February 9th Announcements

[Altiea]

Exacrimav
-- Potential: 白銀の輝焔 (Increase Power by 10%. Change your 3rd Normal Attack into an explosive bullet.)

Endless 2: Electric Boogaloo
-- Now featuring 35 new rooms!
-- Duo and Trio play modes and Titles have been added. Drink Shops and Recovery Pods have been added to Interval Areas.
-- Stage Orders change dynamically based on the number of players.
-- New SSAs:
--- S1:Erosion of Power: Grant a 25% chance to inflict the Jellen status when attacking an enemy.
--- S2:技巧縮減: Reduce PP consumption for 30 seconds upon hitting with a PA/Technique. Has a low chance to grant amplified effects. Triggers Recast upon activation.
--- S3:撃流の備: Decrease damage taken by 1% for every 300,000 damage dealt. Maxes at 15%.
--- S3:撃流縮減: Decrease PP consumption by 1% for every 300,000 damage dealt. Maxes at 15%.
--- S3:撃流の功: Increase Critical Hit Rate by 2% for every 300,000 damage dealt. Maxes at 30%.

Yamato Factor is still too expensive!
-- Yamato will return to the schedule in EP6! Furthermore, Yamato Factor's drop rate will be permanently enhanced!

Where's my Evleda Unit upgrades, SEGA? You've postponed them three times already!
-- Due for EP6! The upgraded Units will be revealed in Summer!

Perpetual Madness Trigger?
-- Due for April (following a rule that EQ must be out for at least a half year before its Quest Trigger is released)

Why can't I eat Chocolates and Donuts at the same time? Stomach cramps?
-- The ability to eat Seasonal Food (like Chocolates) and Event Food (Donuts) at the same time will be added in White Day.

Support Fire doesn't work, SEGA! Fix it!
-- Issues with Point Assist and Support Fire will be addressed in EP6. (Hopefully. Maybe.)

Tier 7 Graphics? I want Mother to be so stupidly bright that I go blind!
-- Unfortunately, Tier 7 is not being considered for EP6.

Where's Zalure?
-- Zalure will not be implemented since Weak Bullet more or less takes its place.

Who's crazy enough to make Returner V 7s?
-- 9 people! No one has made Returner V 8s yet.

Who has Forever Loner? Is it more GU/FIs that overwhelmingly dominate the meta?
-- Yes! 29 players have Forever Loner; 24 are GU/FI, 4 are Hero, and one is FI/HU.

1100 Titles sounds difficult for a new player! How many can we get now?
-- A player who is just starting out will be able to get approximately 1400 Titles.

Stop teasing us and tell us when EP6 is!
-- EP6's release date will be announced on March 10th!

WHERE ARE MY CELESTIAL UNITS
-- Persona's Unit drop rate is identical on both Super Hard and Extra Hard difficulties. The main difference between the two are weapon drops.

More Type-0s please?
-- Under consideration, but if they are implemented, they will be introduced gradually instead of all at once.

Can I get Coat Barrel and Coat Talis anywhere else?
-- Not for now, but other ways to get them will be implemented later.

Gathering in Enchanted Forest?
-- No plans at the moment.

The More You Know
-- When obtaining a Bonus Key from the Team Shop, the expiration date of the Key is set upon acquisition rather than purchase.
-- Abend Rose [Ba] has a transparent back.
-- You can tell where a Wurmritter is burrowing if you walk over the location where it dove underground.
-- You can access the turret terminals in Urban even if you are in Dark Blast.
-- Weak Stance does not apply to DF Persona's mask until the mask becomes cracked, even if WB is applied. Once the mask is cracked, Weak Stance becomes applicable if WB is applied.
-- If you have a weapon with Formchange, Weapon Hologram Ver. 1 will display the original weapon, while Weapon Hologram Ver. 2 will display the weapon after Formchange.
-- During the "Save the Lillipan!" E-Trial, the Gilnas becomes immune to damage while Dark Blast is active.

[ArcaneTechs]

idk why bumped didnt post some of the other tidbits like Zalure, Seasonal Foods and Support Fire issue (i didnt even know Support Fire was having problems).
the last tidbits are interesting for sure

Yamato Factor increase is just lazy, not only did this Raid get a remake and a boost in the past theyre going to boost it again and increase the Yamato Factor rates that should have been increased a long time ago given this EQ barely shows up if at all anymore. I haven't ran mom and dad trigger yet but my assumption is that Deus Factor still ruins the loot pool on any materials that drops making Mother Factor a little more annoying to get. I'd say screw Ether Factor but Mana Reverie just seems so much cheaper to do but Dragon sort of not showing up as much either which is making materials from that more scarce so its a annoying balance for some of these high end affixes atm.

[SteveCZ]

One Fi/Hu god exists. Who might that be.

[Masu]

I don't get the part about to get 1100 titles. Is it the required number for that 3rd Chronos Stone they talked about some time ago?

[RadiantLegend]

1400 possible for a new player...yeah good luck with that.

[Saffran]

Some titles are hard to get, some not. 1100 titles will take a while but it's in no way impossible. It does require you to breathe PSO2 for a living though.

[Lyrise]

I don't get the part about to get 1100 titles. Is it the required number for that 3rd Chronos Stone they talked about some time ago?

Yep. So think of the whitill units as a checkpoint and indicator that you're almost there.

[SPOILER-BOX]https://i.imgur.com/KAfj0sh.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Masu]

Yep. So think of the whitill units as a checkpoint and indicator that you're almost there.

[SPOILER-BOX]https://i.imgur.com/KAfj0sh.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

978...time to look closer to those +10 Ot weapon craft titles and suffer the speech bubbles spam of those useless npc :roll: Speaking of whitill it would be nice from sega to upgrade them to something relevant :( .

Thanks!

[Zulastar]

Some titles are hard to get, some not.

5.000.000 kills almost impossible to get.

And there are too much achivements unaviable now. Matterboard for example...


time to look closer to those +10 Ot weapon craft titles

Thanks god I almost finished this in time (Blitz Slugger, Floating Edges, Inferno Bazooka and Mic Stand left).
Most of these weapons unaviable now too.

[Vintasticvin]

1400 possible for a new player...yeah good luck with that.

Challenge accepted since I'm on a fresh new account!

[Dark Mits]

Around 170ish titles are behind completing quests with NPCs escorting you. Then you have a couple hundred titles tied to grinding OT weapons to +10. Then you have crafting titles, S-ranking Omnibus and Story quests...

1100 titles isn't hard, it's lengthy. For the record, I do as much crafting as possible, and I have still not hit lvl50 on Extending and Tech Crafting, while having over 1200 titles.

[Tymek]

89 titles or so were lost when Matter Boards and Original Story EP1~3 were removed.

[Zulastar]

Around 170ish titles are behind completing quests with NPCs escorting you. Then you have a couple hundred titles tied to grinding OT weapons to +10. Then you have crafting titles, S-ranking Omnibus and Story quests...

1100 titles isn't hard, it's lengthy. For the record, I do as much crafting as possible, and I have still not hit lvl50 on Extending and Tech Crafting, while having over 1200 titles.

Most NPCs are unaviable now. Even if all them were aviable 2nd part of achivments reqire to run 100 quests with one NPC... couple of years must be fine.
OT weapons for achivements mostly unaviable too.
Crafting titles with CD on craft lines... same couple of years.

Yep I can't force myself to clear craft achievements too. with them + same skipped in Omnibus and e.t.c I can have about 1400.

[RadiantLegend]

Around 170ish titles are behind completing quests with NPCs escorting you. Then you have a couple hundred titles tied to grinding OT weapons to +10. Then you have crafting titles, S-ranking Omnibus and Story quests...

1100 titles isn't hard, it's lengthy. For the record, I do as much crafting as possible, and I have still not hit lvl50 on Extending and Tech Crafting, while having over 1200 titles.

PSO2 will have to become your life if you are a new player going for 1100 titles.
- Some npc cards aren't available, 100 quest completion with each one.
- ot grinding and craft titles (better be rich)
- Every class lv 90 and certain quest completion with each of them.
- EQ completion times, challenge quest
- Arks festival titles

Not impossible but as I said good luck.

[Tymek]

Well, you can do three NPC's at the same time, you can get some OT weapons from PSO2es.

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

"WHERE ARE MY CELESTIAL UNITS
-- Persona's Unit drop rate is identical on both Super Hard and Extra Hard difficulties. The main difference between the two are weapon drops."

It triggers me that they knowingly avoided giving any real answer anyone would care about, like a rate adjustment, or a stone-purchasing alternative... SOMETHING!

[ArcaneTechs]

"WHERE ARE MY CELESTIAL UNITS
-- Persona's Unit drop rate is identical on both Super Hard and Extra Hard difficulties. The main difference between the two are weapon drops."

It triggers me that they knowingly avoided giving any real answer anyone would care about, like a rate adjustment, or a stone-purchasing alternative... SOMETHING!

Youre going to suck it up, open that wallet, buy that ac and transfer out 5 characters or more for SH runs buddy. IT WAS ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU

[Reilet]

Support Fire issue (i didnt even know Support Fire was having problems)..

It didn’t work on parts that show up after something was broken. (Ex: double tongue, dragon, loser recharging his shoulders, loser’s open clock, every part of persona after initial break, etc)

[Dark Mits]

Most NPCs are unavailable now.True. But there are approximately 35 NPCs available at all times. That's 105 titles from them.

Even if all them were aviable 2nd part of achivments reqire to run 100 quests with one NPC... couple of years must be fine.Lvl1 Subdue Za Oodan: 3mins per clear. I am very generous with this time frame since someone here will definitely claim that anything over 1min clear for this is unacceptable. 20 runs per hour -> 3 NPCs maxed per 5 hours. You can get all permanently available NPCs maxxed this way in a week's time. Disclaimer: I am in no way suggesting that people should do this. I am merely stating that it does not take years, or even months, assuming that the player in question does nothing else in his online time. Don't become obsessed with something that can come in time.

OT weapons for achivements mostly unaviable too.Unfortunately I do not have a master list available, but I am fairly certain that as Tymek says, PSO2es can provide some OT weapons that are not available in the main game. The market exists as well. You can definitely get at least 200 titles with what's available currently.


PSO2 will have to become your life if you are a new player going for 1100 titles.Any player who has achieved such a tremendously grindy milestone is not new, they're a veteran. Heck, I don't think that you can call someone who has spent over 50 hours in a game "new". If someone started today and said "I want that 3rd Chronos stone", my reply to them would be "By the time you reach that point, Atlas Ex will be obsolete. So just enjoy the game at your leisure.".

The 3rd Chronos stone is a reward for those who have engaged themselves in various activities in the game throughout the game; you can be playing for over 5 years but focusing only on one thing, so you can't reach 1100 titles, or you can be playing 1 year doing everything and still not reach it due to not enough time to complete many tasks.

Also, for anyone to take advantage of the 3rd Chronos stone, you need to have a 3rd Lumiere. I can't even begin to imagine the grind (or extreme luck) someone must have undergone to achieve that even with the latest generous LQ. I completed my first Atlas Ex just last week because that was when I got my first Lumiere from upgrading Jutus drops. I have 2 Chronos stones sitting in the bank. I believe there are others who have it even worse with 3 stones, or even 4 stones if they got one from Dark Atrum.

[Altiea]

For the record, they did state that they set the requirement at 1100 because it's geared towards people who have been playing for a very long time (since EP1).

[ArcaneTechs]

For the record, they did state that they set the requirement at 1100 because it's geared towards people who have been playing for a very long time (since EP1).
for the record, there are lazy people who didnt bother with titles and stopped playing only to come back will be the ones upset at what a tedious grind for titles this will be. the 1300 for amphradite is out my league tho, ill get chronos then stop because i dont have the moxie to bother

[Saffran]

Cmon, you all have over 10k hours on this game, don't even try to deny it ;)

All jokes aside, Lumieres being a direct drop last week was a nice change of pace (if very annoying considering all the hassle I had looking for Jutis).
I somehow always end up with the same type of weaons though, the ones I hate (talis and TMG).

[Ceresa]

for the record, there are lazy people who didnt bother with titles and stopped playing only to come back will be the ones upset at what a tedious grind for titles this will be. the 1300 for amphradite is out my league tho, ill get chronos then stop because i dont have the moxie to bother

Where did you hear 1300 for an Amphridite? Or is that just speculation?

[the_importer_]

Yep. So think of the whitill units as a checkpoint and indicator that you're almost there.

[SPOILER-BOX]https://i.imgur.com/KAfj0sh.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

Oh, so that's why I got a 3rd Stone after the maintenance. I thought it was a glitch or something.

Off-topic, why aren't Japanese players asking for true 4K support? These people have TO and monitors that supports 8K now, this is getting ridiculous.

[Saffran]

Because they're sensible enough to realize the game has more urgent issues than 8k support?

[ArcaneTechs]

Because the importer has me blocked but for some reason doesnt realize that theyre going to bother enhancing the game further if since theres only 3yrs left and pso3 is pretty much getting ready to be started at this point. I mean whats the point in 4k/8k for this game right now? Even when they said no new tier in the game settings being added

[Dark Mits]

As an armchair dev, I would put 4K and 8K support lower on the list of things to be implemented/improved. The game doesn't even have a fully functional chat system or Team Management system, and there are many clunky mechanics like the Block system. And everyone's favourite, not being able to reconnect to same room after 630.

[the_importer_]

Because they're sensible enough to realize the game has more urgent issues than 8k support?

8K would kind of dumb, but 4K is the standard for PC games nowadays. Regardless of what "needs" to be fixed, they could still get with the times.

[ralf542]

4K is the standard for PC games nowadays.
Is this the reason why we still get locked 30/60 FPS games and things like knife damage tied to FPS?

[Meteor Weapon]

4K is the standard for PC games nowadays.

funny joke had me laughed

[Loveless62]

I don't know if 4K is really the standard for PCs or even should be, but people can run a less graphically demanding game like PSO2 at 4K. There is no reason that the UI should look as bad as it does at 4K. I realize that 4K may not be a priority, but I don't think recalculating the UI scaling for 4K would be that difficult.

[kurokyosuke]

PC gaming isn't exactly huge in Japan. A lot of people playing PSO2 run it on a potato; 4k support would be the last thing they care about.


... the 1300 for amphradite is out my league tho...

Also need source on that.

[Loveless62]

PC gaming isn't exactly huge in Japan. A lot of people playing PSO2 run it on a potato; 4k support would be the last thing they care about.
Well, JP has the PS4 Pro, which can do 4K. Wouldn't they at least be interested in 4K for that?

[Flaoc]

4k resolution really isnt that impressive compared to the performance hit modern gpu will take.. and console will struggle to even hit 30 fps like that

1440p still gets good frames and looks. granted the biggest jump between my 1080p and 1440p monitors was still the AA more than the added clarity.. law of diminishing returns kicks in around here.. also 1440p can still hit 144hz on a single gpu which 144hz is a bigger jump in difference compared to 1080p vs 1440p vs 4k

[the_importer_]

Is this the reason why we still get locked 30/60 FPS games and things like knife damage tied to FPS?

While 30 FPS is unforgivable, 60 FPS is good enough for most games that aren't about competing with other players (FPS, sports, etc.)



funny joke had me laughed

Not because you don't run games in 2160p means that it's not a standard. 90% of modern game I've purchased on Steam or GOG has a 2160p resolution. Even older games get a patch for 4K eventually (official source or fan made).

[ZerotakerZX]

Well, JP has the PS4 Pro, which can do 4K. Wouldn't they at least be interested in 4K for that?

Pro? barely so. XOX is whole other deal, but MS consoles are also ded in JP.

[Arada]

While 30 FPS is unforgivable, 60 FPS is good enough for most games that aren't about competing with other players (FPS, sports, etc.)




Not because you don't run games in 2160p means that it's not a standard. 90% of modern game I've purchased on Steam or GOG has a 2160p resolution. Even older games get a patch for 4K eventually (official source or fan made).

And you're argument is equally not good. It's not because 90% of the games you purchase have the option that many players are interested or can even run 4k resolutions on their computers.
If you factually look at GPU stats on steam for instance, the percentage of GPU used that can smoothly run 4k is around 12-13% of the total number of users.

And if you factor that JP players are not amongst the best equiped to run games on computers, that means that probably less than 10% of their player base could run 4k.
They will not invest resources for that on a dying game.

[ArcaneTechs]

Where did you hear 1300 for an Amphridite? Or is that just speculation?

Also need source on that.
i had to triple check this info with some other people and its a mistake on my end

[Dark Mits]

I stumbled about this particular site, which has resolution popularity (http://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats/desktop/worldwide/2019). Unfortunately it does not have a gaming section. I was fairly certain Steam or some other popular platform had some statistics, but I can't find it.

Prepost edit: I actually found the one from Steam (https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam). 60% of the "share" goes to 1920x1080. 4K is at less than 2%. This is for January 2019.

[Loveless62]

Pro? barely so. XOX is whole other deal, but MS consoles are also ded in JP.
It is true that most PS4 games on PS4 Pro do not run 4K at 60fps. However, most PS4 games are also more graphically demanding than PSO2. I would think that PS4 Pro would have a good chance of running PSO2 at 4K with 60fps.

[Saffran]

About that 1300 titles stone, it's not implemented yet. I have over 1400 titles and nope.

[kurokyosuke]

About that 1300 titles stone, it's not implemented yet. I have over 1400 titles and nope.


i had to triple check this info with some other people and its a mistake on my end

Big oof.

[cheapgunner]

Wish they would allow you to sort Pets by type/rarity/element/etc. Would make my Pet Menu much neater as a result.

[ArcaneTechs]

Wish they would allow you to sort Pets by type/rarity/element/etc. Would make my Pet Menu much neater as a result.
a general sorting setting would be great, i want to put my pets in order from most to least used or bossing builds but i cant unless i turn them back to eggs which would be kinda dumb

[Azure Falcon]

Where's my Evleda Unit upgrades, SEGA? You've postponed them three times already!
-- Due for EP6! The upgraded Units will be revealed in Summer!

They're going to be useless, aren't they? I just can't see that Sega are going to finally going to give people with garbage luck a chance to have some units that aren't 1-2 years behind the curve for once.

[Masu]

They're going to be useless, aren't they? I just can't see that Sega are going to finally going to give people with garbage luck a chance to have some units that aren't 1-2 years behind the curve for once.

The upgrade will be to replace the very old Ray exchange from Xies and keep some people busy during the usually dull PSO2 summer period.
999 gold mats, 999 cleasis and schvelle stones, 200 excubes per unit. You will get from this negligible expense +10 more all atks, +3 pp, 15 all def and 25 more Hp on top of base Evleda stats. If you have a full set you'll get 80 DEX as a bonus...OP :lol:
[SPOILER-BOX]Yes it's a TROLL :innocent:[/SPOILER-BOX]

[echofaith]

I wouldnt mind if they did that. Stats would be 85 hp, 13 PP, and 35 atk along with decent defense. Possibly the best substitute for those who dont have their celestial units yet and dont want to rely in Austere rear/arm set. But chances are they will end up being the same as most 12* so far :/

[Saffran]

I'm not making any more rings. I will never have any other units anymore.

[ArcaneTechs]

They're going to be useless, aren't they? I just can't see that Sega are going to finally going to give people with garbage luck a chance to have some units that aren't 1-2 years behind the curve for once.
Most people should know by now that event gear is genuiely not that good, usually mid tier or below level so people with Lightstream units will be fine

[Azure Falcon]

Most people should know by now that event gear is genuiely not that good, usually mid tier or below level so people with Lightstream units will be fine
Lightstream units? Sorry, never heard of them. They sound like something that would have a non-existent drop rate, no alternate means to acquire and instantly upgradable for a few worthless stones though. They definitely don't sound like units that would have a fair drop rate and require work proportionate to the stat bonuses to upgrade - like weapons do.

[ArcaneTechs]

Lightstream units? Sorry, never heard of them. They sound like something that would have a non-existent drop rate, no alternate means to acquire and instantly upgradable for a few worthless stones though. They definitely don't sound like units that would have a fair drop rate and require work proportionate to the stat bonuses to upgrade - like weapons do.

Smells like, like one run andy with bad RNG.

I mean i still havent gotten a full set and i do 3 runs every EQ yet im not goin to rely on obviously not up to par Evleda unit upgrades. Be lucky if those units are slightly better than Bode and Falz units

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

Smells like, like one run andy with bad RNG.

Let's not start implying multi-shipping + character transferring should be the norm for getting the best stuff in game.

[Dark Mits]

Lightstream is for EP5 what Qliphad was for EP4's; a series of weapons and units intended to last longer than 6 months, and probably better than whatever the first "tier" of equipment of EP6 will be. Which could explain why Sega decided to not upgrade Evleda in EP5. That, or they intend to make us farm some more Buster Quests in EP6.


Let's not start implying multi-shipping + character transferring should be the norm for getting the best stuff in game.I think Sega is too afraid to put their foot down and make EQ lock account wide on all ships. After all, character transfers is a source of revenue for them. Personally I am fine with people multishipping, but in my opinion it becomes a problem if a player becomes toxic because they missed a 3rd (or even 4th) run. Just like I had a toxic player in a seasonal mpa once because they missed a 5th run because I was gathering items.

[Masu]

Let's not start implying multi-shipping + character transferring should be the norm for getting the best stuff in game.

Because it's bs anyway...I have a full set + extra leg and rear on single ship.
Drop formula: Do not get party boost, get at least the 160% (170 is better) drop bonus, use your usual rdb 250+daily tri combo, burn all your sg for tri125. Get rdb buff from timed on 2 units (not 3 ! ). Enjoy :v

Disclaimer: This won't work for 14* and up!

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I think Sega is too afraid to put their foot down and make EQ lock account wide on all ships. After all, character transfers is a source of revenue for them. Personally I am fine with people multishipping, but in my opinion it becomes a problem if a player becomes toxic because they missed a 3rd (or even 4th) run. Just like I had a toxic player in a seasonal mpa once because they missed a 5th run because I was gathering items.

I'm just saying that multishipping should never be the intended answer for stupid drop rates and ship run limits. Players can multiship all they want, but if SEGA wants to stay with the single-run-per-ship plan, higher droprates/trade-ins (could be stones, or unwanted repeat units) across the board for EQs like persona should be the norm.

Rates and rewards shouldn't be based around the people who make a bunch of characters on different ships, level them up, gear them up, and transferring whichever ones get lucky. This is too reminiscent of World of Warcraft: Legion's release with legendary gear when people multi-boxed multiple accounts to see which ones got the good legendary drops, and play that account.


Because it's bs anyway...I have a full set + extra leg and rear on single ship.
Drop formula: Do not get party boost, get at least the 160% (170 is better) drop bonus, use your usual rdb 250+daily tri combo, burn all your sg for tri125. Get rdb buff from timed on 2 units (not 3 ! ). Enjoy :v

Disclaimer: This won't work for 14* and up!

Pretty sure there's no method to pure RNG unless you're implying too much RDR pushes 12* units off the table somehow.

[Masu]

Pretty sure there's no method to pure RNG unless you're implying too much RDR pushes 12* units off the table somehow.

JK , just reporting what buff I had when I got them.

[ArcaneTechs]

I'm just saying that multishipping should never be the intended answer for stupid drop rates and ship run limits. Players can multiship all they want, but if SEGA wants to stay with the single-run-per-ship plan, higher droprates/trade-ins (could be stones, or unwanted repeat units) across the board for EQs like persona should be the norm.

Rates and rewards shouldn't be based around the people who make a bunch of characters on different ships, level them up, gear them up, and transferring whichever ones get lucky. This is too reminiscent of World of Warcraft: Legion's release with legendary gear when people multi-boxed multiple accounts to see which ones got the good legendary drops, and play that account.



Pretty sure there's no method to pure RNG unless you're implying too much RDR pushes 12* units off the table somehow.
I do agree with this but the RNG is so dumb with this WHILE multi shipping that it almost feels like its the only way. Hell lets do the 50 or even 100 stone trade for a unit of choice, even if it had to be one unit and 50 stones so i can use the dupes for something

[Maninbluejumpsuit]

I do agree with this but the RNG is so dumb with this WHILE multi shipping that it almost feels like its the only way.

And that's exactly my beef with this whole thing.


Hell lets do the 50 or even 100 stone trade for a unit of choice, even if it had to be one unit and 50 stones so i can use the dupes for something

I already have a lightstream weapon which leaves me with ~500 stones I've got nothing to do with, a spare rear, and two spare legs. I'm more than willing to trade much of this just for the arm because there's no promise I'll ever get what I've been working toward. Another boost week I need is coming and all the celestial drops from now til then could be more rears and legs for all I know.

Pure RNG gating doesn't make sense anymore, and we just end up with duplicates we can't use, or don't need.

[ZerotakerZX]

Wow, you all so salty. I remember being that salty when I had no lightstream set. But now I do and I feel at peace. Which means... this game basically ruins our life

[ArcaneTechs]

Wow, you all so salty. I remember being that salty when I had no lightstream set. But now I do and I feel at peace. Which means... this game basically ruins our life
ragin cajun

[Dark Mits]

Rates and rewards shouldn't be based around the people who make a bunch of characters on different ships, level them up, gear them up, and transferring whichever ones get lucky. This is too reminiscent of World of Warcraft: Legion's release with legendary gear when people multi-boxed multiple accounts to see which ones got the good legendary drops, and play that account.Agreed 100%. Again as a armchair developer, I would personally "fix the issue" of having multiple characters as the only viable source of equipment and meseta income. To me having multiple characters should be because a player wants to (role)play as a different looking avatar, not as a means to bypass the daily/weekly CO lockouts and EQ lockouts.

The issue you highlight, which as you mention was also evident in WoW Legion, is that there's an arm race between players who try to find the path of least resistance, and developers who try to "increase" this resistance in order to extend the lifetime of new content. And because players wanted to have as many max level characters as possible in order to increase their chances for equipment, they also demanded faster levelling methods. Which led to content being designed exclusively for that reason, which invalidated existing content and "imposed" repetitive grinding of said new content. Which in turn causes burnout.

[Azure Falcon]

Smells like, like one run andy with bad RNG.

I mean i still havent gotten a full set and i do 3 runs every EQ yet im not goin to rely on obviously not up to par Evleda unit upgrades. Be lucky if those units are slightly better than Bode and Falz units

I have no units of any kind from Persona, in fact I'm still using 3-4 year old crafted 11* ones because the 12*s I have are all long outclassed and barely even an upgrade statwise so they're a waste to affix. I'm dying for a trade to be implemented for non-poverty units for once, they remain the one thing you can't obtain purely from time and effort.

[ZerotakerZX]

Agreed 100%. Again as a armchair developer, I would personally "fix the issue" of having multiple characters as the only viable source of equipment and meseta income. To me having multiple characters should be because a player wants to (role)play as a different looking avatar, not as a means to bypass the daily/weekly CO lockouts and EQ lockouts.

The issue you highlight, which as you mention was also evident in WoW Legion, is that there's an arm race between players who try to find the path of least resistance, and developers who try to "increase" this resistance in order to extend the lifetime of new content. And because players wanted to have as many max level characters as possible in order to increase their chances for equipment, they also demanded faster levelling methods. Which led to content being designed exclusively for that reason, which invalidated existing content and "imposed" repetitive grinding of said new content. Which in turn causes burnout.I would like to see that classes that you are leveling up just apply to all chars. And daily boost too.

I have no units of any kind from Persona, in fact I'm still using 3-4 year old crafted 11* ones because the 12*s I have are all long outclassed and barely even an upgrade statwise so they're a waste to affix. I'm dying for a trade to be implemented for non-poverty units for once, they remain the one thing you can't obtain purely from time and effort.

what about rings?

[Azure Falcon]

what about rings?
The addition of ring abilities to the skill trees was a blessing, I only need two now which Clawdem from the LQ has taken care of (leg and arm are the old 11* double units).

[Zulastar]

I would like to see that classes that you are leveling up just apply to all chars. And daily boost too.

Besides that I wish there were united daily CO's list, TACO's cooldown, storage and Bingo files - the only reasons I run 3 characters instead of 1-2 for just rolepaly needs. Running similar shit tripple made me really puke sometimes T_T

[ZerotakerZX]

The addition of ring abilities to the skill trees was a blessing, I only need two now which Clawdem from the LQ has taken care of (leg and arm are the old 11* double units).
Kewl, I'm using double set still, since when crafted stat boosts can overcome any full 12* set. Well, any beside lightsream, but I need dudu boost to actually make them usable.

[ArcaneTechs]

Kewl, I'm using double set still, since when crafted stat boosts can overcome any full 12* set. Well, any beside lightsream, but I need dudu boost to actually make them usable.
i chuckled

[ZerotakerZX]

i chuckled
Don't worry, I laugh about argumentless ppl full stop. Not the first one for you tho

How's your lightstream set doing btw? Maybe you should buy more chars on different ships :-D If not, whine about your rotten luck some more here, funny to read them as well.

[ArcaneTechs]

Don't worry, I laugh about argumentless ppl full stop. Not the first one for you tho

How's your lightstream set doing btw? Maybe you should buy more chars on different ships :-D If not, whine about your rotten luck some more here, funny to read them as well.
Brb stuck in 2014 with my crafted units

[Flatflyer]

Kewl, I'm using double set still, since when crafted stat boosts can overcome any full 12* set. Well, any beside lightsream, but I need dudu boost to actually make them usable.
crafted units have been worse since like, end of EP4 my dude.

not even just stat bonuses, the defense on all units since zein/qliph have just been straight up better than crafted ones.

[TheFanaticViper]

crafted units have been worse since like, end of EP4 my dude.

not even just stat bonuses, the defense on all units since zein/qliph have just been straight up better than crafted ones.

Double set crafted for HP : 320 HP / 20PP
Double set crafted for PP : 120 HP / 40 PP

There's nothing wrong still using it, pair it with a good 12s rear and the only disadvantage is the 2 missing skill rings.

[Saffran]

Zerotaker> I can see 21 types of units that are straight up better in the list. You can get some of them for free thanks to Xie's shop and some of them drop like candy in the LQ.

[ZerotakerZX]

Brb stuck in 2014 with my crafted units

No math skills, no dispute skills, no lightsream set. Bonus: never had sex. #born2lose
Happy vain farming, m8:D

[Dark Mits]

I thought that the reason 11* units are out of fashion is because of lower ATK and not because of DEF, HP and PP.

[echofaith]

Double set does have the highest HP/PP pool possible of any unit combination, even higher than lightstream, though no atk bonus. Is very good considering how accesible it is :p

[Saffran]

DarkMits > it's because of rings. And lately because the newer units have better stats overall.
Echo> 120HP and 20 PP is by far *not* "the best possible of any combination." What "double" units are you talking about?

Edit: Wasn't Crafting supposed to erase whatver bonus the units had to replace it with the desired bonus? If Double unit set has 40PP instead of 20PP, it should be a bug and not a feature. I guess Sega will be Sega.
Second Edit: Aah I see it now. It's logical, actually. I guess they're still useful even by today's standards.

[echofaith]

You kinda do. PP craft set its to be 4% shoot resistance, while HP craft is 4% strike resist. There is another craft focused in Tech(tech and all 6 elements resists for 4% each) but it gives only 30 HP and 3 PP, so almost no one use it.

[ArcaneTechs]

No math skills, no dispute skills, no lightsream set. Bonus: never had sex. #born2lose
Happy vain farming, m8:D
My one missing unit isnt handicapping me in any way bro but your inability to get with the times with 12* units may be impacting your brain cell lifespawn kek you've probably never cleared the last solo Quests (at least depth 50min) or done one lap of Endless. Hurry old man, your units wont last forever GOT'EM

Let me throw a little extra insight for ya, 12* (and even 11*) Austere and Arm + 12* leg are still top tier, 2nd to a Lightstream set. Crafted Double units dont compare no matter high the crafts are but enjoy no stats double units w

[Flatflyer]

issue with double units is that while the HP and PP is nice, damage is king in this game and the attack bonus from those 12* units far outweighs the extra HP and PP you gain from the double 11*s

[ArcaneTechs]

issue with double units is that while the HP and PP is nice, damage is king in this game and the attack bonus from those 12* units far outweighs the extra HP and PP you gain from the double 11*s

Literally use a Rappy Shine unit if you want HP which probably didnt cross his mind since that one unit gives double of what the crafts can offer

[TakemiShinnosuke]

Yep. So think of the whitill units as a checkpoint and indicator that you're almost there.

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Question from me: Are you saying that as long I have 1100 titles , I will get the third stone. an this title stuff applies as of this typing ??
Add on: IT can be any title as long it is 1100 titles right? no specifics on what the 1100 must contain right ??

From my own list I have 728 unlocked which leaves 372 to 1100.
When you count again is it not that 1100 would be basically every single title of this game. So basically they are asking us to complete everything ??

[Arada]

Question from me: Are you saying that as long I have 1100 titles , I will get the third stone. an this title stuff applies as of this typing ??
Add on: IT can be any title as long it is 1100 titles right? no specifics on what the 1100 must contain right ??

From my own list I have 728 unlocked which leaves 372 to 1100.
When you count again is it not that 1100 would be basically every single title of this game. So basically they are asking us to complete everything ??

Sega said there are around 1400 titles in total.
Some titles don't show in the menu if you don't have the corresponding partner card for instance so don't trust what your menu shows.

[Dark Mits]

Question from me: Are you saying that as long I have 1100 titles , I will get the third stone. an this title stuff applies as of this typing ??
Add on: IT can be any title as long it is 1100 titles right? no specifics on what the 1100 must contain right ??

From my own list I have 728 unlocked which leaves 372 to 1100.
When you count again is it not that 1100 would be basically every single title of this game. So basically they are asking us to complete everything ??There are at least 1400 titles. To get 1100 titles, the game basically requires from you to perform tasks that do not "advance" your character, but are for the most part timesinks and goldsinks.

[TakemiShinnosuke]

There are at least 1400 titles. To get 1100 titles, the game basically requires from you to perform tasks that do not "advance" your character, but are for the most part timesinks and goldsinks.

which means things like crafting and all right ??
btw I checked and one one them read craft 200 items .. lol ??

add on: that story cut scene ep 5 persona chronos crystal is per account or per character ??

[Dark Mits]

which means things like crafting and all right ??
btw I checked and one one them read craft 200 items .. lol ??

add on: that story cut scene ep 5 persona chronos crystal is per account or per character ??Yes, crafting titles are some of the most meseta-consuming and time-consuming; if anything because of the machine cooldowns, especially if you have access only to the 3 default machines.

The title reward is account-wide.

[ArcaneTechs]

Question from me: Are you saying that as long I have 1100 titles , I will get the third stone. an this title stuff applies as of this typing ??
Add on: IT can be any title as long it is 1100 titles right? no specifics on what the 1100 must contain right ??

From my own list I have 728 unlocked which leaves 372 to 1100.
When you count again is it not that 1100 would be basically every single title of this game. So basically they are asking us to complete everything ??
I always find it funny when you find this stuff out, nothing personal, just a thought

But ya just get 1100 titles and your set with another Chronos Stone