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Logical2u

07-12-2003, 07:44 AM

I consider myself legit.
Why don't we take items? Because we consider them to be hacked or duped. Like an unsealed J-Sword with 50/80/75/50
But most of the time, we legits play offline. THat way, we keep what we find and dont have to worry about some uber-twinked player stealing it. And even though my main weapon isnt probably duped (A Justy-23ST with 20/0/0/25), doesnt mean that we are dupers just for having good LEGIT weapons. (I am sorry that this didnt make any sense, it happens sometimes.)

ginko990

07-12-2003, 05:15 PM

ugh.....if you trade or use anything (units/armors/shields/mags/weapons) you didnt find or make (make as in make a mag or combine 2 legit items to make something) then you are not legit.

Nall

07-12-2003, 05:46 PM

two points now

1. if a weapon's percents are, say, 100/0/100/100, chances are that it is not hacked. it is most likely a dupe, but not hacked. i have made many excellent percented weapons and i have no clue what about the first thing of hacking. if you see percents like that, it means somebody took the time, like me, to do both east tower and west tower and take the data to the guy who exchanges things for photon drops. thats all you have to do...its that easy and nobody would hack a weapon like that. they would make it better somehow, like 500 percent against every attribute.

2. about trading units, mags, weapons, etc. and one being legit. obviously if Sega and ST didnt want people exchanging items, they wouldn't have made the trade window or you able to drop items. if you trade some good items you found for a good mag, that does not make you unlegit. im sure Sega and ST wanted everybody to be legit, so that means if they wanted everybody to be legit, they see trading mags, units, weapons, items, or whatever does not make you legit.

ShadowJedi

07-12-2003, 06:10 PM

But are you legit if you take FREE super rares and use them?

Nall

07-12-2003, 06:21 PM

yes, as a matter of fact, i would. if i didnt know how to dupe, i would not really care if it means im legit or not. because i have legit chars, it doesnt mean that is somebody just found and excellent weapon in a game i'm in and they cant use it because of they're class, i wouldnt take it. i hate searching for rares. most of the time the rares i DO find are crap like varista and justy and db's saber. before i could dupe, if somebody had offered me a heaven punisher, a good pow/dex mag, and good units, i couldnt have cared less if taking those items would make me unlegit. i didnt care about being legit, but only about being good. if being legit means searching for days and days and days for one weapon, even though many people offered it in a trade with much better percents than you can find, and then once you finall find it, IF you do, you have to level up for days on end JUST to be able to use it, then why on earth would ANYBODY want to be legit.

Tenton

07-12-2003, 08:07 PM

Why do u want to join a legit game if u know there is a chance u will get flame?? I have some duped items too(i know cause they look duped.) but if i want to join a legit game, i will put all my duped items in the bank and use wep i find by myself(i dont have dupe mag^.^), or use one of my total legit char(only use stuff find by myself^.^). Since it is a legit game, most of the players wont lol at u if u dont have a good wep. Its just easier this way, why do something u know would back fire on ur face.

LunarShadowX

07-12-2003, 08:18 PM

On 2003-07-12 15:46, Nall wrote:
two points now

1. if a weapon's percents are, say, 100/0/100/100, chances are that it is not hacked. it is most likely a dupe, but not hacked. i have made many excellent percented weapons and i have no clue what about the first thing of hacking. if you see percents like that, it means somebody took the time, like me, to do both east tower and west tower and take the data to the guy who exchanges things for photon drops. thats all you have to do...its that easy and nobody would hack a weapon like that. they would make it better somehow, like 500 percent against every attribute.

2. about trading units, mags, weapons, etc. and one being legit. obviously if Sega and ST didnt want people exchanging items, they wouldn't have made the trade window or you able to drop items. if you trade some good items you found for a good mag, that does not make you unlegit. im sure Sega and ST wanted everybody to be legit, so that means if they wanted everybody to be legit, they see trading mags, units, weapons, items, or whatever does not make you legit.

First of all, where did you get all the photon drops to up the %'s that much? Oh wait, that's right, they were duped, which is cheating, thus not legit. Secondly, anyone who has the ability to create items is surely not gonna do the quest and use photon drops to get the %'s, they will just make it in a split second. Thirdly, hackers who make a weapon with a % over 100 are likely to get slapped with a ban (plus, it's impossible to go over 127% hacking, or at least that's what it was like in the DC days.)

Next, trading items definitely does make you unlegit unless you are trading with someone you are 100% certain are entirely legit themselves, of which the only possibility that such a situation could occur would be with someone that you know in "real life", and even then it's not guaranteed. How is trading your legit items for good items not being legit you ask? Well, once you receive those non-legit items in return, all of your items are no longer legit, making you no longer legit, at all. Period. Whether or not Sonic Team or Sega intended you to trade has nothing to do at all with legitness.

Nall

07-12-2003, 08:51 PM

i dont quite see how duping is cheating. hacking, yes. hacking is absolutely cheating because hacking totally breaks into the rules of the game. duping on the other hand, is much different. if you shop dupe, you are not breaking any rules of the game, you are not breaking into it at all, but you are just accesing a mistake that Sega and ST overlooked. if they wanted to make sure nothing happened on GC like what happened on DC, they would have looked over the game many many MANY times to make sure people couldnt make use of any mistakes. they must not mind too much that people dupe, otherwise they would police your characters info and make you delete the duped/hacked items.

and why do you legits really care if a weapon is 100% legit? if you recieve a weapon in a trade, and it was a fair trade, that is exactly like a weapon you would find on your own, why would you care if it was duped? there are no advantages or disadvantages to them. they are no better than any other weapon of the same kind. if it has normal percents, not grinded to the max, and just plain, why the hell would you care if somebody has the same exact weapon as you?

and finally, if you dont like some of those dupers who go and take all the exp before you can, why not just join them and get the same amount of exp? since neither Sega nor ST is doing anything about duping, why not just drop your senseless "reasons" of why legit is so good. believe me when i say if you knew how good it feels to have a level one hunter doing 1000+ damage on the first hit, a level one force being able to learn all of the level thirty techniques and level seven anti, and a level one ranger absolutely obliterating enemies from far range with the most powerful guns in the game, you would not be complaining and this, what it seems like, war between "cheaters" and "legits" would not be happening. i have been legit many times. i have also been unlegit. unlegit feels great. my level 42 humar is almost maxed out in atp, and has amazing hp for his level.

just before you say ,"Oh, cheaters suck. They're such noobs!", at least know what it is like to have alot of power and not care how many people have the same exact items and tactics as you.

Tenton

07-12-2003, 09:21 PM

To Nall:
legit people had made up their mind just as u made up urs..let them be just as others let u be. Its pointless to argue now.

Temjin-On

07-12-2003, 09:37 PM

The Legit vs. Dupe war is always gonn be going. I personally dont think that trading makes you unlegit for the simple fact that its not cheating to trade. Duping and hacking arent ment to be done. (though with the bugs in the game, I wonder what the fuck ST is thinking)

LunarShadowX

07-12-2003, 10:13 PM

Let me put it this way. I played Dreamcast PSO, from both sides, both cheater at one point and legit at one point. On XBox PSO, I am currently playing 100% legit, as I have never traded; everything I have, I found.

From my experience in the Dreamcast days, I know that for me, being able to obliterate things at a very low level simply kills the game. One of the main points in the game for legits is the fact that we can set various goals, in fact a large variety of them, and then go and try to complete those goals. With using hacked and duped weapons, one is severely cutting down the number of goals possible for one to pursue. If you have all good weapons, there goes the goal of trying to find them. If you have all level 30 techniques, there goes the point of trying to find them as well. Basically, with hacked and duped items, your only goals are to basically get to level 200. Woo hoo, good luck with that, that's the most lengthy and boring goal of them all.

I can guarantee you that definitely more than half of the cheaters/non-legits in either the XBox or GC version didn't play the Dreamcast version.

I also know that cheating and stuff like that kills the game because of another game I use to play, which was Ragnarok Online. In fact, I was the maker of a rather famous Beta 1 and early Beta 2 "bot" with RO. I know that using the bot I created definitely killed the game (although I definitely had oodles of fun decoding the packets and coding the bot, and no, I'm not being sarcastic, it was fun making it.) Anyways, I have no idea where I'm going with this anymore so I'm just going to stop here. I'm legit because it's my preference, I have my own set of beliefs.

backlash

07-13-2003, 01:45 AM

On 2003-07-12 18:51, Nall wrote:
i dont quite see how duping is cheating. hacking, yes. hacking is absolutely cheating because hacking totally breaks into the rules of the game. duping on the other hand, is much different. if you shop dupe, you are not breaking any rules of the game, you are not breaking into it at all, but you are just accesing a mistake that Sega and ST overlooked.

Exactly.

well... Duping is cheating. But I don't see it as bad as hacking the game, going beyond the rules...

the shop dupe trick is a bug. exploiting a bug. plain and simple. Call it cheating if you will. I can't say it's not cheating, but I don't see it as that bad a thing to do.

just like exploiting a boss' weakness, or trapping a monster and killing it. the monster shouldn't be locked there... but you force him there and kill him so you don't get hurt.

Is that the way the game was intended to work? nope, you just exploited a bug...

Now the severity of exploiting some bugs compared to others...

Vantamiath

07-13-2003, 03:41 AM

On 2003-07-11 22:10, Nall wrote:
i have a question for you legits. does it really make one unlegit to accept good items? if you are offered a ton of great items, why not take them. i for one believe that it is better to be good than to totally suck. and i am sure a lot of people agree with me.

No, I don't.

I would rather "suck" with items I have earned, then be "good" with items I didn't earn and I begged like a street-corner whore to obtain.

backlash

07-13-2003, 04:34 AM

On 2003-07-13 01:41, Vantamiath wrote:
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No, I don't.

I would rather "suck" with items I have earned, then be "good" with items I didn't earn and I begged like a street-corner whore to obtain.

I'd rather play the game. If I have items that suck... I would NOT want to play the game. If I had good items... I would WANT to play the game.

by the way, just a friendly reminder, your in violation of the "rules" of this forum. (read the first sticky thread)

although I'll probably get banned for bringing that up... sad how one side of the room can get away with things like that... but the second the other side says anything remotely similar....

BrokenHope

07-13-2003, 05:00 AM

On 2003-07-12 18:51, Nall wrote:
i dont quite see how duping is cheating. hacking, yes. hacking is absolutely cheating because hacking totally breaks into the rules of the game. duping on the other hand, is much different. if you shop dupe, you are not breaking any rules of the game, you are not breaking into it at all, but you are just accesing a mistake that Sega and ST overlooked. if they wanted to make sure nothing happened on GC like what happened on DC, they would have looked over the game many many MANY times to make sure people couldnt make use of any mistakes. they must not mind too much that people dupe, otherwise they would police your characters info and make you delete the duped/hacked items.

Try reading the TOS, you know that thing you most likely skipped when you first got pso, it tells you that exploiting game glitchs is against the rules.

nintendofreak

07-13-2003, 10:52 AM

On 2003-07-12 20:13, LunarShadowX wrote:
Let me put it this way. I played Dreamcast PSO, from both sides, both cheater at one point and legit at one point. On XBox PSO, I am currently playing 100% legit, as I have never traded; everything I have, I found.

From my experience in the Dreamcast days, I know that for me, being able to obliterate things at a very low level simply kills the game. One of the main points in the game for legits is the fact that we can set various goals, in fact a large variety of them, and then go and try to complete those goals. With using hacked and duped weapons, one is severely cutting down the number of goals possible for one to pursue. If you have all good weapons, there goes the goal of trying to find them. If you have all level 30 techniques, there goes the point of trying to find them as well. Basically, with hacked and duped items, your only goals are to basically get to level 200. Woo hoo, good luck with that, that's the most lengthy and boring goal of them all.

I can guarantee you that definitely more than half of the cheaters/non-legits in either the XBox or GC version didn't play the Dreamcast version.

I also know that cheating and stuff like that kills the game because of another game I use to play, which was Ragnarok Online. In fact, I was the maker of a rather famous Beta 1 and early Beta 2 "bot" with RO. I know that using the bot I created definitely killed the game (although I definitely had oodles of fun decoding the packets and coding the bot, and no, I'm not being sarcastic, it was fun making it.) Anyways, I have no idea where I'm going with this anymore so I'm just going to stop here. I'm legit because it's my preference, I have my own set of beliefs.

TRUST ME ITS WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY MORE FUN THAN U THINK HAVEING EXTREMLY GOOD WEAPONS AT LOW LEVELS AND IF U THINK IT IS BORING JUST DONT DO IT AND KEEP UR FACE OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES BUISNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

backlash

07-13-2003, 03:02 PM

On 2003-07-13 03:00, Broken Hope wrote:

Try reading the TOS, you know that thing you most likely skipped when you first got pso, it tells you that exploiting game glitchs is against the rules.

And you drive EXACTLY at the posted speed limit, never once did you drive a single digit over the limit?

Never once speed through a red light...
Never once cut someone off... (intended or not)
Never once turned when your not supposed too..

if you have EVER done ANY of that or something else while driving... you have violated the RULES of driving. or TOS if you will...

If so, your not a legitimate driver either.

In order to get a driver's licence you must read, understand and OBEY the TOS of the privledge of driving.

BTW: In the TOS in the manual... it says NOTHING about exploiting game glitches... just copying and reverse engineering. Never saw anything when I took it online, except that after 2 months I would be charged $9 a month...

BrokenHope

07-13-2003, 04:20 PM

On 2003-07-13 13:02, backlash wrote:

On 2003-07-13 03:00, Broken Hope wrote:

Try reading the TOS, you know that thing you most likely skipped when you first got pso, it tells you that exploiting game glitchs is against the rules.

And you drive EXACTLY at the posted speed limit, never once did you drive a single digit over the limit?

Never once speed through a red light...
Never once cut someone off... (intended or not)
Never once turned when your not supposed too..

if you have EVER done ANY of that or something else while driving... you have violated the RULES of driving. or TOS if you will...

If so, your not a legitimate driver either.

In order to get a driver's licence you must read, understand and OBEY the TOS of the privledge of driving.

BTW: In the TOS in the manual... it says NOTHING about exploiting game glitches... just copying and reverse engineering. Never saw anything when I took it online, except that after 2 months I would be charged $9 a month...

Taken from the pso website and also shown the very first time you start up pso:

You are prohibited from engaging in the following activities:

Alteration of a PSO character's statistics.

Unauthorized creation of a PSO character.

Alteration of PSO character equipment/item data.

Unauthorized creation of PSO equipment/item data.

Alteration of any of PSO's provided features, storyline, or game contents.

Impersonation of, or misrepresenting your affiliation with, any other person, including without limitation, PSO Customer Support, SEGA, or any employee of SEGA.

Accessing or using any Serial Number, Access Key or Account of another PSO subscriber.

You are also prohibited from:

Creating or distributing (includes rendering distributable) programs and/or data intended to be used for cheating activities to another PSO user or third party.

Taking advantage of any bug discovered in the PSO or PSO Server to gain any advantage, as well as communicating the existence of any such bug, in any form, to another PSO user or third party.

Attempting to intercept, decode, reverse engineer, reverse decompile, reverse assemble or otherwise alter any data or messages sent to or from the PSO Server.

Tenton

07-13-2003, 04:32 PM

On 2003-07-13 14:20, Broken Hope wrote:

On 2003-07-13 13:02, backlash wrote:

On 2003-07-13 03:00, Broken Hope wrote:

Try reading the TOS, you know that thing you most likely skipped when you first got pso, it tells you that exploiting game glitchs is against the rules.

And you drive EXACTLY at the posted speed limit, never once did you drive a single digit over the limit?

Never once speed through a red light...
Never once cut someone off... (intended or not)
Never once turned when your not supposed too..

if you have EVER done ANY of that or something else while driving... you have violated the RULES of driving. or TOS if you will...

If so, your not a legitimate driver either.

In order to get a driver's licence you must read, understand and OBEY the TOS of the privledge of driving.

BTW: In the TOS in the manual... it says NOTHING about exploiting game glitches... just copying and reverse engineering. Never saw anything when I took it online, except that after 2 months I would be charged $9 a month...

Taken from the pso website and also shown the very first time you start up pso:

You are prohibited from engaging in the following activities:

Alteration of a PSO character's statistics.

Unauthorized creation of a PSO character.

Alteration of PSO character equipment/item data.

Unauthorized creation of PSO equipment/item data.

Alteration of any of PSO's provided features, storyline, or game contents.

Impersonation of, or misrepresenting your affiliation with, any other person, including without limitation, PSO Customer Support, SEGA, or any employee of SEGA.

Accessing or using any Serial Number, Access Key or Account of another PSO subscriber.

You are also prohibited from:

Creating or distributing (includes rendering distributable) programs and/or data intended to be used for cheating activities to another PSO user or third party.

Taking advantage of any bug discovered in the PSO or PSO Server to gain any advantage, as well as communicating the existence of any such bug, in any form, to another PSO user or third party.

Attempting to intercept, decode, reverse engineer, reverse decompile, reverse assemble or otherwise alter any data or messages sent to or from the PSO Server.

That is why i dont dupe even after i know how^.^(but i still own dupe items i think) Ya i did click on the "I AGREE" cant change that.

Castoth

07-14-2003, 06:09 AM

I blame society for the massive amount of cheating you see today. No, seriously. Many people here in the US want to do as little work for as much gain as possible, regardless of the consequences as long as they themselves are satisified. If other people have to be tossed aside or victimized to further one's goals, so what? Be it inconsiderate drivers, corrupt politicians, greedy businessmen, control freaks, or outright liers, this country is on the verge of becoming morally bankrupt (or at least so in the eyes of the rest of the world). I'm not saying everyone should be a perfect saint or they fully populate foreign countries but this behavior has become so widespread that it's almost considered 'normal' now. The duping and cheating you see in online games is an extension of this attitude and nothing any of us can say will stop it.

</rant, and 1000th post finally>

As for the topic, I only trade with trustworthy players for low-end items. If I want a Guld Milla, my Whitill had better find one. If I just accepted most super dupes, then half of the appeal of this game would be lost to me. Even then, what's the point of leveling if I'm having to rely on items that were cheated out of the game and against ST's ToS itself?

BonusKun

07-14-2003, 06:56 AM

On 2003-07-14 04:09, Castoth wrote:
I blame society for the massive amount of cheating you see today.

....Uh Sure..........

Skankhair

07-14-2003, 11:03 AM

"this country is on the verge of becoming morally bankrupt (or at least so in the eyes of the rest of the world)."

Many countries that see the US as morally corrupt only see us as such because we don't kill Jews or teach religion in school.

Most countries don't see the US as morally corrupt, they see us as too morally strict.

You think some in Europe cares if someone does something that makes the game more fun for them, but doesn't hurt anyone else? I don't. But in the US, if you have a duped item, even if that duped item makes the game more fun for you, and hurts no one else, you get shit for it.

Some of you legit assholes need to realize that just because cheating would ruin the game for YOU, doesn't mean it ruins the game for everyone. Many people cheat because it makes the game BETTER for them. And many of those peope cheat without it effecting ANYONE in ANY WAY.

PsoFanatic90

07-14-2003, 11:08 PM

my opinion is, if some guy drops super rares im gonna take it. im still newb at this game but ive got me a decent mag 120pow 32 dex kama and i got a few decent weaps like flowens sword and g-assassin sabers but taking an item a guy drops doesnt make you unlegit its not giving you an unfair advantage over the game. personally ive given out dozens of items i found but im not making others unlegit. so thats a stupid comment that the person made.

AUTO_

07-14-2003, 11:20 PM

On 2003-07-14 09:03, Skankhair wrote:
Some of you legit assholes need to realize that just because cheating would ruin the game for YOU, doesn't mean it ruins the game for everyone. Many people cheat because it makes the game BETTER for them. And many of those peope cheat without it effecting ANYONE in ANY WAY.

...

*Takes out a shiny red crayon*

Even if you are having fun--or many others are having fun, it doesn't erase the fact that they/you are engaging in illegal acts.

What you're trying to preach, can be related to a serial killer's plea to the jury. Maybe him and his friends had "fun" murdering people, but that doesn't erase the fact that what they were doing was illegal (ie MEGA COUGH ST contract).

You can argue for hours on end that "bAH! I got corrupted! Fuck ST they never cared for me! BaH!"..or you could even say legits are just as bad--only difference is, they're not in violation of the contract they agreed to at the start of the game.

Wanna be a real REBEL? Quit paying them 9$ a month.

Firocket1690

07-14-2003, 11:41 PM

On 2003-07-12 15:15, ginko990 wrote:
ugh.....if you trade or use anything (units/armors/shields/mags/weapons) you didnt find or make (make as in make a mag or combine 2 legit items to make something) then you are not legit.

not always ...
there is a thing called "legit traders"
not EVERY trader is just swapping dupes, just majority of them....

I on the other hand have a few "good" legits that don't "suck". http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

it IS possible to find "good" weapons. I FOUND my Sealed J
(well, DuH... it's still sealed =P )

anywho...

I HAVE rejected a few freebies that were handed from a friend of mine after corruption.
i.e. 195 pow DC mag
Demo Comet, God/Pow x4 (4 slot frame)

and besides using dupes that are "good" really does mess up the game pretty easily.
I mean, I'm hunting online with a few friends. (VH Ruins)
some HUmar walks in and comes down. (lvl 42)

he rips the level with the ever-so-popular-dupe BKB
30 minutes later, "boss"

damnit, falz isn't supposed to be killed in 5 minutes ...

ChokingVictim

07-15-2003, 12:25 AM

i can firmly say that i've played with plenty of people who played the DC versions who look the other way at duping or hacked items...

a point to be made is that cheating can and does make bad players because as the old saying goes 'to err is human'...my point and i do have one, is that when you spend levels 1-80 as a god, you don't make mistakes... because it's too damn easy.

although i have seen players who are DC vets who are looking for any edge possible... people who have paid their dues and are players who have their proverbial shit together when it comes to group dynamics. we can talk about rules and semantics all we want here, but if you can play without the hacks/dupes and still function fine but simply choose not to, more power to ya... people who have paid their dues in some fashion or another.. i could care less. be a legit, be a dupe fiend... it's a f*cking game here. if as a non-'legit' you trade with 'legits'.. tell them what's up with your stuff if it's in question

the biggest concern with the whole hack/dupe situation is the mass amount of level 100 noobs... yes, you know the type... (i hate to say mostly) kids who have been using hacks ever since they got online and have been rushing through levels and can't play ultimate for s***.... the forces who don't cast shifta/deband the second it runs out and could care less about jellen/zalure.... the humars with the j-swords... the racasts that still run into traps.....

ShadowJedi

07-15-2003, 07:52 AM

I'm getting tired of playing a game online, and a dupe-user joins.
They kill enemies in normal-vhard in 1-3 hits and steal ALL exp and just simply makes it boring to play.
If I myslelf feel like just beating crap up in 1 hit, I'd go OFFLINE and do that.
I'm gonna go to VHard offline now, get level 80, and then go online. Because those dupe-users are irritating newbies.

I challenged on of them to a battle (after D.Falz was beaten in 1 minute....) I AM a HUcast he is a HUmar, he accepted, I chose the rules.

After a 1v1 battle where he just rushed into my traps and died while frozen, he left without a word.
They beat D.Falz in under 1 min on Hard, but can't use resta during a Battle, 'cause they are newbies.

Damn boring.

Eric1987

07-15-2003, 09:20 AM

i would rather gc be legit...it was better but it aint fun to b weak when 95% of the ppl on pso are gonna b godly to u...

Nall

07-15-2003, 10:22 AM

Try reading the TOS, you know that thing you most likely skipped when you first got pso, it tells you that exploiting game glitchs is against the rules.

"I challenged on of them to a battle (after D.Falz was beaten in 1 minute....) I AM a HUcast he is a HUmar, he accepted, I chose the rules.

After a 1v1 battle where he just rushed into my traps and died while frozen, he left without a word.
They beat D.Falz in under 1 min on Hard, but can't use resta during a Battle, 'cause they are newbies."

if expoiting the games glitches is illegal, then why doesnt Sega and ST go in and fix the glitches? the canadine trick is a glitch, and Sega and ST are fine with it.

first of all, it is impossible to beat dark falz in a minute. when you first start, you have to kill the spinny things which take roughly 15-30 seconds, then all the cut scenes between different forms of falz takes about 15 seconds, and falz's third form is invinible for at least 15 seconds so therefore, you cannot beat falz in a minute. secondly, about the battle, even if he were to lay traps, you would be able to see them. you lay freeze traps and he cannot see them. thats the reason you won. you did not win because you are legit or stronger, but because you took advantage of your character class. theres really no pride in using traps to kill somebody.

[ This Message was edited by: Nall on 2003-07-15 08:24 ]

PsoFanatic90

07-15-2003, 03:53 PM

HOW DARE YOU LITTLE BASTARD SAY THAT! IF YOU ACCEPT A 100% LEGIT ITEM FROM SOMEONE IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU UNLEGIT YOU UBERNOOB WET BEHIND THE EARS ******!

Edit: Watch your language.

[ This Message was edited by: RuneLateralus on 2003-07-15 21:20 ]

[ This Message was edited by: PsoFanatic90 on 2003-07-16 19:22 ]

Shimarisu

07-15-2003, 04:41 PM

Haha.

Somebody I know and trust totally did Fake in Yellow to get a nice sword for me, I accepted it and now use it instead of the one I actually found myself, it's just more special. Some little piece of crud in Antares used my admission of this to spend a good 10 minutes saying over and over to me "You are not legit, you suck, I am legit, I hate you.". My reply to him was pretty much worded like your rant, I flipped. I only play with friends and IMO if you trade with people you can trust you are still legit. I wouldn't want an uber rare off any of them though - I spend hours looking for those. I consider myself legit, in fact forget the consider, I KNOW I am legit.

Level 105 FOmar:

Weap of preference: Red Saber (found myself in ult forest, pinkal)/Hildebear head (ditto).

Shield: Secret Gear (found myself, Ult mines - somebody else's game)

Forgot the armor, it's just basic. Mag is alternate lvl 200 red mind Sato, made myself, or purple pow Sato, lvl 161, made myself. Mats are maxxed out from endless Fake in Yellow hunts for real Agito.

My HUne is less customised personally, she uses a Dragon Slayer I was given but it's not a dupe, I was given it by one of my favourite ranting uber legits.
% is crud on it, 0 all the way. If somebody I know gives me a weap it's usually zero % because they kept the good ones.
I'll use it till I find a better one myself. And you can bet your ass I'll look for one, I'd MUCH rather use what I found unless it was a really kind gift (see above).

- Shimarisu

LordNicholas

07-15-2003, 07:25 PM

On 2003-07-15 13:53, PsoFanatic90 wrote:
HOW DARE YOU LITTLE BASTARD SAY THAT! IF YOU ACCEPT A 100% LEGIT ITEM FROM SOMEONE IT DOESNT NOT MAKE YOU UNLEGIT YOU UBERNOOB WET BEHIND THE EARS FAGGOT!

ummmmm... i kno school is out and i sound like a teacher, but... that double negative there... just aint rite... by leavong that duble negative there, u are saying that taking a 100% legit item from someone that it does make u unlegit. i understand wat u ment to say, but fix that mitake or some duper F*k a$$ that knows his english "laws" will use it against u rather than tryin to save u.
and dont think that just because u have power doesnt mean it is hard to give up. i had two t j-swords +50, MKB +80 with amazing yet non hacked %s, and other various powerful items givin to me by a duper. i used to use them because i never new wat dupe ment nor did i kno that they existed. i thought it was an insulting way to say noob (laughs at self) then i found out about them, and saw some1 tryin to make a clan for legits but didnt work out. but wat they said got to me. and the next mornin, i destroyed my legits.
it is almost impossible to find a 100% legit players, unless u are Seon, i myself is not 100% legit, i play as legit as i can. i kno a lot of the legit players will probly call me a " UBERNOOB WET BEHIND THE EARS FAGGOT!" but i realy dont care wut u call me, if i go to vega i expect and accept nonlegit players, if i go to deneb i expect to play and trade with legit players.
u can call me a noob if u want tho i am at lvl 117, because most ppl think players under the age of 20 are noobs, like myself, i am 14.
oh and if u are wonderin y ST doesnt do sumthin abou t the glitches in the game for GC, maybe u dont know much bout video games, they would have to make a major recall on the game for the glitches are in the disk and those disks cannot be changed, and even if they had a non dupin patch on the online game, who says that the dupers couldnt dupe offline then go online and then trade. i kno that dupers are evil and such, but in the instructions it says that they cannot dupe ONLINE they didnt say about offline, (psh like dupers care about that) i kno it sounds like im in favor of dupers by making that statement, but im against them. but some duper would notice that someday to justify themself.
BTW sry for the long post!

Nall

07-15-2003, 09:39 PM

they could infact fix the glitches, just like they did on the xbox version. dupers are not evil or unfair. if they dont directly affect you, then why the hell do you care if they make the game more fun for themselves. Sega and ST wanted people to have fun with this game, so if dupers have fun being better than legits, then so be it. if you dont like it, go get an xbox and play the xbox version where your cant dupe and its more legit than GC.

PsoFanatic90

07-16-2003, 11:47 AM

sorry bout the double neg. i was very pissed at the uber noob that said accepting an item from someone makes you un-legit it does not in anyway. (as long as the item is legit http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[ This Message was edited by: PsoFanatic90 on 2003-07-16 19:26 ]

LordNicholas

07-16-2003, 05:08 PM

On 2003-07-15 19:39, Nall wrote:
dupers are not evil or unfair.

did i ever use the word unfair? i didnt think so.
and just because they have to cheat there way through doesnt make them better players.

BTW the person who edited "F@ggot" from above, y dint u edit bastad too? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif jus askin http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif hehe http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_clown.gif

ChokingVictim

07-16-2003, 07:13 PM

methinks the mods changed the aforementioned 'f-word' because along with the n-word and other ethnic slurs it has a quasi legal 'fighting words hate speech' label to it.. speaking as a bastard i for one take no offense in it... calling someone you don't know a f*gg*t really just shows ones own ignorance... bastard is never used as a slur commonly and is on the same legal level as a-hole or b*tch... f*gg*t is more a n*gg*r type of a slur because while not being aimed at any ethnicity, is aimed at a (usually) legally protected minority...

after all it's only cool when you call your gay friends, yes i do mean real live gay people, 'f*gs' just to be ironic.... and then they get to call you bastard.... see how it all works out!!!!

PsoFanatic90

07-16-2003, 09:25 PM

well fuck you infamouz your a real dumb ass accepting legit items or duped doesnt make yo uunlegit the item is duped but not kacked so its still legit newb.

jediknight007

07-16-2003, 09:34 PM

Sorry, don't want to start another war but I just want to ask what is the difference between duping items and managing to find the same rare like 10 times in one run? You might say someone duped a rare weapon because they have loads of them but then they could just be lucky and managed to find like 5 of them on one run. Everytime you find a rare weapon, isn't the game just basically duping the items which are available on the game but with different percentages?

Please don't shout at me because I still don't exactly understand what is duping and dunno whether to be in favour for it or not. I have only been online for 2 days so far so I have never experienced duping or unlegit items.

[ This Message was edited by: jediknight007 on 2003-07-16 19:36 ]

Nall

07-17-2003, 08:44 AM

did i ever use the word unfair? i didnt think so.
and just because they have to cheat there way through doesnt make them better players.

i have gotten far into the game and up to high levels legitely. its really not that fun having to search for something better than a justy. and i did not say it made the better PLAYERS. they're characters are better than a legit's character. what is all the fuss about dupers? why do you legits despise us so? just get over the fact that somebody will always find glitches in the game and expose them. why do you really care about people cheating. i dont see why you think it is far better and more fun to search endlessley for rares and get so frusterated that you cant find them.

PinkyBloodyArt

07-17-2003, 09:29 AM

I think the problem here is that not everyone defines legit and cheating as the same. We must remember that legit can and is defined different ways. A player may say that he is legit if he has never done anything to break the rules of the game. even if he benfits from other unlegit players, he himself has never broken the rules. ever benfit from someone breaking the law, say buying you something to drink while you were underage? Would you than consider that you are a law breaker? (side note, here in kansas you may not purchase beer if you are under age but you may posses(sp) it and drink. but you can not purchase it for someone underage. I know the laws are messed up.) same thing with bieng legit. some would answer yes while other no. As for cheating, some define it as doing anything the game designers did not intend to be done, while other would say that any exploit, using a glitch or bug to do something the designers did not intend to be done but can be done with out altering the game or the equipment to play the game is just bieng smart. We can all look at card games as an example here. using a combonation of cards to get an easy win that cannot be stoped is exploiting what the designers overlooked, and soon the cards are errated to correct the exploit because no rules were broken ( sorry this is vague but my ccg exp. is with stccg and I doupt many of you played that but the q-bypass trick is an example if you know the game). So you see what I think is legit you may not. or the other way around. I say play the game how you like as long as you do not harm other peoples data. yes theat means if you want be a jerk. It is a roleplaying game. if you want your char to be an ass more power to you, just do not expect me to hang around you for long.

Nall

07-17-2003, 09:44 AM

about your comment on alchohol and underage purchase of alchohol. purchasing alchohol is illegal for underage people. accepting items is not illegal. trading is not illegal. playing with glitches is not illegal. therefore, if you accept items or trade items, you are not becoming unlegit. even if you know somebody very well and they give you or trade you items, there is still no proof that it is "legit". they may say they found it, but they may meen that they found it on the ground of pioneer two in some duping room.