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Remember this thread (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=66935&forum=1)? It seems that I've found another instance of that curious little symbol on the floor:
It's on Flowen's shoulder. Or, rather, it's printed on his left shoulder guard thing. If you have the PSO Art Book look on page 93.
Possible implications for those inclined to conjecture a few? I don't have a clue where to begin, personally. Is it a symbol of the military? Or maybe one of Flowen himself? His family crest or something?
It's also on the PSO playing cards. 9 of Clubs, check it out.
Denny
10-27-2003, 07:01 AM
I was under the impression that Flowen wasn't the test subject that was being disposed of. I think the players are the test subjects. Since Olga Flow can fly around during his first form and needs someone to activate his second firm, it seems that whoever is behind the whole Olga Flow project didn't plan for the hunters to return after facing Olga Flow.
I want to know what the people are talking during those Endless Nightmare hunts. There are characters on the Xbox version that say something about the "Machine stopping". What machine are they talking about? Is it the thing called "Mother" during the Seat of the Heart quest, and wasn't there something called Mother Brain in PS or PSII? Are they trying to recreate Mother Brain?
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Jack > What playing cards?
Denny > That's certainly one way to look at it, but, based on the text in game it's apparent that: "Gamma 119 [Olga Flow] went out of control and was disposed of at the waste station."
I need to play Endless Nightmare #3 again, heh. I don't think they were talking about MOTHER (either from Soul of Steel or from Seat of the Heart), since neither had much to do with the Mine--
And yes, there was a Mother Brain in Phantasy Star II. She was basically an ultra-super-l33t-computer that controlled all the systems in the Algo solar system, where three of the four original Genesis games took place. The similar names... you might think that... that might be the case, but well, there isn't really enough information to make a conclusion like that. There a few frightening similarities... not much else at this point.
Malkavian
10-27-2003, 11:04 AM
On 2003-10-27 08:49, A2K wrote:
Jack > What playing cards?
You know those poker-like cards with PSO images on them. They sell them in Sega Direct and they sent many for free to the people that answered a survey in europe's pso webpage http://www.playsega.com
Denny
10-27-2003, 03:36 PM
On 2003-10-27 08:49, A2K wrote:
Denny > That's certainly one way to look at it, but, based on the text in game it's apparent that: "Gamma 119 [Olga Flow] went out of control and was disposed of at the waste station."
I need to play Endless Nightmare #3 again, heh. I don't think they were talking about MOTHER (either from Soul of Steel or from Seat of the Heart), since neither had much to do with the Mine--
And yes, there was a Mother Brain in Phantasy Star II. She was basically an ultra-super-l33t-computer that controlled all the systems in the Algo solar system, where three of the four original Genesis games took place. The similar names... you might think that... that might be the case, but well, there isn't really enough information to make a conclusion like that. There a few frightening similarities... not much else at this point.
Play Endless Nightmare #4 (The one in the Ruins).
This is the one where one of the NPCs say "The Machine Stopped." Also, instead of going into the teleporter that takes you back to Pioneer 2, go to the door with the rocks blocking it. The screen letterboxes itself, as if a cut scene were about to start, but the message "The machine stopped" shows up again. I'm not sure if this happens in the GC version or not.
SpyroDi
10-27-2003, 04:17 PM
On 2003-10-27 13:36, Denny wrote:
On 2003-10-27 08:49, A2K wrote:
Denny > That's certainly one way to look at it, but, based on the text in game it's apparent that: "Gamma 119 [Olga Flow] went out of control and was disposed of at the waste station."
I need to play Endless Nightmare #3 again, heh. I don't think they were talking about MOTHER (either from Soul of Steel or from Seat of the Heart), since neither had much to do with the Mine--
And yes, there was a Mother Brain in Phantasy Star II. She was basically an ultra-super-l33t-computer that controlled all the systems in the Algo solar system, where three of the four original Genesis games took place. The similar names... you might think that... that might be the case, but well, there isn't really enough information to make a conclusion like that. There a few frightening similarities... not much else at this point.
Play Endless Nightmare #4 (The one in the Ruins).
This is the one where one of the NPCs say "The Machine Stopped." Also, instead of going into the teleporter that takes you back to Pioneer 2, go to the door with the rocks blocking it. The screen letterboxes itself, as if a cut scene were about to start, but the message "The machine stopped" shows up again. I'm not sure if this happens in the GC version or not.
Yes,this is true...there's also that 'Machine stopped...' in EN2 to the right of the warp to P2,and in EN3 in the box room after completing the endless part. In one of those EN quests,I remember the tekker walking around P2 saying 'Machine stopped...' can't remember which EN though,or if it's in all of them.
_Sinue_
10-27-2003, 04:34 PM
My best guess, as of right now, is that the symbol is a personal marking of his. You don't really see it anywhere else in the game.. and as far as I know, the only military group mentioned in any detail was WORKS. WORKS was, as told in Soul of Steel, the best of the best.. and I believe it directly links them to the Mother Project on Gal-Da-Val island. I'd have to look at the script again to be sure.
Now, I'm not sure is Flowen was a member of Works or not.. but I do believe that the RecoBox and Sinow Berril/Zele were armorments of WORKS division. If you look closely, on all three enemies you can see a small green crest with a white Double Sided Axe. I've always taken that to be WORKS's insignia... so until I get more info and check what I've already said.. I'm going to leave it at that.
As far as Mother is concerned.. I think she is simply a nod, an acknowlagement, Sonic Team has made to Mother Brain from PSII.. and perhaps also the lesser known sub-system "DAUGHTER" from PSIV.
Denny
10-29-2003, 04:08 PM
"Daughter"?
_Sinue_
10-30-2003, 01:30 AM
Daughter was a sub-system of Mother Brain built to compensate for the duties of the systemwide AI should Mother Brain ever happen to fail. The project was terminated close to completion.. and she ends up going wacko on you and your party in PS4 in an optional Hunters Guild Quest. Specifically.. she's out to kill Wren and Demi because they are anamolies in her system. Though she wasn't finished, she wasn't completely shut off either.. and the deactiviation of Nervus kicked her into action. She saw that Wren and Demi were tampering with the various orbital weather sattelites and stations and tried to stop them from "Damaging" the system further.
anwserman
10-30-2003, 11:24 AM
I haven't played PS4 in a while... did you actually fight Mother Brain, or a version of, in the quests or was it more like a tech building you ran around in, much like the spacestations look or Nervus' look?
_Sinue_
10-30-2003, 05:23 PM
She's in the third floor basement of Vahal Fort... and no, sadly, you don't fight her. She sics some robots on you, and Wren manually shuts her down after you defeat them.
DOG21313
10-30-2003, 09:20 PM
On 2003-10-27 14:17, SpyroDi wrote:
On 2003-10-27 13:36, Denny wrote:
On 2003-10-27 08:49, A2K wrote:
Denny > That's certainly one way to look at it, but, based on the text in game it's apparent that: "Gamma 119 [Olga Flow] went out of control and was disposed of at the waste station."
I need to play Endless Nightmare #3 again, heh. I don't think they were talking about MOTHER (either from Soul of Steel or from Seat of the Heart), since neither had much to do with the Mine--
And yes, there was a Mother Brain in Phantasy Star II. She was basically an ultra-super-l33t-computer that controlled all the systems in the Algo solar system, where three of the four original Genesis games took place. The similar names... you might think that... that might be the case, but well, there isn't really enough information to make a conclusion like that. There a few frightening similarities... not much else at this point.
Play Endless Nightmare #4 (The one in the Ruins).
This is the one where one of the NPCs say "The Machine Stopped." Also, instead of going into the teleporter that takes you back to Pioneer 2, go to the door with the rocks blocking it. The screen letterboxes itself, as if a cut scene were about to start, but the message "The machine stopped" shows up again. I'm not sure if this happens in the GC version or not.
Yes,this is true...there's also that 'Machine stopped...' in EN2 to the right of the warp to P2,and in EN3 in the box room after completing the endless part. In one of those EN quests,I remember the tekker walking around P2 saying 'Machine stopped...' can't remember which EN though,or if it's in all of them.
Machine... You don't think...!!! There might be someone behind all of this, and they've created a machine that keeps creating enemies... I dunno, what do you all think?
I gotta play em all, I've only done 1 & 4 I think.
Denny
10-31-2003, 05:48 PM
It's obvious someone went to Ragol in order to find that ancient spaceship. Pioneer's government lied about the 3 monuments that were used to seal Dark Falz.
DOG21313
10-31-2003, 05:56 PM
On 2003-10-31 15:48, Denny wrote:
It's obvious someone went to Ragol in order to find that ancient spaceship. Pioneer's government lied about the 3 monuments that were used to seal Dark Falz.
The monuments are the pillars you have to push to gain access to the Ruins.
Denny
10-31-2003, 06:07 PM
On 2003-10-31 15:56, DOG21313 wrote:
On 2003-10-31 15:48, Denny wrote:
It's obvious someone went to Ragol in order to find that ancient spaceship. Pioneer's government lied about the 3 monuments that were used to seal Dark Falz.
The monuments are the pillars you have to push to gain access to the Ruins.
I know. Pioneer's government told Rico that those monuments were built to celebrate Pioneer landing on Ragol or something like that.
SpyroDi
10-31-2003, 06:20 PM
On 2003-10-30 15:23, _Sinue_ wrote:
She's in the third floor basement of Vahal Fort... and no, sadly, you don't fight her. She sics some robots on you, and Wren manually shuts her down after you defeat them.
How anti-climactic http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
Proto_Coyote
10-31-2003, 07:13 PM
Not sure if anyone here has seen the shield, WORKS GUARD (yes I know its hacked on XBOX), but it doesn't look anything like 2 axes crossed over one another.
Which makes me believe that none of the robots in the game were created by Pioneer 2. Infact, I remember reading a few times that the robots you encounter on ragol were worker droids that went amuck after the explosion.
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_Sinue_
10-31-2003, 08:35 PM
Could you point me to an item dump list for both Xbox and NGC PSO Ep I & II. I'm not sure if it's a legitimate item or not.. as it could be just another "Made up" item like the Al Rappy Slots. If it isn't, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Flowen's sheild has no markings on it that tie it to him either.. but it's still his sheild.
As far as the robots running amok.. the Gillchics, Dubchics, Cannadines, ect.. ARE all just labor machines reprogrammed to kill. Sinows, Garanzs, Recoboxes, ect.. they are the military kill bots designed to ward off nosey intruders. The Ep II Sinows, as well as the Recoboxes both have the Double Axe sheild icon.
Not to say that that icon IS definitively WORKS's insignia.. but it would make sence that they are more prevelant in the Seabed and CCA areas than anywhere else. The Mines/Factory facility was operated by normal military personell. The Seabed/CCA areas were Top-Secret, and the only military agency (That I know of) which was heavily invested in Osto's research was WORKS.
And finally, about DAUGHTER... Yeah, I know it's anti-climatic. She's not a part of the main gameplay though. I missed her my first time though, because I neglected the Hunter's Guild missions. She's in one of the later ones... "Silver Soldier", or something like that, I think is it's name. I thought it was nice, even if Anti-Climatic, to include her though. Aside from the villans of PSIII (which were either recently dead, or still causing trouble - depending on the generation you're playing in relation to PS4's storyline) both previous Phantasy Star villans come back for "Final" showdowns. MotherBrain, Lassic, and the original Dark Falz (Seen as Prophallus)
Lassic p0wnz Zio.
Denny
11-02-2003, 05:27 PM
Which makes me believe that none of the robots in the game were created by Pioneer 2. Infact, I remember reading a few times that the robots you encounter on ragol were worker droids that went amuck after the explosion.
I wonder what happened on Ragol in the past....Pioneer 1 couldn't have stumbled across the ancient spaceship by mistake.
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