Which class requires the most Skill/paticence

[Sedyne]

I find that the HUcast/Caseal would be teh classes would be the most skill demanding characters with the fact that they can't hit everything easily due to lack of range of swords and that they have no techs to hit entire groups or far away enemies...therfore they are hardest to level up

OR

I'd also agree that FOmar is the hardest to use character due to the fact he doesnt excel anywhere and gets most other classes dominate in at least one area that gives them something to be able to defeat enemies much easier than the fomar

=P

[hucasts_rock]

I think the force class itself is diffucult due to low meseta...and you have to memorize technique weaknesses of certain enemies...

[Soukosa]

I can see the HU androids as being the roughest to play with due to lack of Resta and being up close to the enemies. I don't have any problems with lack of money with either of my FO's. Also, FOmars do have the most ATP of all the FO's. FOmarl's are the ones that are all balanced out.

[Mystil]

Basically the FOnewearl is the most hardest to start out with. And this is untweaked FOnewearl. The have the highest ATA of all FOs(inherited from the HUnewearl) but it's VERY crappy in beginning levels. And TP certainly isn't enough.

[ginko990]

I'd say your about right. But more the HUcast/caseal then the FOmar/marl.

[xHIGHONLIFEx]

I would have to go with Fomars/Fomarls... no DEF, ATP... with my Fomar b4, I had to borrow a lvl 150 MAG from my Android and he still got b*tched around...

[jonny-5]

I say the most patience required would be the HUcast.

[Morfos]

FOnewearl requires the most skill and patience.

[Sham]

Basically the FOnewearl is the most hardest to start out with. And this is untweaked FOnewearl. The have the highest ATA of all FOs(inherited from the HUnewearl) but it's VERY crappy in beginning levels. And TP certainly isn't enough.

My ass.

FOnewearl requires the most skill and patience.
Again, my ass.

I personally raised a FOnewearl recently, un-twinked, completely legit, using found items. It was barely what I would call "tough/difficult". Also fed my mag the whole way through, and didn't have many problems with TP. She's now LV82. If the two of you think she was the most difficult, please, never attempt raising a FOmar since you might suicide as a result. (Not that FOmar is OMFG TOUGH, but if you thought 'wearl was hard...)

I'd say FOmar is toughest to raise at first. His ATP is shit, so no use bothering with that. His MST is shit, so you'll be resorting to handguns and the like for EXP, a lot. (Due to limited TP.)

And also I agree about the android hunters. It's funny, I was thinking about it today. "God I would hate to be an android hunter, what the fuck, this guys pulling out a diska of bravemen in ult mines just so he can get exp." I think the most respect possible on PSO, would be given to an android Hunter who doesn't use dupes, and doesn't use leveling tricks, and reaches LV200.

[AxemPunanny]

Dunno know about skill as anyone can have skill with either class. As far as patience, it'll have to be the Forces, Rangers next, then Hunters.

[Elusive_Llama]

I did a stint as an android hunter for a bit...and gave it up for a Fomarl instead. You know their supposed godliness in close combat? Throw it all out the window if you have a Ranger or Force on your team, which is like ALL the time. I was resorting to slicers so I could get exp, and by the time I put the slicer away, everything was dead. Repeat ad nauseum. If you were a Humar or Hunny, you could at least toss a J/Z or Rafoie to get exp, but android hunters don't have that luxury.

Fomarls are much more fun...I've played with Fomarls in Ultimate Ruins and they do pretty darn good damage with Vulcans and L&K-14s (after Shifta and Zalure, of course).

[Richard]

In my opinion, Hunters are the hardest class to play, Android Hunters are the hardest characters.

Rangers get two weapons that make it nearly impossible to die - FROZEN SHOOTER and SPREAD NEEDLE. With both of these, getting hit becomes a rare occasion, death is almost impossible.

Forces get Deband/Jellen - 30! My FOmarl, at level 70, barely loses HP when she gets hit in Ultimate Forest. Bartles do about 10 damage. Why? Deband 30 gives her considerable DFP, and Jellen 30 just severely cripples the enemy. Again, death becomes a rarity with these two spells.

Hunters... get nothing. You can give them a powerful weapon, but you still have to get into the fray and exchange hits with the enemies. So death is still possible. Androids, without Resta/Shifta/Deband/Jellen/Zalure will have a really difficulty time.

This is just from my personal experiences. I DO twink my characters (no way a Force should have Deband/Jellen 30 in Ultimate Forest), but I don't use hacks/dupes.

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[CorneliusPower]

On 2003-06-27 01:48, Richard wrote:
In my opinion, Hunters are the hardest class to play, Android Hunters are the hardest characters.

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Hunters... get nothing. You can give them a powerful weapon, but you still have to get into the fray and exchange hits with the enemies. So death is still possible. Androids, without Resta/Shifta/Deband/Jellen/Zalure will have a really difficulty time.

This is just from my personal experiences. I DO twink my characters (no way a Force should have Deband/Jellen 30 in Ultimate Forest), but I don't use hacks/dupes.

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HU's are quite the easiest to lvl up...and by far the easiest to play...having a lvl 164 HUnewearl and lvl 133 HUmar...Easy easy easy...My RAcaseal however relies mostl on her atp and ata and the ability to lay traps...I feel the RAcaseal takes more skill than any HU class to master. My RAcaseal, P R I S S, is now lvl 156...and I feel every lvl was well owned and deserved. I dont use a Froozen shooter...yes i have 2 spread needles 1 for each area with %'s. But yes despite the high HP, we too die. Just want to say HU's are the easiest class by far, RAngers second and FO's 3rd.....FO's is another subject.

[CorneliusPower]

FOmarls and FOmars.....wow, both classes inferior to the wearl and wrm class....both lower in MST but yet higher in ATP...all preference, since FO's are generally weak to start with.....being lower in MST should be a handicap on FOmarls and FOmars. FOmarls excell in grants, yes, but really even at lvl 30 it still takes a bit of time to hit...VS your HUcast with a BKB with 100% Native, A. Beast, Machine, and Dark. FOmarls are the hardest I voted for the hardest to LVL, DEF and HP are low as well. Hands down FOmarls, then FOmar, then RAcaseal, and RAcast, in that order....CIAO!



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[Wufei]

Also, FOmars do have the most ATP of all the FO's. FOmarl's are the ones that are all balanced out.
FOmars may be "balanced out," but that's not good for a Force. His technique and magic capabilities are inferior to that of the FOnewm and FOnewearl. He's also a Force male, which means he casts techniques slower when he has a weapon equipped. Yet he has decent ATP and ATA for a Force, so people equip him with weapons. At least FOmarls cast techniques fast when they have a weapon equipped. In my opinion, FOmars are one big contradiction.

I voted for FOmar. He can either run in the center of everything and cast Gifoie, or tickle monsters with attempts at weapon use. Those are his "strong points," it seems.

Excuse me while I go back to nuking everything in sight with my FOnewm.

[GuerillaPimp]

Ive really had no problems out of my FOmar (currently level 110). The only minor problem i ran into was a Mag problem when i got to ultimate. I tried using a nidra with 16/79/30/75 and had my ass handed to me. So as a result, i then farmed two mags, one with 10/0/4/180 for casting. and the other is 10/115/50/25 for melee/ranged combat.

[Kanore]

I'd say FOmars and FOmarls demand alot. When I started Kanore, I really had a tough time casting, because of his funds and my limited MAGs... actually, I had absolutely no MAG but a very poorly raised Kabanda 200 MAG. But once I got to around the 90s, I was perfectly casting, and about in the 125s I started to Melee.

FOmars and Marls demand alot, but the HU droids require patience as well too.

[Malkavian]

HUcast/caseal like amny other said. Once in Ultimate are the harer ones to make them level up. No techs to hit all enemies, no multi target ranged weapons. So there's need to hit the enemies one by one and the help of traps.

In ver.2 where Hucast was godlike I got very tired of leveling up. Always stressed trying to hit all enemies while others only casted a razonde when entering the room for it.

[s.TiNgEr]

Forces barely. They can use good magic, but they loose lots of mesets. Then there is the android, that cannot use any magic, but saves lots of meseta.

[Parabola]

I voted FOmar/marl...but not that I think about it...I should have voted RAmar/marl. RAs get to stand back with their guns and shoot things..on Episode 1 and 2, the RAs weaps were watered down (made a lot less effective/powerful). They don't do near as much damage as they used to. FOs stand back and blast the shit out of everything usually doing lots of damage, and HUs usually bash everything with their high ATP.

[SubstanceD]

I have not tried all the classes ( well I have but not for any decent amount of time ) so I am not qualified to vote since I am very ignorant to anything that is not a Hunter but in my opinion Hunters are easier to level up for the first 2 or so difficulty levels but after that things do become a bit harder for them and if you are a Hucast or a Hucaseal ( especially in Offline solo only play )then things will become difficult sooner or later. Fomar and Fomarls are too balanced for thier class and don't really excel in anything, Fomars in particular will be hard to get going but once they start learning decent spells and finding better stuff they should become very strong and they should have no trouble by the end of the game ( especially with the recnt discovery of the Mines trick, lv. up super quick ). So in many ways Hucasts/Hucaseals and Fomars/Fomarls are on completly different ends of the scale. Hucasts and Hucaseals require alot of patience near to get to the end of the game ( lv.200 ) since they have no resta, no stat boosting techs and no Rafoi ( so they can't level up super quick with the mines trick like all the other Humans and Newmans ). Fomars and Fomarls require alot of patience at the begining of the game, at least untill they get enough techs to suport themselves ( and boost thier medicore stats ), enough ATP ( Fomar )/MST ( Fomarl ) to do what they do best and can get to the stage where they can use the mines trick to gain enough levels to maximise thier potential.


To the person who said they have the utmost respect for anyone who has a lv.200 Hucast/Hucaseal who does not dupe and does not uses leveling tricks, there are days when I get fed up playing this game but the only thing that keeps me going is my desire to take my Hucaseal, the supposedly ( and probably is ) weakest character in the game all the way to lv.200 and prove to everyone that it can be done and that all you have to do is put in the time. Even more ironic is the fact that my other character is a Fomar so according to everyone I have the two most difficult to use characters in the game.



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[Fei-YinBETA]

For skill its definately the caeals as how ifyou try to play them as a humar or one of the casts you'll get drowned out and stomped out by the enemies who dare you to try something that that class isnt made for

paitence is the forces

they dont get stronger by lvl thyhave to FIND the stronger spells and some of them dont like being found -Anti, Grantz, Reverser- >_< and the cost of fluids will make you cry and drain your bank

[Interceptor]

I'd say rangers are the easiest to level up. All you need is a strong shotgun. Hitting 5 enemies at once can really speed things up. And a mechgun type for strong single enemies.
And who says androids need resta? My Gush laser steals me 120 hp per hit, I restore my hp in no time!
If you wonna level fast, use a ranger.
Anyway, i find Fomars the hardest to level up when playing single. But online you can use your normal and hard techniques to hit every enemy at least once, same with rangers. Only problem is that you'll miss out on rares alot when playing with hunters...

[Vanango]

I think the hardest in C-mode is Hunewearl.

In general? Fomar, they get so much crap about being a girl.

[s.TiNgEr]

any ranger really. That shoot and dodge stuff can be challenging. But I never said they were hardest to use ^_^

[Rhete]

Hunters: Start great, end up so-so
Forces: Start good, end up good
Rangers: Start off weak, end up godly

Rangers in my opinion require the most patience to level up early on, but the payoff is worth it

[Sham]

In general? Fomar, they get so much crap about being a girl.


Tell me about it. I can't count how many times this line's been pulled on my FOmar. (Even when I'm wearing the most robey-looking costumes with a wizard hat; they see FOmar and have no better insult to throw.)

But what gets me is when the person insulting is some chibi cutesy FOnewearl, or a big-boobed HUnewearl who is probably controlled by a 14-year old boy, calling me the transexual.

[Dan_theUltimate]

Thats very close to the truth.

I voted HUmar, without a mag, they are useless on ult, but their techniques are worse.
The resta is decent though and they can be good with a few types of mag.

And my FOmar is only level 32 but he is badass.
I am on hard caves using a soul eater and a kaladbolg.
What I did, was train an all rounder hunter mag with my HUmar and now my FOmar has it, a level 200 NARAKA (30,100,35,35) it boosts ATA, DEF, and MIND by 70, 60 and 70 respectively and 200 to the ATP. That way, it only took me a few (about 20) grants level 5 to beat DF.
He was easy, I didn't die once.
So anyone dissing FOmar? One day, I'll train him up and he is gonna whipp your two-faced ass.

[Vanango]

I think that racast/caseal is the hardest, then hucaseal/cast. It's hard to hit all enemies at least once on multi without techniques and leveling up, and as any other class if you are tweaking a character you can play as a FO pretty well and one hit room kills easiely.

[ChokingVictim]

first thing i did when i started my fomar...go for the soul eater...start up several mags...a pow mag, and mind mag, and a balanced 4th stage evolution type mind mag... i slummed it offline with the soul eater till level 50 or so...but if you gotta go online...just do support and gi-techs....although you may wanna consider barta over gibarta just b/c gibarta is so damn slow...as least gifoie is the gift that keeps on giving..... you'd be suprised how many forces, even high levels, aren't on top of the s/d/j/z front...just bam bam bam with those rafoies...


although after playing a DC v2 fomarl till 130-something you learn a thing or 2....

[Ghaleon]

i would have to say the racast/racaseal. they are pretty easy at first but when u get to v-hard and ultimate it gets harder to kill the enemies

[rena-ko]

androids are kinda hard to use due to their mate-limitation...
then forces have to remember the tech weakness to every enemy out there - with differences between normal-vhard and ult...

but i think you can get used to everything...

[clance]

Well ive had pso since it came out on the DC and from long experience I dont know wether im good or just lucky, All characters are the same. They all consist of decent tactics, although some are slower than others. I have a level 50-100 RAcast it is easyiest but then again i have a level 20-50 FOmar again easy. In my opinion: long range; its all about running around and if your close range; dodging. Then you wont get hit atall making the game easy.

PS i have to admit though i find HUcast the easyiest as he is fast and powerful.

[CGoodness]

I think its easy to fly through with a HUcast. The only touch part is Falz form 3 on Hard-Ult. It took me like 55 minutes haha

[Bill]

I voted fomar Because they have low hp and Def i have a level 40 FOmar with arounf 65 Def Plus other forces can regain tp FOmars cant.