View Full Version : FO's want 100%, not 80% exp.
oeagrus
Aug 12, 2003, 10:56 AM
Okay I've had it...
I'm sure most of you know that when an FO casts RAfoie (or whatever), even if it does zero damage, the FO will still get experience. If you do the finishing hit on an enemy, then you get 100% of the experience.
I'm just tired of all these Al-Rappy-wearing J-Sword-swinging fools who tell me, since I'm JUST a force, that I should just throw some J&Z, then stand back and let them do the killing. Well screw that!
I say, FORCES OF RAGOL, UNITE! Let's show these children who has the real power! Blow everything up! Get that extra 20% experience! We deserve it way more than those lame-o rangers, or worse yet, hunters.
If I could dupe, I'd dupe 100,000 Megid Level 30's and pass 'em out like candy to all my FO pals. Then those fools with their pansy swords would be swinging at empty air after my MegaMegid clears the room in 3 seconds.
Okay, sorry, just had to rant. Anyone agree??
Neverwinter
Aug 12, 2003, 11:01 AM
I TOTALLY agree, annoying HU's and RA's stating that i should just use S/D/J/Z all the time is gettin me mad! Megid is the only tech i DONT have so if i have it i would go on a killing spree! YAY. Then we will all show those hunters and rangers who holds the real power, i mean look they NEED us to cast S/D/J/Z so without us there toast!
Dragon_Knight
Aug 12, 2003, 11:12 AM
Yea its annoying, but you can't count on Megid everytime. Even at level 30 it doesn't always hit.
Still my only beef is with hunters that command you to stand back and cast allmanner of support spells, you may get that 80% exp but THEY get away with the rare. Beleive I've had a friend of mine run off with a sting tip and then sell it later when I didn't have anything for trade.
BARTAmaster
Aug 12, 2003, 12:00 PM
I know how you feel I was exploring with a hunter and he told me to cast shifta or deband so I did but only on myself leaving him to die from a La Deminian.
K9999
Aug 12, 2003, 12:05 PM
shutup all of you bitching FOs. If you JZ them you will kill faster meaning FASTER XP FOR YOURSELF idiots. go play offline if you want full XP you fucking retards
joluh
Aug 12, 2003, 12:05 PM
Yup!!! totally agree!!! Forces own ragol XD
EDIT: maybe hunters x_x
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BARTAmaster
Aug 12, 2003, 12:10 PM
Well what type of character are you (I bet hunter)
K9999
Aug 12, 2003, 12:12 PM
does it matter? If i only played a HU would my insight be invalid? No just stfu and learn to live with it or play episode 2 all the time
OniTatsujin
Aug 12, 2003, 12:16 PM
i play both fo and hu..i dont boss peope around telling fo's to just cast support, screw that, if they want to cast megid, let them, if they want to support..let them, people shouldnt be telling other palyers to support them when people dont want to, and escpeccially when they have a friken j-sword, you dotn need support...
and when i get online and use my fo and some EDIT tells me to -just- support, ill be like "F U" and cast my lv 30 megid liek no tomorrow..it is the palyer of there characters choice to support or kill, its a friken free world(except you pay 8.95 a month http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif ) and people shouldnt boss people around, so all you FO's, when soem j-sword swinging hunter tells you to cast S/D/J/Z tell them to shove there sword up there @$$ and cast megid on the monsters....
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Neo159753123
Aug 12, 2003, 12:16 PM
u Rock man.
hear hear.
I'll join you in your quest to teach those damn Ranger and Hunter their lesson.
Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Atax
Aug 12, 2003, 12:24 PM
Looks like K9999 just showed how little intelligence he/she has....
I agree 100% with OniTatsujin, players have no right to bark orders at FOs.
GuerillaPimp
Aug 12, 2003, 12:32 PM
as a FO' player, im with Oni K999 or whatever his name is, should lay off the caffeine a lil bit...
Reenee
Aug 12, 2003, 12:42 PM
If you want your damn EXP, do what I do and use the right element, not just any spell.
Valleo
Aug 12, 2003, 12:50 PM
And why anyone would just cast J/Z and then stand back is beyond me. I cast J/Z, let everyone get their hits in so that everyone gets EXP, and then I cast at will. Half the time I get the last kill, the other half the hunters or rangers do. I dont nuke cause I try to conserve TP, but theres nothing wrong with taking the kill for yourself as long as your still sharing EXP.
_Sinue_
Aug 12, 2003, 01:05 PM
You guys do realize that with a good J/Z, you will be getting even MORE Exp than the HU's right? Think about it like this. Run into a room and cast those spells as soon as you're able to target. If something spawns in the middle of battle, J/Z it. Get EVERYTHING. Now, while you won't necessarily get the kill bonus.. you'll be getting EXP from every single monster in the room.. whereas the HU will only get the Kill Bonus from monsters he specifically kills. Those monsters half a room away that the other HU is attacking? Yeah, he doesn't get zip from them. You more than make up you "Kill Bonus" by simply targeting everything. The HU gets a dollar while the FO gets 5 Quarters.
Do you understand? Don't complain about gaining EXP.. cause you probably get more than anyone else on your team.
Scejntjynahl
Aug 12, 2003, 01:17 PM
Personally I just like the idea of having others be there, just in case. But ultimately depend on yourself. I always give up the trifluids and difluids I may pick up as a Hucaseal to any force in my group. And rares, if my character obviously can't use it, why keep it? It is all about using your combined strengths to give hell to all monsters (and kill them as quickly as possible http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif )
Dragon_Knight
Aug 12, 2003, 01:18 PM
In all hoensty it really depends on how many are present. Obiously in a team of four you might get the whole "5 quarters" thing but in smaller teams you actually end up losing EXP. And even though you've gotten a piece of every enemey in the room, so has everyone else. In my team people tend to foucs on one or two monsters till they die. So without me doing more then J/Z I lose exp to hunters and rangers. As at least everyone gets 80 per hit and the lucky guy get the 100. That of course is rarely the force unless they are good at timing things.
Dime
Aug 12, 2003, 01:26 PM
FOs are support. Support characters don't get the extra 20%.
DOG21313
Aug 12, 2003, 02:08 PM
I agree with OniTatsujin, nobody should boss FO's around, if I were you I'd just ignore them, cause if any hunters want s/d, they shoud ask nicely before they enter a room, then let forces get in on the action by using techs and such. I'm mainly a HUmar player, but if I ever want S/D, i ask nicely instead of going "Hurry up and S/D!! I'm out! Come ON!!" And I think if you get any of that you should just leave and join a game of sophisticated people instead of staying with the impolite ones... I have a FO, and I think that its no fun to sit back and just S/D every single thing in the room, its funner to get up front, using Rafoie, Rabarta, Razonde, causing serious damage by sending out every tech there is, and once your finished, the only things that are left are your teamates and some items that the enemies droped... Actually, if you haven't tried it, go and use a hailfire of strong techs on the enemies, cause I tried it as a hunter cause it was our first time in Ult Mines, and the regular enemies were seriously hurting us when we attacked normally, so we stocked up on trifluids and used a hailfire of Rafoie on the enemies, it was incredibly fun... ^_^ But for all the forces who just get nagged to constantly S/D everyone, ignore them or go to a different game so you don't have to hear the whining of hunters and rangers who think they cant to anything without S/D... They do it in single mode, why not here? Just ignore them and let them try to survive, they'll do it, even though they think they can't without S/D, and you'll have a whole lotta fun using attack techs like crazy, and have more fun than you ever did just supporting helpless players who can't do anything but nag.
Last_Survivor
Aug 12, 2003, 02:15 PM
I, usually have no problem casting jz in ultimate mode, except when people tell me to do so. Then I stop, and I stop the sd too and then they call me a noob, dirty HUmars!
Zuna
Aug 12, 2003, 02:19 PM
I have both force, hunter and ranger chars but my main is a force, sometimes i really think some ppl are really rude in the game to force, it is like they come and say 's&d" not even with a "please" it is just like an order and we must do it. Of coz I will still cast s & d on this guy but of coz i am not at a happy mood to do that. I just want to state that, HU & RA has so nice ATP (over 2000 maybe) is becoz we cast S&D on you guys!! It is not our obligation to do that but we would like to do that to help our team to kill faster, if you guys can ask more politely!!
Also, Force has his will to do any spell on monsters, I remember once i played in a game and a guy shouted to me that my rafoie made him feeling dizzy.... what I can do? Just cast S&D & J&Z and wait for 10 mins for him to clear the room? I rather choose to have a real nice messy fight, everyong attacks as their will , and clear the room in 1 min, and everyone gains exp.
Why they allow 4 players in a team? coz it is TEAMWORK!! Every class has his special skills, and different classes in a team make it a perfect game and kick the monsters off!! Why bother of how much exp you get , how much exp I get?? Think about fighting DF in Ult Ruins... who will care who make last hit ?? as long as the boss is dead and we gain exp, we are all happy because it is not a easy stage and teamwork is important. Only narrow mind ppl will care how much you gain, how much I gain.
If wanting full exp, yes, why dont play solo then? or just play offline then I would recommand.
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Robbo
Aug 12, 2003, 02:23 PM
I agree just play how you like dont s/d/j/z if you dont want too a high level fo rules the roost in ult and anyway i dont see why a hucast would need it (i have a hu) hes lvl 102 and already has a base atp of 1015 1788 with delsabers buster.I never ask for a fo to do s/d/j/z if he/she wants he/she will.
Here have some http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/coke.gif
Joe-Azlin
Aug 12, 2003, 02:42 PM
Theres a lot of anger in this forum . . . http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif
K9999
Aug 12, 2003, 02:47 PM
If your FO doesn't cast j/z then you sir are a shitty FO
steppenwolf
Aug 12, 2003, 03:06 PM
Did anyone bother to figure out that a force can do both, or are you all just looking for a reason to bitch at each other? I'll take a fighting force anytime I can hold my own without help but help ias appreciated.
Sham
Aug 12, 2003, 03:19 PM
There's a difference between "strategically" shooting a Rafoie at the right time so it kills the monster giving you 100% of the experience, and being a RA-tech happy force asshole who constantly cancels out your damage. The latter is the one that's most disliked.
Dragon_Knight
Aug 12, 2003, 03:19 PM
Help is one thing, That means we J/Z/S&D those who are closest to the fight or need help the most. We also heal other or give them a wake up call when they've dropped dead. That of course means we should also be allowed to wonder around the battle field, get support from our fellow teammates (either when we are some how swamped or just plain out of TP), and occationsaly pick up the rare that gets a cane symbole.
Usually what I notice in games is FO's are ordered to stay back and simply cast J/Z/S/D. In fact a friend had a run in with another player who was critizing him for "wasting tp" on spells like Foie and Megid. If it were grantz, I could see that but the other two are hardly a waste. In either case to do any real fighting he had to beg the guys to stop so he could use those TP refilling guns. Also as you might imagine he never got any of the red boxes or even fluids that fell to the ground. The two casts picked up the fliuds and you never saw them again till they were being sold to the shop lady.
Shattered_weasel
Aug 12, 2003, 03:29 PM
i dont care because i have earned the name of support bitch
Saigan
Aug 12, 2003, 03:51 PM
I dont see how this argument is even happening. I personally play both a FOmar and a HUcaseal both are extremely different and both are unbalanced characters. As I play my FOmar I S&D entering every room just to make sure it NEVER runs out and then J&Z EVERYTHING so we can tear through said room and move on to the next room. If nobody is in need of support I throw out a couple Gi-spells until the fighting's over.
I work as a team with my team and we almost never take a death. HUs are tanks RAs are excellent status ailing characters and FOs wether you like it or not are support
NeiLast
Aug 12, 2003, 03:58 PM
FOs are support. Support characters don't get the extra 20%
Moron.
Its the other way around. Hunters/rangers are the force support....Distracting enemies so the force can cast more often than run.
................
Actually, ALL CLASSES ARE SUPPORT. They all support each other, provided they aren't morons.
In a good team, rares are shared (HU don't hog them, and don't ask require a trade if they don't need the item), S/D/J/Z is cast and maintained by the character with the highest level of it, All deal damage when appropriate, including forces and rangers. Items picked up (perhaps by accident) that are not useful to a class are dropped in the door to the next area (fluids etc). Droids warn of traps, and even carry fluids for when the force needs more juice. The force keeps the droids satisfied with resta/anti.
HU's keep the baddies occupied and away from the rangers and forces, who provide artillery and enemy status effects (rabarta, frozen shooter, etc). HU and RA's carry moon atomizers, androids use traps not just for themselves but to help others, and all players try help share exp.
Photon blasts are chained into 3 or 4 with one of them being M&Y and all players get level 45 or 52 S&D, making a charge through the next 5 minutes of rooms like a wave of PSO enemy destruction.
If you think the above is a fairy tale, I don't want to play with you.
I've played on several good, or GREAT teams and don't need selfish morons. These teams clear out areas faster than any greedy bunch of selfish players have ever dreamed of, and often while completely (or nearly) legit.
EOM
Saigan
Aug 12, 2003, 04:24 PM
Actually, ALL CLASSES ARE SUPPORT. They all support each other, provided they aren't morons.
In a good team, rares are shared (HU don't hog them, and don't ask require a trade if they don't need the item), S/D/J/Z is cast and maintained by the character with the highest level of it, All deal damage when appropriate, including forces and rangers. Items picked up (perhaps by accident) that are not useful to a class are dropped in the door to the next area (fluids etc). Droids warn of traps, and even carry fluids for when the force needs more juice. The force keeps the droids satisfied with resta/anti.
If you think the above is a fairy tale, I don't want to play with you.
I've played on several good, or GREAT teams and don't need selfish morons. These teams clear out areas faster than any greedy bunch of selfish players have ever dreamed of, and often while completely (or nearly) legit.
EOM
Yeah, what he said. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
Elmo
Aug 12, 2003, 05:15 PM
AMEN!!! i hate how all the al-rappy toaters always complain about me a force taking all the exp
FinalHell
Aug 12, 2003, 05:39 PM
Can't we all just get along? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_beer.gif
asukaS
Aug 12, 2003, 07:10 PM
There is no solution to this problem...either way somebody is getting 80% and is gonna be p'd off. I just think that is important that everyone make sure that everyone gets a hit in. And if you notice someone doing 1000+ damage at like lv 20 then you know they are using al rappys, so just leave them.
We'll just have to live with the cheaters until something is done about it, but we dont have to play with them. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
darthsaber9x9
Aug 12, 2003, 07:14 PM
OMG i just typed the longest most awsomeist post eva and went ot preview then IE closed! o the anger. and erm what r al rappy thingys? not the enemy but using them?
MasterJoel
Aug 13, 2003, 02:18 AM
here's my beef with being a FO... when you enter a room, its "S/D PLZ". I'M NOT YOUR DAMNED BITCH! excuse me... i will give you shifta and/or deband if i feel like it! i don't scream at you to take hits for me as a weakling (defense, at least), so don't demand your shifta/deband! i will do s/d, j/z if i feel i should! now leave me alone, and stop demanding it!
as for the 80% exp, go ahead and kill what you want, but i don't think its advantageous for anyone to be an EXP hog... and duped megid 30? please... megid sucks as it is, you don't need to foul it up any more... use something the enemy is weak against, and in ultimate mode, the monsters seem to have a resistance to megid/hell series attacks.
btw, i do do the s/d, and j/z, because without it, i would die... just don't demand it.
bordering
Aug 13, 2003, 04:29 AM
god, scary. the people who play in open games are a hoard of freakishly selfish n00bs, apparently.
on the one hand you have the idiot funboy HU using some hacked up/west towered up j sword and dying every second, and on the other you have the idiot funboy FO who refuses to see logic and denies the team s/d j/z out of some ridiculous impulse of "geetin 100 % of xp durrrrr" or maybe trying to compete in the dmg game with RAs and HUs.
whoever said this is a team game is damn right. it's NOT pvp in main mode. all characters ideally should work together to clear the room asap. how the fuck long does s/d take to cast anyway? like 3 seconds. and with level 30, it lasts for like 4mins or so. that's only hard to do if you're some new mutant breed of stupid. glad i don't drink tap water...
and with regular casting of j/z, you probably ARE getting more sum total than the HUcast who's doing 1000 pts of dmg compared to your 400. why? well, kiddies, gather round: 'CAUSE WHEN YOU'RE CASTING J/Z ON EVERYTHING IN THE ROOM, YOU RECIEVE XP FROM EVERYTHING IN THE ROOM. capice? ...sigh, didn't think so. idiots. that HUcast is only geting xp from things he hits with his weps or with a trap. there's a limited number of traps a bot has (max ever is 20) and it's harder to hit everything in the room as a HU.
...and who the FUCK says to "just cast s/d j/z then go away"? whoever says that is a moron. s/d, j/z take only a minimal time to cast and return maximal results. both in terms of xp you get and in terms of how quickly a room is cleared (thus enabeling you to get more xp total in a shorter time). but you don't have to stop with that. once everything is s/ded j/zed, then you're free to attack however you see fit. unless someone is wounded, then you ought to fucking resta them you impudent little jerk.
lemme say this, as someone who has played all 4 FOs and who is recognized for their FOing skill (both in terms of rock solid support and devastating damage potential): if you don't like playing support, and you have a FO, YOU PICKED THE WRONG DAMN CLASS. do us all a favor and play an android. then come back and bitch about how hard it is for a droid to lock up xp. idiot funboys.
i guess if you're playing legit and can't find anyone to play with beside uber dupe weilding jerks, then i feel bad for you. don't play with them, find some legits who know how to operate as a team. ...but if you're using dupes yourself, then you should expect the lower grade of play that generally comes along with cheaters.
furthermore, yea, if you REALLY want 100% of xp, do us all another favor and play offline by yourself. or, better yet, play online by yourself (especially in ruins, seabed, and tower) and see how well that goes. those area'll learn you the importance of the concept "teamwork". morons.... just fucking morons everywhere. i hope to god this was a troll post. but i know it wasn't. sigh...
Diggerak
Aug 13, 2003, 06:08 AM
Are people realy that bossy about S/D/J/Z online?
with my FOnewel its mostly GIfoie then a few smacks of the hidelbears cane's foie http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif
Firocket1690
Aug 13, 2003, 08:02 AM
well, I'm kinda stuck in between here ... (I use both)
my HUmar's point of view: I don't care if the FO casts or not, I'm not bitchy about s/d, I have a SRed's blades, so I have my own (crappy) s/d, it is his/her option of free will, she wants to cast, YaY! if not, just two swing of the SRed's gives me the same thing ... not as bright and shiny, but it's still a S/D http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
my FOnewearl's point of view:
I have the techs and you don't, you need the techs http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
return that, or ELSE ...
(behold the world of NO SHIFTA AND DEBAND)
*RAcast drops trifluid*
weeeee !!111
*one shot of s/d*
*casts lvl 28 megid in next 8 or so rooms*
ooh, and I also agree with the first guy's post...
free megid techs for all !!!11 http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif seriousely
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oeagrus
Aug 13, 2003, 10:45 AM
Okay,
let's get something straight...
FO's are NOT support. Just because they have the ability to support does not mean that that is their sole function. My original point (which most of you understand, except for that K9 loser and the ever-bitching-bordering) was that I am not content getting 80%. I could care less if Casts can only get experience for the things they physically hit, that's one of many reasons I would never be a CastWuss.
And, yes, I am fully aware that casting J/Z means that I will more than likely get 80% for everything in the room. What I can't stand is being told "that's all I should do". Sorry pal, but I am capable and fully prepared to do more. Much more.
And bordering, by the way, you are really the king of all morons. You played four forces, yet believe they are merely support? Can you even begin to comprehend what kind of fool you are? Probably not. And you say you are recognized as "rock solid support and devestating damage potential"?? Recognized by whom? Only yourself, I'm sure. You seem like every other pedantic punk who believes he's the shiznit and everyone else is a fool. Wake up, child!!
So, in closing, I will (nearly) always S/D/J/Z as should any FO worth their salt. I will always heal those poor pathetic Casts who rely on me for their HP refills. But I won't stop there because if I'm gaming with three other people, then YES, I want 100% of the experience 25% of the time (with 2 others, then 33% of the time / with 1 other then 50%).
Mystil
Aug 13, 2003, 11:00 AM
I don't even pay any attention to the exp. I just support. Screw all that other stuff.
LamerPanda
Aug 13, 2003, 12:59 PM
On 2003-08-12 09:01, Neverwinter wrote:
I TOTALLY agree, annoying HU's and RA's stating that i should just use S/D/J/Z all the time is gettin me mad! Megid is the only tech i DONT have so if i have it i would go on a killing spree! YAY. Then we will all show those hunters and rangers who holds the real power, i mean look they NEED us to cast S/D/J/Z so without us there toast!
...RAs don't. o_o I like S/D/J/Z, but I can do without it since I just hang in the back and shoot things. Besides, so long as you're not an android you can at least cast some support, though not as strong. I usually cast S/D for myself and thank any FOs I'm with if they cast their own or use J/Z. I do get annoyed if they never cast it at all, because then why do they have it? It might not benefit them so much, but I help them out by giving out meseta or fluids, so why don't they help me? I've had FOs that won't even cast Resta at all. Thanks, guys. If you're playing as a FO and you want the most EXP, then use both S/D/J/Z AND attack techs. I promise you, it really works and you'll have happy teammates.
I've played every class. If I'm playing as a FO, then I support people. I don't think players should *demand* support, but it couldn't hurt to help. There's no need to be greedy, you're supposed to work as a team. If they start stealing rares, though, then I start the nukes. Fwoosh.
NeiLast's strategy is pretty good. Read it. Learn it. Use it.
And, yes, I am fully aware that casting J/Z means that I will more than likely get 80% for everything in the room. What I can't stand is being told "that's all I should do". Sorry pal, but I am capable and fully prepared to do more. Much more.
Then do more. I like FOs who do both, if you have teammates that want you solely for support, then don't play with them. If you take all the EXP every time, don't expect people to be happy with you, though. Personally, I couldn't care less - I play to have fun, not to get SUPRAH 1337 LEVELZ.
_Sinue_
Aug 13, 2003, 01:26 PM
LoL, oregeaus, you missed the entire point of her post. Read it again and tell me exactly where she said that FO's are meant strictly for support? Is it just your "FO Pride" that kills your literacy, or did you not learn to read right in school or something?
Playing as a FO means ONE of your (many) responsiblities is the support and functionality of your team. Whatever you do after that is your own buisness. If you want to go nuke happy and try for that 100% exp.. then go for it. To deny support because of some misplaced sence of FO pride is ignorance and selfishness at it's best.
Slicer238
Aug 13, 2003, 01:50 PM
Heres my two cents I'm a ranger RAmar to be exact. I don't play online but I do play mutli offline with my Bro in law. If I played online and a Fo casted shifta on me thats all I would need I would let them get the killing blow on enemies. Unless they were a very high level then I would only let em get half.
AYY-BEE-CEE
Aug 13, 2003, 02:53 PM
As a HUcast who uses close-range combat heavily in online gaming and thus gets attacked often, I am dependant on resta when my health falls low.
The forces posting on here complaining about having to support hunters and rangers, then go play on your own! As has been said, this is a team game, so quit moaning and do your job, then rafoie the boomas until the burns send them to their graves.
As the android who's health supply is limited, here is my wish-list:
- Resta when my health is low...please?
- A shifta/deband cast to assist me in combat (as a legit player, I don't have a T. J-Sword or Double Cannon to whack boomas with, causing 1000 damage)
- Reverser every time I die (yes, I'm terribly greedy, I shouldn't rely on forces to revive me when I'm dead, I'm so selfish, shame on me for asking)
If you do this then I won't have to pester you, but instead you'll get my, and many others' respect and gratitude for helping out and you may get a sense of achievement and worth from helping out. Go on - you know you want to.
...Also, jellen and zalure will get you even more appreciation, as will casting anti when your team mates are suffering from paralysis, shock, confusion etc.
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oeagrus
Aug 14, 2003, 08:43 AM
Geez, Sinuse, perhaps you are the one with the myopia. Read my ENTIRE post, not just random sentences, THEN maybe you'll understand. Okay? Maybe the part where K9 said "FO's ARE SUPPORT" led me to my conclusion. Pretty hard to misinterpret that one, at least for the educated among us. And when you do finally read my ENTIRE post, you'll note that I said that I do fully support my teams with S/D/J/Z, unless they're packing the uber-rares with Al Rappy's, in which case I go Megid happy.
So, how's that GED coming along??
Stricker
Aug 14, 2003, 09:19 AM
Maybe you are playing with a person that dont know how to share exp. Forces are not the only ones who get all the exp by casting a megid. I played with some hunters that like to kill the monsters in a combo and dont let me get exp (im usually a force). So I think that you just should wait until everyone hit them (a shot, J/Z, partisan, no matter how) and then you can do everything you want. As long as all hit them once you all will raise lvls faster.
Shimarisu
Aug 14, 2003, 10:29 AM
My FOmar has had base ATP of 1002 with pow mag and attack power with s/d of nearly 2000 since level 125 or so. I just don't get why people keep saying we're support only.
- Shimarisu (like, if we are support only, we never get in PB combos....)
Stricker
Aug 14, 2003, 10:50 AM
On 2003-08-14 08:29, Shimarisu wrote:
My FOmar has had base ATP of 1002 with pow mag and attack power with s/d of nearly 2000 since level 125 or so. I just don't get why people keep saying we're support only.
- Shimarisu (like, if we are support only, we never get in PB combos....)
I agree. I also have a Fomar (my only male char) and I use a Red saber and a Repeater. He is more hu and ra than a force. lol
bordering
Aug 15, 2003, 12:11 AM
On 2003-08-13 11:26, _Sinue_ wrote:
LoL, oregeaus, you missed the entire point of her post. Read it again and tell me exactly where she said that FO's are meant strictly for support? Is it just your "FO Pride" that kills your literacy, or did you not learn to read right in school or something?
Playing as a FO means ONE of your (many) responsiblities is the support and functionality of your team. Whatever you do after that is your own buisness. If you want to go nuke happy and try for that 100% exp.. then go for it. To deny support because of some misplaced sence of FO pride is ignorance and selfishness at it's best.
at least SOMEONE around here doesn't drink tapwater.
this guy is either
1. a grade A moron who rode the short bus to school as a kid.
2. trolling.
3. a little from column A, a little from column B.
did you happen to read the part where i said, "whoever said that a FO should just sit back after casting s/d and j/z is a moron?" guess not, MORON. as a FO, your primary duty i support. you have level 30 support spells, don'you? why do you have them? just fur some purty numbers in your menu? no, MORON, you have them to use them. your secondary DUTY to to kick ass with techs or weapons. not just stand back and let other people kill things. what kind of MORON would think that keeping up s/d, j/z, resta, etc would preclude them from attacking? you would really have to suck ass at the game to not have the mental capacity to handle both.
i bet you don't have anyone you regularily play with. i do, and quite a few people at that. know what the difference is between you and me? i understand the meaning of teamwork, you're just a selfish idiot funboy that sucks at the game.
Soundboz
Aug 15, 2003, 03:23 AM
are you kidding?! I'm tired when forces clear out the room in two srconds! they're also using dark bridges. And if you ask them to stop exp whoring they curse and threaten you.
whatever...
monkeyfist
Aug 15, 2003, 10:18 AM
just cuz they're a force does not mean they have to be the bitches of hu's and ra's. there is no law anywhere saying forces have to be babysitters. if youre tired of getting your ass whipped by a fo, quit the game. i bought the game, i bought the hl, i can do what i want. fo's kicking all the ass there is to kick is not illegal or cheating. its just being good a the game
STFU
>HU's and RA's
xHIGHONLIFEx
Aug 15, 2003, 12:31 PM
You paid for the game, you paid for the modem, you paid to play online... DO WHAT YOU WANT... Stop complaining and do do what you want....
LamerPanda
Aug 15, 2003, 02:11 PM
Being good at the game is sharing, not getting your teammates ticked off at you.
I like to leave FOs like that alone in mobs of enemies, and when they die I helpfully point out that I don't know Reverser and that I can't afford moons since I gave them all my meseta for trifluids! ^-^ If you don't help your team, don't expect them to help you.
The_Enforcer
Aug 15, 2003, 05:34 PM
Well it depends on the Force really. FOmarls only have enhancement to their Grants power, with the rest of her non-support spells being average, thus indisinguishable from the rest until you get past lv. 20. Meanwhile, all their support spells have double the range of any other class, making them perfect for hanging back and supporting others. FOnewearls are a bit of both, with 1.3x power on the basic attacks and Megid and double effect for Anti/Resta.
On the male end, FOnewms are pure attack monsters, with 1.3x effect for all Ra and Gi spells, which makes it quite easy to kill things with moderate level Gi/Ra spells. FOmar is the hedger that can do both reasonably well, with 1.3x effect for the Gi spells and Grants, while Shifta/Deband gets double effect and range.
So in closing, while none of them are incompetant in any magical area (none of them are going to blow anybody's mind with a weapon), FOmarls are best for support, with FOnewms best for attack, with FOnewearls and FOmars being pretty much average.
Weif
Aug 17, 2003, 12:05 AM
u know....if we just dont care about tp there is no stopping us n_n with grants megid who would mouth off to us!? WE SAVE THIER BUTTS SO MUCH Y SHOULD TAKE THIER CRAP
n_n i leave if they yell n_n
Symbios
Aug 17, 2003, 03:50 PM
Im always a force but im usually the only person getting experience =S maybe the HUs i play with just suck. Oh well, I support you, but whenever anyone pisses me off iI just lead them into a battle game and megid them, call em a noob and leave them for their anger to grow. It feels good to piss off HUs/RAs in battles =D
Kanore
Aug 17, 2003, 08:53 PM
On 2003-08-13 09:00, Silhouette wrote:
I don't even pay any attention to the exp. I just support. Screw all that other stuff.
*claps*
Greatest post from a Force i've seen in my life...
oeagrus
Aug 19, 2003, 11:12 AM
Bordering, such a loser are you.
Maybe if you laid off the morhpine for ten minutes and actually READ my posts, you wouldn't have worked yourself into such a tizzy.
But no, you're so effin full of yourself, and so certain of your posts, that you don't even bother to read what other people post. Nope! Not the great bordering! Just post nasty replies, that's all that really matters, doesn't it, half-wit?
Read the VERY FIRST POST, m'kay? See those black squiggly marks? Well each one stands for a sound, when the sounds are put together, they form words. When the words are put together, they form sentences. When the sentences are put together, they form thoughts. Neat, isn't it? Now you try.
I'm sure I'd waste you in Battle mode, and obviously I won't challenge you to a battle of wits since your are painfully unarmed. So I'll just try to explain it to you in simple sentences, okay?? Here...
Me Force!
Me Kill, go boom.
Me Support, go whoosh.
Me want Kill AND Support.
Okay, can you handle that? Not too many verbs or two syllable words there, so I think you're good to go!
bordering
Aug 19, 2003, 12:12 PM
On 2003-08-12 08:56, oeagrus wrote:
Okay I've had it...
I'm sure most of you know that when an FO casts RAfoie (or whatever), even if it does zero damage, the FO will still get experience. If you do the finishing hit on an enemy, then you get 100% of the experience.
I'm just tired of all these Al-Rappy-wearing J-Sword-swinging fools who tell me, since I'm JUST a force, that I should just throw some J&Z, then stand back and let them do the killing. Well screw that!
I say, FORCES OF RAGOL, UNITE! Let's show these children who has the real power! Blow everything up! Get that extra 20% experience! We deserve it way more than those lame-o rangers, or worse yet, hunters.
If I could dupe, I'd dupe 100,000 Megid Level 30's and pass 'em out like candy to all my FO pals. Then those fools with their pansy swords would be swinging at empty air after my MegaMegid clears the room in 3 seconds.
Okay, sorry, just had to rant. Anyone agree??
here's your first post. in this post, you suggest that having level 30 megid would somehow get you 100% of the experience, which is apparently what you want. this is idiotic because practically nothing in ep I ult is weak to megid. lots of things in ep II ult are, but not everything and even against the things that are, megid, even level 30 megid doesn't work all the time.
you're obviously a newb. that's fine, we were all new once. but biching about something so mind-searingly stupid takes you out of the categorey "newb" [new players] and puts you into the categorey "n00b" [players who suck ass].
all i said is that it's way more effective to get xp by playing support. j/zing a whole room that therefore gets cleared faster by the HUs and RAs that are along with you will get you way more xp in a shorter amount of time than idiotically trying to kill bartles with megid.
this game is a team game. and, in my long experience of playing PSO FOs are not only the easiest class to play (after the initial learning curve/building period), they are also the easiest to level due to the fact that j/z locks up tons of xp for you. you ALSO get full xp from attacking AFTER j/z are cast.
and battle? hahahahahaha. you couldn't touch me. too bad you're on xblocks, otherwise i would happily pwn the shit out of you. (providing you weren't a cheater. i don't play with max stats users or multiequippers in battle.) i could prolly even take you with my HUcast rule one (i have killed FOs before in rule one with my cast). but if it were FO v. FO, you'd be doomed for sure.
funny how you didn't say that you had any regular freinds. there's a REASON for that you know.
really, despite all my venom, i hope you've learned something here. FOs who support first then attack later get more xp in a shorter amount of time than idiot FOs who don't s/d, j/z and rely -solely- in their attack potential. maybe one day you'll learn.
Symbios
Aug 19, 2003, 06:32 PM
uhh actually after thinking for a while, i think 80% isnt much different from 100%. You still get tons of exp anyway, so I dont really see the point of ranting about it =S
oeagrus
Aug 20, 2003, 07:02 AM
I just love it when fools throw out that "noob" word. Gosh, such an insult! How can I ever hope to recover from your rapier wit? Jeez, bordering, every time you open your mouth it just further solidifies the fact that your have no sense of the meaning of words. Where, exactly, did I say I had no real PSO friends, hmmm? Oh, that's right, I never did! You just pulled that out of your behemoth behind to make some false point. I am perpetually swarmed with people wanting to play with me every time I log on.
Reason? Because I am a MELEE FORCE! And just to dispel your entire "noob" rant (which by the way is always the final insult refuge of the intellectually vacant. Maybe you should call me a poopyhead too.) I was on the Gamecube with a level 155 FOmarl until I got my Xbox in April, whereupon I went to the PSOx due to the fact I was tired of typing in all my witty comments.
Now, I have a level 138 HUnewearl, a level 113 FOnewm, and I've remade my Gcube FOmarl, who's now a level 139.
Do I sound like a newbie? Only to you, halfwit.
But back to my original point of being a MELEE FORCE. I've collected several guns with high hit % so that I can use both spells and guns, because that is how I enjoy playing.
But then ass munchers, such as yourself, see a force and spout out some crap about "stand back, cast S/D/J/Z, and I'll do the rest". So, yes, I would get 80% for everything in the room, but I'm greedy and want more. I also want that 100% some of the time, not all of the time, but my fair share of the time. The Megid point was satire, which I'm sure is way beyond your intellectual capacity.
THAT was the point of my original post. See now? No? Yeah, I understand it's hard, halfwit, but try to keep up with me.
bordering
Aug 20, 2003, 11:14 AM
i love it when fools don't understand that "newb" and "n00b" are two very disticnt terms. the former is a descriptor that refers to players who are simply new to the game. the latter is a derogatory term that can be applied to anyone who is an ignoramous regardless of how many xp pts they have.
i find it extrememly funny that you thought that megid would get you 100% of the experience. and that was before you said that you had played FOs to high levels before. now i find it HILARIOUS. you would think that in all that time, you would have learned that megid is almost completely worthless in ult ep I and not 100% ::snicker:: effective in ult ep II.
...so, if you're getting both 100 and 80% of xp, by both j/zing and attacking... then WHY are you ranting about it?
it's also amusing how you criticize my useage of english, seeing as you have made way more grammatical errors than i have. and that your first post, to most people who read it including me, seemed to suggest that you thought that megiding everything and not supporting at all would be the best way to get "durrr 100% of da xp durrrr". not a very good crystalization of thought, was it? nyyyyyope. let me quote it again, you read over it, and tell me where you said that j/zing then attacking melee style is what you want to do to get your "durrr 100% xp".
Okay I've had it...
I'm sure most of you know that when an FO casts RAfoie (or whatever), even if it does zero damage, the FO will still get experience. If you do the finishing hit on an enemy, then you get 100% of the experience.
I'm just tired of all these Al-Rappy-wearing J-Sword-swinging fools who tell me, since I'm JUST a force, that I should just throw some J&Z, then stand back and let them do the killing. Well screw that!
I say, FORCES OF RAGOL, UNITE! Let's show these children who has the real power! Blow everything up! Get that extra 20% experience! We deserve it way more than those lame-o rangers, or worse yet, hunters.
If I could dupe, I'd dupe 100,000 Megid Level 30's and pass 'em out like candy to all my FO pals. Then those fools with their pansy swords would be swinging at empty air after my MegaMegid clears the room in 3 seconds.
Okay, sorry, just had to rant. Anyone agree??
besides, i don't see why you're even still arguing. everyone who thought they had posted contrarily to you did so BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF ENGLISH SKILLS. hahahahaha. if the part about megid WAS satire, then you just don't understand how communicating through the iternet works. you're not brodcasting your lopsided grin and ::wink wink:: to us using the POWER OF YOUR MIND. if you're new to a forum, and people don't know your oh-so-witty sardonic personality, then, without any </sarcasm> markers, people will take you seriously.
so yea... i think we all agree that FOs should support first, then attack when the supporting has been taken care of. MOOT POINT. twit.
EDIT: misplaced quote markers around the funboy's initial vauge, oh-so-stupid first post.
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oeagrus
Aug 20, 2003, 11:48 AM
Bordering (on some degree of intelligence),
stop talking and start reading, PLEASE!!!
1) Where, pinpointed exactly, did I ever say that I was using Megid in episode 1. Oh, and by the way, level 30 Megid does kill quite nicely in ep1 on the Xbox, though it's much more effective in ep2.
2) Neither "noob" or any of those other poser terms you throw around mean anything to me. I may be a noob or n00b or whatever else you feel like calling me, but I couldn't care. You, conversely, are really a pathetic and emasculated little punk who thinks that acting all angry and superior equates to intellect. I'm really sorry you're that dumb. I'm even more sorry you cannot convey your point without your funny little made-up words.
3) My use of the english language is refined and exquisite. Judging from you last post (learn to capitalize and spell, loser) you have the IQ of navel lint.
4) Such an angry little boy you are! My original post is in RANTS which means that at the time I was RANTING, i.e., letting off a little steam. You have absolutely no concept of what I was trying to say, and THAT'S why you failed to understand. Go back to school or keep flipping those burgers... it's honestly where you belong.
5) Why do I even care? You're the same type of ass licker as K9999. I try, ever so gently, to get you to understand that I was making the point that "Forces are capable of much more than S/D/J/Z, so let 'em do what they want." Which, oddly enough, you agree with! But you don't shut up, you go on some pseudo-intellectual rampage. Well, rage on my virgin friend, because teenagers are supposed to be angry and misdirected.
6) No, everyone understood that I was serious about wanting my share of the 100%, and being tongue-in-cheek when I spoke of the Megid rampage. You're the only one who didn't get it. The only one. The one person. All alone. So alone. Even your mom hates you (See? Now that's also considered levity, which will most likely go straight over your head).
7) Now go away before I unleash the hounds against you and STOP REPLYING to my posts unless you really enjoy getting you ass handed to you, figuratively of course.
xHIGHONLIFEx
Aug 20, 2003, 11:53 AM
I see another Sham vs. Shimisaru type post here....
bordering
Aug 20, 2003, 12:09 PM
my lack of capitalization is a sylistic choice which is fully encompassed by the english rules of grammar when writing informally (bell hooks, e.e. cummings are famous people who have employed it). is PSOW a term paper? i think not.
and when i talk about grammar, i'm most concerned with SYNTAX (sentence structure), not ORTHOGRAPY (spelling). syntax reflects one's actual living understanding of the language, which should be active at all times subconciously. orthography is manily an exertion of memory, and i don't comb over my posts to weed out all of the tiny spelling errors, since you know this is informal writing. sytax errors are far more glaring examples of someone's ignorance than are spelling mistakes. in any case, i just try to make sure that they make sense and that i get my point accross. unlike you.
and i'm the only one huh that misconstrued your inital post, eh? DID YOU BOTHER TO READ THE TOPIC? no, obviously you didn't. or you did, but you didn't comprehend it. here's a few other posts from people who didn't have your sarcasm beamed directly into their brains:
On 2003-08-12 11:05, _Sinue_ wrote:
You guys do realize that with a good J/Z, you will be getting even MORE Exp than the HU's right? Think about it like this. Run into a room and cast those spells as soon as you're able to target. If something spawns in the middle of battle, J/Z it. Get EVERYTHING. Now, while you won't necessarily get the kill bonus.. you'll be getting EXP from every single monster in the room.. whereas the HU will only get the Kill Bonus from monsters he specifically kills. Those monsters half a room away that the other HU is attacking? Yeah, he doesn't get zip from them. You more than make up you "Kill Bonus" by simply targeting everything. The HU gets a dollar while the FO gets 5 Quarters.
Do you understand? Don't complain about gaining EXP.. cause you probably get more than anyone else on your team.
On 2003-08-13 00:18, MasterJoel wrote:
here's my beef with being a FO... when you enter a room, its "S/D PLZ". I'M NOT YOUR DAMNED BITCH! excuse me... i will give you shifta and/or deband if i feel like it! i don't scream at you to take hits for me as a weakling (defense, at least), so don't demand your shifta/deband! i will do s/d, j/z if i feel i should! now leave me alone, and stop demanding it!
as for the 80% exp, go ahead and kill what you want, but i don't think its advantageous for anyone to be an EXP hog... and duped megid 30? please... megid sucks as it is, you don't need to foul it up any more... use something the enemy is weak against, and in ultimate mode, the monsters seem to have a resistance to megid/hell series attacks.
btw, i do do the s/d, and j/z, because without it, i would die... just don't demand it.
just a couple of examples.
another thing that's funny is your assumptions about who i am. good for you. yet another example of your drooling idiocy. i probably get laid 100x more often than you do.
the bottom line is that i, along with a few other people in the forum, misinterpreted your first post, which was vauge, and coming from someone with 11 posts, seemed likely to be serious. it did sound like you were saying that you wanted to entirely neglect support and go megid happy. which would be extrememly stupid.
you on the other hand, totally didn't understand my first post in which i agreed wholeheartedly with the idea that FOs who j/z then attack get the best xp of any class. sigh, let me go quote myself.
...and who the FUCK says to "just cast s/d j/z then go away"? whoever says that is a moron. s/d, j/z take only a minimal time to cast and return maximal results. both in terms of xp you get and in terms of how quickly a room is cleared (thus enabeling you to get more xp total in a shorter time). but you don't have to stop with that. once everything is s/ded j/zed, then you're free to attack however you see fit. unless someone is wounded, then you ought to fucking resta them you impudent little jerk.
then, AFTER i posted that, you idiotically, displaying how you got a perfect 0 on the SAT reading comprehension section, reply with:
And bordering, by the way, you are really the king of all morons. You played four forces, yet believe they are merely support? Can you even begin to comprehend what kind of fool you are? Probably not. And you say you are recognized as "rock solid support and devestating damage potential"?? Recognized by whom? Only yourself, I'm sure. You seem like every other pedantic punk who believes he's the shiznit and everyone else is a fool. Wake up, child!!
i think that when you start accusing others of lacking reading comprehension skills, you really need to take a long hard look in the mirrior. before it shatters, of course.
Wufei
Aug 20, 2003, 01:04 PM
Forces are meant to be support characters. If you want all the XP for yourself, play offline. When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was sarcasm. Forces have it easy when it comes to EXP.
I'm have a level 141 FOnewm and I keep the team constantly pumped with Shifta and Deband, and I cast Jellen and Zalure on each and every enemy. After casting those (which is the Force's responsibility, hate to break it to you) I throw in some attack techniques.
oeagrus
Aug 20, 2003, 02:09 PM
I'm married, so yes, you probably do get laid 100x times more than I do.
Whatever, bordering, I'm tired of you. And since we fundamentally agree, I'm going to now focus on Wufei, who just said (like K999 did on page 1) Forces are support.
I normally play with people level 125-180, and by the time you J/Z, nearly everything is dead. I judge my J/Z "throwing" by the group I'm playing with. In the Ruins, yes I J/Z just to protect myself, not to support. That's just a by-product. In the Forest, I do neither because it's not only a waste of TP but also a waste of time.
Yet I am a FOmarl, and if ever there was a class that was made to support, it is this one. But I still don't consider what I do as "support." I keep Shifta & Deband on myself continually, and if you happen to be in the area, you'll get it too. When someone new joins or if someone dies & returns, they'll get S/D too, because I'm a wonderful person. When I see robots low on HP, I fill them back up, because I realize that Forces and Casts were made to game together. You non-casts can take care of yourself, and I expect you to heal yourself.
But the J/Z, as I mentioned, is 100% up to me when and where to cast. And if those Al-Rappied, J-Sworded hunters think I'm going to waste my time J/Z'ing when they're doleing out 1500 damage per swing, they're dead wrong. If I'm playing with normal people, with normal weapons, and we're having a hard time or we're in the Ruins, then watch the level 30 J/Z fly!
So, Wufei, I may be capable of support, and it may appear on the surface that I am supporting, but I'm actually just having fun. Don't confuse that with duty.
SpyroDi
Aug 20, 2003, 10:02 PM
Let's cool down a bit,seriously...the topic is starting to burn down.
Well,my opinion on FOrces,they should support when they need to(such as the HUnters seriously sucking),and they should use spells whenever they need to,seriously,everyone is a character,everyone has a right to EXP,and everyone should be a team player.
I think that the FOmar is used best as a HU/FO hybrid during the game,FOmarl as support,FOnewearl and FOnewm as nukers...
This seriously doesn't matter when playing in ultimate unless they are 0% legit.
By the way,anyone ever play a game with 4 FOrces? Very fun I might add,not to mention you don't need to support very often.
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