Stupid High on Cocaine Fatass

[NKOTB]

I'm so sick of hearing people feel sorry for this stupid, drugged up, 400 pound fatass who died because of cardiac arrest because he wanted to fight 6 police officers.
He was high on cocaine, PCP, and embalming fluid. The mother f'er proceeded to throw punches at police when they arrived to ask WTF his problem and why he was dancing around White Castle falling on his face.
Seriously, how could someone blame the police for this? I think the police were pretty damn patient with him personally. If I was a police officer and saw a coked up 400 pound guy throw haymakers at my partner i would have shot first and asked questions later.
In case someone does not know what i am talking about here is a story.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-12-03-cincinnati-man_x.htm

edit: new news story that doesn't ask for personal info



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[polishedweasel]

I usually don't feel sorry for anyone....and I will continue to stand to my beleif.

[Monomate]

why is the world so full of stupid fucks...i mean come on...the guy had it coming...

350 pounds...enlarged heart...he was gonna die of heart failure sooner or later...cocaine...well...that can cause cardiac arrest on its own...PCP can too...methanol...hmmm...sounds like the guy was already preparing for the grave...i mean seriously...the cops shoulda just stood by and done nothing and he woulda croaked sooner or later...i mean...what the fuck...

[KaFKa]

shoulda just blew his fucking brains out and be done with it

[_Ted_]

On 2003-12-03 14:16, polishedweasel wrote:
I usually don't feel sorry for anyone....and I will continue to stand to my beleif.



Not exactly captain sympathy eh? (not like the coke guy deserves any)

The guy desereved it, anybody that does something like that deserves to be removed from the gene pool.

[ABDUR101]

I only saw some of the footage on the news and did'nt really care. Read the article, but afew things.

If you're a medic with an ambulance and the person you're trying to help can't be restrained and is doing odd stuff, yeah, you call for police assistance if you can't subdue them.(You don't want to let someone walking around if they're, to put it plainly, "fucked up")

Now, regularly, police officers accept NO use of force against them, period. But, if he swung at them, what the fuck, the guy was on drugs and thus, thats why they were summoned to help subdue him, thats why the ambulance medics called the police, because he was acting extremely weird.

When did it go from trying to help subdue and assist a person in need, to whacking him 40 fucking times between six police officers?

If there were SIX of them there, you don't need to hurt the poor damn guy, ever hear of a DOG PILE?! The last time I was at a family get together and the drunk guy started getting physical, a fist fight wasn't required, afew people jumped and subdued him.

Sure, the guy was 350lbs, but six police officers, if properly trained, should have no problem subdueing someone of that size.

No doubt the drugs had a large part in the heart attack, but christ, the beating was entirely unnecessary.

[Eihwaz]

On 2003-12-03 22:33, ABDUR101 wrote:
I only saw some of the footage on the news and did'nt really care. Read the article, but afew things.

If you're a medic with an ambulance and the person you're trying to help can't be restrained and is doing odd stuff, yeah, you call for police assistance if you can't subdue them.(You don't want to let someone walking around if they're, to put it plainly, "fucked up")

Now, regularly, police officers accept NO use of force against them, period. But, if he swung at them, what the fuck, the guy was on drugs and thus, thats why they were summoned to help subdue him, thats why the ambulance medics called the police, because he was acting extremely weird.

When did it go from trying to help subdue and assist a person in need, to whacking him 40 fucking times between six police officers?

If there were SIX of them there, you don't need to hurt the poor damn guy, ever hear of a DOG PILE?! The last time I was at a family get together and the drunk guy started getting physical, a fist fight wasn't required, afew people jumped and subdued him.

Sure, the guy was 350lbs, but six police officers, if properly trained, should have no problem subdueing someone of that size.

No doubt the drugs had a large part in the heart attack, but christ, the beating was entirely unnecessary.


I agree. I don't feel sorry for the guy, and the combination of drugs, obesity, enlarged heart and the beating all contributed to his death.

But even if they hadn't beaten him badly, he was going to die anyway. I mean, he probably didn't have much time left anyway...

This may sound cold, but, really. It's not a loss...one less drug-addict...

Meh. I do feel sorry for his family, kinda.



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[Kasumi19]

I rarely feel sorry for any drug addicts regardless of the situation. In most cases the drug addict makes the choice whether to try a drug or not and if they choose to take drugs then it is their own stupid problem. There is enough propaganda out there to tell these idiots that drugs are addictive. It is hard for me to empathize with a person that has created their own problems.

In the words of Ebenezer Scrooge from Charles Dickens A Christmas Carol

"Then let him die and decrease the surplus population"

I thought I would get with the season on that one.

I personally have never had even the slightest desire to try any illegal drugs or many legal ones for that matter.

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[NKOTB]

Abdur, you know that cocaine and PCP can give unreal amounts of strength. They actually might not been able to stop him. And they weren't hitting him in his body, only his legs trying to keep him down. The coroner said there was not a bruise on his torso or head.
Honestly, I think the police would have been better off shooting the guy. Shooting a guy once who is trying to kill cops doesn't look nearly as bad as whacking him 40+ times with clubs.

[ABDUR101]

On 2003-12-03 23:04, NKOTB wrote:
Abdur, you know that cocaine and PCP can give unreal amounts of strength. They actually might not been able to stop him.

And they weren't hitting him in his body, only his legs trying to keep him down. The coroner said there was not a bruise on his torso or head.

And yet still no one thought to use mace, and the afore mentioned "dog pile"? I don't care how much cocaine you've used, your ass isn't going to merely throw six police officers off you if you're on the ground. Beating him wasn't exactly helping an enraged person calm down, right?

The article you linked to did'nt specify about the no bruises on head or torso, and I only had a glance of it when it was on tv.


Honestly, I think the police would have been better off shooting the guy. Shooting a guy once who is trying to kill cops doesn't look nearly as bad as whacking him 40+ times with clubs.

Sure, they could have shot him in the leg once to keep him down, in the most extreme of cases and if you knew you weren't going to hit anything vital.(And if you had used physical force and the other tools of the trade....like mace) Yeah, woulda been better than beating him forty times, but OH WELL, no one thought of that.

[Eum]

He seemed to be in a very poor condition. I feel a great deal of sympathy for him.

Putting aside the methods used to 'subdue' the man [which in my opinion, were completely unjust], I am left thinking about why in fact he was using drugs to begin with. The people replying to this topic are making things so incredibly black and white. We're given so little in the way of information related to the situation he was in. I just wish I knew more.

Regardless of everything, I really hope his family [if he has much of one] is doing well. My stomach dropped when I read his grandmother's comment. So nonchalant. Things get carried away, and people immediately point to how extreme the results of that can be. Cold.

It never ceases to amaze me how such horrible circumstances can excite or amuse someone. Warped perspectives.

[Reenee]

If the beating was unnecessary, then how come he could get up? The angel dust he...well, however you use it, made him impervious to pain.

[Kasumi19]

On 2003-12-04 03:16, Eum wrote:

Regardless of everything, I really hope his family [if he has much of one] is doing well. My stomach dropped when I read his grandmother's comment. So nonchalant. Things get carried away, and people immediately point to how extreme the results of that can be. Cold.


I agree with this one, I hope his family is doing well too. I have a cousin who is a drug addict and she has gone from one relative to another using them, charging up huge phone bills and stealing their belongings. In September I was paying our 92 year grandmother's phone bill and discovered she made over a $100.00 in long distance calls and my grandmother is on a fixed income.

She recently decided to get into a rehabilitation because no one would help her anymore. Drugs usually alienate people from their families because the high becomes the most important thing in the addict's life. At one point I actually felt sorry for hmy cousin, but my sympathy ended when she refused to get help for her addiction and lied to the family about having a problem. This person may have done a similiar thing to his family. It gets old after a while and makes a family care less and less about the person when they make no effort to fix their life.

[Mystil]

Rule of thumb Abdur ~ Don't never use mace on a crack addict. Understand it doesn't just make them very strong, it makes them highly immune to almost anything else. Mace would just piss them off more. Kicking them in the balls, is ineffectual as well.



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[ABDUR101]

On 2003-12-04 10:48, Silhouette wrote:
Rule of thumb Abdur ~ Don't never use mace on a crack addict. Understand it doesn't just make them very strong, it makes them highly immune to almost anything else. Mace would just piss them off more. Kicking them in the balls, is ineffectual as well.


Wow, would'nt have had any effect eh?

...well, I guess that reinforces my question of why in the hell did they beat him forty times if it would'nt have any effect?

It's not making much sense. Unless I'm not privy to the needed use of force in detaining someone high on crack between six police officers?

[KaFKa]

as said from my cop buddy (i call him that since he seems to be the one that always pulls me over >.<)

the correst way to take someone like that down is to either:

a) break his knees and dogpile on him

b) get the fire department to use their hoses on him

c) 2 in the chest, 1 in the head

yes, i got pulled over today and had the chance to ask him.

[Ness]

I don't feel any sympathy for that guy either. I think he had it coming and it would have happened sooner or later anyway. It being the heart attack, not the fight.



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[Eum]

So if a person has a heart attack 'coming' one shouldn't feel sympathy.

This is where I roll my eyes and pretend certain people honestly have a valid opinion.

[Wewt]

Maybe the cops thought they could wear him down. Doubtful, but it's a possibility.

[Ness]

On 2003-12-04 13:40, Eum wrote:
So if a person has a heart attack 'coming' one shouldn't feel sympathy.

This is where I roll my eyes and pretend certain people honestly have a valid opinion.


Actually, I said he had it coming because he was on all those drugs, overweight and trying to fight. He was setting himself up for it by doing things that he shouldn't have been doing in the first place. Namely, drugs and firghting the police. When people have heart attacks for no reason, then that is a sad thing.

[Eum]

Where did you say that?

Do you ever think before you type?

[Ness]

On 2003-12-04 14:31, Eum wrote:
Where did you say that?

Do you ever think before you type?


You right, I didn't say it initally so I cleared it up for you.