XBox: My thoughts on the patchs and what should really be do

[GJ]

As a Euro PSOX player I'm welcomming these patches

My thery

By taking out the duping bug, ppl that already have the rare items will now not give them up so easily. Meaning the ppl that just want rare items will no longer wish to play PSO online after the trial two months are up. Leaving just the legit players online, also anyone that gets the game after these patches will have to play 100% legit no matter what.

Reason being for this is I beleave most ppl want these dupes and hacked items as quickly as possible while they still have free access online, once they're free time is up, they will just finish the game offline and then get rid of it.

What I think they should really do is after the patch all accounts that are logged online would be wiped clean of all items. This would indeed piss the legits off however, if they were truly legit, it wouldn't be a great loss to them as the rare items would be easily gotten again. Everyone that wasn't legit will have to get the items the 'hard way' like everyone else, and if they don't want to then I ask: Whats the point of buying a game if you are not going to play it fully?

[Toruxxx]

i know how u feel about it i play EUR xbox aswell but there will always be hackers out there hacking weapons you wont get away from it ppl have mod chips and AR so i dun think patches would get rid of em they might do im not sure but i think it more likely they cant

[Obscenity]

On 2003-07-22 03:46, GJ wrote:
As a Euro PSOX player I'm welcomming these patches

My thery

By taking out the duping bug, ppl that already have the rare items will now not give them up so easily. Meaning the ppl that just want rare items will no longer wish to play PSO online after the trial two months are up. Leaving just the legit players online, also anyone that gets the game after these patches will have to play 100% legit no matter what.

Reason being for this is I beleave most ppl want these dupes and hacked items as quickly as possible while they still have free access online, once they're free time is up, they will just finish the game offline and then get rid of it.

What I think they should really do is after the patch all accounts that are logged online would be wiped clean of all items. This would indeed piss the legits off however, if they were truly legit, it wouldn't be a great loss to them as the rare items would be easily gotten again. Everyone that wasn't legit will have to get the items the 'hard way' like everyone else, and if they don't want to then I ask: Whats the point of buying a game if you are not going to play it fully?



And what's the point of releasing a game if you're going to alienate a majority of the people currently paying to play it? Your so-called "solution" would do just that. That would be great if Sega was in the business of catering to people who can only enjoy the game if everyone else plays the way they do, but alas, no. They want to make money.

[GJ]

I dont really think there are a lot of actal hackers out there, you see unlike duping hacking requires a chipped consol, from what i've heard, theres also action reply but i dont think that allows you to dupe or actally hack.

The actal orginal hacked items have only been duped to hell making it seem like these lots of them when they are probly few.

As I said b4 once the power to dupe is gone, ppl will be less likly to give items up

Also in reponce to the post above, yes that way of dealing with it is extream I admit it's highly unlikly thaey would do that, my thery is the logial way. It will take time but getting rid of the bug will seriusly cut down on duping and hacking making more legit players


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[Toruxxx]

as far as i know u can dupe on action replay but u cant hack weapons im not sure if im right on about action replays not being able to hack weapons but i do know u can dupe on it. but it would be good when they realese the dupe patch over in the EUR servers as they have dun in the US

[GJ]

then if the action reply duping is true then in the next update that is sure to be patched

[Toruxxx]

but could they actually patch that as it aint part of the game coz i think u do it on the pc coz u dun do it while ur in the game like the shop duping

[Obscenity]

On 2003-07-22 04:28, GJ wrote:
I dont really think there are a lot of actal hackers out there, you see unlike duping hacking requires a chipped consol, from what i've heard, theres also action reply but i dont think that allows you to dupe or actally hack.

The actal orginal hacked items have only been duped to hell making it seem like these lots of them when they are probly few.

As I said b4 once the power to dupe is gone, ppl will be less likly to give items up

Also in reponce to the post above, yes that way of dealing with it is extream I admit it's highly unlikly thaey would do that, my thery is the logial way. It will take time but getting rid of the bug will seriusly cut down on duping and hacking making more legit players


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Not everyone cares about being "legit". You have fun your way, I'll have fun mine. =)

[GJ]

On 2003-07-22 05:00, Obscenity wrote:

Not everyone cares about being "legit". You have fun your way, I'll have fun mine. =)



Fine, but my point is will you still be willing to pay if you can only get your items thru legit ways?

Many players probly wont pay because online play will no longer give an easy way to get the rare items.

I'm disbuting the fact that everyone should play legit, I'm just saying will they still play if they have to play legit

[Toruxxx]

may i ask what do u call legit do u call legit as in not having hacked % or just dupeing? coz no one knows if stuff is non legit unless they have very high high % and u cant tell if stuff is dupeed or not

[GJ]

the only true way of being legit is to never ever trade items online and never pick up anything thats dropped by other players

[AndyPandy]

if they were truly legit, it wouldn't be a great loss to them as the rare items would be easily gotten again. Everyone that wasn't legit will have to get the items the 'hard way' like everyone else, and if they don't want to then I ask: Whats the point of buying a game if you are not going to play it fully?


WTF are you talking about?.....do you really think thats its easy to find the uber rares in this game. Heh, it takes a considerable amount of time to do, and is all down to pure luck, there is no skill in finding rares. Everyone already knows PSO is about TEAM PLAY, HAVING FUN, not pissing around looking for rares. If I find a rare while im playing, that great. I dont go play this game to find rares, I play it cos its fun to be online with your mates, chatting (XBOX voice comms) playing through the levels as a team.

[Obscenity]

On 2003-07-22 05:23, GJ wrote:

On 2003-07-22 05:00, Obscenity wrote:

Not everyone cares about being "legit". You have fun your way, I'll have fun mine. =)



Fine, but my point is will you still be willing to pay if you can only get your items thru legit ways?

Many players probly wont pay because online play will no longer give an easy way to get the rare items.

I'm disbuting the fact that everyone should play legit, I'm just saying will they still play if they have to play legit



For myself, probably not. The game for me is fun because I have kickass weapons to play with, not because I want to look for kickass weapons. I raised three characters to level 100 on the original DC version, and it was ALL offline. I had enough of the same 4 levels over and over, with the 9 or 10 good rares that I was lucky enough to find.

[GJ]

On 2003-07-22 05:37, AndyPandy wrote:

WTF are you talking about?.....do you really think thats its easy to find the uber rares in this game. Heh, it takes a considerable amount of time to do, and is all down to pure luck, there is no skill in finding rares. Everyone already knows PSO is about TEAM PLAY, HAVING FUN, not pissing around looking for rares. If I find a rare while im playing, that great. I dont go play this game to find rares, I play it cos its fun to be online with your mates, chatting (XBOX voice comms) playing through the levels as a team.



I was speaking in the terms about the quest rares, but anyway not everyone plays PSO for the reasons you just said many just want to get and use those rare items. Those type of ppl will leave PSO leaving the ones who want to have fun and have team play.



On 2003-07-22 05:44, Obscenity wrote:
For myself, probably not. The game for me is fun because I have kickass weapons to play with, not because I want to look for kickass weapons. I raised three characters to level 100 on the original DC version, and it was ALL offline. I had enough of the same 4 levels over and over, with the 9 or 10 good rares that I was lucky enough to find.



Thanks for proving my point

[Malkavian]

In the experience I have from DC and GC the cheaters are the first willing to pay the fee. And many legits keep quitting because all the cheating.

[AndyPandy]

yeah, like you said, I guess if you look at the way the DC went.

[Wufei]

What I think they should really do is after the patch all accounts that are logged online would be wiped clean of all items. This would indeed piss the legits off however, if they were truly legit, it wouldn't be a great loss to them as the rare items would be easily gotten again.
I couldn't disagree with you more. It would be the greatest lost to legitimate players because all of their hours spent to acquire a rare item were just thrown away. The people who use dupes, on the other hand, did virtually nothing to acquire those items (with few exceptions).

By the way, Action Replay is still alive and kicking. I was just playing a game with a kid yesterday, and I offered him money because he was a lower-level force. He said something along the lines of "no thanks, my friend can make me money with Action Replay."

[Murky_Death]

actually ur wrong GJ. the patch doesn't prevent TOTAL duping, only the shop dupe. ppl can still use the hub or whatever the 56k way is. and i don't know about u, but for legit players...the real fun is in finding the best stuff that dupers have and knowing that u got it legit. all legit ppl don't have p.o.s. common items. i have found some really good items in my 153 hours of playing with my lv 115 hucast. i actually go out and look for rares. mostly from rare enemies, to increase my chances. althought i did find a sacred cloth from an el rappy. it's not that easy to find THAT again.

[happyalloy]

I have to agree with Wufei. I would be angry beyond imagination if all of the items I had found legitly were suddenly erased. Many legits that I've seen on these boards say they feel a personality about the weps they've found legitly. Losing them, even if it meant getting rid of dupes (which it wouldn't) would probably not be worth it to many of them.

Side note: glad I'm not on Xbox http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Solidus_Snake]

And from what i hear the GC still suffers from the shop dupe cause of the fact that it cannot recieve patches to correct such things while the xbox can. Ive pretty much learned to accept the fact that its impossible to escape. While i do use many of the obviously duped and hacked items myself like very high percentage weapons i still hunt down those rares. Im proud of my legit Baranz Launcher, Delsaber Combo, and Bringers Rifle