The Challenge Mode has some kind of secret code or what?

[Korima]

I wanted to play a little before go to work, so I decided to play that.

I found a multiparty with eight people that was full in a few minutes.

Then I went down with the teleporter with the other eleven players.

1 minute passed

2 minutes passed.

Nobody was talking so... I decided to turn on the teleporter.

2 people left

Okay... let's stop the teleporter.

Wait a bit more until until the multi party is full again.

It is! 12 people now let's play!

5 minutes passed, nobody activated the teleporter.

So... I decided to activate it again.

3 people left.

Stop the teleporter

Waiting again with 12 people and nobody activates the teleporter

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS.

[final_attack]

Well, people need to assign roles 1st ......

Here for CM 1 (http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?227403-Challenge-Quest-1-Mission-1-10-Tips-and-Strategies-(added-tagger-video-by-Firesword)&highlight=Challenge)
Here for CM 2 (http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?230141-Challenge-Quest-2-Mission-1-5-Tips-and-Strategies-WIP-(M1-3-done)&highlight=Challenge)

No role assignment = better not running it imo.
Since it can be pretty hectic.

[Dammy]

yeah , people will leave , its always been like that , its your fault for not knowing

[Altiea]

Challenge Mode etiquette is very different from standard play etiquette. It tends to take a significant amount of time for any mission to start at all, since everyone has to confirm, then divvying up major roles, and if you play Beginner Block, people telling other people how to CQ. This can take about or more than an hour.

[TaigaUC]

I think it's also SEGA's fault for not having some kind of GUI that lets people volunteer for roles or something.
They designed CQ in such a way that these kinds of problems occur.
Remember when CQ first showed up in PSO2 and nobody knew roles were needed? People had to figure it out the hard way.
As far as I know, nothing in the game implies that assiging roles is necessary. There's no precedent, either.

As when we first did CQ, a bunch of new people are going to keep trying CQ without knowing what to expect.
SEGA are the only people who can make management easier in their own game, and they choose not to.
We're already doing everything we can from our side.

If I was SEGA, I'd do something like this:
Have Challenge Quest role training courses to teach people the roles.
And then, when you try to do a Challenge Quest, a window appears that lets you tick roles that you're capable of handling.
By a specified time limit, if nobody has ticked a role, the game gives a warning and says "vital role missing". That would give people an idea of why they're not starting.
If multiple people are capable of handling a single role, they'll be given a short time limit to concede the role (so as to decide who will do it).
When that timer runs out, if there's still more than one person who refuses to concede the role, the game randomly chooses one of the remaining people.
If a person assigned to that role disconnects, the window will reappear at the next interval.

Of course, it wouldn't be necessary to follow the above system to the letter, but I'm sure it'd go a long way towards guiding players.

[Macmaxi]

you dont need roles, thats why they didnt put them there.

[Korima]

Okay I understand all that.

Then why the the hell they are stand out like zombies without saying a single a word? and if I activate the teleporter, why they don't say nothing about that too instead of leaving? I don't mind to stop that, but well I can't blame the game for that because the problem is from the japanese players.

It seems japanese people don't want any kind of conflict and I saw this in other games, for example I play a lot of fighting games and when I enter in a room with people from for example Brazil and the connection is awful because they live too far, they kick me and I understand that because the match will be unplyable for both
But when I enter in japanese room where the japanese player is the host, the japanese players instead of kicking me, they leave the room, it is like they will think I will be mad at them if they kick me.

[Shiyo]

you dont need roles, thats why they didnt put them there.

My exact thoughts.
Just another case of people completely blowing anything moderately "challenging" out of proportion and needing 5 hours of pre-emptive set up for it. Just what.

[Macmaxi]

online players are shy so they dont like to interact with random people. thats not limited to certain countries, there will always only be a few people who start talking, once someone starts a conversation its easier for others to join in. this is basic stuff.


you are probably imagining that they leave because of you, unless you talk english in chat that is generally not really liked by them.

[Altiea]

It's not that the roles are strictly necessary, it's just that it's less work for everyone else, who can focus on taking down the bosses and stuff. It also helps people avoid getting in each others way and to prevent newer players from running around like decapitated chickens picking up and interacting with stuff willy nilly that they aren't supposed to touch.

I don't think SEGA would try formulating a roles system, since the roles are community-designed and community-implemented. They aren't an official part of the CQ structure.

[wefwq]

Then why the the hell they are stand out like zombies without saying a single a word? and if I activate the teleporter, why they don't say nothing about that too instead of leaving? I don't mind to stop that, but well I can't blame the game for that because the problem is from the japanese players.
They generally shy and easly feel awkward among other people they don't know, hell few of us here maybe feel the same.
You're more than lucky if ONE of them decide to break the ice by staring casual conversation and make MPA felt lot more friendlier and talkative.

If you can into Japanese, maybe you should do that in case no one do the talking.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I think it's also SEGA's fault for not having some kind of GUI that lets people volunteer for roles or something.

We talked about this before. There's no smooth way for making a GUI for people to assign themselves into highly nuanced roles and responsibilities optimized CM1 demands.

You can't' expect GUI support to help people:

-pick quadrants for M7
-which side they're going in M5
-who's going to 1v1 ragne in M6's thunderdome (assuming players choose that route)
etc

Most roles in CM1 were made up by the player community themselves as the most optimal way to approach it, and is not enforced by game mechanics, aside from something like the fungi.



edit: exactly what Altiea said.



I don't think SEGA would try formulating a roles system, since the roles are community-designed and community-implemented. They aren't an official part of the CQ structure.

[Zephyrion]

I do suck at Japanese, but you can use pre-made sentences or whatever just to communicate in a basic level in CMode to help things go faster. just assiging yourself to a role might encourage people to do the same. CMode is a mode where a single person failing can break a successful run so naturally people can be reluctant or not confident enough to affirm themselves. This is why whenever somebody is asking people to assing themselves roles, the party forms itself in 1 or 2 minutes, as all is needed is a little push
-じゃ、タゲ/ファンジ/VR/やりますか. is stg like . "Can I be the decoy/funji guy/ VR manager : should be understood by anyone, if nobody have assigned himself the role : it's also bad Japanese, so people will reply with おＫです or おねがいします . Generally people will start assigining themselves roles just with you taking the initiative, or someone will start asking for them. It's possible to pick simple phrases and SA to communicate basic info to every player, just takes time identifying them and stuff

I personally just think people are not used to coordinating each other since, aside from CMode, nothing in this game requires any form of coordinated push to be completed, so naturally, people are unfamiliar with it. Language barrier doesn't help either, but I think it's a good occasion to learn how to go about these kind of things !