Why cant we all get along!?

[EmperorAnt]

I understand a lot of different views on the whole "cheating" and "not cheating". Things were made crystal clear in my last topic. But now I want to know the most imporatant question of all....WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!? I know there will be assholes on both sides and I know we can't stop that...but it would be so awesome when playing PSO to stop seeing "cheaters" and "non-cheaters" at each others throats! I'm down with "cheating" and "not cheating". I have many friends who are both! It pisses me off when huge fights break out in the lobbies over something so trivial as "cheating"/"not cheating". If a "cheater" messes up someones elses game by FSOD or coruption...then be pissed! Some hacker tried to FSOD me one time but I knew what he was doing so it didn't work. That pissed me off! But I went and started my own game and had plenty of fun after that! I didn't let that experience ruin my game! I have two of each item in my bank....one dupped and one legit. I have more dupped than legit because it's hard to find the legit ones but I'm down with both sides! All I ask is that ppl just show a lil more respect toward each other. That's all! If you don't like what I have to say then that's your opinion and I won't bad-mouth you for it! L8RS!

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[KaFKa]

all i have to say is that you are one of the very few that think this... which is a bad thing.

[Mystil]

SO LONG as legits do NOT belittle me in a game, I will NEVER belittle them for how they play. That's the main problem, which seems to not wont to stop. And vise versa too. Hell, I never use my TJ Sword/BKB around legits. Hey show some respect too. =/

[Zarana]

I get along with dupers and legits alike. The kind of company I'll discriminate against are people who aren't good at the game.

If a Force doesn't Shifta, Deband and do general support, they're off my team. Duper or legit.

If someone uses too many of my Moon Atomizers on foolish deaths, they're off my team. Dying more than three times in an area (if you're sufficiently leveled) is unacceptable, no matter what your stance on legitimacy is.

Human/Newman characters who don't use Anti will be politely asked to, and if they decline, never played with again.

Androids who don't use their traps will also be politely asked, same end result.

People who don't know of damage negate and run around abusing it will be informed about it. Continued abuse will result in my never inviting them to join me again.

Tagging with Rafoie is unacceptable too, unless you're a RAmar. HUmar, HUnewearl and RAmarl should tag with Jellen and Zalure, lest they be cast out of my team.

I could think of a ton more commandments to put up here, but you get the point. Dupers and legits are all the same to me as long as they know how to play the game adequately.

[Mystil]

People who don't know of damage negate and run around abusing it will be informed about it. Continued abuse will result in my never inviting them to join me again.

Uhm, I don't understand what you mean by this.

[Zarana]

Damage negate is a really annoying glitch that stops two hits from registering at once. When two characters hit an enemy at the same time (or close to the same time, depending on lag), one hit will cancel out the other. So a Force using Rafoie on a Tollaw or something, getting zero damage, could negate/nullify a powerful hit from a Hunter or a Ranger. This causes problems, keeps the enemies alive longer and really annoys me.

Hunters and Rangers don't have as much to worry about from damage negate as Forces do, though, but they should still watch out.

[rena-ko]

true that, i agree.

i dont think you can really say that legits hate dupers and the other way around. the problem is actually the childish idea that the own opinion is the only right and the own way is the only golden which causes all the trouble.

and this problem is as commonly found among dupers as among legits and you cant stereotype this. really, the point is to live (your way) and let others live (their way) as well. as long as they're not disturbing you in any direct way (and i dont mean 'a duper disturbing an uberlegit with his her its pure presence').

and as zarana wrote, the mainissue in PSO is teamwork. still having to learn is fine, but ignoring basic social and game-rules is definitely not tollerable.

[Mystil]

On 2003-11-15 10:41, Zarana wrote:
Damage negate is a really annoying glitch that stops two hits from registering at once. When two characters hit an enemy at the same time (or close to the same time, depending on lag), one hit will cancel out the other. So a Force using Rafoie on a Tollaw or something, getting zero damage, could negate/nullify a powerful hit from a Hunter or a Ranger. This causes problems, keeps the enemies alive longer and really annoys me.

Hunters and Rangers don't have as much to worry about from damage negate as Forces do, though, but they should still watch out.



Oh that!. That is SO hard to avoid with Gillchics(I never use rafoie). EVerytime they fall down, they become invincible and spells like GIFOIE go 0 0 0 0 0. Ugh!, I hate that.

Err, with my Hune, I use Gizonde to tag. Using JZ requires me to get really close, and by that time, the enemies are already dead.

[EmperorAnt]

You what amazes me!? This topic has gotton more positive things said in it than most others hav! I totally agree with all of you! That would be so awesome to play with Silhouette and Zarana! You guys/girls know how to have fun but enjoy the more serious aspects of the game like teamwork and sharing exp! Thnx for your great topics and I hope to see you on sometime! L8RS!



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[_Ted_]

On 2003-11-15 09:33, Zarana wrote:
Tagging with Rafoie is unacceptable too, unless you're a RAmar. HUmar, HUnewearl and RAmarl should tag with Jellen and Zalure, lest they be cast out of my team.



Uhhhhh.... whats tagging?

[VioletSkye]

On 2003-11-16 21:57, _Ted_ wrote:

On 2003-11-15 09:33, Zarana wrote:
Tagging with Rafoie is unacceptable too, unless you're a RAmar. HUmar, HUnewearl and RAmarl should tag with Jellen and Zalure, lest they be cast out of my team.



Uhhhhh.... whats tagging?


Tagging is making sure you get a "hit" on an enemy/enemies so that when someone kills it you still get exp. Jellen and Zalure is perfect for that because it will hit all nearby enemies and it helps the rest of your team out.



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[teenageriot13]

On 2003-11-16 22:20, VioletSkye wrote:

On 2003-11-16 21:57, _Ted_ wrote:

On 2003-11-15 09:33, Zarana wrote:
Tagging with Rafoie is unacceptable too, unless you're a RAmar. HUmar, HUnewearl and RAmarl should tag with Jellen and Zalure, lest they be cast out of my team.



Uhhhhh.... whats tagging?


Tagging is making sure you get a "hit" on an enemy/enemies so that when someone kills it you still get exp. Jellen and Zalure is perfect for that because it will hit all nearby enemies and it helps the rest of your team out.



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LOL, I remember this force doing 0 zero damage to everything. But he kept on doing it, over and over... But hey that was his prerogative. I think another dishonest thing is exp stealing online. Help us kill things. I'm not trying to flame, just stating the obvious.

[El_Patron8]

EmperorAnt, I'm 100% with you! can't we just all get along?!?!

[Blade-Master]

get along with dupers and legits alike. The kind of company I'll discriminate against are people who aren't good at the game.

If a Force doesn't Shifta, Deband and do general support, they're off my team. Duper or legit.

If someone uses too many of my Moon Atomizers on foolish deaths, they're off my team. Dying more than three times in an area (if you're sufficiently leveled) is unacceptable, no matter what your stance on legitimacy is.

Human/Newman characters who don't use Anti will be politely asked to, and if they decline, never played with again.

Androids who don't use their traps will also be politely asked, same end result.

People who don't know of damage negate and run around abusing it will be informed about it. Continued abuse will result in my never inviting them to join me again.

Tagging with Rafoie is unacceptable too, unless you're a RAmar. HUmar, HUnewearl and RAmarl should tag with Jellen and Zalure, lest they be cast out of my team.

I could think of a ton more commandments to put up here, but you get the point. Dupers and legits are all the same to me as long as they know how to play the game adequately.
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i think thats like ok u mess up ur an ass hole or like *talks in annoyed mimicking foice*..."this is unacceptable, this is not allowed."

[-Luke-]

Yeah, of course it would be great if we all did get along. But sorry, it aint gonna happen. There's always gonna be some guy who gets his kicks from joining a game and spamming LOLLOLOLOL. There's always gonna be someone über legit, who hates you and wants you dead cos you backup your items and pass items out to your other characters. The problem is stereotyping. Because many dupers make the TJs and BKBs and hand em out, these are the people that kill everything in a room, and no one gets a hit in. So, people think everyone who dupes is the same. Are they gonna be bothered to find cool dupers who are nice? Hell no. If someone who dupes harmlessly, only for themselves, is playing, and some über legit comes in and starts spamming hate at the duper, the duper is gonna get pissed and want to fuck around with über legits. True, not everyone is like this, but it is common.
I don't want to be the cynic, but it's true. It would be great, but it won't happen. Play with your friends.
Luke

[burnningthings3]

I just have to say that most legits play with dupers and never the less i don't ask people to leave because they have a 1300lv mag or using a black king bar at level 5 or something. I don't care but if i would i would ask them no to use a hacked mag or any wepon thats been duped. I go online and try to trade and theres some one who comes and says can some one make a copy of this item, i don't mind, but if they start to drop like 20 of them or if some idiot comes up and takes them i would just say good bye and leave. I realy don't mind about the dupers. Some poeple only copy there items if the get Fsod I think thats fine. I realy could care less whos legit or hows a duper and i don't ask if you are or not. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_innocent.gif I think if any one asks for some one to leave then i would end up leaving with that person. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_innocent.gif

[EmperorAnt]

I agree with all of you. Especially Burningthings3. I have seen items go to waste with mass duping. I dupe for backup purposes and it's a good thing too! I got corrupted at lvl 138. I had 458hours and 58 minutes...a lot of which was chat time http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif but the point is people get carried away with the whole dupe trick. If you are gonna dupe items for people, I say do it for people you know and trust or if someone asks you if you can make a backup of their item. That's only when I dupe online. Other than that I play the damn game! I have ten pages of Guild cards and I must say that about 1/4 of them are legit. I still have enough decentcy to show my teamates kindness and good sportsmanship. In fact, I have been known to be quite funny and nice which goes aganist my natural nature http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif O yea! I'm a known nice guy! Who can ask for a better friend!?

[Broken_Sword]

gosh DAMMIT HE's right!!!!

[heyf00L]

I'm a HUnewearl and I tag with RAbarta (or RAfoie occasionaly) only when there is a force that is J/Zing. Is this acceptable to you celisse (I must know, it is important to me)?

I can sometimes handle a cheater that is good and knowledgable about the game, but a sucky cheater has got to go. I'm just like "Don't you realize that running into a group of 4 Ob Lilies will result in death!" I mean you'd think learning how to kill lilies would be one of the first techniques you'd want to learn, but not so. I can only imagine how bad the people are in Tower or Seabed.


Anyway the real problem is cheaters insult me. They insult the fact that I work for everything I've achieved in this game. They just get everything free and everything they get is better than my stuff. How am I supposed to be OK with that?

[Zarana]

i think thats like ok u mess up ur an ass hole or like *talks in annoyed mimicking foice*..."this is unacceptable, this is not allowed."



This may come as a surprise to you, but *gasp, dramatic pause* I don't have to play with people who don't know what they're doing. Oh my goodness, what a shocker! I bet that totally blindsided you, didn't it? Yeesh.

Anyway, if I hit a little close to home and you feel the need to retaliate, think it over for a bit. Does it really matter if I think you're a terrible player? I'm positive you're never going to play with me, so go ahead and keep wasting those Moon Atomizers if you like. People besides me may be a bit more tolerant of the expense.


Oh, and to f00l: Rabarta is okay if there's a Force. At least there's a chance you'll freeze and help the team out. But Rafoie... I can't see any positive aspects of using this spell. If you've absolutely got to, I'd suggest being quick and using it before anyone else gets to the enemies. That way, at least you won't be damage negating. But you did say it yourself, it's usually Rabarta. And that's okay if not used to excess.

[heyf00L]

I actually get a little sad when a force joins the team because I know I won't be able to tag as effectively. Hahah. But the cool thing is, when a force is on the team I can replace a J/Z button with my special attack and use my Twin Blaze to tag. It's actually better than using RAbarta because I don't have to pause from attacking to tag; I can just cast gifoie while attacking an enemy. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif Mostly it's Rabarta tho because a frozen enemy is a nice enemy.

I love that little weapon, it's so cool.

[Zarana]

Heheh, I just don't play with Forces at all for the most part. I don't like being babysat or having my enemies turned to jelly, I don't like having to compromise the way I play (or tag, as you've pointed out), and I especially don't like how the Force tends to become obsolete and dead weight after a PB combo.

It helps that none of the friends I actually play with have Forces, though. ^.^;;

[Aurra]

Well, Kes has like 10 of them, but the last time I actually saw him use one of them was in Cmode.

[rulicia]

It would be great if people got along with each other,but that may never happen. I don't mind playing with a legit or a duper. One of my best freind is a legit,and she enjoys playing in a room with me because I always helping her out of when she gets trap. Most of the time I use my legit valcuns. I think a**holes are a big problem,mostly when one comes into a room and starts to be a idoit. Fo who don't use s/d/j/z is worthless. Aurra,did u see event horizon? That looks like its from that movie.

[Riu_000]

On 2003-12-08 14:20, Aurra wrote:
Well, Kes has like 10 of them, but the last time I actually saw him use one of them was in Cmode.



Hey, I have one!(Ada)
Unless of course you only meant pure tech casters.
Eew..http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Aurra]

On 2003-12-08 14:37, rulicia wrote:
Aurra,did u see event horizon? That looks like its from that movie.


Haha, yep. It was on some channel the other day and I was watching and said to myself "hey, I should make a Doctor Grant sig!" since you know, Doctor Grant is awesome. The only thing that could've made Event Horizon even better would have been for Doctor Grant to wear his trademark hat. And for them to fix all those plot holes and acting issues and whatnot. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



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[Obscenity]

New people, same old arguments. I laugh.


PS: Hi Aurra and Zarana. LTNS.


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[Aurra]

Hey hey Obscenity, long time no see indeed. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Ness]

It really would be nice if we could all just get along, but given some of the people here, that's not going to happen.

[ADE]

It takes everyone to get along. You cannot shoulder the entire blame on one person. You have to look at what you do, and realize why it makes others angry, and assess if what you're doing is still logical.

[heyf00L]

Heheh, I just don't play with Forces at all for the most part. I don't like being babysat or having my enemies turned to jelly, I don't like having to compromise the way I play (or tag, as you've pointed out), and I especially don't like how the Force tends to become obsolete and dead weight after a PB combo. The only time I really care if a force is on the team is in Seabed. A lot of the enemies there (Morfos, grrr), once they target you, seem to attack at just the right speed so that you get up and resta they just hit you again. If a force is there to Resta you, you can use that split second of invulnerability to do something useful instead of just making sure you don't die.

Also it's really anoying for me to try to J/Z the enemies that aren't always targetable. Especially when I am holding a PB since my J/Z is on the R shortcuts and I have to use the tech menu. Most of the time I like J/Zing the enemies, but in Seabed I just prefer someone else do it.

But that's just when I'm my HUney. I always enjoy forces when I'm playing as an Android.