MY final word on twinking.

[Shimarisu]

Giving your chara items from another chara is not bloody cheating, what a load of balls. By this token, if say my RAcast finds a level 30 megid, I'm supposed to throw it away and NOT give it to one of my FOs? Sonic Teams INTENDED people to trade. Unfortunately most people cheat so that renders trading impossible for true legits, but what in the name of HOLY FUCK is wrong with trading between your own characters?

"Oh my god! I can't trade with myself! What if I am a CHEATER! What if my paranoid schizoid alter is really the biggest freaking duper on the planet?! I better stay clear of my OWN FONEWEARL! She might have a PSYCHO WAND!"

Let's see, shall we.

My FOnewm is Bluefull, oh whee, I should not hand my Whitill HUne HU weaps found on this char. And I'll delete the Heaven's Punisher should it ever drop at his feet. Yep, sure I will.

My RAcast is Redria. I should not pass around the lovely red weaps he can find? They are my favourites.

My FOnewearl is Yellowboze. I searched forever on this char for a frozen shooter for my RA. OMG I R T3H CH3373R.

My HUcast is Purplenum. If I ever find a Psycho wand on this char, yep, I'M GONNA THROW IT AWAY! SURE I AM!

My FOmar is Pinkal. Easy Asuka. I passed this item on immediately on finding it. My other FOs get any tech discs he finds. MY GOD, BUT THAT'S *ILLEGAL*!

My RAmar is Oran. Only he can equip any Aura Fields he finds. I will NOT pass any to other charas, guide's honour. WEALLY AN' TWUTHFULLY.

Listen people. The game is only REALLY worth playing once you are on ult. People who twink to blitz the crappy areas are not cheating. It's still just as much of a challenge once they get there, and they are more USEFUL once on ult.

So tell me. Is every char on the JP ship, who wields yellow charge weaps from the shop (last series, can only be bought at 150+) at under level 80 a dirty bloody cheater? Because practically everyone on the JP ships uses these instead of rares. Mainly because you can equip them earlier and in many cases they are better. I even trade these weaps with people. These are the only weaps I will trade with strangers, anyone can buy em, and they seriously kick arse. I suppose the RAcast I bought a 50/0/50/0/50 charge lazer for yesterday now better chuck himself on the notorious Tokyo "suicide" Chuo line, seeing as he's so non-legit now.
I'll make sure I pay the 200,000,000 yen fine for the cleanup operation as my penance.

- Shimarisu (You know I'm right. By the way, this is one of those cases where I can't categorically state. IT'S JUST A GAME! TAKE THE STICK OUTTA YOUR ARSE OVER THIS!)

[Zaneatron]

hurrah, i was going to say something about this, then i realised i was too lazy. seeing youve done all the legwork for me shimarisu i can now comment.

think of all the people offline. how are they going to acheieve anything actually worth achieving without passing items across characters. if you use only 1 character to prevent this so called cheating why the fuck bother. you cant find everything on one Sec ID. so how would you cope. My main char is yellowboze. to be honest I find fuck all in the sheild dept. and what i do find isnt really much use for HU chars. there are probably a few good things in there, but it doesnt mean im going to find them. so i people limited to offline may need to make other chars to suppliment their chars need for better weapons and sheilds.

Also if you trade with someone who is legit. how does that make you a cheater. just because soemone else found the weapon doesnt make it anyless legit. what was the point of ST putting in a trade option if you arnt going to trade. the point is that youll focus on one char and trade online with others for better weps and sheilds, seeing you cant find everything alone. this is a game about friendship and team work, not to isolate yourself from others so you can please yourself in your own little world of legitness.

[SaberX]

bravo. Im glad the at least a few other people have enough common sense to see that not all people are cheaters and every single thing in the firckin game isnt cheating. All i can say is, it will be a sad day when "extremist legits" start calling people characters formaking a new character. oh wait...i think thats already happened....

[Zaneatron]

On 2003-10-31 08:48, SaberX wrote:

All i can say is, it will be a sad day when "extremist legits" start calling people characters cheaters formaking a new character. oh wait...i think thats already happened....



i made a correction for you http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[SaberX]

lol, thanks. im really tired and in school so im not really giving a care to my grammer right now.

[Aurra]

Shim is right, and even if she were not, I'd rather be a cheater who doesn't have to bother with struggling through normal mode than a legit who does. Done and done.

[SpyroDi]

Shimarisu,you're a good lad. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Caecilius]

Well said Shim, problem is I've been twinking for god knows how long... so those words don't have as much of a meteoric impact on me, but who cares about impact on one guy. Great work.

[Xiu_Hazuki]

Who is the (forgive me for saying this) MORON who began claiming that trading between offline characters is cheating? I mean give me a break...

[Shimarisu]

Plenty of people say it. That is, if you hand a good mag or good item to another, lower level char. I see legits all the time who say "I'm sorta legit, except I do twink new characters." Well, those people are 100% legit, sorry to say it. In fact many legits twink BECAUSE we are legit. I'll make new characters purely for ID, because I don't trade. Should I battle my way through boring offline to get to ult so I can search for the item I made the ID for? Sorry, but my time is worth more than that.

- Shimarisu

[EvilNixon666]

I'd be inclined to agree with your first rant. I use the great stuff I've found on my high level characters for all of my new guys. I've played this game for years, so I know what I want out of it.

Twinking doesn't make the game any less enjoyable for me, and I certainly don't feel bad about doing it. I was never an ass about it online, either, because I equipped stuff that didn't give me a killer edge, but more of a fighting chance.

[Olga-Rappy]

Since when is twinking unlegit? My freakign god, the next thing you know, using broadband will be "unlegit".

My FOnewm could cast level 30 spells, use his current weaponry (which includes two high-power rods and Gal Gryphon's wing), and much more at level 25. That didn't make him "hacked". Had he been given such items, then one could contest his legitimacy.

The fact that he wasn't suited to play BMode or Co-op with anyone who wasn't 10-20 levels higher didn't matter, with them, he fit right into the party, and did not ruin the game. Nor did he use an unlegit mag to reach such a state.

[Zaneatron]

On 2003-10-31 11:33, SpyroDi wrote:
Shimarisu,you're a good lad lass. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


another correction http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Nohra]

... >.> My level 31 FOnewearl does around 455 damage with her level 28 Foie on Hard. X) *enjoys tapping Boomas from across the room*

The other thing is, once you've been to ultimate, all of the other difficulties are kinda... painful to play through. Especially if you have to bring another character through them just so you can get to freakin' ultimate. x.x Nothing wrong with putting Resta 30 and Megid 16 on a low level character... Besides, they'll be burning fluids so fast it's not even funny. X.x

[PABLOparavida]

On 2003-10-31 19:19, Olga-Rappy wrote:
Since when is twinking unlegit? My freakign god, the next thing you know, using broadband will be "unlegit".



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif thats good. And no there is nothing wrong with twinking.

[Mman2000]

No, twinking is not cheating. In fact it helps me enjoy the game more.

I found a Yamato with a high lvl RAmar, and gave it to a lvl 10 HUmar.

Guess what, when that HUmar was strong enough to equip those blue twin swords I felt the same high that I usually feel after killing Dark Falz or Olga Flow. If I hadn't have had the Yamato it would have just been the same as it always is when you reach lvl 48.

[Mystil]

"Oh my god! I can't trade with myself! What if I am a CHEATER! What if my paranoid schizoid alter is really the biggest freaking duper on the planet?! I better stay clear of my OWN FONEWEARL! She might have a PSYCHO WAND!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA~! ROTFL


Oh my GOD!. People were fussing about that on DC too.

[BogusKun]

On 2003-10-31 10:21, Aurra wrote:
Shim is right, and even if she were not, I'd rather be a cheater who doesn't have to bother with struggling through normal mode than a legit who does. Done and done.



Point well taken

[Deus-Irae]

On 2003-10-31 08:53, SaberX wrote:
lol, thanks. im really tired and in school so im not really giving a care to my grammer right now.


lol, how ironic!



-so does anyone disagree with this topic? i dont, im just curious. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Zarana]

You've got to realize, Shim, that the people who do this never actually find these Psycho Wands and Heaven Punishers you talk about. If they did, they would change their tune in one second flat and transfer them. The fact is, these goons only go on their little tirade in the first place because they are jealous punks that never find anything good. When they start to become jealous of their own legit kind and can't use the tired "stop using dupes" excuse, they come up with something way more preposterous and argue* against passing items.

Also, if they're going to be bothered by people using powerful characters in Normal mode, it's really only Karma that's getting them. What goes around comes around, as they say, and these fastidious legits who play their characters to Ultimate online will be causing every bit as much pain as they receive when they start making Ultimate games and don't have any levels open. In fact, in the opinions of an overwhelming majority, slobs who don't open any levels are way more annoying than "twinking."

*-I use the term very, very loosely



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[Mystil]

Oh you made me feel bad with that. >_<. My Silly only have Ep2 unlocked. And I pissed a few off by only having Caves open. I got a good excuse though! It's cause I FELL ASLEEP! >_< Caves is BOORRRRRING when offline. I need people! It's no fair! Me no slobby!

And my fo is even worse. She only has MINES open on HARD MODE. I admit! I ABANDON OFFLINE! WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH.

Nah, I'm just well lazy. I've been meaning to diversify my offline levels. I got a real mad Ep2 high one day, and unlocked the whole thing in the same day. Hmm, I need some Resist/Devils, and I'll clear Caves at some point. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Zarana]

Oh, that wasn't directed at you. As long as you have Episode II and the Caves open you're not as bad as people who never open, or intend to open, anything past Normal. It might be slightly irritating, but since you could (and probably intend to) easily open the last two areas one day, it's not plain-out stupid. You've actually played offline mode into Ultimate, and to me that's all that matters.

[KaFKa]

heh, i twinked my HUcast back in norm. i gave him stuff that would be decent for vhard ruins (60%hit varista, LS, and stag cutlery) and now that im there, the game is getting to the point where everything is challenging anough to keep me occupied.

excuse the above statement, i just felt like saying that. twinknig, as was said many times before me, is the only thing that keeps the experienced players from going insane from having to go thru norm with their new chars.

[-Luke-]

I agree with Shim, it is ridiculous to hate twinking. My lvl 86 HUmar was rubbish. I gave everything he had to my HUcast. I didnt give the HUcast anything else. It took ages to be able to use the stuff, but stil, like Rena-ko's sig, if you didn't find it, you don't deserve to use it. I found those rares, why shouldn't I use em?
Luke

[cenote]

i agree how can it be cheating to give a item u found legitly to another char you have it is just like trading online with out dupes and u losing somthing if you want it back play multi and get it twecking is not a cheat. (I could go on but i'd repeat myself)

[NeonShadow]

Who the hell "invented" the idea that twinking or what ever the the word was is cheating? Come on! That's like one of the most important things to attain the so called ultimate power

[Ness]

I agree. Twinking is perfectly legit and I don't know why people would be against it.

[Nai_Calus]

Because not everyone has uber rares, or for that matter, even decent rares for the class they're playing. You try keeping up with a FOmarl slinging L20+ techs around and a HUnewearl with a Red Sword, presumably 'legit', otherwise why not L30 and a Tsumikiri, with a L35 RAmarl who just wants some levels so she can get through VHard easier, with a Frozen Shooter, a Charge Vulcen, and a 40% Demon's Arms. You really... Can't. Everything dies before you can get off shots with the Arms, and the Shooter and Vulcan only hit one thing. I suppose that's what I get for trying to play outside of Ult. >P

I'm all for twinking, but when legits are ruining your game experience far more than any idiot n00b HUcast with a BKB... Yeah, tone it the hell down? When I -need- a duped Spread Needle to be able to hit everything fast enough to get exp, you're as bad as the idiot next to me with a Psycho Wand slinging L30 Grants at everything on Hard mode. And don't talk about techs, I had L3 Rafoie at the time, and what if ERI was a RAcaseal? Traps don't go off that fast.

And a duped Red Ring on Ult that isn't going to be depriving anyone of their experience is somehow worse... *snork*

Yeah. Anyways. Twink all you like offline, but online, have some damn consideration. You no likey dupes, tell me, I no usey dupes, but if I asked you to twink less, you'd probably tell me to piss off. >_>;;;

[bordering]

i agree, twinking with legit items is legit.

BUT if, for example, you go into a normal game online with a FOnewm that's eaten 100 some mind mats, 4 g/minds, has a 185 mind mag, level 25-30 techs, a -legit- pwand and you're just nuking everything to death in one rafoie or so, well that's RUDE irregardless of the origin of his weps/items. just because twinking with legit items/mats/mags is a technically legit act, doesn't make it "right" in all circumstances.

persoanlly, i always twink a new char as hard as i can, since i find normal - vhard to be quite boring. but i take care to not steal exp if i play online in the lower difficulties with a twink. for example, -if- i had a FOnewm such as the one described above, i would limit myself to j/z, s/d, resta, anti until my techs no longer killed in one hit.

but i usually don't even play online with a char until they're in ult, since 1-80 goes by VERY quickly offline since i almost always can hit offline ult at or before level 40.

god, Zarana, you continually confound me. why would a legit player be less likely to have all areas offline unlocked than another player? ALL of my chars that are in ult have EVERY ult area unlocked (f-seabed). everyone i play with who has chars that are capable of doing so also does.

although i do see these debates pop up sometimes on the various pso boards, i don't think i've ever met a "legit" who was anti-twinking. although some of my freinds have made new chars from "scratch" just because they find it fun, it's not a dogmatic thing.

[-Luke-]

Yeah, what Ian said is also true, it is annoying when someone rapes the area you are trying to train in, but I am offline, and like what Shim said, I only twinked to blitz the lower levels, so I get to Ult.
Luke