Expert mode requirement : Directory, help and Q&A

[Zephyrion]

OK, since I've seen a lot of antagonizing regarding expert, I've decided to make a thread that's more aimed towards helping each other.
It's mostly a directory, regrouping various optimal or less optimal clears of both Destroyers of Light and Phanatical Phantoms. If anyone has good suggestion of extra footage, be sure to post it and I will include it in the directory !

I intend this to also be a thread dedicated to helping people. First and foremost tho

Guiderules

- Be precise and thorough in your questioning. Nobody will help you if you just say "This is 2 hard" or "I don't do enough damage" You'll have to specify your class, your state (HP/PP weapon and units, the finer details of affixes actually doesn't really matter so you can skip it) what stage/ part of a fight you find problematic( example: I have trouble with that pattern/ clearing that phase fast enough). If you can actually record what bothers you, it would make things even better !

- In the same vein, anyone deciding to answer in case I don't, will have to be respectful and avoid needlessly antagonizing the other, as well as be constructive, and answer the questions as clearly and thoroughly as possible. While suggestions for gear upgrades are accepted, they will have to be in the reasonable scope (do not ask a newer player to go farm a full set of Lightstream)

-Obvious one, but shitposting or any post not pertaining to the subject at end won't be tolerated either. Stay civil, folks.

I'm not a moderator, but I will certainly call on one if people break those guidelines, and should it happen repeatedly, I will lock the thread.

[Zephyrion]

Directory

Phanatical Phantom

[SPOILER-BOX]Hunter
[SPOILER-BOX]fast clear
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6f7J9dd6I&t=6s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6f7J9dd6I&t=6s)
old clear (Sword only)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LnCJHI6GM0&t=68s
Hunter/Phantom (WL + techs only) leisure clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae3h_sv9A1o[/SPOILER-BOX]

Fighter
[SPOILER-BOX]fast clear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xgkyH4blKk
Slower clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTKmZZrDFgQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTKmZZrDFgQ)
Gunslash clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAqFViKPwMU[/SPOILER-BOX]

Gunner
[SPOILER-BOX]
fast clear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=001ZE3UqpxE&t=198s
No chain clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3rXJhPoM-A&t=104s[/SPOILER-BOX]

Ranger
[SPOILER-BOX]fast clear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ioNbUfe2s
Parallel Suraidaaa clear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knL3fGsU72Q[/SPOILER-BOX]

Force
[SPOILER-BOX]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ceCtlTEWo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ceCtlTEWo)
Slow Tank Force mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQTvkYgWLI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQTvkYgWLI[)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Techer
[SPOILER-BOX]Techer/Phantom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AjIUU1dJ60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AjIUU1dJ60)
Techer/Hunter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbN-MLo-VJU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbN-MLo-VJU)
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Braver
[SPOILER-BOX]Katana BR/HU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKuZUhJm30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKuZUhJm30)
Bow BR/RA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQiltdNr4gs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQiltdNr4gs)
No unit clear (props to Tigy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=CmCZ3j4pPws[/SPOILER-BOX]

Bouncer
[SPOILER-BOX]Boots only
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CtHRtfjv4w (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7CtHRtfjv4w)
DB only, older run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DseOgUW-FTY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DseOgUW-FTY)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Summoner
[SPOILER-BOX]fast clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LSSlzqIZPY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LSSlzqIZPY)
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Hero
[SPOILER-BOX]
Fast clears
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkUxH1pB3CA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6it8wwUiAg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6it8wwUiAg)
CHEESE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybzJftuAn38
Undergeared clear (2017 neo JP weapons + default affix Phobos units from ARKS Mission) by Agentfalco
https://youtu.be/7NkhZX8h65o?t=14[/SPOILER-BOX]

Phantom
[SPOILER-BOX]Katana + Assault Rifle(fast clear)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C4F3FcSdWE
Rod (fast clear)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKz3LcplKIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKz3LcplKIA)[/SPOILER-BOX]
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Destroyers of Light

[SPOILER-BOX]Hunter
[SPOILER-BOX]Partisan clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEuJX1l0Iec&t=9s
Wired Lance clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH1vUVWfX54
Low Gear clear (Sword) (props to White Glint)
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/436506125[/SPOILER-BOX]

Fighter
[SPOILER-BOX]DS clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN50GPChp8s
TD clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN50GPChp8s
Knuckles clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V1UbJ6dSYo
Gunslash clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lafs6L6wAbs[/SPOILER-BOX]

Ranger
[SPOILER-BOX]Ranger/Hunter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7gNvipOoc
Ranger/Summoner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR-jxCsivlI
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Gunner
[SPOILER-BOX]Fast clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XsFX3G7QuA
No unit clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv8nPsu-5Ok&t=72s[/SPOILER-BOX]

Force
[SPOILER-BOX]Fast clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj1iyqkIQcg
Leisure clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr03eMsvCsE
Leisure clear 2 (props to Ezodagrom)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqTcykpd9GU [/SPOILER-BOX]

Techer
[SPOILER-BOX]Techer/Hunter (haven't found better for now)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFIdiFGUqI
Techer/Fighter (bad runs delivered to you by yours truly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zASBEkjx5RI&t=641s
Techer/Phantom (damn Rin way too fast)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7Q68o5N5k&t=40s[/SPOILER-BOX]

Braver
[SPOILER-BOX]Katana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM7ko1iygzc&t=98s
Bow BR/RA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNuAHDtF9f0&t=116s
Bow BR/PH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIUjOgnQQjg
No unit Katana clear (props to Tigy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=3Etm9u20XcA[/SPOILER-BOX]

Bouncer

[SPOILER-BOX]BO/HU boots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1dJH98NsrM
BO/HU Dual Blades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNWx4K8A8U
BO/PH Hybrid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3MrC_MXbyo[/SPOILER-BOX]

Summoner
[SPOILER-BOX]Fast clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVlyZYzYERA
Leisure clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq0cXpc4N5g
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Hero
[SPOILER-BOX]fast clear (By agent Falco)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBcbufxN3Q0
No damage clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kq1wpSKWA
leisure clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di2bQuR5bWo
undergeared clear (2017 neo JP weapons and Phobos default affix units from ARKS mission) by AgentFalco
https://youtu.be/7NkhZX8h65o?t=482[/SPOILER-BOX]

Phantom
[SPOILER-BOX]Katana clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhqWBG5UB1Q
Rifle clear (thanks to Masu for sharing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7906F6C-gVM
Rod clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E8XdOIZJ3k&t=1s
Leisure clear(rod) (Props to Karen Erra)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJuO62HiQc[/SPOILER-BOX][/SPOILER-BOX]

[Flaoc]

wtf? theres nothing cheese about my outdated hr 2 min

and to contribute this is my 8 min guides right when the trigger came out

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBcbufxN3Q0[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Zephyrion]

wtf? theres nothing cheese about my outdated hr 2 min

and to contribute this is my 8 min guides right when the trigger came out

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBcbufxN3Q0[/SPOILER-BOX]

thanks for the contribution, also this is actually a mislink, this should have been above with the 3:27 run, and the cheese run just got lost in the copypaste nightmare xD. Fixed now

[Masu]

Ph Mom/Desu. Rifle : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7906F6C-gVM not mine so I don't know if it's ok to be used in list?

[Zephyrion]

Ph Mom/Desu. Rifle : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7906F6C-gVM not mine so I don't know if it's ok to be used in list?

Any public run is fine !

[ZerotakerZX]

Directory

Phanatical Phantom

[SPOILER-BOX]Hunter
[SPOILER-BOX]www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6f7J9dd6I&t=6s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6f7J9dd6I&t=6s)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Fighter
[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xgkyH4blKk
Slower clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTKmZZrDFgQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTKmZZrDFgQ)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Gunner
[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=001ZE3UqpxE&t=198s
No chain clear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3rXJhPoM-A[/SPOILER-BOX]

Ranger
[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ioNbUfe2s
Parallel Suraidaaa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knL3fGsU72Q[/SPOILER-BOX]

Force
[SPOILER-BOX]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ceCtlTEWo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ceCtlTEWo)
Slow Tank Force mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQTvkYgWLI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQTvkYgWLI[)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Techer
[SPOILER-BOX]Techer/Phantom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AjIUU1dJ60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AjIUU1dJ60)
Techer/Hunter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbN-MLo-VJU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbN-MLo-VJU)
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Braver
[SPOILER-BOX]Katana BR/HU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKuZUhJm30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKuZUhJm30)
Bow BR/RA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQiltdNr4gs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQiltdNr4gs)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Bouncer
[SPOILER-BOX]Boots only
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CtHRtfjv4w (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7CtHRtfjv4w)
DB only, older run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DseOgUW-FTY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DseOgUW-FTY)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Summoner
[SPOILER-BOX]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LSSlzqIZPY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LSSlzqIZPY)
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Hero
[SPOILER-BOX]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkUxH1pB3CA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6it8wwUiAg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6it8wwUiAg)
CHEESE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybzJftuAn38[/SPOILER-BOX]

Phantom
[SPOILER-BOX]Katana + Assault Rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C4F3FcSdWE
Rod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKz3LcplKIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKz3LcplKIA)[/SPOILER-BOX]
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Destroyers of Light directory will be updated as soon as I'm done compiling runs for it !

Wow, you actually recording doing quests for all the classes? Wicked.

[Zephyrion]

Wow, you actually recording doing quests for all the classes? Wicked.

No I'm far from good enough to show this, although I did S rank both quests with all classes. I think it's better to share more optimized runs, especially considering how my levels of proficiency aren't that high on some classes (looking at you Bouncer). The goal is to share already recorded run of various weapons and class weapons to get decent reference for your class, then attempt the quest and use this thread to see strategies you could tweak to fit your gears and needs, ways to deal with some things in a slower but safer way and so on.

[ArcaneTechs]

Directory

Phanatical Phantom

[SPOILER-BOX]Hunter
[SPOILER-BOX]www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6f7J9dd6I&t=6s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6f7J9dd6I&t=6s)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Fighter
[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xgkyH4blKk
Slower clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTKmZZrDFgQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTKmZZrDFgQ)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Gunner
[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=001ZE3UqpxE&t=198s
No chain clear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3rXJhPoM-A[/SPOILER-BOX]

Ranger
[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ioNbUfe2s
Parallel Suraidaaa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knL3fGsU72Q[/SPOILER-BOX]

Force
[SPOILER-BOX]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ceCtlTEWo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ceCtlTEWo)
Slow Tank Force mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQTvkYgWLI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQTvkYgWLI[)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Techer
[SPOILER-BOX]Techer/Phantom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AjIUU1dJ60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AjIUU1dJ60)
Techer/Hunter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbN-MLo-VJU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbN-MLo-VJU)
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Braver
[SPOILER-BOX]Katana BR/HU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKuZUhJm30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKuZUhJm30)
Bow BR/RA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQiltdNr4gs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQiltdNr4gs)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Bouncer
[SPOILER-BOX]Boots only
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CtHRtfjv4w (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7CtHRtfjv4w)
DB only, older run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DseOgUW-FTY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DseOgUW-FTY)[/SPOILER-BOX]

Summoner
[SPOILER-BOX]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LSSlzqIZPY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LSSlzqIZPY)
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Hero
[SPOILER-BOX]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkUxH1pB3CA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6it8wwUiAg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6it8wwUiAg)
CHEESE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybzJftuAn38[/SPOILER-BOX]

Phantom
[SPOILER-BOX]Katana + Assault Rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C4F3FcSdWE
Rod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKz3LcplKIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKz3LcplKIA)[/SPOILER-BOX]
[/SPOILER-BOX]

Destroyers of Light directory will be updated as soon as I'm done compiling runs for it !

I had been debating on doing the exact thread for the past few days to help people out but as I settled some time today to do it, you got the jump on it. Good work my man

[vantpers]

No I'm far from good enough to show this, although I did S rank both quests with all classes. I think it's better to share more optimized runs, especially considering how my levels of proficiency aren't that high on some classes (looking at you Bouncer). The goal is to share already recorded run of various weapons and class weapons to get decent reference for your class, then attempt the quest and use this thread to see strategies you could tweak to fit your gears and needs, ways to deal with some things in a slower but safer way and so on.
Highly optimized runs often aren't the best thing to show. Taking for example Hu/Fi clear by Me-ri, he jumps into Deus fight by emptying his PP bar to get Lighstream pot bonus damage going then parries several attacks, his way oversized damage numbers cause really early phase switch which he does the optimal 4 ignite parryings on and the fight ends without Deus getting to use his other attacks. A beginner won't be able to pull it off because of damage number differences, and of course he might have trouble getting the execution down in limited time or tries by XQ passes, since the Deus phase change counter is tricky to pull and if not successful, will probably kill you. The PP bar dumping also obviously relies on LS and doesn't work with other weapons. Similarly some more varied runs by players using different runs or for example not relying on just taking most of the damage in stage 4 would be good too. The more the better generally.

[ArcaneTechs]

Highly optimized runs often aren't the best thing to show. Taking for example Hu/Fi clear by Me-ri, he jumps into Deus fight by emptying his PP bar to get Lighstream pot bonus damage going then parries several attacks, his way oversized damage numbers cause really early phase switch which he does the optimal 4 ignite parryings on and the fight ends without Deus getting to use his other attacks. A beginner won't be able to pull it off because of damage number differences, and of course he might have trouble getting the execution down in limited time or tries by XQ passes, since the Deus phase change counter is tricky to pull and if not successful, will probably kill you. The PP bar dumping also obviously relies on LS and doesn't work with other weapons. Similarly some more varied runs by players using different runs or for example not relying on just taking most of the damage in stage 4 would be good too. The more the better generally.

pretty sure these videos arent meant to be copied every step of the way but to learn what you could be doing differently than what others are doing

[vantpers]

pretty sure these videos arent meant to be copied every step of the way but to learn what you could be doing differently than what others are doing

Yes, I am not saying to remove them, but suboptimal runs are also fine to add.

[XrosBlader821]

well speaking of suboptimal runs, here is my shit Te/Ph Mama Desu in under 15 min (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeeSnVDcKac). I only did this quest 3 times so far so im still stumbling my way through it.

[ArcaneTechs]

Yes, I am not saying to remove them, but suboptimal runs are also fine to add.

you come off (to me) sounding like there needs to be like super average runs posted which I'm not sure how often those are even uploaded to Youtube or elsewhere since the general idea is to get the fastest ( or quick) time then upload

[ralf542]

pretty sure these videos arent meant to be copied every step of the way but to learn what you could be doing differently than what others are doing
The Hu video shows that I should use ignition parry but I suck at it, how does the video help me? The dude uses Partizan too, I can't use that either and there's no WL in the video.

[vantpers]

you come off (to me) sounding like there needs to be like super average runs posted which I'm not sure how often those are even uploaded to Youtube or elsewhere since the general idea is to get the fastest ( or quick) time then upload
Super average no, but there should be plenty of fast enough runs, or runs limited to one weapon, or other kind of videos and it's fine to for example post 12 minutes Guides if the best time of a class would be 8 minutes. Let's not even go into the amount of cherrypicking that goes into making the very best video there is.

[Zephyrion]

The Hu video shows that I should use ignition parry but I suck at it, how does the video help me? The dude uses Partizan too, I can't use that either and there's no WL in the video.

I do plan to add more videos as time goes. this is not the end all be all of the directory. You can already see Hero, Fighter, Ranger and Force featuring safer/alternate ways to approach the clear, as well as classes like Bouncer and Phantom having weapon specific clears; and I only plan to add different runs as time goes on. I can't exactly check every run in a day so expect it to take a lil bit of time :). If I can find a WL only run, I'll be sure to add it to the directory !

Also, the Question and Answer part of the thread is exactly made with the purpose of bridging any gap that may exist between the footage and what you run ! It's the reason why I'm encouraging posting this type of question or even post your own footage so we can figure a way to improve WITHIN the limits of what's available to you

[ArcaneTechs]

The Hu video shows that I should use ignition parry but I suck at it, how does the video help me? The dude uses Partizan too, I can't use that either and there's no WL in the video.

don't lock yourself to one weapon


Super average no, but there should be plenty of fast enough runs, or runs limited to one weapon, or other kind of videos and it's fine to for example post 12 minutes Guides if the best time of a class would be 8 minutes. Let's not even go into the amount of cherrypicking that goes into making the very best video there is.

okay well by all means, go dig around and watch videos to be recommended in to the post because I'm not going to take the time to scavenge non optimal runs since when I watch these myself I intended to learn things I would normally wouldnt try (and to just get better at something shown in the vid in general) and just run with it from there.




Also, the Question and Answer part of the thread is exactly made with the purpose of bridging any gap that may exist between the footage and what you run ! It's the reason why I'm encouraging posting this type of question or even post your own footage so we can figure a way to improve WITHIN the limits of what's available to you

I highly suggest posting your own footage, gear, tree build etc too. Everyone can record and upload footage to youtube even if you're playing at the lowest quality possible on your pc, its better than nothing. I've seen potato PC's run high end games too so don't say "muh pc cant handle it"

[Flatflyer]

For WL, I'll say in my experience with doing solo XQ that JG/Heavenly fall will be your best friend

its kinda cheesy but for most of the floors you'll generally end up spending 75% of your time JGing attacks for damage unless you have some super tanky build that allows you to be a bit more reckless.

Other Cyclone Type-0 is notable as it works very well for clearing out the wolgas on stage 2 since you can double jump and hit them at weakpoint level.
Heavenly fall on its own also works for whenever you need it and cant trigger a JG version.
Otherwise, Grapple charge is useful for whenever you've got openings where the enemy isnt doing anything.

[Shinamori]

Boosting your damage helps as well.

This site (https://www.pso2-makapo.com/entry/2019/01/06/194909) has all the know foods and what they do. As well on Bumped (http://www.bumped.org/psublog/cuisine-list). Note: Bumped doesn't have all the foods.
Taking your team tree's attack buff helps as well. Solo guides should use weak drink (spam Random Drink ) over attack drink.

[milranduil]

The Hu video shows that I should use ignition parry but I suck at it, how does the video help me? The dude uses Partizan too, I can't use that either and there's no WL in the video.

then a reasonable suggestion is to practice ignite parry and partisan on their own before using them in solo xq. you have to put the work in!

[modoru]

somewhat related, i was able to clear solo phanatical by watching the guhu cast video
i mean, i've had it open for like two weeks and i've watched it quite a few times, but just in general it helped enough imo

that said, i'm still at a loss as to how they're doing far more damage on all their IF-t0 vs mine but i'm going to just peg it to their gear being overall better in terms of affixes

[RibbonSoft]

Just leaving this here:

https://youtu.be/49vv9hP4S1o

https://youtu.be/A17j9KFU95M

So my friend here has been obsessed with this expert thing since it was first announced and has been trying to beat Phaleg ever since. Many people have tried to help her, she has watched a ton of videos but she doesn't seem able to improve or doesn't understand what she is seeing in the videos. I don't think it's a gear thing since as you can see in the first video, she has decent gear. Also, she uses a controller because she says she can't play the game with a keyboard because it feels too weird to her and it handicaps her I guess. Anyway, just thought to post her videos showing her struggle, I personally don't think she will ever beat it because her skill level is capped out, she just isn't good enough and never will be. Some people just can't get better. I was wondering on people's thoughts though on this.

[Zulastar]

Well that's all cool, but I wanna see here


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runs wtihout these team tree buffs and PA damage drink too.
Many people don't have a team and between armada runs you just can't hunt for this drink so these aren't actual in real MPAs.

[Nyansan]

-snip-
Did your friend take forget to take Tech Short Charge?

Watching the first few seconds was enough to tell me that she hasn't gotten Phaleg attack patterns and timings down (when to dodge, when to attack etc.) and has to rely on tech charge invulnerability to avoid the attacks (and forget that you aren't invulnerable the whole time you're in orb form)

Dodging Phaleg as Ph, if you aren't hearing that clink sound (the sound of Ph dodge counter) means you aren't dodging her optimally.

I'd suggest to practice dodging in the EP4 story Phaleg fight (as it seems that Phaleg attack timing is the source of the problem). If you can hear multiple clink sounds in a row you're on the right track (don't have to dodge them all with the clink sound, but 2 in a row means you're getting her patterns right)

[oratank]

So my friend here has been obsessed with this expert thing since it was first announced and has been trying to beat Phaleg ever since. Many people have tried to help her, she has watched a ton of videos but she doesn't seem able to improve or doesn't understand what she is seeing in the videos. I don't think it's a gear thing since as you can see in the first video, she has decent gear. Also, she uses a controller because she says she can't play the game with a keyboard because it feels too weird to her and it handicaps her I guess. Anyway, just thought to post her videos showing her struggle, I personally don't think she will ever beat it because her skill level is capped out, she just isn't good enough and never will be. Some people just can't get better. I was wondering on people's thoughts though on this.

just heal yourself

[reaper527]

Many people don't have a team


that's a choice they're consciously making. they are more than capable of joining or creating a team. if the don't have one, get one. saying "not everyone has a team" is like saying "not everyone has 14* or better weapons". it's just not a relevant concern.



and between armada runs you just can't hunt for this drink so these aren't actual in real MPAs.

what are you talking about? your drink persists between armada runs right up until phase 3 where you have to re-up. there is literally no reason NOT to be using a drink for armada. grab it on the first run, and it's good for all 4 phase 1+2 runs. (and if you're talking about the team drink, that lasts for over an hour, substantially longer than the entire armada eq). besides, even if that wasn't the case, everyone who belongs in expert grabs a drink from campship before dropping down. it takes < 5 seconds.

[Flatflyer]

Just leaving this here:

So my friend here has been obsessed with this expert thing since it was first announced and has been trying to beat Phaleg ever since. Many people have tried to help her, she has watched a ton of videos but she doesn't seem able to improve or doesn't understand what she is seeing in the videos. I don't think it's a gear thing since as you can see in the first video, she has decent gear. Also, she uses a controller because she says she can't play the game with a keyboard because it feels too weird to her and it handicaps her I guess. Anyway, just thought to post her videos showing her struggle, I personally don't think she will ever beat it because her skill level is capped out, she just isn't good enough and never will be. Some people just can't get better. I was wondering on people's thoughts though on this.

an important thing I learned in my experience with phaleg is that reading her attacks should be your top priority. Dont try to sneak in attacks between her combos and try to perform guards (or dodges in this case) against most of her attacks and counter hit her when able. you'll mostly be throwing attacks out at her between her attacks and just any time shes doing something that you're absolutely certain wont hit you (like the aerial smash if you're already far away from her)

pretty much just be patient and try to practice the timing for evading her attacks, I hope that helps.

[Kondibon]

So, this is just a genral piece of advice for any solo content, but it's very important to focus on when learning stuff like the solo XQ. Don't try to get an S-rank, don't try to get a perfect run, just focus on completing it. Even if it takes you forever, it's important to actually get to the point where know you can do it. It gives you perspective on which parts you're really strugling on, and as long as you're surviving to the end you're able to observe things. After that it's a matter of optomizing things one at a time, don't try to get better at everything all at once, just focus on one part, like managing your pp better, learning a good dps rotation for burst phases, or even just optimizing your gear slightly.



So my friend here has been obsessed with this expert thing since it was first announced and has been trying to beat Phaleg ever since. Many people have tried to help her, she has watched a ton of videos but she doesn't seem able to improve or doesn't understand what she is seeing in the videos. I don't think it's a gear thing since as you can see in the first video, she has decent gear. Also, she uses a controller because she says she can't play the game with a keyboard because it feels too weird to her and it handicaps her I guess. Anyway, just thought to post her videos showing her struggle, I personally don't think she will ever beat it because her skill level is capped out, she just isn't good enough and never will be. Some people just can't get better. I was wondering on people's thoughts though on this.What does her skill tree look like, and why does she have those long gaps between casting ilgrants? I can understand being cautious, but you're actually SAFER if you spam cast as Ph. Also she seems to just be charging slow, does she not have quick charge? Also, why is she stopping to do normals when she still has so much pp?

Also, unless she's literally severely physically or mentally disabled, then there's nothing stopping her from improving. Consigning oneself to never improving honestly has a larger impact on your improvement than any sort of disability anyway. Like, even outside of video games that kind of mindset is pretty toxic for any kind of self-improvement.

[TehCubey]

So my friend here has been obsessed with this expert thing since it was first announced and has been trying to beat Phaleg ever since. Many people have tried to help her, she has watched a ton of videos but she doesn't seem able to improve or doesn't understand what she is seeing in the videos. I don't think it's a gear thing since as you can see in the first video, she has decent gear. Also, she uses a controller because she says she can't play the game with a keyboard because it feels too weird to her and it handicaps her I guess. Anyway, just thought to post her videos showing her struggle, I personally don't think she will ever beat it because her skill level is capped out, she just isn't good enough and never will be. Some people just can't get better. I was wondering on people's thoughts though on this.

Your friend's offensive uptime is bad. Too much dancing around trying to dodge or reposition while not attacking and while Phaleg isn't preparing her own attack either. It's important to know when you can (and should) attack and when you have to focus on evasion.

Using ilgrants with a rifle is a bad idea. It's better to use rifle on Phaleg's first, weaker form, and then rod after the phase transition - assuming the friend is more confident with the rod than with the rifle which seems to be the case here. Also as others pointed out the tech has surprisingly slow charge time.

An alternate route is to ignore normal offense entirely and just counter Phaleg whenever she attacks, but that requires a lot of practice because there's more opportunities to screw up and get punished for a misplay.

[vantpers]

Just leaving this here:

First video almost succeeded until someone had the grand idea of looking away from the big shit wrecking attack. Being able to face a few pixels on screen isn't something worth called a skill or even talent.

[RibbonSoft]

lol, yeah I don't know what she is doing there or why she lost her lock on there (I haven't bothered with the Phaleg fight myself, seems unfun and I don't play games to not have fun).

I don't think practice is going to do her any good since she claims she has been fighting Phaleg forever and doesn't improve. I don't think she understands the underlying mechanics of the game at all to be honest, and hence why she struggles with just basic stuff (she is terrible at dodging with over 4000 hours of playing and has never gotten even basic dodging down, or so she tells me lol). This game I don't think is for her.

[Dark Priest]

Edit: forgot to add, did your friend take Tech Short Charge?

it's pretty easy to tell that she didn't.. those charges are way to slow, phantom absolutely needs it capped at this point, as it's rod's strong point, she probably wasn't confident in it, overall, there are quite a few things she doesn't know as phantom that she needs to work on. such as when to use Voelkermord

[Kondibon]

I don't think practice is going to do her any good since she claims she has been fighting Phaleg forever and doesn't improve. I don't think she understands the underlying mechanics of the game at all to be honest, and hence why she struggles with just basic stuff (she is terrible at dodging with over 4000 hours of playing and has never gotten even basic dodging down, or so she tells me lol). This game I don't think is for her.I mean, she doesn't need to complete the expert requirements. If she's just not interested in that kind of stuff I'm not sure why she would want to complete the expert requirements anyway. It's not like non-expert groups can't complete any of the current content, and if she's not the kind of person who's bent on doing things as fast and efficiently as possible then I don't think she'll mind taking longer.

[reaper527]

Also, she uses a controller because she says she can't play the game with a keyboard because it feels too weird to her and it handicaps her I guess

she LITERALLY got killed in the first video because of changing weapons on the controller being too slow/clunky. she really should at least TRY to get used to running on a keyboard/mouse. it will make healing a lot more realistic. (i can't see the stuff on her weapon very clearly because it's a 360p video and the icons are very pixelated, and trying to pause on the split second the secondary weapon skills are displayed makes it worse) but it LOOKS like megiverse isn't even on the layout.

being able to throw in some megiverse as needed can go a long way, as it doesn't have to be charged to be useful and is going to help a lot more than resta. dropping that on the 1 or 2 slot so you can quickly cast it without having to move your hand off asdw will go a long way.

also, her tree could possibly be an issue. i see in the video she has mark heal (probably maxed out). this is typically regarded as a bad skill, so i'm wondering what the tree looks like. when i helped my sister clear the solo trigger, a skill tree reset was literally the difference between being too slow to clear versus beating the trigger with time to spare.

phaleg can't kill if you if she's already dead, and perhaps there are some important dps skills missing from the current tree. tree can be just as important as gear and affixing.

also, dropping that photon flare ring would probably be for the best. photon flare is pretty bad (especially if you're not a fo that can make use of the l85 ability). she'd be far better served with a tech crit ring. she might need to reaffix things a little bit better to get more pp, but with ph you should be able to be critting everything you touch. (which in turn gives you an unconditional 3% damage multiplier). this also allows you to upgrade your s3 from offensive intent (2%) to s3 skilled strike (4%). s2 skilled strike is also going to be better than her current s2 immediate profusion, because with 100% crit, it's effectively an unconditional boost (where as S3:IP requires you to be using different techs/PA's, which means if she does il grants spam, it's giving her nothing). even better, if she can get her hands on an s2 skilled strike 2, that's 4% (so not only is is effectively unconditional, but also a bigger multiplier than what she has). s1 skilled strike is also going to be better than her current s1, because it's always 3% (it doesn't require multiple moves to build up to that marker).

her units also could use some work. 2 of the units are only 4s (and the low res video is too blurry to tell if the last one is 3s or 5s). you can do 6s affixing VERY easily, even without a boost week. make those units:

* ares the soul
* tech 4
* persona rev
* arks fever
* sentence tech
* elegant tech

and she'll notice a huge difference (and likely a huge bump in pp, which will bring her to the photon stream cap and start getting some real gains on the critical stream.

if she has a boost week in effect, she can upslot to 6s with 100% success rate (which means she can get a 4s arks fever MUCH cheaper than a 6s one, put it on the units now and start upslotting). (if she times it with one of the 1rst of the month/maintenance day conditional boosts, she should be at least able to get arks fever at 100%, which means it won't be at risk as she's upslotting)

while affixing might not be her problem, better affixing will certainly mask playstyle problems and build a nice bridge.

[Dark Priest]

she LITERALLY got killed in the first video because of changing weapons on the controller being too slow/clunky. she really should at least TRY to get used to running on a keyboard/mouse. .

That's called user error, not a controller issue, it works perfectly fine, provided you are a competent player. in fact i find it much easier then kb and mouse.

[RibbonSoft]

I mean, she doesn't need to complete the expert requirements. If she's just not interested in that kind of stuff I'm not sure why she would want to complete the expert requirements anyway. It's not like non-expert groups can't complete any of the current content, and if she's not the kind of person who's bent on doing things as fast and efficiently as possible then I don't think she'll mind taking longer.

Oh she absolutely cares. Wow, the crying and self pity I hear from her and anger that she can't beat Phaleg. Yes, she wants to clear content as fast as possible but she gets angry because she says all the effort she puts into trying to beat Phaleg, trying to learn just doesn't pay off. She then complains that Phaleg is harder than any Dark Souls boss (lel) since she only takes two or three tries on a Dark Souls boss but then has been stuck on Phaleg for months. When she is like that she never listens, hence why I don't think she will ever get better. Her frustration has turned to rage recently and she has been hard to deal with right now. Yes, she definitely wants faster runs lol.

[Kondibon]

As someone who plays on a controler because I hate playing games like this on KBM, something like joy to key to take advantage of a lot of the keyboard only functionality might help, but again, it sounds like she isn't even the type to really care about that kind of stuff, so I'm not sure why she's even trying to complete the requirements.


Oh she absolutely cares. Wow, the crying and self pity I hear from her and anger that she can't beat Phaleg. Yes, she wants to clear content as fast as possible but she gets angry because she says all the effort she puts into trying to beat Phaleg, trying to learn just doesn't pay off. She then complains that Phaleg is harder than any Dark Souls boss (lel) since she only takes two or three tries on a Dark Souls boss but then has been stuck on Phaleg for months. When she is like that she never listens, hence why I don't think she will ever get better. Her frustration has turned to rage recently and she has been hard to deal with right now. Yes, she definitely wants faster runs lol.

Oh, if she does, then yeah, she's going to need to actually put a bit more effort in and maybe start from scratch because it seems like she hasn't even done much, if any, research into how to actually build Ph, let alone play it. Is she actually putting effort in and trying to figure out what she's doing wrong or is she just getting mad and banging her head against it expecting things to go better?

[Dark Priest]

Oh she absolutely cares. Wow, the crying and self pity I hear from her and anger that she can't beat Phaleg. Yes, she wants to clear content as fast as possible but she gets angry because she says all the effort she puts into trying to beat Phaleg, trying to learn just doesn't pay off. She then complains that Phaleg is harder than any Dark Souls boss (lel) since she only takes two or three tries on a Dark Souls boss but then has been stuck on Phaleg for months. When she is like that she never listens, hence why I don't think she will ever get better. Her frustration has turned to rage recently and she has been hard to deal with right now. Yes, she definitely wants faster runs lol.

Then tell her to level summoner, it will cost a pretty penny (meseta) but you will have significantly less phalag issues with a decent summoner, in addition to that, Su can completely ignore the penalties from failing the stage orders.

[reaper527]

That's called user error, not a controller issue, it works perfectly fine, provided you are a competent player. in fact i find it much easier then kb and mouse.

the fact of the matter is that keyboard gives you MUCH quicker access to a lot of things. i don't have to screw around with toggling my active subpallet item before casting something from it. i can also quickly swap to any of my 6 weapon layouts with a single key press rather than scrolling through them (and in addition, i can have it automatically change my active rings and subpallet when i change weapons on a keyboard by mapping my numpad to autowords for /mpal#. /spal# /sr RingName)

that's not user error, it's a less efficient design. you can argue that she shouldn't be switching weapons at all during the fight, and i wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, but you can't argue that switching weapons on a controller is anywhere near as efficient as kb/m.

if someone is struggling to clear expert requirements, they should try kb/m if they aren't already using it.

[wefwq]

the fact of the matter is that keyboard gives you MUCH quicker access to a lot of things. i don't have to screw around with toggling my active subpallet item before casting something from it. i can also quickly swap to any of my 6 weapon layouts with a single key press rather than scrolling through them (and in addition, i can have it automatically change my active rings and subpallet when i change weapons on a keyboard by mapping my numpad to autowords for /mpal#. /spal# /sr RingName)

that's not user error, it's a less efficient design. you can argue that she shouldn't be switching weapons at all during the fight, and i wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, but you can't argue that switching weapons on a controller is anywhere near as efficient as kb/m.

if someone is struggling to clear expert requirements, they should try kb/m if they aren't already using it.
You can also use keyboard while using gamepad, though? Literally just turn off direct chat mode.

[reaper527]

*snip*

who said the controller was faulty? it works exactly as designed, it was just designed inferior. if you want to use sub pallette item number 7, and then use sub pallette item number 2 after that, i'm going to be a lot faster than you because i don't have to cycle, i can simply press the command i want. you can argue that the skills you use frequently should be grouped together, but that doesn't negate that the inefficiencies of playing on a controller makes more consideration necessary for where you put things on the bar.

[Kondibon]

So, while I agree with reaper that KB/M has faster access to a lot of stuff, I don't think changing to it when you're more comfortable with gamepad in general is actually going to help. I already mentioned Joy to Key is what I use. I have access to the entire subpallet, every weapon pallet, and every subpallet book on my controler without even needing to move my hands as much as a KB player would to access all of that.

[Kondibon]

*snip*

reaper isn't saying controllers are bad, they're saying PSO2's controller support lacks functionality that KB/M has, which makes changing pallets or using your subpallet slower. that's just a fact. Yes, you can use it just fine, but that doesn't mean KB/M doesn't have advantages, assuming you're comfortable with using it. Being able to instantly switch to whichever weapon you want and use whichever sub-palette button you want without having to cycle through them is a HUGE deal, and there's simply no way to have access to that functionality on a controller without 3rd party programs.

I doubt it's what's holding her back though. I also doubt it's her gear. she has a lot of just basic stuff to improve on before considering changing control schemes or investing in better gear.

[Dark Priest]

reaper isn't saying controllers are bad, they're saying PSO2's controller support lacks functionality that KB/M has, which makes changing pallets or using your subpallet slower. that's just a fact. Yes, you can use it just fine, but that doesn't mean KB/M doesn't have advantages, assuming you're comfortable with using it.

I doubt it's what's holding her back though. I also doubt it's her gear. she has a lot of just basic stuff to improve on before considering changing control schemes or investing in better gear.

Well that i knew, i just still had no problem with it, i probably did read his wrong but he was coming off pretty odd. but this is also why i mix kb and mouse anyway.

[Stormwalker]

So, while I agree with reaper that KB/M has faster access to a lot of stuff, I don't think changing to it when you're more comfortable with gamepad in general is actually going to help. I already mentioned Joy to Key is what I use. I have access to the entire subpallet, every weapon pallet, and every subpallet book on my controler without even needing to move my hands as much as a KB player would to access all of that.

This can also be done via DS4Windows if you have a DS4 or other PS4 controller. If you're using Windows 10, of course, you'll need HIDGuardian for DS4Windows to work properly.

[Kondibon]

Well that i knew, i just still had no problem with it, i probably did read his wrong but he was coming off pretty odd. but this is also why i mix kb and mouse anyway.I mean, I think reaper is focusing on the wrong things tbh, because I know for a fact people using regular controller controls can beat it. I've seen plenty of videos, and I did it with cheapo 4s units. Like, that's not stuff you try and change first. That's stuff you come to when you're out of options for mechanical improvement, which she's not.


This can also be done via DS4Windows if you have a DS4 or other PS4 controller. If you're using Windows 10, of course, you'll need HIDGuardian for DS4Windows to work properly.I'm sure there's plenty of options, I was just pointing out that you can get KB/M functionality on a gamepad if you want to, because ultimately that's the main thing giving KB/M and advantage in PSO2, since WASD movement is honestly trash, and PSO2 isn't a game where mouse aiming is as universally important. I don't think I can go back to the normal controls.

[reaper527]

she's having trouble because she lacks skill.

lets say you go to the park and see someone shooting free throws, but they're missing all their shots. you look a little closer and notice that they're wearing a blindfold. they might lack skill, but they are additionally making things harder than they have to be by handicapping themselves with a methodology that makes it harder to succeed.

that's a perfect analogy to your position. she does lack skill, and there's no argument here on that. using less efficient input method is going to take that lack of skill and make it even harder than it already was to succeed.

i made suggestions that will bridge the skill gap. just because skill is an issue doesn't mean there aren't things that can be done that will reduce the amount of skill needed.

improving the affixing and skill tree will make it so she doesn't need to be as skilled of a player, and the same holds true for using an input method that gives better control of her character.

you don't have to like it, but keyboard/mouse objectively gives the player more efficient access to the actions they need to perform. can skill with a controller make up for the input method's inherent shortcomings in this game? sure. that doesn't eliminate them, it just raises the amount of skill needed. doubling down on the notion someone who is struggling should without question continue to use a less efficient way of playing is asinine.

the fact you edited to effectively say "lol, you can use all 3 at the same time" is pretty much an admission that the controller has flaws and keyboard input is needed to efficiently do things like use the sub pallete. if a controller wasn't a hindrance, there would be no reason to simultaneously use all 3.

[Kondibon]

lets say you go to the park and see someone shooting free throws, but they're missing all their shots. you look a little closer and notice that they're wearing a blindfold. they might lack skill, but they are additionally making things harder than they have to be by handicapping themselves with a methodology that makes it harder to succeed.

that's a perfect analogy to your position. she does lack skill, and there's no argument here on that. using less efficient input method is going to take that lack of skill and make it even harder than it already was to succeed.

i made suggestions that will bridge the skill gap. just because skill is an issue doesn't mean there aren't things that can be done that will reduce the amount of skill needed.

improving the affixing and skill tree will make it so she doesn't need to be as skilled of a player, and the same holds true for using an input method that gives better control of her character.

you don't have to like it, but keyboard/mouse objectively gives the player more efficient access to the actions they need to perform. can skill with a controller make up for the input method's inherent shortcomings in this game? sure. that doesn't eliminate them, it just raises the amount of skill needed. doubling down on the notion someone who is struggling should without question continue to use a less efficient way of playing is asinine.

the fact you edited to effectively say "lol, you can use all 3 at the same time" is pretty much an admission that the controller has flaws and keyboard input is needed to efficiently do things like use the sub pallete. if a controller wasn't a hindrance, there would be no reason to simultaneously use all 3.

The main thing is that she needs to work on her fundamentals before even considering changing control schemes, because chances are, if she's not comfortable using KB/M already then trying to force herself to use it is just going to make her worse.

Also, everything about why KB/M is better than controler is due to the fact that a bunch of functionality is locked to it, PSO2 isn't a game that requires anything inherent to the physical KB/M as peripherals, and as I and stormwalker have mentioned, there are ways around that.

[reaper527]

I mean, I think reaper is focusing on the wrong things tbh, because I know for a fact people using regular controller controls can beat it. I've seen plenty of videos, and I did it with cheapo 4s units. Like, that's not stuff you try and change first. That's stuff you come to when you're out of options for mechanical improvement, which she's not.


the thing is, there's more than 1 way to skin a cat. you are correct that she absolutely CAN clear the solo xq with her current gear with more skill . it's good enough to get the job done (asterisk to this statement since we haven't seen her skill tree and it likely needs a rework).

more skill however isn't the only way to clear the xq, and is the solution that will require the most work and dedication. improving other aspects can lower the amount of skill required. relatively inexpensive gear fixes will make the quest easier. (and she has a full set of lightstream units, so this is an investment that she'll be able to use for a long time to come. it's no like she has dead-end units like bodes). additionally, with all the skill shortcomings she has, she's still getting extremely close to clearing the stage. better gear can absolutely bridge where she is up to where she needs to be. fixing her gear is going to give her a MAJOR damage boost, and that should be enough to get the job done or at the very least, greatly reduce how much better she needs to get..

[Stormwalker]

Speaking as someone who just now unlocked expert match, I thought I'd share some of the things I learned in the process that helped me to finally break through and do it.

First, for the Solo XQ. My biggest obstacles here were Deus Hunas and Phaleg. I skipped out on most of Episode 4, so before I started doing the solo XQ, I had never actually fought Phaleg before, and had rarely fought Deus Hunas, so I didn't know the fights at all. My observations from the process of learning to clear it:
1). If you have the ability to record your own runs, do it. And then watch them. You will see mistakes you are making on the video that you don't see while you are playing, because while you are playing you are focusing on trying to survive and trying to deal damage. On the video, you can see why you got hit and how you could have avoided it, and where it cost you opportunities to deal damage. Believe me, it helps.
2). A lot (but not all) of Deus Hunas' attacks can be avoided by staying up at his head height. This is easiest to do with Dual Blades, but I don't recommend using Dual Blades for the Solo XQ because they're really difficult to fight Phaleg with. It can also be done with Twin Daggers, Katana (Phantom), and I'd presume Jet Boots, but I haven't tried it. I ultimately went with Phantom, because it gave me two weapons I was confident I could fight Phaleg with effectively.
3). While I was learning this, I believed that I would need to clear all the stage orders in order to make the time threshold. This caused me to waste a lot of runs by abandoning quest after failing Deus Hunas' stage order. Don't do that. You're costing yourself valuable practice against the later stages. Also, it's simply not true - on the run where I finally got under 15 minutes (14:08) I didn't clear either Deus Hunas' or Phaleg's stage orders. If your damage dealing is strong enough, the resistances won't really slow you down that much.
4). On the Aratron and Wolgahda's stage - yes, you can wait for Aratron to shock them, but it's really much more reliable if you bring your own shock. I had a couple of runs scrubbed because Aratron just couldn't seem to shock the Wolgahdas in a reasonable amount of time (usually he'll get them pretty quickly, but sometimes you just get unlucky). What I did: engaged them with Gizonde until shock was inflicted on at least two of them and then switched to katana for the killing.
5). It really does help to have two weapons that you're very comfortable with for Phaleg. In my case, I used katana until form change, then switched to Rod. I chose to use katana first because I found that keeping her at a distance (with rod) after form change helped me to anticipate her moves better (and thus stay alive).
6). On the Chrome Dragon stage, especially if you didn't clear Phaleg's stage order, forget breaking parts. Just go for the head and stay on it. You do more damage there, and with the way these bosses move around, sometimes getting the lock-on to target the thing you want is tricky. I chose to go Chrome -> Angel -> Apprentice, but YMMV. You should clear the whole stage before the stage order expires if you are killing fast enough. I did this with katana, using shifted PA's and Quick Cut.
7). Once you get to Omega Hunar, the biggest thing to remember is to get away from him when he's about to slam the ground (because that will kill you really fast if you get caught by it) and to watch out for the sword charges. He's got a lot of HP, so you need to be aggressive, but don't be stupidly aggressive. As a Phantom, I saved both of my Phantom Time charges for Omega Hunar to hammer him with marker detonations.
8). Throughout the entire quest, if you want to clear in time, you need to be aggressive. If you try to play cautiously, you'll run yourself out of time. That doesn't mean being reckless, but make the most out of all your opportunities.

On Destroyers of Light:
1). My first big challenge on this quest was PP management on Mother. Mother isn't a very difficult fight, but it is a very mobile fight, and it's easy to burn all your PP chasing around the stage after targets. The Lightstream potential helps here, but mostly you need to think about yoiur DPP in addition to your DPS. As a Phantom, I found the most important part of this was making heavy use of Quick Cut, as shifted PA's with Quick Cut have much better DPP than regular PA's while still having reasonably good DPS.
2). Don't chase around more than you have to. When fighting the hands, don't chase all the way across the stage at the target that happens to be in front of you if there's one close by off to one side. Travel PA's chew up PP. As a Phantom, I relied on shifted Schmetterling -> Quick Cut to get around, but this is only PP-efficient if you're close enough for Quick Cut to actually hit the target.
3). The biggest thing that was hurting my time on the Deus Esca part of this quest was missing damage windows due to getting hit, and the biggest place that happened was after chasing the orb across the stage - if I chased it all the way to the end, I found I would invariably get hit when he brought his hand back with the lightning wave. The answer to this for me was to stop chasing about 3/4 of the way across the stage and start backing away to give myself time to react. As a Phantom, this also allowed me to set myself up to dodge through the lightning on the way to hit the orb and pick up a free Dodge Counter Shot.
4). Building on point 3: ultimately, the key to finishing this quest in time is to make every damage window count. You never want to get hit, but there are certain times that avoiding damage is especially important. Getting hit right before a damage window costs you time-on-target, so it directly impacts your clear time. Ultimately, the bulk of my improvement on this quest came from analyzing where I was losing damage opportunities and changing my approach to make sure I didn't lose them.

In the end, it really boils down to knowing the fights. Most of the trouble I had with these quests was due to lack of experience with Deus Hunas, Phaleg, and Deus Esca. The only answer to that is practice, but see the observation about recording your own runs - it helps you to find and fix your mistakes faster.

[Kondibon]

the thing is, there's more than 1 way to skin a cat. you are correct that she absolutely CAN clear the solo xq with her current gear with more skill . it's good enough to get the job done (asterisk to this statement since we haven't seen her skill tree and it likely needs a rework).

more skill however isn't the only way to clear the xq, and is the solution that will require the most work and dedication. improving other aspects can lower the amount of skill required. relatively inexpensive gear fixes will make the quest easier. (and she has a full set of lightstream units, so this is an investment that she'll be able to use for a long time to come. it's no like she has dead-end units like bodes). additionally, with all the skill shortcomings she has, she's still getting extremely close to clearing the stage. better gear can absolutely bridge where she is up to where she needs to be. fixing her gear is going to give her a MAJOR damage boost, and that should be enough to get the job done or at the very least, greatly reduce how much better she needs to get..
There's nothing wrong with investing in the units, and she very much needs to change her skill tree, I just don't think changing her control scheme is going to have as much of an impact as you seem to think it will. If this was a case of like micro optimization like knowing exact rotations or something then yeah, doing something else might be a better idea, but she has a bunch of very clear ways to improve her actual gameplay, and I personally think playing better should come before improving your gear. Especially since the gear she has, even with shitty affixes, far outpaces what's actually required.

[reaper527]

There's nothing wrong with investing in the units, and she very much needs to change her skill tree, I just don't think changing her control scheme is going to have as much of an impact as you seem to think it will. If this was a case of like micro optimization like knowing exact rotations or something then yeah, doing something else might be a better idea, but she has a bunch of very clear ways to improve her actual gameplay, and I personally think playing better should come before improving your gear. Especially since the gear she has, even with shitty affixes, far outpaces what's actually required.

the thing is,she's eager to clear the xq as soon as possible. the fastest path to that is going to be addressing the gear and tree. we're all in agreement that there are skill issues here, but don't forget that she's reaching the phase change and surviving pretty far past that. she just needs a bump. i wouldn't be surprised if she clears it first try with a better tree and those recommended gear changes.

yes, you're right. her current stuff vastly outpaces what is necessary (hell, when i helped my sister beat it last weekend she had 4-5s astra units from when mother was new. read as: no reveries, no arks fever, no ares the soul). the thing is, she could beat this tomorrow by improving her affixing, or she can spend weeks/months of frustration trying to get better and clear it with her current gear. my suggestion absolutely isn't the only way for her to clear the stage, but it's a pretty safe statement to say that it's going to be the easiest path.

think of it like a difficulty selector in a game. her current setup is like playing on hard, and improving her affixing is like playing on normal. playing on keyboard/mouse may make her life easier due to the efficiencies it brings to the table (which is why i said to try it) or it may not. the affixing however objectively will make things easier. the question isn't "does she need better affixes", it's "will better affixes help", and the answer to that is unquestionably yes.

[Stormwalker]

I'm sure there's plenty of options, I was just pointing out that you can get KB/M functionality on a gamepad if you want to, because ultimately that's the main thing giving KB/M and advantage in PSO2, since WASD movement is honestly trash, and PSO2 isn't a game where mouse aiming is as universally important. I don't think I can go back to the normal controls.

Yep, This is exactly the reason I use a gamepad - I can't make myself use WASD movement in a game where I have an analog option. It just feels wrong.

[Kondibon]

the thing is,she's eager to clear the xq as soon as possible. the fastest path to that is going to be addressing the gear and tree. we're all in agreement that there are skill issues here, but don't forget that she's reaching the phase change and surviving pretty far past that. she just needs a bump. i wouldn't be surprised if she clears it first try with a better tree and those recommended gear changes.

yes, you're right. her current stuff vastly outpaces what is necessary (hell, when i helped my sister beat it last weekend she had 4-5s astra units from when mother was new. read as: no reveries, no arks fever, no ares the soul). the thing is, she could beat this tomorrow by improving her affixing, or she can spend weeks/months of frustration trying to get better and clear it with her current gear. my suggestion absolutely isn't the only way for her to clear the stage, but it's a pretty safe statement to say that it's going to be the easiest path.

think of it like a difficulty selector in a game. her current setup is like playing on hard, and improving her affixing is like playing on normal. playing on keyboard/mouse may make her life easier due to the efficiencies it brings to the table (which is why i said to try it) or it may not. the affixing however objectively will make things easier. the question isn't "does she need better affixes", it's "will better affixes help", and the answer to that is unquestionably yes.Improving her gear won't give her the skills required to learn how to improve in new encounters though. Sure it'll help, but I sincerely doubt it'll help as much as just letting go of the tech charge button more often and not normal attacking every 2 techs. That's not a tall order. And you're also kind of assuming she even has the resources to do 6s unit affixes like the ones you suggested. elegant tech and 6s arks fever cost almost 10m together on their own. Can you even get sentence tech on units? Also, don't forget she has 2 stages after this, one of which is omega hunar.

EDIT: There's also the obvious fixing her skill tree.

[reaper527]

Improving her gear won't give her the skills required to learn how to improve in new encounters though.


no, but it will allow her to learn at her leisure over time without being stuck in non-expert lobbies until she figures it out.



And you're also kind of assuming she even has the resources to do 6s unit affixes like the ones you suggested. elegant tech and 6s arks fever cost almost 10m together on their own. Can you even get sentence tech on units?


she currently has 4s units. she can buy a much cheaper 4s arks fever, put it on her unit while upslotting to 5s, and then upslot to 6s from there. she can make use of dudu day (http://www.bumped.org/psublog/dudu-boost-day/). (unfortunately, she JUST missed the day that would have given 100% success for arks fever so there would have been 0 risk of losing the affix, but if she can utilize one of the dudu days to get everything but arks fever at 100% and arks fever at 95%, that's a very safe upslot.

also, yes, sentence tech is on units. in fact, it comes exclusively in 6s. they come from buster medal shop and can be resold. (along with 6s sentence receptor units).



Also, don't forget she has 2 stages after this, one of which is omega hunar.


chrome/angel level is easy, and phaleg is A LOT harder than hunar (especially for a class that hits from a distance and has tons of i-frames). il grants after those gear fixes will murder hunar.. she can simply keep a safe distance to not get caught up in his ground strike/stun, and let stealth tech charge do the rest. after beating phaleg, the rest of the run is a formality.

[RibbonSoft]

Ok, got her to take some screenshots of her skill tree. This is what she has.
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Hmm... can't seem to post regular images for some reason. Anyway, here is her equipment:
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Thoughts?

PS: Sorry for being the middleman, she doesn't like PSOWorld very much for reasons I won't get into here, so she doesn't post herself.

[reaper527]

those units are actually affixed substantially worse than i expected (but the tree was better than i expected).

marks (and mark explosions) are a huge part of where ph's damage comes from. as such, she's going to want to max out long range mark boost (especially since she's using il grants a lot) and probably chase mark boost. you without question absolutely want to max out tech short charge.

you can pull some points from attack jellen (this is fine with 3 points, it doesn't need to be maxed), mark heal, mark pp drain, and you can trim back lord of thorn a bit more if you need more points (there is some debate over the ideal number of points to put into that skill, anywhere between 1 and 3 is fine).

[Kondibon]

no, but it will allow her to learn at her leisure over time without being stuck in non-expert lobbies until she figures it out.
If she's still learning, she shouldn't be in the expert matching. _(:3




she currently has 4s units. she can buy a much cheaper 4s arks fever, put it on her unit while upslotting to 5s, and then upslot to 6s from there. she can make use of dudu day (http://www.bumped.org/psublog/dudu-boost-day/). (unfortunately, she JUST missed the day that would have given 100% success for arks fever so there would have been 0 risk of losing the affix, but if she can utilize one of the dudu days to get everything but arks fever at 100% and arks fever at 95%, that's a very safe upslot.

also, yes, sentence tech is on units. in fact, it comes exclusively in 6s. they come from buster medal shop and can be resold. (along with 6s sentence receptor units).
That doesn't sound like a "by tomorrow" thing.



chrome/angel level is easy, and phaleg is A LOT harder than hunar (especially for a class that hits from a distance and has tons of i-frames). il grants after those gear fixes will murder hunar.. she can simply keep a safe distance to not get caught up in his ground strike/stun, and let stealth tech charge do the rest. after beating phaleg, the rest of the run is a formality.Fair enough.



PS: Sorry for being the middleman, she doesn't like PSOWorld very much for reasons I won't get into here, so she doesn't post herself.I don't like PSO-W either.

If she's really intent on never using the other weapons, something like this could work. https://arks-layer.com/skillsim/skillcalc.php?18cAbMIobMIobMIobMIobMIobMIobMIobMIo bMIobMIobMIo0jdodBdo006dBdBIb00000006dodA00fdAdBIo 000000jdoIbIb00dAdBIo000000jdoIb00dBdBIb000000dB00 6dBdBIb0000008dBIn00jdndBdB0000009bIoIo07bfdBdB000 000doIbIo00dBdBIb000000jdB00dndBdB000006dBIo9b8dAI oIb000006dBdBeBdBgOHbeB2OdsrFIpIbrBrFcF000000

There's a single point in mark heal to make it easier to tell when you get a maxed mark through all the particle effects, but that can easily be moved back into lord of thorn. She could also drop short ranged mark boost entirely and max counter or something, but mainly I think she should just focus on cleaning up the mark boosts and maxing short charge.

EDIT: Also, I looked at the videos again, and I think one thing she should work on, that isn't even related to the XQ specifically, is her JA timing, I noticed she waits a really long time before attacking again. She can literally practice this in the camp ship.

[Anduril]

Well, I finally got past Phaleg for the first time by Step Attacking around her using Rifle (the death floors were great for near-constant Counter Shots) and popping Purple Marks, but whiffed it against Omega Hunar. He did his first circular snake attack, and I accidentally dodged right into one after breaking out of Stun.
Just so I can know whether or not I had a chance, assuming that I didn't die, does it seem like I would have come in under the 15 minute mark if I came into the fight at ~8:03 (as reference, I started off with a Rod Phantom Time Finisher [I was almost at a second Phantom Time as well], racked up what looked like maybe 150K [probably less, actually] damage from Techs, and didn't get to a Purple Mark before dying at ~8:34), or is he one of those so-much-HP-it-takes-ages enemies?

[Ceresa]

Well, I finally got past Phaleg for the first time by Step Attacking around her using Rifle (the death floors were great for near-constant Counter Shots) and popping purple Marks, but whiffed it against Omega Hunar. He did his first circular snake attack, and I accidentally dodged right into one after breaking out of Stun.
Just so I can know whether or not I had a chance, assuming that I didn't die, does it seem like I would have come in under the 15 minute mark if I came into the fight at ~8:03 (as reference, I started off with a Rod Phantom Time Finisher, racked up what looked like maybe 150K [probably less, actually] damage from Techs, and didn't get to a Purple Mark before dying at ~8:34)?

You should have plenty of time. For comparison Hunar has 10.5m HP, and Deus has 5m. But with the easy stage 4 order for the bonus damage to light techs for Hunar the clear time ends up pretty similar to stage 1, maybe a bit faster since you'll hit his core/sword sometimes.

[Anduril]

You should have plenty of time. For comparison Hunar has 10.5m HP, and Deus has 5m. But with the easy stage 4 order for the bonus damage to light techs for Hunar the clear time ends up pretty similar to stage 1, maybe a bit faster since you'll hit his core/sword sometimes.
Ok, that's a relief. I just hope my run against Phaleg wasn't a fluke and I can get back to Hunar to redeem myself for that stupid dodge.

[Reilet]

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I personally don't think she will ever beat it because her skill level is capped out, she just isn't good enough and never will be. Some hpeople just can't get better. I was wondering on people's thoughts though on this.

Her skill level isn’t capped, she just doesn’t have anyone to guide her well.

With that being said, I will break down the video explaining some of her mistakes.

1st video
0:20 charge a tech to hit hunar when he spawns
1:05 pop the mark immediately
1:18 use grants. Or rather, phantom is invincible during tech charging, use grants during the start of his 2nd phase opener.

Hunas end notes: be more aggressive. More than Half of the fight was spent being TOO cautious and not actually doing anything. Attack more.

2:40 Ragrants is better than nagrants. It also doesn’t put you in a situation where you need to be inside them.
3:03 still use ragrants, it can potentially hit both and it has a better chance of hitting your target
3:09 always be aware of your surroundings
3:15 mark takes half a second to charge, had she released it, she would have parried the hammer slam. Also pay attention to what the enemy is doing. That was a huge windup; you can’t miss it if you just pay attention.
3:23 again, ragrants is better in this case because it will hit both
3:50 use grants if you want to hit the hammer when it is not stationary. It is better to have something guarenteed to connect than hoping the “highest” dps move will hit.
3:50 ~3:58 needless running around to wait for the hammer to come down. Use grants.
4:00 keep using the tech, don’t try to go for a counter you don’t know you will get
4:20 the perfect opportunity to use voelkermord or whatever it’s called

Wolgahda endnotes: use AoE moves. Both Gigrants-0 and Ragrants are superior vs Nagrants and Ilgrants in this case. ilgrants is for single target dps. Pay attention to the enemy
Araton endnotes: His hammer is 100% vulnerable had you just used grants instead. Voelkermord is good during stuns. Approach him faster when you down them. Grants would have guaranteed you hitting his core once again vs Ilgrants. Ilgrants in this case is also not reliable to use during both parts.

5:43 same as with hunas, charge a tech to hit her as she spawns in

2nd vid
0:15 once again, charge a tech to hit her as she spawns
0:22 holding the tech for too long. Release it and charge another one. You wouldn’t have gotten hit had she done that. Use grants if you feel ilgrants won’t hit.
0:34 this is why you use grants instead.
0:43 release the tech and cast a new one. She had more than enough time and she wouldn’t have gotten hit
0:48 step backwards after the cast
0:58 she panic stepped. It is better to cast any tech because it has longer invincibility frames
1:40 and onwards. Tech casting on not tech weapons is simply not worth it. Use normal attacks if you must. Lock on sooner.
1:50 struggling with pp? Use the rifle normals! They are ranged for a reason.
2:00 she knew it was coming. Just slow reaction? Use something that has guard/invincibility frames (such as rifle mark explosion and startup) or even step. It’s better to step before the attack in a preemptive manner than waiting until after the attack already happens and reacting to it. Or get away faster! Rifle weapon action moves you very fast! Use step jump! Do something other than walking slowly waiting for her to attack you.
2:22 invincibility only lasts until ilgrants is fully charge if you don’t have the short charge
2:24 i suggest jumping after a step to make it faster. It doesn’t have to be a full jump either, just a tap

Phaleg endnotes: Phaleg speaks before every attack. PAY ATTENTION to when she speaks. The entire time she finishes an attack and until she speaks, you can attack free of worry. She always attacks twice atleast with all of her attacks. Take advantage of the invincibility during tech charges. HEAL. Don’t worry about the stage order; in the end, it does not matter. If you want to clear the stage order so bad, go get the lifesteal S4. Also, always keep her in your vision. The fight was relatively good, you just need to heal and be more aggresive. If you don’t feel like ilgrants is doing it for you, use grants. It is a guaranteed hit.
Realize that ilgrants was doing 4 digit numbers with the rifle; even resisted rod does more damage than that. DON’T tech on rifle. And USE your rifle normals, they are ranged! You need the pp anyways.
Use your Rifle Normals.
I can see that she heavily relies on the invincibility tech charge to evade most of phalegs attack. I highly suggest her actually taking the time to learn her attacks.
Use Grants on Phaleg.




JA timing needs to be worked on. She can go faster than that. Practice until it becomes like muscle memory.
Too many normal attacks where it is not needed. And not enough normal attacks during Phaleg.
She needs to attack more. There are way too many moments she simply stops attacking for no good reason.
She seems to think Ilgrants is the be all end all thing to do... that only works in areas where you know it will hit and in 1v1.
Why is she afraid to go under 75% pp? On the other hand, she ran out of pp during phaleg; don’t be afraid to go in after she completes an attack.
I feel like she is hesitating often. Nerves getting to her? Instead of seeing it as the super stressful “I must clear this” she should think of it as practice.
Shifta should be the last thing she uses before teleporter. As well as instantly starting it after shifta.
Her gear is NOT the problem, her play is.

[PrinceBrightstar]

I have pulled my support from this thread. It has gravitated towards dismissal of just boosting your stats after understanding mechanics if you're off by only a few minutes

[TheFanaticViper]

I share just a little trick for Phaleg with Fi class : with Gear Experience knuckles, stay on a electric trap and spawn the evasion button, done :D

[ZerotakerZX]

I share just a little trick for Phaleg with Fi class : with Gear Experience knuckles, stay on a electric trap and spawn the evasion button, done :D

Don't we also need to change weapons at some point, when she develops a resistance?

[TheFanaticViper]

Don't we also need to change weapons at some point, when she develops a resistance?
Yes i used TD for phase 1 and Gear experience for phase 2. Gear experience for the whole stage should work but it will take more time.

[XrosBlader821]

Oh speaking of Phaleg using a compound in Phase 1 with Talis often puts her close to phase two. so she develops talis resistance while Wand and Rod aren't.
Second Phase shouldn't be a problem especially if you have S4 Vamp strike

[Zephyrion]

Thanks everyone for you contribution, I will update the directory with the videos people submitted this evening along with some extras !

I'm very thankful for your contributions, but in order to keep this an orderly thread I'd ask everyone to try and make clear and constructed answers. While pieces of advice are welcome, try to be as thorough and detailed as possible to avoid everyone having to chime in, making this harder to keep track of the actual answers ! You don't necessarily have to be as thorough as he was, but I'll feature Rellet's post here to act both as a pin of sorts and give an idea of how a thorough answer should look like.
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?238416-Expert-mode-requirement-Directory-help-and-Q-amp-A&p=3464826&viewfull=1#post3464826

In addition, I know veering off-topic can be hard to avoid, but let's try and not enter corollary points like controllers vs keyboard and mouse or things like that. I personally think expert requirements are about KNOWLEDGE before any other point, hence why I made a thread dedicated to sharing said knowledge to help each other, and I hope it will stay close to the matter at hand ! Also try to not be pessimistic about people having trouble with the requirement. Sometimes, it just takes lifting a mental block or finding the missing pieces that are required to get through, it's all a part of improving as a whole, and you should be aware that as long as the will to improve and find solutions is there, requirement clears will eventually happen !

EDIT : Directory has now been updated, and the suggestions have been added, keep em coming !

[PrinceBrightstar]

Zephyrion, aside from getting my name wrong in both cases you also misrepresented these as sword only. During the XQ I use wired lance on Phaleg and for Destroyers I'm using Selc Flotz jet boots for Shifta.

[Zephyrion]

Zephyrion, aside from getting my name wrong in both cases you also misrepresented these as sword only. During the XQ I use wired lance on Phaleg and for Destroyers I'm using Selc Flotz jet boots for Shifta.

Fixed ! I won't mention Selc Flotz or any utility weapon tho because it would make things way too convoluted !

[dont_talk_to_me]

Apart from the stupid 'kb/m' masterrace comments, this is a productive thread. For the sake of not bloating the thread I won't include any of my runs. Just viewing the content in this thread, you really should be able to squeak out expert. Looking at prince's video, you really do not have to be gaming jesus to get expert.

[modoru]

fyi, your second Gu video is the HuFi video using WLs.

edit: for Destroyers, i mean

[Zephyrion]

Apart from the stupid 'kb/m' masterrace comments, this is a productive thread. For the sake of not bloating the thread I won't include any of my runs. Just viewing the content in this thread, you really should be able to squeak out expert. Looking at prince's video, you really do not have to be gaming jesus to get expert.

I'm very sorry but I plan to add videos to the Phanatical Phantom directory later down the road, and your partizan run will probably end up there :)


fyi, your second Gu video is the HuFi video using WLs.

edit: for Destroyers, i mean

Thanks ! It's now fixed !

[Ezodagrom]

Dunno if this will be of any help to anyone, but my own casual clumsy runs of Phanatical Phantoms (as Phantom) and Destroyers of Light (as FO/TE). ^^;
Phanatical Phantoms - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k8YpPQuqTo
Destroyers of Light - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqTcykpd9GU

[dont_talk_to_me]

I'm very sorry but I plan to add videos to the Phanatical Phantom directory later down the road, and your partizan run will probably end up there :)

Nah it's probably alright. If I did want to contribute anything it would be my entire run of both expert requirements in under 25 minutes (unitless). I also have a video where I fight phaleg in the story for about 6 minutes showing how to evade all of her attacks with basic movement.

Though saying that, I might record a WL only run of XQ so I have a run of each weapon; it might end up helpful who knows...

[Great Pan]

Deus Hunar still destroy me in mere minutes...

[ArcaneTechs]

Deus Hunar still destroy me in mere minutes...

cool how about posting some gameplay so you can actually get helped?

[ZerotakerZX]

I also remember there were s-affixes for weapons that gives you boost to defense and offense on Phanatical Phantoms. Dunno if they are available, but if they are, that might help those who dies during quest and/or can't provide proper DPS.

[XrosBlader821]

I also remember there were s-affixes for weapons that gives you boost to defense and offense on Phanatical Phantoms. Dunno if they are available, but if they are, that might help those who dies during quest and/or can't provide proper DPS.

they've been in the game for almost a year now but still not available.

[Kiboune]

To get S rank in "Destroyers of light" I only need to stay alive? Or time counts too?

[Arada]

To get S rank in "Destroyers of light" I only need to stay alive? Or time counts too?

You need to run it under 18 minutes (12 minutes remaining on the in-game countdown).

[Kiboune]

You need to run it under 18 minutes (12 minutes remaining on the in-game countdown).
Well this sucks...I can only clear it with 40-50 seconds left.

[Zephyrion]

Well this sucks...I can only clear it with 40-50 seconds left.

Don't hesitate to ask questions, check directory, or even record your footage for review here ! The goal of this thread is to help people clear the requirement after all !

Incidentally, unlike PD trigger, while time is of the essence, dying merely sends you back to campship on this trigger, so while still a loss of time altogether, it's not fatal so you can play a lot more aggressive than you would on PD !

[Flaoc]

well heres an undergeared using 2017 ice weps and the phobos from the story but didnt grind them (the units werent grinded i mean)

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NkhZX8h65o[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Kondibon]

Well this sucks...I can only clear it with 40-50 seconds left.
My first run ever had 10 seconds left on the timer, 4 runs later I got it to 13 seconds
left to get an S-rank, it's mostly a matter of managing your pp and burst things efficiently.

[ZerotakerZX]

My first run ever had 10 seconds left on the timer, 4 runs later I got it to 13 seconds
left to get an S-rank, it's mostly a matter of managing your pp and burst things efficiently.

I guess first tactic was highly inefficient, unlike later tactic. But it must be painful to get A rank because of 10 extra seconds, that could have been saved if not for loading times or hold before teleportation happens. Or a bit more ATK could have fixed the situation.

[Kondibon]

I guess first tactic was highly inefficient, unlike later tactic. But it must be painful to get A rank because of 10 extra seconds, that could have been saved if not for loading times or hold before teleportation happens. Or a bit more ATK could have fixed the situation.None of my runs between my first and my last ones actually cut that close while still being A-ranks. The first one was just bad because it was literally the first time I tried after having not played much at all for months. Then I had a run that about 4 minutes over, Then 2, then 13 seconds under. I could probably push it more by now, but eh.

[KaizoKage]

is having 3.6k - 4k atk and 1.6k for s,r,t def good enough when doing expert requirement? dunno if thats enough cause I just affix my stuff with apprentice soul and that persona raveier something

[ZerotakerZX]

is having 3.6k - 4k atk and 1.6k for s,r,t def good enough when doing expert requirement? dunno if thats enough cause I just affix my stuff with apprentice soul and that persona raveier something

I think yes.

[Zephyrion]

A lot of people oversell the importance of attack and defense affixes (although they do play a part, just the increase is much smaller than people think it is, the bulk of your power being on your weapon base stats, potential, element value and above all, skill tree).

From top to bottom what actually matters for expert requirement is a lot of other things
- Do I trigger and keep most of my class skills active ?
- Do I JA and use the proper PAs depending on the situation I face ?
- Do I understand boss behaviour ? (what attack do I need to watch out for ? Does the boss performs specific actions when its HP runs low ? and so on)
- Can I properly deal with boss patterns ?
- Do I manage to minimize the downtimes ? (not spending your time healing and/or missing damage windows)

Gear in all this only plays a secondary part : the only place it matters is during stuff like Mother stuns, and even so AgentFalco Hero runs shows us expert requirements are well within reach even with out-of-the box unaffixed gear handed by SEGA, as long as all the above has been worked on !aving a decent amount of HP to be above the One-hit kill threshold for basic patterns in solo XQ and otherwise having the comfort of not having to heal everytime damage is taken is actually what I would prioritize nowadays !

[Kondibon]

is having 3.6k - 4k atk and 1.6k for s,r,t def good enough when doing expert requirement? dunno if thats enough cause I just affix my stuff with apprentice soul and that persona raveier somethingThat should be fine, I'm pretty sure I had less than that when I originally did it.



A lot of people oversell the importance of attack and defense affixes (although they do play a part, just the increase is much smaller than people think it is, the bulk of your power being on your weapon base stats, potential, element value and above all, skill tree).
This is why I tell people that affixes should be the last thing you focus on, the cost of getting high end affixes is disproportionately high compared to how much you actually get out of them. Especially if you aren't farming your own fodders and don't have high end units yet.

[quickasker]

none of my unit has atk affix more than 10, i'm actually surprised that i could actually done new expert requirement. sure i was failing many times before until someone give advice to check skillring because i forgot charge parry ring. for non hr or ph i guess certain skill ring does help.

this te/ph i was running with lv 20 charge parry, lv1 atomizer lover, lv1 another wand element change, lv20 hp auto restore, an atlas ex wand with green leafs+dmg SSA+wand clobber. spent all 5 star atomizer for iframe in phaleg stage.
[SPOILER-BOX]https://i.ibb.co/0njrnGm/man.png
(buffed stat during combat)[/SPOILER-BOX]
on mother/deus trigger i have to swap my satk mag to tatk (yes i don't own dex mag) and lightstream wand to cast grants whenever deus has weak balls while standing (2nd phase?). always sit on zanverse helps, thanks to ph's quick cast. also if i have extra meseta i'm probably investing in jumping dodge ring.

[KaizoKage]

Then I should forget about affixing for a while, I dont really know whats small and big in regards with stats on my weapon and unit, and I always thought I was on the weak side.

I guess I'll just have to practice using Ph Rifle or Hr Sword when doing expert requirement. I wont clear it soon but I wont stop trying lmao thanks for clarifying that affix doesnt matter when doing expert

[NightlightPro]

can't you just sword Hr JA spam first blood (aka lazy way) and get srank on mom+deus


I don't really mean "just JA"

also use PA's like vapor bullet, etc


should be doable

[Zulastar]

well heres an undergeared using 2017 ice weps and the phobos from the story but didnt grind them (the units werent grinded i mean)

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NkhZX8h65o[/SPOILER-BOX]

Zero ping make sense.
And he still have this team tree buff on too. I really want to see any videos without this buff here...

[dont_talk_to_me]

You are overestimating the effect of team tree. Like princebrightstar video, you are probably misinformed in your idea of how strong it is. Like shifta and shifta drink, the attack boost is only applied to your Base stats (as in, the 20% is based off of your base attack which is your attack with no equipment). Give it a try, take the team attack buff and watch it only give 200-300 attack. In this day and age that is really only like 5% damage at MOST.

[ZerotakerZX]

Zero ping make sense.
And he still have this team tree buff on too. I really want to see any videos without this buff here...

You've been told about ping already.

[Masu]

Zero ping make sense.
And he still have this team tree buff on too. I really want to see any videos without this buff here...

When I saw it was someone from Iggy I stoped watching XD

Edit:@AgentFalco: Nothing wrong. Just that I know what level of gameplay to expect from them and that's also not a team made of average Joe players considering I had the "chance" to do some organized TD4 runs (when it was still new so...it's old ) with them in the previous team I was in :-P

[Flaoc]

Zero ping make sense.
And he still have this team tree buff on too. I really want to see any videos without this buff here...

more like 200 ping and on the tree buff just read dont talk to me's post


When I saw it was someone from Iggy I stoped watching XD

whats wrong with iggy edit: oh i see then

[PrinceBrightstar]

I must respectfully disagree, increasing my stats ended up saving me 3 minutes on Mother as it helped me to skip a hand phase. It can have a significant impact.

But at this point I can tell this thread has shifted towards complete dismissal of the idea. As such I am pulling my support of this thread. Please remove my video immediately from both quest listings.

[Zephyrion]

I must respectfully disagree, increasing my stats ended up saving me 3 minutes on Mother as it helped me to skip a hand phase. It can have a significant impact.

But at this point I can tell this thread has shifted towards complete dismissal of the idea. As such I am pulling my support of this thread. Please remove my video immediately from both quest listings.

Whatever suits you, videos properly removed from directory ! Also added Falco's undergeared run to it !

[Flaoc]

I must respectfully disagree, increasing my stats ended up saving me 3 minutes on Mother as it helped me to skip a hand phase. It can have a significant impact.

But at this point I can tell this thread has shifted towards complete dismissal of the idea. As such I am pulling my support of this thread. Please remove my video immediately from both quest listings.

in your video you had 4 hand phases which awhile ago sega changed mother to automatically go to her final phase regardless of how much damage is done to her after 4 phases. to get a skip you need to phase her on the 3rd down

[Kondibon]

EDIT: To the people saying the team drink only affects your base stats, I'm pretty sure every shifta-like buff takes affixes into account.


I must respectfully disagree, increasing my stats ended up saving me 3 minutes on Mother as it helped me to skip a hand phase. It can have a significant impact.If you have everything on point then upgrading your affixes will obviously have a big impact, especially if you go from having almost nothing, to 100+ on everything, but the cost effectiveness of doing that in relation to what you get out of it is considerably higher then I think is reasonable to expect of someone who can't complete the requirements without it. Even moreso if the person already has like 60-80 atk.

I personally find the extra PP makes a bigger difference than the attack.


But at this point I can tell this thread has shifted towards complete dismissal of the idea. As such I am pulling my support of this thread. Please remove my video immediately from both quest listings.There's no "complete dismissal", and I'm not sure why people being able to do it without high end affixes means anything to you, since this thread is about completing the requirements, not speed-running it.

EDIT: To clarify, the reason I suggest people not worry about affixing is because it's been shown to be doable undergeared, so telling someone "well, you almost got it, you can stop trying harder now, just get bigger numbers", trains people to get carried by their gear instead of actually pushing themselves a bit more. If someone would REALLY prefer that, sure, but I'm not going to personally suggest it because I think it sets people up for failure later, and trains them to think their skill can be "capped".
I also don't think it should ever be the first suggestion for improvement, even if you're only a few minutes off. I ended up shaving over 2 minutes off mother/deus on Su by changing some candies around and playing better, which was considerably cheaper and more worthwhile than re-affixing my bode units...


Then I should forget about affixing for a whileYou can still get decent 4 or 5 slot affixes for pretty cheap, you just don't need to go all into it.

[vantpers]

When it comes to time effectiveness getting tree buff if you're already in a team or grabbing right drink and jerky are great in spite of providing so-so benefits. Going from 13* (Phobos is ass too, and I don't see people getting it as welfare stick utilizing the unsheathing potential well) to 15* or even 14* is another great thing to do since you will have to finally do it anyway, and those provide big benefits to your damage output while not being so hard to gear especially with Armada and UH series, or Awake being low 15* tier at bossing. Reaffixing your units from 100 attack to 150 is comparably major ass and not worth it on the other hand.

Same works for skill really. You might be already missing a lot of easy ways to pad your DPS by just changing up your rotation on unmoving targets a bit, realizing one of your PAs has massive iframes that can get you through some attacks, or that bosses might have blind spots. For example it's weird for a Hunter main to forget he has charge parrying and instead opt to distance himself from Omega Hunar's AoE slam, since you have higher chance of tripping on one of those circling flames for your entire HP bar than missing the charge parry window, on top of being ready to instantly launch a rising edge straight into the weakpoint cutting down the time you spend needing to survive.

[Kondibon]

When it comes to time effectiveness getting tree buff if you're already in a team or grabbing right drink and jerky are great in spite of providing so-so benefits. Going from 13* (Phobos is ass too, and I don't see people getting it as welfare stick utilizing the unsheathing potential well) to 15* or even 14* is another great thing to do since you will have to finally do it anyway, and those provide big benefits to your damage output while not being so hard to gear especially with Armada and UH series, or Awake being low 15* tier at bossing. Reaffixing your units from 100 attack to 150 is comparably major ass and not worth it on the other hand.

Same works for skill really. You might be already missing a lot of easy ways to pad your DPS by just changing up your rotation on unmoving targets a bit, realizing one of your PAs has massive iframes that can get you through some attacks, or that bosses might have blind spots. For example it's weird for a Hunter main to forget he has charge parrying and instead opt to distance himself from Omega Hunar's AoE slam, since you have higher chance of tripping on one of those circling flames for your entire HP bar than missing the charge parry window, on top of being ready to instantly launch a rising edge straight into the weakpoint cutting down the time you spend needing to survive.This is honestly better put than what I said.

[Flaoc]

well heres a 3:19 katana only phanatical phantoms

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra8WD-avruI[/SPOILER-BOX]

[RibbonSoft]

Oof, my friend just told me today that she gave up on trying to beat Phaleg and is probably just going to stop playing. She was complaining about a lot of stuff besides expert though so she probably just doesn't like the direction the game has gone since episode 3. To be fair, I didn't think she would ever be good enough to beat it anyway so not really surprised. Anyway, thanks for answering my questions and providing some insight for her.

[ArcaneTechs]

on the affix topic, I did a cheap build, alternatively swap out the souls with EX Ares the Soul if you want ( I prefer normal Are's because saves affix slot space and just miniscule points elsewhere) or do your own thing with or without my build, this is like a cheap budget 5's I sorta came up with at the top of my head, im sure theres something better but I dont feel like putting the effort into it since I do high end stuff and haven't done a cheapo build in a long time. Nobles and Elegants are cheap as well if for whatever reason you want to go the extra mile (not particularly on this build).

https://arks-layer.com/abilitysim/#!tjsVtDsaINGtEscIeGtKsZIJ2F2PxFDsb2FrmsJVtCsnb2Mx bUsKVtEsjIOxWP2F2q2bsLxbasMxbasNVZ2WsLGZ2WxFD2W2Fy 5Jrmti4osgMI2WxgEtEskxxDsexKFyNDrmtf222G

idk how to get the pic to not look so ass on here so use the link above to see the build better and not in ant vision

[Reilet]

EDIT: To the people saying the team drink only affects your base stats, I'm pretty sure every shifta-like buff takes affixes into account.

Only katana gear does that.

[Kondibon]

Only katana gear does that.Yeah, I'm thinking of HP buffs, my bad.

[KaizoKage]

You can still get decent 4 or 5 slot affixes for pretty cheap, you just don't need to go all into it.

So I commonly have these in all of my units since its cheap and easy to make but is that enough?
Apprentice Soul
Persona Reverie
Spirita 3
Stamina 3
Power 3 (sometimes)

[Kondibon]

So I commonly have these in all of my units since its cheap and easy to make but is that enough?
Apprentice Soul
Persona Reverie
Spirita 3
Stamina 3
Power 3 (sometimes)

I dunno, do you think it's enough?

[reaper527]

So I commonly have these in all of my units since its cheap and easy to make but is that enough?
Apprentice Soul
Persona Reverie
Spirita 3
Stamina 3
Power 3 (sometimes)

did you already affix this stuff or is that your plan? because swapping that spirita 3 for an arks fever will go a long way, and arks fever is pretty cheap if you're working with low slot stuff and can put i on your units before you upslot them. i've saved a ton of money getting 1-2s arks fever units and affixing it to 1-2 slot units that i'm going to use (then upslotting as far as i can go with 100% success, or at least as far as i'm willing to risk, which is usually 6s for me). spirita 3 has been totally obsoleted at this point. (honestly, making your own 5s arks fever shouldn't be that bad either if you just get the cheapest one you can and upslot it yourself with fodder that drops as you play, especially if you buy on/shortly after pso2 day).

i'd definitely recommend running a compound soul instead of apprentice. the extra hp/pp you'll get from it is worth it. you WILL get 5s historia souls if you catch 1 dragon eq if you're worried about cost, and it's not too hard to get a 5s soul to mix it with as a drop (ESPECIALLY if you're comfortable with running endless 1). additionally, the boss soul you're mixing with historia will probably boost pow success rates allowing you go use pow4 instead of pow 3 (extra 5 atk per unit, so 15 atk. not a huge increase, but it's free atk so no reason to leave it on the table)

as far as if it's enough, that affixing is enough to get the job done if you're good enough, but better affixing will make your life a lot easier if you're struggling (especially since you called pow 3 a "sometimes" affix, which means it sounds like you're running under 100atk per unit in some cases).

also, while units are important (because typically it's going to be x3 since in an lot of cases you'll put the same affixes on all 3 units), don't forget how important the weapon is. having the proper SSA's is a huge deal and can add an extra 10-12% damage.

[fuyuka0121]

I haven't played other classes but with Phantom Rod, affixes are definitely not important. As I could clear Phanatical Phantoms in 11m49 and Destroyers of Light in 17m36 using Phobos Units from story quest, random affixed Awake Rod and random affixed 14* Atlas Rifle. I don't have any 15* weapon because I've just started a month ago.
I also didn't use team tree and food. Only weak point drink in the campship.
My stats:
[SPOILER-BOX]https://i.imgur.com/xV5PDD9.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]
It took me 14 attempts to S Rank Phanatical Phantoms, and 6 attempts to S Rank Destroyers of Light.

A few things I've learned:
- Must learn to dodge. So before attempt Phanatical Phantoms, must practice fighting Deus and Phaleg in story quest first. After getting used to their attacks then fighting them become easier. I died to Deus 7 or 8 times before I knew that I could practice in story quest.
- Don't be too aggressive, focus on dodging instead. Also, can ignore stage 1 and 3 stage order. I failed both of them but still able to clear with a lot of time remaining.
- For Phaleg second phase, I used Val Rifle with S4:Vampiric Strike. Because I haven't played with rifle much so Vampiric Strike really helped here.
- For Omega Hunar, when I use rod, I always get killed after I run out of PP to heal. So I use rifle and just stay in the air shooting.

For Destroyers of Light:
- Must also learn to dodge. Because getting hit and healing lower DPS alot.
- Must play aggressive, attack as much as possble.
- Try to save PP before boss's downtime. E.g. try to recover some PP before breaking last arm.
- Use Step jump in Deus Esca fight to save time and PP

[dont_talk_to_me]

It's unfortunate that he pulled his guides of creation run, and considering sword is the most popular hunter weapon it's probably worth replacing. Best bet is to get one from shana but if you want one with more modest damage let me know and i'll get someone to do one.

[Zephyrion]

It's unfortunate that he pulled his guides of creation run, and considering sword is the most popular hunter weapon it's probably worth replacing. Best bet is to get one from shana but if you want one with more modest damage let me know and i'll get someone to do one.

yeah I'd like an average run, so if you can get someone to record one it would be sweet. You don't have to go too hard at it tho, I'll search for a run in the meantime, and if push comes to shove, I'll record one myself !

EDIT : added Gunslash Fi/HU clear for both quests for those the very brave gunslash mains out there

[dont_talk_to_me]

yeah I'd like an average run, so if you can get someone to record one it would be sweet. You don't have to go too hard at it tho, I'll search for a run in the meantime, and if push comes to shove, I'll record one myself !

i ended up just doing it myself, here https://www.twitch.tv/videos/436506125 guides of creation with below average gear, sword only

[modoru]

even with mediocre gear, you have more atk than i do lmfao

probably i'm overlooking some of those buffs.

[dont_talk_to_me]

even with mediocre gear, you have more atk than i do lmfao

probably i'm overlooking some of those buffs.

I kept all of those buffs because there is no reason not to use them. Now you can reroll drinks and team tree isn't hot cancer, as long as you are in a team you can just grab the 20% attack (remember, only like 5% damage). Weak point is optimal there since it is 15% damage on the bosses weakpoints (again, shifta is only 5% and PA is 10%, if you are premium weak point is 20% damage!). Finally meat stir fry is 200k for 30 minutes, which is 1 1/2 attempts. Due to the relaxed points on hunter skill tree, if you are using guard stance you can basically grab s atk ups super easily. Here is a tree that has automate, massive hunter maxed, 2 points in iron will and 1 point in never give up, and 26/30 s atks up. Maxing s atk up gives you 225 damage (nearly 5%) http://bit.ly/2MAS61I

[Karen Erra]

i ended up just doing it myself, here https://www.twitch.tv/videos/436506125 guides of creation with below average gear, sword only

Question unrelated to the topic, what is the music you use in that video? I try to remember but I can't

edit: nvm found it xD guess I never played Armada sector 3 with bgm on

[Tigy]

Hope this could fit in bellow average run category for solo xq for katana BrHu, show my gear at the beginning of the video.
[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmCZ3j4pPws[/SPOILER-BOX]

[KaizoKage]

So I finally reached stage 4 of XQ. Any tips on that area? too many things are happening I cant see the moves that I need to dodge. Im using katana Ph

[vantpers]

So I finally reached stage 4 of XQ. Any tips on that area? too many things are happening I cant see the moves that I need to dodge. Im using katana Ph
Try to aggro Angel only, Chrome and Apprentice should duke it between themselves then. Just watch out for the ground spikes Chrome can do that will pop under you even without aggro. Rest is just fighting Chrome and hoping not to get juggled by Apprentice from blindspots.

[ZerotakerZX]

Try to aggro Angel only, Chrome and Apprentice should duke it between themselves then. Just watch out for the ground spikes Chrome can do that will pop under you even without aggro. Rest is just fighting Chrome and hoping not to get juggled by Apprentice from blindspots.

Catch is that chrome should be taken out in a time limit. Dunno how strict it is, since I always killed him first

[Anduril]

Catch is that chrome should be taken out in a time limit. Dunno how strict it is, since I always killed him first

You have 5 minutes to kill Chrome, plenty of time to even leave him for last.

[ZerotakerZX]

You have 5 minutes to kill Chrome, plenty of time to even leave him for last.

Yes, it's like one third of S rank time

[Kiboune]

I have spent all my badges while trying to get S rank for Destroyers of Light. How can I get more?

[Anduril]

I have spent all my badges while trying to get S rank for Destroyers of Light. How can I get more?

You can get Badges from Level-Up Quests.

[oratank]

So I finally reached stage 4 of XQ. Any tips on that area? too many things are happening I cant see the moves that I need to dodge. Im using katana Ph

it will be easier if you bring rifle with you hit and run everything till they die nothing can reach you

[ArcaneTechs]

Yes, it's like one third of S rank time

Apprentice is usually the one that takes the longest to kill, luther dies fast and chrome is the medium. Really easy to just let luther spawn and keep away the fight ftom the other 2

[KaizoKage]

Try to aggro Angel only, Chrome and Apprentice should duke it between themselves then. Just watch out for the ground spikes Chrome can do that will pop under you even without aggro. Rest is just fighting Chrome and hoping not to get juggled by Apprentice from blindspots.


it will be easier if you bring rifle with you hit and run everything till they die nothing can reach you

I'll keep both of these in mind, thanks a bunch :D

[Stormwalker]

I took a different approach to that stage as a katana Phantom - I went straight for Chrome, locked onto his head only, used mostly shifted PA's and quick cut, which kept me in the air and away from Apprentice most of the time (she can hit you in the air sometimes, but with katana's mobility she generally didn't). You have to watch out for Angel with this approach, though, because if you get surprised by the laser or his rush attacks they can hurt really badly. On the other hand, once Chrome is out of the picture, dealing with Angle and Apprentice becomes pretty easy because suddenly you have lots of space to work with.

I didn't bother with parts breaks on Chrome, the idea was just to kill him as quickly as possible.

[ZerotakerZX]

I took a different approach to that stage as a katana Phantom - I went straight for Chrome, locked onto his head only, used mostly shifted PA's and quick cut, which kept me in the air and away from Apprentice most of the time (she can hit you in the air sometimes, but with katana's mobility she generally didn't). You have to watch out for Angel with this approach, though, because if you get surprised by the laser or his rush attacks they can hurt really badly. On the other hand, once Chrome is out of the picture, dealing with Angle and Apprentice becomes pretty easy because suddenly you have lots of space to work with.

I didn't bother with parts breaks on Chrome, the idea was just to kill him as quickly as possible.

I always did the same, which means its a clever tactic.

[NightlightPro]

idk who made this but it might be helpful for some ppl who still have trouble with unlocking the new expert reqs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0ZbNlkYA8


at least for a friend of mine who has finally s-ranked both quests by wtaching this vid

[Kondibon]

idk who made this but it might be helpful for some ppl who still have trouble with unlocking the new expert reqs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0ZbNlkYA8


at least for a friend of mine who has finally s-ranked both quests by wtaching this vidHe specifically asked to have his videos removed.

[Tigy]

Hope this could fit in bellow average run category for solo xq for katana BrHu, show my gear at the beginning of the video.
[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmCZ3j4pPws[/SPOILER-BOX]
Expert requirement cleared... without units... lol.
[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Etm9u20XcA[/SPOILER-BOX]

[cheapgunner]

I have failed Solo trigger again, getting to Moon busting Code partway thru with 0:00 time remaining. I spammed Type-0 Sakura--endo over and over w/ Team Atk buff, Shortcake, Shifta Ex to boot.

Had Atra 15* Katana, kept up Gear Release upon counter for almost the whole fight outside of 1 death and DarkBlast. My katana has Radiant Strike and Grace, Photon Reduction and Gear Reduction w/ Noble Power, Power I3 and vol soul. Units are Quilphad w/ Power/Shoot/Tech 3b on most of them w// Ares the Soul on 2 and Gryphon Soul on the back unit.

Is spamming Type-0 Sakura the best choice, and if not, why not (I usually only spam T-o Skura, Kanran and Katou-rindo most of my Braver time when I do play it)?

[isCasted]

It's Sakura-0 -> Gekka (because Sakura-0 moves you upwards) -> normal #3 (damage is good enough to compensate for the PP burn)

[milranduil]

I have failed Solo trigger again, getting to Moon busting Code partway thru with 0:00 time remaining. I spammed Type-0 Sakura--endo over and over w/ Team Atk buff, Shortcake, Shifta Ex to boot.

Had Atra 15* Katana, kept up Gear Release upon counter for almost the whole fight outside of 1 death and DarkBlast. My katana has Radiant Strike and Grace, Photon Reduction and Gear Reduction w/ Noble Power, Power I3 and vol soul. Units are Quilphad w/ Power/Shoot/Tech 3b on most of them w// Ares the Soul on 2 and Gryphon Soul on the back unit.

Is spamming Type-0 Sakura the best choice, and if not, why not (I usually only spam T-o Skura, Kanran and Katou-rindo most of my Braver time when I do play it)?

try putting s1 and s3 skilled strike on instead. you'll do 7% more damage since katana basically always crits with a crit strike R ring. beyond this, i'll need to see a clip of your gameplay to help further.

[Sizustar]

Someone's 21seonc with Su/Ph
https://twitter.com/UD1111/status/1144832512096477184

[ArcaneTechs]

Someone's 21seonc with Su/Ph
https://twitter.com/UD1111/status/1144832512096477184

UD pro Su and Hu player, feels good watching his stuff but nice to see Synchro still shredding bosses

[Sizustar]

UD pro Su and Hu player, feels good watching his stuff but nice to see Synchro still shredding bosses

Here's a FO doing it in 19 second instead - -l
https://twitter.com/raby_Lilipur/status/1144638763416506368

[cheapgunner]

[SPOILER-BOX] https://i.imgur.com/DkQPMih.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]


[SPOILER-BOX]https://i.imgur.com/TRjXVf1.jpg [/SPOILER-BOX]

Finished the Trigger run (Fo/Te) back to back but it seems I've reached my limit on DPS/Speed Runs. Can't see how I'm going to do it any faster when I had over 5.3k T-atk with drinks, cakes team boost, etc. with light techs/dark techs spamming back to back on these bosses. Il grants seems pretty damn awful dps wise. Grants isn't much better but their a better option than wind techs atm. Deus seems a bit easier to deal with but his Dragons soak up too much damn hits from Samegid.

Dying still is a big factor for failure but my reflexes are ass. I'm not gonna be dodging boss attacks repeatedly at this point.


Shouldn't have got my hopes up thinking I was gonna do an 18 min run anytime this summer. *Depression Mode Activated* >.>;

[PenguinDeer]

Finished the Trigger run (Fo/Te) back to back but it seems I've reached my limit on DPS/Speed Runs. Can't see how I'm going to do it any faster when I had over 5.3k T-atk with drinks, cakes team boost, etc. with light techs/dark techs spamming back to back on these bosses. Il grants seems pretty damn awful dps wise. Grants isn't much better but their a better option than wind techs atm. Deus seems a bit easier to deal with but his Dragons soak up too much damn hits from Samegid.
;

Is your ilgrants crafted? Are all your techs Lvl 17? Are you using all your compounds? From the pic, you only have barantsion on pallete. We could help alot more if you posted a vid.

[cheapgunner]

Is your ilgrants crafted? Are all your techs Lvl 17? Are you using all your compounds? From the pic, you only have barantsion on pallete. We could help alot more if you posted a vid.

Have lightstream Rod (+35) w/

Resurrection latentlv3
Noble Technique
Tech Boost
Photon Reduction
Offensive Intent
Tech 4, Elder Soul, & Loser Reverie.

Ilgrants is crafted at lv 15 (Swift) , Gimegid crafted at 16 (Power) , Samegid crafted at 17 (Power) and Grants crafted at 17 (Power). I have all three compounds and used them when available too.

[dont_talk_to_me]

Ilgrants should be power, you should be casting techs as much as you can. You should also be using weak drink and make sure to get your techs to level 17. Honestly though the best way to help is to see exactly what you are doing.

[cheapgunner]

Ilgrants should be power, you should be casting techs as much as you can. You should also be using weak drink and make sure to get your techs to level 17. Honestly though the best way to help is to see exactly what you are doing.

I updated most of the techs, including il grants to power, etc. Dodge when attacks fly at me, spam il grants/grants when needed and use compounds when boss is down. I just finished a 3rd trigger run and got my time down to 22:54 but still, I expected brillaint il grants to be breaking records in terms of DPS. Died twice w/ my 2nd death returning to campship during Deus.

I hit around 11-12k per il grants spark and 13k per hit on grants,


EDIT: 4th run cleared and now my time is 21:21. The bosses feel like sponges. Tried Random drink w/ Weak boost but that wasn't much of a boost to DPS (albiet a slight one). PP isn't an issue but damage is.3 il grants to break Mothers' arms a piece and 3-4 il grants to break Deus' dragons as well. My biggest issue is trying to break their extras.

[Ezodagrom]

Ilgrants is crafted at lv 15 (Swift) , Gimegid crafted at 16 (Power) , Samegid crafted at 17 (Power) and Grants crafted at 17 (Power). I have all three compounds and used them when available too.
Note that you can get all lvl 17 PAs/techs in the excube shop, 20 excubes each.


I updated most of the techs, including il grants to power, etc. Dodge when attacks fly at me, spam il grants/grants when needed and use compounds when boss is down. I just finished a 3rd trigger run and got my time down to 22:54 but still, I expected brillaint il grants to be breaking records in terms of DPS. Died twice w/ my 2nd death returning to campship during Deus.

I hit around 11-12k per il grants spark and 13k per hit on grants,


EDIT: 4th run cleared and now my time is 21:21. The bosses feel like sponges. Tried Random drink w/ Weak boost but that wasn't much of a boost to DPS (albiet a slight one). PP isn't an issue but damage is.3 il grants to break Mothers' arms a piece and 3-4 il grants to break Deus' dragons as well. My biggest issue is trying to break their extras.
Dunno if this will be helpful, my Fo/Te run, it's not a great run or anything, cleared it on 16:13, just an average run with average equipment I guess, but maybe it could help in giving ideas in what you could improve?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqTcykpd9GU

[Karen Erra]

Well, I decided to put up a video of my Technic Phantom doing Destroyers of Light.
There's surely some screw ups here and there (far away from perfect), but maybe it helps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJuO62HiQc

[milranduil]

I updated most of the techs, including il grants to power, etc. Dodge when attacks fly at me, spam il grants/grants when needed and use compounds when boss is down. I just finished a 3rd trigger run and got my time down to 22:54 but still, I expected brillaint il grants to be breaking records in terms of DPS. Died twice w/ my 2nd death returning to campship during Deus.

I hit around 11-12k per il grants spark and 13k per hit on grants,


EDIT: 4th run cleared and now my time is 21:21. The bosses feel like sponges. Tried Random drink w/ Weak boost but that wasn't much of a boost to DPS (albiet a slight one). PP isn't an issue but damage is.3 il grants to break Mothers' arms a piece and 3-4 il grants to break Deus' dragons as well. My biggest issue is trying to break their extras.

if you really want to improve your time, i suggest trying to record a run so people can critique your gameplay. you have LS rod, weak drink, and the correct craft, the largest factor here now is gameplay.

[cheapgunner]

if you really want to improve your time, i suggest trying to record a run so people can critique your gameplay. you have LS rod, weak drink, and the correct craft, the largest factor here now is gameplay.

Never recorded but I can try that later today.

EDIT: Here' my best run so far - 19:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoe-Yw1qr0&feature=youtu.be

[fuyuka0121]

Never recorded but I can try that later today.

EDIT: Here' my best run so far - 19:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoe-Yw1qr0&feature=youtu.be

Spam Ilgrants instead of Grants because Ilgrants has higher DPS.
Put all compound tech in one subpalette for this quest to avoid wasting time switching.
Use Ilzonde/Safoie/Dash-Jump for fast travel.
Since you rarely run out of PP, can consider equipping the Phobos units from story for higher atk/hp/def

You should watch this vid, try following his gameplay.


Note that you can get all lvl 17 PAs/techs in the excube shop, 20 excubes each.


Dunno if this will be helpful, my Fo/Te run, it's not a great run or anything, cleared it on 16:13, just an average run with average equipment I guess, but maybe it could help in giving ideas in what you could improve?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqTcykpd9GU

[cheapgunner]

Spam Ilgrants instead of Grants because Ilgrants has higher DPS.
Put all compound tech in one subpalette for this quest to avoid wasting time switching.
Use Ilzonde/Safoie/Dash-Jump for fast travel.
Since you rarely run out of PP, can consider equipping the Phobos units from story for higher atk/hp/def


Thanks for advice. I know I have the rear and should have the others somewhere on my chars (All mixed up and what not). Should I save Zandelion for Mother or can I get away using it on 2-3+ Falz arms if they stack on top of me to try and clear as many as possible there?

[milranduil]

Thanks for advice. I know I have the rear and should have the others somewhere on my chars (All mixed up and what not). Should I save Zandelion for Mother or can I get away using it on 2-3+ Falz arms if they stack on top of me to try and clear as many as possible there?

couple things:

-fo gets up to 3 minute shifta. you can take advantage of that before you start the mother porter by casting shifta three full times (12+ ticks)
-practice your ilgrants JA timing. you spend a considerable amount of time holding the full charge randomly.
-use rebarantsia for mother cubes.
-during mother's final phase, stay near the middle, use lock on, and use ilgrants more when she's close to you.
-you can dodge single hits with tech parry to DPS while being attacked (mother swiping, etc.)
-try using elder dark blast against the start of moon phase with the 8 dragon heads.

[cheapgunner]

[SPOILER-BOX] https://i.imgur.com/X8Q3e2N.jpg [/SPOILER-BOX]

Came so close.....Almsot want to quit this ridiculous challenge at this point. Even if I past this trigger run, There's no hope to even beat Deus. Boss has my number, name, address and game ID on lockdown. >.>;

[isCasted]

I swear, holding the tech charge for too long is pretty much the biggest problem, and addressing that alone could give you a huge DPS boost. Using Ilzonde to move around faster is not something all that difficult either, but fairly important to get the boss into your Ilgrants range. Even with all the other things as they are you should be getting at least sub-16.

Oh, and cast Zanverse before compounds. The easiest 20% damage boost for your most powerful attacks

[oratank]

try to spot mother's arm the one that suck you into the cage kill that hand first so you can save time for not being suck into 0 dps zone

[cheapgunner]

I swear, holding the tech charge for too long is pretty much the biggest problem, and addressing that alone could give you a huge DPS boost. Using Ilzonde to move around faster is not something all that difficult either, but fairly important to get the boss into your Ilgrants range. Even with all the other things as they are you should be getting at least sub-16.

Oh, and cast Zanverse before compounds. The easiest 20% damage boost for your most powerful attacks

I can't figure out when to let go of the charge. Some times I get it right, others I only get 3 ~6k hits with it per charge.

My Subpallete and Light Rod Set is already full. Should I drop Deband forZanverse and switch it up then?

[Loveless62]

try to spot mother's arm the one that suck you into the cage kill that hand first so you can save time for not being suck into 0 dps zone
I think that's Luther's arm, the one that goes 100 feet in the air all the time and stabs down. I think Double's arm is the one that produces the wall.

[isCasted]

I can't figure out when to let go of the charge. Some times I get it right, others I only get 3 ~6k hits with it per charge.

My Subpallete and Light Rod Set is already full. Should I drop Deband forZanverse and switch it up then?
Deband is virtually useless on Fo. If you get hit, you'll have to take the same amount of time to heal back anyway. As for the charge time, with how long you're holding techs for right now you should at least learn to react to the charge sound cue. Humans roughly react to sounds in 130ms and visual cues in 250ms on average, so it's mostly about internalizing the mindset that you should be releasing as soon as possible. Then, when you want to actually learn the proper timing and shave off those 130ms, there are plenty of training dummies to practice on (you can start with XH Rodos for basic practice, then learn to pay more attention with Banger Bear and XQ Deus)

[cheapgunner]

Deband is virtually useless on Fo. If you get hit, you'll have to take the same amount of time to heal back anyway. As for the charge time, with how long you're holding techs for right now you should at least learn to react to the charge sound cue. Humans roughly react to sounds in 130ms and visual cues in 250ms on average, so it's mostly about internalizing the mindset that you should be releasing as soon as possible. Then, when you want to actually learn the proper timing and shave off those 130ms, there are plenty of training dummies to practice on (you can start with XH Rodos for basic practice, then learn to pay more attention with Banger Bear and XQ Deus)

Thanks for this. I usually don't play game music and listen to my own on my PC or youtube. I guess I need to put music back on. :p

[Zephyrion]

Never recorded but I can try that later today.

EDIT: Here' my best run so far - 19:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoe-Yw1qr0&feature=youtu.be

Ok I'll try to compile everything that has been said while giving my own overview !

First tings first, you can be more confident in yourself ! You do undestand how Force works on a basic level, you use compounds properly, use mostly the right techs. Now it's a matter of small optimizations that can definitely go a long way !

Ok so maybe it's a dumb question but are you using random drink with weakpoint effect ? this is a 15% bonus damage whenever you match element weaknesses or hit a weakpoint, so on Force this is pretty much unconditional bonus that is much higher than photon drink or shifta drink effects. it even goes up to 20% if you're Premium (Still the drink you should go for even if that's not the case).

Otherwise as it was pointed out, working your tech release timings will tremendously help. I play Force occasionally, so every time I go back to it, I just sit in campship and just spam the most used techs to get the timing back. I advise you to just do so. It really is just muscle memory so the more you do it the better your timings will get over time !

Now on to the fight itself

Mother Arms Phase
- biggest advice I could give is to use lock-on more. you tend to look away from the arms because of free aim and also change targets way too often. You gotta lock-on one arm and focus it til it's out then onto the next one. I'd prioritize Elder and Double arms as Force, as they are the most likely to flinch or combo you from offscreen

Mother Stun
You can save a lot extra time here. So first thing is don't be too impatient. What matters is dealing the most damage as possible, so before you kill the last arm, you can freely take your time refreshing shifta, setting ramegid 0, preparing your palettes, get ready to Ilzonde towards her and the like. The goal is to be fully buffed and ready once she goes down. Any moment you waste time not dealing damage during the stun gives slower stun clears and higher chances of having to go through extra arms phase. As was said don't forget to zanverse your compounds for free damage ! In the same vein, try to keep photon Flare for stuns, especially the third one. Judging from your damage output you have what it takes to one-cycle final stun if you sort out your cooldowns and get better tech release timings, which is a HUGE time save, so try to work towards getting that !

Mother Cube Phase
As Mil said just holding Re Barantsia is the fastest way to kill cubes !

Mother Center Phase
Lock-on again will help you a TON here. Mother will always do her patterns depending on your position, so you need to lock on to always face her. It makes tech parry and/or Nabarta 0 MUCH easier to implement, and lets you do damage immediately after mirage step. As long as you're locked on you'll never face away which means less downtime between attacks and easier dodges ! As for tech usage, generally, rule of thumb is Grants when she is doing normal swipe, Grants when she prepares Loser Hand swipe and Ilgrants after it, Grants before Elder Slam and Ilgrants after it, and otherwise just spam Ilgrants for any pattern involving her going at the center !


Deus Hydra Phase
You're doing relatively good here. I'd advise you to use Samegid on heads (either craft is okay but I prefer Umbral for easier PP Management here). It hits heads well both from very close and very far, so you can spam it relatively freely if you got Dark mastery skilled.

Deus Stun
Pretty much what I said about Mother stun can apply here too. Don't forget to Ilzonde towards core to gain some precious time, and use Ramegid 0 before you kill the final head. Deus being weak to dark means the extra ticks you get from Ramegid 0 when you shotgun him with Ilgrants make it really worth casting it. Do not worry if you don't see the damage numbers by the way. If you hug core and use Ilgrants very close, all the hits will register but the damage is displayed offscreen for whatever reason, but that's not a problem !

Deus Second Phase
The place where lock-on is absolutely vital. Force in this fight can stay locked on to the core and spam grants on Deus even when he is offstage ! Just doing so should shave off up to one minute in your run so definitely try it out ! As Mil said, you can save Dark Blast for the Final Hydra phase !

Hydra DPS check
Dark Blast Elder,hold the fist flurry PA and heal every once in a while and this phase will be down in no time.

Core DPS check
it's a repeat of the previous phase so lock on dat core and dish the pain !

This may sound like a lot but most of this again, is mostly minor adjustments. You don't have to try and improve everything at once, just focus on improving each phase one by one, and move on to the next once you're satisfied with the change you made ! Good luck on that S rank and don't hesitate to ask more questions if you have some !

Unrelated, but I'm also in the process of sorting submitted videos so directory should be updated by the end of the week !

[Loveless62]

Hydra DPS check
Dark Blast Elder,hold the fist flurry PA and heal every once in a while and this phase will be down in no time.
I would add that, once the hydra heads are gone and Deus recovers from his stun, end the Dark Blast early. Dark Blast Elder isn't great at DPS during the final phase. It is better to get the lock-on on the core as Force and be able to DPS him while he is at a distance and withdrawn offstage.

[cheapgunner]

Tried 2 more runs but can't get anything but 19+ mins. Zanverse and Type-0 ramegid don't seem worth he trouble. Trying to setup 2-3 techs before the core while not getting insta-killed by various arms, lasers, etc. is a lot harder than I thought it would be. Guess Imma be here for a while with updates. >.>;

[RibbonSoft]

I am seriously surprised, my friend told me she finally beat Phanatical Phantoms today with a time of 14:10. Never expected she would actually beat it. She told me she upgraded her equipment by a lot (apparently she got a lightstream rod and that new resonant rifle which apparently helped against Phaleg). I guess maybe I should actually try to beat it myself now...

[SteveCZ]

I am seriously surprised, my friend told me she finally beat Phanatical Phantoms today with a time of 14:10. Never expected she would actually beat it. She told me she upgraded her equipment by a lot (apparently she got a lightstream rod and that new resonant rifle which apparently helped against Phaleg). I guess maybe I should actually try to beat it myself now...

Congrats to ur friend then, this is good news.

[RibbonSoft]

Apparently my friend is now having trouble with the trigger quest. I don't think they are doing bad, they only finished 25 seconds over. I am again asking for her since she refuses to create an account on here. She linked me one of her videos: https://youtu.be/JmkAG7lPVUk. Thoughts?

[SteveCZ]

Apparently my friend is now having trouble with the trigger quest. I don't think they are doing bad, they only finished 25 seconds over. I am again asking for her since she refuses to create an account on here. She linked me one of her videos: https://youtu.be/JmkAG7lPVUk. Thoughts?

For your friend, just my take.

Mom
2:29
Core reveal is important, don't heal during core reveal and focus on damage first. Only heal it after.

4:00
Don't detonate on blue mark, detonate on purple. Detonating on blue mark only benefits on mobs for PP. if you have problem with PP, do 3rd normal hit rotation. That should get you more techs, instead of rotating all normal attacks during the core reveal that gives you less DPS on important moment.

5:07
Again, core reveal is crucial, don't charge shifta, just do uncharge. Also I think you doesn't need to charge zanverse either. Not much of a big deal though, since phantom charges fast anyway, unless you really do care for a second or two, in which case you are off by a few seconds.

5:33
On cubes, I use shifted Kugelstrum (rifle). Maybe someone else may suggest another way cause I didn't really properly time on which method is faster or not.

Deus
10:26
You are dashing too far, which costs her too much PP. 1 safoie and walk away with step jump is enough (or 2 safoies if you still feel unsafe), you shouldn't get hit (even if the char's body may be moved a little), and focus on that side of the dragon.

9:49, 11:50, and 13:13
No need to dash close the balls, I think the tech can reach 3 dragon heads far. Just stand on the middle of dragons and move only a bit if you need be. You got a lot of PP enough to cast techs to destroy all the balls without even moving too much. I use Gimegid on this one, some others maybe Grants, not sure.

16:00
Use Dark Blast Elder on the dragons, then cast Ultimate Impact when the core is revealed. After that, immediately remove the dark blast after he's up. Ensure your DB is properly leveled up.

17:40 - end
I can see you're panicking here, and it is normal, cause your timing can be broken during this phase. Why? Because his attack window (from one attack to another) is simply faster than previous phase which will break your pattern. Know when to stop casting for the sake of predicting the next attack is recommended. Ph got 1 sec for its tech invincibility, so if you want to play safe, try to time this properly instead. This will get by after a few runs anyway (cause needs practice), so don't worry about it.

General
- Keep the ramegid on if you need.
- You don't always need to zanverse unless you wants to detonate purple mark (Some samples are 1:23 and 12:15). Casting Zanverse is only useful when the target isn't revealed yet but you're already there, such as Phaleg stage 3 on solo xq3 or Persona stage on solo PD.

The text that I make bold can cut you a lot of time which hopefully you can prioritize to give the few seconds you need for S rank.

Good luck!

[Loyd Azakuya]

[SPOILER-BOX]For your friend, just my take.

Mom
2:29
Core reveal is important, don't heal during core reveal and focus on damage first. Only heal it after.

4:00
Don't detonate on blue mark, detonate on purple. Detonating on blue mark only benefits on mobs for PP. if you have problem with PP, do 3rd normal hit rotation. That should get you more techs, instead of rotating all normal attacks during the core reveal that gives you less DPS on important moment.

5:07
Again, core reveal is crucial, don't charge shifta, just do uncharge. Also I think you doesn't need to charge zanverse either. Not much of a big deal though, since phantom charges fast anyway, unless you really do care for a second or two, in which case you are off by a few seconds.

5:33
On cubes, I use shifted Kugelstrum (rifle). Maybe someone else may suggest another way cause I didn't really properly time on which method is faster or not.

Deus
10:26
You are dashing too far, which costs her too much PP. 1 safoie and walk away slowly is enough, you shouldn't get hit (even if the char's body may be moved a little), and focus on that side of the dragon.

9:49, 11:50, and 13:13
No need to dash closer the balls, I think the tech can reach 3 dragon heads far. Just stand on the middle of dragons and move only a bit if you need be. You got a lot of PP enough to cast techs to destroy all the balls without even moving too much. I use Gimegid on this one, some others maybe Grants, not sure.

16:00
Use Dark Blast Elder on the dragons, then cast Ultimate Impact when the core is revealed. After that, immediately remove the dark blast after he's up. Ensure your DB is properly leveled up.

17:40 - end
I can see you're panicking here, and it is normal, cause your timing can be broken during this phase. Why? Because his attack window (from one attack to another) is simply faster than previous phase which will break your pattern. Know when to stop casting for the sake of predicting the next attack is recommended. Ph got 1 sec for its tech invincibility, so if you want to play safe, try to time this properly instead. This will get by after a few runs anyway (cause needs practice), so don't worry about it.

General
- Keep the ramegid on if you need.
- You don't always need to zanverse unless you wants to detonate purple mark (Some samples are 1:23 and 12:15). Casting Zanverse is only useful when the target isn't revealed yet but you're already there, such as Phaleg stage 3 on solo xq3 or Persona stage on solo PD.

The text that I make bold can cut you a lot of time which hopefully you can prioritize to give the few seconds you need for S rank.

Good luck![/SPOILER-BOX]
Another thing to note is that she is not using Shift Volkermord and she needs to dodge more attacks with step to get more Phantom counters and PP
Also in 10:33 she is just wasting PP for no reason, the dragons are hidden and there is no reason to cast techs here, just wait for them to appear again

I tried doing the trigger with Phantom Rod only, just to see how good can I do with my current gear and this was the results
https://i.imgur.com/Gz2zRu8.png
(All the units have 100T-ATK, I used Shifta Drink and the ATK Boost from the team tree, didnt use Timed Abilities, but people can do that to get more DPS)

If this helps someone, this is some tips of what I did


Spammed Ilgrants most of the time and I always tried to have active shift Volkermord + Ramegid-0 for extra damage

When the bosses are stunned I used Shift Volkermord + Ramegid-0 and then hold the regular Volkermord on the core until they get up

When mother is getting up from the stun, I stay close to her and dodge her attack to get a Phantom Counter and PP (she swings her arm)

Whenever I have the opportunity, I dodge attacks to get a Phantom counter and some PP

I used Ilgrants for the cubes in mother (dont know if theres a better method using only Rod)

With Deus Dragons I stay in the middle and use Grants on the other heads that are far away

When Deus is Stunned I use Ilzonde to climb faster the dragon

[RibbonSoft]

Huh, so my friend just told me they beat the trigger this morning before I got a chance to pass along everyone's advice. They said they made some changes to how they were approaching the quest and they shaved a full second off their time. They said they used rifle for cubes, used lock on for arms, didn't actually die to Deus this time, and apparently Samegid does a lot of damage to the dragon heads, allowing her to wipe them out quickly. Thanks anyway everyone. But yes she finally has expert unlocked again.

[SteveCZ]

Congrats to your friend then for not giving up. Welcome to the club.

[Saffran]

I shifted my PA rotation to guilty break, rising edge combo during down times, but Mother still takes pretty much 10 minutes anyway.
I just don't get why I do so little damage compared to (for instance) the sword only video in this very thread.
For now I'm trying to get consistent at sneaking in a couple of ignition parry here and there.
Deus is stalling for time and it's driving me mad.
I guess I should simply switch classes...

[Zorak000]

well heres an undergeared using 2017 ice weps and the phobos from the story but didnt grind them (the units werent grinded i mean)

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NkhZX8h65o[/SPOILER-BOX]
honestly this is the kind of content I was looking for out of this thread; a video of somebody doing it with pretty dang low quality gear (and showing that off at the start) so somebody could study the sheer skill required to pull off a clear like that, and learn how to apply it to their own play.

from here what we could probably use are some videos covering the individual enemies, like I never noticed Phaleg lifting her head at the last moment of her curtsy before she starts dashing until somebody pointed that out to me. there's a lot going on in some of these videos, so it would be An Idea if somebody could cover whats going on; sometimes somebody winds up missing something that seemed very simple in retrospect, so somebody politely helping to connect the dots would be greatly appreciated

[Zephyrion]

Just passing by to say I finally stopped being lazy and updated the first post with submitted, thanks everyone for contributing ! If you see anything off, be it mispelling or link error or whatever, feel free to notfy me as well !


I shifted my PA rotation to guilty break, rising edge combo during down times, but Mother still takes pretty much 10 minutes anyway.
I just don't get why I do so little damage compared to (for instance) the sword only video in this very thread.
For now I'm trying to get consistent at sneaking in a couple of ignition parry here and there.
Deus is stalling for time and it's driving me mad.
I guess I should simply switch classes...

Sadly, Sword Hu is pretty tough on Mother, and in general, due to how reliant it is on successful ignition parries to get the most ouf it. It also means Sword overall struggles on stuns since there is nothing to parry. It's pretty much why most tryhard HUs resort to partisan for stuns since it's a weapon that fares better in that scenario. That being said, Sword has all it needs to get decently fast clears and decent power on stun, just it will require more work than classes with easy access to bursts.
For the damage part, I'll just quote what the person that submitted the low gear Sword only video said about various relatively free boosts. I updated the opening thread with his undergeared sword clear video so unless it's the one you're referring to, be sure to give it a watch !


I kept all of those buffs because there is no reason not to use them. Now you can reroll drinks and team tree isn't hot cancer, as long as you are in a team you can just grab the 20% attack (remember, only like 5% damage). Weak point is optimal there since it is 15% damage on the bosses weakpoints (again, shifta is only 5% and PA is 10%, if you are premium weak point is 20% damage!). Finally meat stir fry is 200k for 30 minutes, which is 1 1/2 attempts. Due to the relaxed points on hunter skill tree, if you are using guard stance you can basically grab s atk ups super easily. Here is a tree that has automate, massive hunter maxed, 2 points in iron will and 1 point in never give up, and 26/30 s atks up. Maxing s atk up gives you 225 damage (nearly 5%) http://bit.ly/2MAS61I



honestly this is the kind of content I was looking for out of this thread; a video of somebody doing it with pretty dang low quality gear (and showing that off at the start) so somebody could study the sheer skill required to pull off a clear like that, and learn how to apply it to their own play.

from here what we could probably use are some videos covering the individual enemies, like I never noticed Phaleg lifting her head at the last moment of her curtsy before she starts dashing until somebody pointed that out to me. there's a lot going on in some of these videos, so it would be An Idea if somebody could cover whats going on; sometimes somebody winds up missing something that seemed very simple in retrospect, so somebody politely helping to connect the dots would be greatly appreciated

I thought of doing something like a guide at first, but not only would it be painstakingly long and tedious, it wouldn't be equally helpful to everyone : some classes and people just look for different things in those fights, so there are way too many variables to take into account. It's the very reason why I chose to resort to the advice and submission system : sure you can't just share it like a guide, but this way, you know any advice and insight that is given is helpful in some way, and hopefully, people reading along might pick up a thing or two as well ! That being said if a good soul is willing to make a guide they have all my support !

[diamondx]

Can anyone give any tips or trick on the solo EQ Destroyers of light, please. I am a gu/fi level 90. thanks in advance. :)

[Loveless62]

Can anyone give any tips or trick on the solo EQ Destroyers of light, please. I am a gu/fi level 90. thanks in advance. :)
Are you attempting to S-rank clear or simply trying to improve your time?

Here are some general tips: use the devastating firepower and generous i-frames granted to your class. Don't screw up and drop your chains. Learn tricks to get double IF-0 in your chain finish (which are demonstrated in the videos). Learn boss patterns to avoid getting hit.

One trick I know is that you can maintain your chain on Deus' weak point when he is drawn back by keeping a target lock on his weak point and picking on him with normals when he shows openings. Then you can finish the chain when he draws his weak point close.

Check out the videos linked by Zephyrion:

Gunner
fast clear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=001ZE3UqpxE&t=198s
No chain clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3rXJhPoM-A&t=104s

[Tymek]

A friend of mine was having trouble unlocking Expert, and I got reminded that this thread still exists. Bumping for newer players etc.

[Zulastar]

A friend of mine was having trouble unlocking Expert

I'm really tired of "Expert" overflooded by noDPS scum recently: like skippind an extra round in Armada and Easter EQ 'cause of them slack and leach.
Or clearing Elder arms less than 10 times instead of 12-15 and brind much less Cubes from there 'cause these fcks don't bother to use boosts on it too. All MPAs who can't kill Arms in 2 minutes must be fcking kicked from Expert matching for real.

I wish we'll have hardened reqs restricted for each class/character soon.

[ralf542]

I'm surprised that they haven't updated it with a solo this or that on UH with S-rank.

[Zephyrion]

I'm really tired of "Expert" overflooded by noDPS scum recently: like skippind an extra round in Armada and Easter EQ 'cause of them slack and leach.
Or clearing Elder arms less than 10 times instead of 12-15 and brind much less Cubes from there 'cause these fcks don't bother to use boosts on it too. All MPAs who can't kill Arms in 2 minutes must be fcking kicked from Expert matching for real.

I wish we'll have hardened reqs restricted for each class/character soon.

Bruh, thanks for the clout from the necro buuuut that's really not the place to have that kind of statement,. This thread is make to help people bridge the gap, learn the game, access Expert, and hopefully continue improving while having fun. So if you're not going to contribute to this in any way, I'll kindly ask you to refrain from saying such things in this thread. If you really wanna whine, there are tons of better places to do so xD


I'm surprised that they haven't updated it with a solo this or that on UH with S-rank.

I kind of considered it but then just refrained from doing so mainly because UH is ultimately just "XH with more HP", and most of the people that did XH runs also have at least decent UH runs. That being said, I wouldn't mind updating the directory with UH runs for every class. If you and a few people just post here and say they would like a directory update with UH runs (just to know there is at least some kind of interest), then I'll do it asap !

[ArcaneTechs]

I'm really tired of "Expert" overflooded by noDPS scum recently: like skippind an extra round in Armada and Easter EQ 'cause of them slack and leach.
Or clearing Elder arms less than 10 times instead of 12-15 and brind much less Cubes from there 'cause these fcks don't bother to use boosts on it too. All MPAs who can't kill Arms in 2 minutes must be fcking kicked from Expert matching for real.

I wish we'll have hardened reqs restricted for each class/character soon.

we already know that theres nothing you can do when ppl cheese their way in no matter how badly they play on their main class. all you can do is observe how bad they are and move on. I feel like I'm the only one who skips Elder, arms are a waste of time (when DQ destroyed 8s Dim weapon prices), 1 class cube a run is meh and the main fight is barely worth the time unless you seriously need Genon or S8 Shifta tier drop rate of getting a capsule from the crystal and Armada, I mean why bother unless you need those 15*s for Stil (DQ also destroyed Basilis 8's prices too and theyre pretty common to get). Elder arms are average 2-3mins a run which is fine, anything beyond that is stepping into bad territory


I'm surprised that they haven't updated it with a solo this or that on UH with S-rank.

they'll probably announce this next stream or after Ep6 has ended since it wasn't shown on the road map (at that I saw it wasnt there)


with all the power creep lately, it should be absolutely no problem for people to get Expert, the individual needs to get some skill down and learn boss patterns and they'll clear it easy.

[Coatl]

I'm really tired of "Expert" overflooded by noDPS scum recently: like skippind an extra round in Armada and Easter EQ 'cause of them slack and leach.
Or clearing Elder arms less than 10 times instead of 12-15 and brind much less Cubes from there 'cause these fcks don't bother to use boosts on it too. All MPAs who can't kill Arms in 2 minutes must be fcking kicked from Expert matching for real.

I wish we'll have hardened reqs restricted for each class/character soon.

I'm really sorry you didn't get your one extra run of Easter or your 2-3 extra runs of Falz Arms in. It must have taken a lot of internal strength to overcome such hardship.

[NightlightPro]

people with unaffixed units,weapons and expensive fashion on expert matches doe

[Karen Erra]

I'm really tired of "Expert" overflooded by noDPS scum recently: like skippind an extra round in Armada and Easter EQ 'cause of them slack and leach.
Or clearing Elder arms less than 10 times instead of 12-15 and brind much less Cubes from there 'cause these fcks don't bother to use boosts on it too. All MPAs who can't kill Arms in 2 minutes must be fcking kicked from Expert matching for real.

I wish we'll have hardened reqs restricted for each class/character soon.

And I wish people with that unnecessarily rude attitude of yours would be immediately kicked from the game, but I guess neither of our wishes will come true.

If you are really that hellbent on getting away from that forsaken noDPS scum, why don't you just play things on your own? The way you sound like
indicates that you can surely do everything by yourself without the need for other people.

Seriously.. the nerve to put a post like this in a thread that's out there to help people who struggle with unlocking expert and searching for advice...

[wefwq]

Expert mode was a mistake.

[Zephyrion]

Expert mode was a mistake.

Expert mode is not responsible for entitled whiney people, it only gives them something to hide behind when they state BS such as this. I still do believe Expert mode is nice in the sense that it's a nice step to go try and challenge yourself to then try other fun and challenging quests that people wouldn't otherwise attempt, although how SEGA implemented it is...still questionable. I still hope SEGA tries and put some intermediate stuff, because going right from completely trivial seasonal EQs to solo raids/XQ and most of the UH single party/solo content is just wrong and is the reason why the expert hurdle is so troublesome in the first place.

In the meantime, while I fully understand people wanting reacting to the whine, let's try and keep it clean and not veer off topic !

[Dark Mits]

Expert mode is fine. Player behaviour is not the game's fault, though in my opinion Sega could be held accountable for designing content in such way that treating other players and acting like in the above quote is the most rewarding for a player.

For some people finishing faster is not enough. They want to ensure that they earn more in-game stuff than lesser performers, that they belong to the "upper echelon". And Sega has enabled that with uncapped runs, or with being able to log in a different character to earn the rewards a second time then transfer the reward to the first character to bypass the limit. But capping runs is again "anti-player" design with PSO2's EQ system, because then you'd have to maximize running different EQ occurences, which includes waking up in the midnight for a scheduled (or even non-scheduled) run.

The above is standard in pretty much any online game currently.


Aaaaaanyway, to not derail the thread, even if players do not have access to the newest equipment (anything 15* weap / 13* unit) to maximise their damage output, they can still invest in hybrid affixes, for example full ATK with All Resist III on all units+weapon, which is 12% damage reduction.
Having Etoile as subclass for massive-ness (ie. negating flinching/knockdown) for many enemy abilities can also help by reducing the time players spend trying to avoid incoming attacks, which in turn means higher uptime of damage abilities.
Lifesteal affixes are amazing on classes with many "little" hits
Do not ignore Timed Abilities
Cook Meat Stir Fry for the extra ATK
Purchase crafts for PAs/Techs that have been products of Great Successes
Try to get all 8 ability slots for your mag, and stuff it with HP Restore A. Mate/Mizer production for builds with automate is also recommended.

[otakun]

Literally nothing is stopping people from forming their own MPAs but they're too lazy.
Expert mode is an entitlement so you don't have to make your own MPAs.
Splitting the player base is anti-player.
Saying people have to play a certain way is also anti-player.
If Sega actually cared they'd make affixing easier instead of continuing to separate the base. (which they kinda did, small step in the right direction)
But that's just my opinion even if its the minority one.

[Zulastar]

Bruh, thanks for the clout from the necro
Man you're pretty blind to see I'm only reacting to it.

And my main isshue here CLASS/CHARACTER restricted Expert Reqs to pervent players to attend EQs whith classes they can't play well or don't have a proper equipment for it after cheesing their status.

For example you can compare me on the Elder Arms dealing minimum 3m damage with Full Connect each 20 seconds + about 500-800k with each Distortion Pierce used and some Hero barely ticlking it with his Rising Slash holding or BNS spam... nuff said.

[echofaith]

Guess I am guilty of that. I usually skip Elder EQ, but after they added the ability transfer passes, I use the EQ as a mean to get easy cubes for the groups of classes I never play. I assume many others are doing the same :p

[Loveless62]

The expert requirements, in general, seemed to be pretty arbitrary, but I think it is safe to say that they have been lagging behind the current state of the game. The Phanatical Phantoms XQ requirement seemed like more of a survivability test, since you are not allowed to die, but Et (even as just a subclass) can trivialize survival there. The Mom & Dad requirement is more of a DPS requirement, since dying, at worst, only forces you to run back from the gateway ship. But this requirement needs S-rank on XH, not even UH, and we have 15* weapons now.

[ArcaneTechs]

Man you're pretty blind to see I'm only reacting to it.

And my main isshue here CLASS/CHARACTER restricted Expert Reqs to pervent players to attend EQs whith classes they can't play well or don't have a proper equipment for it after cheesing their status.

For example you can compare me on the Elder Arms dealing minimum 3m damage with Full Connect each 20 seconds + about 500-800k with each Distortion Pierce used and some Hero barely ticlking it with his Rising Slash holding or BNS spam... nuff said.

theres no point in putting class restrictions like that for Expert unlock though, you're just forcing people to play classes they don't play or like. I hate playing Hunter and I'd bad at the class but hell I'd be slightly upset having to learn it but Hu/Et is so stupid atm I could easily tank through it np.

Low effort playing Hero's are not something to be proud of out DPS'ing, it's zero effort, I'd argue I'd out DPS you with Stil wand but thats not the point here


The expert requirements, in general, seemed to be pretty arbitrary, but I think it is safe to say that they have been lagging behind the current state of the game. The Phanatical Phantoms XQ requirement seemed like more of a survivability test, since you are not allowed to die, but Et (even as just a subclass) can trivialize survival there. The Mom & Dad requirement is more of a DPS requirement, since dying, at worst, only forces you to run back from the gateway ship. But this requirement needs S-rank on XH, not even UH, and we have 15* weapons now.

It's like the last Expert req, power creep made it trivial with our current gear then and now. Even when they up the requirements sometime later, despite all the power creep theres still going to be casuals whining about being gated off Expert matching because "it's too hard" "muh elitism". Even now there are people who for whatever reason still can't clear the current Expert Reqs or just now clearing it either because they refuse to put the effort in it and LEARN or just attempt, get mad and give up.


Literally nothing is stopping people from forming their own MPAs but they're too lazy.

you'd be surprised that even being on a team and having 10-30 people online that trying to setup MPA's sometimes because pointless much less the hassle of trying to get everything organized. Not saying it's impossible but it varies on the people


Expert mode is an entitlement so you don't have to make your own MPAs.

wrong


Splitting the player base is anti-player.

it is not, there will always be people who want to play with others of similar skill or better versus being stuck with a mixed bag of good and bad players especially when this game is all about being fast and getting the most of content in as efficient time as possible. If people want faster runs, get Expert unlocked or up your overall play skill or go play some other game because you feel the Dev's personally hate you or something


Saying people have to play a certain way is also anti-player.

Seeing people play Hr and spamming absolutely nothing but BnS on everything including bosses, Br/Ra player who's using Million Storm on everything etc is incredibly useless and inefficient to the point where a Te/Ph support can easily out DPS them without the use of Zanverse. If you want to play niche combo because you think it "works" then kindly stick to non-expert where you can do this to your content because people, again, want the most out of their runs to get drops efficiently (more runs, more chances) but not be held back because someone isn't picking up the slack


If Sega actually cared they'd make affixing easier instead of continuing to separate the base. (which they kinda did, small step in the right direction)
But that's just my opinion even if its the minority one.

Affixing is very easy but obviously more costly, though like most people, I'd argue for a better system sometimes



Expert mode was a mistake.

it never has been from the beginning, just mad casuals who refute this


people with unaffixed units,weapons and expensive fashion on expert matches doe

they'll always place low on the parser though, can't do much about it but inspect gear and expect what effort they'll put out

[Dark Mits]

you'd be surprised that even being on a team and having 10-30 people online that trying to setup MPA's sometimes because pointless much less the hassle of trying to get everything organized. Not saying it's impossible but it varies on the peopleAnd this is 100% Sega's fault, for designing the reward system of PSO2 in such way that ignoring everyone on your Team and friend list, and going entirely solo, has in virtually every single case higher payout. 40% Triboost and 100TP are less than a drop in a bucket, I'll exaggerate a bit and state that the 2000 meseta that you randomly gather in your daily FQ as enemy drops are more rewarding.


wrongOtakun's statement is both wrong and right. Expert mode was implemented so that players who are better performers can end up in mpas with other higher performers, to bring a better gaming experience for them. This was possible before the existence of Expert mode too, except it required people to manually filter players on an individual basis. Higher performers are the part of the playerbase who wanted additional screening filters, but they did not want to work for it, they wanted it to be entirely automatic. Sega obliged, and they implemented Expert mode. And now we are in the entirely opposite situation, where people who wish to be trully casual and enjoy the game as a video game instead of a job, have to manually screen others and even lock their non-expert runs to prevent zergers and abusers from leaking in.

Also personal opinion: If you are the leader of a group, and you restart a run, or move to the next room in DQ, etc. without first confirming that everyone is ready (for example they have finished picking up the spoils of the last run), you are part of the problem. And quite frankly, this is the main difference I notice in player behaviour between Expert and non-Expert runs.


it is not, there will always be people who want to play with others of similar skill or better versus being stuck with a mixed bag of good and bad players especially when this game is all about being fast and getting the most of content in as efficient time as possible. If people want faster runs, get Expert unlocked or up your overall play skill or go play some other game because you feel the Dev's personally hate you or somethingExactly. People want faster runs for faster personal rewards. This means foregoing any coordination with others, and generally engaging in any activity that may have you ask someone "Are you ready?" This is more frequent in Expert mpas.

But telling others to just work towwards unlocking Expert brings us to the current situation. Someone who unlocked Expert 6 months ago is most likely performing higher than someone who is unlocking it now. So even though both players have it unlocked at present, the former player now has a newly-Expert member in their mpa, and the latter naturally has lower output by about say 30%. So the former player is again in a mixed group of people with performance ranges of 30%, and they complain about Expert reqs needed to be adjusted. And they're right to do so, because Expert reqs should be adjusted every time there is powercreep. But imagine asking players to re-unlock Expert every month.


Affixing is very easy but obviously more costly, though like most people, I'd argue for a better system sometimesAffixing is easy, but the problem is that it requires external tools and spreadsheets. There are over 100 different rules for transfer rates and synthesizing of non-basic affixes, and the fact that failure is always bringing you at a worse state than before simply makes people say "I cba with this".

I would really like Sega to entirely replace failure chances with heavily increasing meseta costs, but players who are using the tools created by the community would not be favoured by that.


it never has been from the beginning, just mad casuals who refute thisDon't confuse casuals with bad players.

[cheapgunner]

Gonna be honest. I gave up months ago but still haven't quit grinding and working toward better and better gear and new class combos and strategies/playstyles.

Atm I don't think I can even clear Hunar Stage 1, as I keep getting OHKO each and every time I even miss a step.

Mother and Deus should be easy for like 90% of the people in this thread with their eyes closed but I struggle with Boss patterns and even moderately challenging Boss Fights to boot.

I'm a "fight from miles away and snipe" type of player. Not a "in your face and dance around bullets and blows" gamer as of late.

[ArcaneTechs]

And this is 100% Sega's fault, for designing the reward system of PSO2 in such way that ignoring everyone on your Team and friend list, and going entirely solo, has in virtually every single case higher payout. 40% Triboost and 100TP are less than a drop in a bucket, I'll exaggerate a bit and state that the 2000 meseta that you randomly gather in your daily FQ as enemy drops are more rewarding.

ya I agree but at the same time I don't always like trying to look for people to run content with otherwise I dont run it at all. solo is fine but outside the PT boost (which I always try to get ppl to do anyways because 40% on top is better than nothing, w/e increases the odds, the better). Not sure what else can incentivize people to join up more often but at the same time, you have to keep in mind everyones social skills. Intro and Extrovert people, even though I've said just join PTs, you dont have to talk its idk I guess anxiety to do so. Not going to get into the looting issues, you have auto pick-up and auto add drops in the options for the important things so idk what the big deal is anymore


Otakun's statement is both wrong and right. Expert mode was implemented so that players who are better performers can end up in mpas with other higher performers, to bring a better gaming experience for them. This was possible before the existence of Expert mode too, except it required people to manually filter players on an individual basis. Higher performers are the part of the playerbase who wanted additional screening filters, but they did not want to work for it, they wanted it to be entirely automatic. Sega obliged, and they implemented Expert mode. And now we are in the entirely opposite situation, where people who wish to be trully casual and enjoy the game as a video game instead of a job, have to manually screen others and even lock their non-expert runs to prevent zergers and abusers from leaking in.

dont know if I understood this right, you're saying casuals have to look out for shitters and lock their mpa's? I've never heard this seeing as you're going to match with other non expert anyways


Also personal opinion: If you are the leader of a group, and you restart a run, or move to the next room in DQ, etc. without first confirming that everyone is ready (for example they have finished picking up the spoils of the last run), you are part of the problem. And quite frankly, this is the main difference I notice in player behaviour between Expert and non-Expert runs.

you have auto pick up, is it that big a deal that you didn't pick up some 10 and 12* weapons when the important stuff already went into your inventory? frankly I skip whats on the floor after I break the crystal, DQ itself drops a lot of Ex Cubes anyways


Exactly. People want faster runs for faster personal rewards. This means foregoing any coordination with others, and generally engaging in any activity that may have you ask someone "Are you ready?" This is more frequent in Expert mpas.

theres usually a general play that everyone picks up on for content, a general layout that people mostly follow (or rather figure out from different sources). if you people want some sort of coordination, say something in public chat otherwise you kinda have to go with the flow but you can also try and form your own group and get some coordination there


But telling others to just work towwards unlocking Expert brings us to the current situation. Someone who unlocked Expert 6 months ago is most likely performing higher than someone who is unlocking it now. So even though both players have it unlocked at present, the former player now has a newly-Expert member in their mpa, and the latter naturally has lower output by about say 30%. So the former player is again in a mixed group of people with performance ranges of 30%, and they complain about Expert reqs needed to be adjusted. And they're right to do so, because Expert reqs should be adjusted every time there is powercreep. But imagine asking players to re-unlock Expert every month.

I'm more accepting of people who went from being casual to average by unlocking Expert without having to cheese their way in because "usually" this tells me they're willing to improve their play, they did "some" research and practice into actually making it in. Now despite them being fresh in Expert, it doesn't really bother me as long as they aren't doing stupid crap like BnS spam and Million Storm on literally everything


Affixing is easy, but the problem is that it requires external tools and spreadsheets. There are over 100 different rules for transfer rates and synthesizing of non-basic affixes, and the fact that failure is always bringing you at a worse state than before simply makes people say "I cba with this".

whats wrong with doing some research and looking at the swiki? all the affixing bonuses etc are laid out for you, hell theres even an affix sim that can layout a fodder build for you


I would really like Sega to entirely replace failure chances with heavily increasing meseta costs, but players who are using the tools created by the community would not be favoured by that.

why wouldnt they be favored? but paying for mistakes wouldnt necessarily be a risk or reward deal and seeing how easy meseta is to get, you could literally just pay until it all passes which frankly would be guranteed, the price of retries would have to be incredibly high and I don't mean 10mill an attempt either


Don't confuse casuals with bad players.

I'm a mixed bag with this, in my experience I place bad with the majority of casuals but I've met my fair share and have friends who are also casual but good at the game if they want to be but the general view I have is that if you're whining and complaining about the current Expert Req (and future) being too hard, you're just being a shitter who's refusing to "get good"




Gonna be honest. I gave up months ago but still haven't quit grinding and working toward better and better gear and new class combos and strategies/playstyles.

Atm I don't think I can even clear Hunar Stage 1, as I keep getting OHKO each and every time I even miss a step.

Mother and Deus should be easy for like 90% of the people in this thread with their eyes closed but I struggle with Boss patterns and even moderately challenging Boss Fights to boot.

I'm a "fight from miles away and snipe" type of player. Not a "in your face and dance around bullets and blows" gamer as of late.

maybe the class you're playing isn't working out for you? I couldn't tell you without lack of details on class, gear, tree build etc

[cheapgunner]

maybe the class you're playing isn't working out for you? I couldn't tell you without lack of details on class, gear, tree build etc

I will post full info on my preferred builds later today. Summoner, Force/Techer, Hunter/Phantom(Guard Stance), Etoile and Phantom are my main to run. Still early morning and need some more sleep. :[

[Dark Mits]

dont know if I understood this right, you're saying casuals have to look out for shitters and lock their mpa's? I've never heard this seeing as you're going to match with other non expert anywaysAs always, it's personal observation. You have to remember that the difference in Expert and Non-Expert is outright a dps one. Player behaviour is not filtered by it. In many circular maps (like Enchanted Forest, UH, UQ etc) players would run in random directions, spawn and complete ECs without waiting for everyone to catch up and be able to get additional rewards. In fact I am quite certain that Sega has removed the boss crystals and enemy drops in seasonal EQs exactly for this reason.
-=EDIT=-
Also my favourite example is Cradle of Darkness and ARKS: Mothership EQs. The players who blaze through it for the exp gains literally prohibit the rest of us from picking up those valuable lvl16 and lvl17 disks.


you have auto pick up, is it that big a deal that you didn't pick up some 10 and 12* weapons when the important stuff already went into your inventory? frankly I skip whats on the floor after I break the crystal, DQ itself drops a lot of Ex Cubes anywaysMost 8slots which are awesome for selling to other players for 100k-500k meseta (or for personal use of fodder creation) are 10*-12*. Those are not autopicked up. Similarily for units. I've sold 7slot units with Glares, Reveries and Crack I these last weeks for millions.


theres usually a general play that everyone picks up on for content, a general layout that people mostly follow (or rather figure out from different sources). if you people want some sort of coordination, say something in public chat otherwise you kinda have to go with the flow but you can also try and form your own group and get some coordination thereYep, 100% agreed. This is what I have been doing.


whats wrong with doing some research and looking at the swiki? all the affixing bonuses etc are laid out for you, hell theres even an affix sim that can layout a fodder build for youIt's not wrong, but it's a barrier that a majority of players is not willing to overcome. If said affix simulator was an in-game feature, you'd see at least 5 times as many players with high-tier affixes. It's also why you encounter players with 15* weapons that have end-game S-abilities combined with affixes like Burn I and Lucky Rise I (because S-ability transfer is easy, it does not require fodders, it does not require to wait for boost week, and it does not require spending additional time outside the game to get the desired result)



why wouldnt they be favored? but paying for mistakes wouldnt necessarily be a risk or reward deal and seeing how easy meseta is to get, you could literally just pay until it all passes which frankly would be guranteed, the price of retries would have to be incredibly high and I don't mean 10mill an attempt eitherThey wouldn't be favored because there is a market for fodder creation, which this feature would heavily impact.

[Tymek]

A friend of mine was having trouble unlocking Expert, and I got reminded that this thread still exists. Bumping for newer players etc.

Update: he did it!

[Zephyrion]

Update: he did it!

Great news !!

[cheapgunner]

Here's my Main Force/Techer and Phantom builds

https://bit.ly/2XFqoEL

[spoiler-box]Phantom Main lv 95

Resonant Telmay+35
s1-s3: radiant strike
Spirita 6
Phrase Decay
Power 4
Ability 3
Stamina 4

Exacrimav+35
s1-s2: radiant strike
Ability 4
Shoot 3

Lightstream Salvaxion+35
s1-s3: radiant strike
ability 3
spirita 3
Areas the soul
spirita boost

Units:

Rear/Avion orb+10
Ares the soul
stamina 3
spirita 3
ability 3
vinculum

arm/liberate one+10
Ares the soul
stamina 3
spirita 3
ability 3
vinculum

leg/liberate mass+10
Ares the soul
stamina 3
spirita 3
ability 3
vinculum

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Force/techer lv 95/95

Lightstream Salvaxion+35 (Same)

Genon Dharasa+30
Noble Technique
Ares the soul
Stamina 3
Ability 3
Spirita 4
Love Fever
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1 Mag lv 200 - Dex and
1 Mag lv 200 - T-atk[/spoiler-box]

I dont' have any of the phantom L rings setup on my Phantom atm but I do have peacee zondeel and tails long extend for my Force on a different Arm and Leg Liberate set unlisterd (same affixes too).

Summoner and Etoile will be up later (Idunno if I wanna put all that damn effort to lsit every gummy, parfait and cookie in eevery candy box for every pet I use *grumbles loudly*)..

[milranduil]

Also personal opinion: If you are the leader of a group, and you restart a run, or move to the next room in DQ, etc. without first confirming that everyone is ready (for example they have finished picking up the spoils of the last run), you are part of the problem. And quite frankly, this is the main difference I notice in player behaviour between Expert and non-Expert runs.

Exactly. People want faster runs for faster personal rewards. This means foregoing any coordination with others, and generally engaging in any activity that may have you ask someone "Are you ready?" This is more frequent in Expert mpas.

this smells of negative bias towards expert players or some specific people. circumstantial evidence proves literally nothing. of course passing expert gets easier due to power creep, but power creep is not really what gets players through XQ. them learning how to deal with bosses does. you can give a player +20% damage, but they're still not capable of using it correctly when they are new to the game or unfamiliar with how to dual with an aggressive enemy. as much as people don't want to accept, skill/execution/knowledge in this game mean 100x more than an affix or 14->15* weapon. i really don't understand why so many people don't see that.

[Dark Mits]

of course passing expert gets easier due to power creep, but power creep is not really what gets players through XQ. them learning how to deal with bosses does. you can give a player +20% damage, but they're still not capable of using it correctly when they are new to the game or unfamiliar with how to dual with an aggressive enemy. as much as people don't want to accept, skill/execution/knowledge in this game mean 100x more than an affix or 14->15* weapon. i really don't understand why so many people don't see that.This was true before the release of Etoile. With Et as subclass, I was able to pretty much ignore many oneshot mechanics

[ralf542]

people with unaffixed units,weapons and expensive fashion on expert matches doe

What do you consider unaffixed? Weapon/unit drops with random affixes that it comes with? Stuff with the default 60atk shop affix?

Here are some great affixes BTW
https://i.imgur.com/4WfBljM.jpg

[Zulastar]

Well for you guys seems normal to have lvl 91-93 Hunters with unaffixed garbage units and +30 Chaval Ebuelle equipped which I saw today and many others without even average gear and same level of playing skill in Expert runs.
Well they need at least up Expert Reqs lvl to 95 already to pervent this scum to lvl up their minor classes in it.

[Karen Erra]

Yeah because god forbid some people use 15* weapons from the collect file on +30. Sometimes I'm at a loss for words here.

Having level 95 as expert requirement is not gonna do much in my eyes since most people already have a class that's 95 and they
just level their secondary classes.

Maybe Sega will one day do us all a favor and implement a super-expert requirement for the upper 1% of the playerbase. Then everyone
with their high expert standards can move on there and stop complaining about others.

[milranduil]

Well for you guys seems normal to have lvl 91-93 Hunters with unaffixed garbage units and +30 Chaval Ebuelle equipped which I saw today and many others without even average gear and same level of playing skill in Expert runs.
Well they need at least up Expert Reqs lvl to 95 already to pervent this scum to lvl up their minor classes in it.

i really can't believe you're still complaining about other players when you outted yourself as doing low dps with poor affixes months ago. please just try to enjoy the game and stop worrying about others.

[Saffran]

But Karren, everytime something chalenging comes out people moan and whine until the difficulty is dropped...
Expert requirements shouldn't be about DPS alone. Unfortunately, PSO2 is DPS alone since beta. I don't think things are going to change 8 years into it.

[Zorak000]

in times like these I always remember: "randos; randos find a way (to be bad at the game)"

no matter what game you are playing, people will find a way to be bad no matter what arbitrary measures are put in to attempt to automatically filter users. the only reliable solution I've found is private groups; but that's only if you can reliably get enough people to show up (which is the primary problem with private groups)

the technology to actively scan people's brains to ensure they are in the correct headspace to be putting in an acceptable effort is, at the very least, not available yet; if it's possible at all within this generation of humanity

[ArcaneTechs]

in times like these I always remember: "randos; randos find a way (to be bad at the game)"

no matter what game you are playing, people will find a way to be bad no matter what arbitrary measures are put in to attempt to automatically filter users. the only reliable solution I've found is private groups; but that's only if you can reliably get enough people to show up (which is the primary problem with private groups)

250% agreed


Yeah because god forbid some people use 15* weapons from the collect file on +30. Sometimes I'm at a loss for words here.

its absolutely no excuse to be using any of those when they handed out (recently too) more Chronos, Amphridite and Lib materials for people to utilize. Those collection file weapons are not remotely good aside from aesthetics. Absolutely no reason to main them especially with how long it takes to make them, which in that time, a returning player can make a Stil series weapons which is the current power creep


Maybe Sega will one day do us all a favor and implement a super-expert requirement for the upper 1% of the playerbase. Then everyone with their high expert standards can move on there and stop complaining about others.

why so non expert players can whine even more about "muh elitism"? you already saw what happened after the last Expert Req, with how easy the last one and how everyone else at the time jumped to the new one, the EQ's that went by (aka Easter XH at the time) that the EQ was too hard, that the hardcore audience ditched the casuals and actually complained to Sega about not having that carry. It was stated on a stream when it happened but thats something you can look for on bumped.

it's not remotely hard for people to learn their class properly, develop some skills and play the game at a good level. instead all the non expert players want to whine and moan about "expert too hard, its for elitist!"


Well for you guys seems normal to have lvl 91-93 Hunters with unaffixed garbage units and +30 Chaval Ebuelle equipped which I saw today and many others without even average gear and same level of playing skill in Expert runs.
Well they need at least up Expert Reqs lvl to 95 already to pervent this scum to lvl up their minor classes in it.

you mean they should up the Lv req to join content because right now its Lv85. Leveling to current cap doesn't do much or require skill, so its pointless to do that


Here's my Main Force/Techer and Phantom builds

https://bit.ly/2XFqoEL

[spoiler-box]Phantom Main lv 95

Resonant Telmay+35
s1-s3: radiant strike
Spirita 6
Phrase Decay
Power 4
Ability 3
Stamina 4

Exacrimav+35
s1-s2: radiant strike
Ability 4
Shoot 3

Lightstream Salvaxion+35
s1-s3: radiant strike
ability 3
spirita 3
Areas the soul
spirita boost

Units:

Rear/Avion orb+10
Ares the soul
stamina 3
spirita 3
ability 3
vinculum

arm/liberate one+10
Ares the soul
stamina 3
spirita 3
ability 3
vinculum

leg/liberate mass+10
Ares the soul
stamina 3
spirita 3
ability 3
vinculum

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Force/techer lv 95/95

Lightstream Salvaxion+35 (Same)

Genon Dharasa+30
Noble Technique
Ares the soul
Stamina 3
Ability 3
Spirita 4
Love Fever
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1 Mag lv 200 - Dex and
1 Mag lv 200 - T-atk[/spoiler-box]

I dont' have any of the phantom L rings setup on my Phantom atm but I do have peacee zondeel and tails long extend for my Force on a different Arm and Leg Liberate set unlisterd (same affixes too).

Summoner and Etoile will be up later (Idunno if I wanna put all that damn effort to lsit every gummy, parfait and cookie in eevery candy box for every pet I use *grumbles loudly*)..

Ok first things first, given your affixes, it looks like you don't know too much about it or well theres nothing too wrong with it, look super super budget tier which in this day and age you can add things that are budget tier but get more out of them. If you need help with affixing, DM me if not, practice with the Sim, I don't want to wall-o-text stuff here about affixing and what current stuff you can do.

You should be using Skilled Strike S1-3 though on your Rifles as Ph, not Radiant Strike. Your units are super budget friendly which at this point, you can re-affix them with something better but I've suggested in the past, Lib Rear/Arm/Novel Leg but at this point DQ units are basically top tier but they're hard to get and Ep6 Raid quest is not too farm out so maybe you can get away with this for the time being until then but if you want to get off them, you can DM me for suggestions

Your Rod affix is the same, super budget and can be easily affixed with better materials (aka Astral soul from Ray/Union) with 100% SAF affixes. Your mags are fine.

Focus on L/Lock On Marker Bomb for a Phantom ring, literally the best thing they have for the class (and something Sega didn't need to make as a skill in general). Im personally against Zondeel now a days, not a lot of instances where you'll use it as a Ph or Fo/Ph, usually a Te will do it but stuff in UH aren't effect enough by it, while they get some suction mobs can easily escape out of it. Idk up to you

Consider going Fo/Ph though, it's basically better than Fo/Te since having to have Te as a sub isn't needed anymore since all that sub offers is PP regen increases which you have other sources for that now that are more efficient

[Karen Erra]

its absolutely no excuse to be using any of those when they handed out (recently too) more Chronos, Amphridite and Lib materials for people to utilize. Those collection file weapons are not remotely good aside from aesthetics. Absolutely no reason to main them especially with how long it takes to make them, which in that time, a returning player can make a Stil series weapons which is the current power creep

You make it almost sound as if we compare 1* with 15* weapons here. Chaval and the likes may not be the best weapons around, but surely one is able to deal good damage with them.
While I agree that there is bad parties on expert (which had always been the case, probably since one month in every new requirement), because there is good and bad people everywhere, I don't think that you need Atra EX, Lightstream, Liberate to deal sufficient damage to hold your ground.
As a person who has several different characters I surely don't have an Atra EX, Lightstream or Liberate for all of them and rely on other weapons too and I think I'm doing just fine with a well affixed Chaval Wand or whatever.



why so non expert players can whine even more about "muh elitism"? you already saw what happened after the last Expert Req, with how easy the last one and how everyone else at the time jumped to the new one, the EQ's that went by (aka Easter XH at the time) that the EQ was too hard, that the hardcore audience ditched the casuals and actually complained to Sega about not having that carry. It was stated on a stream when it happened but thats something you can look for on bumped.

it's not remotely hard for people to learn their class properly, develop some skills and play the game at a good level. instead all the non expert players want to whine and moan about "expert too hard, its for elitist!"

Funny that you complain about people who can't or barely can do the expert requirement whining about it, yet you complain yourself an awful lot about just these people who are not as well equipped
as you are or have that same level of skill you have. I guess both sides complaining about each other is just how this will always go.
My point is that an overly stupid requirement, that only a small amount of people could actually reach, would take care of many problems. The high-class experts can play among themselves and the casual players can form the big rest of the playerbase. Maybe something like that is needed to get this everlasting conflict out of the way.
Whatever they add next as a requirement for expert matching, it will surely make everyone complain even more again.

Surely it's good if everyone just ups their gameplay and put more skill and effort into it, but regardless, there will always be good and bad people and there will always be good and bad runs. I say stop acting like it's the end of the world, if there is a few slower runs here and there, but I know you take it a lot more seriously than that, so ignore that I said it.

[the_importer_]

If SEGA really cared about an Expert mode, they would drop that title and make something like the following:

-Add Expert for each class in the training mode which requires good DPS and skill mastering in order to complete
-Each training would be different and accommodate each class to what's it's suppose to be good at
-Re-tune these every time there's a new level cap or new way of playing and/or affixing
-Refuse entry to expert games if the main and sub classed aren't capped and if the main class has not passed the latest expert requirements

[ArcaneTechs]

Funny that you complain about people who can't or barely can do the expert requirement whining about it, yet you complain yourself an awful lot about just these people who are not as well equipped
as you are or have that same level of skill you have. I guess both sides complaining about each other is just how this will always go.
My point is that an overly stupid requirement, that only a small amount of people could actually reach, would take care of many problems. The high-class experts can play among themselves and the casual players can form the big rest of the playerbase. Maybe something like that is needed to get this everlasting conflict out of the way.
Whatever they add next as a requirement for expert matching, it will surely make everyone complain even more again.

non expert vs expert will always be a double edged blade, like you said, both sides will have something to complain about


Surely it's good if everyone just ups their gameplay and put more skill and effort into it, but regardless, there will always be good and bad people and there will always be good and bad runs. I say stop acting like it's the end of the world, if there is a few slower runs here and there, but I know you take it a lot more seriously than that, so ignore that I said it.

im not acting like its the end of the world though, Im too lazy to go look at my posts but im not over exaggerating like Zulastar about randoms as of late because I just all around stopped caring but I'm always going to hold a certain level of play that people who play this game on the daily and go through all the power creep (expert req, clearing content over and over etc) should have some sort of increased level of knowledge about how things work and improve from there or at the very least, plateau at a good level of play if they're going to be lazy.

few slower runs in Easter UH for example is kinda frustrating, most of us want that S8 Shifta for personal use or for a quick meseta, the more runs the better (average 4-5, maybe 6 if your group is super good) but the whole casual "just for fun" attitude isn't going to get me those runs but it'll definitely net those people 10mins per chance at that capsule.

[Zulastar]

few slower runs in Easter UH

If it was like that, but there's difference between 7-8 minutes an 10-12 when even 4th run is impossible.
I had 12 minutes run just yesterday and really tired of people like some Ranger there just holding modified Parallel Slider button through all map and don't even bother to put WB on.

[ralf542]

its absolutely no excuse to be using any of those when they handed out (recently too) more Chronos, Amphridite and Lib materials for people to utilize.

Your units are super budget friendly which at this point, you can re-affix them with something better but I've suggested in the past,
The easy stones that they handed out are 4 Chronos and 2 Amphitrite, but some people arent a hardcore elite raiders and missed them all.

Those units are so budget friendly, that they are the default affixes.

[ArcaneTechs]

If it was like that, but there's difference between 7-8 minutes an 10-12 when even 4th run is impossible.
I had 12 minutes run just yesterday and really tired of people like some Ranger there just holding modified Parallel Slider button through all map and don't even bother to put WB on.

ok what do you expect anyone to do? I'm ending up in some 10min runs myself but overall end up with at least 4 runs done, its annoying but you can't do much about it aside not starting the EQ late. It's a gamble everytime when you're playing with rando's, either suck it up or go join a team and run with them for a higher quality mpa. Nothing else you can do


The easy stones that they handed out are 4 Chronos and 2 Amphitrite, but some people arent a hardcore elite raiders and missed them all.

Those units are so budget friendly, that they are the default affixes.

a lot of the stones in the past required you to just log on or run a set amount of EQs, you don't even need to be hardcore for that and you even get one of each stone/key just by running DQ over and over. While boring, it's low effort and you're working on Stil series while doing it

[otakun]

I find it funny that some people think getting 100+ people to play the way you want is easier than getting 12 people who share your opinion to do runs ... How about getting Sega to design a system that makes premade MPAs easier to do rather than just keep moving a bar every other year.

[ArcaneTechs]

I find it funny that some people think getting 100+ people to play the way you want is easier than getting 12 people who share your opinion to do runs ... How about getting Sega to design a system that makes premade MPAs easier to do rather than just keep moving a bar every other year.

see that requires effort on Sega's part, whether they do it or not people will still be mad. now this isn't only my opinion about more runs the better, play meta classes etc a lot of people have this mind set, not just my loud mouth here and others on psow. its a thing believe it or not just obvious they run it as teams instead or coordinated friend groups both Eng and JP

[Dark Mits]

I find it funny that some people think getting 100+ people to play the way you want is easier than getting 12 people who share your opinion to do runs ... How about getting Sega to design a system that makes premade MPAs easier to do rather than just keep moving a bar every other year.The options we are given when opening a room were supposed to do that (Serious, Laid-back, the other 2 options which I forget what they are), as well as the options given when dropping a party maker (for exp, for rare items, for bosses, and I again forget the 4th option). But these cannot work when they are simply indicators and do not influence who you end up with when opening a room. At the same time, if mpa forming was "locked" according to these preferences, then everyone would flock to the option with the lowest waiting time.

Also, how does one design an automatic group formation system for a PvE game, when even games with skill-measuring systems that have hard math behind them (LoL, Dota 2, Overwatch, and generally any PvP-focused game) have massive complaints about group-forming being broken?

Regarding finding others who play the way you want, that's the entire purpose of Teams. Teams are not just the Tree ATK buff. They're supposed to be communities of people who have common goals or interests. If the Team does not meet your standards, then you move on until you find one you are comfortable with. Also, we have Group chat for the exact same reason, another way to form mini-communities that are not tied to Teams.

[otakun]

see that requires effort on Sega's part, whether they do it or not people will still be mad. now this isn't only my opinion about more runs the better, play meta classes etc a lot of people have this mind set, not just my loud mouth here and others on psow. its a thing believe it or not just obvious they run it as teams instead or coordinated friend groups both Eng and JP

I dont mind people preferring the idea of people playing meta builds with decent gear. I am speaking more of the fact that expecting everyone to play the way you expect or want isn't something you should. For example of Easter UH, if you want people going in with their mains for quicker runs, don't go randoms with people who could just be doing bingos on their weeklies characters (like I have). Though on a final note, while I am aware of Sega being lazy with some convenience updates, pretty sure just making something easier to do would be better for the playerbase. Like making affixing easier (cheaper) would make people who spend billions on gear mad but then you would have higher stated people on more runs (except bingo runs =P)



The options we are given when opening a room were supposed to do that (Serious, Laid-back, the other 2 options which I forget what they are), as well as the options given when dropping a party maker (for exp, for rare items, for bosses, and I again forget the 4th option). But these cannot work when they are simply indicators and do not influence who you end up with when opening a room. At the same time, if mpa forming was "locked" according to these preferences, then everyone would flock to the option with the lowest waiting time.

Also, how does one design an automatic group formation system for a PvE game, when even games with skill-measuring systems that have hard math behind them (LoL, Dota 2, Overwatch, and generally any PvP-focused game) have massive complaints about group-forming being broken?

Regarding finding others who play the way you want, that's the entire purpose of Teams. Teams are not just the Tree ATK buff. They're supposed to be communities of people who have common goals or interests. If the Team does not meet your standards, then you move on until you find one you are comfortable with. Also, we have Group chat for the exact same reason, another way to form mini-communities that are not tied to Teams.

well, I was speaking more for a system where you can assign an MPA to one leader that starts runs to make them quicker as an example. I'm already aware of the systems you are speaking of but clearly they aren't enough for the people who are complaining about expert.

[Karen Erra]

non expert vs expert will always be a double edged blade, like you said, both sides will have something to complain about

As sad as it is, yeah. I think this is what bothers me the most about the whole expert matching. Ever since it's a thing there is a constant dispute between people who
easily done any requirement day one and those that have a hard time. It split the playerbase and it's just annoying to me.


im not acting like its the end of the world though, Im too lazy to go look at my posts but im not over exaggerating like Zulastar about randoms as of late because I just all around stopped caring but I'm always going to hold a certain level of play that people who play this game on the daily and go through all the power creep (expert req, clearing content over and over etc) should have some sort of increased level of knowledge about how things work and improve from there or at the very least, plateau at a good level of play if they're going to be lazy.

Yes, that is true. I did not really "really" mean you, when I posted my comment. I probably overexaggerated a little myself because the attitude of some people, really grinds my gears. I don't think one has to be overly rude and calling other people scum or anything like that, regardless if they are playing bad or not. So yeah, I apologize it sounded like I was addressing you.


few slower runs in Easter UH for example is kinda frustrating, most of us want that S8 Shifta for personal use or for a quick meseta, the more runs the better (average 4-5, maybe 6 if your group is super good) but the whole casual "just for fun" attitude isn't going to get me those runs but it'll definitely net those people 10mins per chance at that capsule.

I am an "expert"-player as well and so I'm quite aware of the times where runs don't take 7 or 8 minutes but 10 or 12 and you miss out on another possible 1 or 2 runs.
To be quite honest, I keep running in those "bad" MPAs for easter, in fact it's been only 1 EQ occurrence where I was able to do more than 3 runs and it is a little frustrating sometimes.
So yeah, I can understand why people are annoyed by that, I guess I'm just not as bothered by it, mostly because I really couldn't care less about seasonal EQs anyway. They are
just a quick way for me to get free grinding fodders from CFs.

But be that as it is, this thread was made to help people who have trouble with expert unlocking, so my point still stands that it's absolutely unnecessary to be rude to people who may have trouble with it. I did have trouble with it too in the beginning, mostly not because I couldn't do it, but because I was too slow to gain S-ranks and so I was glad for some advice around and vids to watch other people getting it done.

[NightlightPro]

1st UH TD:VR expert run and x2 failure

are you ****ing kidding me??

[Zulastar]

1st UH TD:VR expert run and x2 failure

are you ****ing kidding me??

Big slap to the face for all these pertending assholes.

PS: and all these fcks will fail normal players unlucky to match with them now...

[cheapgunner]

Failed 1st run and the next completed it somehow. I thought we were screwed on the 2nd run since I was like top 3 points earner for the 1st 3 Waves iirc but 3 other peeps stepped up the DPS from what I saw. I guess I am a lot better than I thought I was. >.>;

[Zulastar]

top 3 points earner for the 1st 3 Waves iirc but 3 other peeps stepped up the DPS from what I saw. I guess I am a lot better than I thought I was. >.>;

Points in TD is nothing to do with DPS. It counts only from snatch a finishing strike to mob or picking a crystals.

[the_importer_]

1st UH TD:VR expert run and x2 failure

are you ****ing kidding me??

Well to be fair, people have never been really good at TD, so UH is no exception. I've never done this VR TD before, not really different from the others except for these yellow walls that seem to take forever to go away. Any tricks to those?

[Zulastar]

We're really need a separate theme to discuss it >_<

Walls can be jump over by Braver, Bouncer, Hero and Etoile.

[Reilet]

If you're a ranger, use end attract but angle it so it follows the wall so you get 5 hits. Bravers can use hatou and pen arrow in the same way. Any class that have vertical tracking moves can target the top of the wall and then proceed to leap over it. This can also be done with one more jump on JB and hero.

In any other case, they just have a lot of hp. Either go around or attack until it dies.

[Loveless62]

Don't forget that Gu can TAJASC with Aerial Shooting over the walls, too.

Photon turrets tear up walls also.

I expect there will be improvement as players get back into the TD mindset.

[Zulastar]

I expect there will be improvement as players get back into the TD mindset.

Got my first fail too: People just gnored Guranz so -1 tower and I left right after it.
Note: Phantom can be easily oneshoted by Griphon even with full 1300 HP

[Tyreek]

I like how this thread has gone from help and questions to derailing into degrading rants and opinions on who is worth becoming expert. We do have a section for rants after all. I've had my fair share of scummy expert runs, but until that bar raises again, pug runs are not a guarantee for victory. That's just my two cents.

[ralf542]

a lot of the stones in the past required you to just log on or run a set amount of EQs, you don't even need to be hardcore for that and you even get one of each stone/key just by running DQ over and over. While boring, it's low effort and you're working on Stil series while doing it
I just found the right answer for you:

I know that you three button tryhards think your good at the game but not everyone has the time or want to treat the game like it's a fighting game and a job. I'm pretty sure those tryhards would suck at other game since their long ass Te dodges and cheese cant save them in other games.

[ArcaneTechs]

I just found the right answer for you:

I know that you three button tryhards think your good at the game but not everyone has the time or want to treat the game like it's a fighting game and a job. I'm pretty sure those tryhards would suck at other game since their long ass Te dodges and cheese cant save them in other games.

Three button tryhards? Lol ok bro

[ArcaneTechs]

1st UH TD:VR expert run and x2 failure

are you ****ing kidding me??

Why are you complaining week 1 of this eq returning? Theres no point, either run with a team of ppl familiar or just do your best in TD considering 90% of the playerbase is just going to do w/e in the run

[Flaoc]

Three button tryhards? Lol ok bro

wait wait.. 3 button is tryhard and not the norm? hang on.. KEKW

[GHNeko]

I just found the right answer for you:

I know that you three button tryhards think your good at the game but not everyone has the time or want to treat the game like it's a fighting game and a job. I'm pretty sure those tryhards would suck at other game since their long ass Te dodges and cheese cant save them in other games.

nigga what??????????????


first of all, i'm pretty sure 3 button layout is the default for all new accounts that were made after it was introduced to the game.
The only people who use 2 buttons are the ones who stuck to it intentionally before 3 button was added.

you're literally insane for even comparing this to a fighting game at that.

like honestly dude what???????

[the_importer_]

The only people who use 2 buttons are the ones who stuck to it intentionally before 3 button was added.


Or soon to be departed Vita players :p

[ralf542]

nigga what??????????????

you're literally insane for even comparing this to a fighting game at that.

like honestly dude what???????
You can read more on bumped nier page if you want, like about the super easy overpowered class known as hunter or how pso2 wasn't made to be a stressful game to play like ffxiv.

[Flaoc]

You can read more on bumped nier page if you want, like about the super easy overpowered class known as hunter or how pso2 wasn't made to be a stressful game to play like ffxiv.

bruh...... i dont even and a point/click holy trinity is by default easier than action game but sure bro

https://i.imgur.com/KlJsLSL.png

[ralf542]

bruh...... i dont even and a point/click holy trinity is by default easier than action game but sure bro

But, but ffxiv is more stressful since you need to follow a rotation, can't really quad wave or freestyle Sam cuz elitist toxic raiders will harass you by giving advice that no one asked for. And that's against ToS Honey :) ^^

[ArcaneTechs]

But, but ffxiv is more stressful since you need to follow a rotation, can't really quad wave or freestyle Sam cuz elitist toxic raiders will harass you by giving advice that no one asked for. And that's against ToS Honey :) ^^

See this what happens when you get nothing but safe spaces and hug zones (which is what FF14 has become over the last few years). You guys want to treat any sort of criticism as personal attacks against you and if you can report and get them banned, you would. Just like you here on psow because because of opinions so far in this thread

And fyi i have friends who work 40-50hr weeks still in our current situation with families, they still make the time and put in the effort to get good at this game, good enough to upkeep skill and gear over time then break away from the game again as long as they need. Almost like a hardcore casual but you sound exactly the sort of person who puts minimal effort and minimal time possible into the game only to be upset when people criticize you because of your lack of skill.

Tldr: everyone but me is toxic and im being attacked

[Tymek]

Some vids for the Etoile section, since it is not a thing in this thread yet:

Phanatical Phantoms Etoile DB 5:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SLlVTB42ys

Phanatical Phantoms Etoile Wand 3:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Td3GHaIK0U

T:Destroyers of Light (XH) Etoile 9:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn9mc96idic

[cheapgunner]

Wonderful skill. At least I can get to see how the game can actually be made easy mode. :p

[Saffran]

I never notice any invincibilty in that DB attack. It's th very reason I never use DB on Etoile to begin with...

[FluxDMC]

"Expert" players have no lives in plain English because being good at a game is much more important then family and friends lol.

[the_importer_]

Some vids for the Etoile section, since it is not a thing in this thread yet:
....

Don't you need to do Destroyers of Light in UH for unlocking Expert?

[Ezodagrom]

Don't you need to do Destroyers of Light in UH for unlocking Expert?
No, only XH is needed.

[ArcaneTechs]

"Expert" players have no lives in plain English because being good at a game is much more important then family and friends lol.

sounds like someone got filtered

[Coatl]

"Expert" players have no lives in plain English because being good at a game is much more important then family and friends lol.

The expert requirement is extremely lenient though! I managed to do it with just +30 novel weapons and no s-affixes at all (I was coming back to the game and it was foreign to me). If you have just an atlas you can steamroll through these requirements, even more so once the latent almost doubles in damage soon.

I feel like expert right now just separates the people who just don't care from the people who care at least a microscopic amount.

[echofaith]

The expert requirement is extremely lenient though! I managed to do it with just +30 novel weapons and no s-affixes at all (I was coming back to the game and it was foreign to me). If you have just an atlas you can steamroll through these requirements, even moreso once the latent almost doubles in damage soon.

I feel like expert right now just separates the people who just don't care from the people who care at least a microscopic amount.

Pretty much yeah. The original expert was already like that only needing to clear stages 1-5 of first solo XQ. And yet, some people couldnt do it. People complain about expert not filtering enough players, but when you compare it to non-expert...well I am grateful we even have a filter at all :p