France

[Morfos]

What do you think about France?

I am personaly tired of all the people who hate France and everybody that lives there just because they wouldn't fight Iraq


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[ABDUR101]

..where's the "I don't care" option?

You would'nt find me in Iraq, so I would'nt expect anyone else to go in my place. *shrug* o_O

[LamerPanda]

Yeah, I'm pretty neutral. o_o I'll say I like France and its people though since they've yet to wrong me personally.

[HotWaterDeath]

I love how everybody gets the idea that the general american populace hates the french. That's a load of garbage. The US is still very heavily involved with the french and I don't see that changing anytime soon. From the way some people say it you'd think we placed a trade embargo on France or something...it's freaking ludicrious. I believe all Dischord records material is produced in french factories. That's enough to make any country rock in my book.

[NKOTB]

There is alot more to it then just "not fighting Iraq".

The French Foreign Minister this year said he knew Iraq had WMD's.

France opposed the war for its own economic interests.

France contributes heavily to anti-American rallies across the globe spreading messages like "a war for oil". France was against the war primarily to keep secure it's backdoor oil contracts with Saddam that were in violation of all UN sanctions.

France actively and aggresively engages in a constant US smear and lie campaign. French people take pride in hating Americans.

Personally, I respect honesty and loyalty, not backstabbers and cowards.

[RuneLateralus]

Eh, it is just France. That is all I can say. I don't really care about them that much, nor do I really hate them. It is more just apathey.

[Guile]

The French are cool, that freedom fries thing was fucking stupid.

[saffaya]

The French Foreign Minister this year said he knew Iraq had WMD's.

Hey pal, after all that time spent in Iraq how many WMD have been found ?

louder ! I can't hear you ..

If you were really worried about WMD, you should have headed long ago to North Korea, the last die-hard COMMUNIST regime, who has ATOMIC bombs and readies vector missiles.

But North Korea doesn't have oil to repay an invasion, d'oh.


France opposed the war for its own economic interests.

France wasn't ALONE opposing the idea of invading Iraq. There are other meaningful countries in Europe, Germany for example.
So if you say opposing your Iraq operation is only motivated by economic interests, please enumerate the different countries doing so. Don't make it look personal on us. Thank you.


France contributes heavily to anti-American rallies across the globe spreading messages like "a war for oil". France was against the war primarily to keep secure it's backdoor oil contracts with Saddam that were in violation of all UN sanctions.

I wonder where you dig such load of Bullshit ?
You sound like there was a pipeline from Iraq to France or a chain of tankers shuttling between the two. Like the oil embargo wasn't tightly controled and surveyed by the US armed forces in Koweit including the navy patrolling the area.


France actively and aggresively engages in a constant US smear and lie campaign.

You look like a religious nut.
Or maybe a Boeing representative.


French people take pride in hating Americans.

The French don't hate anybody buddy. NO ONE.
Heck, after all what has happened here
World War I : fighting Germany.
World War II : occupied by Germany. Waffen SS, Gestapo, people sent to concentration camps, entire villages (civilians) slaughtered by german troops, etc ... etc ..
And today, the German-French relations are very strong and good between the two countries.

So, if we cannot hate the germans, tell me how are we to hate anyone ?

And in all countries of the world, hate the Usa ?
This is utterly ridiculous.


Personally, I respect honesty and loyalty, not backstabbers and cowards.

You just forgot that respect is a two-way road.

As to Iraq occupation, my heart aches every time I hear another casualty among Us (or Uk or Au or anyone there) troops there.
I just wish they could get the F..K out of this place ASAP and save themselves.
Leave CIA and that kind of stuff to keep an eye close on the local rulers and rapatriate the soldiers.

[Wewt]

I don't like France because of Arsene Wenger.

[Kadavreski]

i hate the because after a war they paint our deceased heroes graves among other stuff

[DarkWolf]

I don't hate neither France nor it's people, however I disapprove of their attitudes toward what is right.

Saddam and his kids killed upwards of ten thousand people in a single gassing, and there are dozens of mass graves filled with hundreds to thousands of skeletons. Uday would rape and kill women if they wouldn't do as he asked. When the prisons got full, Qusay expelled the entire prison population, slaughtered them all, buried some alive, and demanded retribution from some of the families for the cost of the bullets. People who spoke ill about the Husseins would end up missing only later to resurface with broken bones and scars and burns all over their bodies.

The research teams have found a couple of those mobile weapon creation labs, and they recently captured one of the highest scientists who made the weapons, so perhaps they might learn something from him. However, the French government purchase a considerable amount of oil from Iraq (IIRC even more than the US does), and even despite all these atrocites, the mobile weapons lab, and the capture of so many people, the French govt. refused to help... at least, that is, until restoration came, THEN they wanted the US (who did a good chunk of the hard work, and took a good chunk of the causalities) out and to do nothing, and France would come in and restore Iraq. It's just like the little red hen... "Do you want to help me plant the wheat?" "No, but I'll be happy to take the finished bread from you and eat it myself".

The Israeli-Palestinian ceasefire was initially broken by Palestinian terrorists blowing up a bus. When Israel retaliated by blowing up a Hamas leader, Palestine accused Israel of breaking the ceasefire, and France as well was quick to point the finger at Israel. France seems to expect Israel to bow to Palestine's wishes, and ALLOW themselves to be blown up with no retaliation, and Israel is having a hard time just allowing its citizens to be senselessly killed.(BTW - Anti-semitism and Jewish hate crimes are on the rise in France).

During the French heat wave, upwards of 10,000 people died... do you know where Jacques Chirac was? Canada, where it was nice and cool. Do you want to know why so many died? Many were elderly who were placed in underfunded, uncared for, retirement homes. Many of their rooms didn't even have air conditioning. Others were young children in daycares, which were equally poorly funded without air conditioning.

Now like I said, I don't hate the French or France... but it seems as if they no longer see the concepts of right, wrong, and mercy, but now focus on individualism, having lives of convienence, and what is in their own best interest as individuals instead of everyone as a whole.

[tiltnkirby26]

I really don't care. People don't need to hate them because they don't want to fight in a war. Do you hate your friends because they don't want to go to war? Didn't think so.....

[Dangerous55]

I dont like it, and I didnt like it before 9/11 or the Iraq War.

[Gestiv]

I'm tired of people complaining about France/Hatred towards France. Let the UN handle it. It's not like you're helping anything by posting about France or how much you hate it, so just don't . Please?


I'm getting tired of reading all these anti-France posts...

[Deathscythealpha]

Only thing i really hate about france is its roads and the staff at Disney Land Paris.

*waits in the que for Dineylands McDonalds for about half an hour because its the only place to get a cheap-ish meal, only to be told when he fineally gets to the counter that they are closed and that he has to go to the back of another que which is as long as the original he started off in*

*also nearly got run over several times and had the double decker bus he was travelling in ran of the road cause of bad drivers over there*

*remmbers the scary lorry driver over there driving with his elbows while reading a book!!!!*

Iraq war, france, the USA. I dont really care about any of that, in my opinion i think all the world leaders should be given guns and sort out all their problems between themselves, saves alot of us inocent people getting kille dint he cross fire cause htye cant make up their friggen mind.

[NKOTB]

Saff, there is no point in arguing with you because you turn to personal attacks because the truth hurts. Saying I sound "like a religious nut"? Where the hell does that come from? Or a Boeing rep? If you can't come up with your own arguments, and will just respond with insults, STFU.

-now for your points I remembered-

Ever heard of Cuba? That's called a communist country.
Emphasis is placed on Iraq over N Korea because of the terrorism that comes from that country. One documented example is Saddam paying the families of those who blow up busses in Israel $25,000.
There is a group in this country called ANSWER. Maybe you should read about them and how they are funded.
You cannot deny anything I said, you only countered it with rambling bullcrap.
I never mentioned other countries reasons for opposing the war because this post is about France, not "France and other meaningful Euro countries".
If you would like to respond to my arguments, do so. If you want to play the role of Mr Red Herring, F off.

[Morfos]

Myth: French people are stupid
Fact: France is the most educated country in Europe

Myth: The French are back-stabers
Fact: France nor Iraq attacked the US

Myth: France is stuck-up
Fact: USA is far more arrogant

Myth: The French are Anti-American
Fact: France is anti-Bush along with 40% of Americans

Myth: France is no longer our allie
Fact: France is still our allie

Myth: Socialism doesn't work
Fact: It works in Europe

Myth: Liberals are dumbasses
Fact: France is the most educated country in Europe

Myth: People who oppose Iraq war hate America
Fact: No they don't, look at images below

http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=223145

http://www.evilgopbastards.com/teddybanner.jpg

If 40% of a Country's people are traitors, that would mean there is something seriously wrong with that Country. Saying people who oppose the war are anti-American is a bunch of bullshit.









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[Dangerous55]

On 2003-08-31 13:55, Morfos wrote:
Myth: French people are stupid
Fact: France is the most educated country in Europe

Myth: The French are back-stabers
Fact: France nor Iraq attacked the US

Myth: France is stuck-up
Fact: USA is far more arrogant

Myth: The French are Anti-American
Fact: France is anti-Bush along with 40% of Americans

Myth: France is no longer our allie
Fact: France is still our allie

Myth: Socialism doesn't work
Fact: It works in Europe

Myth: Liberals are dumbasses
Fact: France is the most educated country in Europe

Myth: People who oppose Iraq war hate America
Fact: No they don't, look at images below

http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=223145

http://www.evilgopbastards.com/teddybanner.jpg

If 40% of a Country's people are traitors, that would mean there is something seriously wrong with that Country. Saying people who oppose the war are anti-American is a bunch of bullshit.









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So you have spoken to every person in America and France and know their positions on these things?

I doubt it.



Im sure there are stupid French people.

[saffaya]

Saddam and his kids killed upwards of ten thousand people in a single gassing, (...)

Now, look. You have to think about the future. You Usa have to THINK about the CONSEQUENCES of your actions. Do not stay near-sighted about your own short term interests.

There are two long rivals vying for region dominance in that critical part of the world.
If you neutralize one. You strengthen the other IMMENSELY.
Who is Iraq's rival ?
IRAN.
Who is one of the most extremist islamic regime on earth ?
IRAN
Who attacked the Usa embassy and killed americans ?
IRAN
Who prints counterfeit dollars in state run workshops to lower and discredit the dollar value ?
IRAN
Who finances and organizes TERRORISTS NETWORKS around the globe ?
IRAN is one.

Need I continue ?

Iraq being Iran's nemesis and rival, being also a laic country (not a religious regime), was the good guy against the bad guy during Iran-Iraq wars.
Saddam progressively burnt the amount of goodwill from Western countries as he went on doing atrocious things to some of his own people.

But ... Never forget that Iraq was the only country able to keep Iran's regional ambitions in check.


The research teams have found a couple of those mobile weapon creation labs, and they recently captured one of the highest scientists who made the weapons, so perhaps they might learn something from him. However,

About good damn time. Still not enough to warrant a full scale invasion though.


the French government purchase a considerable amount of oil from Iraq (IIRC even more than the US does),

Could you link me to reliable sources please ?
I don't claim to know otherwise, it's just it seems funny since 75% of our electricity is nuclear in origin.
And as I said, Iraq's exports of oil were extremely limited, controlled and monitored, it couldn't even be sold for money. Only for food and medical supplies.


French govt. refused to help... at least, that is, until restoration came, THEN they wanted the US out and to do nothing, and France would come in and restore Iraq.".

Speak for yourself.
The people of Iraq still had no water or power that you were already imposing the Us-made CDMA system for cell phones.
You're accusing others to make cover for your own actions.


France seems to expect Israel to bow to Palestine's wishes, and ALLOW themselves to be blown up with no retaliation,

Now, before you really get into trouble, SHUT UP ABOUT Palestine and Israel.
You already showed you didn't have much of a clue about geopolitics, do NOT step on this hot subject.

If you really want to understand anything about that part of the world, try to get what retired generals from Israel army have to say.

That's my final word on the subject.


(BTW - Anti-semitism and Jewish hate crimes are on the rise in France).

If you have to go that low on the stupid scale, I'll have you know that we have a whole set of laws to punish even hate speech severly. And they are applied.
We did not invent the KKK. Thank you. Move along.


During the French heat wave, upwards of 10,000 people died...Many were elderly who were placed in underfunded, uncared for, retirement homes. Many of their rooms didn't even have air conditioning. Others were young children in daycares, which were equally poorly funded without air conditioning.

Air Conditionning is a luxury equipment here. You do not need it. It has recently made its way to more and more homes as it can now heat as well as do cold.
Big problem was that the understaffing of hospitals is very accute during summer.


Now like I said, I don't hate the French or France... but it seems as if they no longer see the concepts of right, wrong, and mercy, but now focus on individualism, having lives of convienence, and what is in their own best interest as individuals instead of everyone as a whole.

Now, that tops it all.. have a look at your own country please. (Calif power outage ? Enron ? M$ ? Poverty ? people without real medical care ? etc ..)

I'm not saying we're better than you. You are saying that.

For your information, France has that "country of the humans rights" syndrome and so wants to be the safe harbor of all people in the need. Particularly from former overseas parts of france (Algeria for exemple).
It is clearly a form of arrogance and stupidity, but alas few of us share that thought.
So now, out of sthing like 60 million people, we have 15 million immigrated people that benefit, use and overuse the social/welfare programs, as they have every same right as a french citizen.
No wonder that our health system (among other systems) is getting lower and lower ..

[saffaya]

On 2003-08-31 10:44, NKOTB wrote:
Saff, there is no point in arguing with you because you turn to personal attacks because the truth hurts.
Saying I sound "like a religious nut"? Where the hell does that come from?

I'm sorry but when you spew out such totally inane things, factless accusations and outright lies, I have a hard time not describing your expression as such.

like :
"France actively and aggresively engages in a constant US smear and lie campaign."

May I ask for links to the lies. And to the reliable sites that will show the facts about so-called lies.

Maybe you do not realize that by doing that you were starting the name calling ?


Or a Boeing rep?

Sorry, I was referring to the aviation domain which you may not be familiar with.
Boeing is crying out bloody murder because there is another company on earth that dares to make the same kind of product they do, and so deprives an american company from its god-given right to make money in the whole world.
If you had read internal publications from Boeing, you would clearly see that I'm not even exaggerating in my description.
To keep to the hard facts.
Airbus, a consortium of interests from several EU countries, benefits from 0% interest loans from Europe. Which is perfectly legal.
Boeing is doing everything they can to have the Us interfere and impede Airbus business.

Now, do you know who designed the jumbo 747 airliner ?
Boeing.
But who paid for it ?
NASA.
Which is an administration.
Which means the Us citizens' taxes PAID for it.
NASA then gave all the rights of the aircraft to Boeing to exploit it as they wish.
So to recap : every citizen paid with their tax money
(public funding) so that a Big Corporation could make money and get richer.
Then that Big Corp is yelling bloody murder because their foreign rival gets a loan.

That was to illustrate the point that the reality is that the Us is the one with the ever present campaign of smear and lies.
"If you're not with us, you're against us."
Yeah, right.


If you can't come up with your own arguments, and will just respond with insults, STFU.

I'm sorry, but your assertions are so far from reality they cannot be considered arguments.


-now for your points I remembered-

"remembered" ?? there is a 'quote' button on this forum, it is quite convenient and should deprive you of the easy excuse of dropping subjects you don't wish to answer.


Ever heard of Cuba? That's called a communist country.

Now, you just have completely discredited yourself.
Comparing North Korea's threat level to Cuba's ... ?
Actually you are quite entertaining ^_^, go on.


Emphasis is placed on Iraq over N Korea because of the terrorism that comes from that country. One documented example is Saddam paying the families of those who blow up busses in Israel $25,000.
There is a group in this country called ANSWER. Maybe you should read about them and how they are funded.
You cannot deny anything I said, you only countered it with rambling bullcrap.

oh, wow. blowing up busses is soooooooo much more dangerous than atomic bombs mounted on missiles .. (sarcasm).


I never mentioned other countries reasons for opposing the war because this post is about France, not "France and other meaningful Euro countries".

Not mentionning our partners in the refusal to go to war and making us look like we're the only one is akin to lying by omission.
That is, telling the truth, nothing but the truth, BUT NOT ALL the truth.


If you would like to respond to my arguments, do so.

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot what you effectively said, too bad there isn't a 'quote' button. Oh ? there is ?Wups .. (sarcasm)

[NKOTB]

I'm sorry Mr Red Herring, you have mistaken this thread for one about Boeing vs. Airbus.

Please post in the appropriate area.

You sound like a religoius nut.

[Symbios]

this is quite a touchy subject. I was against the war, it was just pointless bloodshed. Not so much had to be done just because of 9/11. I believe i talked about this in a post titled bush sucks? anyway, this is a debate, I dont think you should keep insulting other people opinions. I think this topic should be locked if this goes on. As i said, this is a touchy subject.

[Wewt]

On 2003-08-31 16:34, saffaya wrote:


During the French heat wave, upwards of 10,000 people died...Many were elderly who were placed in underfunded, uncared for, retirement homes. Many of their rooms didn't even have air conditioning. Others were young children in daycares, which were equally poorly funded without air conditioning.

Air Conditionning is a luxury equipment here. You do not need it. It has recently made its way to more and more homes as it can now heat as well as do cold.
Big problem was that the understaffing of hospitals is very accute during summer.
This, I can relate strongly to here. Air conditioning is a luxury in England, too. It's friggin expensive over here as well. People did die because of the heatwaves, but did anybody really expect the heat to go that high in our region? No. 11,000 people die, and you immediately look for somebody to blame. Just like every other person that reads tabloid newspapers. Please don't pick facts from stories and events that only suit you, and ignore the rest of them. I say that for the things for the other things you've said. The Israeli-Palestine dispute would be the prime example.

[ABDUR101]

Debate all you want, but keep all personal insults out of it, otherwise warnings will be issued. Please keep it civil.

[MasterJoel]

its funny to see how quickly morfos' posts become a flame war.

i didn't read most of it (it would make me more angry than i happen to be at the moment), but i would like to say this. the french are vulgar. they really suck at war. BUT, they have excellent wines. escoffier, the father of the modern kitchen brigade system, was french. he is my idol, or he would be, if he wasn't dead. instead, todd english can be, =P. cream this, butter that, french food is killing me slowly at school. my friend emily is studying in france.

to conclude: i don't hate the native french. well, i may not like them if they were (individually, of course) rude to me or my country. i love france, it is a beautiful country with beautiful food that is clogging my arteries. if i have to eat another terrine or galantine, i will die. thanks for inventing it.

[Inu_Ranma]

I think that this board in general is victim of the human tendancy to make silly generalizations.

Saying 'the French are (insert your adjective here),' for example. The french are a diverse population of people. Rest assured that not every French citizen is against the war in Iraq. This is one of the big flaws of generalizations. They're ALWAYS frickin' wrong! (That one was, too!) If you're going to flame people, at least only flame the guilty. Even then, I can garuntee that there are many, many more people in America who oppose the war than there are even people in France. Just look at California.

[saffaya]

On 2003-08-31 18:28, NKOTB wrote:
I'm sorry Mr Red Herring, you have mistaken this thread for one about Boeing vs. Airbus.

Please post in the appropriate area.

So, is that all you have to say for an answer ?
Fine with me.

The Boeing example was used as a typical case I happen to know well. It was an illustration of a general trend, in case you haven't understood.

Isn't the old saying something like "When I point at the moon, the nitwit looks at my finger" ?

Decribes the situation perfectly.

[saffaya]

On 2003-08-31 20:57, WWWWWWWWWWWW wrote:
11,000 people die, and you immediately look for somebody to blame. Just like every other person that reads tabloid newspapers. Please don't pick facts from stories and events that only suit you, and ignore the rest of them. I say that for the things for the other things you've said. The Israeli-Palestine dispute would be the prime example.

Wise words. I couldn't agree more.

[Primrose]

You guys seem to not open your eyes and look whats going on in other countries of the globe except for the states. The whole world was watching how Bush attacked Iraq, and the world was shocked.
But you two should stop making such personal attacks...

[Allos]

France. We saved their ass in WWII and how do they repay us? French bastards. lol

[pixelate]

I wanna go to France and meet David Sedaris in all his pink-shirt glory.

[Primrose]

On 2003-09-01 14:06, Allos wrote:
France. We saved their ass in WWII and how do they repay us? French bastards. lol



And they saved yours back in 1778-1781 and made you independent.
As for the second world war, an alliance was formed, making you nothing more than a part of the allying forces, its not like you were some kind of saviours.
we all worked together...

[Wewt]

On 2003-09-02 10:12, Primrose wrote:
As for the second world war, an alliance was formed, making you nothing more than a part of the allying forces, its not like you were some kind of saviours.
we all worked together...


Yep. An alliance. There was something called teamwork, great nations worked together to crush the axis powers. It was not one single nation, it was an alliance of them.

[NKOTB]

Let's not try to pretend the French helped us because they wanted to help us. They helped us because they wanted to hurt England.

[Dangerous55]

On 2003-09-02 10:12, Primrose wrote:


And they saved yours back in 1778-1781 and made you independent.
As for the second world war, an alliance was formed, making you nothing more than a part of the allying forces, its not like you were some kind of saviours.
we all worked together...



Eh, we would have won anyway in my opinion,, but you could say the same for the French in WW2.

Also, Germany was doomed to failure when it launched Operation Barbarossa.

[Allos]

This is the second time I was being sarcastic and some moron didn't realize it. Mabye it's my curse.....

[saffaya]

On 2003-09-02 12:21, Dangerous55 wrote:
Eh, we would have won anyway in my opinion,, but you could say the same for the French in WW2.
Also, Germany was doomed to failure when it launched Operation Barbarossa.

Yeah, absolutely, you would surely have won WW2 without Russia ramming into the third reich from the eastern front.
And Germany went as close to Moscow as like 30 km. Only Hitler's personnal decison against all his commanding staff diverted the German army to the Bakou oil fields instead of taking Moscow.
I don't know what utter crap you read as historical references, but you'd better change of them.

[Dangerous55]

On 2003-09-02 15:51, saffaya wrote:

Yeah, absolutely, you would surely have won WW2 without Russia ramming into the third reich from the eastern front.
And Germany went as close to Moscow as like 30 km. Only Hitler's personnal decison against all his commanding staff diverted the German army to the Bakou oil fields instead of taking Moscow.
I don't know what utter crap you read as historical references, but you'd better change of them.




What?

I said once Germany invaded Russia that meant defeat for them.

What in the hell did you think I was saying?

[Allos]

Don't worry D55, people here tend to misread a lot.

[Dangerous55]

On 2003-09-02 16:31, Allos wrote:
Don't worry D55, people here tend to misread a lot.



Yeah, Ive known that for awhile.

Sad...

[Wewt]

On 2003-09-02 12:40, Allos wrote:
This is the second time I was being sarcastic and some moron didn't realize it. Mabye it's my curse.....


You're the moron if you expect everybody to see your sarcasm via TEXT. Also, "French bastards" won't go down well with many of the French.

[Primrose]

Nobodys a moron, but you could have pointed out your sarcasm a little more by i dont know... its hard to see it via text. Just by putting a lol at the end doesnt mean its sarcasm.
Anyways, i think the germans are being quite underestimated, they were quite capable, look at how far they came in the first place.
But its getting quite off topic since were discussing events of the past.
I find it a stupid topic anyway, to make a poll about who hates the french...

[Allos]

Yup, no one hear is a moron.......................................right.

[Primrose]

On 2003-09-03 12:32, Allos wrote:
Yup, no one hear is a moron.......................................right.




Is this another sarcastic insult?

[LollipopLolita]

Everyone quit the insults, the flaming, the flamebaiting. Anyone that makes another stupid remark that is disruptive or offensive after my post receives a warning count.

For once, prove to me that the people of PSOW can converse about something intelligently without resorting to mindless namecalling and the behavior of a 3 yr old.

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[Allos]

Me not 3!

[Intimidacius]

Why does anyone hate France for not helping in the War in Iraq? They are perfectly in the clear. They said they wouldn't help and they didn't. No one can hold that against them, they may even be able to say that they stood for what they thought was best. The reason a lot of people are upset with France is the way they don't help and then expect to recieve any reward for ousting Sadaam. There is a story about a hen who made some bread.... Oh well.

Intimidacius likes the people in France and he likes France the country. He doesn't like how they don't like him. Why is it that France can hate all Americans yet Americans cannot hate France? Intimidacius has been accused of having superiority complexes and such, what about France? Sorry, in order for there to be a global community which can interact on a friendly basis, it takes a little effort from both sides. America cannot be blamed for everything, every country needs to step in and help.

Another reason a lot of Americans are sore at France is the fact that a lot of French conflicts required France to turn to America. Vietnam wasn't started by America; French Indochina, anyone? The World Wars. The US has bailed France out of a lot of trouble, France has yet to return that sort of favor.

Justifiably, a lot of countries have a lot of reasons to hate one another. The hate can continue and lead to conflict or WE can end the hate. WE have to stop expressing hatred and start trying to build something. WE are resoponsible. Not just France, not just America, not just Russia. We all live on this planet, we have to learn to live with eachother. That or we could just play Ping-pong. Now, if only there was a court in which to play.... ARGH! Curses to you Principal!

Does anyone have change for a ten?

[Da__Ad__Man]

I like France nothings wrong with it. The People are nice the Place is nice.