generally not my style, but are you actually an idiot or just being sarcastic to such a degree that I have missed it? No one thinks that we are better off without the option to trade in the useless items, but instead that the rates are shit and that the system is shit. Is this difficult to understand?

gabor100
Jun 26, 2016, 03:00 PM
err, its not like theyre making you pay 160$ for a costume.

If i would have 160$ that i could blow away, i would make a deal with you. If i get the Apprentice costume(original color) before 160$ i'lll give you the rest of the money, but if it costs more you pay it.

ShinMegamiSensei
Jun 26, 2016, 04:53 PM
Ad Hominem is generally not my style, but are you actually an idiot or just being sarcastic to such a degree that I have missed it? No one thinks that we are better off without the option to trade in the useless items, but instead that the rates are shit and that the system is shit. Is this difficult to understand?
Stop treating it as the only way to get the item then. (Not directed at you specifically). Yes, the rates are absolutely horrible, but it's something, when otherwise you'd have gotten absolutely nothing with 40 scratches before this shop was announced. I'm just taking issue with those that are treating this shop like that's the goal, to get 40 items. It's for those that scratched 40 items anyway using this shitty system. I wish it was lower too, I have clone characters that need apprentice wear, but RIP me. _(:3/

TaigaUC
Jun 26, 2016, 05:00 PM
@SMS
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said spending $160 was the only way.
We all know there's a very small chance to get it before you spend $160.
You think we're so stupid that we don't know that? Why do we need to state the obvious?

And don't give me "I guess you would prefer this system didn't exist!"
I never said that either.
You may as well have said "you should be glad you're not a starving child in Ethiopia!"
You could say that to any problem in the world. It's still irrelevant and means nothing.

The fact is they did a bad job initially, and this recycling isn't great either.
That doesn't mean we should bend over and celebrate.

There's no point in comparing with how things "could be worse". It means you are satisfied.
Improvements can only be achieved by a person who thinks about how things could be better.

ShinMegamiSensei
Jun 26, 2016, 05:08 PM
quote
Err, I don't know what you even said. I just saw the calcs for how much it'd cost.

TaigaUC
Jun 26, 2016, 05:10 PM
I'm the one who said "So it's about $160 for an outfit? No thanks."

Obviously I am basing that off my garbage luck.
Getting 40 bad rolls is a very likely scenario, especially with those rates.

Everyone knows how the rolls work. I don't think we need to keep repeating it.
If I did repeat it, you know someone around here would whine that I'm beating a dead horse.
So you should be assuming that for any discussion about this, people have already factored in the small chance of success.

In general, I am not a fan of how online games handle virtual goods.
In real life, if you want a damn shirt, you can just go to the shop and buy one for a set price.
You don't need to gamble a huge amount of money for a chance to get the shirt in the color you want, for the gender you want.

Yes, I know virtual goods are not the same as real life goods. But you are still paying real life money for stuff you don't want.
If there was no ability to recycle, you could spend an infinite amount of money and never get what you want.
And there are other factors, such as, when the game service ends, or if SEGA decides to block you, your purchased goods disappear forever.

I think I had one other good point, but I'm tired and forgot what it was.

ShinMegamiSensei
Jun 26, 2016, 05:21 PM
Well, I'm just gonna go ahead and apologize, I was misunderstood, and/or I can't convey what I am trying to say properly, haha. I'm agreeing with all of you, it sucks. Can't really defend sega with this mobage type stuff. I just see it as, before we had a terrible scratch, now we have a terrible scratch with something you can get if you put enough into it. I am not saying to praise sega, lol... But I'm stating the obvious and I apologize.

I wasn't replying to your post, Taiga. It seems we were both replying to the same detail, about how much it'd cost to get 40 SG items with AC.

tl;dr i hate it as much as everyone else :v sorry.

TaigaUC
Jun 26, 2016, 05:24 PM
I didn't really want you to apologize. Don't worry about it.
I'm sure I've misread or assumed some things here and there as well.

Sorry for sounding mean in my reply. Tired right now and kinda grumpy.

And you don't necessarily need to agree.
Nothing wrong with disagreeing if you have a good argument.

Superia
Jun 26, 2016, 06:06 PM
Stop treating it as the only way to get the item then. (Not directed at you specifically). Yes, the rates are absolutely horrible, but it's something, when otherwise you'd have gotten absolutely nothing with 40 scratches before this shop was announced. I'm just taking issue with those that are treating this shop like that's the goal, to get 40 items. It's for those that scratched 40 items anyway using this shitty system. I wish it was lower too, I have clone characters that need apprentice wear, but RIP me. _(:3/

Not the only way, you say? Suppose I want the damaged apprentice visor (which I do). With a .781% pull rate, 40 tries gives me less than a 27% chance of getting it. The other 73% of the time, it is faster to exchange for it. 40 items (assuming they allow all SG items to count, which is not assured) is the goal. Do you understand?

Edit: Actually you clarified in a later post.

Shiyo
Jun 27, 2016, 03:34 AM
I still don't understand why star gems and another scratch exists.

I mean, I do get it, they want to squeeze as much money out of us as humanly possible,but can't they do it in a more subtle way? scumbags.

Crystal_Shard
Jun 27, 2016, 05:12 AM
Eh, it's quite simple really. Episode 4 is actually Sega's 12 year plan, and they want to complete the transformation of the company into ESC-A before the troublesome ARKs start showing up to blow their shit up. SG is a promotion of their new subsidiary SaGi Co. that will eventually grow into Mother Cluster ****. It's all according to keikaku. /s