NEWMAN!?!? what are they!?!?

[joluh]

i must say that they are my fave, those long pointy ears XD and well i just like it, don't know why, besides i'm happy that they called them NEWMAN and not elfs ((EWWWW)) so how did they born or what!?!? i just want to know, any information =) thanks

[Solidus_Snake]

They are a mixture of humans and an unknown race.many think its a mix of humans and musk cats but that has yet to be proven.Their first appearances when they went by the name NUMAN was is Phantasy Star 2 which is something new to more than half of the PSO community i bet. Another numan going by the name Rika. Numans are basically super humans. Whyd did they have to change the race name though doesnt make sense. Numan-Newman...*confused*

BTW they were genetically engineered

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[UltimateEnigma]

Maybe ST really liked the show Seinfield?

[joluh]

mixed with cats!??!?! YAY!!! I LOVE CATS XD, i hear that they grow faster and can live for a lot of years or something like that

Maybe ST really liked the show Seinfield? <<<----- what that supose to mean?!?!? btw i'm watching that show X_X'



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[UltimateEnigma]

Once you watch enough Seinfield all will become clear.

[Bit]

*bangs head against table*

It's Seinfeld not Seinfield. >_>

[joluh]

oh thanks for the info ((sarcasm))

[_Sinue_]

Numans are a mix of Humans and Musk Cats. While it never comes right out and says that in the series, I think it's pretty obvious what they are. The settings and times of each of the stories take place differ wildly from game to game. Numans were a way for Sega to keep the Mayu character in PSO, without actually having to have a cat in the party since that may alienate some fans. You can pretty much tell this is their train of thought since Meiu from PSIII is basically the same as a Numan - Strong Techs, affinity for Claw weps, Agile, and even her name forms a definate connection to the original Mayu. However, she is an android. Androids traditionally never have techs and prefer gun type weapons - only Meiu breaks this stereotype. Not to mention that Numans have the same promenant ears that Musk Cats do.

Square does the same thing with their Moogles, Chocobos, and summons because the settings of their games also differ wildly from title to title. It's for continuity.

Anyhow, Numans were originally created on Motavia shortly before the events of Phantasy Star II. They're designed to be the perfect blend of human intelligence and brawn, with a Musk Cat's Magical affinity and litheness. They are a super soldier of sorts. The first created was Nei - which means "The Human that is not Human". Nei later split into two beings: Nei and NeiFirst. Neifirst was full of anger and rage.. she attacked Nei and destoryed the BioFacility she was created at. The "Good" twin - Nei, wandered aimlessly around until Rolf found her.

Later in the series, you run across another Numan named Rika. Rika was only 1 year old when you met her, although she looked as though she was around 17 or 18 years old because of her accelerated growth rate. She was created in Birth Valley by SEED.. a super computer left over from PSII's time. For the last 1,000 years he had been perfecting the science of creating NUmans.. and the result was Rika.

Numans are created in a lab - not born.

[SungKwon]

I like Newmans cuz of their shortness and cool outfits, in the female's case.

[joluh]

thanks Sinue, that works =) so if two newhan have ***, the female newman can't have a baby!?!?

[_Sinue_]

I don't know. The issue has never come up before really. One could assume they have fully functional reproductive organs seeing as how Rika and Chaz get together at the end of PSIV and live "Happily ever after" - which is a long time to go without getting any nookie.

Traditionally though, they've always been artifically created rather than born.

[Master_of_Dragons]

whoah in a lab weird

[UltimateEnigma]

Sorry Bit I swear to god i knew that i just typoed http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif


I love that show...lol

[joluh]

well in my world they can have kids XD

[Slicer238]

I agree with you fully they can have kids. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Master_of_Dragons]

they were altered too much to the point they cant have *** ever. well i dont really know.

[Garanz2]

whats a musk cat?

[Dragon_Ash]

Yeah they can have lil Hune's but where are the male versions?

[Master_of_Dragons]

i am guessing HUmars are adding more to the altered gene pool

[Valleo]

The common consensus is that following Rika's introduction into mainstream society at the end of PS4, Newmans are now born as well as created in labs, sort of a work in progress. You couldnt have a complete race of people without some reproduction. Nei actually means "power" in the PS games, and a lot of the uber weapons are called NEI something (like NEI SHOT). In PS2 Neifirst was created by mother brain, Nei split from her and 7 months later fought her with Rolf and his party. Bolth Newmans died. Later on Rika was created by SEED, but she actually survived. Oh and if you want to know what a Musk cat is, look up PS1.

[_Sinue_]

Actually, I tend to think of Newmans in PSO comming from a post PSII society. Society went on for quite some time durring and after the Great Collapse.. and I find it hard to believe that they would just sit by and watch themselves being destoryed without lifting a finger to save themselves. Most likely, I think they investigated the BioSystems labs and discovered the research for Nei/Neifirst.. and used them to help replenish the dwindling population due to low birthrates. SUE tells you that a Newmans lifespan in indefinate.. that she may die tomorrow. And then bags on science and technology for not being the saviour so many people think it is. Sounds to me like whoever created her did a botch job and doesn't know how to fix it. That implies that those who created or, or newmans in general, don't have a full understanding of the process behind it.

If it were Rika who created the NUman race, you'd think she'd know enough about herself and used SEEDs perfected method which took him 1,000 years to complete. Also, I don't like the idea of thinking that after everything they went though.. that Rika might just up and keel over 6 months to 2 year down the line.

Not having a proliferation of Numans in PSIV still works.. because if NUmans are that unstable with their biology then they must need an advanced society with advanced medical practices to maintain them. That society crumbled long ago. Without anyone to create more Numans or to maintain the ones currently living, they would have rapidly gone extinct.

[monkeyfist]

myau was so cool. heehee a talking cat. dont forget Nei from psII was a numan

[Valleo]

Dont forget that the post PS2 society was the equivalent of the dark ages, and that PS4 takes place about 1000 years after PS2. Just given those dates and facts, I would be more inclined to think that prior to Rika, there wasn't a a large number of Newmans roaming around. Heres an link to an interesting theory I tend to think is more or less accurate.

http://www.camineet.net/theories/psonumans.shtml

[_Sinue_]

Not quite. I depends on how you view the events that transpire after the Great Collapse. Most people assume that it was a very sudden event - which in part it was - but I see it as a prolonged event that took place over a large span of time, and is still going on durring PSIV. In fact, given Demi's age of roughly 350 years compaired to Wren's 1,000 years leads me to believe that Motavian society lasted much longer than most would have thought. She never gives you any info on her specific creator, but the only autonomous systems left which are presented to the player which are capable of creating her was SEED and the Defunct DAUGHTER.

Assuming society, in some technological form, survived even well past Demi's creation to 250 years prior to PSIV, that still leaves a quarter of a millenium for society to decline. Look at our world in it's current state.. and then look back at the world 250 years ago. We've advanced our society a helluva lot in that time frame.. so that will give you some idea as to just how much things can change in that time frame. Also remember, it's much easier to destory than to create.. to neglect than to preserve.

[Valleo]

Those are good points, but I still like to think of Newmans as a race rather than a scientific experiment at the time of PSO. Theres simply too many of them. Plus, if they were from post PS2, I would think that there would be at least one other besides Rika by PS4. And yet shes the only one, and she was created by SEED, and not a researcher or scientist in a lab.

On a side note, this is one of the very few times Ive had the opportunity to have an intelligent debate here at PSO World. Thanks for that http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[MAGusZ87]

hmm this may be off topic but _Sinue_'s 1st post mentioned "Motavia", sounds similar to the Prophets of Motav in PSO Ep1&2

[_Sinue_]

I wouldn't really consider them a science experiment.. more like an expansion to the Human race. Much like Androids serve as synthetic humans, Numan serve the same purpose... to replenish a dwindling population and add to the labor pool and economy which is rapidly deteriorating due to the Great Collapse.

Anyhow, this convo will have to end for now unfortunately. I have to go to work, but I'll look up the post again when I get home.

[Valleo]

Okay. mabye science experiment is a bad term... but they were created by Mother Brain, an AI that was put on Motavia with the intent of leading it down the path of ruin. Whereas Androids, I would think were created by humans for exactly the purposes that you describe, the earliest example i can think of being Dr Luveno's Hapsby (though he was probably more a robot than an android). Im not sure who created Wren, but I think it alludes to the fact that he was created by humans.

Im not sure what Mother Brain intended Neifirst to accomplish when she created her, but Im pretty sure it wasnt to be an expansion to the Human race. Mother Brain also created Biomonsters to terrorise the people of Motavia, and if im not mistaken, that is precisely what everyone is Paseo thought Nei was when they first saw her.

I see your point, how people might want to use the Newman technology to help during the years of the Great Collapse, but its my opinion that the Great Collapse was just as much a product of the people's unwillingness to use any technology remotely assosiated with Mother Brain and the Earthmen, and not solely due to Mother Brains destruction. After having Palma destroyed and realising that the technology you had relied on, and in fact had become completely dependant on to run your life, was responsible for the monsters that plagued you, and responsible for trying to annihilate your entire race, I dont think you would be running to "plug it back in" or take up its work in bio-engineering where it left off. In fact I think people were completely turned off by alot of new technology after PS2 for a good long while.

Anyways, its all good conjecture, but its kind of hard to prove anything what with little we know about the history between games.



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[Genoa]

I didn't read all the posts here so if its already up there then ignore this but isn't a newman a human mixed the dna cels of a monster? I mean it says something like that on Phantasy Star 2 (nei)?

[joluh]

i think that on PSO episode 1&2 they are a race more than an experiment

[darthsaber9x9]

doesnt sue say or sum other newman that a newman has an indefinite life span? a newman could die any day! the phrase live each day as if its ur last finally comes to fruition!

[EvilNixon666]

This is by far one of the most interesting topics I've seen on the PSO world forums.

I played PS1 for the master system, but I was un-aware of the vast majority of the numan information everyone has posted.

[darthsaber9x9]

same here.

[Monomate]

ah...about that thing between doc montague and sue being newmans and dying any day etc...(from that link in case you have no clue what i'm talking about). Doc Montague to me, seems like a nut. He doesn't really seem too...connected with reality, he really just seems to want to accomplish things, perhaps this need for accomplishment, and general doing of good (stopping WORKS, etc...) is because he knows his time is limited and he wants to do what he can before he's gone.

Well...it seems like that to me...

I never played any PS game other than PSO, but ever since i've known enough about the game to make conjectures and such i've always figured that Newmans were at one time, genetically engineered 'super-humans' who, after enough of them were created, eventually became their own seperate species and carried on their species on their own without help from genetic experiments. Perhaps eventually, the knowledge required for Newman creation was lost, and someone attempted to bring them back, and created Sue, an essentially flawed creation because of incomplete knowledge, and lost techniques during her creation...

of course...this is all conjecture...

[joluh]

Well since newmans supose to have musk cat's cells on their body, and the fact that they look like 18 years old when they are only like 1-2 years old, they will have a shortest life of course, like cats you know, and like i said, on PSO ep 1&2 there are like many newmans, so i think they become a race now, of course i haven't played any other phantasy star games so...

((anyway in my PSO world my newman characters are half newman and half human, human father, newman mother, so they grow like a normal human, but they have the abbilities of a newman, so they rock and they can live the same years as we can ^.~, if anyone want to do some kind of newmans like this, lets do something, would be interesting... at least for me XD))

about Montague i think he doesn't care about when will he fall death cause probabbly he's an advanced kind of newman and can live like humans

[_Sinue_]

I wouldn't say Montegue is a nut.. but he is pretty ecentric. Mike Ripplinger (the guy who created that theory) doesn't believe that the lifespan of NUmans is limited - or else Montegue would be trying to search for a cure or correction to the problem. That's not necessarilly true. The solution to the problem could very well be within his understanding, but outside of his grasp. And besides.. any advances he makes would probably not affect him as he had already been created with the fatal error. They'd simply serve to benefit future generations. While he's not an evil or selfish numan by any means, I've never seen him exhibit any air of outward philanthrapy either. Perhaps he's even chosen to accept his fate and face it with dignity? Regardless, I see Elenor and Ult more as his "babies" than just mere projects. They're a way for him to continue his legacy and be remembered in future generations for his achievements with android technology. That's my take on it anyhow.

As for NUmans being created by Mother Brain - that's never brought up in the game. We really don't know if it was Mother Brain, Earthlings, or even Motavian Biologists who created Nei. My guess would be that it was the Earthlings experimenting with intelligent and controlable Biomonsters which they would later use to assemble an army (since their numbers were few) and take over Motavia. Wren was created by Humans though, as far as I know. What his original purpose was is unclear, but when Mother Brain was destoryed, he and SEED took over control of the basic enviromental systems to keep Motavia's climate stable. Demi was created much later. Another back-up system was also created shortly before Mother Brain's destruction. This unit was called "Daughter", and is basically a underpowered clone of MotherBrain. You awaken, and must destory her, in one of the Hunter's Guild quests in PS4. As for Hapsby.. I don't think he was the first android - as RoboCops patrol the roadways to and from Camineet.

On to the Biomonsters, Mother Brain actually had nothing to do with it. It sounds like a nice plan, to weaken the people by pamering them for hundreds of years and then sic Biomonsters on them.. but that's not what happened. If you get the Recorder from the Biosystems lab, and listen to it's analysis you find that the reason for the Biomonster outbreaks was because of Powerspikes messing with the computers. You then have to access all of the dams and investigate what cause the powerspikes. In one of those dams, is where you fight NeiFirst. She explains there that SHE was the one that caused the power spikes - and caused the labs to release Biomonsters as a sort of twisted revenge for being created and experimented on.

As for the Great Collapse - it wasn't a choice the people made. In the opening credits to PSIV it tells you specifically that climate changes and impacts from the debris that was left in the wake of Palmas destruction caused the Great Collapse. 90% of the population died and the great technological civilization was LOST - not given up willingly. Personally, if our Human race right now were to face a similar situation where their technology was destorying them, I couldn't see us just giving up. We'd use the technology available to us to try to fix the problem and create NEW technologies which are more Earthling friendly.. and remember not to make the same mistake twice. In fact, this is even brough up in the game as Earthlings did destory themselves using their own technology - and rather than just give it up, they simply used it to move on to a new planet for them to inhabit.

You are right though.. what happened between the games is pretty much pure speculation, using only scant reference points to try to make connections and perhaps fill in the rest of the picture. My theories have no more or less validity than anyone elses.. it's just how I see things having gone down in a way that makes sence.

Also, for clarification to those who haven't played the previous PS games. Humans is a broad term. Earthlings and Palmans are physiologically identical to each other, so they are both classified as Humans. Earthlings, of course, denotes Humans from Earth. You can't really call Palmans anything as they have no home planet after PSII, and have settled on three of the four planets in Algo (as well as some outside of the Algo Solar system). You can't call the ones from Motavia, Motavians - as there's already a race of Blue Owl/Bear looking creatures living there called Motavians. Same as Dezolians - these are tall promenant green men who originated from Dezolis, so you can't call Dezolias humans Dezolians either. Usually when someone says "Human" in PS terms - it means Palmans.

Also - to whomever said that Motavia sounds like "Prophets of Motav" - you're right. Motav stands for Motavia, and if you look at the book you'll see the Esper Seal of three circles aligned in a ring on it. Each small circle represents a planet, while the large circle/ring represents the Seal which binds the Profound Darkness.

[_Sinue_]

Actually Joluh, Musk Cats as a race can live extreemely long periods of time. Mayu made his first apperance in Phantasy Star 1.. and you see him again alive and well in Phantasy Star IV - over 2,000 years later. He's much bigger than the other Musk Cats, and has a permenant set of wings which I assume is a natural feature to older Musk Cats. Laerma Nuts must just have a temporary effect on them similar to what happens when they age.

Feed a Musk Cat a Laerma Nut, and he'll grow into a giant Lion/Panther type beast with angel wings. That's how your party gets to Lassic's Air Castle in PS1... they fly on Mayu's back. Wonder what would happen if you fed a HUnewearl a Laerma nut?

http://www.phantasy-star.net/art/screenshots/psi/myau3.gif

http://www.phantasy-star.net/art/screenshots/psiv/oldman.gif

[joluh]

Well my FOnewm can live as long as a Human but a little bit more, lets say like 200-300 years ((did i say a little bit more x_X)) not like 1000 or more, so that's how my FOnewm is in my world, maybe others will come as the same way as him

((thinks about feeding one of those things to a FOnewearl...)) HAAHAHAHAHAHHAHA... x_X'

[OnnaWren]

Jumping in with my two mesetas' worth...

As for Numans and crossbreeding, it is little-known, but still canon, as this info appears in the infamous "PS Compendium", that post-PSIV, Rika and Chaz had a son, Lui.

Lui looked (and dressed) very much like his father, Chaz Ashley, save for his pointed ears.

Rika wound up raising him alone, though, after Chaz was killed during a Hunters' Guild mission...

I'll look for the pictures to back this info up with, for I know that they are out there.

[DolmolmKing]

I heard that Newmans are part human and part biomonster

[Pastullio]

I would just like to make a comment about Newmans indefinite life span. Humans don't even know if they will die in a few hours. So you have to ask yourself, is she saying that they have an indefinite life span, or is she talking about the uncertany or the future?

[jediknight007]

So if they have a bit of cat in them, why don't they have 9 lives? Would really help you from losing all that valuable Meseta you have picked up on a run or saved your ass whilst fighting Dark Falz.

[Symbios]

I think newmans started in PS2 with Nei, where Nei was a result of mixing human cells with a bio-monster (hurrah for my gameboy advance)and she was a outcast from society. So maybe thats the home world you must evacuate in PSO? =S Oh, and Nei dies, so uh....have no clue why they just became a complete race.

[joluh]

because humans created too many newmans, and they become better and now they are a new race and they rule ^.^ hehehehe

[Razor_Burn]

On 2003-08-17 09:47, jediknight007 wrote:
So if they have a bit of cat in them, why don't they have 9 lives? Would really help you from losing all that valuable Meseta you have picked up on a run or saved your ass whilst fighting Dark Falz.



That's only a myth people made up. Cats only have one life. I've seen a cat become roadkill once & it never got up after getting hit by the truck. But yeah, having nine lives would be nice thing to have but can you imagine how much that would screw the game up?

[Gekiganger3]

while im not sure wut exatly wuts going on the forums i must say thats fonewms r my favorite char alota depth to em and they r the must weird and messed up char there is so id have to say hes the funniest char to b and the best there is!!!

[joluh]

On 2003-08-17 19:46, Gekiganger3 wrote:
while im not sure wut exatly wuts going on the forums i must say thats fonewms r my favorite char alota depth to em and they r the must weird and messed up char there is so id have to say hes the funniest char to b and the best there is!!!



We are talking about how did the Newmans came onto the world, you should read it ^.~

btw agree with you, 100% XD

[BablerMouth]

a chaos sorceror came in love with an fomarl ( prehap rico http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif )

[HUShadow]

o.O Holy crap...and here I thought they were just weird lookin' humans http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Symbios]

Rico is a HUcaseal. Trust me.

[Kent]

You mean HUmarl.

[Symbios]

On 2003-08-18 00:13, Kent wrote:
You mean HUmarl.



O_O how the hell did you get a HUmarl? I wonder...

No, it has been proven that she is a human, and that she is an android if you try to maake her in character creation thingy. Shes either HUcaseal or RAcaseal. Which one?

[Viperdude472]

they are humans and cyborgs mixted together they are coyborg made and added human parts the first newman was nie who was turned into that one in ps3 but basicly they are magicly enhanced cyborg human

[Symbios]

On 2003-08-18 12:13, Viperdude472 wrote:
they are humans and cyborgs mixted together they are coyborg made and added human parts the first newman was nie who was turned into that one in ps3 but basicly they are magicly enhanced cyborg human



....please add punctuations. please.
If ur saying what I think you are, I believe that you are wrong. Newmans have no machine parts whatsoever on them, they are humans crossed with some bio-monster. It talk about it at the start of ps2.

[OnnaWren]

I think Viperdude472 may have read the issue of EGM that continually refers to Numans as "cyborg chicks" (I believe that it was in reference to PS Collection for the GBA). Really. You'd think that the editors of same rag could at least check for accuracy in their reviews instead of giving in to the lowest common denominator (which, alas, seems to be the case all too often in today's video game magazines- eg rampant use of profanity, crude or sexual references, etc.)...

[joluh]

Newmans are Humans+Musk Cat, and musk cat are some kind of weird looking cat with long ears and can leave for looong years and... well can't you read all the other posts before posting!?!? there's a lot of good info on the first pages

btw would you like to be a Newman!?!?

[Symbios]

As long as I can cast rafoie on people i dont like, Hot diggity =D I would be a newman

[OnnaWren]

http://www.phantasy-star.net/art/compendium/rikaandson.jpg

Apologies for bumping the topic, but I found the picture I've been looking for; behold- Rika, and son Lui!

Renew discussion, please.

[-Saygram-]

Where did that pic come from? It would be interesting if ST continued the PS4 storyline or something. I wonder what a Human+Newman child would be like? Jeez...Chaz and Rika have started some freaky family. Lui might fall in love with a Dezolian O_O; . HUnewmar...dezo lol.

[OnnaWren]

On 2003-08-25 11:56, -Saygram- wrote:
Where did that pic come from? It would be interesting if ST continued the PS4 storyline or something. I wonder what a Human+Newman child would be like? Jeez...Chaz and Rika have started some freaky family.


Actually, that pic is from the (in)famous "PS Compendium". As I understand it, this was the only remaining piece of an "epilogue" that would have come beyond the credits of PSIV. But the ending seemed to stand on its own, so it was left as it is. Oh, and Lui, he is Rika and Chaz's son...

As for Numan/anything else crossbreeding; I'd consider it unlikely. Since the Landale is currently docked at Zelan, travel to Dezoris is highly unlikely. And as for a Numan/Motavian cross, I've always been under the impression that Native Motavians are birds, not mammals... but that's a discussion for another thread.

[_Sinue_]

I tend to classify them as Mammals personally. The only really outstanding birdlike feature on them is a beak, which is not a feature exclusive to Avians. Mammals (Platapus), and Cephalopods (Squid) both have them for example.

Anyhow, thanks for the pic. Good Work. I'm going to save that off to my desktop. From the looks of it, Rika seems to have followed in Chaz's footsteps. She's kinda resembles Alyz from the beginning of PS4. Lui is exactly as I would have a pictured him - a little Chaz with pointy ears.

I still find it hard to believe that Chaz died though - even if that IS the compendium says. I mean.. he fought against the ultimate incarnation of evil - destoryed a GOD - and yet he just dies while on a mission for the Hunter's Guild? Kind of an Anti-Climatic ending to their tale if you ask me. I still prefer to think of them as living happily ever after.

[ramzaman]

that cat theory doesnt really fly with me

i just have a problem believing that my Newman hunter's ancestors were playing with bestiality, i just feel like putting down my controller and washing my hands.

then back to PSO
always.....

[OnnaWren]

_Sinue_ Posted: 2003-08-25 21:37

I tend to classify them as Mammals, personally. The only really outstanding birdlike feature on them is a beak, which is not a feature exclusive to Avians. Mammals (Platypus), and Cephalopods (Squid) both have them, for example.


This is true, but what really kicked the thought into high gear is the fact that there is no discernible way to tell the sexes apart. Usually (especially in anime), when there is a female of another humanoid species, they are usually differentiated from the males by all the typical human characteristics (but most usually just breasts). In Phantasy Star, unless you NEVER see a female Native Motavian before the appearance of Pana (which I quite frankly find hard to believe), it is impossible to tell the sexes apart from simply looking at them.

Besides, it's not such a leap to think that those are feathers, not fur...


I still find it hard to believe that Chaz died, though - even if that IS the compendium says. I mean... he fought against the ultimate incarnation of evil - destroyed a GOD - and yet he just dies while on a mission for the Hunter's Guild? Kind of an Anti-Climatic ending to their tale, if you ask me. I still prefer to think of them as living happily ever after.


But, then again, the ending of PSII wasn't exactly happy, either...


White_Shadow_Swordsman Posted: 2003-08-26 07:56

That cat theory doesn't really fly with me.

I just have a problem believing that my Newman hunter's ancestors were playing with bestiality; I just feel like putting down my controller and washing my hands.


It wasn't bestiality; the technological Golden Age of Algo included such things as DNA splicing.

[_Sinue_]

Yeah, that's true.. the Phantasy Star series has always loved a tragedy. I guess I shouldn't really be surprised that they'd do that.. and hearing that Chaz died will probably please a LOT of Phantasy Star fans, but as I said - I still prefer to think of him and Rika growing old together, even if I know now that it's not the truth.

As for not being able to tell male and female native Motavians apart.. well, that could be chalked up to a few different factors. There's lots of animals in nature that only have subtle differences between the male and female gender. I mean, can you tell weither or not a common house cat is male or female without lifting up it's tail and having a look at it's package? That subtlety is something you can't really go into when you're only dealing with barely a handful of pixels. PS4 gave us the only real close-up look at Motavians, and the only female they showed up close was a child who's features may or may not have developed yet.

[ExoZero]

you could probably find out what a hunumar might look like if you know genetics the xy cromesomes and stuff like that look for xy charts try to draw what it would look like.

[OnnaWren]

HUnewm? Think elf. And no, not like Ernie Keebler, like Adult Link.

Except for the designers at ST, who thought "ogre"...

...or worse, "pelican". http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif