9º PSO2 STATION! (Phantasy Star Thanks Festa 2017 - Tokyo - Makuhari Messe)

[Maulcun]

http://pso2.jp/players/news/image/sysupload/element/info/20160915/pso2station.jpg

Date: June 10, 2017
Time: 13:00 ~ 18:30 JST

Automatic conversion time : https://goo.gl/GeStNm

Official Link Nico Nico: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv293941995
Fan Link YouTube 1 : Coming soon
Fan Link YouTube 2 : Coming soon
Fan Link Twitch 1 : https://www.twitch.tv/silentsakia/
Fan Link Twitch 2 : Coming soon
Fan Link Beam 1: https://mixer.com/sakia
Fan Link Nico Nico 1: Coming soon
Fan Link Nico Nico 2 : Coming soon
Fan Link Facebook : Coming soon




Important Topics

PSO2 Cosplay Show
Informations about final contents of Episode 4
Informations about Episode 5
Information about a new collaboration
ARKS Battle Tournament 2017 Preliminaries
PSO2 ARKS Live! Special Edition
A Mini Live stage with the PSO2 Team (Finishing the Event)



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9º PSO2 STATION! - Videos

Plastic Model A.I.S
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_cwXDq7ykKxdXVxNHJ3QU9hWlE/view?usp=sharing

PSO2 Hitsugi Premium Figure
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_cwXDq7ykKxaXd2Nl8tUWwyeFU/view?usp=sharing

Update Video 1 (EP4)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_cwXDq7ykKxT3RQVG1UcXMycUU/view?usp=sharing

########### Episode 5 Video 1 ###########
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_cwXDq7ykKxem1TNTV1dEdheVE/view?usp=sharing


########### Episode 5 Video 2 ###########
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_cwXDq7ykKxVHJFV1NnUlV6SXM/view?usp=sharing

[loafhero]

Important Topics

First informations on the Episode 5


Heavy Breathing

[morkie]

so june is the real thing

[Tymek]

Heavy Breathing

Relatable.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Demand another S atk class so elegant power boosts will only be affordable by the top 1%.
Do it!

[cheapgunner]

Demand another S atk class so elegant power boosts will only be affordable by the top 1%.
Do it!

Throw in the skill that reads "Spam this until cooldown and watch your DPS climb" button and make it main class only.

[Shinamori]

I guess EP5 is in Aug, sept at the latest.

[Maulcun]

Updated post

[morkie]

more content on EP4?
hope AIS CF will be back

[Altiea]

more content on EP4?
hope AIS CF will be back

They said Vegas files will also return, so here's hoping. The world needs more Form Scythes.

[Flaoc]

its pretty much the new lq's and the yamato 2.0

[Enforcer MKV]

I find myself so incredibly indifferent to this. Heeere's hoping, I guess.

[Gwyndolin]

I'm just glad it's confirmed we'll hear about Episode 5. Hopefully it's good!

[silentsakia]

Here's for this sat.

Twitch - https://www.twitch.tv/silentsakia/

Mixer(Beam) - https://mixer.com/sakia

[morkie]

do really think will include about the new class tomorrow or just minor content about EP5?

[Alenoir]

I guess these are related so may as well.

[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/cMrWBKm.png[/spoiler-box]

Yamato and AIS new latent, 20 Ethel Fuses to change over at Lv3. Yamato latent goes up to 16% damage over time, so like lesser Gix but without the condition. AIS latent increases damage and decrease PP usage based on the number of affixes, like Aura. No numbers for the AIS latent, dunno if it both increases dmg and decrease PP or if that only applies to dmg increase.

Data already in-game, anyone can check if they have a +10 or higher Yamato/AIS anything.

[Altiea]

I guess these are related so may as well.

[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/cMrWBKm.png[/spoiler-box]

Yamato and AIS new latent, 20 Ethel Fuses to change over at Lv3. Yamato latent goes up to 16% damage over time, so like lesser Gix but without the condition. AIS latent increases damage and decrease PP usage based on the number of affixes, like Aura. No numbers for the AIS latent, dunno if it both increases dmg and decrease PP are based on latent amount or if that only applies to dmg increase.

Data already in-game, anyone can check if they have a +10 or higher Yamato/AIS anything.

Ether Pot for Yamato is still bad for certain weapons. The only way this could be relevant is if the relevant upgrade has higher raw ATK than Zeinesis.

Ether Pot for Saber/Blaster, on the other hand, could be interesting if the upgrade is close to Zeinesis in raw stats and its power scales like Aura's Arena Pot does. It would make the Rifle relevant, at least.

[oratank]

cool always love yamato and ais weapon design now i can use it without a stupid condition

[Tymek]

Here's for this sat.

Twitch - https://www.twitch.tv/silentsakia/

Mixer(Beam) - https://mixer.com/sakia

You're a blessing.

One more day!!

[jooozek]

20 fuses? how about they lower amount of deus esca fuses needed too, 120 for a lv3 pot really segac

[Zorak000]

I think we got icons for 14⭐ drops from Yamato too.

Akatsuki In as a sword, then a Wind TMG and Lightning Dual Blade that both seem to share a similar design to the Doublesaber that Deus drops. That would cover the last classes that don't have a main class 14⭐ anyway. Spread Needle doesn't count for gunner sorry.

[[Ayumi]]

I think we got icons for 14⭐ drops from Yamato too.

Akatsuki In as a sword, then a Wind TMG and Lightning Dual Blade that both seem to share a similar design to the Doublesaber that Deus drops. That would cover the last classes that don't have a main class 14⭐ anyway. Spread Needle doesn't count for gunner sorry.

To me it does seeing I consider Gunner the true RAmarl class as to this day I don't get why when I 1st started up PSO2 in the alpha "Why don't I have my Twin Mechs....?"

[loafhero]

Looking forward to the return of the AIS Saber. Its not over-designed to make it look "high-end" like the Zeinesis series nor does it have any ugly logo imprinted on it. Its kept simple and clean-looking which is just what I like. Double points for bearing a resemblance to FFVII's Buster Sword.

[sparab]

20 fuses? how about they lower amount of deus esca fuses needed too, 120 for a lv3 pot really segac

Before you can only get 1 yamato fuse fuse per 6 runs in average.

[Shinamori]

I just wanna know what the new class will be.

[cheapgunner]

I just wanna know what the new class will be.

I'll probably start on a new char tonight and as the class gets introduced start stockpiling on whatever I'll need from shops/storage for it.

[Shinamori]

I wouldn't be surprised if we got a mount class, honestly.

[Dark Emerald EXE]

I'll probably start on a new char tonight and as the class gets introduced start stockpiling on whatever I'll need from shops/storage for it.

It would be a shame if.....they gave out a free new character slot.

[Anduril]

It would be a shame if.....they gave out a free new character slot.

I wouldn't expect a free slot with this Episode; maybe with Episode 6 (based on that we got free slots with Episodes 2 and 4; also, assuming they really are going to try to go a full 10 years as originally planned).

[DrCatco]

I wouldn't expect a free slot with this Episode; maybe with Episode 6 (based on that we got free slots with Episodes 2 and 4; also, assuming they really are going to try to go a full 10 years as originally planned).

And not even talking about a new race, able to manage pets and... anything that Sega wants to shove in this next chapter.

[cheapgunner]

It would be a shame if.....they gave out a free new character slot.

Oh wait...Your right. >.>; Completely forgot they do that every new episode. Thanks for the heads-up/

[zandra117]

drinking game rules?

[ArcaneTechs]

am i the only one anticipating Beasts finally added and not a face type that was just to hold ppl over to be revealed? or no race at all? (i want sega to prove me wrong). i feel like i should lower my expectations because its sega but uhh....ill keep it steady

[Enforcer MKV]

Every time you hear sugoi

We're trying to have fun, not kill people from Alcohol poisoning! :barf::nono:

[jooozek]

i hope they will reveal something worth manearaing

[Meteor Weapon]

We're all kinda expecting fantasy medieval tho...probably.

[Altiea]

We're all kinda expecting fantasy medieval tho...probably.

I don't know what that has to do with the theme of "Reincarnation", though.

[ArcaneTechs]

We're all kinda expecting fantasy medieval tho...probably.
Im expecting VR of old Maps and Bosses from previous games rather than well "Medieval" times when we got Harukotan for that way back

[Dark Emerald EXE]

am i the only one anticipating Beasts finally added and not a face type that was just to hold ppl over to be revealed? or no race at all? (i want sega to prove me wrong). i feel like i should lower my expectations because its sega but uhh....ill keep it steady

I HIGHLY doubt they'd add beast as a race at the point. I'm sure everyone has sailed that idea once the face variant came out.

I'm assuming no new race but new class....because that's a given lol

[jooozek]

is the time wrong on the post? gotta be

[Alenoir]

They're late.

At least it's not SINoALICE.

[ArcaneTechs]

I HIGHLY doubt they'd add beast as a race at the point. I'm sure everyone has sailed that idea once the face variant came out.

I'm assuming no new race but new class....because that's a given lol
its basically a money grab, why not on their part


is the time wrong on the post? gotta be
pre-emptive disappointment

[Gestriden]

I don't know what that has to do with the theme of "Reincarnation", though.

Something to tickle your fancy from datamining.

There has been a case of "b1" archetype enemies along the updates slowly

Funny enough the b1 enemies names though shortcutted could be made out for Siime Wraith, Golem, Skeleton. This update added another new enemey called "RD_A" which has a tail attack, flame breath and everything which points to being a dragon.

Now here's the interesting thing, all those enemy names I just gave (Dont forget these are sort utted to things like slm, ske, gol, wra and wrg")

Its not the fact these are "Fantasy midievil"names. These are all enemies that appeared in the original Phantasy Star I. And this is also Phantasy Star 30th anniversary.

While theres no concrete proof things are pointing to this "Reincarnation" being retelling of Phantasy Star I but in the PSO lore.

[kurokyosuke]

Any alternate streams around that are actually working?

[DrCatco]

Any alternate streams around that are actually working?

https://mixer.com/sakia is working

[Goukezitsu]

Lol i hope this actually doesn't suck D: Please be good Episode 5!

[final_attack]

I'll wait for the news here (can't watch on live stream / mirror due to ISP in maintenance today + tomorrow ;w; )

[morkie]

rip enemy 100% attack they choose...goodluck then

[Alenoir]

Survey EM Deus +100% ATK, player +100% PP regen rate. The other option people didn't pick was +50% HP Deus and +200% PP regen rate players.

Anyways, double ATK means Marons are pretty much dead in Gracia.

[cheapgunner]

Survey EM Deus +100% ATK, player +100% PP regen rate. The other option people didn't pick was +50% HP Deus and +200% PP regen rate players.

Anyways, double ATK means Marons are pretty much dead in Gracia.

rip PUGS. Gonna be fun to hear the stories of Deus one shotting folks.

[loafhero]

Holy crap. Grown up Xiao?

[loafhero]

Oh, finally a 14* Sword.

[Alenoir]

Taiko Lilipa mag from bingo, some new 12* unit from the LQ, new Yamato stuffs, Yamato rematch 4p, danmaku.

Fuse upgrade Tokyo weapons to NT version, special factor stats 6.

[mr.chills]

yamato rematch: now with 20% more cannons!

[Alenoir]

Rock storage. The end.

Z E N C H I REBORN

OK, high fantasy setting. New class NPC Ayaneru. New world NPC Hanae. Grown up Xiao, finally get to see Arma (CV: Noto). New director Hamazaki.

New class Hero, first upper class. I need a record of this video on Nico before it's gone.

[loafhero]

LUTHER IS BACK!!! Instantly better than EP4!!

[jooozek]

this is as retarded as ep4

[ArcaneTechs]

Hero Class looks so dam good

this is as retarded as ep4
you dont have to play it w

[Maulcun]

I'm posting the videos on the first page

[Alenoir]

New world Omega, fantasy x SF, new enemy type Magic Creature(?), Buster Quests for them sorta like defense? First 8p MPA. May update as HMZK explains.

Hero is all ATK. Sword, TMG, talis. My internet is shit so choking.

Grown up Xiao, Arma (comes from the past, CV: Noto), fairy Xiera, Hero NPC Stratos (CV: Ayaneru), Omega princess Harietto (CV: Han Megumi I thiiiink), Omega knight Valna (CV: Hanae), Z e n c h i.

Rock/gathering/stone/THOSE THINGS storage finalfuckingly. Multi block matching. 3 more My Set spots. More editing for accessories. Can put on the same accessory more than once.

[loafhero]

I hate the shoulder pads on the Hero costume but I love the cape.

[Goukezitsu]

Yamato Trailer:
https://vid.me/APa6

Episode 5 Trailer:
https://vid.me/Rz1V

Hero Showcase:
https://vid.me/pRU7

Episode 5 actually looks pretty cool. Id like to see more details.




Also to note: Most of all the major youtube uploaders got hit by copyright strikes on our channels.Two of them which if you get three they ban your channel. They did two separate claims on purpose to try and restrict our accounts.

For now I've decided to post here on vid.me but there are limitations so while this seems to be the best solution for now I'll be checking to see if theres a more elegant solution. Following the Goukezitsu account (i think 50 followers is what the ToS says) could help get me verified so there's no more bandwidth limits so if you want to continue to possibly see these updates without waiting days for Sega, you should follow that account for now.

[jooozek]

(...) Multi block matching.(...)

after 5 years, better now than never

[oratank]

black hole with teeth and we meet luther and alma so basicly PD just ate us?

[ArcaneTechs]

I didnt expect FF14/SAO etc weird odd fantasy for Ep5, really expected to go back into old PSO universe but well i'll take it and run with it

Hero Class thread has been edited, more detailed edit will happen when i get some sleep

[Selphea]

http://i.imgur.com/FBU08GX.png

Orcs, Tauren, Undead, Goblins and giant shoulders. It's now World of Warcrapht :wacko:

[Alenoir]

black hole with teeth and we meet luther and alma so basicly PD just ate us?

That black hole is where Xion used to be, according to the video.

[Enforcer MKV]

http://i.imgur.com/FBU08GX.png

Orcs, Tauren, Undead, Goblins and giant shoulders. It's now World of Warcrapht :wacko:

That is a Minotaur you uncultured heathen. :wacko:

I heard High Fantasy and came running. Was not disappointed.

Oh, this is amazing and ridiculous and I FREAKING LOVE IT!

[Altiea]

I think more people would take stronger Deus over longer boss fight. Deus doesn't hit that hard anyways, so a semblance of challenge would be a nice change of pace.

[loafhero]

Oh, finally PD is plot relevant again.

[cheapgunner]

Love the setting for Episode 5. I wonder if we will get dungeon, underground-and-creepy-AF style quests for this episode too.

[AzurEnd]

The Hero Class looks cool as all hell. It has a Sword and or Partizan with unique techs and action where it actually has Tech PAs and the TMGs look like they PAoE weapons and that Talis looks like it has a special shooting action. Unsure of this next part but it appears the class has a special dodge that allows them to swap weapon seamlessly and maintain combo.

An All Attack Type class, seems like Fighter or Summoner would be good subclasses for it with what little info there currently is for it. I wonder if the drop rate for the Coat Edge Camo is actually reasonable in that parallel world...

[Suplin]

Cant wait for the overlord/maoyuu maou yuusha/gate/sao collabs right?

[cheapgunner]

The Hero Class looks cool as all hell. It has a Sword and or Partizan with unique techs and action where it actually has Tech PAs and the TMGs look like they PAoE weapons and that Talis looks like it has a special shooting action. Unsure of this next part but it appears the class has a special dodge that allows them to swap weapon seamlessly and maintain combo.

An All Attack Type class, seems like Fighter or Summoner would be good subclasses for it with what little info there currently is for it. I wonder if the drop rate for the Coat Edge Camo is actually reasonable in that parallel world...

Braver looks like a good subclass too. Another person on mixer and me were talking and affixing units for this class might be a bit tricky depending on your style of play with Hero.

[Meteor Weapon]

That is a Minotaur you uncultured heathen. :wacko:


http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Tauren

The only thing that looks ridiculous here is Xierra...i mean wtf

[Lyrise]

I happened to like how fast Hamazaki threw Nakamura under the bus.

"It's just me this time."

[loafhero]

Unsure of this next part but it appears the class has a special dodge that allows them to swap weapon seamlessly and maintain combo.

This is the one trait of the Hero class that interests me the most. Seamless weapon change during combos.

[Enforcer MKV]

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Tauren

The only thing that looks ridiculous here is Xierra...i mean wtf

I know. I just felt like calling someone an uncultured heathen. Pity's sake, I PLAYED a Tauren. 8D

[loafhero]

The only thing that looks ridiculous here is Xierra...i mean wtf

Just when you think they couldn't make Xierra look even more gaudy...

[Alenoir]

Random trivia Ichitarou noticed: A lot of the people battling in the vs right now uses 2 button type.

[Xaeris]

I'm skeptical, to be honest. I was really hoping to go back to a proper sci-fi setting with robots and stuff for Episode 5. I get more than my fill of fantasy settings in this genre, but oh well, it is what it is.

[ArcaneTechs]

https://i.imgur.com/uFFzLXS.jpg
so is Alma new race or?? just accessory random stuff? given its just the ears i see though idk

[loafhero]

This could be an opportunity to give Matoi a new costume. Would be pretty awesome if Matoi is turned into a princess, imprisoned in a castle and we have to rescue her only to be told by Luther that she's in another castle.


[SPOILER-BOX]https://i.imgur.com/uFFzLXS.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]
so is Alma new race or?? just accessory random stuff? given its just the ears i see though idk

So, the original Claris Claes wasn't a fan of red and white, it seems.

[Flaoc]

This could be an opportunity to give Matoi a new costume. Would be pretty awesome if Matoi is turned into a princess, imprisoned in a castle and we have to rescue her only to be told by Luther that she's in another castle.

wow we going full mario here

[Great Pan]

Instead of going back killing aliens, we go for more fantasy shit.

This isn't the PSO I knew...

[Meteor Weapon]

Classic Phantasy Star, if you played them lol

[Alenoir]

Ah... This is going to be a nerf for a lot of things maybe, will update as it goes.

TPS unlimited tech range for some stuffs is viewed as a problem now.

Nerfing high damage PA/skill combos, buffing current skills and weapons.

HU: Buffing Guard Stance, buffing WL in general. Nerfing Vol to lower ATK but lower PP? Faster charge though. 9 other Partisan PAs getting buffed.

FI: Buffing knuckles's normal/step attack/PAs. Heartless lower PP or something

RA: WB nerf to 120% across the board during episode 5. Max level WB get more bullets, can pick how much you want to charge. Older bosses have their HP adjusted for this. Rifle PA and launcher gets buffed.

GU: Lower damage modifier for chain finish, but easier to do chain 100s and lower recast time. Class skill Chain Finish main class only. After change if you use TMG for chain it's about 80% of the current damage? Probably lower for everyone else. Buff for TMG PA and stuffs.

FO & TE: Increased recast time for compound tech? Tech custom higher dmg or something. Zanvarse nerf to can't double skill and latent. Reworking tree to allow multiple elements per tree.
TE: Lower max level for wand skills and some support skills like the Shifta things.
Rafo, Saba, Ilba, Raza, Sazan, Grants no more unlimited range.

BR: Shunka buff wwwww. Well 6 katana PA buffed but Shunka too. >_> Banish lower dmg modifier, higher PP. Sharp Bomber-0 increased PP, bow normal attack & the other PA gets buffed.

BO: Elemental Stance buff to have better modifier for off element. Boots buffed.

SU: Maron Strike nerf, lower damage, takes more hits to reach max bomb. Melon no longer blows up after the timer, but if you don't catch it in time still gonna blow up on you. Dear Master and Reserve Recovery buff.

[CrossOmega]

WOOO XIAO IS BACK!!!

[zandra117]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq9cYROvLRY
mind blown

[KingSasuke]

14* Tmgs with Yamato I figured that was were they would drop, I like Yamato so its fine by me wish there was a high res image of them can,t really see them that well.

[morkie]

rip ranger, i know sega hate this class then my 14* rifle need to be discard

[Meteor Weapon]

EP5's director is the same as EP4, Daisuke Hamazaki, story is gonna get fucked all over again.

[Anduril]

If this AU follows standard comic book multiverse rules, it would be interesting to see some alternate versions of some existing or even dead characters; like imagine we get to see a Ep0|Melphonsina and Gettemhart who are living in this world.
Also, I am quite interested by Hero; it looks like it could be a really unique jack-of-all-trades class. The trainer does definitely seems Huey-esque, what with the dropping from the ceiling and all; maybe it's his little sister.

[Alenoir]

Phaleg clear rate: first day ~4.8%, right now across all players 12%. People that CAN run it, clears it on the first try 49% of the time. KMR cleared it with FI.

[Mattykins]

https://i.imgur.com/kGzyVlf.jpg

[loafhero]

The trainer does definitely seems Huey-esque, what with the dropping from the ceiling and all; maybe it's his little sister.

She does seem to have the same hair color.

[Lyrise]

EP5's director is the same as EP4, Daisuke Hamazaki, story is gonna get fucked all over again.

Not entirely. The Chief Director for EP4 was Nakamura (not just PS4). Hamazaki didn't have as much pull. Now in EP5, he does, since it'll be a solo act for him. We'll see what happens.

[PriestBelmondo]

So.. we'll have more than 4 WB at max level?

[Alenoir]

So.. we'll have more than 4 WB at max level?

More than 3, but no sure what's the max.

[morkie]

Ranger is now launcher use, rifle is dead

[Alenoir]

If anything, battle arena is more fun to watch than TA. That Ash is crazy. .-|

[PriestBelmondo]

aren't some rifle PA's getting buffed though? Plus some quests or missions have WB jamming so this really isnt anything that new.

[Alenoir]

aren't some rifle PA's getting buffed though? Plus some quests or missions have WB jamming so this really isnt anything that new.

Yeah rifle PAs are getting buffed.

[Mattykins]

On behalf of all Ra-mains, myself included:
You still need us >:T

[GHNeko]

A NEW CLASS TO MAKE NEW MEME BUILDS WITH

ALSO GUARD STANCE ADVANCE BUFFS

GET RID OF MAIN CLASS SO I CAN GO BACK TO PLAYING FOHU

[Shinamori]

So, how many of you quitin' this time around?

[Lumpen Thingy]

So, how many of you quitin' this time around?

if anyone quits over this its probably the SU/GU snowflakes

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

2 min recast on compounds
CT nerfs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3uOMCfopR8

[Xaeris]

CT nerf, but shorter cooldown and easier to use: I'm pretty okay with that, honestly.

[AzurEnd]

If this AU follows standard comic book multiverse rules, it would be interesting to see some alternate versions of some existing or even dead characters

You mean like that douche canoe in the bottom right picture? That or he got bored of Double's Inner Universe and decided to leave some how.
http://bumped.org/psublog/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Episode-5-Characters.jpg
and if this is just an AU version of him, im calling it right now, theres an AU version of ourselves in that world and chances are they are the ultimate evil or the right hand to the ultimate evil.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

CT nerf, but shorter cooldown and easier to use: I'm pretty okay with that, honestly.

I'm more elated about the compound recast nerf really. Long overdue. Just need to hope all compounds are on a shared recast.

[Shinamori]

Well, since Double is "ded" and he was never really digested...

[Meteor Weapon]

Inb4 Omega is the planet that Double ate and somehow resurrected with Luther Magic.

[Suplin]

Sorry if this has allready been answered but is the hero weapon a totally new thing or are you supposed to have sword/tmg/talis?

[TehCubey]

Stop trying to make Guard Stance happen, Sega.

The more you buff it the more of a newbie trap it becomes.

If you're so butthurt that people go full Fury in a game where only maximum damage matters 90% of the time, just remove the stances and buff damage output over the board. Maybe melee classes will be able to sub something else than Hu then.

Oh, also the new area looks super boring and adding Luther in is an obvious and shameless move to keep peoples' interest.

[Alenoir]

Sorry if this has allready been answered but is the hero weapon a totally new thing or are you supposed to have sword/tmg/talis?

You use sword/tmg/talis.

Omega questions: Omega is on the other side of the blackhole. Said blackhole is where Xion comes from.

[GHNeko]

https://youtu.be/KQ-UlqPkeBA

[Alenoir]

EP 5 Hero info. Will update this post as it comes out.

Before that balance change stuff will be posted online later the day. Guard Stance Advance main class only.

One Lv75+ strike and ranged and tech class (HU/FI/BO, RA/GU/BR, FO/TE/SU) to become hero. Need title. No subclass for Hero, can't be set as a subclass. Probably no subclass for any advance classes period.

Weapons have entirely different actions when used by Hero. Weapon change PA. Sword weapon action kamehameha. TMG action gun spin for PP regen, talis weapon action fast travel. DPS what is going on.

Sword weapon action shoots out fire balls, you can charge it up to do kamehameha instead. Hero TMG normal attack uses PP too, weapon action called Reload, gun spin to regen PP. High speed step instead of dive roll. There are ways to regen PP faster but that will be introduced to us later, not now. Long hold talis weapon action to put down a marking, then quick travel to it. As a Hero talis have PAs. Not sure if you can do tech.

Other info not mentioned that will be revealed later.

Keyword 五周年おめでとう

Last edit, info picked up from reaction on swiki: Hero will take any ATK mag.

[Xaeris]

"Marron Strike nerf"

All of this chemo is worth it for this tbh.

[loafhero]

Weapon change PA. Sword weapon action kamehameha.

They had me at Kamehameha.

[Vatallus]

I'm interested in this Hero class. Not sure if I am interested in EP5 though, but it can't be worse than EP4. Right?...

I wanna know more about NotLuther.

[loafhero]

Not sure if I am interested in EP5 though, but it can't be worse than EP4. Right?...

Well, we don't see any signs of any highschool bullshit so EP5 should be.

[Alenoir]

TIL the vocalist for Tokyo day BGM is not a Japanese.

Oh nevermind maybe that was the singer for Realization. Man her Japanese is good. Totally buying the OST. Stream should end after the mini live.

[Zephyrion]

Overall I'm happy for everything that was announced, except one thing.
... Farewell TE
The buffs already didn't amount to much in the first place, but you could still get value of zanverse, but even that now is gone. No amount of making wand skills cheaper will save that xD. We'll have to see if they at least add relevant support skills to counterbalance this... but this is a grim outlook so far.

[GHNeko]

Overall I'm happy for everything that was announced, except one thing.
... Farewell TE
The buffs already didn't amount to much in the first place, but you could still get value of zanverse, but even that now is gone. No amount of making wand skills cheaper will save that xD. We'll have to see if they at least add relevant support skills to counterbalance this... but this is a grim outlook so far.

play TeFi lol

that's prob the overall strongest Te build now.

[nguuuquaaa]

play TeFi lol

that's prob the overall strongest Te build now.

TE/FI is only strong at mobbing, and mobbing those with insane HP and zondeel-able, like in UQ.
TE/BR and TE/SU are still overall stronger with banish and pets.

..................................

Come to think of it, Banish nerf, Maron nerf, and Zanverse nerf screw all TE combinations, of which none is top-tier.

Wooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Time to fucking retired from this game.

[escarlata]

Come to think of it, Banish nerf, Maron nerf, and Zanverse nerf screw all TE combinations, of which none is top-tier.
You forgot Compound nerf, which is Te/Fi's main niche over Te/Br

[Alenoir]

Off memory the first stage of blown up maron have its attack power nerfed (it's currently 70% of a maxed maron, may be lowered to like 50% or less), and it takes more hits to fully inflate the pillow, didn't say how many hits. Can't quiet remember if maxed pillow's attack power is nerfed. It probably is, but can't remember.

Edit: Checked log. Max inflated maron does not change attack power. It just takes longer to get there.

Edit 2: Balance detail up. (http://pso2.jp/players/news/?id=11331)

[nguuuquaaa]

You forgot Compound nerf, which is Te/Fi's main niche over Te/Br


Edit 2: Balance detail up. (http://pso2.jp/players/news/?id=11331)

TE nerf confirmed, I can finally quit this game.

[GHNeko]

TE/FI is only strong at mobbing, and mobbing those with insane HP and zondeel-able, like in UQ.
TE/BR and TE/SU are still overall stronger with banish and pets.

..................................

Come to think of it, Banish nerf, Maron nerf, and Zanverse nerf screw all TE combinations, of which none is top-tier.

Wooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Time to fucking retired from this game.

TeFi has good casting. it's not tebr casting, but that's fine.

compound nerf does suck tho. i heard the compound CD is not shared between all compounds tho.

[ralf542]

Omega reminds me of the time when I played Shadow of the Colossus on PS2. Are going to get new Swords/TMGs/Talis for Hero or will they add Hero class to all those weapons. Do we need 3 mags for Hero and switch them and affix S-R-T Atk to units now or switch those too?

Go beyond! PLUS ULTRA!

[Alenoir]

Are going to get new Swords/TMGs/Talis for Hero or will they add Hero class to all those weapons. Do we need 3 mags for Hero and switch them and affix S-R-T Atk to units now or switch those too?

Going to be using existing stuffs. So Hero added to them probably. You only need 1 ATK mag for the class according to HMZK. Dunno about units.

[final_attack]

So, I guess Hero-class might have ....... Switch-x like Su? :o

[escarlata]

Edit 2: Balance detail up. (http://pso2.jp/players/news/?id=11331)
Hmm lets see..

Bunch of PA power ups, PA PP downs, lazy to translate all. Just assume every relevant PA is buffed except the following:
Sword, DS, TD, Launcher, DB.
Rifle PA buff to everything except EA, SC, OP, Para-0
TMG buff only on Elder Rebellion and Grim Barrage
Katana no buff to Hatou, Sakura, Kanran, no nerf to Guren

Skill tree changes are mostly already in the stream, but these are the few with specific values:
Fo/Te element mastery 2 maxes at 5 instead of 10, values adjusted.
Wand Lovers maxes at 5, wand reactor maxes at 1, wand gear element maxes at 1, Shifta and Deband advance, Shifta Crit, Deband Cut, now maxes at 5

[Vatallus]

Chain Finisher main class only. Huehuehuehue.

[Alenoir]

The most worrisome thing on that entire balance list is the Weak Hit Advance change, actually.

It no longer works unless a WB mark is there.

[escarlata]

Pretty sure it says it now works on WB areas rather than only works on WB areas. At least that's how it sounded like to me. Which actually doesn't make sense to me because I always thought it applied it's multiplier on WB areas.

[cheapgunner]

So I have TeHu as go to Techer main class. Is TeHu too weak to use properly and I need to go to TeBr, TeFi or should I retire it?

[Zephyrion]

TE nerf confirmed, I can finally quit this game.

there is one buff with TE

changelog mentions "wand mastery 1 and 2" skills to cost as much as the new reduced cost of elemental masteries. This skill doesn't exist in current tree, so it means it will be a straight multiplier buff to wand melee, and if it multiplies wand melee by the same amount of % as elements... well every TE is dead except pure melee ones. But TE is still alive


Pretty sure it says it now works on WB areas rather than only works on WB areas. At least that's how it sounded like to me. Which doesn't make sense because I always thought it applied

there are a few cases where it doesn't happen.
Basically, WHA triggers if multiplier on part is 1.2x. Jammed wb gives 1.3 (if I recall correctly), but that means that parts with actual resistance ( think train ghidoran legs and the likes) jammed wb and even at times normal wb wouldn't trigger WHA because the part multiplier still didn't go above 1.2x even with wb on.

[Kondibon]

The most worrisome thing on that entire balance list is the Weak Hit Advance change, actually.

It no longer works unless a WB mark is there.Pretty sure the change is allowing WHA to trigger on non-weakpoints if they have WB.

[Kondibon]

there is one buff with TE

changelog mentions "wand mastery 1 and 2" skills to cost as much as the new reduced cost of elemental masteries. This skill doesn't exist in current tree, so it means it will be a straight multiplier buff to wand melee, and if it multiplies wand melee by the same amount of % as elements... well every TE is dead except pure melee ones. But TE is still alive
I see nothing about wand mastery.

[RadiantLegend]

Gah, they killed RA.

[Mattykins]

All of the relevant bosses had WB jam anyway so I dunno what the big deal is. Same with Te; people will still appreciate good buffs and wand-smack is still pretty good.

[Zephyrion]

I see nothing about wand mastery.

wel nvm I read "wind" as "wand" because I'm tired

RIP TE then

[nguuuquaaa]

All of the relevant bosses had WB jam anyway so I dunno what the big deal is. Same with Te; people will still appreciate good buffs and wand-smack is still pretty good.

The problem is that every TEs are nerfed when they aren't even strong in the first place.

[Mattykins]

Honestly, if all Te had was Zanverse then something was already wrong with the class. I've had no trouble just using wand smacks in pugs, as long as I keep buffs up everything's fine.

As I said with Ra, people will still want good Te buffs. People will still want free damage just from standing inside the green puddle even if it's less. I'd like to think the Gu and Br mains who stuck through their shit periods are reading this thread and just shaking their heads.

[Selphea]

I'm sure they'll add some kind of chuuni triple attack class using Rifle and Wand sooner or later, with PAs and extra gimmicks built in too.

[Tymek]

Hero has one-handed Swords.
One. Handed. Swords.

I'm home.

[AnikaSteinberg]

Much as I hate to admit, but Techers are indeed far more dependent on Zanverse than any other class, even with all the combat gimmicks I used to promote every now and then.

Though, since Zanverse will no longer be modify-able with anything post-Episode 5, I'd say these supposed Wand changes/buffs will be kinda needed anyway

[Rayden]

Much as I hate to admit, but Techers are indeed far more dependent on Zanverse than any other class, even with all the combat gimmicks I used to promote every now and then.

Though, since Zanverse will no longer be modify-able with anything post-Episode 5, I'd say these supposed Wand changes/buffs will be kinda needed anyway

What supposed wand changes/buffs? All they're doing to "buff" Techer is reduce skill level caps so we have more spare points.

At least this will mean nobody complains about Bouncers with Moment Gale anymore.

[Mattykins]

This means Te will be able to probably dump more points into an elemental mastery. The Te/Hu build I run doesn't have the points for that, so if I could add Light Mastery, she might do better against raid bosses. That said, she's not 80 yet, so we'll see where that gets me.

[AnikaSteinberg]

Well, for instance, I've been spamming Ramegid Type-0 pretty more often ever since Round 2 Gracia was introduced, as well as during practice matches with Phaleg.

So yeah, indirect as though it may be, having been freed from compulsory Wind Mastery dumps means that I can finally put some points to evenly spread out my Techer's (yes, Te/Hu) performance output.

[Arada]

This means Te will be able to probably dump more points into an elemental mastery. The Te/Hu build I run doesn't have the points for that, so if I could add Light Mastery, she might do better against raid bosses. That said, she's not 80 yet, so we'll see where that gets me.

More point to buy not much in the tree. Techs will be buffed a bit by this but that's not enough.

[Tymek]

The Seiga upgrade series is Sekaizer.

[escarlata]

Zanverse is a global nerf, in that Techer is not the only one affected by it, literally every other person in your MPA is nerfed in terms of damage, so I won't consider it a Te nerf. The only "real" nerfs to Te are Marron nerf, Banish nerf and Compound nerf, one of which hurts Te more than they hurt their actual main classes. Partisan/WL buff in that sense is a buff to Te/Hu, lower skill cap means that Te/Br & Te/Fi can actually max out 2 elements instead of 1, which compensates to some degree as well. Maron is nerfed but other pets are still okay for Te/Su to boss with. Rip Te/Gu & Te/Bo mules.

[milranduil]

2min cd for compounds is some hot bs, but whatever. i'm more salty that i dumped 360 fuses on fo before them showing that they're nerfing the shit out of compounds. was fun soloing EQs as fo while it lasted. time to solo as br and fi instead now.

[Mattykins]

Call me crazy, but if a class can solo EQs like that, it's probably a bit on the OP side.

[escarlata]

Speaking of compound nerfs, anyone has any idea if the 2 min CD is shared across all 3, or do they actually have their own 2 min cd?

[mr.chills]

yeah meanwhile in fi town clear skies and knuckle buffs

[Arada]

And while they're nerfing coumpounds, almost everything else is buffed so FO is really not dead.

[final_attack]

The Seiga upgrade series is Sekaizer.

Does it have same potential, just more attack power? :o
I'm interested in Sword (still using Seiga Sword atm for my barely used alt now)

[milranduil]

Call me crazy, but if a class can solo EQs like that, it's probably a bit on the OP side.

you literally don't understand what you're talking about. a large variety of classes have all been good for soloing EQs. the only reason fo held a candle to any times was because of compound techs. with 2min cd, they will be irrelevant for any boss once compound is on cd. mobbing only class.

maybe this will make it easier for you to understand.

traces of darkness XH potential
fi - 1:5x (unchanged/buffed)
fo - 1:5x (nerfed)
br/ra - 1:5x (nerfed)

[Mattykins]

I think the idea here is that people are too reliant on their classes "one trick" i.e. WB, Zanverse, Compounds, Chain, Marron, etc. By knocking these things down a peg and putting everything up, they hope to create more variety. Perhaps that's why Fi got off scot-free; while yes, Fi is an OP piece of shit and always will be, at least it's OP in a wide variety of ways.

[milranduil]

And while they're nerfing coumpounds, almost everything else is buffed so FO is really not dead.

did you read the patch notes? the large majority of tech buffs are pointless regarding dps. it's back to being a mobbing-only class.

[Mattykins]

you literally don't understand what you're talking about. a large variety of classes have all been good for soloing EQs. the only reason fo held a candle to any times was because of compound techs. with 2min cd, they will be irrelevant for any boss once compound is on cd. mobbing only class.

maybe this will make it easier for you to understand.

traces of darkness XH potential
fi - 1:5x (unchanged/buffed)
fo - 1:5x (nerfed)
br/ra - 1:5x (nerfed)

lol, relax. As mentioned, they're buffing normal techs. Pardon my poor wording; I think what I want to say is that a class shouldn't be reliant on its personal nuke to solo or not. Compounds shouldn't be the thread that this hangs by. A class shouldn't stand on a single pillar, so to speak. If that's the way it is, then that one element of the class is probably OP, and a middle ground should be sought, which is what's happening here.

[milranduil]

I think the idea here is that people are too reliant on their classes "one trick" i.e. WB, Zanverse, Compounds, Chain, Marron, etc. By knocking these things down a peg and putting everything up, they hope to create more variety. Perhaps that's why Fi got off scot-free; while yes, Fi is an OP piece of shit and always will be, at least it's OP in a wide variety of ways.

read above post. none of the dps techs were buffed. it is a flat nerf, end of story.

[Mattykins]

"Various Technic and Customized Technic buffs" It's kinda tucked away, but it's there.

[milranduil]

"Various Technic and Customized Technic buffs" It's kinda tucked away, but it's there.

they are listed on official site. i'm not just talking out of my ass here.
http://pso2.jp/players/news/?id=11331

[escarlata]

"Various Technic and Customized Technic buffs" It's kinda tucked away, but it's there.

Ragrants wasnt, Ilbarta wasnt, Gimegid wasnt, Nazan wasnt. Unless the other techs got such a massive buff that they some overtook these, Fo were not compensated in any other way. The only saving grace Fo got is that they can apparently either max out 5 elements or fully max out Photon Flare now.

[mr.chills]

i fully side with team fo on this having spent 240 fuses on rod and tally...
fo should absolutely hang on compounds, its a class that takes 12 weps to fully optimize (7 with epd) - high price should yield high reward
not like barastions are easy to use when an xh boss trying to one-shot you or mobs creep on you when you stuck in fomel animation

why ppl hate op stuff anyways? makes pugs get cubes/rares faster? makes grinding bearable?
next time apprentice dont get burned cause fomel on cd the mpa will be: "yup thats more fair, lets fight it the hard way...?"

[Mattykins]

Yes, I see a number of damaging techs that, currently, are fairly worthless. There's no word on how much they'll be buffed by. It could be a lot, or it could be a little. Don't shit on poor ol' Grants just because it could never stand up to its big brother Ragrants.

As a Ra, I never would've believed that Impact Slide would become a staple PA but it got buffed once and, for a brief period, people used it. When I started playing, Piercing Shell, so I was told, was the most worthless thing a Ra could put on their palette aside from like Grenade. It got a buff one day and, hey, people started using it. One Point was never as that great. It got buffed and, suddenly, everyone used it for a while. And here, nothing got nerfed. It was just old PAs being brought up to speed. Yeah, they all got washed away by newer PAs, but for PAs that were once considered useless, a little time in the limelight was pretty cool. So, please, give Grants a chance. Try IlGrants. Just off the ol' Sazan that was all the rage during the Elysion days and see how it fares post-buff. Times change. Metas change. Best thing is to go with the flow.

[cheapgunner]

I wouldn't mind the nerfs if they added new spells like the ones from PSU and increased duration for zondeel and zanverse (getting nerfed).

[nguuuquaaa]

I think the idea here is that people are too reliant on their classes "one trick" i.e. WB, Zanverse, Compounds, Chain, Marron, etc. By knocking these things down a peg and putting everything up, they hope to create more variety. Perhaps that's why Fi got off scot-free; while yes, Fi is an OP piece of shit and always will be, at least it's OP in a wide variety of ways.

FI nerf their own HP for damage since ages ago, it's understandable that they got away.

But TE on the other side, got nerfed even though they are already weak. This is what pissing me off, not the Zanverse nerf, Banish nerf and such.


variety
This is kinda ironic considering how they screwed up TE, the most versatile class which can be paired with almost all other classes for different purposes.
No, there's no variety for you, wand smacking is extremely behind everything (yes, even its own technique) in damage, and 14* wand is even weaker than Form. SEGA doesn't care a least bit about melee Techers, which is a legit playstyle since the introduction of wand skills.

[Arada]

did you read the patch notes? the large majority of tech buffs are pointless regarding dps. it's back to being a mobbing-only class.

I read the detailed patch notes, yes. Probably less biased than you.
For almost every tech, baring the most used ones like Ragrants and Rafoie for instance, "buff damages".
Besides, the masteries are also getting a large boost by reducing the number of points to get to 20% boost in the mastery and that is a boost, no matter what you say.

Fire:
Foie damage buff
Nafoie damage buff
Rafoie ranged down
Foie craft recipe: revised power notation upwards
Nafoie craft recipe: revised power notation upwards

Ice:
Barta power up + charge time down
Gibarta power up
Rabarta power up + charge time down
Sabarta power up + charge time down + range down
Ilbarta range down
Icefang Barta, Gibarta, Rabarta and Sabarta: power notation revised upwards

Lightning
Gizonde power up + charge time down
Razonde charge time down
Sazonde charge time down
Zondeel power up (ok, lol)
Nazonde power up
Craft recipes for Gizonde, Sazonde, Nazonde and Zondeel power notation revised upwards

And there are other examples like these in the other elements (I'm just bored to type it all :) ).

[mr.chills]

infinite range tps loss on rafoie, grants, sazan and ilbarta and maybe others is bs too, many td runs saved by killing towers with those, rip

[Zephyrion]

Much as I hate to admit, but Techers are indeed far more dependent on Zanverse than any other class, even with all the combat gimmicks I used to promote every now and then.

Though, since Zanverse will no longer be modify-able with anything post-Episode 5, I'd say these supposed Wand changes/buffs will be kinda needed anyway

Edited my post, there is no wand change

TE is being screwed

The thing people need to realize is that TE was already in a shitty place to begin with, but could be leveraged by using universal/subclasses mechanic to their advantage (compounds, Banish techs, zanverse, all being nerfed mind you)

Deband Cut and Toughness are a nice plus, but you should be able to survive without.
Shifta Strike is also a nice buff...but you can contribute more than Shifta Strike's worth if you're very good with another class

The underlying problem of TE is and has always been the same thing. SEGA doesn't want to repurpose them to be so good at support they become anything that isn't a comfort/liability thing, nor do they want to buff their offensive kit to be able to support while outputting decent personal damage.

Because of all this, TE is more of a "if there is one, that's cool, if there is none, whatever" class, that can't even get enough personal value to justify the presence of 2 or more TEs in any given mpa.

[Mattykins]

I'll admit I'm probably a bit biased about Te since I like wand-smack and I like good buffs but want my mpa experience to be more than dropping green puddles and winning the mpa. Yes, I'll admit techer could probably use some more love. I'd love to see Reverser Field not suck, for example. I still stick to my opinion, though, that a) a class shouldn't be reliant on one trick, and b) people will still want Tes in their mpa post-nerf.

Another thing is we're not looking at how Hero will fit into this. That alone might harm the standing of a few classes.

One more thing: I'm not just shitting on tech-users here. I dare any fellow Ra-mains to say Ra is dead because of wb nerf so I can tell you you're wrong. :T

[milranduil]

I read the detailed patch notes, yes. Probably less biased than you.
For almost every tech, baring the most used ones like Ragrants and Rafoie for instance, "buff damages".
Besides, the masteries are also getting a large boost by reducing the number of points to get to 20% boost in the mastery and that is a boost, no matter what you say.

Fire:
Foie damage buff
Nafoie damage buff
Rafoie ranged down
Foie craft recipe: revised power notation upwards
Nafoie craft recipe: revised power notation upwards

Ice:
Barta power up + charge time down
Gibarta power up
Rabarta power up + charge time down
Sabarta power up + charge time down + range down
Ilbarta range down
Icefang Barta, Gibarta, Rabarta and Sabarta: power notation revised upwards

Lightning
Gizonde power up + charge time down
Razonde charge time down
Sazonde charge time down
Zondeel power up (ok, lol)
Nazonde power up
Craft recipes for Gizonde, Sazonde, Nazonde and Zondeel power notation revised upwards

And there are other examples like these in the other elements (I'm just bored to type it all :) ).

yes 20 points to 15 points. this doesn't mean we can suddenly max multiple elements without giving up attackups to begin with. if it was 20 to 10, then yes now you can multi element with little to no draw back. compounds were force's burst. "buff damages" to techs that aren't dps to begin with fixes nothing. i can't believe i have to explain that, but whatever.

for the record, my first qliph was katana. it's not as though i play only force and nothing else and am spoiled by it. it's just a class i've enjoyed and specialized in for a long time. being told by sega that "this OP is not ok, but this OP is ok" is my problem.

a) a class shouldn't be reliant on one trick

fo relying on compounds never made it a one trick. shunka ep2 was a one trick.

[Arada]

TE is being screwed

.

Yes ! They're giving PAs to Talis to Hero instead of Techer !

[Zephyrion]

fo relying on compounds never made it a one trick. shunka ep2 was a one trick..

I think he meant TE and zanverse tho.

[Alenoir]

Does it have same potential, just more attack power? :o
I'm interested in Sword (still using Seiga Sword atm for my barely used alt now)

It's going to be upgraded to NT version for the old ones I think. May have mentioned a slight power increase. The special factor is going to be stats 6. That is, Power 6/Shoot 6/Tech 6. Yeah, they're going to be the first weapons with stats 6.

[Dugs]

"buff damages" to techs that aren't dps to begin with fixes nothing. i can't believe i have to explain that, but whatever.

Bitch bitch, whine whine, unless you have the exact details of what they plan to do, shut the fuck up.

[Alenoir]

The intention to buff those techs is to offer more different play styles than everyone doing cookie cutter usage. Don't like it? Complain to SEGA.

[final_attack]

It's going to be upgraded to NT version for the old ones I think. May have mentioned a slight power increase. The special factor is going to be stats 6. That is, Power 6/Shoot 6/Tech 6. Yeah, they're going to be the first weapons with stats 6.

Ah, all right then. Thank you ^^

[Altiea]

I'm actually kinda stoked about Afin's Rifle finally getting into the game (after two years). I like the design.

[Zephyrion]

I'm actually kinda stoked about Afin's Rifle finally getting into the game (after two years). I like the design.

Aha yeah, kinda weird when you think about it, considering we got literally every Afin-related cosmetic so long ago. Not that I mind, I love the rifle too !

[Moffen]

From the thumbs,the blades are white.
His original rifle blades are blue.

Odds are you should be able to change the colour if im not mistaken.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Still in full support of that compound recast nerf.
Just compare it to KC.
It does several times more damage than finish, and was usable several times more often, while KC was only usable once every minute and a half.
It was OVERDUE.

On that note, the katana buffs don't even look exciting at face value since they're just adjusting the PAs some people haven't used in literally years.

[echofaith]

Very happy with Partizan change. I hated having to rely in volg graptor to the point I just went full sword despite its clunkyness. Now to hope the PA buff is good enough to make it on par with swords...yeah right :p

[Tymek]

This might be a somewhat foolish question, but why is the recast timer on Compounds such a big deal? Doesn't it take a long time to activate them anyways?


From the thumbs,the blades are white.
His original rifle blades are blue.

Odds are you should be able to change the colour if im not mistaken.

Yeah, it color fits with the costume.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

This might be a somewhat foolish question, but why is the recast timer on Compounds such a big deal? Doesn't it take a long time to activate them anyways?

With magical piece, you could see FOs do nonsense like using compounds twice in the span of ~30 seconds.
Two examples I watched from nico nico was a zan spamming Fo vs zigmorde, and Fo vs double solo.

They could potentially use compounds 3 or more times by the time I even use KC a second time (KC has a 90 second recast). Not to mention the damage compounds do is on another level entirely. That is why I complain about it.

[Tymek]

Does it have same potential, just more attack power? :o
I'm interested in Sword (still using Seiga Sword atm for my barely used alt now)

I wonder that too.

[azami]

http://i.imgur.com/IAXFUOW.png

[Kazzi]

As a TE main I feel like Sega just told me to go play another mmo. Absolutely savage nerfs, but it seems like the JP players are being incredibly vocal about it as well.

[cheapgunner]

As a TE main I feel like Sega just told me to go play another mmo. Absolutely savage nerfs, but it seems like the JP players are being incredibly vocal about it as well.

What makes it harsh for me is that there is no Wand melee PAs to replace the zanverse nerf to help alleviate it. Don't know of anyone really who plays TeFo for the techs exclusive, as playing FoTe is much better at that.

[Selphea]

Te has it really bad, they got hit by not just the Zanverse nerf, but the Banish nerf for TeBr, the Maron nerf for TeSu and the compound nerf too.

Also, leader of Arks who got corrupted by Dark Falz and eventually defeated, then comes back in a giant castle... (http://phantasystar.wikia.com/wiki/Lashiec)

[Mattykins]

"Before he died, however, he claimed that he would be reincarnated again to bring more terror to Algo"

>Luther is Lassic

[Zulastar]

As a TE main I feel like Sega just told me to go play another mmo. Absolutely savage nerfs, but it seems like the JP players are being incredibly vocal about it as well.

I have BrHu, RaHu, SuGu, TeSu, FiBo and FoTe on my main so half of them will be dead...

[Tymek]

With magical piece, you could see FOs do nonsense like using compounds twice in the span of ~30 seconds.
Two examples I watched from nico nico was a zan spamming Fo vs zigmorde, and Fo vs double solo.

They could potentially use compounds 3 or more times by the time I even use KC a second time (KC has a 90 second recast). Not to mention the damage compounds do is on another level entirely. That is why I complain about it.

Oh dear.

[Alenoir]

I have BrHu, RaHu, SuGu, TeSu, FiBo and FoTe on my main so half of them will be dead...

Time to explore pets outside of marons. Start with Aero.